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[00:02:42] we, I don't
[00:02:47] of know if anybody caught our headlines this morning, but um, lot
[00:02:47] of the headlines from Oos states to
[00:02:50] of on state,
[00:02:51] a to edo state and Quara state,
[00:02:55] I believe, all the headlines were reporting were
[00:02:58] about rescued.
[00:03:00] kidnapped people that w previously kidnapped and now
[00:03:04] rescued in
[00:03:06] the uh polytechnic students um edo states
[00:03:10] some uh commuters that were um ambushed along the way by
[00:03:14] people in vigilante clothes um the
[00:03:18] war of um residents that were kidnapped since
[00:03:22] February uh they have returned to a laury and then you
[00:03:25] know uh and so many others and I'm
[00:03:28] wondering when did the we gets here
[00:03:31] in or of how did we get here? miracle? you
[00:03:34] of know, i read over the in the course
[00:03:40] of of the week uh something that said, i think he was reacting to one
[00:03:44] of the rescue processes, said he had told you people
[00:03:48] that
[00:03:49] of the rescue
[00:03:50] of the children
[00:03:52] of in will be dramatic, indeed it was, it
[00:03:56] was drama, and what i heard that, you
[00:04:00] now it seems like the federal government has found some kind of
[00:04:03] of module like you kidnapp our people, we kidnapp your people,
[00:04:06] yeah, so whether that
[00:04:10] is after they say all is fairing well right, so
[00:04:14] maybe that is just maybe,
[00:04:16] i don't if that is what is working now, um, but
[00:04:20] then I don't know whether that really resolves the issue
[00:04:23] of the funders, the the backers of
[00:04:26] this whole thing, if we know the people behind the... people who
[00:04:30] are perpetrating the crime and we know those who are
[00:04:34] backing them, let's go after their own people too, yes,
[00:04:37] of and the irony
[00:04:43] of of the issue is that in the same orire, there was also attend
[00:04:46] of attempted abduction of teenager just a couple of days
[00:04:50] ago, wow, he was rescued though, i think his dad put
[00:04:56] of a distress call through to the security agencies and they were able to get him back, but
[00:05:00] and I'm wondering
[00:05:01] what is going on, the same place when you know it was how many days
[00:05:05] after the kidnapping
[00:05:07] ore was it that they
[00:05:11] they... children the former minister of power was
[00:05:15] also picked in ibad right in the capital
[00:05:18] city now that that is definitely making some kind of
[00:05:22] statements was that ring road area yeah that
[00:05:26] is definitely you know making some kind of statement that
[00:05:29] look we are far and near so to speak you
[00:05:33] know but I'm just I'm just happy that at least now
[00:05:37] there is some kind of momentum but then there is also a question a good
[00:05:41] number of people are asking. and I hope that what is happening in the south
[00:05:45] will also happening in the north, which is how come somebody was
[00:05:49] asking that question, I don't how far is true, that
[00:05:53] the the the situation the kidnapping and all of those things
[00:05:56] and rescue is not happening in the north as frequently
[00:06:00] or as more seriously as it was happening in the south, it's a
[00:06:04] question, I don't have answer to it, I don't even know whether it's a
[00:06:08] right or wrong answer to a question to ask, it's just something that...
