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[00:00:00] manage, it is going to st up anger. if you look at what
[00:00:02] of even the uh,
[00:00:04] Jesus the Northern youth council of Nigeria said through the
[00:00:08] president Isakar yesterday with the statement the
[00:00:11] of issued, they are rally support for cardinal John and the middle
[00:00:15] b forum is doing the same thing, so if that
[00:00:17] of is of happening, you can see that it is already
[00:00:19] me generating very negative feedback, and that is not good
[00:00:23] for
[00:00:24] a sitting president who wants to win re-election. all
[00:00:27] right, well I think the one with the... pastor div, i think they
[00:00:31] said it was a prayer walk, not the protest, but
[00:00:34] that the one with pastor tun, joined the
[00:00:37] protest, i think
[00:00:43] a of in ajota area, just to put context, let's go to the guardian newspaper, mr ak uh, is leading with something different because there's nothing to add, i think we've said this
[00:00:47] over and over again, in fact when we started
[00:00:49] of this morning, i was just giving my own two
[00:00:53] cents on some people who move from disagreement
[00:00:56] with
[00:00:58] of the the lord spiritual cardinal. kong to literally
[00:01:01] insult and calling names, which is very, very detasteful and very
[00:01:05] poor coming from certain persons, you wouldn't expect them to use
[00:01:09] those kind of words. uh, let's go to the guardian,
[00:01:13] 40% salary incre increase
[00:01:16] agreement, 57 state versities, others
[00:01:19] in limbo over selective implementation, the guardian
[00:01:23] always doing the young man's job, state stagnation and research, 57 state universities in
[00:01:27] limbo with all
[00:01:28] of the data, uh, they've displayd in terms of federal gains
[00:01:32] and many others. what do you make of this story is a page six
[00:01:36] read on the front page
[00:01:38] of the guardian? if you can do that in one minute sir. well,
[00:01:42] that's vintage the guardian. was a deputy editor
[00:01:45] and ship
[00:01:47] of of the guardian at the
[00:01:48] of time. the guardian has
[00:01:49] a reputation for investigative reports, for using data to test
[00:01:52] stories, you so, but with the relevance of this story
[00:01:56] of is not
[00:01:56] of lost on every worker in Nigeria, even
[00:01:59] in beyond the university. is uh we all know that the current wages
[00:02:03] across board you know
[00:02:05] of whether you civil servant the formal and informal sector
[00:02:08] of is the purchasing power is low and that is why many
[00:02:12] Nigerians are being pushed into multidimensional poverty so this
[00:02:16] a is
[00:02:16] a relevant story and I think the government has
[00:02:18] a responsibility to actually interrogate the way structure
[00:02:21] across board in Nigeria with inflation eating deep and the prices of goods
[00:02:25] and services of course getting beyond the reach
[00:02:29] of the average. Nigerian, it's a strategic story that should
[00:02:33] draw the attention of uh the government in my
[00:03:00] Okay, there's a video that came out the other day and it
[00:03:03] was he wasn't holding back, this
[00:03:08] a of proposal about banning preaching in bosses and hawking, he said the christians are not going to have
[00:03:11] it, well the senator said, I think
[00:03:15] of is the senate leader said, didn't bring this, it's been in the law, they just
[00:03:19] changed the itemization, well whatever
[00:03:21] it is, the bishop is not having it that Christians will
[00:03:25] continue to do their evangelical work if that
[00:03:45] church, they were being persecuted, they were told
[00:03:48] of not to preach
[00:03:50] of of again, just like the senate of Nigeria, Federal Republic, now they are telling not to
[00:03:53] preaching bus, make all the stadium in Nigeria to become
[00:03:57] a prison, if
[00:03:58] you want to enforce that law, we are coming or we we
[00:04:02] break that law. our master told us to go into other
[00:04:05] world and preach the gospel to every creature. you sit somewhere
[00:04:09] there and you say we shouldn't preach in boss buses. we will
[00:04:13] preaching buses, we preach
[00:04:16] of everywhere of because you are evil, making evil
[00:04:19] decrease, evil. we will rather obey god than man.
