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[00:00:00] is very low. Number two,
[00:00:04] of there are, as I said before, during my last program,
[00:00:08] national development
[00:00:11] of is a collective responsibility. It's not government
[00:00:14] alone. There are what I call
[00:00:17] of jurisdictional of responsibilities. The judiciary
[00:00:21] has role to play, the legislative, the
[00:00:25] civil society, the academia,
[00:00:29] the media. all of us, but are you the
[00:00:32] biggest challenge is that
[00:00:34] of of before these people can participate? number one,
[00:00:37] government must create an environment for them to
[00:00:41] participate, they must not infringe, and
[00:00:45] that's my appeal to the APC
[00:00:49] man, please take this message to the
[00:00:52] government, create even level
[00:00:56] of environment of where
[00:00:58] of everybody can play their role. it makes for
[00:01:01] a more mature society, if we can do
[00:01:05] that, if we can also
[00:01:08] a invest in training and informing our
[00:01:11] of people so that they can make better decisions, iron
[00:01:15] nigeria can be
[00:01:17] of rebuild, nigeria can be restored, but it's still going to be lot
[00:01:21] of
[00:01:22] of work, thank you so much, thank
[00:01:23] you so much for your perspectives on the, i knew you were the balance in
[00:01:27] the
[00:01:27] of room, professor v is director general international institute
[00:01:31] for national transformation, we've also had uh Mr.
[00:01:36] of Samuel Wokocha who is the soudhist spokes person for the Obedient movement, he
[00:01:39] in joined us from our Abuja studio as well as Mr. Tunde bancanton who
[00:01:43] of is an APC chieftin, thank you so much gentlemen for your time this
[00:01:47] morning,
[00:01:49] of thank you so much, thank you so
[00:01:51] of much, when we return you Nigeria won that war,
[00:01:55] sorry, that battle, that legal battle, it's okay
[00:01:59] uh, We talk about power, yes,
[00:02:02] in a you know, I don't know how you're watching us, whether you are um connected to sol
[00:02:05] using power, whether is your so your self-generated
[00:02:09] power or bought power or whichever one, but we talk about the
[00:02:13] mandila power alternative when we
[00:02:15] return.
[00:02:20] of in
[00:02:46] Welcome of back, of so it's time to talk power and um, it's
[00:02:50] very crucial for every,
[00:02:53] everything is connected, just it's not political power, of
[00:02:57] course not, just say... Of course not,
[00:03:01] so we um, the Mabula Hydro electric power
[00:03:05] station is a long, delayed
[00:03:08] 3,050 megw project
[00:03:11] in taraba, and of course you know there has been the the
[00:03:15] legal battle, since you know for how
[00:03:19] long
[00:03:19] of now, and that project you kicked off since around the 80s
[00:03:23] and many falls, just like the
[00:03:26] ajakuta, ajakuta steel planted. as well
[00:03:30] mhm so um is this you know something
[00:03:36] this indeed that will
[00:03:36] maybe set we should be happy about, it you know in
[00:03:40] of motion for Nigerians to have you know the much
[00:03:43] needed
[00:03:44] of power of that you know the countries and businesses and you know
[00:03:48] everything is
[00:03:49] of revolving around power abso we have
[00:03:52] of in the studio this morning uh an engineer fellow
[00:03:56] of the academy of engineering and also fellow char
[00:04:00] and institute of power engineering,
[00:04:03] engineer, thank you for joining us this
[00:04:11] enthusiastic or you know
[00:04:14] of happy
[00:04:14] of about
[00:04:15] you know the outcome
[00:04:16] of this manbila hydropower project uh, i i
[00:04:20] think is beyond being enthusiastic, think i'm
[00:04:23] excited, think
[00:04:25] of i'm very happy, i think the federal government
[00:04:29] of Nigeria must be commended, the
[00:04:32] president um and commander in chief
[00:04:35] of the armed forces of Nigeria,
[00:04:36] president must be
[00:04:40] commendent for fighting this to a
[00:04:44] positive conclusion. I think also the
[00:04:47] honorable uh minister of justice and attorney general
[00:04:52] of of the federation who speare headed the
[00:04:55] case um should also be commended, can you imagine
[00:04:59] what will have? happen to us if we had lost $2 billion dollars, no
[00:05:03] $2.3
[00:05:04] of billion, 2.3 billion dollars, I mean that
[00:05:08] immediately wipes off so much from
[00:05:11] the um... um the
[00:05:15] the the the accounts the federation, so I think they
[00:05:18] must be commended, look, the the flip side of it is that
[00:05:22] they could have, and I say this with all sense of
[00:05:26] responsibility, they could have gone ahead
[00:05:29] to um, do deal with the guy, we'll pay
[00:05:32] you, let's let's let's let's discuss outside the
[00:05:36] court, we'll pay you 500 million or 1
[00:05:39] billion and you give us 200 million. That's
[00:05:43] what I mean has been our experience over the
[00:05:46] years, so um, you remember also the
[00:05:49] pi p and ID uh case
[00:05:53] that
[00:05:53] we that was opturned in 2003 and
[00:05:57] finally in 2026, these are these are things
[00:06:01] that Nigerians must appreciate um that
[00:06:05] this present government is doing rather than waste money
[00:06:09] on frivolous cases. second on
[00:06:13] on that, could could it have been a process issue abin
[00:06:16] issue? because I mean why go to court if there
[00:06:19] is no case? no, it's not a process, you know, everybody
[00:06:23] wants to scam the system, and and it's rather very
[00:06:27] unfortunate, everybody at every
[00:06:30] level, um, I had you before I came on
[00:06:34] on on on the set, you are talking about the traffic case
[00:06:38] here, I mean the traffic situation around here, that was not government.
