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[00:00:26] political battle is already taking shape and
[00:00:29] of increasingly the biggest. fights are not necessarily between the APC and
[00:00:32] of the opposition, but within the political camp around
[00:00:34] presidentubu. At the
[00:00:37] of center is the FCT minister, a PDP chifton who says
[00:00:41] his support for President Tinubu is unwavering, yet whose
[00:00:45] of cross-party mobilization has put him a collision course with
[00:00:49] APC governors. His so-called rainbow
[00:00:53] a coalition has raised a fundamental question: is wik
[00:00:57] strengthening Tinable's political machinery or? creating a
[00:01:00] parallel center of
[00:01:02] a influence. the pushback from the APC
[00:01:05] of governors has been unmistakable from disagreements over political structures
[00:01:09] and party tickets to the continuing ramifications
[00:01:12] of the reverse political crisis. the relationship between week and some
[00:01:16] governors has exposed the fierce struggle for control
[00:01:19] ahead of 2027. at the same time the factions
[00:01:23] are accelerating, opposition parties are attempting to
[00:01:26] regroup and politicians across the country. are repositioning
[00:01:30] themselves for what could be a consequential electoral
[00:01:34] cycle? behind the public declarations is a deeper
[00:01:38] contest over who controls the parties, who controls the
[00:01:41] states, who controls the political narrative going into
[00:01:44] 2027? so where does this leave
[00:01:47] of president tinubu, the APC governors, wik and the emerging
[00:01:50] opposition coalition? is the ruling party sufficiently united to
[00:01:54] manage the competing
[00:01:56] of ambitions within its ranks? can we case cross?
[00:02:00] party strategy coexis with the interests of APC governors,
[00:02:03] particularly in states where their political calculations differ,
[00:02:07] and as the battle for 2027 intensifies, is
[00:02:11] Nigeria witnessing the beginning of new political realignment.
[00:02:15] Tonight on
[00:02:15] of Hard Copy Professor For Adibe joins us
[00:02:18] of to unpack the power,
[00:02:20] of struggle, alliances and political calculations shaping Nigeria's
[00:02:23] road to
[00:02:24] 2027.
[00:02:29] of
[00:02:42] of so let's start with the biggest story right now, when you saw the emo state
[00:02:46] governor - making that statement, and then of course the
[00:02:49] back and forth afterwards, yeah, how how did
[00:02:53] of that, as a professor of political science, what, what went through your
[00:02:57] head when you
[00:02:59] of saw this particular...
[00:03:00] you know situation between the APC governors and wike? well,
[00:03:04] there are several things that this tells you, first of all
[00:03:08] uh, in theory people talk about party supremacy, but
[00:03:11] what we are seeing now is not party supremacy, but
[00:03:15] supremacy of one man, because all the other
[00:03:18] parties, you must stay governor, uh,
[00:03:22] mean i stay governor, elty uh, oshin
[00:03:26] state governor, from different parties, first of all
[00:03:29] of you have to declare your alliance to tinubu,
[00:03:33] so
[00:03:34] yeson wike maintaining to
[00:03:35] of be member
[00:03:36] of the PDP, you wants everybody to believe
[00:03:39] that all his mission is
[00:03:41] of to make tinu
[00:03:44] of uh give him a second term as president, so it is
[00:03:47] movement away from people are talking
[00:03:50] about movement towards one party, no
[00:03:54] it's really showing us
[00:03:56] of about the rule of one man, that's one thing, the second is that...