[00:04:23] that's what our fathers
[00:04:24] of told them in those days, you better tell them. no pentecostal must listen to
[00:04:28] that, and the national fellowship on Nigeria, I
[00:04:32] lead over 65 million people, everybody, go into every
[00:04:36] taxi, go into every buss and preach, let them arrest
[00:04:39] us, let them turn national
[00:04:42] of stadium lagos into prison, I will come there, let them turn
[00:04:45] national abuja into prison, I'll come, let them build more prison,
[00:04:49] they will be the one that will go there and they will rot
[00:04:52] of there, and God will judge
[00:04:54] of them, you don't go after killers, you don't go after those that are
[00:04:58] beheading, you don't go after rap. you don't go after
[00:05:01] kidnappers, you don't go after bandits who are unlawfully
[00:05:05] carrying arms, you are not going after them, you are going
[00:05:09] of after us who are preaching gospel of peace that have ch.
[00:05:12] lives of people, we won't listen to you, you are not
[00:05:16] god,
[00:05:21] well bishop Waloke, the national president the pentecostal
[00:05:24] fellowship of Nigeria joins us live on the program from the ancient
[00:05:28] city of ibadah, bishop, great to see you
[00:06:03] has your position changed yet about the comments you
[00:06:07] made to your church members and to members the
[00:06:10] PFN as regards.
[00:06:19] now we will rather obey God than
[00:06:22] man, preaching the gospel everywhere is
[00:06:25] fundamental to the Christian faith,
[00:06:29] everyone that is a Christian today is because he or
[00:06:32] she had the gospel preached to them, and then they made
[00:06:36] decision to follow Christ, so if anybody or any
[00:06:40] group of people is... dealing with that, they're dealing with
[00:06:44] something that is fundamental to the church,
[00:06:47] and even the process by which they
[00:06:51] are come to make the bill is faulty.
[00:06:55] if you're dealing with something
[00:06:57] of of public interest, you invite the stakeholders to
[00:07:01] participate and to hear the view, not that you are passed
[00:07:05] it and you are presenting it to mr. president for for
[00:07:09] endorsement and then we're hearing of it, that's very very
[00:07:13] insensitive now, before going on with that,
[00:07:17] the constitution of Nigeria guarantees freedom of
[00:07:20] religion, freedom of speech to every
[00:07:23] Nigerian, and by our
[00:07:26] constitution, the Nigeria state
[00:07:29] is secular state, but the church
[00:07:33] Nigeria is as come under fundamental
[00:07:36] threats, existential threats, both
[00:07:40] from illegal people. and from the system
[00:07:44] itself, now you go back in in
[00:07:47] history, you discover
[00:07:49] that
[00:07:54] a head of state, I think it was IBB, drag
[00:07:57] Nigeria into OIC, organization
[00:08:01] of Islamic country,
[00:08:04] countries, Nigeria is not an Islamic
[00:08:08] country, country, now the senate should deal with that, that
[00:08:12] is... fundamental, not the matter of preaching in bosses,
[00:08:16] the senate should deal with that and pull Nigeria out of
[00:08:19] OIC. again, the constitution that we
[00:08:23] have today was not made by the people of
[00:08:26] Nigeria, no, it was the military jack boot
[00:08:30] that was empowered that time that imposed that constitution
[00:08:34] on us and it is skilled against the
[00:08:38] church in favor of a particular religion.
