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[00:00:00] account and they were transferred to comer
[00:00:03] a okay okay as agrees so that was what we
[00:00:07] were just only
[00:00:08] of helping him because he said they should put the money we are just helping both
[00:00:12] parties because we we were there we were the recruiter we were
[00:00:16] not we are not supposed
[00:00:17] of even do that but because both the
[00:00:20] the delegates and mr
[00:00:24] agreed and said Moriko should hold the money when
[00:00:27] mts it and and it will be
[00:00:30] so so transfer and all the
[00:00:34] of money transfer to we
[00:00:36] him now okay, understand that you
[00:00:39] were like the collector, let me use the word loosely, you facilitated the collection,
[00:00:42] well yeah, they were all,
[00:00:45] in fact before the money were transferred to
[00:00:48] mr, all the delegates were aware,
[00:00:52] there were
[00:00:54] of i meetings, understand
[00:00:54] yes, and they said, yes, we understand, we just
[00:00:58] wanted to an algorithm we're
[00:01:01] of saying that money from the from the participant or these
[00:01:05] beneficiaries or should have been beneficiaries comes to
[00:01:09] you and then from you it goes to mr organization are we
[00:01:12] correct and
[00:01:14] of even you
[00:01:15] of paid for two you paid for two
[00:01:17] a persons maybe about 5 million so that's why you have now petitioned
[00:01:21] right my money there my money there is more than 10
[00:01:25] million okay kelly i was going to ask
[00:01:28] perhaps how so you paid for two persons 2.5 2.5 so how come
[00:01:32] it's 10 million so 2.5
[00:01:35] plus 2.5 is 5
[00:01:39] million 11 million for
[00:01:42] tickets okay is seven
[00:01:46] million right yeah now
[00:01:50] there was
[00:01:51] a someone that i helped a bit
[00:01:53] for uh ticket when he didn't have his complete money
[00:01:57] for ticket all right that that was in
[00:02:00] there and again there
[00:02:03] of is another person that uh
[00:02:07] Mr Shass who she's owing me
[00:02:10] money and that money is replacing they taking it for
[00:02:14] it so that's another so and again
[00:02:17] m
[00:02:21] for 1 million he wanted me to
[00:02:25] borrow him one
[00:02:27] to to lend him one yeah that those ones can
[00:02:31] be settled outside of here, that's one, you borrowing him, okay, we
[00:02:35] understand, all right, so
[00:02:36] a more than 10 million, just where we are concerned is the fact that
[00:02:40] about 20 Nigerians eventually
[00:02:44] uh would pay for this -
[00:02:48] 19 um would pay and then in the in the
[00:02:51] end they didn't go for that trip and their money
[00:02:55] have not been refunded, that's where the the question
[00:02:59] mark. is
[00:03:01] in um, the other twists is that there's the ministry of youth
[00:03:05] of
[00:03:07] of development involvement in all of this, what exactly
[00:03:11] did you hear about the ministry of
[00:03:12] of youth that made you to key into this project
[00:03:16] and at what point did you
[00:03:18] of become suspicious? thank you very much, thank you
[00:03:22] very much. mean, if you see, i've sent a
[00:03:26] copy
[00:03:26] of the the the letter, the contract.
[00:03:30] letter that was given to me, you will see that the min ministry
[00:03:34] of youth development, logo, everything was
[00:03:37] there, right? when
[00:03:41] it started, when he gave this contract to Marico Healthcare
[00:03:45] Services Limited, he told
[00:03:48] us that it was the ministry of
[00:03:51] youth and youth development that is working
[00:03:55] for, is the direct director
[00:03:58] of coordinator or director general? something like that,
[00:04:01] so now when
[00:04:04] they
[00:04:05] of when of they when they paid their money, he actually
[00:04:09] told them to come to
[00:04:10] of Abuja,
[00:04:11] of they have first hand contact with him, they went to
[00:04:15] Abuja, they went to the the federal
[00:04:19] ministry, he interviewed them in the federal
[00:04:22] ministry, hear him say lot of things that
[00:04:26] of recruited unqualified people, i don't know.
