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[00:00:01] SHORT-TERM. SO I DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ARGUMENT KIND OF REACHES
[00:00:05] THE CIRCLE. AND TO PICK UP ON ROB'S POINT
[00:00:08] THERE, IF THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS TO
[00:00:11] FORCE A SALE HERE, THROUGH COURT
[00:00:13] ACTION AND A COURT DIVESTITURE,
[00:00:15] WHO IS GOING TO BUY STELCO? IS IT A PRIVATE SALE?
[00:00:19] IS IT A GOVERNMENT PURCHASE AT SOME POINT AS PART OF THE
[00:00:23] CONTINUING KIND OF BUILD CANADA,
[00:00:25] SECURE THE SUPPLY CHAIN, BUY A PIPELINE.
[00:00:28] YOU CAN BUY A STEEL PLANT.
[00:00:31] THOSE ARE ALL INTERESTING OUTCOMES. THE OTHER FLAW IN THE ARGUMENT FROM THE C.E.O. THERE IS THE
[00:00:35] IDEA THAT HE THINKS THE PRIME
[00:00:38] MINISTER -- THAT THE INDUSTRY MINISTER HAS LINES THE PRIME
[00:00:42] MINISTER HASN'T SEEN. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
[00:00:45] THE INDUSTRY MINISTER IS READING THE LINES FROM THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE IS HOW I WOULD
[00:00:49] READ THAT. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
[00:00:52] CHARELLE, IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE MR. GONCALVES IS READY TO GO TO
[00:00:55] COURT IN THIS CASE. AND I DON'T KNOW POLITICALLY
[00:00:59] WHETHER THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT, I MEAN, THE GOVERNMENT
[00:01:02] CAN'T JUST SIT THERE AND LET THIS UNFOLD. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
[00:01:06] I WOULD SAY THAT POLITICALLY IT
[00:01:09] ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE BETTER OPTION.
[00:01:12] BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YES, THERE'S THE TIME ELEMENT OF IT.
[00:01:15] HOW DO YOU SUPPORT THE WORKERS. THAT'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.
[00:01:17] BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE SEEN TO
[00:01:19] BE LOOKING TO ENFORCE THE DEALS THAT ARE MADE.
[00:01:23] AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE
[00:01:25] JUST LINGERING IN THE WIND. >> Rosemary: YEAH. >> YEAH.
[00:01:29] IT COMES BACK DOWN TO, YES,
[00:01:32] PEOPLE KNOW THAT DEALING WITH DONALD TRUMP IS NOT NECESSARILY
[00:01:36] A LINEAR BLACK AND WHITE SORT OF THING THAT HAPPENS.
[00:01:39] AND POLLING SHOWS THAT CANADIANS
[00:01:42] GENERALLY SUPPORT HAVING NO DEAL WITH THE U.S. VERSUS A BAD DEAL.
[00:01:46] BUT WHEN THINGS AREN'T -- AREN'T
[00:01:50] POLITICAL OR PATRIOTIC POSITION, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO
[00:01:53] ARE ACTUALLY AFFECTED IN TANGIBLE WAYS LIKE LOSING THEIR
[00:01:56] JOBS OVER THANKSGIVING, HOW DO YOU SUPPORT PEOPLE. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
[00:02:00] >> THEN, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICAL QUESTIONS.
[00:02:03] DO WE PUSH THE COMPANY TO SELL?
[00:02:05] DO WE NATIONALIZE THINGS IS
[00:02:09] NEVER A STRAIGHTFORWARD APPROACH. >> Rosemary: NO. >> IT PUSHES ABOUT -- WHERE THE
[00:02:13] GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SPEND ITS MONEY. WHAT IT WANTS TO SPEND ITS MONEY
[00:02:16] ON. SHOULD THE FREE MARKET BE SUPPORTING IT? OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T. LOOK AT CANADA POST.
[00:02:20] YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHY IS IT MAKING MONEY?