[00:08:42] in that constitution Islam is mentioned hundreds of times
[00:08:46] and Islam you know sharia
[00:08:50] and that and the church is not mentioned
[00:08:54] once, christianity is not mentioned once and
[00:08:58] Christians in Nigeria are a little over
[00:09:01] 50% the population. Now that is a
[00:09:05] fundamental matter that this should be dealing with not a flippant
[00:09:09] thing about preaching in bosses. So
[00:09:13] and then again now we are being attacked
[00:09:16] by various violent people, he
[00:09:19] swap, bokuharm, lakurawa and all of
[00:09:23] that, all of which stem from islam
[00:09:27] and they are trying to forcefully make Nigeria an
[00:09:30] Islamic nation, they are targeting us, killing us in
[00:09:34] southern cadena, killing us in plateau, killing us in
[00:09:38] taraba, killing us in Benwe and
[00:09:40] they are making incursion in to the south
[00:09:43] from our
[00:09:45] from karara from from edo and all of
[00:09:49] that now this is fundamental,
[00:09:51] the senate is the apex the law making
[00:09:55] process in Nigeria, they should beginning with fundamental issues like
[00:09:59] that, they are not dealing with it, they
[00:10:01] are now tampering with something that is critical to our faith,
[00:10:05] stopping us from preaching in buses, when
[00:10:08] our master told us to go into all the...
[00:10:13] and preach the gospel everywhere our fathers
[00:10:17] of old, the old apostles, they went
[00:10:20] everywhere and preach the gospel, now
[00:10:23] philip,
[00:10:24] God told: philip in the book of Acts chapter 8 to join himself to the
[00:10:28] Ethiopian chariot
[00:10:30] he said join this chariots and preach to that man and the
[00:10:33] man was key man in
[00:10:36] Ethiopia. Philipp obeyed and he preached to the
[00:10:40] man and the man
[00:10:42] got saved. That's how Christianity came to Africa
[00:10:45] long before it came to Europe. You are
[00:10:49] not telling us not to do that.
[00:10:51] The chariot of those days are the busis of today.
[00:10:56] I as a person, I've been preaching in buses since
[00:10:59] 1975, several people have
[00:11:02] been blessed, their lives changed,
[00:11:06] ministers the gospel produce as result of
[00:11:09] preaching in
[00:11:14] you are not telling us not to do it, we will preach in
[00:11:17] buses, so if they want to, if they want to imprison us,
[00:11:21] let them come and arres all of us, we are coming, we we pray.
[00:11:25] in buses all right bishop they cannot stop
[00:11:34] the first part is uh you've mentioned the issue of i think
[00:11:37] i've we've heard you here on the program where you said you believe there's genocide the
[00:11:41] government has pushed back to say there's no genocide so there has been that back and
[00:11:44] forth uh and then the issue just just moment bishop
[00:11:48] please uh so that i can answer all of it at the same
[00:11:51] time uh so that's on one hand the other hand they're saying that at
[00:11:55] who is the senate leader says they did not bring this law, it's not the first
[00:11:59] time this law has been there, it's been there, so they just changed the itemization, i think from
[00:12:03] number item 37 to 40 something, so he's been there,
[00:12:07] lot of nigerians they don't know he's been there, so that's on one hand, i'm
[00:12:11] talking about some the pushbacks they've uh also brought,
[00:12:15] now the rational behind this, i think they're also talking about this being
[00:12:18] distracting to the driver and some the activities the persons who
[00:12:22] preaching buses, so when you hear all of this pushbacks, how do you
[00:12:26] respond to it, bishop? now that is absolutely second
[00:12:30] thought, i've been preaching in buses since 1975,
[00:12:34] up until now there is no record of any distruction or any
[00:12:37] accident or any mission as result of
[00:12:41] preaching in bosses, is a targeted attack
[00:12:45] against the church, now if the if it's been the statute
[00:12:49] bef, thank you for bringing it out, let's exponge
[00:12:52] it from our statute. some other people of other
[00:12:56] faith, every Friday, they will block roads all
[00:13:00] across the country and disrupt traffic, they are not
[00:13:03] dealing with that, they are not dealing with us
[00:13:07] issues that are bringing peace, that are changing
[00:13:11] lives, that are turning wicked people to become righteous
[00:13:14] people, that are turning post to become chase
[00:13:17] lady, that are turning robbers into
[00:13:21] becoming preachers, things that are changing lives that are...