[00:06:43] it was because Nigerians are impatient and
[00:06:47] and everybody wants to take advantage the other person and like I always
[00:06:50] say, look, the problem of Nigeria is not corruption, it is
[00:06:54] indiscipline and bureaucracy, what will it cost you to
[00:06:58] wait for one second a traffic
[00:07:01] um um light,
[00:07:03] you know to or or give way for somebody
[00:07:07] else to pass and and when you when you look at our
[00:07:11] attitude, as people
[00:07:13] we we need to reori reorient ourselves, if you if you
[00:07:17] if you go to a public place where there is lift and you want to enter the
[00:07:21] lift rather than people quewing up and entering
[00:07:25] gently you see them rushing in and then the first person who who gets
[00:07:29] there is pressing clos close the door again is you know
[00:07:33] mean he's not waiting for other people who are waiting
[00:07:36] with with him to come into the into the lift so these
[00:07:40] are problems that mean look the president is not going to come on on
[00:07:44] this road to to um direct
[00:07:47] traffic
[00:07:53] how where do we move from here now yes the
[00:07:57] the case is done with or is there any other thing that could come up this case
[00:08:01] is so how is this going to help our
[00:08:05] power situation if we have the 3000 plus
[00:08:09] megaws okay for years we have not been able to
[00:08:13] move forward on that hydropower is very
[00:08:16] significant for many reasons, one it
[00:08:20] is, mean the initial cost may be high, but
[00:08:23] operationally
[00:08:25] it is far far cheaper to run a hydropower, you don't have to be
[00:08:29] buying uh gas or diesel all the time to
[00:08:32] run a hydropower station, two, if you
[00:08:36] build that kind of hydropower, you can use it to mitigate
[00:08:40] against flooding in that. you can use it for
[00:08:44] agricultural benefits and so on and so forth. imagine
[00:08:48] uh today we have um about
[00:08:52] 80% of our uh generation capacity
[00:08:55] is uh gas fired and you you
[00:08:59] know that recently um most them are not
[00:09:03] operating because um the fact that they were they are
[00:09:07] unable to pay um for the
[00:09:09] gas to the from from the gas suppliers,
[00:09:13] so this has caused a lot of
[00:09:17] problems, that is why we talk about
[00:09:20] 13, 600 capacity or 16, who
[00:09:24] depending on who is whose whose records w we're
[00:09:28] looking at of generation capacity in Nigeria, and only about
[00:09:32] 4 to 5% is is is delivered to
[00:09:35] consumers uh due to all the
[00:09:38] atc andc uh
[00:09:41] losses, so This hydropower is a game changer, it
[00:09:45] is cheaper to run even to the consumer, you
[00:09:48] know, it's cheaper when you when you
[00:09:52] supply um power
[00:09:54] through um um hydropower, it's
[00:09:58] cheaper, it's um, it's environmentally
[00:10:01] friendly and so on and so for, we can go ahead, I mean go on and
[00:10:05] on and talk about uh the advantages of a
[00:10:09] hydroelectric power um...