[00:02:24] IT'S REALLY A LOSE-LOSE SITUATION AT THAT POINT. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
[00:02:27] >> YOU WANT TO TRY TO MITIGATE
[00:02:28] THE DAMAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
[00:02:32] >> Rosemary: THE C.E.O.'S POINT WAS WE SAID WE'D KEEP THE SAME
[00:02:35] NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. WE DIDN'T SAY IT WOULD BE THE SAME EVERY YEAR, WHICH I DON'T
[00:02:39] KNOW LEGALLY HOW VIABLE THAT IS.
[00:02:43] IT'S A BIG RED FLAG ABOUT SELLING THESE KINDS OF COMPANIES
[00:02:46] TO AMERICAN COMPANIES AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
[00:02:49] IT'S JUST -- IT'S MAYBE NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING.
[00:02:52] >> YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH ONE.
[00:02:54] BUT, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY THE PRIME MINISTER, YOU KNOW, JUST A
[00:02:58] MONTH AGO WAS HAVING THIS BIG INVESTMENT SUMMIT HERE IN TORONTO. >> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
[00:03:02] >> AND SAYING CANADA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
[00:03:03] SO IF YOU TURN AROUND AND NATIONALIZE STELCO OR FORCE THE
[00:03:07] SALE OF STELCO AND I DON'T KNOW
[00:03:09] A CHINESE COMPANY BUYS OR -- >> Rosemary: YEAH.
[00:03:12] >> LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF
[00:03:14] BAD SIGNALS FOR CARNEY TO THE WORLD.
[00:03:18] TRANSMITTED TO THE WORLD IF IT GOES THAT WAY. IF THERE'S KIND OF SOME KIND OF
[00:03:22] A FORCED SALE. BUT, I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF
[00:03:26] POLITICAL PRESSURE ON JOLY AND
[00:03:27] CARNEY TO GO TO COURT.
[00:03:30] PIERRE POILIEVRE WAS IN BURLINGTON ON FRIDAY WITH THE
[00:03:34] STELCO IN THE BACKGROUND IN HAMILTON AS THE BACKDROP.
[00:03:36] AND SAYING HE EXPECTED AT 5:00 A.M. TOMORROW THEY SHOULD
[00:03:40] BE FILING THE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE COMPANY.
[00:03:43] SO THERE IS POLITICAL PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT.
[00:03:46] BUT AGAIN THERE'S 500 WORKERS. THAT'S 500 FAMILIES.
[00:03:50] IT'S THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. CHRISTMAS IS SOON HERE. IT'S JUST A REALLY, REALLY
[00:04:01] SHAW. >> AS THE B.C. CORRESPONDENT ON THIS PANEL, I WILL POINT OUT
[00:04:04] STEEL IN BRITISH COLUMBIA IS LESS OF AN ISSUE, BECAUSE IT
[00:04:07] CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY STEEL FROM ONTARIO.
[00:04:11] IT WANTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RELAX THE IMPORT ON STEEL
[00:04:14] TARIFFS SO THAT IT CAN BRING STEEL IN.
[00:04:17] AND WE WRESTLE WITH THIS ISSUE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AS WELL IN
[00:04:21] FORESTRY. WHERE AMERICAN COMPANIES MOVE
[00:04:24] THEIR ILMILLS DOWN HERE TO REINVEST IN THE UNITED STATES.
[00:04:27] IT'S A BROADER ISSUE THAN JUST THE STEEL SECTOR.
[00:04:30] AND IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO INTERVENE ON AMERICAN
[00:04:33] INVESTORS, THERE'S WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SECTORS COULD
[00:04:36] CHOOSE TO DO THAT IN, INCLUDING FORESTRY. >> Rosemary: YEAH.
[00:04:39] WE CAN'T NATIONALIZE EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
[00:04:56] >> Rosemary: ALBERTANS JUST DAYS AWAY FROM A REFERENDUM WHICH WILL ASK THEM, AMONGST OTHER
[00:04:59] THINGS, WHETHER THEY WANT THE PROVINCE TO REMAIN IN CANADA. I'LL SPEAK WITH THE PROVINCE'S
[00:05:03] FORMER PREMIER ABOUT WHY SHE BELIEVES THE CURRENT PREMIER HAS
[00:07:50] ♪♪
[00:07:57] >> Rosemary: ALBERTANS JUST
[00:07:58] EIGHT DAY ACE -- DAYS AWAY FROMA
[00:08:02] REFERENDUM. WHETHER TO REMAIN IN CANADA OR
[00:08:06] BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SEPARATING.