[00:06:12] also being put out there right uh and talking about
[00:06:16] insecurity, well whether this will help, we we'll get to know that a
[00:06:19] moment uh, the president has approved the increase of
[00:06:23] salaries the armed forces between 30 to
[00:06:26] 80%, i think, yeah, the the larger percentage is for the
[00:06:30] lower cader and the smaller is for the uh
[00:06:33] the seniors, one the things that's
[00:06:35] always um
[00:06:38] interested me is how we
[00:06:41] care. for our
[00:06:43] men and officers and men who are
[00:06:47] in the eye the storm all the time so that some of us can't sleep
[00:06:51] with our two eyes closed, do sleep with my two eyes
[00:06:54] closed, you know, we if we don't care for them,
[00:06:58] we are setting them up, yeah, if we don't take good care
[00:07:02] them, ensure their lives, secure their families, we are putting
[00:07:06] them, they themselves at risk, and some them may not have family
[00:07:10] after the they they have... have paid the supreme
[00:07:13] supreme price. we have heard cases where people,
[00:07:17] men in the frontline in the in the
[00:07:21] northeast back then in those years, they will be complaining that they've
[00:07:25] been there for too long and no one is taking care them, they don't get enough. in
[00:07:29] fact, heard
[00:07:29] we have situations where some them have to procure uh,
[00:07:32] you know, official boots and all of those things by
[00:07:36] themselves with their own money, which they probably don't even get as
[00:07:40] frequently as they shoot. so... um, I'm
[00:07:43] hoping that beyond this payment, first of all, of course, as you
[00:07:47] said, we'll be getting into that conversation, but beyond this payment, I'm also
[00:07:51] hoping that we have a situation where all the things they
[00:07:55] need, the enabling environment to perform their duties, they
[00:07:58] also have all the enablement from the rank and file
[00:08:02] the military, and I'm talking about the entire military, the air
[00:08:06] force, the army, and and the
[00:08:10] navy, so that let these people be happy.
[00:08:12] to do their jobs, right? let them be just be happy, so thank
[00:08:16] you, Mr. President, for doing that, and thank you for listening to whoever give you
[00:08:20] the advice, and
[00:08:24] so just before we get into our menu, we also have the ICPC uh
[00:08:28] chairman submitting the reports on the
[00:08:30] PFIP after what he calls
[00:08:34] thor investigation into the matter. I
[00:08:37] don't, no, I don't have the names of those two new agencies
[00:08:41] that the man said. he said there are two new agencies discovered
[00:08:45] two new agencies by the same person and changed the name of
[00:08:49] one agency to something else, i missed those two names yesterday,
[00:08:53] thankfully she was able to put them out, in fact one of those um
[00:08:56] agencies is to the fct,
[00:09:00] fct, something something foreign fct revenue no say
[00:09:03] foreign, both them have revenue
[00:09:07] something foreign something, i can't
[00:09:09] remember okay
[00:09:11] so now that's
[00:09:16] so um so that's that,
[00:09:19] i ICPC has recommended prosecution, yeah, so
[00:09:22] far the prosecution has not be gone, in fact we
[00:09:26] heard uh, i don't know how far, it's true though, uh, you may want
[00:09:30] to confirm it that the man was
[00:09:33] invited, mr. was invited by the house
[00:09:37] of representatives
[00:09:38] and yeah, that's what he claimed, they invited him somewhere. and gave you
[00:09:42] 4000 400 million na to do one no
[00:09:46] no they let him not he said that heard
[00:09:50] that he said that if they don't have the press and his lawyer present
[00:09:54] that he will not say anything i'm
[00:09:56] like um that's not the law court is
[00:10:00] it um you don't want to be you do you need your
[00:10:03] lawyer present so that the lawyer will be telling you what to say what not to say it's a
[00:10:07] house committee investigating a matter i don't know
[00:10:11] whether it's against love for the house too, when you watch
[00:10:15] those those movies, those cry movies and there's a suspect that
[00:10:19] finds that he's been boxed into a corner, when he finally says
[00:10:22] i need to call my lawyer, then you know that. something is
[00:10:26] so where is the lawyer
[00:10:30] present so that you would not be caught saying anything that will indite him
[00:10:34] further
[00:10:34] but he's already in trouble anyway so waiting for i'm
[00:10:38] waiting for how the federal government is going to handle that matter and i'm talking about
[00:10:42] federal government now you because know
[00:10:46] um holistically some institutions of government have been indicted
[00:10:50] yeah and individuals lots yes yes they have been indicted
[00:10:54] so there is no escape, yeah, names have been mentioned, specific
[00:10:58] names have been mentioned, so waiting for how it's going to go,
[00:11:02] right, and so beyond the bank alerts, what will better pay
[00:11:06] yield, better security, and you know, we've talked about
[00:11:09] increase in unforces um salary, so that's
[00:11:13] what that chat is about, yes, that's our first conversation this
[00:11:17] morning, the next we'll be talking about policies versus reality
[00:11:21] in the housing
[00:11:23] in housing crisis, out more about that
[00:11:26] um in the next segment after that and then
[00:11:30] we'll focus on Oshin elections as well that's about a week
[00:11:34] away so let's know what's happening
[00:11:36] what should be happening and the politican intrigues
[00:11:40] in ocean states as we speak then
[00:15:26] Right and welcome back from that break, beyond the
[00:15:30] bank alert will better pay yield better
[00:15:34] security and that's the question we're asking.
