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[00:00:22] >> [CHANTING] >> Erica: ANTI-I.C.E. PROTESTS CONTINUED IN NEW YORK OVER THE WEEKEND AFTER AN AGENT SHOT A
[00:00:25] MAN WITH HIS 5-YEAR-OLD SON IN THE CAR. IT'S THE LATEST IN DOZENS OF
[00:00:29] I.C.E.-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, INCLUDING TWO FATAL ENCOUNTERS
[00:00:33] IN MINNEAPOLIS IN JANUARY. THOSE VIOLENT CRACKDOWNS CAME AS
[00:00:37] TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION INTENSIFIED ITS DEPORTATION
[00:00:39] PUSH. NOW NEARLY THREE WEEKS BEFORE
[00:00:43] THE U.S. MIDTERMS, KATIE
[00:00:45] NICHOLSON RETURNS TO MINNEAPOLIS
[00:00:48] TO ASK HOW THOSE DEADLY OPERATIONS MIGHT FACTOR INTO HOW
[00:00:52] PEOPLE VOTE IN NOVEMBER.
[00:00:54] >> Reporter: AS I.C.E. AGENTS
[00:00:56] INUNDATED THE TWIN CITIES,
[00:01:00] WHISTLES BLEW AND TEAR GAS
[00:01:02] BILLOWED ACROSS THE STREETS.
[00:01:05] AND THE PEOPLE OF MINNEAPOLIS CLASHED WITH A MAMMOTH IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OPERATION.
[00:01:09] (♪)
[00:01:15] THE SCENES THAT PLAYED OUT ON THESE STREETS INCLUDING THE
[00:01:17] KILLINGS OF U.S. CITIZENS RENEE
[00:01:21] GOOD AND ALEX PREDY DOMINATED
[00:01:26] HEADLINES. NOW MONTHS LATER, COULD THAT IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN
[00:01:30] "OPERATION METRO SURGE" TIP THE SCALES IN A CRUCIAL MIDTERM RACE
[00:01:34] HERE IN MINNESOTA? THE SNOW AND THE ICE LONG GONE,
[00:01:37] BUT THE FEAR LINGERS. DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED HERE
[00:01:41] "OPERATION METRO SURGE" IN ANY
[00:01:44] WAY IMPACTING THE MIDTERMS? >> YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S GALVANISING PEOPLE AND I THINK
[00:01:48] THAT IT'S ALSO SCARING PEOPLE. SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOTIVATED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NEED TO STEP UP, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE
[00:01:52] MIGHT BE AFRAID TO EVEN COME OUT.
[00:01:56] >> Reporter: THERE'S A CRUCIAL SEAT UP FOR GRABS THAT COULD DETERMINE WHO HAS CONTROL OF THE
[00:01:59] SENATE. DONALD TRUMP'S REPUBLICANS OR THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:02:03] (♪)
[00:02:07] THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO LIMIT MAIL-IN VOTING AND ACCESS STATE VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION AND
[00:02:11] THERE ARE FEARS THAT IT MAY DEPLOY I.C.E. OR OTHER FEDERAL
[00:02:14] AGENTS TO THE POLLS. >> YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!
[00:02:18] >> [WHISTLE]
[00:02:22] >> WHAT, YOU DON'T LIKE A
[00:02:23] WHISTLE?
[00:02:26] >> IT FELT LIKE THE WORLD WAS ENDING OR IT FELT LIKE MY WORLD
[00:02:29] WAS ENDING.
[00:02:35] >> Reporter:SHEA RUSHED OUT
[00:02:37] INTO THE STREET WHEN I.C.E. OFFICERS
[00:02:41] CAME FOR HER NEIGHBOURS. >> DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING GOOD, THAT THIS IS GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTRY?
[00:02:44] OH, YOU CAN LOOK AT ME.
[00:02:46] I'VE NOT EXPERIENCED FEDERAL
[00:02:48] AGENT INTERVENTION IN THAT WAY.
[00:02:51] AND I NEVER THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE SO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE. (♪)
[00:02:54] >> Reporter: SHEA IS ONE OF THOUSANDS OF MINNESOTANS WHO
[00:02:56] SIGNED UP FOR TRAINING TO OBSERVE I.C.E.
[00:03:00] SHE'S TRAINED TO BECOME WHAT
[00:03:04] GRASSROOTS CALL DEMOCRACY DEFENDERS AND THEY ARE ORGANIZING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO VOTE IS
[00:03:07] PROTECTED.