[00:04:30] so if it's unqualified, why did you not return their money back to them? okay,
[00:04:34] interesting to, so as we speak now, uh,
[00:04:37] Mr.
[00:04:38] has and his organization have not returned the money to any of you, is that
[00:04:41] correct? you no,
[00:04:45] no, just hold on, I think I need to f that, he
[00:04:49] has returned some money through, they are contacting him
[00:04:52] behind me, I don't,
[00:04:56] he has given some some
[00:04:58] of people, I wanted establish. behind me, i don't even know how much.
[00:05:02] okay, so you can you can confirm that some people have been paid
[00:05:06] back some
[00:05:06] of the moneys that were, okay, but you don't know how many people,
[00:05:10] how many persons, but let me read something. Let me read something, I'll come
[00:05:14] back to you, madam, let me read something, release signed by the Federal
[00:05:18] Ministry of Youth, in fact the title was clarification on the status
[00:05:22] of youth empowerment, youth economic intervention and
[00:05:26] de-radicalization program, yoidep and updated
[00:05:29] implementation timelines, from
[00:05:32] the f that just two lines I want to read, um, say for
[00:05:36] the avoidance of doubt, y dep is not a federal government
[00:05:39] funded program and is not an initiative develop. or owned by the federal
[00:05:43] ministry of youth development, the program was proposed by the youths the
[00:05:47] street initiative (UTC) a non-governmental organization founded
[00:05:51] by comrade Kennedy (era) and under
[00:05:55] another line just to fast forward all of this uh in line with the
[00:05:58] mandate to encourage support and youth empowerment initiative, the ministry entered a
[00:06:02] memorandum of understanding with yotti to provide policy support,
[00:06:06] facilitate alignment with national youth development objectives and monitor the
[00:06:10] programs implementation framework and and the last one I want to read is under
[00:06:14] the terms the Mou, the responsibility for sourcing
[00:06:17] funds, securing donor support and executing
[00:06:21] program rests with yotsi, the ministry is not responsible for the
[00:06:24] funding, financial management or direct administration the program,
[00:06:28] so the ministry indemnifying itself, I don't think they even
[00:06:32] provided letter or cover letter or anything of that
[00:06:35] nature, so uh, you have petitioned
[00:06:38] the DSS for your money to be refunded is...
[00:06:42] correct for those who haven't collected their money
[00:06:45] right? yes, the thing is when this problem
[00:06:48] started, we had the meeting and i
[00:06:52] clearly started appealing for
[00:06:56] everyone, i said if you
[00:06:59] say you did the visa, which obviously there was
[00:07:03] refusal from the embassy, the UK embassy, i said,
[00:07:07] so what are you going to do, because
[00:07:11] maybe you done that, you should be able to refund
[00:07:15] people some their money back,
[00:07:17] especially the ticket money that you did not even
[00:07:21] use, you didn't buy any ticket, refund that one first,
[00:07:25] he started abusing me, he started calling me name, that w
[00:07:29] was where
[00:07:30] the he started calling me names, he was insulting me, even clara
[00:07:34] be insulted clara be as well, so that was where the whole
[00:07:38] thing, i said she did not do it, especially that ticket.