[00:04:00] anywhere you think
[00:04:01] of there are competing centers of power, you have to look at this as
[00:04:04] competing centers of power with all you respect
[00:04:08] as violated what we call all the laws of
[00:04:12] of power, of for example one
[00:04:14] of the key laws of power is that you do not compete with
[00:04:17] your you
[00:04:18] of know with your master for media
[00:04:21] of space where he holds media monthly media palace
[00:04:25] i don't
[00:04:25] think any other minister or even the vp can do that and survive
[00:04:29] so that raises number of questions of what
[00:04:32] is really the nature of agreement
[00:04:36] of between wike and the president tinubu. you can see we during the
[00:04:40] time of fubara, the APC structure also tried to support
[00:04:43] fubara, president eventually overroll them, so
[00:04:47] people are wondering what is really the nature, and it's not just
[00:04:51] about delivering that he has moved
[00:04:54] of away uh, by the last count he say about 10 senators under
[00:04:58] that you that uh the rainbow coalition
[00:05:02] and -
[00:05:03] of moved away from not just going gone beyond river states to other
[00:05:06] states, gombe, kwara
[00:05:09] and the rest
[00:05:11] of of them, so is he trying now
[00:05:12] to mimic? uh what Tim would
[00:05:15] did as the godfather of legos politics where he used Legos as
[00:05:19] pedestal and extended his control to most
[00:05:23] of virtually all the southwest states including even kwara
[00:05:27] and to a certain extent cogistate is that what he was trying to do
[00:05:31] so is also for the governors is about the diminition their
[00:05:35] own influence so when we talk about competing centers of
[00:05:38] power the governors themselves are supposed to be one the
[00:05:42] keys of power in terms of access to the president,
[00:05:46] and wick does not hide it, especially if you look at his media
[00:05:49] pall, how he was talking about how he delivered, how the
[00:05:53] g5 delivered,
[00:05:56] help president to win, which means that if second
[00:06:00] term in office, who takes the credit and what will be
[00:06:04] the implications in terms of access to power, access to the
[00:06:07] presidency, that is the you have the locals of power, and then you
[00:06:11] have various of power that to
[00:06:14] define, and they are often stratified, so
[00:06:17] it's about competing for influence, not
[00:06:21] just about, it's not about president, and the president has
[00:06:25] allowed things that ordinarily, many
[00:06:29] people said will be impossible under what we call the laws of
[00:06:32] power, he's like a bride, isn't he, our
[00:06:36] president, buse he's
[00:06:38] enjoying, is it, it feels like with the...
[00:06:42] governors, he's at the helm of it, they want him to come back
[00:06:46] right, and then he has wik on this side who wants him to come back as well,
[00:06:50] so if they are both fighting, what they'l be calling for will be accessed to
[00:06:53] him, yeah, so he's like the bride in this, but there's a danger in it, there is
[00:06:57] danger, the danger there is that if you allow one
[00:07:01] center, say for example, even if outside the
[00:07:04] rivers and to some extent
[00:07:08] FCT, if you push for example that the other,
[00:07:12] other states where the APC governors are and that you rely on
[00:07:16] wiki to deliver that state, the governors will work across
[00:07:20] proposes and we have seen it in several states where
[00:07:24] people, people who lose nomination
[00:07:28] do anti-party and ensure that whoever was nominated will not
[00:07:31] win, so that's a big danger for tinuble that well who takes
[00:07:35] credit if he is
[00:07:38] re-elected and what will be the implications the
[00:07:42] growing influence as it is seen, there are also people who believe that
[00:07:46] well, we don't really know President
[00:07:49] Tinubo's thoughts about weak until he secure
[00:07:52] secondary
[00:07:53] term, but
[00:07:57] because right now he presents himself as the strong man, not just of
[00:08:01] reverse politics, so it is important for him to put project
[00:08:05] himself as not just being limited to river state and
[00:08:08] defc, well he won the the the
[00:08:12] the... that were conducted in FCT and in Rivers, it
[00:08:15] was, by his loyalist, so in that sense, he