[00:03:09] "OPERATION METRO SURGE," WHAT
[00:03:12] ROLE DID THAT PLAY IN YOUR
[00:03:13] DECISION TO BE A DEMOCRACY
[00:03:17] DEFENDER? >> EVER SINCE "METRO SURGE"
[00:03:20] HAPPENED, I HAVE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON HOW WE
[00:03:24] DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THE NEXT THREAT. IT'S A REALLY HARD CONVERSATION ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT IS POSSIBLE
[00:03:27] FOR US WHEN WE'VE ALREADY SEEN STATE VIOLENCE TAKE AWAY TWO
[00:03:31] MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
[00:03:35] SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THESE
[00:03:36] CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT
[00:03:40] IS YOUR RISK LEVEL IF THAT WERE TO BE THE SITUATION AT THE
[00:03:41] POLLS. YOU KNOW, IF THEY TRY AND CHARGE
[00:03:45] AND TAKE A BALLOT BOX, IF THEY PHYSICALLY STOP PEOPLE FROM
[00:03:47] ENTERING THE POLLS. >> Reporter: AND SO THESE
[00:03:50] HANDWRITTEN NOTES TO NEIGHBOURS.
[00:03:53] >> HI, NEIGHBOUR, SOUTHEAST NEIGHBOURS FOR DEMOCRACY DEFENCE
[00:03:56] IS A GROUP IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD
[00:03:58] WORKING TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN VOTE SAFELY IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.
[00:04:02] >> Reporter: ENLISTING OTHERS TO SECURE THE VOTE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GO AROUND
[00:04:05] AND MEET NEIGHBOURS TO TALK ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT WE MIGHT DO.
[00:04:09] LIKE, IF I.C.E. WERE TO SHOW UP
[00:04:10] AT THE POLLS OR, YOU KNOW, IF,
[00:04:15] LIKE, THE ADMINISTRATION WERE TO STEW MORE CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO VOTE.
[00:04:18] ARE YOU GUYS INTERESTED AT ALL? >> YEAH. >> AND BEING IN THE NETWORK? GREAT.
[00:04:21] >> HI.
[00:04:27] >> Reporter: STEVE SIMON IS MINNESOTA'S SECRETARY OF STATE.
[00:04:30] ONE OF HIS JOBS -- MAINTAINING THE FAIR AND FREE ACCESS TO THE
[00:04:33] VOTE NO MATTER WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN -- STORMS, OODS, POWER OUTAGES AND NOW A NEW
[00:04:37] POSSIBILITY.
[00:04:42] >> I'VE HAD THIS JOB FOR A WHILE AND NEVER, EVER BEFORE HAVE I
[00:04:45] HAD TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE
[00:04:49] PROSPECT THAT OUR OWN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL BE AN INSTIGATOR OF SOMETHING THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THE FREEDOM TO
[00:04:52] VOTE. >> Reporter: WHAT ARE THE
[00:04:56] CONTINGENCY PLANS THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF FEDERAL OVERREACH?
[00:04:59] >> SO JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OUR STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I
[00:05:03] MET WITH OTHER ATTORNEY GENERALS AND SECRETARIES OF STATE IN DETROIT.
[00:05:06] SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE THAT WE MET IN MILWAUKEE AND WE HAD TO THINK
[00:05:09] ABOUT AND TO PLAN FOR VARIOUS SCENARIOS THAT WOULD INCLUDE
[00:05:12] FEDERAL INTERFERENCE. NOW I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR -- THIS
[00:05:15] ISN'T A PREDICTION ON OUR PART,
[00:05:17] BUT IT IS A PRECAUTION THAT WE
[00:05:20] FEEL WE HAVE TO TAKE. >> Reporter: AND AS IT TURNS OUT, MINNEAPOLIS COULD PLAY A
[00:05:23] PIVOTAL ROLE IN THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON. WITH A SENATE SEAT UP FOR GRABS.
[00:05:27] >> AND THEN YOU'VE GOT FLANAGAN --
[00:05:30] >> Reporter: LARRY JACOBS IS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST AT THE
[00:05:34] UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. >> MINNESOTA COULD BE THE
[00:05:37] DECIDER. IT HAD BEEN ASSUMED THAT
[00:05:40] MINNESOTA WOULD BE SAFELY DEMOCRATIC IN TERMS OF A NEW
[00:05:43] SENATOR BEING ELECTED, BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING POLLS AND IT'S A TOSS-UP.