[00:07:42] that is where my high b yeah we
[00:07:46] we are really pressed for time so maybe just simple question
[00:07:50] um there was a video m shared with us about the minister of
[00:07:54] youth's development interfacing uh with some of you were you in that
[00:07:58] meeting i don't live in Nigeria I live
[00:08:02] abroad I live in the UK I don't live in Nigeria so what he
[00:08:06] did in that meeting what he did that was very misleading
[00:08:10] because what he told us was not the only one, we were a
[00:08:14] we were in the group meeting because we normally have
[00:08:18] uh whatsapp meetings with the all the delegates and it was
[00:08:22] telling us that they are going there for because the
[00:08:26] this program, but when when people went there
[00:08:29] even the manager from morico healthcare services limited when
[00:08:33] they when they went there and they founder that no that
[00:08:37] was not what was uh there banks invited banks
[00:08:41] invited the media and all that, they were talking about something else, they
[00:08:45] called me and they said, man, what is been said there is totally
[00:08:48] different, so he was just misleading
[00:08:51] people, okay uh, interesting
[00:08:55] uh conversation, we wish that uh the day
[00:08:59] m came here, he would have come down to have a proper
[00:09:03] civil conversation uh, but it was all over the
[00:09:06] place, Marina Goman is the CEO, Morical Health
[00:09:09] Care Services Limited, so we've had everyone, we've had for me we've had
[00:09:13] m the once we just want to quickly say
[00:09:17] something yeah we totally
[00:09:18] out of time we have 10 10 seconds more yeah i don't i'm not
[00:09:22] in partnership with mr i as fermy
[00:09:26] uh suggested or he was saying i'm not
[00:09:30] in partnership with him i was the company
[00:09:33] was was contracted to recruit just like any other
[00:09:37] person can come to the company to recruit and again they
[00:09:41] they they are work from all the candidates are welcome, told
[00:09:44] them if that doesn't work, i can help them with other
[00:09:48] uh uh other ways to go, if they want any other
[00:09:52] program, that was what i was helping them to do, i was just trying to help
[00:09:55] them, so there was nothing
[00:09:59] for, i understand what you're saying, i understand what you're saying, but moneies were paid to
[00:10:03] you, so that's a level of partnership, that you now gave to
[00:10:06] m, yeah, i know you forard it to m, so when you say
[00:10:10] partnership, there
[00:10:10] is level of partnership, but i guess you're talking about extensive one
[00:10:14] because money were paid to your organization which was transferred to
[00:10:18] m, but much thank
[00:10:21] you, morma is the CEO of Morico health services limited, thank you.
[00:10:25] Thank you, all right, well let's switch guess now and
[00:10:29] get to talk Nigeria security architecture for moment, and some
[00:10:33] the recent events, the releases, rescue, if
[00:10:37] you like, um, in kara and in
[00:10:41] Niger states, plus the new welfare package
[00:10:45] for the military, we joined this out by leftenant colonel
[00:10:48] Innocent Azubike retired, his special
[00:10:52] forces counter terrorism and counter
[00:10:55] resurgency um consultant, he joins us live now on the
[00:10:59] program, thank you indeed colnel, colnel for agreeing to talk to us
[00:11:02] on the program, chirin news in Niger and kara
[00:11:06] states where 308 Nigerians have
[00:11:10] been released or rescued, um, we
[00:11:13] celebrate these these uh events,
[00:11:17] um, but there are questions, for instance, inqua
[00:11:21] states more than 48 hours after
[00:11:25] "that news broke about the regaining of freedom of those persons who were
[00:11:29] kidnapped uh in that state on I think February 10, we do not
[00:11:33] have any details as to how it
[00:11:36] happened, the about 176 them
[00:11:39] victims, you know they came back, we
[00:11:42] understand the the bosses, the broughts back in bosses, I
[00:11:46] don't there some sort of questions around, how did it play out,
[00:11:50] you know, been in captivity for over six months and then they are
[00:11:54] just..." back in buses, other details, the commissioner
[00:11:58] for communications
[00:12:00] b who made that pressure, no details really, just thanking the
[00:12:04] president and the
[00:12:05] governor,
[00:12:11] if i understand what you asking for
[00:12:13] is directly related to counter terrorism
[00:12:17] and counter insurgency, i
[00:12:21] may not exactly be analyzing that now,
[00:12:26] uh we raised the case, i came from military
[00:12:30] pensioners perspective, the