[00:08:19] will say he was the strong man, but then you are only
[00:08:23] as strong as the political cover provided
[00:08:27] to you by the man at the center, do you ever do you see the president taking
[00:08:30] sides with the governors on this one? well, it
[00:08:34] is, it's like - the devil and d blue sea,
[00:08:38] yes, you cannot, as far as my own
[00:08:42] personal... because sorry to catch because you did mention before that in many
[00:08:45] many and i saw this happen in river state where it
[00:08:49] was clear we had mr entawe professor he was
[00:08:53] here and he said no no no the leadership the
[00:08:56] party is the governor yeah they got in they did
[00:09:00] everything at that time to show that look we support our
[00:09:04] governor but the president remember what the what
[00:09:08] remember i want to use the right word the president overturned
[00:09:12] just
[00:09:14] do you see the president doing the same thing now? i think that will be a dangerous
[00:09:18] scheme,
[00:09:19] you i remember that time the president was quoted, one of his spokes people was quoted
[00:09:23] as saying well um is
[00:09:27] the governor of legal state doesn't mean that he was the leader the
[00:09:31] party, he was the leader over, because the leader the party,
[00:09:35] yes, but we don't know, some people are saying that okay,
[00:09:38] whatever agreement existed between them and nobody really. goes
[00:09:42] to extent to which the G5 delivered, perhaps
[00:09:46] there are other agreements and grave, grave vine is our wash with different
[00:09:50] theories and hypothesis on the relationship between them, as
[00:09:54] I said, this will become clearer if tin gets a second
[00:09:57] term, but as far as we know there are certain laws of
[00:10:01] power that nobody can violate and remain in power
[00:10:05] that's you know we can
[00:10:08] you violence that with them with impunity and nothing has happened
[00:10:12] so we don't. "know the relationship, but I think that you
[00:10:15] cannot go to a state control by an
[00:10:18] APC and expect that weeker will have
[00:10:22] more influence there, because..." the rainbow
[00:10:25] coalition, the way some people will say
[00:10:28] it is that it tries to mobilize support, say for example you're in
[00:10:31] state b and you're APC governor and then I can mobilize
[00:10:35] support of PDP, other parties and then
[00:10:39] in contestation with you,
[00:10:41] you to diminish your influence so that if eventually he
[00:10:45] triumphs, because I think that's that's the problem and I i don't
[00:10:49] think many people understand why the governors are very upset about this coalition thing, because
[00:10:53] we can may have interests. that are different from the interests
[00:10:57] the APC in the state, so if he's allowed
[00:11:00] and with the backing the president able to move rainbow
[00:11:04] coalition into your state, and people are even
[00:11:07] saying, what if what if his interests are different from the interest the governor, which means that he
[00:11:11] will diminish you, he's already even if it is he delivers the
[00:11:15] president or the president wins that state, now
[00:11:19] he is responsible for delivering that it becomes an argument, and
[00:11:23] people are also questioning. while is
[00:11:26] wiki so concerned about maintaining political
[00:11:29] structure after being governor
[00:11:33] is he trying to play tinubu of legos to become
[00:11:37] so what
[00:11:38] I'm saying having ambitions
[00:11:41] no no there's nothing wrong but as you have
[00:11:42] your own ambition to so you you mobilize a contrarian forces also
[00:11:46] to make sure that you know your ambition does not diminish them
[00:11:50] his principal did the same thing that's
[00:11:52] what i'm saying would did the same thing. but people did not
[00:11:56] fold your arms, you okay, know,
[00:11:57] yes, they fought him, so they also fighting him, so otherwise
[00:12:01] ordinarily, most people, when you move governors, when you finish
[00:12:05] exhaust your second time, you try to go and retire in the senate or look for the
[00:12:09] mystery position and from there, gradually gl, are you
[00:12:13] saying, are you saying, i would not allow you do
[00:12:17] this, are you saying that our senators are retiring,
[00:12:21] many the governors retired retirement.