[00:13:25] people that are contributing immensely to the peace and
[00:13:29] welfare of individuals and the nation, they're not telling us
[00:13:32] not to do, it's something that God commanded us to do, so
[00:13:36] if it's been the status before, it's time to exponge it from
[00:13:40] the statute, and it's time to revisit the
[00:13:44] constitution, the constitution favors a particular
[00:13:48] religion against us, the
[00:13:51] church, and apart from that, there's current. pressure
[00:13:55] okay, take for example, the the
[00:13:58] catholic bishops went to visit Mr. President and they
[00:14:02] had discussion and the man, cat
[00:14:06] told them told him frank truth that Nigeria is
[00:14:09] bleeding and we not bleeding, are we not bleeding in
[00:14:13] Benway, are we not building in katuna, southern cardina, are we not
[00:14:17] building in goza in b state, are we not building in
[00:14:20] darapa state, are we not building in kwara, are we not building in New York state?
[00:14:25] so should anybody attack a catholic bishop
[00:14:29] for saying that? that is obvious truth, and then he
[00:14:33] said Nigeria, Nigeria needs
[00:14:35] economic pressure on them to be relieved, is
[00:14:39] that not the truth? now you are denigrating
[00:14:43] them, you you are washing them down, that is unbecoming
[00:14:46] of a government that cares for the
[00:14:50] people, this appears like a government that is
[00:14:53] oppressing the church. and that push back is not
[00:14:57] sufficient, they should exponge it from the statute, it's our
[00:15:01] fundamental right, and we are obeying the master, if
[00:15:05] you want to behead us for preaching the gospel, we are ready, if you want to
[00:15:09] imp prison for preaching the gospel, we are ready, if you want to make all the
[00:15:12] stadiums in nigeria to become presidents, we are ready, we will
[00:15:16] rather obey god than man, that is fundamental to our
[00:15:20] faith, and we're not going to surrender it, not at
[00:15:23] all, fathers of old in the scripture, they were
[00:15:27] persecuted for it, they were in prison, they were killed, they were
[00:15:30] stored, they didn't back down, no, and
[00:15:34] we, we will not back down, we will preach. the
[00:15:37] gospel everywhere our master, our lord
[00:15:41] and savior Christ commanded us, that's the only command
[00:15:45] he give to the church, and you are not saying we shouldn't preach the
[00:15:49] gospel, exponge it from the statute, all right,
[00:15:52] and go, go beyond the exponding from the statue,
[00:15:56] go and review the constitution, the current constitution is not our
[00:16:00] constitution, bishop, constitution, a constitution that mentioned
[00:16:04] Islam again and again. Yes,
[00:16:08] so so now we can, yes, I
[00:16:11] hate, I hate to break your flow of thoughts, my lord bishop,
[00:16:15] but because we have to squeeze in as many questions as possible, um,
[00:16:19] when you say behead all of us, the proposed
[00:16:22] penalty uh, for people who perhaps flat that
[00:16:26] law is 50,000 uh, that law, according
[00:16:30] to the argument is from the senates has been there since
[00:16:33] 2007, I like the fact that you've brought in the
[00:16:36] conversation. and around the catholic bishops uh going to
[00:16:40] uh meet Mr. President and all of that, so it means that the PFN,
[00:16:44] it looks like the PFN stand is standing side by
[00:16:47] side uh with the catholic bishops led
[00:16:50] by uh arch bishop uh Matthew Indagoso
[00:16:54] who is also the bishop of Kaduna daosis as well um so
[00:16:58] but there's a argument as to whether or not religious
[00:17:02] leaders should speak about
[00:17:05] politics or... stay on the
[00:17:09] call from our master Jesus on the
[00:17:12] pulpit, bishop, that's the argument,
[00:17:16] that, but that argument is faulty, the master
[00:17:20] told us to pr go into all the word and
[00:17:23] preached the gospel, and in Mark chapter 16:
[00:17:27] 20, the apostles, they went everywhere
[00:17:31] and they preach the gospel, that's what the scripture taught us
[00:17:35] and i just mentioned a e
[00:17:38] god told philip to join himself to the chariot
[00:17:42] the Ethiopian unuk, a high official the queen
[00:17:46] of Ethiopia at that time, and he prayed the gospel to him, and the man got
[00:17:50] saved and he got baptized, and then you took the
[00:17:54] gospel to Africa, so we we are
[00:17:57] commanded not to preach in the church, no, no, no, no,
[00:18:01] no, to go out
[00:18:04] everywhere and preach the gospel to, every
[00:18:07] creature and by saying i'm siding the catholic
[00:18:11] bishop, the church of Christ is one,
[00:18:15] there may be many denominations, but we have one
