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[00:00:03] an informed choice.
[00:00:19] If you're on the outside of Quebec looking in,
[00:00:21] last night's provincial election result might seem
[00:00:25] surprising. CBC is projecting A Patsy Quebecois government.
[00:00:30] This is a dramatic turn around for the party and a political
[00:00:34] resurrection, but maybe also worrying if you
[00:00:38] see Quebec as inseparably Canadian. Model said he will
[00:00:42] hold a referendum on Quebec's independence. He is quite
[00:00:46] assertive, very dedicated to
[00:00:48] the sovereigntist movement and the idea of a referendum
[00:00:52] and the courageous battle of francophones to protect their
[00:00:56] language and culture will succeed when they have their
[00:01:00] own country. Because if you look at any opinion poll from
[00:01:04] the last 1015 years, you would have been led to
[00:01:07] believe Quebeckers do not want independence. This is a
[00:01:11] compilation of legit polls on La Prueba, La Souffrance,
[00:01:15] Echec support for Quebec sovereignty. It's almost never
[00:01:18] been more clear than it is now that far more Quebecers would
[00:01:22] vote, you know, on a referendum to quit Canada
[00:01:26] than would vote yes. And yet they just elected a political
[00:01:30] party, the Pepsi Quebecois, as a minority government, yes,
[00:01:34] but still whose core identity is wrapped around this notion
[00:01:38] of Quebec becoming its own country. How did that happen?
[00:01:41] How did a separatist party when a government mandate if most
[00:01:46] Quebecers don't want to separate?
[00:01:53] If you're trying to understand how the PQ goes from zero to
[00:01:57] hero in just one election cycle, it helps to understand the
[00:02:01] catastrophic crash out of the party they're replacing.
[00:02:05] Historically, Quebec has been a 2 horse race,
[00:02:08] the separatist Pepsi Quebecois against the Federalist Liberals.
[00:02:12] But 2018 was the year the Coalition Avenir Quebec came up
[00:02:17] the middle. CBC is projecting it will be a CAQ
[00:02:20] majority government. This was fresh eyed Francois Lugo after
[00:02:24] having spent years as the leader of a third place party.
[00:02:28] But his winning recipe was in finding this third way where
[00:02:32] you could both accept and reject both federalism and
[00:02:36] separatism, staying in Canada while
[00:02:39] demanding more as a province. This was Quebec nationalism for
[00:02:43] Francois logo and his government. He tried to bring a
[00:02:47] new approach, not necessarily looking on separating from
[00:02:51] Canada, not necessarily staying within
[00:02:54] Canada, but trying to get as much power
[00:02:56] with autonomy to get as much power from the federal
[00:03:00] government. So 2018 they win power and four years after that,
[00:03:04] when they're up for reelection, their campaign slogan becomes
[00:03:08] continual, let's continue, let's keep going. And they
[00:03:11] crush it even harder. They managed to win 90 of 125 total
[00:03:15] seats, which is way bigger a majority
[00:03:18] than any government ever needs. Total blowout. Then it
[00:03:21] all goes downhill. It went from failure to failure in El care,
[00:03:26] in education and infrastructure. Anytime they wanted to launch a
[00:03:31] new initiative, it failed on its face. So the
[00:03:34] second mandate was really abysmal. There was never just
[00:03:38] one reason why everything went so wrong for the CAQ,
[00:03:42] but one of the biggest and earliest was this broken
[00:03:46] promise of 1/3 link, this multibillion dollar tunnel
[00:03:50] connecting Quebec City to Levy
[00:03:52] crossing the Saint Lawrence. The CQ very abruptly abandoned
[00:03:56] the part of it that would have allowed cars to drive it,
[00:03:59] opting instead to make this tunnel for public transit only.
[00:04:03] So much for solving the traffic problem. And this broken
[00:04:07] promise was almost like a death in the family,
[00:04:11] the sweet component of deception.