[00:12:25] place to gradually get a ministerial position and
[00:12:28] gradually slide, glide into
[00:12:31] anonymity, people forget ever existed, that's the
[00:12:34] tendency, not in in state they try to
[00:12:38] do it with then
[00:12:40] or you know this thing, where somebody tried, i think
[00:12:44] a point when he set up the PPA after being governor,
[00:12:48] where you try to create a structure so that you control continue
[00:12:52] to pull the strings and maybe replay what happened
[00:12:55] in lagos? i think there has been a fascination by
[00:12:59] some political actors about how to was able
[00:13:03] to retain control the southwest, substantial control the
[00:13:07] southwest, many years after he had become the governor, so for
[00:13:11] people who are really enamored by power and is apportinances,
[00:13:14] they they keep on trying to see if they could is possible to replicate the
[00:13:18] tinoble model, mean
[00:13:22] from the i you're from academia right,
[00:13:26] so I have tendency to want to get to the bottom of
[00:13:30] things, yes sir, because we cannot continue uh
[00:13:33] to, there's a saying in my place, the say for he that once had lost his
[00:13:37] way, yeah, the further he dot go, the further he dot stay, yeah, so
[00:13:41] let's go back, the concept of rainbow
[00:13:45] coalition, and I've asked this question before, I ask professor denkalo, he said it's a
[00:13:48] criminal enterprise as far as he concerned, he's going to do progressive thinking, that's for
[00:13:52] him, but the idea of...
[00:13:56] rainbow coalition, does is this, is this an era where we are now
[00:13:59] legitimizing anti-party activities, uh,
[00:14:03] is there a shift from just party uh,
[00:14:07] party structures to now progressive thinkers regardless of party
[00:14:11] structures coming together, is this
[00:14:13] an aberation or is this progressive thought in your view? well, label
[00:14:17] is level, you can call yourself progressive, even
[00:14:21] just like people uh, north korea calls
[00:14:25] democratic republic of Korea, so label we
[00:14:29] just go beyond the political levels, but what I think is not actually
[00:14:33] very factual to say that it
[00:14:35] has not existed, even
[00:14:37] in the first republic you have
[00:14:40] sometimes especially opposition parties or those
[00:14:44] wanting to get power,
[00:14:47] you know come together, you have progressive
[00:14:50] opga, you have a PPA, you have
[00:14:54] several. alliances that have been tried, even the
[00:14:56] NCNC,
[00:14:58] you know, they have the opga, NNA alliance and the rest them, so it
[00:15:02] is not what is unique about this is that somebody
[00:15:05] who obviously says he belongs to another party,
[00:15:09] PDP, that all he wants to do is to deliver the
[00:15:12] president, but he never promised the president, he never promised
[00:15:16] anyone that he will deliver senators or
[00:15:19] governors, so in river state kingsley chinder had
[00:15:23] already becoming anointed. and he's a loyalist of
[00:15:27] weak when APC itself also has his own politic
[00:15:30] candidate, so that creates a lot of problems and I think you
[00:15:34] know people say tin is master strategist. "how are you
[00:15:38] sure he's not playing this game because we don't even know sometimes what the politicians
[00:15:42] do, but I think somehow something will go will
[00:15:45] given, something, something has to give, something may give, all right, we'll
[00:15:49] still talk about the coalition and the rainbow
[00:15:53] coalition, the rainbow coalitions, and
[00:15:56] the the the the type of political error we are entering
[00:15:59] into with the political minds that we have and the political class that we
[00:16:03] are dealing with, so
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[00:16:59] to the concept, you think quite answer my question before went on the break, is this progressive thought
[00:17:03] in your view or is this regression? is this
[00:17:06] aberration? trying to uh
[00:17:09] normalize, are we normalizing the bazar? no, i
[00:17:13] answered it, i say progress, you said it's not new, the concept of
[00:17:16] being progressive or being a reactionary is just
[00:17:20] level, so you can you remember when tinubu and the rest
[00:17:24] them were in no position, they appropriated the you know monica
[00:17:28] of a progressive, the were the progressives, so i also told you
[00:17:32] that in northern north korea where many people