[00:08:11] SOME OF THE CRITICS LIKE FORMER PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY SAY
[00:08:14] SMITH'S ACTIONS LIKE LOWERING
[00:08:18] THE THRESHOLD FOR CITIZEN-LED PETITIONS HELPED SEPARATIST GET
[00:08:21] TO THIS POINT.
[00:08:22] I SPOKE ABOUT THE RHETORIC ABOUT
[00:08:31] YOU AGAIN. >> HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> Rosemary: I'M GOING TO START
[00:08:35] WITH THE ONE THAT MAYBE TOOK UP
[00:08:37] A FAIR AMOUNT OF SPACE THIS WEEK
[00:08:39] THE ELON MUSK POST ON X. SAYING THAT ALBERTA,
[00:08:42] SASKATCHEWAN AND QUÉBEC SHOULD ALL SEPARATE FROM CANADA.
[00:08:46] I WONDER WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT, A U.S. GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW,
[00:08:50] OFFICIAL OR EX-OFFICIAL, PEOPLE
[00:08:54] LIKE MUSK ARE INFLUENCING CANADIAN POLITICS AT THIS MOMENT?
[00:08:58] TIME? >> WE ALL KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY
[00:09:01] INAPPROPRIATE AND DISRESPECTFUL.
[00:09:04] IT'S NOT NEW BEHAVIOUR OUT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND SUPPORTERS OF SAME OVER THE
[00:09:07] COURSE OF THE LAST MANY MONTHS.
[00:09:12] BUT I THINK THAT FOLKS THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE
[00:09:16] GAINED FOR ALBERTANS BY
[00:09:18] SEPARATING OUGHT TO ASK THEMSELVES WHY CERTAIN FOLKS
[00:09:22] SOUTH OF THE BORDER THINK THEY
[00:09:25] HAVE SOMETHING TO GAIN FROM ALBERTA SEPARATING.
[00:09:28] I THINK WE ALL KNOW ALBERTA IS STRONGER WITHIN CANADA.
[00:09:32] AND I THINK THE EFFORTS BY THE
[00:09:34] MINORITY OF FOLKS FROM THE U.S., WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING
[00:09:37] CANADA WEAKENED SHOULD DELIVER A
[00:09:42] MESSAGE TO ALBERTANS ON THE FENCE THAT, IN FACT, ALBERTA IS
[00:09:44] STRONGER WITHIN CANADA. >> Rosemary: THIS HAPPENED, OF
[00:09:47] COURSE, THE SAME WEEK THAT WE SAW THIS REPORTING FROM "THE
[00:09:50] GLOBE AND MAIL" THAT SHOWED THAT ALBERTA SEPARATISTS MET WITH
[00:09:54] STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS THREE TIMES. AND THAT NOT ONLY MET WITH THEM
[00:09:57] AND TALKED TO THEM, BUT SAID, HEY, IF YOU WANT OUR WATER, OUR
[00:10:01] RESOURCE ROYALTIES, WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU IF YOU HELP US.
[00:10:05] WHAT DID YOU -- MAKE OF THAT RET
[00:10:09] THAT ALBERTA SEPARATISTS ARE SEEKING SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES?
[00:10:12] >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S
[00:10:17] PROFOUNDLY IRONIC. I MEAN, HERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE
[00:10:20] COMPLAINING OVER THE FACT THAT
[00:10:22] THEY PERCEIVE -- OR OTTAWA TAKES
[00:10:25] TOO MUCH OUT OF ALBERTA AND
[00:10:28] THEY'RE PLANNING TO FINANCE THEIR DEPARTURE FROM CANADA BY
[00:10:32] TAKING EVEN MORE TO ALBERTA'S
[00:10:34] WEALTH AND GIVING IT TO A
[00:10:38] SOURCE, WHICH IS EVEN FARTHER
[00:10:40] AWAY FROM ALBERTA, OVER WHOM WE HAVE LESS CONTROL IN AGENCY.