[00:04:16] Kali. Yeah,
[00:04:19] just sweet
[00:04:22] choice. It haunted the party for years and even today it is
[00:04:26] debated. It's been changed. It's still very much in a
[00:04:30] planning phase. It's not great. Like I said,
[00:04:33] this is but one thing and there are others. Like in the run up
[00:04:38] to advanced voting, this CAQ claim of election
[00:04:41] interference by some meddling Americans. But that turned out
[00:04:46] to be way overblown. It backfired,
[00:04:48] looked like a party in panic mode, trying to cry.
[00:04:52] Both stoke a fire. It reeked of desperation. The last straw
[00:04:57] that the on the camel's back was his idea of interference on
[00:05:02] the part of the US and the Quebec election. And it's
[00:05:07] something that the party had initiated,
[00:05:10] invented to create a
[00:05:12] situation of other crisis of or anxiety. One survey published
[00:05:16] just two days before election night would suggest 77% of
[00:05:19] Quebeckers Suet Arshan jammed the government. They hope for a
[00:05:23] change of government and for a new party to lead Quebec.
[00:05:27] That's the key issue was an election about change but
[00:05:30] showing a dissatisfaction towards the incumbent,
[00:05:34] telling to the incumbent, OK, maybe you want to do something
[00:05:38] to to change the situation, but we don't see the result. We
[00:05:41] don't see
[00:05:43] the outcome. And so you had the CAQ in government imploding.
[00:05:46] The Liberals couldn't really capitalize. They had their own
[00:05:51] leadership struggle only months before the election,
[00:05:55] leaderless again. And while the CAQ was hemorrhaging support,
[00:05:59] it was all four other political parties scrambling for seats.
[00:06:04] They all saw massive gains come election night,
[00:06:07] with the CAQ losing every single one of its seats,
[00:06:11] but one political party
[00:06:13] would manage to pick up most of those pieces.
[00:06:21] I'll admit it's a bit funny to explain to you how one party
[00:06:25] won by telling you, well, it's because the other party
[00:06:29] lost. I get it. So while the whole change election thing is
[00:06:33] real, it is extremely hard for any
[00:06:36] political party in Canada to just waltz into a third mandate
[00:06:40] after eight years in power. Much credit is owed for the
[00:06:44] PQ's win to its leader, nicknamed PSP.
[00:06:48] Lamont, always seen as a young leader
[00:06:50] kind of dynamic, I would say. Also an
[00:06:52] intellectual. He likes the role of being a dander dog,
[00:06:56] and so he doesn't attract the spotlight on him,
[00:06:59] but he is kind of comfortable in that position. It's hard to
[00:07:02] overstate how strategically Paul St. Pierre Plamondon
[00:07:06] seemed to hit the right notes at just the right time,
[00:07:09] while Quebeckers were questioning not just how tired
[00:07:12] they were of the CAQ, but whether they could even
[00:07:16] trust them. Plamondon's campaign slogan
[00:07:18] would be as unsubtle as possible. Lashua de la
[00:07:21] confiance, the choice of trust. He also
[00:07:24] positioned himself as a fighter at a time when maybe Canadians
[00:07:28] broadly including Quebeckers, might feel like they'd want one
[00:07:32] in a leader. And there were absolutely battles Ramondo and
[00:07:36] the PQ felt were worth fighting. The party wanted to extend
[00:07:40] secularism rules and the fight over religious symbols to
[00:07:44] younger children. Lamont would explicitly connect overcrowding
[00:07:48] at schools
[00:07:49] and in the housing market to immigration. Too much,
[00:07:52] too broken a system. And surveys would continue to show
[00:07:56] that Quebeckers did and do feel threatened in several ways. The
[00:08:00] feeling that the French language is threatened is at an
[00:08:04] all time high, 76%, and the perception that English
[00:08:07] Canadians consider francophones as inferior also high 69%. They
[00:08:12] apply more, don't probably wanted to either
[00:08:15] create a class, create some frustration. They
[00:08:18] wanted to spark something.
