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[00:01:04] APC governors versus wiki to ob versus
[00:01:07] soludo 2027 political
[00:01:10] dramas at
[00:01:16] President Bola Ahmed Chinubu is in Paris for
[00:01:19] vacation and join dinner with
[00:01:23] President Immanuel Macron of France while
[00:01:26] back home in Nigeria the polity. is over
[00:01:30] eating, this past week, the fire came
[00:01:34] from three different
[00:01:36] of directions, all pointing to one
[00:01:39] thing, namely that
[00:01:41] 2027 has arrived, four months
[00:01:45] early, dear Nigerians, you can't
[00:01:49] of miss all of this stuff that is going on, 2027
[00:01:54] of has arrived four months early, let's start with the
[00:01:57] APC governor versus wiki, the... chicken comes
[00:02:00] home to roost, the APC
[00:02:04] governors, 31
[00:02:05] of them had a meeting in Abuja at this past
[00:02:09] week and declared what
[00:02:12] only can be called
[00:02:15] in a political war against one of President Bola
[00:02:19] of Ahmed Stinobu's most priced
[00:02:22] of asset in 2023 post, that is the FCT
[00:02:25] minister Yesum wiki, that's what it was, it
[00:02:29] was a... declaration of war openly,
[00:02:33] what was their grouss? it's about weekend
[00:02:36] so-called rainbow coalition by
[00:02:40] which is trying
[00:02:41] of to organize his own people and then for the
[00:02:44] president, and to be honest, the governors
[00:02:48] do have point, you can't deny
[00:02:51] that, because
[00:02:54] of in of a normal democracy, what you cannot do is to
[00:02:58] plant one
[00:02:59] of foot, inside the president's living room,
[00:03:03] his party,
[00:03:05] in enjoying and dispensing federal power, and
[00:03:09] plant the other foods in your own old
[00:03:12] party, faction of it, funding it and
[00:03:16] picking fights against APC governors
[00:03:20] of in their own
[00:03:21] of state, nobody will normally tororates
[00:03:25] that kind of shinanigan, but of course we have seen an
[00:03:29] indulgence. over the last two three years it is
[00:03:32] unprecedented, it is
[00:03:34] of absorbed and it is clearly
[00:03:38] unsustainable, if something like this
[00:03:42] persis as it has, you know that down the road something
[00:03:45] must give. now
[00:03:48] of who created this monster, this kind of a
[00:03:53] in in situation where you have a wick, having one leg in and one leg out, is the
[00:03:57] APC and the president, both
[00:03:59] of them, have tolerated this thing for too
[00:04:02] long, they watched, we can detron
[00:04:07] of a sitting governor Sinfubara
[00:04:09] of in River state, watch him install
[00:04:12] his own governatural candidate in both APC and
[00:04:16] PDP in the state, did
[00:04:20] nothing, or did we hear them make any public or
[00:04:23] briefing on tape just like they have done
[00:04:26] now, they did not, they kept quiet.
[00:04:30] so much so that today the governor of river state
[00:04:34] who is not getting
[00:04:35] of second time
[00:04:36] of since fubara is genuflecting for wik
[00:04:38] again ming before the man who imated
[00:04:42] in we are told in this reconciliation they
[00:04:46] made
[00:04:46] of up but
[00:04:47] of hey
[00:04:48] of this is a conquest
[00:04:50] Jesus Fubara of is a conquered political subject and we should
[00:04:54] not pretend about that yet
[00:04:57] fubara is in APC Fubara is now one
[00:05:01] of those 31 APC
[00:05:04] Jesus governors, so the real damage now is not even
[00:05:07] what wik is doing as it was, but
[00:05:11] that is f has become public, that's the real
[00:05:15] damage, it's a mess, the APC governors have
[00:05:18] openly questioned
[00:05:20] president 2027
[00:05:24] strategy, can they see it? that's what they're doing, they are
[00:05:28] questioning the president's political strategy.