[00:05:46] SO THAT'S GOING TO BE PERHAPS A
[00:05:51] DECIDING FACTOR IN WHETHER THE DEMOCRATS AND DONALD TRUMP MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE U.S. SENATE.
[00:05:55] >> I WILL PROTECT WHAT'S FAIR AND SAFE, STANDING WITH OUR LAW
[00:05:57] ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
[00:05:59] >> Reporter: REPUBLICAN MICHELE TAFOYA, A WELL-KNOWN FORMER NFL
[00:06:03] REPORTER SURPRISINGLY
[00:06:09] NECK-IN-NECK WITH DEMOCRAT PEGGY
[00:06:12] FLANAGAN IN A SEAT CONSIDERED
[00:06:16] NORMALLY SAFE FOR DEMOCRATS. >> WE NEED TO STOP THEM FROM
[00:06:19] TERRORIZING OUR COMMUNITIES. >> Reporter:BOTH RUNNING ON
[00:06:22] PLATFORMS THAT INCLUDE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, BUT
[00:06:25] WITH VERY DIFFERENT STANCES.
[00:06:28] BUT JUST HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE
[00:06:30] THAT "METRO SURGE" WILL BE IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS IS HARD TO KNOW.
[00:06:33] >>> WE'VE HAD A WAR IN IRAN AND WE'VE GOT GAS PRICES GOING THROUGH THE ROOF. SO THE "METRO SURGE" HAS FADED I
[00:06:37] THINK IN THE MINDS OF A GOOD
[00:06:38] NUMBER OF VOTERS.
[00:06:43] >> Reporter: AND HE SAYS THAT DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE HAVE LOST GROUND OVER OTHER ISSUES. >> WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT THE
[00:06:47] REPUBLICAN CRITICISM OF THE DEMOCRATS IN MINNESOTA FOR
[00:06:50] FRAUD, WASTEFUL SPENDING, HAS
[00:06:53] REALLY BEGUN TO CATCH UP. >> Reporter: MANY OF THE
[00:06:56] CONSERVATIVE-LEANING IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES WHO HELPED PROPEL
[00:06:59] THE REPUBLICANS TO POWER IN
[00:07:03] 2024, LATINOS AND AFRICAN AND ARAB VOTERS, WERE CAUGHT IN THE
[00:07:05] CROSSHAIRS OF "METRO SURGE."
[00:07:09] WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES THAT
[00:07:11] WERE TARGETED BY I.C.E., COULD
[00:07:14] THAT BE AN X FACTOR IN THE SENATE RACE, FOR EXAMPLE? >> WE MAY HAVE A VERY, VERY
[00:07:18] CLOSE SENATE RACE DECIDED BY A SMALL PERCENT. AND THE IMPACT OF DONALD TRUMP'S
[00:07:21] "METRO SURGE" AND THE
[00:07:24] IMMIGRATION POLICY IN GENERAL
[00:07:25] COULD BE JUST WHAT IS NEEDED TO
[00:07:28] TIP THE RACE AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICANS AND TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:07:32] (♪)
[00:07:38] >> Reporter: ONE OF THOSE
[00:07:39] GROUPS, THE SOMALI COMMUNITY.
[00:07:42] >> INHERENTLY SOMALIS ARE A VERY RELIGIOUS AND VERY CONSERVATIVE
[00:07:46] COMMUNITY AND THAT CONSERVATISM
[00:07:48] DROVE ME TO THE REPUBLICAN
[00:07:50] PARTY. ♪ AND I WON'T FORGET THE MEN WHO
[00:07:54] DIED ♪ >> Reporter: SIMON FEKI EVEN
[00:07:57] RALLIED FOR THE GOP AND THAT'S HIM STANDING BEHIND TRUMP IN
[00:08:01] JULY 2024.
[00:08:04] MINNESOTA HAS THE LARGEST SOMALI POPULATION IN THE U.S.
[00:08:07] PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP REPEATEDLY TARGETED AND INSULTED
[00:08:10] THEM DURING "METRO SURGE."
[00:08:13] >> President Trump: THE
[00:08:17] SOMALIANS SHOULD BE OUT OF HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THE WRONG
[00:08:20] WAY IF WE KEEP TAKING IN GARBAGE.