[00:17:35] believe is is... very dictatorial is democratic republic
[00:17:39] of Korea, so it's we go beyond the level to the
[00:17:42] practices, we are going to see what I i don't see any
[00:17:46] principle that is driving the conserversation
[00:17:49] of so-called rainbow, is just about control of
[00:17:53] inference about self preservation, self preservation in the
[00:17:57] sense that we said himself that if he
[00:18:01] if doesn't win the opposition will come after him, that is one way to look
[00:18:05] at it, another way to look it is this thing. about centers of power,
[00:18:09] there are competing centers and we use the word competing,
[00:18:12] wik has set up hself as a center, an independent center of
[00:18:16] power that is answerable onto the president, and then you have the
[00:18:20] governors, you have the progressive governors forum, you and
[00:18:24] that is supposed to be the apex in terms of things about
[00:18:28] the party, now who has the ears the president, that is the
[00:18:32] issue at stake, he can have both, well our
[00:18:35] bride, Yeah, I think yes for
[00:18:39] him, he will feel good about it, the idea that everybody is
[00:18:42] remember, the danger is there, all the political parties at that
[00:18:46] time,
[00:18:47] you know, um, nominated Abacha
[00:18:51] as their own presidential candidate, so it's it's also know
[00:18:55] when you are being humored, when no when
[00:18:57] you know uh psychopants are everywhere and know when people
[00:19:01] are using you as venir for their own
[00:19:04] intra-elite struggles, for their own ambitions. you didn't mention that the
[00:19:08] this president of ours is master
[00:19:11] strategist, whatever the veneers they are
[00:19:15] creating or whatever games they're playing, ultimately he is secured in
[00:19:18] his seat, which may be his ultimate goal in the end, yeah to be secured in that
[00:19:22] seat, so regardless of what you're doing, does it affect how I am comfortable
[00:19:26] here, no it doesn't, so
[00:19:28] you you can go, it can affect, so that's what I wanted to go to, is there something the president should be
[00:19:32] worried about, is there a way this bickering can affect him, if for
[00:19:36] example let's say for example the president wants to make it
[00:19:39] clear that I'm in this camp, I don't, I
[00:19:43] don't see him say doing that, I see him playing this game
[00:19:47] of trying, trying not silence, trying to,
[00:19:50] you know, like a wick himself say
[00:19:53] in India,
[00:19:53] you give one side, give one side, so that's probably what you would
[00:19:57] do, if he comes out to see one side, there is decisive victory,
[00:20:01] because somehow wik has come up with this persona of somebody who can
[00:20:04] deliver, a political muslim man who knows how... muscle his way to
[00:20:08] you deliver and if now say
[00:20:11] okay, i'm for governors, you are, you are
[00:20:15] done, well, for as long as he remains in that cabinet, he may give
[00:20:19] you superficial alligance, and if
[00:20:22] things don't go well in in terms of your relation,
[00:20:26] you come around and say the day they remove marginalized me was the day the whole thing
[00:20:30] started, and so will also be the narrative the governors, so
[00:20:34] if the governors don't feel that they are properly,
[00:20:37] integrated, properly taken that they are in charge their own
[00:20:41] enclaves, their own states and something doesn't
[00:20:45] go as planned, politics is a complex game, some them may
[00:20:49] play antipathy. activities then they will say, well he
[00:20:53] chose wiike over us, let wike deliver
[00:20:56] him, i don't,
[00:20:58] i don't know how, so it's it's good to be a good bride, it's good to be a
[00:21:02] bride, but
[00:21:02] you can los, you can lose both
[00:21:05] suuters, terrible, and then don't
[00:21:09] forget that the opposition elements are trying to also
[00:21:12] seam where the you know how they could tap into
[00:21:16] that whole situation and profit from it, so if it is going
[00:21:20] to you find a way to if you can get the
[00:21:24] support of one group or succently very
[00:21:27] tactically support one group against
[00:21:30] yother is our is our political landscape
[00:21:34] changing in your view from academia if you're taking a look at who we are
[00:21:38] right now as a country and and how we do
[00:21:41] politics with this political class that we deal with,
[00:21:45] i've never metsed words when i say we have probably