[00:10:13] engineer, maybe so to the issue that you me
[00:10:17] asked, we know the viability and
[00:10:20] everything, all the wonderful ideas and all that you're talking
[00:10:23] about, funding a... always been an issue and then
[00:10:26] you know i talked about process the other time concept of
[00:10:30] this initiative started in 1972 from where we gathered, the whole
[00:10:34] idea of it, taking off the ground started sometime in the
[00:10:37] 80s,
[00:10:38] and we are still talking about this same project
[00:10:41] now, what in your opinion are the major huddles
[00:10:45] now, mean we can say that the legal this legal victory is a
[00:10:49] significant bottleneck taking off, what in your
[00:10:53] opinion are the legal at? at the huddles, other
[00:10:57] huddles, this legally is taking out the way now, what are the huddles that you
[00:11:01] think this project must confront or confront this
[00:11:04] project from taking off now and from seeing the light of
[00:11:07] day? i will
[00:11:11] have to again commend the present
[00:11:15] government, because honestly funding
[00:11:19] is really not a problem in Nigeria if the will is
[00:11:23] there, remember, and i i i
[00:11:28] beg your pardon to to also um
[00:11:32] do reference that is slightly different. remember
[00:11:35] that the second niger bridge was on the drawing board for
[00:11:39] over 40 something years and eventually a government came
[00:11:43] and constructed that second it is going to be the same with this
[00:11:47] one and so when people are talking about the APC government they must
[00:11:51] also appreciate some the things that they have done you have said
[00:11:55] 1972, I was in form 2 in 1972, that's
[00:11:59] exactly 50, 54 years
[00:12:02] ago, I mean 50, yeah, 54 years ago, now this government has
[00:12:06] broken a jinx, one the problems is that when
[00:12:10] you start a process like this, people come to take advantage
[00:12:14] the system, and one the reasons why we could
[00:12:18] not find um um
[00:12:21] fund for it, it's because when you have case in court.
[00:12:25] concerning simple matter, people are
[00:12:29] scared to come into it because they don't know where
[00:12:32] the um the the the
[00:12:36] the uh pendulum will swing and so
[00:12:38] they are afraid now this project is very viable so there
[00:12:45] and is no reason why we should and any case you as you have seen recently the micro
[00:12:49] economic factors of of Nigeria has
[00:12:52] improved and people are,
[00:12:55] are are rushing to bring money to fund
[00:12:59] projects in Nigeria, because the project itself is very viable, so
[00:13:03] why will we find it difficult? I know,
[00:13:07] because I was in the pr, I mean, I was, I was at the top level
[00:13:10] the the par sector, so I know
[00:13:14] that there are so many organizations, so many countries that
[00:13:18] are willing
[00:13:20] to fund this project, because it is very viable, Nigeria
[00:13:24] requires up to... 40,00 megw, we are today
[00:13:27] playing around with only about 4 to 500 mahts, why will
[00:13:31] anybody not come? mean, it's like the case of uh uh you
[00:13:35] go to a place and people are not wearing shoes and then
[00:13:39] somebody comes and say oh i'm not going to advertise my shoes there because
[00:13:43] people are not wearing shoes and somebody comes to say oh
[00:13:45] send the 10 10 uh containers
[00:13:49] of of shoes because those people need need shoes and they will buy it so
[00:13:53] nigerians need power. and don't forget
[00:13:57] that right now there is tremendous uh
[00:14:01] demand increase because of what is happening
[00:14:04] because the fact that and and this is also another problem that I need to
[00:14:08] highlight, look when people say that you can take your
[00:14:12] Nira card abroad and and and and spend up to
[00:14:16] 40,00, 50,00, 100 thousand depending on the bank that you
[00:14:20] use, imagine that you have factory and motor
[00:14:23] there is is is is... is fault and
[00:14:27] you have to wait, you have to apply to the bank and wait for
[00:14:31] foreign exchange, and then this week they have only, they can only
[00:14:35] get you $2,000 until six months before
[00:14:39] you can get uh $50,00, but today the the
[00:14:43] the the the company will take a Nira card, go abroad, buy
[00:14:47] that moto, fly it in, and in three days that
[00:14:51] production line
[00:14:59] trying to say that I'm trying to say that there will be