[00:12:33] issue of wage
[00:12:37] increase, the increase for the
[00:12:41] military which the president
[00:12:44] assented to president
[00:12:46] assigned, the new pay increase
[00:12:50] for the military sin and retired in
[00:12:54] November, last year
[00:12:57] 2025, it was all over the
[00:13:00] media, presidential spokes
[00:13:04] personuga
[00:13:08] release several press
[00:13:12] statements,
[00:13:16] before the presidential
[00:13:19] approval, it has actually started from the National
[00:13:23] Assembly. in October last year, October
[00:13:27] 2025, they
[00:13:30] did a comparative study the salaries of and
[00:13:34] pensions of militaries in other African countries
[00:13:38] and concluded the rate for Nigeria was
[00:13:41] dismally low, they did some
[00:13:44] packaging that the the minimum pay for a
[00:13:48] serving personnel should be
[00:13:50] 250,000 and it
[00:13:54] was, clearly in the
[00:13:56] news that the the
[00:14:00] relevant authorities should
[00:14:03] compute the total amount
[00:14:06] involved and get it
[00:14:10] embedded into 2026 budget,
[00:14:13] which was then in the making. the summary is
[00:14:17] that is widely in the
[00:14:20] news, the salaries the
[00:14:23] military had been in increased serving and
[00:14:27] retired, it had been included in
[00:14:30] 2026 budget, the president
[00:14:33] signed it, give approval in
[00:14:37] November last year, it was all over in the news, all
[00:14:41] along we have been expecting this
[00:14:43] pay, the highest
[00:14:46] political and military authorities in this
[00:14:49] land have made several pronouncements
[00:14:53] on this, "the service chiefs, the
[00:14:57] military leaders have on several
[00:14:59] occasions thanked the president for that
[00:15:03] gesture and arging the
[00:15:07] military to work harder because the president cares for
[00:15:10] them, and each time in public speech
[00:15:14] they thanked the president for this gesture, the
[00:15:17] president will always assure of his commitment
[00:15:21] to the welfare the military serving and retire."
[00:15:27] had so several times
[00:15:30] military authorities will be asked by b serving
[00:15:34] personnel and retired personnel, what are we getting this money?
[00:15:40] "there was always the assurance very soon, very soon, up to
[00:15:43] April this year, the service chiefs
[00:15:47] will be telling the man, very soon you will get it being
[00:15:51] paid, suddenly this
[00:15:53] July there was a twist of
[00:15:56] tong, as if they are not sure it's
[00:16:00] been approved on, they will work out another
[00:16:03] approval, we couldn't make..."
[00:16:07] meaning out of this and approval that has
[00:16:11] dominated the media since November last
[00:16:14] year with assurances it will soon be
[00:16:18] paid getting to this time we are
[00:16:22] not getting it and then there seem to be a twist
[00:16:26] of tongue oh we are working to improve your
[00:16:29] pay what what the one
[00:16:32] approved we couldn't understand this
[00:16:36] so military. as some of us are
[00:16:40] determined that when we do a peaceful
[00:16:43] protest, we get to the
[00:16:47] ministry of finance, because we are told last year is being embedded
[00:16:51] into the budget, we do
[00:16:55] sit out there, we will not block any road, we will not
[00:16:59] block any gate, but we will be sitting
[00:17:01] there, until they explain to us
[00:17:05] why this approval of... remember last year up to
[00:17:08] now, they can't pay it, they
[00:17:12] have not categorically said the
[00:17:16] approval had been withdrawn by the president,
[00:17:20] rather and new
[00:17:23] twist as if they we want to approve another thing
[00:17:27] for us, what are the one that was approved, and there is this
[00:17:31] dimension that pensioners are concerned about,
[00:17:35] each time there is approval, for
[00:17:39] in salary, there is normally a
[00:17:42] consequential adjustment for pensioners,
[00:17:46] it is a constitutional
[00:17:47] right, it's in the
[00:17:50] constitution, the and
[00:17:54] forces act is reflected there too, but there is always a
[00:17:58] problem, it's not always acted on until we start
[00:18:02] peaceful protests before the pensioners get
[00:18:05] remembered. uh for
[00:18:08] instance, when they're making a proposal again as
[00:18:12] if we should forget the one approved last
[00:18:15] year, they want to make another proposal
[00:18:19] again and they calculate
[00:18:23] the f requirement, they use serving
[00:18:27] personnel, the number of serving personnels about
[00:18:30] 250 thous or there about of servicemen,
[00:18:34] army, navy, airforce to compute it.