[00:05:31] now when the president returns from Paris on his
[00:05:35] vacation, he will have to answer one question, he will
[00:05:39] have to at least uh confront those governors and address those
[00:05:43] governors deal with the issue and the question is is weaky
[00:05:46] an asset or inliability for the president
[00:05:50] in the 2027 election? now the Europan people
[00:05:54] say it means that is the
[00:05:58] monkey that we eventually kill itself, so
[00:06:02] it's going to be very exciting as we see how the
[00:06:05] governors and wiki and the president sort the
[00:06:09] matter out. second point, revers
[00:06:13] Soludo is this where jealousy
[00:06:16] starts? so now we move to number
[00:06:20] of states, the golden state of
[00:06:22] southeast, we are governor Charles Suludo's
[00:06:26] government as reignited another
[00:06:30] kind of drama, clearly, and it's an old
[00:06:34] battle that has happened again few weeks
[00:06:38] ago, up until last week, alleging that one
[00:06:42] of his predecessors, that is Mr. Peter OB.
[00:06:45] Peter OB is the presidential candidate the
[00:06:49] NDC and the government of Anambra is saying that
[00:06:53] to be left behind foreign loans and buried debts
[00:06:57] while claiming to have saved money. now the
[00:07:00] intent clearly is to diminish obese
[00:07:03] preeminence in southwest politics especially
[00:07:07] since 2022 or is going to making
[00:07:10] attendance as a table
[00:07:13] loyalist and supporter in the 2027 presidential
[00:07:17] election, is that what this is all about? let's be
[00:07:21] clear about what is happening here, this is not about
[00:07:25] auditing what happened uh a previous
[00:07:28] government, this is about who owns the
[00:07:32] soul, the political soul the
[00:07:35] southeast as we head to
[00:07:38] 2027 elections and beyond
[00:07:40] 2027. and the attacks from the government
[00:07:44] that suludo has, they are not sticking, but
[00:07:48] perhaps, and there are those who say this, that we
[00:07:51] understand why soludo and his government is attacking
[00:07:54] obi, are we seen a jealous
[00:07:57] suludo? several observers are saying that,
[00:08:01] observers, especially from number of state,
[00:08:05] now soludo is a professor, think
[00:08:09] even a world renown economist,
[00:08:59] his
[00:09:00] now government so starts when to reel out figures about foreign
[00:09:04] loans and stories around that against
[00:09:08] ob, people must ask is that
[00:09:11] governance? or is it something else is
[00:09:15] so trying to demarket ob and make himself more
[00:09:18] federal government friendly or is he playing a
[00:09:22] game for a vp ticket beyond
[00:09:25] 2027? now those are the kinds of
[00:09:28] questions that we have to be asked until the
[00:09:32] number state government proves to us that
[00:09:36] obey government
[00:09:38] or be and his government in the pass in
[00:09:39] the number state is actually responsible for those those those foring
[00:09:43] laws and not the federal government, which is what
[00:09:46] obes team has managed to show us that
[00:09:50] many of those loans that the Anambasy government have spoken
[00:09:54] about, we are actually incurred by the federal government for the
[00:09:58] benefit the people of anambra state, but as still stand
[00:10:02] today, the Anamba state fight against ob
[00:10:06] is one that soludo cannot win, and so it's
[00:10:10] best that somebody tells him that. cannot fight
[00:10:14] this st credibility with press
[00:10:17] statements, god help us in Nigeria, because
[00:10:21] Nigeria will prevail, and there you have.