[00:08:24] >> Reporter: CAUSING SIMON TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT HE VOTED. WHEN WAS THE MOMENT YOU THAT TURNED AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
[00:08:27] DO YOU REMEMBER THAT MOMENT? >> THE MOMENT IS WHEN TRUMP WAS SITTING IN HIS OFFICE AND HE
[00:08:31] CALLED THE SOMALI COMMUNITY
[00:08:31] GARBAGE.
[00:08:36] THAT WAS THE THING THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK.
[00:08:40] >> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THAT THE SOMALI VOTE COULD BE THE
[00:08:42] TIPPING POINT HERE FOR THE DEMOCRATS IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP
[00:08:46] IN THE NUMBERS THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY HAVE FOR REPUBLICANS?
[00:08:49] >> SOMALIS ARE TYPICALLY VERY
[00:08:52] POLITICALLY ENGAGED AND
[00:08:54] ESPECIALLY IF THEY -- IF THEY
[00:08:58] FEEL A THREAT, AND THEN THEY
[00:09:00] RESPOND IN THE ELECTIONS.
[00:09:03] >> Reporter: AS IT TURNS OUT THAT SOME OTHER MINNESOTANS FEEL THE SAME WAY, EVEN IF IT ISN'T
[00:09:07] THE DOMINANT ISSUE AT HAND.
[00:09:11] >> "METRO SURGE" IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE FACTORS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
[00:09:14] PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU READ YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT'S
[00:09:18] HAPPENING.
[00:09:23] >> Reporter: AND YET DESPITE THE STEADY DRUMBEAT OF NEW CONTROVERSIES AND OUTRAGE, IT IS
[00:09:27] CLEAR THAT AS MINNESOTANS STILL VISIT THE MEMORIALS TO TWO OF
[00:09:30] THEIR OWN KILLED BY FEDERAL OFFICERS, THE RIPPLE EFFECTS
[00:09:33] FROM "METRO SURGE" VARIED AND
[00:09:37] PROFOUND AND HARD FOR MANY TO IGNORE AS THE STATE STARTS TO
[00:09:39] VOTE.
[00:09:44] A SIGN OF HIGH ENGAGEMENT AND PERHAPS ANXIETY ABOUT
[00:09:46] INTERFERENCE ON ELECTION DAY.
[00:09:50] NUMBERS FROM MINNESOTA'S SECRETARY OF STATE SHOW THAT SO FAR THAT
[00:09:54] THE EARLY VOTER TURNOUT FOR MIDTERMS IS 28% HIGHER IN THE FIRST THREE WEEKS OF EARLY
[00:09:58] VOTING THAN IT WAS DURING THE
[00:10:00] 2022 MIDTERMS. THIS AS THE U.S. PRESIDENT AR
[00:10:03] RENEWED ATTACKS ON SOMALIS AND
[00:10:06] TRUMP EVEN OFFERED TO SEND IN FEDERAL HELP.
[00:10:10] >> Erica:AND, KATIE, IN THE LAST FEW DAYS WE HAVE SEEN THAT I.C.E. SHOOTING IN NEW YORK AND REKINDLING
[00:10:14] MEMORIES OF MINNEAPOLIS.
[00:10:17] HOW COULD THAT WEIGH ON VOTERS? >> Reporter: YEAH, SO THIS IS
[00:10:21] SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSSED WITH LARRY JACOBS, THE POLITICAL
[00:10:24] SCIENTIST IN MINNESOTA.
[00:10:27] AND HE SAYS THAT IN AMERICAN ELECTIONS ESPECIALLY
[00:10:30] THERE'S A CONCEPT CALLED THE
[00:10:33] REGENCY EFFECT, AND THAT SHOWS THAT EVENTS BEFORE ELECTION DAY HAVE AN
[00:10:37] OUTSIZED IMPACT ON THE VOTE. SO POTENTIALLY NEW I.C.E. INCIDENTS LIKE THE ONE IN NEW YORK -- THESE ARE RESURFACING
[00:10:40] THE TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION AGENDA IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS.
[00:10:43] SO EVEN THOUGH POLLING TELLS US THAT
[00:10:46] AFFORDABILITY AND THE WAR IN IRAN ARE ISSUES, VOTERS ARE REMINDED OF ANOTHER ISSUE TO
[00:10:49] MOTIVATE THAT VOTE AND THIS TIME
[00:10:51] IT'S NOT JUST IN MINNEAPOLIS. >> Erica: ALL RIGHT, THANKS,
[00:10:55] KATIE.