[00:18:39] "the application is the constitutional right
[00:18:43] the pensioners, which is also reflected in the Nigerian
[00:18:46] Arm Forces Act, it's not factored into
[00:18:50] it, you will be told, it's not in the budget, what for next year,
[00:18:54] went for the other
[00:18:54] year, we
[00:18:58] feel is not necessary to always be dragging us into
[00:19:02] peaceful protest before we could get what we
[00:19:05] deserve." 'we feel we have paid our
[00:19:09] dues in patriotic service to this nation and there are
[00:19:12] stated entitlements, if the
[00:19:16] president approved her
[00:19:20] increase for military saving and retired
[00:19:24] categorically categorically mentioned it computed and included into
[00:19:27] the budget, there has been no categorical
[00:19:31] denial, it didn't happen, we
[00:19:34] wanted, we deserve it'.
[00:19:38] and we get the impression that some the office
[00:19:42] holders, some the high office holders who are supposed to
[00:19:46] execute the directives the president may
[00:19:50] not be telling the full truth to the
[00:19:52] president. for
[00:19:55] example, the 22nd
[00:19:59] November last year to be specific, 22nd November last year, one
[00:20:03] the three press releases made by the pres
[00:20:07] presidential spokes person was directed to salaries
[00:20:11] and wages commission to release the
[00:20:14] pay, the new increment immediately, that
[00:20:18] was November last year, the
[00:20:22] news circulated all over, if you
[00:20:25] check artificial intelligence,
[00:20:28] AI deep seek inquiry, you
[00:20:32] will get all this information, it's all there, because it's widely
[00:20:36] circulated in the media. can you hear me
[00:20:38] sir?
[00:20:42] so we we our plan now is we had
[00:20:46] actually planned to get to peaceful protest.
[00:20:50] at the ministry of finance this
[00:20:53] week, this week, wednesday, we will block anything,
[00:20:57] we will block any road, but it will be sitting there, all right, if you can hear me, we want to
[00:21:01] shift it, if you can hear me, yeah, i can hear you, fantastic,
[00:21:05] sir, first we want to thank you for your service, everyone
[00:21:09] of you who had served our nation, risked your life, some of your
[00:21:12] colleagues have paid
[00:21:13] the ultimate price, so we always say thank you for your
[00:21:16] service, and the country owes you debt
[00:21:20] a whole lot and you should be taking care of for
[00:21:24] the service you provided, I'm sure you're talking about the the circular that
[00:21:28] was issued by the military pension board about that increment,
[00:21:31] now but you said you've not had anything in terms of
[00:21:35] implementation and now you're hearing increments to the
[00:21:39] tune of between 30 to 80% for seven
[00:21:42] officers and nothing perhaps has been said about retired
[00:21:46] officers so may be the issue of...