[00:08:19] The strategy we spoke about how to alienate, frustrate,
[00:08:24] provoke as so that he could use that to buffer his claims. You
[00:08:29] create a dynamic, it's US versus them. So it's
[00:08:32] not surprising that a key part of the PQ's messaging would be
[00:08:36] around taking on Canada itself. One of Plamondon's early
[00:08:40] campaign pledges was to scrap the provinces minister
[00:08:44] responsible for relations with the rest of Canada,
[00:08:47] replacing it with a minister of independence. Which brings us
[00:08:52] to the elephant in the room. How do you persuade
[00:08:55] a province full of people who don't want separation to vote
[00:08:59] for your separatist party? Well, ironically,
[00:09:02] you separate those two things from each other.
[00:09:07] Wait for U.S. President Donald Trump to leave the White House
[00:09:11] and so his party won't hold a referendum before January 20th,
[00:09:15] 2029. To Plamondon's credit, he has always been very direct
[00:09:20] and consistent about his belief that Quebec should be its own
[00:09:24] country. But in promising to shelve the question of holding
[00:09:28] a referendum for at least two years in change,
[00:09:31] he managed to convince enough people that you can vote for
[00:09:35] the PQ without voting for separation.
[00:09:38] And anyway, savvy voters would have known,
[00:09:40] even if you don't put much stock in that promise. Minority
[00:09:44] governments, as the EQ has now, don't tend to last that long.
[00:09:48] There may very well be another election before Trump is out of
[00:09:51] office and before the PQ can hold a referendum. Plus,
[00:09:54] with only one other party in the National Assembly
[00:09:57] supporting sovereignty, there's not even any guarantee
[00:10:01] a minority government could scrape together the votes to
[00:10:04] hold a referendum at all. And even if it did,
[00:10:06] wouldn't the outcome, according to
[00:10:09] all the polling we've ever seen simply be a resounding no?
[00:10:12] Vote for the Q does not mean this at least support for the
[00:10:15] referendum. People were just so fed up and they wanted some
[00:10:19] change and the one that was able to channel that change and
[00:10:22] get the voters frustration was a passkey for most voters. They
[00:10:26] know the drill. Meaning that OK, we'll vote for the party
[00:10:30] require will like the program, we like the leader,
[00:10:32] etcetera. If I found them comes, we just simply will vote
[00:10:36] against it and that will be the end of the story.
[00:10:39] What you have in Quebec right now is a province that has just
[00:10:43] completely upended the political hierarchy. The CQ
[00:10:46] government reduced to zero seats,
[00:10:48] no longer even able to hold official party status in the
[00:10:52] legislature, and the party that was four
[00:10:55] years ago absolutely decimated, rising from the ashes. But not
[00:10:59] because Quebeckers suddenly changed their mind about
[00:11:02] separation. I think they're just convinced that's an issue
[00:11:06] for another day. Exactly which day, though, we shall
[00:11:13] no.
[00:13:17] It is absolutely shocking that the people on this plane
[00:13:20] survived.
[00:13:22] Look, this is video taken by a
[00:13:25] passenger. Pure panic onboard fly Dubai flight 1073 after the
[00:13:29] copilot of the plane allegedly stabbed the pilot. The entire
[00:13:34] plane at this point at grave risk of crashing and everyone
[00:13:38] was screaming, there were children crying.
[00:13:41] Except a whole series of things happen. Highly improbable,
[00:13:45] almost impossible, it seems to me
[00:13:49] as a commercial.
