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[00:01:51] of the sad stories coming from Niger said where we saw
[00:01:55] of 37 people died in
[00:01:57] of custody and so today the Nigeria security and civil defense
[00:02:01] core paraded, it suspended nine said
[00:02:05] and commandant vier
[00:02:06] suberu and other officers linked to the deaths of 37
[00:02:09] people in the cause of custody at his national
[00:02:13] headquarters in soka abuja as authorities intensify
[00:02:16] of investigations into one
[00:02:18] of the country's most serious recent cases of deaths in
[00:02:21] security custody. the offices were on duty
[00:02:25] or connected with the arrest, investigation and
[00:02:29] detention, the victims who were amongst 67 people reportedly
[00:02:33] detained flowing anti-illegal mining
[00:02:36] operations around the wushishi and lukuto areas
[00:02:40] of niger state on the 15th and 16th of September
[00:02:43] 37 were subsequently found dead. the federal government
[00:02:47] suspended the state
[00:02:48] of commandant and 20 other NSCDC personnel while
[00:02:53] of interior minister or jojou as constituted a
[00:02:57] 10 member independent committee with two weeks to
[00:03:00] establish the circumstances
[00:03:02] of the arrest and detention and determine the cause
[00:03:05] of the deaths and identify any
[00:03:07] in responsibility, complicity, negligence or
[00:03:11] misconduct. presidentubu has equally weted in and has
[00:03:14] ordered a comprehensive and transparent investigation,
[00:03:18] insisting that suspected criminal activity does not remove
[00:03:22] detened's right to life
[00:03:24] of and humane treatment. the precise cause
[00:03:27] of the death remains under investigation. mean
[00:03:30] of allegations from survivors and families about overcrowding and
[00:03:34] conditions in the detention
[00:03:38] a facility. 37 people went into government
[00:03:42] custody alive today. the central question remains,
[00:03:45] how did
[00:03:47] of of they die earlier? we saw the NSCDC national headquarters
[00:03:50] me here in Abuja and the suspended 90 state commander suber
[00:03:54] of and vier and other officers linked to the incident
[00:03:57] of paraded before journal is scrutiny. depins over the deaths
[00:04:01] of the 37 people detained following operations against suspected
[00:04:05] illegal mining in ninger
[00:04:07] me state. 20 other NSCDC personnel have been suspended,
[00:04:11] a 10 member independent federal investigating committee has been
[00:04:15] of giving two weeks to establish
[00:04:17] of what happened
[00:04:17] and the national human rights commission has also uh coming to the
[00:04:21] conversation and has
[00:04:22] of become of of a preliminary investigation where calls grow for
[00:04:26] of independent autopsies and accountability for any... found
[00:04:30] culpable, but there are critical questions in there, beyond the
[00:04:34] officers on duty, what were the conditions inside the detention
[00:04:38] facility? what did the authorities know and when? what road
[00:04:42] did the ninger
[00:04:42] of state crack down on illegal mining or
[00:04:46] of uh operation play
[00:04:47] of and of could these deaths have been prevented? this was
[00:04:51] moment where they were paraded and let
[00:04:53] me allow you to listen to the
[00:04:55] me reasons for the parade,
[00:04:58] in a swift and
[00:04:59] of decisive. operation conducted in conjunction with the
[00:05:03] comandant general special intelligence court, all officers and
[00:05:07] men
[00:05:07] of the major state command links to these
[00:05:10] of gross misconduct as scens of on the 17th September
[00:05:14] 2026 been taken into protective
[00:05:17] custody at the national headquarters here in Abuja where
[00:05:21] they are undergoing rigorous interrogation and
[00:05:24] administrative disciplinary action so as to make them
[00:05:28] available for the presidential independent investigation
[00:05:32] committee and other investigation panels for further
[00:05:35] investigation and possible
[00:05:38] persecution.