[00:15:37] As we charted earlier on, the president
[00:15:41] has um approved the increase in the
[00:15:45] salaries of members the armed forces, um,
[00:15:49] that is a massive 30% to 80% increase for members the
[00:15:53] Nigerian Armed forces effective September 1 uh,
[00:15:56] 2026, so by after this month, I mean they will start
[00:16:00] getting their pay, this historic wage adjustment will directly benefit
[00:16:04] about 250,000 military person. personnel across
[00:16:08] the navy, army and air force. the initiative aims to enhance
[00:16:12] troop welfare, boost morale and reward the heavy
[00:16:16] sacrifices made by the servicemen, battling persistent internal
[00:16:20] security threats like terrorism, bandatory
[00:16:23] and of course kidnapping across the country. so let's look at the
[00:16:26] breakdown by rank, the salary structure disproportionally favors
[00:16:30] junior ranks to support for lowest earning personnel on the
[00:16:33] frontlines, private staff, surgeons get
[00:16:37] 50% increase, warrant officers uh
[00:16:41] get and to colnels get 50% increase while brigadier general to
[00:16:45] generals get 30% increase, the
[00:16:48] financial and operational impacts expected budget
[00:16:52] increase, the defense wage bill will jump from
[00:16:56] 660 billion nara to 924 billion
[00:17:00] nara annually introducing an extra 264
[00:17:03] billionaire in personnel spending based
[00:18:08] oyi wogini senior researcher bon international center
[00:18:12] for conflict studies who also joins us virtually
[00:18:15] gentlemen uh thank you for joining us we wait for Mr.
[00:18:19] Dati
[00:18:19] to join us but let's start with the conversation with
[00:18:22] you uh captain Umara aliyu
[00:18:26] uh being uh retired uh military
[00:18:30] personnel what do you make of this
[00:18:34] um increase in the salary of ' the
[00:18:38] armed forces and
[00:18:40] you and the structure that it takes uh the lower
[00:18:44] cader personnel get the highest percentage
[00:18:47] increase and uh the high the seniors get the lower
[00:18:51] percentage increase uh captain aliu
[00:18:54] yes what do you make of
[00:18:56] it?
[00:20:09] Dr. you've heard this um and a
[00:20:13] good number of people have, you have spoken about some these things from time to time,
[00:20:16] particularly as it affects various communities, how helpful do you see this
[00:20:20] initiative the federal government in the fight against all
[00:20:24] these shades of insecurity? uh, yeah, thank
[00:20:28] you very much and good morning to Nigeria, I think the
[00:20:32] increase in the salary the military, which
[00:20:35] signif of improvement in their welfare, it's
[00:20:39] a welcome development
[00:20:42] uh uh given that uh on like before we do have quite a lot of
[00:20:46] issues to deal with in our frontlines and in the border area.
