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[00:00:41] Good morning and welcome to Sunrise, it's
[00:00:45] a
[00:00:46] of bright and cheery morning, is it raining on your side of
[00:00:49] town? It's not raining here yet, mhm uh, but it's
[00:00:53] looking very bright and beautiful, um, I would say
[00:00:57] we survived this week, this work week. "we
[00:01:00] survived it
[00:01:02] of um, particularly because if you walk around
[00:01:06] kara or you have any, you had anything to do, maybe
[00:01:10] you are leaving lagos or you, and
[00:01:13] even people that are not walking around here or living around here, they
[00:01:17] saw the same thing that we
[00:01:18] of saw, but we survived and we're happy to be here, the fact
[00:01:22] that you even use the word survive say, when i
[00:01:26] say, i am sure that people that experienced it will know what i'm saying." you now i saw a
[00:01:30] film i think very when i was much younger the title
[00:01:34] of the film was the greatest american traffic
[00:01:37] in jam that traffic jam well it was acted but i don't know
[00:01:41] what it did there was no
[00:01:42] of ai then
[00:01:43] of so whichever way they did
[00:01:45] of that of thing you mean it
[00:01:48] a was the greatest american traffic j it had many roads
[00:01:52] many layers of bridges that were affected they had concert they
[00:01:55] had all kinds of things so this traffic of this week reminded me of that.
[00:02:00] then it also reminded me of something that happened to me, this one is not them, it's
[00:02:04] me, i left lagos
[00:02:08] in the morning of a particular saturday to host
[00:02:12] of event in ibado, think i left around say 9:10
[00:02:15] a.m. drove, before i got to ibadon was around 4
[00:02:19] p.m.
[00:02:20] of i got to ibadon of course the event i went to host was
[00:02:24] already over so left ibadon at about
[00:02:27] of 5 p.m. guess what time i got home? into my bedroom tell me
[00:02:31] 5
[00:02:33] in a.m. wow so um 5 pm to 5 am ibadon
[00:02:37] and lagos took me 12 hours so the one that
[00:02:40] happened you know this week when people were saying it was it
[00:02:44] was asking
[00:02:45] in b tell me tell me about it people were saying because you didn't experience it
[00:02:49] who told you didn't experience it okay why are you not saying people were
[00:02:52] of saying because if you were in the thick of things
[00:02:54] of you will know that people were not saying we okay you
[00:02:58] know um uh from magodo face 2 shangisha
[00:03:01] between Alausa and magodo face 2
[00:03:04] in shangisha i
[00:03:04] of spent 4 hours so tell me de experience four hours what about people that spend 12
[00:03:08] hours their house is farther than mine me it was it was
[00:03:12] something that was horrible please we do not want to experience such was very
[00:03:16] horrible but what is the root
[00:03:19] of okay so let's
[00:03:21] okay this will
[00:03:27] of of be fun so yes there is the repair going on - and
[00:03:30] then there is the human
[00:03:32] factor, which one took the cake on this event?
[00:03:36] so there was a accident that compounded it, and
[00:03:40] then there was the issue about people
[00:03:44] not having patience, patience was
[00:03:48] lacking, everyone wanted to get to where they
[00:03:52] wanted to get to without you know some
[00:03:55] of them not having
[00:03:57] of consideration for others, and so you find you, uh oncoming
[00:04:00] traffic, this way, you know, inbound, facing
[00:04:04] outbound, and that was how
[00:04:07] of everything was locked up, but thankfully yesterday,
[00:04:11] this morning, let me, let me, let me, let me back up a little
[00:04:14] yummy, the first day the traffic was going to begin
[00:04:17] was Tuesday, I came to the office absolutely, of course they hadn't
[00:04:21] started, so no incident whatsoever, by the time I was going back
[00:04:25] home, still in the morning, the traffic had backed
[00:04:28] off significantly. Wednesday morning, the traffic was
[00:04:32] thick, you
[00:04:33] know, tilled back as far as secretariat towards the toe
[00:04:37] gate, Thursday, it finned
[00:04:40] down significantly, so much so that, and there was no
[00:04:44] traffic between about last week, last week, okay, when it
[00:04:48] started, yes, so there was no
[00:04:50] of traffic
[00:04:50] in between um, berja and the karab, no
[00:04:54] traffic whatsoever, yeah, Friday,
[00:04:58] of absolutely nothing, zero. thatic that's in the
[00:05:01] afternoon because in the evening there was i'm sure you were at
[00:05:05] home in the morning there was nothing even when i was going back home there was
[00:05:09] nothing on saturday morning zilch not thing
[00:05:13] last week saturday
[00:05:13] yes okay when you were coming
[00:05:17] but then I got there on on Monday morning still
[00:05:21] nothing then Tuesday it was as if all hell was let loose
[00:05:25] what's going on here there there was a there was that accident there's no doubt about
[00:05:29] it it thind the road from like maybe one uh two one and a half
[00:05:32] lanes to just one lane sourse you everyone had to be i
[00:05:36] know that one so there was a truck that caused that
[00:05:39] one they moved that one when i was at about
[00:05:43] 10:00 a.m.