[00:13:54] All of these incredible things together end up saving
[00:13:58] everybody's life against all odds. And I'm going to show you
[00:14:01] how
[00:14:07] there were more than 170 people on board this flight,
[00:14:10] which is a daily flight running from Dubai International in the
[00:14:14] United Arab Emirates to Ben Gurion International near Tel
[00:14:18] Aviv in Israel. This is what that flight path normally looks
[00:14:22] like. It's about a three hour flight,
[00:14:25] except on September 30th, things would take a very abrupt
[00:14:28] turn here. But when I say abrupt turn,
[00:14:31] I don't mean left or right, I mean down.
[00:14:34] At around 8:21 AM local time over Saudi airspace,
[00:14:37] the plane lost altitude more than 17,
[00:14:40] 000 feet in under a minute and it speed up dramatically as it
[00:14:45] pitched towards the earth
[00:14:49] Jordanian border. Suddenly the aircraft dropped a massive
[00:14:53] massive turbulence for 2030 seconds. We know now what was
[00:14:57] happening around this time was the planes copilot allegedly
[00:15:01] attacking the planes captain nearly killing him. The
[00:15:05] struggle beginning after he stabbed the other pilot and
[00:15:09] sent the jet plunging thousands of meters in just seconds. At
[00:15:13] this point, with the attacker taking
[00:15:16] control, potentially looking to crash
[00:15:18] the plane, the only way that people on
[00:15:21] board survive is if the captain survives. And improbably,
[00:15:25] he does. This is him, Captain Smith Matcha from India.
[00:15:28] He somehow manages to survive a surprise attack from an armed
[00:15:33] assailant in close quarters while flying a plane. But he's
[00:15:37] down and in a real bad way. One of the passengers,
[00:15:40] a dentist would later tell CNN. Much other suffered massive
[00:15:44] blood loss, was severely wounded. He was
[00:15:47] covered in cuts, his head,
[00:15:49] his hands, they were practically sliced
[00:15:52] open, almost severed in two.
[00:15:53] Historically when 1 pilot turns on the other. There are clear
[00:15:58] examples where this ends in disaster for everybody on board.
[00:16:02] In 2015, Germanwings flight 9525,
[00:16:04] the copilot locks the captain out of the cockpit when he
[00:16:08] leaves to use the bathroom. He then manually steers the plane
[00:16:12] into a rapid descent, crashing into the French Alps.
[00:16:16] Everybody on board dies. Or just a couple years before that,
[00:16:20] in 2013, same thing, except this time it's the
[00:16:23] captain on a flight from Mozambique who locks the
[00:16:26] copilot out of the cockpit. He crashes the plane into a
[00:16:30] National Park in Namibia, once again killing everybody on
[00:16:34] board. But this time, Captain Matcha survives the
[00:16:37] attack from his copilot and manages to do one other
[00:16:41] incredible thing that's single handedly triggers a series of
[00:16:45] events that keep that plane in the air.
[00:16:52] So imagine the copilot is believed to have attacked the
[00:16:56] captain with some sort of stabbing weapon,
[00:16:59] leaves him bleeding on the ground. I've seen multiple
[00:17:03] reports that he was so grievously wounded he was on
[00:17:07] the verge of passing out completely even that he did at
[00:17:10] one point, but just before he did he
[00:17:13] somehow unlocks the cockpit door. They redesigned airplanes
[00:17:17] to, in fact, create
[00:17:19] this impenetrable door between the cabin and the cockpit. That
[00:17:23] door remains locked from the incident. Problem with
[00:17:26] yesterday is that the threat did not come from the cabinet.
[00:17:30] This is the critical point at which the entire arc of this
[00:17:33] crisis pivots. It's where passengers begin to realize not
[00:17:37] just that something has gone terribly wrong,
[00:17:40] but that they can do something about it.
[00:17:43] The plane just started going up and down,
[00:17:46] says 1 passenger. We started hearing screams. The plane,
[00:17:49] according to those on board, nose dived at a sickening angle.