[00:21:50] sequential adjustment will come in, so as at the last time you
[00:21:54] engaged with the people, what were
[00:21:57] they saying, as you said, you you protest peacefully, I think on
[00:22:01] Tuesday or Wednesday, we just have about two minutes, so what were they
[00:22:05] saying, and uh, is that the reason
[00:22:09] why you were not satisfied what we what they said, that's why you're protesting, and what
[00:22:13] do you want done
[00:22:13] immediately, what
[00:22:17] they were saying at the last time,
[00:22:21] in one hand, they were saying they are working hard to
[00:22:25] implement the last salary
[00:22:28] increase, yet in another language that's
[00:22:32] saying there is new
[00:22:35] increment to be announced to take effect
[00:22:39] from September this
[00:22:41] year and that new increment the
[00:22:45] total number of servicemen to be
[00:22:47] affected to benefit from made is
[00:22:50] 25000,
[00:22:54] which obviously exclude military pension
[00:22:58] that are about 100 thous, so
[00:23:02] the what they now say, and there is no indication as to
[00:23:06] what it could be paid, the supposition
[00:23:10] is until is included into the next year's
[00:23:12] budget, and there is nothing we can make out of
[00:23:16] that, to us is road to now where if we couldn't get the...
[00:23:20] approved November last year, up to now, you are
[00:23:24] saying you are working hard to uh implement it at the same
[00:23:27] time saying uh there is new
[00:23:30] increment, not categorically
[00:23:34] covering the service man, mean the the retire
[00:23:38] raise, what it means is that even if the new one,
[00:23:42] which could be road to nowhere is included in the
[00:23:44] budget, pensioners could stay
[00:23:48] be told
[00:23:49] oh you are not. for in the budget still went further that is as
[00:23:53] per 2027 is ruled out for this is not talking of
[00:23:57] this year but our concern is the the approval of last
[00:24:01] year we are demanding for it now we are demanding for right now and we
[00:24:05] are prepared for peaceful protest in demand the
[00:24:08] presidential approval of last
[00:24:10] year well con it's a fine
[00:24:14] place to anchore a conversation with you
[00:24:18] um you and your colleagues deserve all the
[00:24:20] dignity and all the appreciation for the sacrifices that
[00:24:24] you most thank you indeed and we hope that the government
[00:24:27] indeed gets to pay attention to the demands
[00:24:31] of uh your you and your colleagues in the
[00:24:35] coming days. most thank you as always for your time. liftenant kel
[00:24:39] innocent Azubik retired is special
[00:24:42] forces counter terrorism and counter insurgency was
[00:24:46] joined us live from our buja broadcast center. thank you.
[00:24:51] "thank you, thank you, we are very grateful for your
[00:24:54] concern to ... our
[00:24:56] complaints, that's what we do here with network
[00:25:00] built and trust, and some these kind of issues, I mean, it's really, I'm not
[00:25:04] sure how any officer who is still in service would be
[00:25:08] receiving this kind of story, when you see that those who
[00:25:12] previously served the army and serve the nation are
[00:25:15] being treated in this manner, als
[00:25:20] the front lines and then when you serve and i don't know it's really
[00:25:23] it's really i think is important we get to hear from the ministry of defense uh
[00:25:27] cds oh i almost calling so there general christopher Musa and bello
[00:25:31] matawale who are in charge of that ministry uh this this is
[00:25:35] directed at you i know there's a pension board that is in charge
[00:25:39] of all of this but this said there was an increment to
[00:25:43] secular for pensioners last year but has not been implemented till
[00:25:46] now november last year till now and now the president is
[00:25:50] the magnanimity has also
[00:25:52] you know increased salaries of serving officers, so he's asking questions around
[00:25:56] about the 100 thous who were promised who have not been fulfilled,
[00:25:59] what is happening to them, so it's a very valid. question and we're going to stay on
[00:26:03] it uh for them to get what is due to
[00:26:07] them, they they've provided security for our country, they
[00:26:11] deserve the best we can give them now that they've left
[00:26:14] service, but that's it on the program, thank you so much,
[00:30:39] national chairman of a court party says osum
[00:30:43] state has been under siege by persons it describes
[00:30:47] as anti-democratic forces who are determined to
[00:30:50] harass, intimidate, destabilize and
[00:30:54] disenfranchise the electorate in oursian
[00:30:57] state.