[00:18:18] faith, one lord, one baptism, the church is
[00:18:22] one, if they attack the catholic bishop, they are attacking the whole
[00:18:25] church, if they are saying we shouldn't preach the gospel, they are
[00:18:29] attacking the whole church, if we are being beheaded, we
[00:18:33] are being kidnapped, we are being targeted and
[00:18:37] christian genocide is going on and they are not dealing with
[00:18:41] it, they are siding with the enemies the
[00:18:44] church, we they are siding one particular
[00:18:47] religion, and it is mentioned several times
[00:18:51] in the constitution the federal republic of nigeria
[00:18:55] that is supposed to be uh a country that supposed
[00:18:59] to be um um not bias
[00:19:02] against religion that supposed to be secular
[00:19:06] state, it is time to review the entire
[00:19:09] system, the system is skewed against the
[00:19:12] church, the constitution is skewed against the
[00:19:15] church,
[00:19:17] come in, yes, that is what is saying should be dealing with, not a matter of
[00:19:21] preaching, we we will break that
[00:19:25] law, we dear the senate the federal republic of
[00:19:29] nigeria, we will obey God rather than now, we will break that
[00:19:32] law, all right, if if i'm be coming, you made a couple of statement, well
[00:19:36] i don't know what i ever seen or heard anywhere where the Nigerian state said to support one
[00:19:40] religion over over the other because section 10
[00:19:43] is in the constitution no I understand what you're saying section 10 talks
[00:19:47] about the uh secular state of our nation that no state the federation
[00:19:51] shall adopt any religion I know that Shariah has mentioned about
[00:19:55] maybe tens of times in the constitution and Christian or
[00:19:59] Christianity was not mentioned it's over 100
[00:20:03] times so we get we get to look at
[00:20:05] the data is not mentioned once yet. but where i'm going
[00:20:08] to with that, yeah, that is what is should be concerned
[00:20:12] about, okay,
[00:20:13] i understand about giving a
[00:20:16] constitution that is that takes care of all of
[00:20:20] us, that mentions all of us, it's either you
[00:20:24] mention all religion or you sp, you expond
[00:20:28] religion from the constitution, yes, i think you've made that
[00:20:32] point couple of times, i just wanted to put in
[00:20:35] context that no official pronouncement from the government
[00:20:39] to deciding of any religion, but your point is noted, I'm sure they are listening,
[00:20:43] and that's why we need to be everyone, when I say
[00:20:45] me, and we, I mean, Nigerians, religious
[00:20:49] bodies. ethnic nationalities, everybody, political parties have to be part the
[00:20:53] constitutional amendment, but where I'm going to is what Kelly did asks, my colleague
[00:20:57] Kelly asks, I think what es and made
[00:21:00] them generated the salvo and the back and forth between
[00:21:04] especially the spokespersons the president and some the
[00:21:07] supporters uh against the bishop, is the
[00:21:11] fact that the issue of INEc, they
[00:21:15] made an appeal that the democratic space should be you
[00:21:19] fair to all, whether ruling or opposition, the
[00:21:22] president in his remarks had said, all is fair in politics, which did not go
[00:21:26] down well with lot of people because uh, you have the levels of power in the
[00:21:30] institution of state and that can be misinterpreted, which can consider abuse of power
[00:21:33] and is almost an impeachable offense, but where I'm going to is
[00:21:37] when I've listened to the part the argument, it feels like what makes them
[00:21:41] uncomfortable, I mean the ruling party and the people in the presidency, that
[00:21:45] the bishop's position on the neutrality of INEC is on the
[00:21:49] assumption that inec is already taken sides and they said that is not correct, which is
[00:21:53] why the president said inec is doing well, is neutral,
[00:21:56] so should the bishops or the
[00:22:00] church have commented on the neutrality or otherwise of inex,
[00:22:04] because that looks like the bone of contention, not necessarily the
[00:22:07] economy or security. now comment on the
[00:22:11] neutrality of neck is not a political comment,
[00:22:15] is moral, because inec is supposed to
[00:22:19] be, independent of any
[00:22:23] pressure from the presidency, because the president
[00:22:27] is member of a party, a political party, so if
[00:22:31] the catholic bishop says, Mr. President, I next should
[00:22:34] be independent, that is speaking the truth
[00:22:38] to power, that is speaking the truth to power, if
[00:22:42] they are uncomfortable about that, it means there is a hidden
[00:22:46] agenda, I mean if they are fair and...
