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[00:00:19] of
[00:00:21] of of
[00:00:25] of
[00:00:42] of suspend NYSC long distance deployments
[00:00:46] for now, life loss cannot be
[00:00:52] of restored, no certificate, no slogan of national
[00:00:55] integration, no administrative convenience can bring
[00:00:58] back a single
[00:01:01] of soul, that is why every serious society
[00:01:04] guards
[00:01:05] of lives jealously, that is how we defend our
[00:01:08] humanity by going over and above what is
[00:01:12] routine to protect what
[00:01:14] of is of irreplaceable. this is the lens with
[00:01:18] of which we must view the kidnapping of youth copers deployed
[00:01:22] from our state recently, and that has been happening for quite a
[00:01:25] while, they abducted somewhere in nemostate while in
[00:01:29] transit. their primary place of assignment,
[00:01:32] young Nigerians in their early 20s, carrying color up
[00:01:36] letters, carrying their parents hope and their own
[00:01:39] aspirations, but rudely taken by
[00:01:43] government on the same road we
[00:01:45] of mandated them to travel, because Nigeria
[00:01:49] of summoned them. This is not new, and that is why it
[00:01:52] is becoming even more of a worry,
[00:01:56] of daming one. We have seen it before in 2020.
[00:02:00] eight aquibon graduates on their way to shokoto for
[00:02:04] orientation were kidnapped in zanfara and spent weeks in
[00:02:08] captivity. in 2022, coppers from ananbra were
[00:02:11] attacked in the
[00:02:12] of northwest corridor. in 2021, coppers from
[00:02:16] Undo, heading to the north were
[00:02:18] of abducted and striked on the highway. the
[00:02:22] of pattern is clear, the danger is documented and the fear is
[00:02:25] real, there is apprehension in every home where a copper
[00:02:29] leaves. ending to motor park in Nigeria to answer
[00:02:33] the call
[00:02:33] of the federal government. The truth is that in today's Nigeria
[00:02:37] there is sterol on every long distance road,
[00:02:41] all the fear of it, you cannot compare what
[00:02:45] of you of cannot protect. Road travel in Nigeria
[00:02:49] today is a gamble with
[00:02:51] of death. For the most part,
[00:02:53] the federal government mandate a young citizen to travel 800
[00:02:57] kilometers across three geopolitical zones. by
[00:03:00] roll to
[00:03:02] of fulfill compulsory deployment, then the
[00:03:05] federal government must assume the sacred
[00:03:09] of moral a duty to guarantee that citizen safety. is
[00:03:13] as simple as that. if the federal
[00:03:16] government cannot guarantee that security, then the federal government
[00:03:19] has lost the moral right to compel the
[00:03:23] journey to continue to force long
[00:03:27] distance deployments under present institute. authority
[00:03:30] is inimical to the santity of human
[00:03:34] life, and that is why we say today that the federal government
[00:03:38] should
[00:03:39] of suspend long distance NYSC deployment at
[00:03:43] least for now.
[00:03:45] now having said that, let us also comment the
[00:03:48] of recent board move by the government to
[00:03:51] of reform the entire NYC. in June earlier this
[00:03:54] year, the federal executive council approved the
[00:03:57] of biggest overhold
[00:03:58] of the scheme system. a technology
[00:04:02] of driven call up,
[00:04:04] of a six week orientation, skill based posting align to
[00:04:07] graduate field of experience, a
[00:04:10] a of civilian director general, and most importantly risk
[00:04:14] sensitive deployment. this is visionary and long
[00:04:18] over deal, and we comment the government for doing this, it shows that the
[00:04:22] government is actually listening, but
[00:04:25] a reform that talks about risk sensitive deployment
[00:04:29] without fixing the most dangerous path, that is the long
[00:04:33] unprotected road travel to get to that deployment is
[00:04:37] of incomplete.
