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[00:00:00] ignatures collected,
[00:00:03] only 222,600 were verified.
[00:00:07] That's just 7.5% of the Alberta electorate.
[00:00:12] This is the first step to the next step. [laughter]
[00:00:24] is Sturgeon Lake Cree Nation.
[00:00:28] And long before there was talk of a referendum,
[00:00:31] long before there was a province called Alberta,
[00:00:34] the Cree were here.
[00:00:37] And this...
[00:00:39] -this is the territory. -Yes.
[00:00:41] -It's gorgeous out here. -Part of it, yeah.
[00:00:45] We're blessed.
[00:00:47] Oh, yes, beautiful, beautiful.
[00:00:51] Not many more beautiful than that.
[00:00:55] [Mark] Chief Sheldon Sunshine says it's his duty,
[00:00:58] his responsibility, to protect this land as it was protected
[00:01:01] by generations of chiefs who came before him.
[00:01:05] That's part of who we are here in Sturgeon.
[00:01:09] We're good people.
[00:01:10] But one of the terms that I like to use
[00:01:13] is that we're nice until we're not.
[00:01:16] It gets us-- You've got to push us through
[00:01:20] a certain point for us not to be nice,
[00:01:23] and we're getting pushed to that point.
[00:01:26] [Mark] Chief Sunshine and other First Nations chiefs
[00:01:29] opposed the idea of a referenm on independence.
[00:01:32] They argue it violates their treaty rights
[00:01:35] because they were never consulted on the plan.
[00:01:37] The chief says he considers independence
[00:01:40] a way for the Alberta governmt to grab First Nations land
[00:01:43] for resource development.
[00:01:45] They want to fast track these resource developments.
[00:01:47] And all of these legislations are avenues to go around
[00:01:52] First Nations, our rights to the land, our way of life.
[00:01:56] You know, when we signed the treaty,
[00:01:58] it was with the understanding that our people could live...
[00:02:04] forever, practicing our way of life.
[00:02:06] [Mark] So the First Nations leaders went to court
[00:02:09] to block the independence referendum, and won.
[00:02:12] -The treaties live! -The treaties live!
[00:02:15] -The nations live! -The nations live!
[00:02:19] [Mark] Orlagh O'Kelly is a lawyer for the Sturgeon Lake Cree.
[00:02:22] She said the court decision gave Premier Smith an opportunity
[00:02:25] to call off or delay the referendum on independenc.
[00:02:29] She could have taken that off-ramp. I think that was the final,
[00:02:33] maybe the final verdict at that point
[00:02:36] was here's an off-ramp.
[00:02:38] And I believe Chief Sunshine openly invited her
[00:02:41] to take that off-ramp, and she didn't take it.
[00:02:45] Just to shelve this whole referendum question idea. You have an out.
[00:02:49] You can go back to your base and say, sorry,
[00:02:50] the court said no, and I'm going to respect that.
[00:02:55] [Mark] But instead of taking the off-ramp,
[00:02:57] in May, Smith announced a referendum
[00:03:00] on independence would indeed be held,
[00:03:02] with a new question, one the courts would accept.
[00:03:22] [Mark] If voters choose the second option,
[00:03:24] another referendum will be held,
[00:03:27] after consulting Alberta's First Nations.
[00:03:30] Now, I want to be clear.
[00:03:32] I support Alberta remaining in Canada.
[00:03:35] That is how I would vote on separation in a provincial referendum.
[00:03:39] It is also the position of my government and my caucus.
[00:03:42] [Mark] Perhaps, but it wasn't the position of her party membership.
[00:03:46] In May, an Angus Reid poll revealed 64% of the UCP membes
[00:03:50] would vote to hold a binding referendum to leave Canada.
[00:03:54] Members like Mitch Sylvestre,
[00:03:57] now a UCP constituency president
[00:03:59] and major party fundraiser, and Dennis Modry,
[00:04:02] seen here with the premier at a UCP dinner.