[00:10:44] SO IT REALLY GOES TO SHOW THAT
[00:10:46] IT'S NOT ABOUT GROWING THE BEST
[00:10:50] OUTCOMES FOR ALBERTA CITIZENS. IT'S RATHER ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
[00:10:54] SMALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE THINKING THAT THEY HAVE MORE POWER AND
[00:10:58] DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS. SO, ANYWAY, BUT ALSO OF COURSE
[00:11:02] IT'S DEEPLY INAPPROPRIATE. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT AGENTS OF
[00:11:05] THE GOVERNMENT. >> Rosemary: YEAH. >> IT'S HARD TO SAY.
[00:11:07] AS A WHOLE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING
[00:11:10] AT WHETHER THERE'S A LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO PUT IN PLACE TO
[00:11:13] LIMIT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CAPACITY
[00:11:16] TO MAKE ANY KIND OF PROMISE LIKE THAT.
[00:11:20] BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT ANYBODY TOOK THE TIME TO FAKE
[00:11:24] THEIR MEETINGS -- TO TAKE THEIR
[00:11:28] MEETINGS. >> Rosemary: YOU KNOW PREMIER
[00:11:29] SMITH FACED CRITICISM THROUGH THIS.
[00:11:33] LOWER THE THRESHOLD FOR CITIZEN-LED PETITIONS ON SEPARATION.
[00:11:36] SHE HAS A VARIETY OF OTHER QUESTIONS ALBERTANS ARE BEING ASKED.
[00:11:40] JUST CHOOSING TO PUT THIS QUESTION ON THE TABLE.
[00:11:43] DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WAS A MISTAKE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SHE THINKS
[00:11:47] THAT THIS IS -- SHE HOPES THAT THIS WILL SORT OF CLOSE THE
[00:11:51] CONVERSATION IN ALBERTA.
[00:11:53] >> WELL, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THAT POSITION THAT
[00:11:57] OBVIOUSLY SHE HOPES BECAUSE SHE SUPPORTS CANADA.
[00:12:00] BUT HONESTLY I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
[00:12:04] I THINK SOMEBODY THAT SUPPORTS CANADA WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER
[00:12:07] JOB OF SUPPORTING ALBERTA
[00:12:10] STASTAYING IN CANADA THAN THIS PREMIER HAS.
[00:12:13] WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, EVERY TIME SHE'S COMPELLED TO
[00:12:16] MAKE A DECISION ON THE MATTER, SHE'S MADE A DECISION THAT
[00:12:18] SUPPORTS THE SEPARATISTS OR SUPPORTS HER OWN PATH TO
[00:12:22] RETAINING POWER.
[00:12:23] BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAS
[00:12:26] SHE EVER DONE ALBERTA REMAINING IN CANADA.
[00:12:30] THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS, DANIELLE SMITH HAS VERY CLEARLY PAVED THE
[00:12:34] WAY FOR THE SEPARATIST QUESTION ALL ALONG.
[00:12:37] SHE'S NOT IN ANY WAY HOLDING HER CAUCUS OR HER PARTY TO ACCOUNT
[00:12:41] FOR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE
[00:12:44] PURSUING A SEPARATIST AGENDA.
[00:12:46] AND ON TOP OF IT, THIS IS TURNED
[00:12:50] OUT TO BE A HUGE DISTRACTION
[00:12:53] FROM OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE SQUARELY WITHIN THE AREA OF
[00:12:56] RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. WHERE THEY ARE FAILING AND
[00:13:00] ALBERTANS ARE SUFFERING AS A RESULT.
[00:13:03] >> Rosemary: TO BE FAIR, THE PREMIER DID JUST NEGOTIATE THE
[00:13:05] NEXT PHASE OF A SECOND PIPELINE.
[00:13:08] SHE HAS EXTRACTED OTHER THINGS
[00:13:10] FROM OTTAWA THROUGH THE PAST --
[00:13:13] SINCE PRIME MINISTER CARNEY CAME
[00:13:16] INTO OFFICE.
[00:13:18] IS SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO
[00:13:22] BETTER THEIR PROVINCE. DOES IT NOT?