[00:05:41] well let's some more insights uh the chief security officer
[00:05:45] and executive governor of ninja state
[00:05:48] honorable uh he comes himself former
[00:05:51] governor muhammad governor of ninger state is
[00:05:55] live for us on the program from the capital of
[00:06:15] from the uh Niger state government point
[00:06:18] of view, can you summarize to us what really
[00:06:21] happened? uh, honestly
[00:06:25] speaking, um, the United States government or its
[00:06:29] agencies were not aware of any
[00:06:31] arrest and we were not informed about any
[00:06:34] arrests at the illegal mining side, although the
[00:06:38] site that is in question is a housing estate called the
[00:06:42] mi wushishi housing estate is passed to the state
[00:06:45] university at university and that place
[00:06:49] has witnessed lot of artisanal minors and
[00:06:53] illegal miners all working there and on that
[00:06:57] faithful day unfortunately uh the NSDC
[00:07:01] Niger state chapter made arrest and took them to
[00:07:04] custody and they put them in their custody and that
[00:07:08] resulted to uh the death these people so woke up that
[00:07:11] morning. to the news that
[00:07:14] 37 of those that were arrested died and
[00:07:18] again from the revelations withganad lot
[00:07:22] of people attributed it to the uh
[00:07:25] the suffocation that there were so many in one cell because there
[00:07:29] were actually three double three cells where the people in the first cell
[00:07:33] and second cell didn't have any issue in this other cell they
[00:07:37] were already inmates in that cell before they brought this new other people to add to
[00:07:41] them and that resulted to their death. now ,
[00:07:45] two questions are very clear, suffocation can be one of it, which is
[00:07:48] mostly the the the direction. however,
[00:07:52] because it's an illegal mining site and mining is
[00:07:56] also attributed to lot of toxins and also poisoning, and we are not
[00:08:00] ruling out any these reasons.
[00:08:04] however, we want the authority to the people to be very patient with the
[00:08:08] authority, forensic experts are
[00:08:10] ground, and are doing what they need to do
[00:08:14] to give us analysis of what they found, so for now this
[00:08:18] is what we know about that uh, since you went on the ground
[00:08:22] yourself to inspect the cell, can you describe to us
[00:08:25] governor what you saw, what do you make of that holding
[00:08:29] facility uh that described as
[00:08:32] detention, mean from as a
[00:08:36] former member the house and and now a
[00:08:39] governor, how would you describe the situation? in
[00:08:43] the cell, honestly speaking, the cell is not
[00:08:47] an old facility, in fact it's just their new office,
[00:08:51] they just moved into that office, not quite long, and the facility
[00:08:54] is practically very new. now the
[00:08:58] issue the state the cell, when we got
[00:09:02] there, i saw lot of dead copses on the floor and
[00:09:05] outside, and some had blood stains in their nose, in
[00:09:09] their mouth, and some had lot of b. and kind of
[00:09:13] bruises on their body and some even have some cuts on their
[00:09:16] body you know and that uh made me to ask them to take
[00:09:20] the state much worry because they were already lying on the floor and
[00:09:24] those that were still breathing were now rushed to the hospital where they were
[00:09:28] attended to all them have survived uh some are still in
[00:09:32] hospital though uh and uh that is what we know about it but the
[00:09:36] cell is not an old cell but the size the cell to
[00:09:40] take that amount of people would need uh probably
[00:09:43] statistics or uh science
[00:09:45] you know to prove whether it is uh it has capacity take 100 people
[00:09:49] or 50 people or even 30
[00:10:03] and there's something very disturbing governor
[00:10:06] about those who survive and they were recounting their ordeal
[00:10:10] uh one the survive. was uh alleged
[00:10:14] that an unidentified substance was spread
[00:10:18] before detinies began collapsing. what evidence does
[00:10:22] your government presently have about what happened inside? that
[00:10:25] cell
[00:10:27] so the autopsy will prove that and also the forensic will prove
[00:10:30] that,
[00:10:31] you know, and that is what I said at the beginning that we cannot rule out
[00:10:35] poisoning, we cannot rule out exposure to
[00:10:39] dangerous and hazardous chemicals, everything can be
[00:10:42] possible, but from what we got from the recount of some the survivors
[00:10:46] is that kind of spray was spread there and people started