[00:04:05] As well as independence firebrand Jeff Rath,
[00:04:09] who confronted Smith and her cabinet
[00:04:11] at the UCP annual general meeting last fall,
[00:04:14] to send the premier a message.
[00:04:16] [Jeff] My question for the room is how many of all of us
[00:04:20] favour a free and independent Alberta?
[00:04:23] [cheers and applause]
[00:04:25] Raise your hand, stand up.
[00:04:27] Well, I support an independent Alberta within a united Canada.
[00:04:32] That is my position.
[00:04:34] [Mark] Smith's response was met by a chorus of boos
[00:04:37] and only a smattering of applause.
[00:04:39] So, if she favoured a united Canada,
[00:04:42] along with the majority of Albertans according to pol,
[00:04:45] why hold the referendum? When Danielle Smith ran,
[00:04:49] when she was actually elected in 2023... -Yeah. -she didn't run on any of this.
[00:04:53] Jason Kenney got taken out by that arm of the party
[00:04:56] and she knows that, right?
[00:04:59] She's managed to appease them, I think.
[00:05:01] So she saved herself, it worked. [Mark] But if it was all a game
[00:05:05] of political survival for Smith, lawyer O'Kelly wonders at what cost
[00:05:09] for Albertans, and Canadians.
[00:05:12] There's never been a worse time to call this referendum.
[00:05:15] Like, Canada's vulnerable
[00:05:17] with Donald Trump in office.
[00:05:19] What I'm worried about is, you know, influence from the United States,
[00:05:23] but there's other foreign actors
[00:05:24] who would gladly see Canada dismembered.
[00:05:27] But do you see this as a dangerous game?
[00:05:29] Yes, very dangerous.
[00:05:33] Also, they've been very nasty to us on trade.
[00:05:35] I would love to see Canada be the 51st state.
[00:05:40] [Mark] Remember, in late 2025,
[00:05:42] U.S. President Trump was trolling Canada
[00:05:44] while inflicting damaging trade tariffs.
[00:05:48] Canada was in full on elbows up mode.
[00:06:02] [Mark] So what did the three leaders of Alberta's independence movement do?
[00:06:06] Well, there's a group of Albertans that are working together right now to put together a delegation
[00:06:09] to go to Washington to talk to the Trump administration
[00:06:12] about Alberta petitioning for U.S. statehood.
[00:06:15] So how important is support from the U.S. administration
[00:06:18] to the success of your Alberta independence movement?
[00:06:21] I think it's absolutely crucial, right?
[00:06:23] Because, you know, a big part of what we're saying is
[00:06:25] that we are going to be far better off outside of Canada.
[00:06:28] A big driver of this movement is all the anti-Americanism
[00:06:32] that we're seeing out of Ontario and, you know, all the elbows up nonsense.
[00:06:36] Can you imagine anything more childish? Like, elbows up, we're going to beat the Americans
[00:06:39] by pretending we're Gordie Howe and elbow them in the mouth. I mean, it's silly, right?
[00:06:44] Culturally, we're far more closer
[00:06:46] to our friends and relatives in Montana
[00:06:49] than we are with anybody in southern Ontario, right?
[00:06:54] [Mark] The delegation, which included Mitch Sylvestre
[00:06:56] and Dennis Modry, met at the U.S. State Departmt
[00:06:59] on three separate occasions.
[00:07:02] Neither side will say who represented the U.S. at the meetings.
[00:07:06] We're not at liberty to say, unfortunately.
[00:07:08] That's the one, we can talk about some of the things that we discussed in those meetings.
[00:07:11] We have an agreement with them we won't disclose their identity. But it seems like you're having your cake
[00:07:15] -and eating it too. -Yeah, well... You talk a lot about the meetings and that they were
[00:07:18] high level and yet you won't be saying who it was.
[00:07:21] I know, Mark, it just is what it is.
[00:07:24] I mean, I've gone around the mulberry bush on this
[00:07:28] with a number of journalists. I mean, we agreed to that,
[00:07:31] and unlike a lot of the politicians on the other side of this, we keep our word.