[00:10:37] have eminent nigerian who has been a professor of
[00:10:41] communication here in the united states uh the author
[00:10:45] of 14 books and uh by the time you go to all the books
[00:10:49] and the people that he has produced uh it is very clear
[00:10:52] you know what is status and place is. national discourse, i like to work
[00:10:56] on
[00:12:09] time on Inside Sources, I'd like to ask you, um, what is
[00:12:12] your uh view about the future the country, uh,
[00:12:16] so if you look at where Nigeria is today, where do you think the the the country
[00:12:20] is headed to, because many of us believe that Nigeria how to have a great
[00:12:23] future, Nigeria, definitely has a great future
[00:12:27] because we have for the first
[00:12:30] time uh informed
[00:12:33] personalities, invested personalities,
[00:12:37] those who understand international economics and those who uh
[00:12:41] dedicated to some degree staring the ship the
[00:12:44] nation, so I believe that Nigeria has a
[00:12:48] bright future actually, and I have some
[00:12:51] reasons for that, maybe please, please, because uh, for many
[00:12:55] people that is not very obvious, yeah, a challenges, if you're
[00:12:59] looking from outside, you have boardside view, you
[00:13:03] probably perceive better, and because you move in and out the
[00:13:06] country, you see changes perhaps better than those who
[00:13:10] are the inside, so those are on the inside may not see
[00:13:14] what we see in terms of in terms the
[00:13:18] economic development the country, in terms of even the
[00:13:21] perceptions that people have outside the count. the
[00:13:25] country, which of course influences attraction of
[00:13:29] capital, attraction of personnel, attraction of,
[00:13:32] mean
[00:13:33] so many things even our kids raised here, now they can
[00:13:37] raise their heads up and say, i want to go for 30
[00:13:40] december, i'm going to nigeria, it's attractive to them
[00:13:44] because psychologically it is really
[00:13:47] uplifting to our kids born here to identify
[00:13:51] with africa, with Nigeria especially and with
[00:13:55] Afrrop, oh my god, yeah, that's another story,
[00:13:58] you know,
[00:13:59] but but in terms of our politics and governance, there's still a lot of uh way to
[00:14:02] go, don't you think, of course, of course,
[00:14:06] before we make a turn
[00:14:09] downwards, we have to get up right, and we are
[00:14:13] moving up little by little, yeah, I'm a country where
[00:14:17] everybody perceives that the country is on the way
[00:14:20] down, and on the other
[00:14:24] hand
[00:14:24] we perceive. Nigeria on the way up, so
[00:14:28] how so 1960 we had the you
[00:14:31] know independence, and the structure
[00:14:34] of of Nigeria as it was set up then was not for
[00:14:38] Nigeria to actually develop and liberate
[00:14:41] itself, you have competing forces, you have
[00:14:45] ethnic nationalities within Nigeria that are promised that were
[00:14:48] promised you know that they will control the rest, and
[00:14:52] once you have that as you're starting. point,
[00:14:56] then you cannot cohesively work together to develop the place,
[00:15:00] so by chance now we have a good leader
[00:15:04] from my perspective, okay, I'm not looking at the personality at this
[00:15:08] point, even though yes personality may may play some roles, look at all the
[00:15:12] rulers the world, all the leaders the world, tell me who is like
[00:15:15] Christ among them, none, none,
[00:15:19] no, as matter of fact, you you can measure your
[00:15:22] acceptance by by how
[00:15:26] people hate the truth, Christ preached
[00:15:30] for three years and the Roman authority said, heck,
[00:15:34] let's get rid of this guy, okay, so I'm sorry that...
[00:15:42] so
[00:15:42] so so we need people who are not necessarily
[00:15:45] saints but who have an understanding and
[00:15:48] passion to lead the people forward,
[00:15:52] difficult as it may be, they will cause you out.
[00:15:55] Nigerians don't like it when you are
[00:15:59] trying ease things for them, and when you do that
[00:16:03] you have to go down the trenches first to make them feel the paint.
[00:16:08] they have to feel pain, no pain, no gain, look, you want subsidy to
[00:16:12] continue forever, and somebody was was blunt enough,
[00:16:16] was bold enough to actually say that during his inauguration
[00:16:20] without that being on the speech, he knew what he was doing,
[00:16:23] because if if the speed have gotten out and that was
[00:16:26] written, influences will come from
[00:16:30] all over the place to prevent it from to prevent it from happening, but
[00:16:34] it was a thing that was necessary.