[00:17:53] Overhead bins popped open and luggage flew out. Other
[00:17:57] accounts spoke of incredible G forces almost pinning
[00:18:00] passengers to their seats as the plane itself plunged and
[00:18:04] leveled repeatedly. It was like the craziest Holocaust that you
[00:18:08] ever did, but like, multiplied by
[00:18:11] father. It felt like something really wrong is happening here.
[00:18:15] So for some passengers to have overcome this chaos and to have
[00:18:19] the instinct to burst into the cockpit to see what was wrong,
[00:18:24] Yet another incredible development,
[00:18:26] without which I don't know how this plane survives. Eventually,
[00:18:30] one man bursts in and grabs the assailant, the copilot,
[00:18:34] from behind. Yes,
[00:18:38] the first Beta beta message.
[00:18:44] That's one of the many heroes of this story. By all accounts,
[00:18:48] wrestling control of the plane from the alleged hijacker
[00:18:52] happened very quickly. The dentist I mentioned earlier,
[00:18:56] he says he tied the attacker up using headphone cords and
[00:19:00] plastic zip ties. He then started tending to the wounded
[00:19:03] pilot. He was in serious condition, not critical,
[00:19:06] perhaps, but serious due to the massive
[00:19:09] blood loss. And that would have looked like
[00:19:13] and a warn you this is the most graphic part of the story
[00:19:16] because it's at this point we have video of the state of the
[00:19:20] lanes captain as he's lying injured on the floor.
[00:19:24] But this was the scene you're looking at. 2 bloodied pilots
[00:19:28] on the floor on this passenger jet in mid air,
[00:19:31] passengers holding one of them down,
[00:19:34] treating the other. The reason I show that to you is because I
[00:19:38] want you to understand how unreal this all would have felt
[00:19:42] to everybody on board. And yet we have yet another improbable
[00:19:46] act from the very same passenger who claims to have
[00:19:50] subdued the attacker in the 1st place. He single handedly pulls
[00:19:54] the plane out of its nose dive.
[00:19:57] Uh,
[00:20:00] yeah.
[00:20:02] He would later reveal he learned that move from TV shows
[00:20:06] pulling on the pilot steering column,
[00:20:08] the yoke to pitch the planes nose up. They actually pull up
[00:20:12] the stick the the airplane stick. The plane was decreasing
[00:20:16] in very, very sharp angle. It is a
[00:20:18] tricky maneuver, you know, not normal or a commercial
[00:20:21] airliner to be in that flight position to be nose down at 600
[00:20:25] miles an hour. But even all this,
[00:20:28] as improbable as it all is put together,
[00:20:30] only leads to yet another impossible question.
[00:20:34] How do you land a plane when you have no pilot?
[00:20:42] In a normal emergency, if such a thing even exists,
[00:20:46] the pilot is doing more than just flying the plane and
[00:20:50] landing it. They are the planes eyes and ears,
[00:20:53] navigating weather patterns, how much fuel they've got left,
[00:20:57] and which runways are even available and safe. There was
[00:21:01] nothing but desert beneath US1 passenger told CNN. We feared
[00:21:05] being taken to an enemy country or landing in the middle of the
[00:21:09] desert. We didn't know who to trust. Now,
[00:21:12] if this were a Hollywood movie, the scripted stroke of luck
[00:21:16] here would be that someone on board is simply bold enough to
[00:21:20] do something like land a plane that they've never done before
[00:21:24] and it just happens to work out. But in real life,
[00:21:28] there just happened to be another set of pilots on board,
[00:21:32] an off duty British pilot along with another, together,
[00:21:35] a pair of relief pilots who were meant to fly the next
[00:21:39] flight
[00:21:41] was fortunate that they were on an airplane that had this extra
[00:21:45] deadheading crew, as we call it. You know,
[00:21:47] but to actually jump into a pilot seat when you've got
[00:21:51] another pilot next to you that potentially was suicidal and
[00:21:55] the captain of the aircraft neutralized as well was
[00:21:59] absolutely heroic action. Those 2 pilots took control of the
[00:22:03] plane, diverted to an airport not in
[00:22:06] Israel where they were originally going,
[00:22:08] but in nearby Saudi Arabia instead.