[00:05:45] that the that traffic that truck was being moved out the
[00:05:48] way while that was going on maybe after that one was done
[00:05:52] another traffic another accident happened on the same bridge on the same day and
[00:05:56] then while they were trying to deal with that one closing one side the road some people were
[00:06:00] backing up around you toward inbound lagos they squeeed
[00:06:04] if you listen to the it's just it's just us if you
[00:06:07] listen to the i think the sector commander in lagos
[00:06:11] you could feel the the pain in his voice, he was
[00:06:15] saying, this is self-inflicted, absolutely, this is
[00:06:18] self-inflicted, because well, I'm I'm
[00:06:22] glad that we survived it, and we are hoping we don't have to go
[00:06:26] through it again, particularly so that we are not, yes, you know,
[00:06:30] rehabilitation the road will happen
[00:06:32] you know every now and then, the point that you are making your me,
[00:06:36] which is valid, it didn't have to get to that level, it didn't
[00:06:39] have to get that far, but we are. having
[00:06:43] emergencies to attendcies, childbirth and all those
[00:06:46] things, so many things that could have gone wrong, thankfully we didn't hear
[00:06:50] any of such fatalities, we give God thanks for that one, so
[00:06:54] um the the message and I love the fact that there was someone who was able
[00:06:58] to help us capture it went out and
[00:07:01] said this one we have yes we have quite a
[00:07:04] number of videos area shots by
[00:07:07] ch
[00:07:09] this one is us so let's not let's not
[00:07:13] when we are calling government out, call government out properly, okay, we
[00:07:16] are glad and we are happy that you are here with us
[00:07:20] and this morning um is the right place to be,
[00:07:24] we have you covered,
[00:07:48] about some money that we now have in the states, yeah, every other
[00:07:52] time you know the fact we share the money between the states and the
[00:07:55] federal government, i think about two point something
[00:07:58] trillion
[00:08:00] for trillion for uh august or so,
[00:08:02] you know, and you know what came to my mind
[00:08:05] was we are looking at the federal
[00:08:08] government, state governors, state governments please,
[00:08:13] this monies, let us use them for the
[00:08:17] benefit the people. I saw something, every time it happens, every time
[00:08:20] we share the money, we hear that, oh,
[00:08:23] you know, the allocation has increased because there's no subsidy
[00:08:27] again, people want to feel, this
[00:08:30] moneys in different ways and the hospitals, we're
[00:08:34] talking about roads now, you know, roads and all the things that
[00:08:38] will make life easy for the people, i think there is fact that we need
[00:08:42] to to highlight so that when you are calling out
[00:08:46] government, you call out um government
[00:08:48] purposefully, somebody shared an information last
[00:08:52] week and he corrected himself along the line that he heard that
[00:08:56] um the federal government now get less than states
[00:09:00] that as at that time the federal government is now the state
[00:09:03] governments are now getting about 52% of any fac that goes
[00:09:07] out that means they are getting more than one trillion so all the states share more
[00:09:11] than 1 trillion. now that's that's quite something and that's
[00:09:15] not to talk about local government because local governments also get their own
[00:09:18] allocation different from the states and the federal government so you
[00:09:22] can i imagine how much really
[00:09:24] it is going to the states because whatever goes to the local governments is
[00:09:28] also invariably going to the states so when we are asking questions
[00:09:32] let us be very careful and very very deliberate and specific
[00:09:35] about the questions that we are asking just so you know that this is september
[00:09:39] right um august the august allocation was
[00:09:43] 2.338
[00:09:45] trillion naira, so it should be more than
[00:09:49] enough to do whatever it is, and that's not to to, that that doesn't
[00:09:53] include the 13% derivation that goes to um
[00:09:57] oil producing states in the country as well, just we just wanted you to
[00:10:01] know that that has happened and if you're going to ask questions please ask the
[00:10:13] and it's a weekend, we are relaxed, but I'm sure you
[00:10:17] know about the for price and a whole lot of issues
[00:10:21] around it, so it's not just about Nigeria, it's you know...