[00:16:38] Okay, but it has
[00:16:38] been atended by lot of suffering about the people, inflation is
[00:16:42] still is still uh,
[00:16:44] you know uh, very high, you know, uh, the the level
[00:16:48] of poverty in the country has increased, prof, lot of pain, number
[00:16:52] one, the population in the country has increased, people are coming from the sahel
[00:16:55] all over the place, so population of those in poverty will
[00:16:59] definitely rise, no doubt about that, that's number one, number
[00:17:03] two, let me liken the Nigerian situation to
[00:17:07] to to this. scenario: okay, someone is about
[00:17:10] drowning in the river, okay, okay, as small
[00:17:14] as the river may be, and then you who
[00:17:18] is comfortable about life, and you are asking
[00:17:21] this person, oh, can you rescue yourself, do some
[00:17:25] breast strokes, oh, he should be backstroke, heck, this guy is
[00:17:29] drowning, jump in it and do whatever it takes even if you're going to
[00:17:33] grab him by the troath and inconvenience him, so you say we,
[00:17:37] the suffering, there must be suffering because we have misruled ourselves for
[00:17:41] how long, for too long, and now somebody comes in to change the
[00:17:45] thing and you think is going to be all well and dandy, it's going to
[00:17:49] be easy, do you think the sleeps? i don't think so,
[00:17:53] because i think that man has a desire in his heart
[00:17:57] to better is the lot of his own people, his country, yeah,
[00:18:01] the politics is dire though, it's very dire,
[00:18:04] you know, mean and why, why i concede you know that... uh
[00:18:07] presidentubu uh is visionary, no doubt,
[00:18:11] I am worried about two things specifically, besides the question of
[00:18:15] uh poverty and corruption, which you can set aside, I'm worried about the fact that number
[00:18:19] one is government hasn't shown lot of
[00:18:23] empathy, why you are asking the country people to
[00:18:26] uh tighten their bells and everything, you guys are living large, that's number one,
[00:18:30] the number two, I haven't seen an efficient organization of his government,
[00:18:34] there's a lot of disorganization going on, I was in the... for eight years so I can
[00:18:38] understand how the government is properly set up, there's a lot of
[00:18:42] you know uh coordination uh problems in considered by you know
[00:18:45] uh some of his
[00:18:47] uh aids i mean uh Mr B who I know that uh I don't know
[00:18:51] whether you okay
[00:18:54] he was on yeah and he considered some the fact that
[00:18:58] you know he needed an enforcer so so those are the problems that I
[00:19:02] see he hasn't organized his government properly the way he did in
[00:19:06] lagos state and and then there's a bit of lack of
[00:19:10] disconnection with the with the pain the people, that's my view, your
[00:19:14] comment, good, you've identified two important areas
[00:19:17] and he is not a messiah, and if
[00:19:21] he is the messiah is doesn't possess
[00:19:25] all the abilities that you expect a mesa to
[00:19:29] possess, especially a country as
[00:19:32] divers and pulling apart as Nigeria
[00:19:36] is, so I understand that yes, there may be
[00:19:40] need for better organization, better
[00:19:43] sequencing of events and monitoring of events and setting
[00:19:47] up this committee and that committee, and we like to talk a lot nigeria, we
[00:19:51] committee ourselves to death in analysis, paralysis
[00:19:55] is our problem, so so I will consid that, but if
[00:19:59] I have to rate this man and his government from what we are
[00:20:03] seeing, is laying foundation in the mod where
[00:20:06] people were... expecting him to laid foundations on diamonds and polls
[00:20:10] and stuff, so that's why you experience what you're experiencing.
[00:20:14] nigerians in particular are very, very difficult
[00:20:18] electorate, very, very difficult people. why?
[00:20:22] 200 plus ethnic nationalities, what do you expect? and
[00:20:26] we have this expectation that you
[00:20:29] know, it should come into my bedroom and to my
[00:20:33] house and straighten everything up, all right?
[00:20:37] Now let's take it from very, very small
[00:20:41] point where the government is creating
[00:20:44] roads, we're borrowing money, but we borrow
[00:20:48] money commentary to - gdp is not even is not we're not
[00:20:52] even owing that much if you if you analyze it for those who know
[00:20:56] economics yeah so you you have a
[00:20:59] good uh coastal road and nigerians are
[00:21:02] there pulling it
[00:21:05] down they are removing the iron they are
[00:21:09] removing the the the solar they are
[00:21:12] removing look it's our house so
[00:21:16] if it's going to have to educate nigerians it will
[00:21:20] cost lot of money, I interacted with intellectuals
[00:21:24] in Nigeria, professors and all, as as well meaning
[00:21:28] as they may might have been, when I spoke with them, I
[00:21:31] could see the the the lack of understanding, the lack
[00:21:35] of governance, the expectation that oh, the drowning guy can
[00:21:39] lift himself up, or he should be you know picked up without any damage
[00:21:43] to his body, you shouldn't have any issues, that's the problem
[00:21:47] we have, we can see what this administration is doing, I'm not
[00:21:50] benefiting away from the administration, but
[00:21:54] I can tell you from what had happened
[00:21:58] in the past in terms of infrastructure, the train, I take the train
[00:22:01] from Legos
[00:22:02] from Lagos Airport to to Mobola G Johnson and to
[00:22:06] to to Ibadon straight, and I was even telling Nigerians, my
[00:22:10] friends that take the train, they said that train, now
[00:22:14] they on the train and they say, I took the train, this my kids all
[00:22:18] came to Nigeria, they came for getting. last year and they took the train,
[00:22:22] they had a nice time and so now it's back and
[00:22:26] forth, back and forth, why are we so
[00:22:28] pessimistic?