[00:21:49] the most irresponsible. political class i've ever
[00:21:51] seen anywhere in the world, class that cares only about itself and not about any the
[00:21:55] people beneath it and does nothing, nothing at all to uplift the people that are
[00:21:59] beneath them, but you may disagree with me, i agree, i'm not
[00:22:02] disag, it has always been the same, it has always been the same, but i think it's time to start
[00:22:06] saying it, people need to understand that this is what we're dealing with, now with
[00:22:10] the political class that we have and the landscape that we have, the weekak factor, the
[00:22:14] new style of politics, the godfatherism, the the master
[00:22:18] strategist president that we have right now. It's a different country from when
[00:22:21] Bukhari was in governance, what do you think is going to
[00:22:25] happen if he wins the next election, if president
[00:22:29] comes back and finishes for four more years, what happens in
[00:22:33] your mind to our political landscape, what kind of country do you see us having
[00:22:36] then? well, I wouldn't want to say if he wins, but I can tell
[00:22:40] you in, first of all, there are group dynamics in
[00:22:43] politics, politics drives on mobilizing various
[00:22:46] identities, so all people that are saying, let's stop technique
[00:22:50] identity are not being realistic even across the world
[00:22:54] you mobilize, that's why you talk about blue workers
[00:22:57] uh hispanic votes, black votes, white, you have your
[00:23:01] own electoral geography and that still happens here,
[00:23:05] politics essentially is driven by emotions anywhere,
[00:23:09] what i see is what are the fear factors, because first of all you
[00:23:13] play up the fear factors about your opponent in terms of political
[00:23:17] strategy and then this is what you offer. to cousion the
[00:23:21] fear factors, there are several fear factors that tinubu himself will
[00:23:25] have to face, one of which is as much as they are
[00:23:29] running towards in this fear of one man rumor and
[00:23:31] dictatorship, there is also the rumor that they are
[00:23:35] spreading in some inter, social media that the whole
[00:23:39] idea is that tinubu after tinubu he wants to hand
[00:23:43] over to wike, which may be a strategy to
[00:23:47] play up the fear factor in the north. and then
[00:23:51] also they are also saying, look, if he wins, that's when he will teach you
[00:23:54] people, for those of us who are already accusing him of you
[00:23:58] urbanizing the government, the say if he wins he's going to do a, b,
[00:24:02] c, d, and that's not just him, anyone that is impower, that
[00:24:06] has been impower and seeking for re-election will
[00:24:10] always face that, so that's why the second time course,
[00:24:14] some people talk, he has advantage of incombency, but so
[00:24:18] has he also some the things. garbages are come with incumbency,
[00:24:21] especially the fear factors, the opposition would now have lot
[00:24:25] the fear factors, now just like about week growing like
[00:24:29] this, and if you listen to some the internet chatrooms
[00:24:33] that he's he's dealing with them, meaning now they
[00:24:36] are trying to play up him against the nots, he's dealing with them
[00:24:40] after he has finished his handing over to wiken, so that becomes fear
[00:24:44] factor, and these are the kind of one the drivers you're likely to
[00:24:48] see in this election, is this going to
[00:24:50] be? when i think about
[00:24:54] 2027, think i'm more scared of 2027 than was of
[00:24:58] 2023? that's why politics is an art the possible, the say
[00:25:02] out the is an possible, you can't if we can't take the heat, don't come into the kitchen, is
[00:25:06] a contact sport, if you don't want that to be dated, stay away from
[00:25:09] it, we are opposition in in Nigeria,
[00:25:13] yeah, the opposition parties, are they are they
[00:25:17] truly play, we have lot of political parties. yeah, which is
[00:25:21] interesting
[00:25:21] to me because we always end up hearing about just hearing about four or five so many
[00:25:25] so I wonder what the others do do, yeah, and then the ones that
[00:25:29] you know do speak up, very
[00:25:31] personality focused, yeah,
[00:25:35] mod slinging, yeah, as opposed to issue based
[00:25:38] criticism, uh, catch phrases and things that will trend
[00:25:42] online, maybe it's a, maybe it's just them adjusting to the
[00:25:46] reality of our country and our world, but do we have the opposition?