[00:15:03] increase in demand for power as as as
[00:15:07] as as the government talking about I'm talking about the hodles that this
[00:15:10] project has to come from there the hodle is
[00:15:14] principally the political will to
[00:15:17] execute it which we have seen that government is
[00:15:21] desirous there are those
[00:15:23] so who also wonder whether or not the we have the expertise in country or
[00:15:27] we have to import it, the issue that that
[00:15:30] existed that that brought this whole one uh whole conversation
[00:15:34] we're having right now is the same issue of expertise isn't it? as you
[00:15:37] said we need 40,000, we have maybe we are undulating around 4 to
[00:15:41] 4, you know the the truth of matter is that where this well
[00:15:45] there is a way um who are
[00:15:49] the people who built the the um the
[00:15:52] existing hydro power, some them are still in Nigeria
[00:15:56] today, those engineers are in the charter
[00:16:00] institute of power engineers, of course even
[00:16:03] abroad they use Nigerian
[00:16:06] expertise. even in the in the
[00:16:09] um in the in the
[00:16:12] nuclear uh power sector so the the
[00:16:16] the experts are within Nigeria and all over
[00:16:20] the country when we are ready the experts are
[00:16:24] available
[00:16:25] and I can assure you that Nigerian power engineers are
[00:16:28] competent and well trained some them have worked in pas
[00:16:32] stations abroad some them are trained abroad some them
[00:16:35] have helped to build. power stations, nuclear power
[00:16:39] stations and all kinds of things abroad, so the the problem of
[00:16:43] of um of
[00:16:45] um experties is really not there, mean look the world is
[00:16:49] a is a is a is a global village these days and
[00:16:52] what whatever we don't have we'll bring it in and just
[00:16:56] like we are exporting some of our experts to other parts the world,
[00:17:00] while we uh
[00:17:01] we were waiting for all of this legal issues to be solved
[00:17:05] and you know the man no,
[00:17:09] hydro no, electric, the legal issues have been, that's what I'm saying, I said while we were waiting, yes
[00:17:13] other sources of energy,
[00:17:15] you know, came up, we're talking about, we're talking about solar and wind
[00:17:19] energy now, uh, would you say that this um
[00:17:23] hydroelectric power is
[00:17:27] economically viable in terms of you
[00:17:30] know, if you look at the cost to do solar, lot
[00:17:34] of people were talking about solar houses, businesses
[00:17:38] handling that uh would you say it's still you know
[00:17:41] economically um it's cheaper or it's
[00:17:45] more expensive for us to still continue with it
[00:17:49] or we should explore this other no on the a large
[00:17:52] scale the hydro electric power
[00:17:56] system is cheaper on the long run and on the large
[00:18:00] scale look solar power you can use solar power for mini
[00:18:03] grid suitable for rural areas and the under
[00:18:08] that's faster
[00:18:09] for for the rural areas, for the underserved, don't forget
[00:18:13] that about 38.9%,
[00:18:16] according to the world bank of nigerians today don't have access
[00:18:20] to power,
[00:18:22] you know, and the initial cost of also uh
[00:18:25] using solar for single dwelling
[00:18:28] houses is also still high, it's coming
[00:18:32] down gradually, but on the long grown the
[00:18:35] hydropower when you're to spread it over a long
[00:18:39] area and and don't forget that Nigeria has a
[00:18:42] 250 million people, you know, and like I said, the
[00:18:46] demand for power is increasing every day,
[00:18:50] every day, because um, the economy is
[00:18:54] getting better and therefore we're attracting foreign direct
[00:18:57] investment, the factories are kicking
[00:19:00] back to to operations, so we will need
[00:19:04] you know um a quantum leak. in that
[00:19:08] sector and so it will be and very
[00:19:11] environmentally friendly as well, like I said, once you start
[00:19:15] uh once once it is uh completed and you start
[00:19:19] running it, you don't need to buy gas every day, but there is a challenge of
[00:19:22] portability um of what portability, by
[00:19:26] that I mean just as you said solar is faster, just one infrastructure you took
[00:19:30] it to your house, but to get hydropower across you need a
[00:19:34] lot of infrastructure and all of those things and there are those who are wondering...