[00:22:11] Which interestingly is a country Israel has no formal
[00:22:15] diplomatic relations with, but that years ago did open its
[00:22:19] airspace. 2 passenger planes flying to and from Israel. So
[00:22:23] they had control of the plane and a safe runway to land on.
[00:22:27] But there was still one more problem. The plane was badly
[00:22:31] damaged. When I saw the images of the aircraft on the ground
[00:22:35] with the rudder section torn out,
[00:22:37] I immediately had a cold chill. If you've ever looked at the
[00:22:41] back of a plane,
[00:22:43] you know what that vertical tail looks like. But what's a
[00:22:46] little more subtle than that is the rudder,
[00:22:49] which is this movable flap that controls the side to side
[00:22:52] swinging of the lanes nose. It's basically stabilizing the
[00:22:56] plane. If you RIP that out, as you can see in these photos
[00:22:59] here of this fly Dubai flight shortly after emergency landing,
[00:23:03] you have two problems. 1 is that you're possibly bleeding
[00:23:07] hydraulic fluid out all over the place,
[00:23:09] which affects a whole bunch of other systems on the plane. But
[00:23:13] two,
[00:23:14] landing becomes more dangerous. Letters are the key element of
[00:23:17] aircraft stability, particularly at landing. And in
[00:23:21] this case the runner was not there. The airplane went
[00:23:24] through extensive aerodynamic shot. All of the experts I've
[00:23:28] heard on this believe it was the planes nosedive. We
[00:23:31] mentioned at the start that sudden steep descent that
[00:23:35] likely applied enormous aerodynamic forces to the tail,
[00:23:38] enough to RIP that part of the rudder right off. But somehow
[00:23:42] those two relief pilots
[00:23:44] managed to land the plane regardless,
[00:23:50] so now investigators have their work cut out for them. Why did
[00:23:54] this copilot hijack the plane, and what was he trying to do?
[00:23:58] Did he improvise the weapon he used,
[00:24:01] or did he smuggle it on board? And Speaking of getting on
[00:24:05] board, should intelligence or law
[00:24:07] enforcement officers have known to apprehend him before he got
[00:24:11] on that plane? Those answers will hopefully
[00:24:14] come with time, but all we know now is that
[00:24:17] this plane load of passengers somehow pulled off the
[00:24:20] impossible. The captain surviving A devastating attack,
[00:24:24] managing with his last sliver of consciousness to open the
[00:24:27] cockpit door, allowing passengers undergoing
[00:24:30] extreme G forces to storm that cockpit, subdue the attacker,
[00:24:34] pull the plane out of the nosedive just in time. And then
[00:24:38] they just happened to have a pair of pilots on hand who
[00:24:41] grabbed the controls, find a safe runway to land on,
[00:24:44] and manage to do so with a severely damaged rudder in a
[00:24:48] plane that no inspector would ever consider airworthy.
[00:24:51] I don't know what you call that, but as terrible and traumatic
[00:24:56] as it was for everyone involved, those folks undeniably got very,
[00:25:01] very lucky.
[00:30:22] On this edition of the Fifth Estate...
[00:30:24] ...we're in Edmonton, just days ahead of a crucial
[00:30:28] provincial referendum that risks reshaping the country;
[00:30:31] asking Albertans whether they want to remain
[00:30:34] a province of Canada.
[00:30:37] The only way to amend the Canadian Constitution
[00:30:41] is for a Canadian province
[00:30:44] to vote itself the hell out of Canada.
[00:30:48] [audience cheers]
[00:30:49] Let's not throw in the towel and give up on our country
[00:30:53] just as the battle has turned in our favour
[00:30:55] and victory is in sight.
[00:30:58] And while Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she'll vote to remain in Canada,