[00:20:50] which also have to touch the aspect the risk and the
[00:20:53] exposure these military men uh uh you know
[00:20:57] to the risk and I want to give you very good example
[00:21:01] I i published report on the on the crossborder
[00:21:05] dynamic of violence in the lecture basing last year
[00:21:08] uh over 4000 plus survey was
[00:21:11] conducted and what is important to know is that most
[00:21:15] the entry part the the legal uh
[00:21:19] entry. where uh the arm group also penetrated uh
[00:21:23] we have 80% of those area which are cover and control by
[00:21:27] the states and we have 10% of it which are technically
[00:21:31] still
[00:21:32] you know temporarily or intermittently controlled by the handbook. what
[00:21:36] is important to know is that despite the fact that the hamburg control
[00:21:39] 10% uh it's interesting because the cross border
[00:21:43] trade within that sphere makes it even more
[00:21:46] appealing for people to pass through well group control and but
[00:21:50] what i think the question we need to ask is why? the reason is
[00:21:53] because when the uh the transborder trader
[00:21:57] or the the community member want to pass through those legal route they
[00:22:01] always face challengings of they have to pay for some money for at
[00:22:05] the checkpoint and when they are coming back they have to
[00:22:08] pay and at each checkpoint they have to pay so when they pass
[00:22:12] through the harm group control area they pay only once so they have to do
[00:22:16] comparative advantage and see that for them it's better to pass through. area
[00:22:20] even though there's a risk involved so what i'm trying to say is
[00:22:24] that improve welfare in such manner will actually
[00:22:27] you know eliminate or reduce the vulnerability of our
[00:22:31] servicement to extortion and that is very commendable
[00:22:35] one. now if you look at that space for example in the lecture
[00:22:39] basic comparatively to nigeria, cameroon, niger and
[00:22:42] chad, you could see that in 2023 for
[00:22:45] example, cameroon has has been increasing the
[00:22:49] salary. the the military staff by
[00:22:52] 5%. for charge, it also has been increased also
[00:22:56] at the same time, but what is important when you compare
[00:22:59] them comparatively, you will see that the allowance, the
[00:23:03] risk allowance for the frontline military the charge
[00:23:07] still has a larger percentage compared to the rest the country,
[00:23:11] but in terms the 30% or especially the 80% that
[00:23:15] will benefit the younger cader of our Nigeria
[00:23:19] minitry. to place them of course at least a comparative level
[00:23:23] with their fellow for example who are participating in multinational joint
[00:23:27] tax for
[00:23:34] but
[00:23:34] then i'm not very sure um uh dr
[00:23:38] guinne that um one how how this matter gets
[00:23:42] into um the minds of other
[00:23:45] people, the people that are directly affected, particularly the soldiers on
[00:23:49] the... field, we
[00:23:52] understand the the privilege given to the generals, senior officers and
[00:23:56] all, but the the the men
[00:23:59] who are on the field, who are on
[00:24:03] the frontlines, those are the ones that are directly
[00:24:07] affected by these, so on the one hand, their family, they are
[00:24:11] getting more pay, they
[00:24:12] are getting better pay now, and from what joker said earlier, if we calculate it in
[00:24:16] dollars, is almost, well, it's well more than $100,
[00:24:20] you know that each them will
[00:24:21] one be getting a month. now part the
[00:24:24] reason the the federal government gave was
[00:24:28] moral, to boost the moral the men
[00:24:32] and uh to encourage them to do more and to do
[00:24:35] better. how do you see this playing out in the minds the
[00:24:39] people or on the field? uh, how do you see their
[00:24:43] commitments increasing or not
[00:24:46] increasing? and do you see this?
[00:24:50] increment, this this um encouragement so to speak that we hear
[00:24:54] now, do you see it um being reflected also
[00:24:57] in the gears that they use to get their jobs done, the
[00:25:01] equipment, the the clothing and all those
[00:25:03] things, oh that's
[00:25:05] a very interesting question you ask, i think uh what we need
[00:25:09] to uh first consider with respect to what you are saying
[00:25:13] now is um if you look at the junior
[00:25:16] cader of course there are the instances where you people
[00:25:20] say they are buying their material themselves, the they are doing quite a whole lot of
[00:25:24] things. i think what is important to know is that the the basic
[00:25:28] salary is not increase in basic salary will not
[00:25:31] address some operational challenges that they face. as you can
[00:25:35] see, Nigeria is still spending less than 1% of this
[00:25:38] GDP on defense. compared to alliance of
[00:25:42] saher, when you look at it comparatively, you will see that they still spend
[00:25:46] more on defense, so in ratio you could see that of... of course our
[00:25:50] spending has increased, the defense spending has increased, if you
[00:25:54] look at it from 2022 upward, we are now getting close
[00:25:58] to 6 trillion or so in that direction, but it's still...