[00:19:37] you know is the technology that the
[00:19:41] mandilla power plant was designed around, is it still
[00:19:45] as viable as it was then? very very viable, there is, mean
[00:19:48] look, where did we build um, what's that the name the
[00:19:52] hydropower station in in
[00:19:56] um this place? we built it in 1960 something and it's still working
[00:20:00] very well, it's still look,
[00:20:02] what i'm talking about is the infrastructure to take power around? no, it's
[00:20:05] it's transmission line, okay? I mean that that's that's that in
[00:20:09] fact what what will happen is that once my billa is there will be
[00:20:13] able to use it uh imagine we're talking
[00:20:16] about uh
[00:20:17] 3,900 because it is
[00:20:21] in taraba state it will be easier to spread
[00:20:25] uh transmission lines in the northern part
[00:20:29] the country you know and leave this part
[00:20:33] to you know to to to what we are we are already
[00:20:36] using. imagine that Legos alone uses, I
[00:20:40] think, if I'm right, about 40% the power
[00:20:43] availability in Nigeria, you understand what I mean, and
[00:20:47] and and it will be shorter to spread ' transmission
[00:20:50] lines within that region as well, if you if you
[00:20:54] put 300 on that side and with the
[00:20:58] the 30 to 5,000 we we already have 500
[00:21:02] megws and then because of that also some
[00:21:06] the um
[00:21:08] um stranded power in in in in the
[00:21:12] existing power stations will be available, look at the
[00:21:16] kind of um development that is springing up around
[00:21:20] as is there, they don't have enough power, to run that. okay,
[00:21:24] now you domesticate, you just went to some other question that
[00:21:28] i have in mind, which is states now have the
[00:21:31] authority to produce their own electricity, to generate their own
[00:21:35] electricity, transmit and distribute and all of that. um, do you
[00:21:39] see that as huddle particularly concerning this? especially since as you
[00:21:43] said, it's in one state, but then there are many other states that may
[00:21:46] have to benefit from it. no, there's no holdle in that.
[00:21:51] um
[00:21:51] of course because because the electricity act is
[00:21:55] - too is
[00:21:59] has just been amended in 2003, some the states are just getting
[00:22:02] their acts together 2023,
[00:22:06] 2026, the in mean some states are just getting their acts together,
[00:22:10] the truth of matter is that it will take them some time
[00:22:13] to um um find a
[00:22:17] balance, but what they are going to be concentrate. on now like
[00:22:21] like I said is the on the south and those who are
[00:22:24] not uh presently enjoying pass
[00:22:28] supply so you can imagine a place uh where they
[00:22:31] don't have electricity supply now the government can build
[00:22:35] mini solar grids they can have their own local
[00:22:39] uh distribution system to supply those areas
[00:22:43] i know for instance that uh in Undu state there
[00:22:46] is a power station that is coming up in
[00:22:50] um or motor show ayol state and in several states they are doing
[00:22:54] many many hydro uh power stations and so on and so
[00:22:58] forth so what will happen is that those underserved areas
[00:23:02] those people who don't have presently have access you know
[00:23:06] the advantage is that all of those places if you
[00:23:10] many the reasons why the reasons why people want to come and set up
[00:23:13] factories in shagamu in in
[00:23:17] lagos is is because of electricity. so when you have
[00:23:21] states able to have their own grid and regulate
[00:23:25] their apart system, those people who have factories there
[00:23:29] don't have to come to lego, so if the if you if you are growing
[00:23:33] casava in area, you don't
[00:23:36] have to come and build your your factory in legos and transportation, the cost of
[00:23:40] transportation of moving the the uh raw materials
[00:23:44] which is for processing, because if you have
[00:23:48] power in those local areas. as those um
[00:23:52] um um goods can just
[00:23:55] move within less
[00:23:57] than 1 km and also if this mambila is designed in
[00:24:01] such a way that it will also help
[00:24:04] um um the agricultural output
[00:24:08] in that area irrigation and so on and so forth that's that's the
[00:24:11] design for the mambia power hydroelectric
[00:24:15] power uh system so that 24 and
[00:24:19] and and and if you if you notice if you go
[00:24:22] to um Abuja today we eat
[00:24:25] corn all throughout the year in
[00:24:32] most the corn is is is grown um
[00:24:35] with the irrigation system and so this
[00:24:39] is what we happen it will be a massive boost
[00:24:43] for agriculture it will be a massive boost for
[00:24:46] industrialization imagine that we we
[00:24:50] 50% of our agricultural products
[00:24:53] perish when they are moved in uh
[00:24:57] vehicles that are not suitable all the way from the north
[00:25:01] to or from the from the east to to to this part the
[00:25:05] country for instance banana in two days
[00:25:09] those bananas have ripen ripened
[00:25:12] um tomato so if you have
[00:25:16] uh mambialla working in those areas and there is factory for.