[00:07:34] So, but, you know, that being said, people that were in our meetings were going, you know,
[00:07:38] directly from our meetings to the Oval Office.
[00:07:40] What the hell is going on? These people are not elected dog catcher.
[00:07:44] They don't represent anyone. [Mark] Former Premier Jason Kenney
[00:07:48] says he would have stopped the meetings in their tracks
[00:07:50] had he still been in office.
[00:07:52] But to have some, you know, random guy
[00:07:56] in a cowboy hat just call up the State Department and say,
[00:08:01] "hey, I'm going to come down and effectively represent
[00:08:05] your largest external supplier of energy and your--
[00:08:08] "by the way, to talk about seceding
[00:08:10] from your closest trading partner and strategic ally."
[00:08:13] Give me a break.
[00:08:15] "Canada's the 51st state" was the top narrative
[00:08:17] that was being pushed out. [Mark] Marcus Kolga is a founder
[00:08:21] of a group called DisinfoWatc.
[00:08:23] He's been monitoring misinformation
[00:08:25] generated in the U.S. during our trade war.
[00:08:28] He says his findings suggest the intent
[00:08:31] is to destabilize Canada.
[00:08:33] And it tells us that the fastest rising narrative
[00:08:35] is this Canadian state failure
[00:08:38] and that the Alberta referendum,
[00:08:41] Alberta independence, is the solution
[00:08:44] to Albertans escaping this failed state in Canada.
[00:08:51] [Mark] The 51st state rhetoric is being pushed
[00:08:54] by the likes of podcaster
[00:08:55] and former Fox News host Trish Regan.
[00:08:59] Danielle has actually made it so that in October,
[00:09:02] they're going to have that secession vote.
[00:09:05] So why not become an honorary United States state?
[00:09:10] America would gain greater access to oil.
[00:09:12] Alberta gains access to our protection.
[00:09:15] But what do you want Albertans to know, Canadians to know,
[00:09:17] about this threat of disinformation
[00:09:20] and foreign interference? Is it very much alive as we speak?
[00:09:24] It's alive, and the key point
[00:09:26] that we want to achieve in all of this
[00:09:29] is to make Albertans aware that they are being targeted.
[00:09:34] [Mark] When we come back, the pressure mounts on the premier.
[00:09:38] Danielle is not on our side, she's never been on our side.
[00:09:42] And that's why you want to get rid of her? Absolutely.
[00:09:45] ♪
[00:09:49] What kind of future do Albertans want for their
[00:09:52] province? The upcoming referendum will
[00:09:55] reveal where voters stand on the ballot is whether to stay
[00:09:59] in Canada to seek more provincial powers over
[00:10:02] immigration or whether to push for constitutional change. To
[00:10:06] learn what the choices mean for you, for Albertans,
[00:10:09] and for all Canadians, stay tuned to CBC News for full
[00:10:13] coverage. The Alberta referendum October 19th. Make
[00:10:16] an informed choice.
[00:12:24] [Mark] As summer turns to fall on the Alberta Prairie,
[00:12:26] we're now just a couple weeks away from referendum da.
[00:12:30] Premier Smith has spent months trying
[00:12:33] to hold her party and her province together.
[00:12:37] This tower is a symbol of support for an independent Alberta.
[00:12:42] It was put up in 2020, essentially,
[00:12:44] as a middle finger to then-prime minister
[00:12:46] Justin Trudeau and his energy policies.
[00:12:51] Rod Perron put the tower up.
[00:12:53] And he says he won't take it down
[00:12:55] until Alberta is finally free of Canada.
[00:13:11] demanding a referendum.
[00:13:13] He wishes this vote would be a binding question:
[00:13:16] remain or leave.
[00:13:19] But he sees this referendum as getting
[00:13:22] one step closer to independence.
[00:13:24] And he thanks Premier Danielle Smith for that.
[00:13:27] She's good. One of the things that
[00:13:29] I really smile about with her is,
[00:13:31] so you've got the separatists
[00:13:34] that are saying, oh, she's a federalist.