[00:13:24] >> I GUESS -- I MEAN, WHAT I
[00:13:29] WILL SAY IS THAT THOSE PIECES
[00:13:32] ARE THINGS THAT -- YES, IT STRENGTHENS -- IT MAY STRENGTHEN ALBERTA.
[00:13:36] WE'LL SEE. I MEAN, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT ALL
[00:13:38] ENDS UP AT THE END OF THE DAY.
[00:13:41] ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS
[00:13:44] TRYING VERY HARD TO RESPOND TO
[00:13:47] THE CONCERNS OF ALBERTANS THAT
[00:13:49] HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED ACROSS THE BOARD.
[00:13:52] AND I THINK IT'S HARD FOR HER
[00:13:54] NOT TO ENGAGE IN THAT.
[00:13:58] BUT I DON'T SEE THE CALLING OF THE REFERENDUM AS A STRATEGIC
[00:14:01] PLOY ON HER PART TO KILL THE ISSUE.
[00:14:04] I THINK SHE'S BEEN THROWING GAS ON THE FIRE FROM DAY ONE.
[00:14:07] >> Rosemary: SO, YOU KNOW, THE POLLS RIGHT NOW SUGGEST THAT
[00:14:09] THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AHEAD.
[00:14:12] BUT THERE IS CONCERN I THINK
[00:14:15] THAT IF THE PERCENTAGE IS HIGH
[00:14:18] ENOUGH, IT WILL GIVE THE MESSAGE
[00:14:20] THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR
[00:14:23] SEPARATIST PARTY, A POLITICAL MOVEMENT IN ALBERTA.
[00:14:26] DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE?
[00:14:29] DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BECOME SOMETHING MORE FORMALIZED THE
[00:14:32] WAY IT IS IN QUÉBEC?
[00:14:36] >> I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
[00:14:38] RIGHT NOW THE U.C.P. ITSELF IS
[00:14:41] DOMINATED BY SEPARATISTS. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF ONE TAKES THE
[00:14:45] MOST GENEROUS APPROACH TO
[00:14:47] DANIELLE SMITH'S MOTIVATIONS ON
[00:14:51] THIS, THAT GENEROUS APPROACH
[00:14:53] SUGGESTS WHAT SHE'S DOING IS
[00:14:55] SUCCEEDING TO THE DOMINANT INFLUENCES WITHIN THEIR OWN PARTY.
[00:14:59] THEY'VE BEEN CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN ON THIS.
[00:15:03] I THINK THERE'S A STRUCTURAL
[00:15:04] PROBLEM IN THE U.C.P. RIGHT NOW
[00:15:09] BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGHLY CONFLICTED ON THIS MATTER. ROUGHLY 50/50.
[00:15:13] THE ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP AND THE
[00:15:13] SUPPORT GROUP.
[00:15:20] I WISH WE WOULD SEE THE END OF THIS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE PATHWAYS
[00:15:23] FOR THESE FOLKS UNTIL THE PARTY
[00:15:30] REINVENTING ITSELF OR THE GOVERNMENT CHANGES.
[00:15:34] >> Rosemary: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO ALBERTANS, SOME OF WHOM VOTE
[00:15:37] TO GO FORWARD, THEY BELIEVE IT'S A LEVERAGE POINT.
[00:15:40] THEY CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO OTTAWA THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
[00:15:43] YOU I'M SURE ALSO UNDERSTAND
[00:15:47] FRUSTRATIONS THAT SOME ALBERTANS HAVE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM,
[00:15:50] WELL, I JUST WANT TO SEND A
[00:15:52] MESSAGE TO THE FEDERAL
[00:15:56] GOVERNMENT.
[00:15:56] >> I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY STRO-
[00:16:01] STRONGLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RECEIVED THE MESSAGE. I DON'T THINK THIS HELPS.
[00:16:05] I THINK THE MESSAGE BEING SENT RIGHT NOW IS NOT BEING SENT NOT
[00:16:08] TO OTTAWA, BUT TO INVESTORS
[00:16:11] AROUND THE WORLD.
[00:16:14] AND ALSO TO PERSPECTIVE
[00:16:17] EMPLOYEES. AND AS WELL TO CLIENTS AND
[00:16:20] CUSTOMERS AND SUPPLIERS.