[00:10:25] global oil price you know gone up and but the people don't
[00:10:28] understand most of this you know people
[00:10:32] who are
[00:10:33] you know down the ladder they don't understand
[00:10:36] who or what is happening and why the all they know is that it
[00:10:40] is biting if you buy a liter of we for about
[00:10:44] 1,400 a whole lot of things the
[00:10:48] ripple effect from you know
[00:10:51] transportation to food because the person by
[00:10:55] selling the food would tell you, it took a lot more
[00:10:59] to get this money here, so whichever way government
[00:11:03] can help you to alleviate this, and for
[00:11:06] people too, yes, because this increase has come, but we had you
[00:11:10] know uh f prices going down sometime you know
[00:11:14] ago and nothing seemed to change for people that are
[00:11:18] selling things or transportation, it goes to that
[00:11:29] Nigerians abroad,
[00:11:30] you know, in the UK, in the US, they also talking about the fact that
[00:11:34] uh, things are quite expensive, particularly fuel, it's very, in fact energy
[00:11:38] generally very, very costly there, the straight of moose
[00:11:41] issues, very, very straight right now,
[00:11:45] so um, so I saw a video of someone in the UK
[00:11:49] complaining that it's almost two two pounds to get a
[00:11:52] gallon of of fuel in'. their own country
[00:11:56] in that country where they they live so and then there are those who are also talking
[00:11:59] about the fact that in Niger it's costlier much
[00:12:03] costlier than
[00:12:04] it is in Nigeria so if it that is if it's any comfort but our
[00:12:08] reality is tell you we have refinery at least dangoter
[00:12:11] refinery now imagine that we didn't have refinery and you know we have crude oil so now
[00:12:15] imagine
[00:12:16] that we didn't have refinery benefit from it okay well at least one thing is sure
[00:12:19] our menu is uh is not
[00:12:23] disturbed talking about menu, that's the first one we're
[00:12:27] dealing with this morning, the fight uh for
[00:12:30] opposition, unity, that is the first
[00:12:34] conversation about the 2027 election, yes,
[00:12:38] and then can Mambia finally power
[00:12:41] Nigeria, especially after that victory, yay,
[00:12:44] that's that's wel be, we'll be, you're looking for answers to
[00:12:48] that, then King's College, I mean you've heard about Unity schools
[00:12:52] and all the drama that's been going on. but we'll find out
[00:12:56] more about that when we talk about funding kings college going forward and
[00:15:11] there is anything that makes the opposition thrive or democracy
[00:15:15] thrive any country that practices democracy,
[00:15:18] opposition politics is definitely one of those things, yes
[00:15:22] and but the question that the number of people have asked over
[00:15:25] time is whether opposition politics is about just
[00:15:29] getting power or providing alternatives, that question has been
[00:15:33] and the quality of alternatives and the that's the that's the that's the...