[00:10:55] KATIE NICHOLSON IN WASHINGTON.
[00:10:59] >>> COMING UP, WHY A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW WEST COAST PIPELINE IS
[00:11:03] STIRRING DEBATE IN ALBERTA OVER AN OLD ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE --
[00:11:06] TOXIC MINING WASTE. >> THE PROBLEM ISN'T GOING AWAY,
[00:11:10] BUT GETTING WORSE. THE AMOUNT OF TAILINGS FLUID
[00:11:13] KEEPS INCREASING.
[00:11:16] >> Erica: KYLE BAKX BREAKS DOWN WHAT TAILINGS PONDS ARE AND HOW
[00:11:20] TO FIX THEM AND WHY IT'S AT THE HEART OF THE CONFLICT.
[00:14:29] >> Erica: OTTAWA IS BACKING A NEW WEST COAST OIL PIPELINE, BUT
[00:14:32] IT IS REKINDLING OLD TENSION OVER ALBERTA'S OILSANDS TAILINGS
[00:14:35] PONDS. LAKES CREATED TO STORE TOXIC
[00:14:38] MINING WASTE, NOW AT CAPACITY.
[00:14:42] AS KYLE BAKX TELLS US, THERE'S AGREEMENT A SOLUTION IS NEEDED, BUT HOW TO ACHIEVE IT GETS
[00:14:45] CONTROVERSIAL.
[00:14:51] >> Rt. Hon. Mark Carney:THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DAY FOR ALBERTA AND FOR CANADA.
[00:14:55] >> Reporter: BOLD AMBITIONS TO
[00:14:55] GROW THE OILSANDS IS ADDING
[00:15:00] URGENCY TO RESOLVE A DECADES OLD PROBLEM -- TAILINGS PONDS.
[00:15:04] >> WE CAN'T ALLOW TO GO ANYMORE TIME. THEY ARE AT CAPACITY. >> Reporter: THEY HOLD TOXIC MINING WATER AND NOW OILSANDS
[00:15:07] COMPANIES ARE EAGER FOR GOVERNMENT APPROVAL TO TREAT THE
[00:15:11] FLUID AND RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE RIVER.
[00:15:14] >> IT IS A SITUATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. >> Reporter: CONTROVERSIAL, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO LIVE
[00:15:18] DOWNSTREAM.
[00:15:20] BUT FOR INDUSTRY -- SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE.
[00:15:23] >> THESE TAILINGS FACILITIES ARE NOT MEANT TO BE PERMANENT PARTS
[00:15:25] OF THE LANDSCAPE.
[00:15:30] >> Reporter: ALL DAY, EVERY DAY,
[00:15:32] EVERY FEW SECONDS, AIR CANNONS FIRE.
[00:15:35] ALONG WITH SCARECROWS TO KEEP
[00:15:37] THE WILDLIFE FROM LANDING.
[00:15:39] TAILINGS PONDS ARE TOXIC AND HAVE BEEN EVER SINCE THE FIRST
[00:15:43] OILSANDS MINE WAS BUILT SIX DECADES AGO.
[00:15:46] THE PROBLEM ISN'T GOING AWAY. BUT GETTING WORSE.
[00:15:49] THE AMOUNT OF TAILINGS FLUID KEEPS INCREASING, AND JUMPING BY
[00:15:53] 50% OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD FROM
[00:15:56] 2014 TO 2024.
[00:15:59] NUMBERS THAT WILL ONLY GROW AS ALBERTA DEVELOPS A NEW PIPELINE
[00:16:02] TO THE WEST COAST.
[00:16:04] WITH OTTAWA'S SUPPORT. AND PURSUES AN AMBITIOUS GROWTH
[00:16:07] PLAN FOR THE OILPATCH. >> WE ARE DETERMINED TO MAKE THE
[00:16:10] MOST OF THE OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE
[00:16:12] US AND TO DELIVER ON OUR AMBITION TO DOUBLE ALBERTA'S OIL
[00:16:15] PRODUCTION. >> Reporter: THE PROVINCE AND
[00:16:18] INDUSTRY ARE PUSHING FOR THE SAME SOLUTION -- KNOWN AS TREAT
[00:16:21] AND RELEASE.
[00:16:23] ESSENTIALLY, USE TECHNOLOGY TO
[00:16:27] FILTER AND TO CLEAN UP THE WATER, AND THEN POUR IT BACK INTO THE
[00:16:30] ATHABASCA RIVER.