[00:25:51] that can stand up to in
[00:25:54] 2027, should he be afraid at all? is
[00:25:58] there anyone that can take that seat from him? i can tell you one thing, no matter
[00:26:02] there is... uh, you know, um, no matter how much you
[00:26:05] plan in terms of strategy, there will may be
[00:26:09] always one variable that you did not take into
[00:26:12] consideration, which will come up and become a game
[00:26:16] changer, when Russia, when Russia was getting into
[00:26:19] Ukraine, they never imagine it will last more than three
[00:26:23] weeks, so there is always something, and it's still a long
[00:26:27] time, three months is, six months is a long time in
[00:26:30] politics, there are so many... factor so many things
[00:26:34] that potentially you know couls
[00:26:37] a threats, but as I say, if the elections we are
[00:26:41] conducted today, that's the way we speak today, we can't talk about
[00:26:44] tomorrow, then the opposition to the extent that they are
[00:26:47] fragmented, you have
[00:26:51] a, it will become more equilion for them, however even
[00:26:55] if they don't mean what they are, you this idea of trying to
[00:26:58] present a common front, that is a...
[00:27:02] strategy, it might be unsettling the president that if it happens,
[00:27:05] you know, you keep trying to predict them, look at uh, people be
[00:27:09] going to minder presidential unveiling of his
[00:27:13] presidential campaign, so I'm sure the strategist
[00:27:17] around the president to spent several nights
[00:27:20] trying to trying to deconstruct, what does that mean, apart from
[00:27:24] that, there's actually story I just saw bukhari
[00:27:28] went to visit,
[00:27:32] what is going on, this might be nothing, it might be nothing, it might be
[00:27:36] just sending you on, so we don't
[00:27:40] know, but that's why it is politics and uh,
[00:27:44] nobody shows their hands, i personally, doubt if votes
[00:27:48] counts, i sometimes people joke, what
[00:27:52] of if two days to the election they they declare one person
[00:27:55] elected and say go to court, what are you going to do, but to the extent that
[00:27:59] they are putting so much energy in this, cases is all my
[00:28:03] life to deliver tinubu. APC governor say uh, it must be
[00:28:07] Tinobu or the heaven will break. It shows
[00:28:11] perhaps that they are taking this so serious that
[00:28:14] they believe that votes will counts and that becomes something one the
[00:28:18] unintended positive consequences the
[00:28:21] whole the whole situation,
[00:28:24] because as we as we're wrapping up, buse that's absolutely
[00:28:27] correct, if votes don't count, what's all the noise
[00:28:30] about? taking it so serious, yeah, when
[00:28:34] they could, from what we know, you know, we've seen
[00:28:38] somebody who came for to become first, so why don't you, you
[00:28:42] know, I like
[00:28:42] the way you put it, one the unintended positive consequences of all of this
[00:28:46] drama, so to the Nigerian, yes, vote, that they are
[00:28:50] thinking, that's they're worried about your vote, so come out and
[00:28:53] vote, so you better start getting rid, otherwise
[00:28:57] from what we hear from what people say about the
[00:28:59] judiciary, on the day the election before the whole
[00:29:03] thing is conducted, I declare you the
[00:29:05] winner, if you go to the streets, the
[00:29:09] police will catch you, so the only thing you do is to go to court,
[00:30:43] i cannot believe it,
[00:30:45] she's two world records in one
[00:30:49] night and she makes