[00:10:50] fenting and they were asking for help gasping for air
[00:10:53] and uh nobody attended. to them, some them said they had to take their
[00:10:57] urine to survive because they were testy, some had to put their nose and
[00:11:01] mouths through the window uh to get ventilation, all these
[00:11:04] are are are position
[00:11:08] of or I mean report from those people who survived and uh
[00:11:12] the security agencies like the DSS, the
[00:11:15] police, the other agencies are also investigating that
[00:11:19] to assassin the truth, some that were in the cell didn't even know
[00:11:22] anything, cannot remember anything because "they were probably
[00:11:26] fainted or they
[00:11:28] had you know
[00:11:29] uh loss of memory at that point
[00:11:31] in time, so uh these are some the issues and some the people in the cell who are
[00:11:35] still in the mortuari were not actually miners, they were detained
[00:11:38] there prior to the uh arrest
[00:11:42] these uh uh miners that were added to them and they also
[00:11:45] died, so some them like you said and
[00:11:49] not even related to uh their offenses and not even
[00:11:53] related to - illegal
[00:11:56] mining uh, but
[00:11:59] governor, any way, do
[00:12:03] you for moment step away and look and say,
[00:12:06] okay, maybe we share any these responsibility,
[00:12:10] or maybe you these deaths could have been
[00:12:12] avoided, yes
[00:12:15] definitely, you know, um,
[00:12:19] I'm just a chief security officer the state by mouth, the
[00:12:22] NSDC don't report to me, "the police don't report to
[00:12:26] me uh, the military don't report to me, they report to the
[00:12:29] center, so um, we don't have much
[00:12:33] control about uh feral government facilities, especially
[00:12:37] detention centers and uh
[00:12:39] and they
[00:12:39] are also police stations and even uh civil defense stations
[00:12:43] uh, but when we have issues or complaints by civil society
[00:12:47] organizations, we step in and we try to
[00:12:51] intervene, but at most most of times nobody even
[00:12:55] knows who is arrested unless there are complaints that are brought in before ministry
[00:12:59] of justice or ministry of woman affairs on unlawful detention or
[00:13:02] otherwise or the court of laws give
[00:13:05] orders, but in this sense
[00:13:09] i mean give us the true picture of
[00:13:12] things uh we imagine that the United State government has
[00:13:16] an illegal mining task force is that
[00:13:19] right? no we have ministry of
[00:13:23] uh resources, we don't have illegal mining tax
[00:13:27] force, they are civil servants, all they do, once they are
[00:13:31] certain there is an illegal mining a place, they report to
[00:13:34] NSDC who has the perview to regulate mining
[00:13:38] and also make arrests at mining sites, so
[00:13:42] you're not any joint operation or effort by the security
[00:13:46] agencies, which we understand includes the NSCDC, the
[00:13:50] police, the DSL, state officials and some local government
[00:13:53] officials, you don't you're not aware that the federal government runs
[00:13:57] that kind of collaboration? no, it doesn't
[00:14:01] happen, it doesn't happen. f government does
[00:14:04] not, fer ministry of minds does
[00:14:08] not have any tax force that is jointly uh working together with
[00:14:12] any subnational, any subnational does not work with them, they
[00:14:15] even the licenses are not issued uh with the consent
[00:14:19] the uh subnationals, they are done with the consent the host
[00:14:23] communities, the subnationals just in between, so when you give
[00:14:27] licenses, even if they are legal licenses to a minor, i don't
[00:14:31] know, he goes to the host communities, the traditional institution or
[00:14:34] the family who owns the land will give consent for money to take place,
[00:14:38] however, when we see those kind of activities, we send the
[00:14:42] ministry to go and confirm, verify documentation, and
[00:14:46] if it is well, we will now ask them to have responsible mining,
[00:14:50] and when i say responsible mining is to be able to talk to the companies who are
[00:14:54] mining to say: "these people need drinking water, you know you're going to pollute
[00:14:58] their water, we need to see how you are going to build uh schools for
[00:15:02] them, provide social responsibilities that have to
[00:15:05] do with elevating the
[00:15:09] the the the community, and at the end the day you will have to write
[00:15:13] an agreement that you're going to reclaim back the land that you have dog
[00:15:17] so that we don't have f pitfalls and also uh sink
[00:15:21] holes, so you're saying that mining in..."