[00:16:34] FOR LINY HANSON, ATHABASCA HAS
[00:16:35] ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF HIS LIFE.
[00:16:39] >> THIS RIVER HOUSES A LOT OF WILDLIFE.
[00:16:42] >> Reporter:FOR 33 YEARS HE WORKED IN THE OILSANDS.
[00:16:44] AND NOW IN RETIREMENT IS A TOUR GUIDE.
[00:16:48] >> I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I HAVE SEEN WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT AND I THINK THAT IT'S A REALLY GOOD
[00:16:51] PROCESS.
[00:16:54] >> Reporter: THERE IS SO MUCH BITUMEN IN THE AREA, INCLUDING
[00:16:57] ON RIVERBANKS, THAT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO NATURALLY BE
[00:16:59] SOME OIL IN THE RIVER.
[00:17:04] TREATED WATER FOR HIM IS NO CONCERN. >> IT'S GOING TO BE CLEANER THAN THE WATER THAT IS HERE.
[00:17:07] >> THE TREAT AND RELEASE DISCUSSION IS WHITE HOT IN THIS REGION.
[00:17:10] >> Reporter: IT'S ALSO A NON-STARTER, SAYS THIS MÉTIS
[00:17:12] LEADER.
[00:17:15] HE'S PART OF A COMPANY THAT AIMS TO TREAT TAILINGS PONDS BUT THE WATER WOULD THEN BE REUSED AND
[00:17:18] NOT DISCHARGED.
[00:17:21] >> LIVING IN THE HEART OF THE
[00:17:28] OILSANDS, WE HAVE HAD GENERATIONAL TRAUMA ASSOCIATED WITH WATER.
[00:17:32] RELEASE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MY OWNERSHIP AND MY LEADERSHIP AND
[00:17:34] MY COMMUNITY COULD EVER SUPPORT.
[00:17:39] >> TAILINGS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN OF OURS. >> Reporter: IF ANYTHING, THIS FIRST NATION'S CHIEF WANTS
[00:17:42] OILSANDS DEVELOPMENT TO SLOW
[00:17:43] DOWN, NOT SPEED UP.
[00:17:47] >> DOUBLING MEANS DOUBLING THE
[00:17:52] SIZE OF TAILINGS POND TODAY. AND IT MEANS
[00:17:56] DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF WATER DRAW AND DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF EMISSIONS SO DOUBLING THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WE SEE.
[00:17:59] >> Reporter: THE PROSPECT OF THE
[00:18:01] TAILINGS WATER BEING TREATED AND RELEASED BACK INTO THE RIVER IS A THREAT,
[00:18:05] SHE SAYS, TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN HER COMMUNITY. TAILINGS HOLD VAST AMOUNTS OF SALT, HEAVY METALS AND
[00:18:08] HYDROCARBONS.
[00:18:12] A RISK THAT SHE SAYS FROM HUMAN
[00:18:13] HEALTH TO AQUATIC LIFE.
[00:18:16] >> IT IS A SITUATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM.
[00:18:19] WE OFTEN SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THE RIVERS
[00:18:23] FLEW IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO NON-INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES,
[00:18:27] WOULD THINGS BE LIKE THIS? >> Reporter: HER COMMUNITY HAS
[00:18:30] BEEN INVOLVED IN TALKS WITH GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY ABOUT
[00:18:33] THIS PROBLEM FOR MANY YEARS. BUT SHE NOW FEELS POLITICAL
[00:18:36] PRESSURE TO ACT. >> IT'S GOING TO TAKE AS LONG AS
[00:18:39] IT TAKES TO DEVELOP STRONG REGULATIONS, TO PROTECT WHAT
[00:18:43] MATTERS MOST TO YOUR NATION. AND NOW IT'S LIKE HURRY UP, GET IT DONE.
[00:18:47] >> Reporter: THE OILSANDS IS THE ONLY INDUSTRY IN THE COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE
[00:18:51] TREATED WATER. A COMPLETE BAN FOR THIS ONE
[00:18:53] SECTOR. >> WE CANNOT SAY TO INDUSTRY
[00:18:57] THAT WE WANT YOU TO DOUBLE PRODUCTION AND THEN NOT GIVE
[00:19:00] THEM THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO PROPER TREAT AND RELEASE. >> Reporter: THE ALBERTA
[00:19:03] GOVERNMENT IS READY TO MOVE. IT NEEDS OTTAWA'S HELP THOUGH,
[00:19:07] SINCE THE WATERWAYS FALL UNDER FEDERAL JURISDICTION.