[00:22:32] let's let's move on because it's interesting because your views
[00:22:35] you know - is quite a a bread
[00:22:38] of fresh hair you know from coming from the diaspora
[00:22:42] community, lot the dominant uh perspective you
[00:22:46] know from the diaspora with you for 17.
[00:22:50] very very negative uh so so I mean so what you are
[00:22:54] saying I'm sure
[00:22:55] you know that doesn't they not we are not realistic that's
[00:22:59] why you know you you you left
[00:23:02] Nigeria and you you left your village and you think your
[00:23:06] villages New York City and then you are comparing don't
[00:23:09] forget that we were colonized okay
[00:23:13] and that colonized mind is still our our
[00:23:17] problem so and you think that it's in
[00:23:20] 1960 to now that we should be like China
[00:23:24] and all the fundamentals and all there, the ethnicities are
[00:23:28] fighting against each other, they are pulling down. I'll give you an example and then
[00:23:32] we can move to something else. I read the
[00:23:36] posting of investigative
[00:23:39] journalist who said that the particular year some
[00:23:43] Nigerians imported
[00:23:46] supposedly oil, okay
[00:23:49] to Nigeria. there and the all the papers were signed by
[00:23:53] the by by the port authority and all and they presented the papers to the
[00:23:57] government that's refined for yes refined yeah refined
[00:24:01] pms and whatever
[00:24:02] and and they got a lot of money from that for for subsidy yeah
[00:24:06] yeah the problem was that they did not import anything to nigeria
[00:24:10] they
[00:24:11] saw the the the the ship that was proportedly
[00:24:15] at legal port was actually in the netherlands somewhere well
[00:24:19] in the books and then they collect they
[00:24:23] collected money for it, now apart from that,
[00:24:26] you know, I see people write about the foreign exchange, oh, when so
[00:24:30] so was there, dollar was this to this, you did not know that we were
[00:24:34] also subsidizing dollars, people was, we were not informed in Nigeria, that's
[00:24:38] why we were just as we were subsidizing
[00:24:41] fuel importation, we were subsidizing the dollar, let let the
[00:24:45] economist explain that to you, but the issue that I
[00:24:49] have. is that so why is
[00:24:53] it that the people, the common people are the one holding the
[00:24:57] short end the stick, because so we say talk a lot about
[00:25:01] subsidy uh and it makes sense to say that hey come on we have
[00:25:05] to block this uh leakage but we don't see accountability if
[00:25:08] if it indeed was a scam where are the where are the corporates we don't see
[00:25:12] accountability the corruption is still persisting you know uh
[00:25:16] the the people in the government are living large why is it that is only the comp
[00:25:20] man that is suffering, everywhere in the world, the coverman is
[00:25:24] always owning the end the short end the stick, let's
[00:25:27] establish that premise, okay, even in this country, but let's go back to Nigeria, let
[00:25:31] me be a little kind, all right, you have
[00:25:35] a structure in place in Nigeria, the
[00:25:39] governor is not responsible to anybody,
[00:25:43] allocation comes from Abuja, the governor does whatever he likes,
[00:25:47] give you an example of my the governor of of a of
[00:25:50] your state, it was able to organize the local government
[00:25:54] chairman and chair women,
[00:25:57] to to agree to go against the the
[00:26:01] the judgment of... the supreme court regarding allocation
[00:26:05] of money to local governments and they signed the paper
[00:26:09] and read this in the papers that they gave their authority back
[00:26:13] to the governor to adjudicate, so money is coming from
[00:26:17] the federal and the supreme court has has judged that it
[00:26:21] should go directly to local governments and the local government should receive them
[00:26:25] say no we love our governor so much let's give it to the governor we are
[00:26:28] expect we are expecting perfection in the system that is
[00:26:32] so corrupt and we are not able to address
[00:26:36] them, we have intellectuals who analyze issues
[00:26:39] and all, but there is no action. do you know how long we've been talking about state
[00:26:43] police, we've been talking about