[00:15:37] the the most important thing there, which is why some people toast the
[00:15:41] UK
[00:15:42] style, you do your
[00:15:45] exam, you take your research right there in
[00:15:48] parliament, so Nigeria's primary opposition
[00:15:51] parties are actively maneuvering to challenge
[00:15:55] the uh governing APC ahead the 2027 general
[00:15:59] elections, well there are 22 registered
[00:16:02] political parties recognized by INEC, the
[00:16:06] major opposition. parties are currently attempting to unite and form
[00:16:10] a formidable alliance, that's and
[00:16:14] number of other issues we are raising this morning with the panel of three, we have
[00:16:17] professor vincent and is director general
[00:16:21] international institute for national transformation, he joins
[00:16:25] us virtually, Samuel is a
[00:16:29] Saudi spokesperson for obedient movement, he is with us
[00:16:33] in our Abuja studio, also be having uh
[00:16:36] Mr. Antony who is a chieftin the
[00:16:40] APC,
[00:16:41] also will be joining us virtually. Thank you gentlemen for joining us this
[00:16:43] morning. Let me begin with you, um,
[00:16:47] prof, um, um, this
[00:16:51] whole conversation about opposition politics, I don't
[00:16:55] know, from, maybe you want to give us, should I
[00:16:59] say, uh, a drone shot view,
[00:17:14] prof, let me let me begin with you and ask this question, give
[00:17:18] us, should I sell eagle eye or drone shot view of
[00:17:22] your rating of opposition politics, particularly in this republic,
[00:17:25] just
[00:17:26] so to give us an background, because there are those who would say
[00:17:29] that opposition politics in previous republics have been
[00:17:33] quite active, but in this republic it seems that it's a bit
[00:17:36] different.
[00:17:58] at the list published by
[00:18:00] inec, there are 18
[00:18:03] candidates, presidential candidates and also
[00:18:07] between vice presidential candidates
[00:18:11] and from what
[00:18:13] I
[00:18:15] saw uh, I think there's only one woman presidential
[00:18:19] candidate and four vice presidential
[00:18:22] candidates that
[00:18:24] are women, I looked at the age
[00:18:26] disparity, I saw that the oldest
[00:18:30] oldest candidate is atiku abubakar
[00:18:33] age of 79, and I saw one as young
[00:18:37] as 35, which is good, which is okay.
[00:18:41] the biggest concern i really have when i think
[00:18:45] about these candidates, question that
[00:18:48] comes to mind is, number one, do
[00:18:52] they really have the
[00:18:55] experience? number two, do
[00:18:58] they have the character, the
[00:19:01] competence, a
[00:19:04] well trained team?
[00:19:08] the program that they will execute
[00:19:12] within their first 100 days in
[00:19:15] office, are they really really
[00:19:18] prepared or is this
[00:19:21] another year of
[00:19:23] sloganism uh, just talking, that's
[00:19:27] really where I have the concern, the depth,
[00:19:31] the preparedness, even the understanding the
[00:19:35] complexity of issues, that are facing this
[00:19:39] nation, that is for me what needs to
[00:19:42] be really interrogated,
[00:19:46] and that's where i would like this discussion also to
[00:19:50] examine.
[00:19:52] the question, because the question that comes to my mind about
[00:19:56] that prof, is are you saying that the opposition is
[00:20:00] not ready or
[00:20:04] the opposition does not have the quality?
[00:20:09] that Nigeria needs now, because it sounds
[00:20:11] to me like you're questioning the quality of people in the
[00:20:13] opposition, actually I'm
[00:20:17] questioning everybody, every candidate, because even
[00:20:21] the incumbent, yes they have done well in
[00:20:25] certain areas, but there are other areas they
[00:20:29] have to really convince the
[00:20:32] Nigerian citizens that they have the competency, the
[00:20:36] organization to address. so that
[00:20:39] concern is actually across the board, whoever
[00:20:43] is coming in, are you, the Nigerian situation is
[00:20:47] becoming more and more complex. number two,
[00:20:51] the future we are entering is becoming
[00:20:54] more complex, more competitive,
[00:20:58] nation that will survive the next 10 to
[00:21:01] 15 years must be totally
[00:21:04] independent, can no longer rely
[00:21:08] on other nations to feed them, to
[00:21:12] to send them drugs, so I'm talking about preparedness for
[00:21:16] the future, and I am asking that question. respect
[00:21:20] to everybody, what we're doing today is not
[00:21:24] enough, and we're putting the lives of our
[00:21:27] children in danger by defaring that
[00:21:31] problem to them, and yet we are not even preparing
[00:21:35] them to solve that problem, so my concern is
[00:21:38] serious, is very deep and is across the
[00:21:41] board. all right, prof, thank you so much for that, let
[00:21:45] me come to, mr.