[00:15:25] just state on in your own territory as a
[00:15:27] governor is beyond your control, you
[00:15:31] don't have control, you don't have the powers and the
[00:15:35] consent the state government is not even. say that any
[00:15:39] economic mining activities a state, is that what you're
[00:15:42] saying? the constitution is very clear, it does not
[00:15:45] involve the state government, it is exclusively
[00:15:48] an executive issue, the executive
[00:15:52] arm of government will issue licenses to who they wish to
[00:15:56] give to, however, before mining is
[00:15:59] started, communities, the host communities are allowed to give
[00:16:03] consent, and this when these consents are given, you may not even know because
[00:16:07] post committee may be very far away and it could be a traditional institution or
[00:16:11] family or uh
[00:16:13] business. but what happened to your
[00:16:17] previous crackdown on illegal mining? because now when you say
[00:16:21] that uh you don't have control but you as a
[00:16:25] governor now can stop them from uh
[00:16:29] it's it's kind of very interesting scenario
[00:16:32] that we don't have control but when
[00:16:36] you for example this this particular place in question, it's in
[00:16:40] housing estate, mi us housing estate, and when the
[00:16:44] citizens and occupants of that estate came out in numbers to
[00:16:47] complain about the activities the illegal miners, some them even
[00:16:51] bring down their fences and their houses, some them even their soccerways are
[00:16:55] compromised and their security is being compromised, we have no
[00:16:59] option than to talk to the nsdc and the security
[00:17:02] agency to say you need to interven, you know, and that's only thing
[00:17:06] we can do. but sometimes we go as far as reaching out to the minister of mineral
[00:17:10] resources say minister of mineral resources this licenses
[00:17:13] situation is bringing in security uh to our people you need to
[00:17:17] also look at them and he sends uh immediately he responses the
[00:17:21] ministry will respond through their mine officers here to go and look at
[00:17:25] it but I can tell you even this morning there was an upr
[00:17:29] between illegal miners at the same site and the security
[00:17:33] agencies because they still insist they want to continue mining
[00:17:36] there but In 2023 you suspended
[00:17:39] mining activities, at the time you said
[00:17:42] 880 registered mining companies and
[00:17:46] cooperatives exist in the stead, only
[00:17:48] 261 had reported
[00:17:52] for profiling uh, two years later, why is
[00:17:56] illegal mining still sufficiently wide spread to
[00:17:59] require mass arrest? okay, you
[00:18:03] see the difference between legal mining is that you have data.
[00:18:07] illegal mining, there's no data, there's no database, so these people
[00:18:11] who are licensed will come forward for profiling,
[00:18:15] because we want to know who is mining a united state, and that
[00:18:18] is because we need to maintain the security of our land,
[00:18:22] however, the people we are talking about are not just artisanal miners,
[00:18:26] but the artisan and operating in illegal spaces, these
[00:18:30] spaces are not allowed for them to do, probably
[00:18:33] somebody youter state is endowed, we have alluvian gold every...
[00:18:37] when it rains heavily you can pick uh gold on the street that
[00:18:41] is given so these people will find a place where you have
[00:18:45] huge quantity of this alloivian deposit and they would try
[00:18:49] to start mining and this is why they are illegal
[00:18:53] because they are not registered by law they are not registered with the association they
[00:18:57] don't even have a directory there's no database to ascertain who who
[00:19:01] and who and let me reiterate something to you because
[00:19:04] these people have died in custody of civil
[00:19:08] defense, that is why the upr is high, every day
[00:19:12] miners are buried illegally, illegal miners are buried in
[00:19:16] different minds across this country and in niger state, and every day we have
[00:19:20] report of people who die in sink holes because they have gone to
[00:19:23] mind illegally and
[00:19:25] unprofessionally. let ask you, have you
[00:19:29] identified the owner of this site in question?
[00:19:33] it is a housing estate, it's not a site, it's not a legal mining site,
[00:19:37] there is no body that has license to mine on that land, it
[00:19:40] is housing estate, mi wushishi housing
[00:19:44] estate, let tell you something, for example, gwarimpa housing
[00:19:48] estate, will anybody have mining license in
[00:19:51] gwarimpa or first
[00:19:53] that? so the question
[00:19:57] is that what what we understand is that some these
[00:20:00] boys that are being used for illegal mining
[00:20:04] or even the legal mining uh the... the
[00:20:08] licenses are owned by someone, even in the legal one, there is someone
[00:20:12] who is uh, who owns who is
[00:20:15] direct, who controls, who is benefiting from the
[00:20:19] from the activities, have you been able to investigate
[00:20:23] who controls or who is benefiting from that one which you call
[00:20:27] illegal in the in that house, let me somebody has
[00:20:31] license, cadestral unit and he's operating
[00:20:34] there, he has a right to employ artisanal mind. has to work for
[00:20:38] him, that is direct labor, if he doesn't have machinery to do
[00:20:42] that, that is within his parview, because that land has been seated
[00:20:46] to him by law, he has license to operate mining activities on that.