[00:25:20] processing um tomato in that
[00:25:22] area exactly, exactly, and then for preservation as
[00:25:26] well, you can put your your refrigeration systems
[00:25:30] close to the areas where you have, I mean look, when we go
[00:25:34] abroad, you see fruits, they are there for six months and
[00:25:38] these fruits, flowers, you know, we can export flowers
[00:25:41] if we if we if we preserve them properly, okay, um,
[00:25:45] you have said that um, it would create lot of you
[00:25:49] ' economic effect
[00:25:53] in in the yes and you also said if there is the political will to do
[00:25:57] it, i'm saying that
[00:25:58] it is there is okay so if it starts from
[00:26:02] start to finish, how long do you think it would take? well,
[00:26:06] i guess that that will be about three years, um,
[00:26:10] guess, that will be about three years, you know, but that's not a long
[00:26:13] time
[00:26:20] lot a lot is happening around here, like i said, we
[00:26:23] have um almost um
[00:26:27] electricity capacity of about 16, megawatts, in the
[00:26:30] interim government is doing a lot. for instance um
[00:26:34] paying legacy debts is one the reasons
[00:26:37] why you can see that uh production is going to be a
[00:26:41] bit higher now because um when you pay
[00:26:45] for gas that you have - that you for
[00:26:48] for for which you are owing so much the gas suppliers can supply and
[00:26:52] then production can can increase so yes it
[00:26:56] is three years but can you compare to 63
[00:26:59] years can you compare to? 63 years,
[00:27:03] 66 years, that was I said for people that have
[00:27:06] waited, so waiting for another three years is not not is
[00:27:09] not as
[00:27:16] for Nigeria to learn from this, oh so many
[00:27:19] lessons Mabila Sunriser uh so
[00:27:23] so many lessons, one is that we should
[00:27:27] only um contract
[00:27:30] competent people, not um... not
[00:27:33] rentseakers, if if if those who
[00:27:37] are involved in this are rent
[00:27:41] are people who have the passion for
[00:27:44] Nigeria, they would not have done what they have done, look, look at the
[00:27:48] fallout, I mean now in the last two days, three days,
[00:27:51] we've been reading about top government officials
[00:27:55] that were implicated in in in in
[00:27:59] influencing and money was was trans fard
[00:28:03] around, I mean, that is, look, look, what do we want to do
[00:28:07] with all of this money? every Nigerian of our
[00:28:11] age, our passion should be to leave behind a
[00:28:14] legacy, a country that is working, so that our children will not
[00:28:18] cause us and that's what this government is doing.
[00:28:22] guess that somebody like presidentubu doesn't even
[00:28:26] need to do politics, you
[00:28:29] know, and and so many of our... leaders who are
[00:28:33] desirous of of
[00:28:35] of of creating change that will be lasting, and this
[00:28:39] is the lesson, that change must be lasting, it must not be
[00:28:42] superficial, and we must continue this fight
[00:28:46] against corruption, like I said, corruption is a
[00:28:50] byproduct of
[00:29:01] governments every... is looking at and talking
[00:29:04] about privatization, um, how
[00:29:08] significantly do
[00:29:09] you see that happening particularly in incrementally,
[00:29:13] particularly in the power sector? you said we need 40,000
[00:29:17] megawatts right now with this mandilla power
[00:29:20] plant, we don't even have up to 8,000 megaws and we need
[00:29:24] 40, so that's some kind of call for
[00:29:27] privatization, how do you see that playing in in the
[00:29:31] privatization is?
[00:29:32] It's a is a process and it will eventually come to us
[00:29:36] and you have seen that um
[00:29:40] although we didn't get it quite right
[00:29:43] you know privatization has happened in in the power
[00:29:46] sector most the power plants today apart
[00:29:49] from uh um the hydro
[00:29:53] power station in um in um the north
[00:29:57] in um jeba i think
[00:30:00] yes there is not i mean all the other power stations are owned
[00:30:04] by individuals except the ones that by Niger
[00:30:08] delta power holding company limited which is jointly owned by all
[00:30:12] the mean by the federation all the states the federal government
[00:30:15] and so on and so forth but there are so many power plants now so
[00:30:18] privatization will eventually um catch up on
[00:30:22] us okay but also remember that that will
[00:30:26] happen when the sector is more
[00:30:29] productive when the sector becomes more productive. people will
[00:30:33] be encouraged to come and set up power plants today lot of people
[00:30:37] are setting up mini grids all over the
[00:30:40] the country you know and and they supply local
[00:30:43] areas so yes privatization will
[00:30:46] happen um and then don't forget that even
[00:30:50] in in in in in other countries when you when you
[00:30:53] build um solar power plant for your
[00:30:56] house uh you can sell the excess that you don't