[00:21:47] in abuja studio, well um, "you may
[00:21:51] not be speaking for a political party, but at least you you, you
[00:21:54] understand this whole opposition politics
[00:21:58] game. what are your thoughts first of all on what prof said,
[00:22:02] because he's not the only one who is asking questions about the
[00:22:06] quality of people in the
[00:22:07] opposition?
[00:22:23] heard all that um that the prof
[00:22:25] said, and um, when
[00:22:29] you ask the quality the
[00:22:33] the opposition, I think you're
[00:22:37] trying to make the point
[00:22:40] that if we must have healthy
[00:22:43] opposition, that we must have
[00:22:46] people in that opposition,
[00:22:50] who are are responsive and
[00:22:53] responsible and people who have programs
[00:22:56] and alternatives to what is it that
[00:23:00] they want to change, but most
[00:23:04] times the problem is not even just the
[00:23:07] opposition, the problem is more
[00:23:10] the recruitment system,
[00:23:14] because it is the recruitment system that determines the kind of
[00:23:17] opposition that we have. because the process in which
[00:23:21] people come into power a matters lot
[00:23:24] if we have a system that does not
[00:23:27] allow you know good people that does not
[00:23:31] allow genuine people that does not allow you know capable
[00:23:35] people that make it even difficult in or for us
[00:23:39] to have kind of multip party them
[00:23:41] a level playing ground for everybody then in most cases
[00:23:45] it's
[00:23:45] now become difficult for you to get the kind
[00:23:49] of... quality opposition or the kind of
[00:23:52] participants that you want a democracy, so if we
[00:23:56] actually want to get a very robust opposition,
[00:24:00] gets in quality nigerians you know to come and
[00:24:04] participate in election and in our democracy, we must first of all
[00:24:08] you begin to think what kind of
[00:24:11] system do we have, how do people come into office? the
[00:24:15] recruitment system is actually as important as the
[00:24:18] people that will have. that is leading us, so it's not just about the
[00:24:22] opposition, it's also about you, the incuben, the people
[00:24:26] that we have as leaders today, how do they get into that into that
[00:24:29] position, and how much have they delivered in the
[00:24:33] promises you know that made them get into that position, and
[00:24:37] again to the Nigerian people, if we don't have a hand, if the
[00:24:41] Nigerian people don't have a hand in the selection
[00:24:44] process, if we don't have a hand in electing our leaders
[00:24:48] or if we feel that... vote doesn't count, we don't
[00:24:52] have a stake on it, then it becomes a problem, because people get into
[00:24:55] office, they are not even afraid the next election to say that if they don't
[00:24:59] deliver on the promises, it means in the next election they will be voted out, so
[00:25:03] that what people get into office whether they kill themselves into office or they fight themselves
[00:25:07] through in office, you they become sititights in leaders and
[00:25:11] they don't care about the people again and they don't care about delivering the promises,
[00:25:15] because the only thing that could make our leaders to deliver on the
[00:25:18] promises, mr. just
[00:25:19] one second, so are you saying then that the unity
[00:25:23] or lack of unity of opposition
[00:25:26] parties is a responsibility is
[00:25:30] caused by the the ruling government is that what you're
[00:25:33] saying yeah i say you know
[00:25:37] when we talk about unity when we talk about unity
[00:25:40] it it means so it means so much because like in the context in
[00:25:44] which we are discussing it today we are saying that because the
[00:25:48] incubent is so powerful and because he control all instrument of government, he
[00:25:52] control, he control everybody, and therefore for the oppositions to be able to
[00:25:56] sit them that they have to come together, perhaps collapse their structures and become and
[00:25:59] it's not healthy for a multi-party democracy, should that should not be the
[00:26:03] discussion, there should be a multi-party democracy that
[00:26:07] every political party and should run on should run
[00:26:10] on their on on on their manifesto and their plans
[00:26:14] and whatever program they have, they should run on that, and
[00:26:18] Nigeria is too big enough to have a multi-party system where
[00:26:22] all these candidates even if they are 10, like they