[00:16:22] AND THAT MESSAGE IS YOU CANNOT
[00:16:25] COUNT ON THE STABILITY OF ALBERTA. AND YOU CANNOT COUNT ON THE
[00:16:29] STABILITY OF YOUR INVESTMENTS IN ALBERTA.
[00:16:31] SO I THINK THAT THAT -- THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RETHINK WHAT IT
[00:16:35] IS THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING WITH
[00:16:43] FOR YOUR TIME. TO GET THE PERSPECTIVE FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE
[00:16:47] IDEA OF AN INDEPENDENT ALBERTA, I SPOKE WITH THE CO-FOUNDER OF
[00:16:57] >> THANK YOU.
[00:16:59] >> Rosemary: SO YOU ARE VOTING
[00:17:02] IN FAVOUR THE NEXT STEP FOR
[00:17:04] THIS, FOR A REFERENDUM ON
[00:17:08] INDEPENDENCE. TELL ME WHY. TELL ME THE THINGS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
[00:17:11] >> REALLY, MY BIGGEST BEEF AND
[00:17:14] THIS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE
[00:17:17] BEGINNING OF -- HOW WE WERE SET
[00:17:20] UP IN CANADA.
[00:17:21] WE NEED FAIR AND EQUAL
[00:17:25] REPRESENTATION FOR CANADIANS AND
[00:17:26] WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT.
[00:17:30] MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT OUR REPRESENTATION IN THE HOUSE OF
[00:17:33] COMMONS AND THE SENATE IS BASED ON POPULATION. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOUSE
[00:17:36] OF COMMONS, THAT'S ONLY ACTUALLY IN THREE DIFFERENT PROVINCES.
[00:17:39] ALBERTA, B.C., AND ONTARIO.
[00:17:42] EVERY OTHER PROVINCE HAS ONE OR
[00:17:43] TWO SPECIAL CLAUSES APPLIED TO
[00:17:48] THEIR POPULATION NUMBER. WHICH SKEWS THE FAIR AND EQUAL
[00:17:52] REPRESENTATION. THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF POLITICAL GAMES THAT HAVE BEEN USED ON THE
[00:17:56] CANADIAN PEOPLE TO DIVIDE US.
[00:17:59] AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE SIMPLY
[00:18:01] BECAUSE OF THIS ONE FACT. ALL OF THE PROBLEMS ARE A
[00:18:04] SYMPTOM OF THIS ONE PROBLEM. IN THE LAST FEDERAL ELECTION, WE
[00:18:08] ADDED SEATS IN B.C., ALBERTA AND ONTARIO.
[00:18:11] THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE PROVINCES WHERE IT IS STRICTLY POPULATION.
[00:18:15] BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS THOSE SPECIAL CLAUSES APPLIED THAT
[00:18:17] SKEWS THAT IDEA OF FAIRNESS. >> Rosemary: OKAY.
[00:18:21] SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS
[00:18:24] -- WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THEN?
[00:18:26] DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T
[00:18:30] GET -- ALBERTA DOESN'T GET ENOUGH ATTENTION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
[00:18:33] I'M JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE. YEAH.
[00:18:36] >> WELL, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S ATTENTION. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY
[00:18:39] WHAT IT IS. IT'S REPRESENTATION.
[00:18:42] OUR VOICES AND OUR OPINIONS ARE,
[00:18:46] OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR ECONOMIES
[00:18:50] DO NOT COUNT AS MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAKING CERTAIN DECISIONS AS
[00:18:54] OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
[00:18:58] AND AGAIN THAT'S A REFLECTION OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE LIVING UNDER.
[00:19:02] >> Rosemary: AND HOW DOES THAT
[00:19:04] MANIFEST ITSELF DO YOU THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT ALBERTA HAS OR
[00:19:08] DOESN'T HAVE OR NEEDS?
[00:19:10] >> WELL, OUR INDUSTRY, OUR
[00:19:14] AGRICULTURE AND OUR OIL AND GAS
[00:19:17] REPUBLICAN OFTEN THE BRUNT OR
[00:19:21] BLAMED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
[00:19:24] CONDITIONS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LIVED IN MAJOR OIL AND GAS
[00:19:28] COUNTRY AND I HAVE WORKED IN AGRICULTURE.