[00:20:50] line, however, if a line is there and nobody
[00:20:53] has line sense and you go there, you are already encroaching
[00:20:57] on private property or government reserve, and if you do that is
[00:21:01] illegal, whether you're using machinery or whether you're using going artisanal
[00:21:05] way, it's illegal, so legality in mining starts to do with
[00:21:09] first line sensing, who owns the line
[00:21:13] sense, who owns the land, the illegality is
[00:21:16] that who - who gave permission and why
[00:21:20] did you go without permission? give us an
[00:21:24] idea, governor, because your state um
[00:21:27] benefit from uh, and i say when i say
[00:21:31] your state benefit meaning that
[00:21:33] there are a lot of activities of minor activities happening in
[00:21:37] your state, however the money literally goes above
[00:21:41] your head as a governor and as a formal law maker,
[00:21:45] what do you think is right? we fought a lot of
[00:21:48] battle uh... when the petroleum industry act before
[00:21:52] it came into refer and before it was passed to law and lot of
[00:21:56] experience and lot of knowledge taken out of what
[00:21:59] state uh the federating unit and even the host
[00:22:03] communities have experienced a lot go to many states in the
[00:22:07] north central and in the northwestern state are
[00:22:10] experiencing insecurity because these
[00:22:14] mining activities from your experience what are your worries
[00:22:18] about the growing mining? activities which sometimes
[00:22:21] grow uncontrolled and we understand that some the high and the
[00:22:25] mighty are the ones behind some these
[00:22:27] activities, so my only my major concern
[00:22:31] here is the safety first, safety, the
[00:22:35] mining practices here are primitive and there's no
[00:22:38] safety and there's no uh uh protection
[00:22:42] and secondly there is no responsible mining regime to
[00:22:46] understand the quantum or the quantity of minds that are taking. from
[00:22:50] our country or from our land, thirdly,
[00:22:53] yes, federal government pulls every resources into the
[00:22:57] fac and share to the entire subnationals and the federal
[00:23:00] government, and part of it is part of mineral
[00:23:03] resources, but we don't, we cannot assertain the
[00:23:07] amount of money or the quantum of gold or the quaries they
[00:23:11] make, because when you say mining, people uh leave it to only gold, even
[00:23:14] quarry of stones from construction companies that they use in in
[00:23:18] building road is is uh it's mining, even uh uh
[00:23:22] borrow piece they create is mining, so mining is very, very vast,
[00:23:26] but what we are talking about, the one that has become a minus, there a lot of children have
[00:23:30] fallen out of school,
[00:23:32] that they don't go to school, you can see the age range of those people that
[00:23:35] died between 14 and 20, and that speaks a
[00:23:39] volume to say it is,
[00:23:41] it is negative development to our people, because uh
[00:23:45] the parents will support it, they feel you you make more money every
[00:23:49] day ' with an ounce of gold you know you
[00:23:52] can end more money and people who are the middleman who are mopping
[00:23:55] this thing are out there and this thing is
[00:23:59] uh it's a big company
[00:24:00] now it's a big business that gold business and gold refining and
[00:24:04] gold mining in Nigeria has become a very very big
[00:24:08] distance so the most important thing the best thing we can do from the
[00:24:12] point of law is to go to the constitution and look at the
[00:24:16] law that established the mining act and to make it concurrently with
[00:24:20] here the federal government and state government will work
[00:24:23] together concurrently in managing this things and this will
[00:24:27] give you know regime of responsible mining and people can take
[00:24:30] responsibility with the state police coming on board you will not have
[00:24:34] issue where a governor or any federal agency would
[00:24:38] come and make arrest without the governor knowing and this will
[00:24:42] bring responsibility to what we are talking about so it's not a blame
[00:24:46] game today we are just talking about realities we know that gold.
[00:24:50] mining in Niger state has become habitual, the
[00:24:53] United report on Shuroro local government and local government
[00:24:57] says by 2027, there will not be a single male
[00:25:01] child in grade eight, that
[00:25:04] is js one, grade seven, you know, because
[00:25:08] all them are into animal mining and all them have never classrooms and
[00:25:12] they are not in schools and this is a problem for us, yeah,
[00:25:16] that that brings me to the question exactly,
[00:25:19] the one and the disturbing pictures of minors on
[00:25:23] these sites, as a governor, what are you doing about
[00:25:27] it? so
[00:25:31] so you see in between the devil and the and the red
[00:25:35] sea, because as a governor, yes it's in my
[00:25:38] state, as a governor I cannot just go and order uh
[00:25:42] police or military to start shooting people or arresting people as a
[00:25:46] governor, I can only make advocacy, but these people or...