[00:26:24] are 10 very responsive and powerful candidates, they are Nigeria is too big
[00:26:28] enough and enough voters for them to go conv for voters
[00:26:31] and voted for at end the day one will image, but the reason why
[00:26:35] we now have this idea of, oh let all them come together, and
[00:26:39] that is
[00:26:40] the what we are, we don't want to discuss the main issue, it's like we are leaving the breast to suck
[00:26:44] the hits, the reason why opposition is not fighting to come together is
[00:26:48] because we have a system, we have a political system that the incubent
[00:26:52] has caked everybody, he controls inec, he controls everybody
[00:26:56] and in in there's a lot of intimidation in our
[00:26:59] process and therefore the opposition is... thinking
[00:27:02] how are they going to come together to match them perhaps in monetary aspect to match them perhaps
[00:27:06] in violence to match them in everything that incubate and even most time it's not easy
[00:27:10] even do that so we should begin to think about our recruitment process we
[00:27:14] should begin to think about our electoral system we should begin to think on how to
[00:27:18] unboding this whole process that makes it very difficult for
[00:27:22] people to participate in our democracy because if we don't have
[00:27:25] this if we don't have these
[00:27:29] difficulties if we don't have this incumberment we cannot be talking about 'oh
[00:27:33] let be collapse their structure, let everybody you come and collapse their
[00:27:37] structure and be one party, it's not healthy, it's not healthy any
[00:27:40] democracy. Nigerian should have options in every election
[00:27:43] circle, have options to choose any candidate their choice, to choose any
[00:27:47] political party their choice that have program, and these political parties should be
[00:27:51] free to converse, to go about their ways canvassing for
[00:27:55] vote and talking to Nigerias, the highest coalition and that a
[00:27:58] political party should have should be the Nigerian people and not collapsing'. political
[00:28:02] structures, mr. will come back to you, let me quickly go to mr
[00:28:06] tun, um, you've heard what the prof said
[00:28:10] and what mk said, um, in terms
[00:28:14] the muscling from from what he is
[00:28:17] saying, it will seem a say you, opposition in Nigeria is
[00:28:21] being muscled by the
[00:28:25] administration or by the government in power, um, what you
[00:28:29] have to say in terms the level playing field?
[00:28:32] that should be when it comes to election and politicing
[00:28:36] in good morning,
[00:28:37] Nigeria. good morning
[00:28:41] Well, Nigeria. You see, we don't have to get emotions about things to be
[00:28:44] sincere. What the man is saying there, they are far
[00:28:48] from the way things are, the opposition have
[00:28:51] been very, very unwildy, and they are coming
[00:28:55] together, is not even the best interest
[00:28:58] in coming together to take over power.
[00:29:02] there must be sacrifices, without that,
[00:29:06] excuse me, when APC was coming together
[00:29:10] right, about 16 years ago there about,
[00:29:13] right, we made
[00:29:17] and people were able to stick to the
[00:29:20] outcome the arrangement, we had about four
[00:29:24] candidates for presidency in
[00:29:27] 2014, was one
[00:29:30] them,
[00:29:42] from from the north right, so and after the
[00:29:45] election people were expecting people will
[00:29:49] leave for personal interest, but people stook together
[00:29:53] believing that this country at that time was at the critical
[00:29:56] position and they must come out and do something and they
[00:30:00] did, and here we are today. and oppositions
[00:30:03] that we used to be are not screaming that they are being
[00:30:07] muzzle, we face the goverment in power and we
[00:30:11] won, we defeed jonathan and he
[00:30:14] agreed it
[00:30:15] was fair and fair election and he accepted without going to
[00:30:18] cause any kind of ranker so when people talk
[00:30:22] like this monetary policy monetize
[00:30:25] violence no no
[00:30:28] no way understand me people if you are
[00:30:30] ready an
[00:30:33] opposition and you ready to come back
[00:30:36] together to take power
[00:30:38] to understand me? hey, you must be able to make
[00:30:42] sacrifices. even in the UK,
[00:30:45] before they power, three times
[00:30:48] story - democrats,
[00:30:52] but end
[00:30:52] the the day it got to point where liber said we are going to walk
[00:30:56] away, was very minor party.