[00:19:11] >> WE CAN'T ALLOW TO GO ANYMORE TIME. THEY ARE AT CAPACITY. >> Reporter: THE COMPANIES SAY
[00:19:14] THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE
[00:19:16] EXPERTISE TO TREAT THE TAILINGS.
[00:19:19] WHAT THEY NEED IS REGULATIONS SO THEY KNOW WHAT STANDARDS HAVE TO
[00:19:22] BE REACHED IN ORDER FOR THE WATER TO BE RELEASED BACK INTO THE RIVER.
[00:19:26] VARIOUS TECHNOLOGIES ARE BEING TESTED AND DEVELOPED, WHICH
[00:19:30] SCIENTISTS HAVE SAID THAT ARE PROMISING. VARIOUS AIR AND WATER MONITORING
[00:19:32] PROGRAMMES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
[00:19:36] >> IF WE TAKE THESE ELEMENTS TOGETHER, WE THINK THAT GIVES CONFIDENCE THAT A TREATMENT
[00:19:39] TECHNOLOGY IS EFFECTIVE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTIVE AND
[00:19:43] CAPABLE OF DELIVERING LONG-TERM RESULTS.
[00:19:46] >> WE HAVE SOME EXPERTS -- >> Reporter: PART OF THEIR PUSH IS THE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE
[00:19:49] LAND.
[00:19:50] >> AND THESE TAILINGS FACILITIES
[00:19:53] ARE NOT MEANT TO BE PERMANENT PARTS OF THE LANDSCAPE IN THE
[00:19:55] REGION.
[00:19:58] WE HAVE FULL INTENTIONS OF ACTUALLY TURNING THOSE TAILINGS
[00:20:02] PONDS INTO RECLAIMED SITES. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR
[00:20:06] THAT TREAT AND RELEASE. >> Reporter: BY THE END OF THE YEAR THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT
[00:20:09] PLANS TO LAY OUT EXACTLY WHAT QUALITY STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET
[00:20:12] FOR THE WATER TO BE RELEASED.
[00:20:16] THEN IT'S UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ADOPT THOSE REGULATIONS, SUGGEST CHANGES, OR
[00:20:19] KEEP THE BAN IN PLACE.
[00:20:21] FOR NOW OTTAWA IS TIGHT-LIPPED. THE FEDERAL ENVIRONMENT MINISTER
[00:20:25] REFUSED INTERVIEW REQUESTS. THE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T PROVIDE
[00:20:28] ANY TIMELINE ON A DECISION.
[00:20:30] THE NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER WOULDN'T PROVIDE ANY SPECIFICS
[00:20:32] EITHER. >> WE WILL DO THE WORK TO MAKE
[00:20:36] SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO
[00:20:39] TAILINGS PONDS. >> Reporter: THERE'S NO CLEAR
[00:20:42] DIRECTION FROM WHAT OTTAWA WILL DO AS THE PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BUILD.
[00:20:46] >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE THESE THINGS SERIOUSLY.
[00:20:50] >> THE SOLUTION ISN'T TO JUST KEEP DOING NOTHING AND PUT OUR
[00:20:51] HEAD IN THE SAND.
[00:20:54] THE SOLUTION IS TO PROVE OUT THE SCIENCE AND THAT CAN BE DONE.
[00:20:57] WE'RE VERY INNOVATIVE PEOPLE.
[00:21:00] >> Erica: AND THE ISSUE MAY EVENTUALLY END UP IN THE COURTS
[00:21:02] WITH THE ATHABASCA CHIPPEWAYAN
[00:21:05] FIRST NATIONS SAYING THAT IT'S READY TO BATTLE THE PROVINCIAL
[00:21:08] GOVERNMENT TO STOP MINING WASTEWATER FROM THE OILSANDS
[00:21:12] ENTERING ITS WATERSHED.
[00:21:15] >>> COMING UP, A NEWFOUNDLANDER RECEIVES A RANDOM PHONE CALL.
[00:21:18] >> HELLO. >> HEY, WHO'S THIS? >> OH.