[00:13:36] And you've got the federalists saying, oh, she's a separatist.
[00:13:38] -'Cause you just... -So which is she, Rod?
[00:13:43] I think she's waiting to find out. [laughs]
[00:13:46] She's a representative of her people.
[00:13:49] My personal opinion is that I think
[00:13:52] she would lead an independent Alberta.
[00:13:55] [Mark] But he feels his next door neighbours, the Sturgeon Lake Cree,
[00:13:58] are standing in the way of his dream of an independent Alberta.
[00:14:01] There's a few chiefs.
[00:14:04] You know, a few elders who got some people really worked up,
[00:14:08] but it's, you know, for me, I got to really ask why.
[00:14:11] Why would you even want to stay?
[00:14:14] You know, they've been getting beat up
[00:14:17] worse than Alberta for the last 123 years
[00:14:20] and, you know, why would they want to stay?
[00:14:23] Every time you see an Alberta flag, you just assume they're separatists.
[00:14:29] -That's what you see? -That's what I see.
[00:14:32] [Mark] Chief Sunshine knows Perron and his politics.
[00:14:35] Their communities are side by side.
[00:14:38] And this political divide is creating bad blood.
[00:14:42] With the whole start of the separatist talk,
[00:14:45] we've seen a lot of...
[00:14:49] [sighs]
[00:14:51] a lot of racism come out.
[00:14:53] You know, it was always there,
[00:14:55] but I think with the separatists,
[00:14:58] that really emboldened a lot of people
[00:15:01] that come out with their opinions and their views.
[00:15:04] What are those opinions and views? Well, you know,
[00:15:08] some of them feel that we are holding up
[00:15:12] [laughs] the separatist issue.
[00:15:15] But at the end of the day,
[00:15:17] we're just protecting our rights of our people.
[00:15:19] [Mark] But unlike his neighbour Perron,
[00:15:22] he is convinced of Premier Smith's political endgame.
[00:15:25] Do you believe that Premier Danielle Smith is a separatist?
[00:15:30] 100%.
[00:15:32] I don't think there's anything
[00:15:34] that could prove otherwise to me.
[00:15:38] You know, she was right up in the camp, changing the laws,
[00:15:42] you know, and now she's on the other hand,
[00:15:46] trying to save Canada, be Captain Canada.
[00:15:48] But, you know, like I said, the actions speak louder than words.
[00:15:52] And all of her actions indicate that she's a separatist.
[00:16:03] Danielle is not on our side, she's never been on our side,
[00:16:07] and-- but she's the only reason she has power
[00:16:10] is that she fooled enough people into thinking she was.
[00:16:15] She's literally, you know, she's leader of the UCP
[00:16:17] by fraud, is what it amounts to.
[00:16:19] And that's why you want to get rid of her? Absolutely, well, that and, you know,
[00:16:23] strategically and tactically we see her as a, you know,
[00:16:26] as a complete impediment to independence.
[00:16:29] [Mark] So, separatist supporters like Rath
[00:16:31] are now taking one more step on their path
[00:16:34] to Alberta's independence. Step five: get rid of Smith.
[00:16:39] We just need to get rid of her sooner rather than later
[00:16:41] and, you know, proceed to have a special
[00:16:44] general meeting of the party to vote
[00:16:47] on her leadership the same way we did with Jason Kenney.
[00:16:51] I understand their frustrations for sure,
[00:16:53] because we were hoping that she would advocate more heavily
[00:16:57] on our side instead of taking a position against us.
[00:17:02] [Mark] Tanya Clemens, who once campaigned for Smith,
[00:17:05] now sits on the board of her local constituency associatio.
[00:17:08] In late September, she voted with her board
[00:17:11] to hold a review of the Premier's leadership.
[00:17:29] [Mark] Back at the Whistle Stop Cafe,
[00:17:31] owner Chris Scott harbours his own doubts about the premier.