[00:26:45] economic,
[00:26:49] what do we call it? restructuring, restructuring, both economic and
[00:26:52] political, we we paid people for conferences, we produce
[00:26:56] papers that if you if you publish the books they will
[00:27:00] fill this room here and never get. "now you are holding this
[00:27:03] current administration, oh, the government is corrupt,
[00:27:07] we are all corrupt, we are corrupt, we don't want changes,
[00:27:11] if if a group of people in Nigeria say to you that they are born to
[00:27:15] rule, what do you expect? so the others are now going to put
[00:27:19] up a front to resist them, so how how you going to govern? and
[00:27:23] then you have another group that came third in the in the
[00:27:26] last election, they never believe that they lost the election, so the third
[00:27:30] person is still claiming that he was..." election and is people are
[00:27:34] believing that and we in the Eurouba area
[00:27:38] also allow so many others to come
[00:27:42] into our sphere which is okay because we're practicing
[00:27:45] federalism but
[00:27:46] we do not know who is who who is coming we are
[00:27:50] cosmopolitan people to the point of
[00:27:53] stupidity i'm very sorry your grandfather our great
[00:27:57] great grandparents fought for the land that we occupy and then
[00:28:00] we just let it go because say we are cosmopolitan, we are this and that,
[00:28:04] no, that is not evolution, that is
[00:28:07] regression, if look, look, let's learn
[00:28:11] from what this country is doing, america
[00:28:15] is everywhere in the world, yeah, for what
[00:28:18] reason, economic emancipation
[00:28:21] of our own people, they don't mind to and to
[00:28:25] keep control, to keep control, okay, so
[00:28:28] that's the nation together acting as one, in
[00:28:32] Nigeria, if this group is going this way, that group is going the other
[00:28:36] way, how are you going to, so you are lucky even
[00:28:40] if you get anything done in Nigeria, how did I get to
[00:28:44] this country sir? I was with NET, I thought, I told
[00:28:48] you I thought the Uni lag, and I have lot of
[00:28:51] friends, had lot of friends, still have them
[00:28:54] even the the the head of channels, the on was
[00:28:58] once, yeah, our chairman, yeah, it was once a
[00:29:02] student of... mine as young as i was then because when he came
[00:29:05] in uh contemporaries age that's right
[00:29:09] that's right
[00:29:10] so what what what
[00:29:14] what what do you think we should be doing at this point don't let us
[00:29:18] even talk too much about
[00:29:19] it what should we be doing when i was at net
[00:29:23] with all the opportunities to work elsewhere i
[00:29:27] joined net with the masters in public relations i was
[00:29:30] doing the i was writing a and is the Nigerian exchange,
[00:29:34] no, external telecommunications before we joined with
[00:29:38] Nipos to
[00:29:39] make nitel, okay, so a good job as as it were
[00:29:43] then, yeah, that was very, yes, and you will think, oh,
[00:29:47] you know, he got made, he has master's degree and is in the corporate affairs of
[00:29:51] net, it wasn't six months before
[00:29:54] people started coming in from the north, and they were
[00:29:58] putting them above those of us who had college degree.
[00:30:03] I don't want to mention, I still remember their names, I have them in my memory that I'm here to
[00:30:07] be to publish because I left Nigeria based because of that because
[00:30:11] talking of this, you're the early 80s, yes, I, I came to this country in
[00:30:14] 1985, so you graduated in
[00:30:17] 1980 in Nigeria, 1982, Master's
[00:30:21] degree University of Lagus, where you also taught for some time, that's
[00:30:25] right, before you went to net, that's right, okay, and you're telling us the reason why you
[00:30:29] left the country, that's right, please go ahead, so so... "i was
[00:30:33] i was doing all the work
[00:30:36] for the corporate affairs department, the pr section of
[00:30:40] it, published the the the newspaper,
[00:30:44] okay, okay, maccom news or something we used to call
[00:30:47] it, and wrote speeches for all the
[00:30:51] officials when they went out and media work and
[00:30:54] everything like that, i was practice in my craft, it was
[00:30:58] fantastic and then..."