[00:21:21] >> OH, MY -- PAUL? >> I THINK THAT YOU GOT THE
[00:21:24] WRONG -- >> I HAVE CHUBBY FINGERS. >> Erica: THEIR CHAT COMING UP
[00:21:28] NEXT IN OUR "MOMENT." (♪)
[00:24:46] >> Erica: THIS IS PAUL MATTHEWS AND HE LIVES IN BRIGUS,
[00:24:47] NEWFOUNDLAND.
[00:24:52] HE RECEIVED A CALL FROM AN UNFAMILIAR NUMBER AND WITHOUT THINKING TWICE, HE PICKED UP.
[00:24:56] ON THE OTHER END, THE CAST FROM A NEW SERIES CALLED "BLOW," FILMED IN HIS HOMETOWN.
[00:25:00] SO TONIGHT THEIR SPONTANEOUS CALL MAKES OUR "MOMENT."
[00:25:03] >> HELLO? >> HEY, WHO'S THIS? >> OH.
[00:25:07] >> PAUL?
[00:25:11] >> YOU SOUND SWEET BUT I THINK YOU GOT IT WRONG.
[00:25:15] >> I HAVE CHUBBY FINGERS AND I MUST HAVE PUT THE WRONG NUMBERS IN THERE.
[00:25:18] >> THE PHONE RANG AND I PICKED
[00:25:20] IT UP ABSENT MINDEDLY.
[00:25:24] AND JACK CONTACTS PEOPLE, AND SHE ENDED UP CALLING MY NUMBER.
[00:25:28] >> IT'S INTERESTING, I WAS LISTENING TO THE RADIO AND THEY
[00:25:30] HAD THIS LADY ON AND AS SORT OF A HOBBY SHE COLD CALLS PEOPLE.
[00:25:34] AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF TODAY I
[00:25:37] JUST PICKED UP THE PHONE AND IT
[00:25:39] IS YOU.
[00:25:44] >> THAT'S THE LONELY WOMAN WHO CALLS PEOPLE WHO IS CALLING YOU RIGHT NOW. >> I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING? >> CLEANING BLUEBERRIES.
[00:25:47] >> SHE WAS IN SOME WAY ASSOCIATED WITH "BLOW" FILMING IN BRIGUS.
[00:25:50] >> WE THOUGHT THAT WE'D CALL NEWFOUNDLAND AND SAY HELLO TO
[00:25:52] THE CAST.
[00:25:56] >> A TAX ON ALL OF YOU. [LAUGHTER]
[00:25:59] >> IN BRIGUS, YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SAY HELLO TO WHOEVER YOU MEET.
[00:26:02] THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
[00:26:05] >> LOVE YA', AND THANK YOU FOR PAINTING US A PICTURE. AND THIS WAS THE
[00:26:09] BEST WRONG NUMBER THAT I HAVE EVER CALLED. >> Erica: WELL, PAUL JOKED WITH OUR PRODUCER THAT HE MAY BE A BIT MORE RELUCTANT ABOUT ANSWERING THE PHONE IN THE
[00:26:13] FUTURE. IN FACT, HE IS CONSIDERING TO
[00:26:17] MIGHT EVEN GET RID OF HIS LANDLINE ALL TOGETHER.
[00:26:20] WHICH, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF SCAM
[00:26:23] CALLS THAT ARE HAPPENING THESE
[00:26:26] DAYS, IT MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A BAD IDEA, PAUL. >>> FROM ALL OF US AT "THE NATIONAL," THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
[00:26:30] I'M ERICA JOHNSON IN VANCOUVER. TAKE CARE.
[00:26:31] (♪)
[00:26:35] (♪)
[00:30:20] (♪) >> Erica: TONIGHT, ANOTHER DEADLY
[00:30:23] STRIKE ON A SAUDI AIRPORT JUST ONE DAY AFTER AN ATTACK ON A
[00:30:26] MAJOR PASSENGER TERMINAL.
[00:30:31] >> THIS IS A CONFLICT THAT HAS DEEP ROOTS AND IT'S BEEN REIGNITED.
[00:30:35] >> Erica:THE TERRIFYING MOMENTS AND THE ESCALATING VIOLENCE BETWEEN
[00:30:39] SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN-BACKED
[00:30:42] HOUTHI REBELS. AND THE THREAT THAT MORE COUNTRIES COULD BE
[00:30:45] DRAGGED INTO THE CONFLICT.
[00:30:48] >>> PLUS, HURRICANE SIMON SLAMS INTO MEXICO'S PACIFIC COAST.
[00:30:52] >> WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEE A LOT OF HURRICANES IMPACTING THE