[00:17:35] He says her support of Alberta remaining in Canada
[00:17:38] has set back the independence movement he supports.
[00:17:42] The idea of holding a referendum to see
[00:17:46] if you want to have a referendum, how does that strike you?
[00:17:50] Well, it's annoying. I understand why.
[00:17:52] I do get that she's trying to walk a political tightrope.
[00:17:56] She's trying to balance, you know, the support of her base,
[00:18:00] which is estimated 60 to 70% of the UCP
[00:18:03] is, they're on board with Alberta sovereignty.
[00:18:06] She's trying to balance that with the federalist faction in the UCP.
[00:18:09] She's trying to balance that with her commitments
[00:18:12] to the federal government to work on some projects.
[00:18:15] Do you see the party heading for a split?
[00:18:18] 100%. 100%.
[00:18:22] It's not just UCP members who are unhappy with the premier.
[00:18:25] Her popularity rating
[00:18:27] is now at the lowest since her election in 2023.
[00:18:30] And the separatists smell blood.
[00:18:34] Even the premier seems to be showing the strain of the campaign.
[00:18:37] In an online conference at the end of September,
[00:18:40] Premier Smith became emotiona,
[00:18:42] saying Albertans are angry and they need to be heard.
[00:18:45] Some begin to ask the painful question:
[00:18:53] [clears throat]
[00:18:55] Does this country actually want us?
[00:19:02] Even if most Albertans choose to remain,
[00:19:06] and current polls suggest it's two-thirds who will vote that way,
[00:19:09] the number of people who feel this frustrated
[00:19:12] with their own country is too high for comfort.
[00:19:18] We requested an interview with Premier Smith
[00:19:20] to discuss her divided party, and her divided province.
[00:19:24] We were told she would not be made available
[00:19:26] to speak to the Fifth Estate.
[00:19:30] Two of the independence leades now have other issues to deal with.
[00:19:43] after two First Nations allege he misappropriated
[00:19:47] millions of dollars from trust funds his law firm oversaw.
[00:19:52] Rath calls the allegations false.
[00:19:56] And last year a B.C. judge found Dennis Modry
[00:19:59] misappropriated $1.3 million from his aunt and uncle.
[00:20:04] Since then, he's stepped back from public appearances.
[00:20:07] He didn't respond to our requests for an interview.
[00:20:13] So, how will Premier Smith unite Albertans
[00:20:15] after holding a referendum on independence
[00:20:18] only a fraction of voters ever asked for?
[00:20:22] A referendum
[00:20:24] many of the separatist supporters now condemn.
[00:20:28] This political exercise has exposed
[00:20:30] the soft underbelly of Canadian unity.
[00:20:33] And just like Quebec, the divisions in Alberta
[00:20:37] won't end when the ballots are counted.
[00:20:41] [theme music playing]
[00:20:51] [Steven] Next week on the Fifth Estate.
[00:20:53] I'm Steven D'Souza in Berlin,
[00:20:55] on the trail of anti-government movements in Canada and abroad.
[00:21:00] They're called sovereign citizens.
[00:21:02] They see taxes, western governments,
[00:21:04] and their institutions as illegitimate.
[00:21:08] [knocking] Hello, is anybody here? We go on the search for a man
[00:21:10] who duped the Canada Revenue Agency
[00:21:13] into giving him a massive refund. Well, how do you know that?
[00:21:17] We have some sources. I mean, $40 million is a lot of money.
[00:21:19] We look at how sovereigns
[00:21:21] are using conspiracy theories to try and steal
[00:21:24] hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money.
[00:21:27] They can keep hitting the Bank of Canada forever
[00:21:29] at this rate, nothing's been done to stop it.
[00:21:31] And in Germany we look at how extreme sovereigns
[00:21:35] try to overthrow the governme.
[00:21:37] Could that happen in Canada?
[00:21:39] The moment you believe the whole world is actually a facade,
[00:21:43] then it gets so hellishly dangerous.
[00:21:46] That's next week on the Fifth Estate.