[00:26:02] enough and what is important to know is that improve in the
[00:26:06] welfare is one thing, another thing is the aspect
[00:26:10] of the operational
[00:26:14] accountability and others which will now lead to
[00:26:17] community trust, so these are two different things, so increase in
[00:26:21] defense will not eliminate violence, it will only suppress
[00:26:25] violence, but the reform the socio economic situation
[00:26:29] is what can sustainably reduce v. so these are
[00:26:33] these two uh dynamics that we need to talk
[00:26:49] this conversation uh we also talked about you
[00:26:52] know um the government increasing
[00:26:55] uh the budgetary allocation to uh military spending and all
[00:26:59] that um extra 264 billion i
[00:27:03] annual wage bill,
[00:27:05] you know, how do you think this will work without worsening uh the
[00:27:08] national budget deficit? how do you respond to critics who claim that the
[00:27:12] massive rise is a political strategy to secure the
[00:27:16] military, the military's loyalty ahead the elections next
[00:27:19] year? well, thank you very
[00:27:23] much. i think first and foremost we need to appl
[00:27:27] uh look at the whole increase in salary a broader
[00:27:31] perspectives uh. you recall that just recently
[00:27:34] President Bola Metinu expanded the number of
[00:27:37] divisions from eight to 12 divisions, so
[00:27:41] we can look at this from a Berber perspective
[00:27:43] is where you look at efforts being made to improve the capacity
[00:27:47] of our military men who are always in the frontlines, and this
[00:27:51] increment in salary will not only boost their moral and
[00:27:55] motivate them and also create safety nets for their
[00:27:59] health, education their children and better stand of
[00:28:02] living, but also be able to assist even those
[00:28:06] who fall on the way side in the frontiers of
[00:28:09] war to be able for the families to continue to grow, so that in
[00:28:13] itself is is is very key and important, and I
[00:28:17] also want to say the concerns being raised about how to
[00:28:20] draw uh from the budgetary provisions to be
[00:28:24] able to meet up with that, it's very easy, we have seen a lot of turn
[00:28:28] around, especially in the area of revenue generation,
[00:28:32] the tax forms all revenues, so all that is
[00:28:35] needed is tighter strategy to ensure that the
[00:28:38] leakages are blocked. already we've seen the performance
[00:28:42] the chairman the revenue uh
[00:28:46] nigerian revenue service under dr. zakaji where our
[00:28:50] revenue from 2023 rose from 12 trillion
[00:28:54] to about 26 trillion, that's about
[00:28:57] 128% per performance, so looking at that
[00:29:00] trajectory, it is clear that. that there is going to be
[00:29:04] increment in the income for government such that will be able to
[00:29:07] cushion the effect of this increment. of course the
[00:29:11] increment is about 264 billion nara,
[00:29:15] but you put in it side by side with the benefit, it far
[00:29:19] outways the benefit, because we are talking about our military men who are in the
[00:29:23] frontlines, and we are looking at even how
[00:29:27] the bandits, kidnappers and all that has invested
[00:29:31] trillions of nar. from innocent victims of Nigeria, so
[00:29:35] whatever action that is being taken to secure the lives
[00:29:39] of Nigerians to also make
[00:29:42] uh Nigerians be able to go out and take uh
[00:29:46] fen for their living should be applauded, and that in itself shows
[00:29:50] that the government is taking it ahead and ensuring that appropriate
[00:29:54] strategies are put in place to ensure that those who are in the front
[00:29:58] lines are giving adequate motivation, are giving '
[00:30:03] rest of mine and the the the standard their livelihood is
[00:30:07] improved such that they will be able to give their best to the
[00:30:10] country. mr. that apologies
[00:30:14] i, but you know, um, there are also concerns,
[00:30:18] you know, that there's a there could be a possibility from those who
[00:30:22] are fighting uh, quote lesser wars, but
[00:30:26] fighting all the same to keep community safe, such as
[00:30:30] the paramilitary customs. police um
[00:30:34] and
[00:30:35] you know other security agencies uh that they may actually raise
[00:30:38] concerns that oh we also want increase in our
[00:30:42] salaries as well because we are also working uh to keep community
[00:30:46] safe where uh they've been talks about interagency
[00:30:50] collaboration and all and all that so such
[00:30:54] that it's not just the military that are working but everybody else is working hand in
[00:30:57] hand to keep communities safe.