[00:22:50] inec is independent, you just tell them and say,
[00:22:54] excuse me, Mr. Bishop, inec is
[00:22:57] independent, our hands are clean,
[00:23:00] if they now say should be independent and the
[00:23:03] presidency is reacting against that, it means
[00:23:06] inec is not independent, and and
[00:23:10] that is not independent cannot do justice to all
[00:23:14] Nigerians, Iine does not belong to a political
[00:23:18] party, no, neck is supposed to
[00:23:21] regulate all political parties, so when the bishops are saying
[00:23:25] that, they are not getting to politics, no, they are just
[00:23:29] saying what is fair, what is just, they are say
[00:23:33] speaking truth to power, and the government, if their
[00:23:37] hands are clean, they should be comfortable with that, the fact that they are
[00:23:41] pushing back, all right, it shows that something
[00:23:45] is not right, so and the church like i
[00:23:48] said,
[00:23:49] is one ' the pentecostals are speaking, the church is speaking, if the
[00:23:53] anglicans are speaking, the church is speaking, if the catholic is if
[00:23:57] you attack one you attack all, and now
[00:24:00] the the sing should deal with all of that, this should deal
[00:24:04] with the impartiality
[00:24:07] of, they are not dealing with it, they are dealing
[00:24:11] with preaching bosses, preaching in the
[00:24:14] buses, that is changing light, that is blessing people, we have
[00:24:18] been doing for decades and the be no record of any
[00:24:21] accident or destruction, this should rise above
[00:24:25] that, this should deal with matters that are
[00:24:28] fundamental, we are being killed in caduna, we are
[00:24:32] being killed, we are shouting christian genocide, christian genocide,
[00:24:36] the senate is not being the the weight their office
[00:24:40] to bear on that, they are now attacking us and saying we shouldn't
[00:24:43] preach the gospel, we will preach the gospel
[00:24:46] bosses everywhere,
[00:24:57] there are those who are saying that the reason why the church all of
[00:25:00] sudden has found her voice is because perhaps the
[00:25:04] president is Muslim, the vice
[00:25:08] president is Muslim, and they have gone ahead to say, you what, we're going
[00:25:12] to retain that ticket in 2027, um, so
[00:25:16] I don't perhaps if you have comments about that,
[00:25:20] that's the
[00:25:21] the the belief in some quarters. my second question would be bishop, i know the scriptures
[00:25:24] would always say that prayer is the key, mean
[00:25:28] the are songs, prayer is the key, the are songs, prayer is the key, but
[00:25:32] bishop, in terms of governance, i am
[00:25:36] wondering what kind of conversations is the church trying
[00:25:40] to have with the government the day and even
[00:25:43] previous governments, because if the senat is saying this was in our
[00:25:47] in our laws as far back as 2000. and
[00:25:50] seven, I believe that there's a level of strategic
[00:25:54] conversations and engagements the church should be having with
[00:25:58] government the day, there's even the part of
[00:26:01] lobbing as... well
[00:26:03] so I'm wondering, I know that prayer is the key bishop, but
[00:26:06] lobbing, strategic engagements should also be very
[00:26:10] essential to the church, what you say, bishop,
[00:26:14] that's correct, and we are praying, in fact we are
[00:26:18] pushing of prayer more than ever, because let
[00:26:22] tell you, kylie and your friends, the
[00:26:26] church is under pressure, why should a
[00:26:29] nation where we have '
[00:26:32] Muslims, christians almost at
[00:26:36] equal number, why should we have
[00:26:40] Muslim Muslim tickets, but we are not
[00:26:44] making any issue about that, because four years ago we
[00:26:47] made noise about it, we spoke about it, we made press
[00:26:51] statement, we did albatoria, they didn't change, and we
[00:26:55] didn't want to waste our time on that, the
[00:26:59] parties are free to choose their candidate.