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[00:22:08] With it came violence and intimidation more typical
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[00:22:56] What kind of future do Albertans want for their
[00:22:58] province? The upcoming referendum will
[00:23:01] reveal where voters stand on the ballot is whether to stay
[00:23:05] in Canada to seek more provincial powers over
[00:23:08] immigration or whether to push for constitutional change. To
[00:23:12] learn what the choices mean for you, for Albertans,
[00:23:15] and for all Canadians, stay tuned to CBC News for full
[00:23:19] coverage. The Alberta referendum October 19th. Make
[00:23:22] an informed choice.
[00:26:02] is going to be cracking down. Minimum 10% tariff on all
[00:26:05] imports. Some contracts are already getting cancelled.
[00:26:08] Facing a potential 25 or even 50% tariff on steel exports.
[00:26:12] We're already hearing about layoffs. Feeling the financial
[00:26:15] pain of Canada's 25% counter tariffs. He believes that
[00:26:18] Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state
[00:26:22] when our sovereignty is threatened.
[00:26:25] You do what you can. He is trying to break us. So you have
[00:26:28] questions. How should Canadians be preparing for that next trip?
[00:26:32] What is your plan? How seriously are you taking
[00:26:35] this threat of 100% tariffs on foreign made films?
[00:26:38] A lot of questions. How is Hamilton bracing for tariff
[00:26:42] impact? When we talk about counter
[00:26:44] terrorists, do those affect you? How much does it cost to be
[00:26:48] patriotic when picking items at the grocery store?
[00:26:51] And while your elbows have been up, elbows up.
[00:26:56] For us, it's the sleeves rolled up.
[00:26:58] Because you need answers about your neighborhood, your world,
[00:27:02] your Canada,
[00:27:04] and what it means for all of us to say we are Canadian.
[00:27:13] Our journalists countrywide and all over the world are on the
[00:27:17] case.
[00:27:18] Do you think you're gonna have to close?
[00:27:21] I hate to think about that.
[00:27:30] I'm about 15 kilometers from the Russian border. Where are
[00:27:34] Canada's allies? Where are Canada's markets?
[00:27:36] What is this country's place on the planet?
[00:27:39] It's the uncertainty that's the
[00:27:41] this issue. What is the next thing to happen and what will
[00:27:46] it mean for all of us? We assume that it will be a
[00:27:50] difficult Rd. Canada. We got you and we are right there
[00:27:54] right beside you trying to make sense of it with you.
[00:28:11] Power and politics, the scale of the crisis and chaos and a day like this. We gotta get to the power panel
[00:28:15] early. Experts and party insiders break it all down.
[00:28:18] This is a shift in the Liberal position. And then the Tories
[00:28:21] are just left to say, well, you're not moving fast and
[00:28:23] making sense of our world. Conditions have gotten pretty
[00:28:26] bad and they look like they're gonna get worse. Can't now walk
[00:28:29] that back because governing is a lot harder than campaigning.
[00:28:32] He's a drag on his own party, extremely difficult choices.
[00:28:35] The Power Panel on power and politics with David Cochrane, weekdays on CBC News.
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[00:30:35] WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS FOR YOU. YOU. STELCO SAYS IT IS GOING STELCO SAYS IT IS GOING AHEAD WITH HUNDREDS OF
[00:30:39] AHEAD WITH HUNDREDS OF LAYOFFS AT ITS HAMILTON LAYOFFS AT ITS HAMILTON STEEL PLANT.
[00:30:42] STEEL PLANT. THAT'S DESPITE THREATS OF THAT'S DESPITE THREATS OF LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FROM
[00:30:46] LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> FAILING IT FOLLOW THEIR
[00:30:48] >> FAILING IT FOLLOW THEIR COMMITMENTS -- FAILING TO COMMITMENTS -- FAILING TO FOLLOW THEIR COMMITMENTS
[00:30:52] FOLLOW THEIR COMMITMENTS WILL RESULT BY ACTIONS BY WILL RESULT BY ACTIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT, AND SO