[00:19:30] AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR
[00:19:33] STANDARDS -- OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ARE WORLD CLASS.
[00:19:35] BUT WE ARE OFTEN BLAMED, YOU
[00:19:37] KNOW, COWS FARTING AND WE NEED
[00:19:47] TO HAVE OUR VOICES ACTUALLY HEARD AND COUNTED JUST AS MUCH
[00:19:51] AS ANY OTHER CANADIANS. >> Rosemary: SURE.
[00:19:54] >> AND THE FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOW, YOU KNOW,
[00:19:57] GREEN LIT ANOTHER PIPELINE, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THIS WEEK A
[00:20:00] COUPLE OF JUDGES WERE NAMED IN
[00:20:02] CONJUNCTION WITH THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT.
[00:20:04] DOES THAT KIND OF STUFF CHANGE
[00:20:07] YOUR PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S LISTENING A LITTLE BIT TO SOME
[00:20:11] OF THOSE CONCERNS? >> WELL, THOSE ARE REALLY NICE
[00:20:15] ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT HAVE COME
[00:20:16] WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF A REFERENDUM
[00:20:20] ON MOVING FORWARD WITH INDEPENDENCE.
[00:20:22] SO I HONESTLY I HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TAKING THEM
[00:20:26] SERIOUSLY. THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS COULD HAVE BEEN MADE MONTHS AGO BUT THEY WERE SAFE FOR NOW.
[00:20:30] THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE POLITICAL GAMES THAT GET
[00:20:33] PLAYED ON THE CANADIAN PEOPLE. ALBERTANS ARE NOT THAT STUPID.
[00:20:36] WE SEE THROUGH IT. >> Rosemary: DO YOU SINCERELY
[00:20:39] WANT A REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDENCE AND INDEPENDENCE?
[00:20:42] OR IS THIS A LEVERAGE MECHANISM, AS IT IS FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE
[00:20:46] VOTING THIS WAY? >> I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE
[00:20:49] ALBERTA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. AND I'VE TAKEN SIX YEARS TO
[00:20:53] STUDY THIS OUT.
[00:20:55] AND I AM TO THE POINT WHERE I
[00:20:57] DON'T BELIEVE THAT AS ALBERTANS WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION. WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OTHER
[00:21:01] OPTIONS IN TRYING TO GET FAIR
[00:21:04] AND EQUAL REPRESENTATION WITHIN CANADA.
[00:21:05] THE REFORM PARTY IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT MANY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER.
[00:21:09] WE SENT THEM TO OTTAWA AS THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
[00:21:14] AND EVEN THEY COULD NOT ACHIEVE
[00:21:16] WHAT WE WERE WANTING WHEN IT
[00:21:19] COMES TO THE SENATE BEING EQUAL
[00:21:21] ELECTED AND EFFECTIVE. >> Rosemary: WHAT WOULD AN INDEPENDENT ALBERTA LOOK LIKE
[00:21:25] FOR YOU, ANGELA?
[00:21:27] >> WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
[00:21:31] ONE, OUR POLITICIANS, THOSE WHO
[00:21:34] ARE MAKE THE RULES AND ENFORCING THEM WOULD BE A LOT CLOSER.
[00:21:37] YOU KNOW WHAT, MY COUNTY COUNCILLOR LIVES DOWN THE ROAD
[00:21:41] FROM ME. IF THEY DO SOMETHING I DON'T
[00:21:44] AGREE WITH, I CAN HAVE A
[00:21:48] CONVERSATION. MARK CARNEY DOESN'T CARE THAT WE EXIST.
[00:21:50] AND SO WE NEED -- IT'S JUST A
[00:21:53] PRINCIPLE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE IS THAT POLITICIANS THAT ARE CLOSE
[00:21:57] TO THE PEOPLE, GIVING AMONG THE
[00:22:01] -- LIVING AMONGST THE PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE ACCOUNTABLE.
[00:22:04] AT THIS POINT AS ALBERTANS, WE
[00:25:29] THANKS FOR WATCHING. BYE-BYE.
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