[00:27:03] just let all candidates be fair to
[00:27:06] all, but all indices are showing
[00:27:10] that they are not being fair to the church, that muslim muslim
[00:27:14] ticket is one of it, the mention of islam in the
[00:27:18] constitution many times and no mention
[00:27:21] of christianity is one of it and it's
[00:27:24] fundamental, the draging of Nigeria into
[00:27:28] OIC by IBP and it's
[00:27:32] is not being reversed, it's one of it, then the targeted killing
[00:27:36] of Christians by various,
[00:27:39] numerous, many violent
[00:27:42] groups, you're talking of f, you're talking of
[00:27:46] bukaram, you're
[00:27:47] talking, and all them,
[00:27:51] they are shouting
[00:27:52] islamic
[00:27:56] phrases before they execute, before they keep, even
[00:27:59] currently this week that is going on, see going on in
[00:28:03] ben
[00:28:05] is going on in plateau, so the the church is under
[00:28:08] pressure and the system is not protecting us,
[00:28:12] the system is not speaking out for us, the system
[00:28:15] rather is touching something that is very fundamental, and they are saying we
[00:28:19] shouldn't preach in buses, now the scene
[00:28:23] should rise up and protect the church in Nigeria,
[00:28:27] because we are citizens of Nigeria, we are in
[00:28:30] millions, we are a little... over half the
[00:28:33] population and we're under pressure, when we said there is
[00:28:37] Christian genocide, they are not
[00:28:39] speaking on our side and they are not acting on our
[00:28:43] side, they they are denying it, and they're
[00:28:46] spending billions of our taxpayer
[00:28:50] money to go and organize lobby in America to
[00:28:54] promote the lie that there is no christian genocide, killings are
[00:28:57] still going up and we're not going to stop until the
[00:29:01] killings stop. "now we will talk to government, if the
[00:29:05] government is ready to listen, are they
[00:29:09] invited us for discussion on it, since we have been
[00:29:12] shouted, we are making moves and we are meeting
[00:29:16] with brick walls, if they are not giving
[00:29:19] us opportunity to discuss okay,
[00:29:23] why has the senate not invited the church
[00:29:27] representative to speak about accusation of
[00:29:31] Christian genocide is?" " not something major enough to
[00:29:34] engage the senate the federal republic of Nigeria, we
[00:29:38] said the the church is not irresponsible, the
[00:29:42] church is made up of responsible leaders, we won't speak without
[00:29:46] fact, the facts are all over the place that the church
[00:29:49] is being targeted for genocidal
[00:30:01] the time and and keep saying that they've always push back on the narrative
[00:30:05] of um genocide, because
[00:30:07] the the parment will say both christians and muslims are killed, and that's a
[00:30:10] fact. um, well, whether the issue of genocide
[00:30:14] or no genocide is always a heated debate at the end the
[00:30:18] day, but where i'm going to with this, there are christians in the national
[00:30:22] assembly, daniel buala for instance is a christian from the northern Nigeria, there are christians
[00:30:26] in the president, the wife the president is a
[00:30:35] as pfn, just like the catholic bishop try to engage with the
[00:30:38] president uh directly
[00:30:40] have you written and you've not been honored to get invitation to
[00:30:44] you know have some of this conversation and then isn't it time for the
[00:30:48] Christian community for instance to begin
[00:30:52] to
[00:30:52] you know strategize in terms of lobbing in some of this because lobby is
[00:30:56] part the old thing if you're not comfortable with the law and you want to