[00:25:50] because they've tested the mining money, they cannot leave
[00:25:54] that side, we need decisive action,
[00:25:56] you know, we need an executive order from the presidency or from the
[00:26:00] ministry of mineral resources to ban mining in certain locations
[00:26:04] where we have seen their problematic, once that is done, it can be
[00:26:08] enforced, but but I mean, because
[00:26:11] some the minors are saying that they being
[00:26:15] shot out shot at frequently by some these
[00:26:19] authorities, and I'm I'm it to be concerning if
[00:26:23] you say you are not aware that this kind of scenario plays out in the
[00:26:26] state uh, but it I say, I'm not
[00:26:30] aware say that, I'm saying. that i can, i don't have
[00:26:34] control over what they do, no, but but these are
[00:26:38] children uh on protected under the child rights
[00:26:42] act, they have to be in school, the they've got to be off the
[00:26:45] street, but if they are being uh allowed
[00:26:49] to go into this mining side, this minor, the law is very
[00:26:52] exp is very explicit about what minors
[00:26:56] should do and should not a father who takes his child out of school
[00:27:00] and takes him to the mining side, uh who do you
[00:27:04] blame or mother who backs a child at the back and goes
[00:27:08] to a mining side and sh let tell you the amount of energy
[00:27:12] they dissipate in this mining a business if
[00:27:16] they had put half of it in farming they will do better
[00:27:20] local government cost local government used to be one the biggest local government that
[00:27:24] is agrarian but they've abandoned farming for
[00:27:28] mining it's a mess it's a miness you
[00:27:31] know and there must be deliberate, but governor, are you able to,
[00:27:35] the law has criminalized it, except that we need to
[00:27:39] enforce it, and I know that there
[00:27:42] are sometimes we've seen government uh, in some other
[00:27:45] climbs, if you don't send your child to
[00:27:48] school, it's a criminal, you could go to jail, I mean,
[00:27:52] are you going to go the extra man, because this particular
[00:27:56] incident that happened with this 37 people dead is
[00:28:00] also supposed to teach us some lesson ' perhaps if your government is going
[00:28:03] to take it a bit more seriously to say, if you don't have your
[00:28:07] child in school, you are going to be in trouble. are you able to make that commitment,
[00:28:11] governor? yeah, we are going to look at that, because it's a
[00:28:15] very, very, very tall order, it's a very tall order. niger state is
[00:28:18] 10% the total size of Nigeria, everywhere in Niger
[00:28:22] state is mineral resources. this mining and
[00:28:26] poaching and logging, it's a
[00:28:30] serious business. United State has the... largest
[00:28:33] concentration of forests and trees in in in west africa and
[00:28:37] people are there doing logging so mining and also is not just
[00:28:41] about digging the ground, even cutting trees,
[00:28:44] you know, even making charcoal, even people
[00:28:48] killing animals and selling their horns and hooves and everything,
[00:28:52] all these things are happening, because governor, these are some the things
[00:28:55] that crosses insecurity in your state, you're
[00:28:59] right, you're right, it it's a industry, you
[00:29:03] have expatrates from other country in our
[00:29:07] domain operating, funding these activities, and
[00:29:11] you are limited because you are constrained, the military know
[00:29:15] about it, the DSS knows about it, the police know about it, they are
[00:29:18] constrained, because these expatries have line
[00:29:22] senses, they have line senses and this
[00:29:26] falls of war is taken through our ports and shipt out of this
[00:29:29] country, so it's not about the governor, the governor... is limited to
[00:29:33] only probably his cabinet, the governor is just a chief security officer
[00:29:37] of his state by mouth, it's rhetorical, there is no power, he
[00:29:41] can't give any order, but governor, does your
[00:29:45] state have investment in mining in your
[00:29:47] state? very well, the state government has
[00:29:51] investment company in mining and we have been looking forward uh
[00:29:54] looking looking for people to invest in mining, we've gone and travel out
[00:29:58] this world and we are inviting people to come so that they can set up
[00:30:02] industries that will do this mining properly
[00:30:06] and that is why was emphasizing on the responsible mining regime
[00:30:09] where you have companies that will come and do the proper thing, give
[00:30:13] gears, protective gears to people, employ the right set of people, take
[00:30:17] the data the people and also be able to promote people to go
[00:30:21] to school, even if you are mining you be able to go to school and they promote you,
[00:30:25] if you have a child and you
[00:30:26] are a minor, your children will go to school, so many other things, accommodations
[00:30:30] will be provided, portable drinking. will be given, medical assistance will be
[00:30:34] given, scholarships will be given, like in oil, like oil
[00:30:38] mining, like the way the oil companies are doing in Niger delta, this is what we are
[00:30:42] looking for, are you able to make any money, are you making any money from mining
[00:30:46] yet based on investment your said is having
[00:30:49] in, not serious money,
[00:30:53] no serious money yet, we are only putting the infrastructures right now,
[00:30:56] infrastructure, let tell you the investment in