[00:04:38] it protects the destination but ignores the
[00:04:41] journey, and it is on the journey that our children are
[00:04:45] being kidnapped. if the reform is truly to be
[00:04:49] investment in our greatest asset, the young people,
[00:04:53] as minister ay said, then
[00:04:57] the security of travel must be, at the heart of
[00:05:01] it, not a foot not. so to
[00:05:04] conclude, what must be done? number one, suspend
[00:05:08] all long distance
[00:05:09] of deployments for now, meanwile in... meant the
[00:05:13] risk sensiting deployment principle already approved by
[00:05:16] f. for the next two service years deploy copers
[00:05:20] within their geopolitical zones so that we
[00:05:24] can save lives. proximity is
[00:05:27] security. number two, make same travelle a
[00:05:31] call pillar the reform the
[00:05:33] HMYC. act amendment now before the attorney
[00:05:37] general the federation must include a statutory obligation
[00:05:41] for save transport. station, no more
[00:05:44] loan, unprotected road journeys, there should be
[00:05:48] centralized security escorted convoys or
[00:05:52] fully tracked charter busis and where
[00:05:55] distances are extreme subsidized air or
[00:05:59] rail passage should be mandatory. this
[00:06:03] is the missing piece the welfare package for coppers.
[00:06:07] number three, there should be rescue
[00:06:10] first and then reform. "the first test the new reform
[00:06:14] spirit is to bring those or your couples home
[00:06:17] alive. the NYC was created to build
[00:06:21] national unity. unity cannot be built on the
[00:06:25] coughings of our young people. if you cannot protect them on
[00:06:29] the road, let us not deploy them far. let them
[00:06:33] serve their own alive, save
[00:06:37] and productive, because life lost
[00:06:40] cannot be restored.
[00:06:52] back to inside sources uh, today I'm leading the show with a
[00:06:55] conversation with the presidential candidate the social
[00:06:58] democratic party is been here before uh somebody that has
[00:07:02] been going out meeting the real people in my view, I
[00:07:06] wanted to have a conversation with him in terms the kind of
[00:07:10] experiences that is having, what are the people? saying regarding the
[00:07:13] 2027 presidential election and few other things
[00:07:16] so i like to welcome back to inside sources prince
[00:07:19] ad praise good to see
[00:07:23] you again good to see you here and may god bless nigeria yes
[00:07:27] amen so so uh let's start from the kind of
[00:07:30] engagement that i observed that you've been having i
[00:07:33] remember that when the president went
[00:07:36] to uh i think it was uh jos
[00:07:40] last yes yes yeah uh and he stopped at the
[00:07:44] airport, you went further to meet the
[00:07:47] people, other places, exactly, now, but I've also
[00:07:51] noticed that you are, you have also been moving around, you
[00:07:54] know, uh, trying to have engagement with
[00:07:58] the real people, but I wanted to ask you
[00:08:00] that, in your view, do you
[00:08:04] think those people are really ready to come
[00:08:07] out uh, to vote, compared to
[00:08:11] what we normally have that you have quite a few people who
[00:08:14] are susceptible to to to
[00:08:17] being uh,
[00:08:19] you know, quote and quote, vote b,
[00:08:22] you know, 5,00 n, you, is your
[00:08:26] engagement, does it include the the
[00:08:30] people in the middle class, or I like to tell us what is different
[00:08:33] in the way that you are doing politics in your whole articulation, because
[00:08:37] I, I observe quite a few
[00:08:40] differences, first,
[00:08:43] because I am not just interested in civilian
[00:08:47] rule, I'm interested in democracy,
[00:08:51] and the prefix to democracy is demo, the people,
[00:08:55] yeah, and what is lacking in Nigeria
[00:08:59] is the participation the people, the people of
[00:09:03] Nigeria don't live in the same country as people
[00:09:07] in power, and when you talk the middle
[00:09:10] class, if you calculate - economy will have
[00:09:14] the econometrics the excluded
[00:09:17] middle, that is why our economy doesn't work, there's no middle class
[00:09:21] anymore, so it's the econometrics the excluded
[00:09:23] middle, so and to get the excluded
[00:09:27] middle to be
[00:09:30] included, you need to
[00:09:33] get the people themselves who are the baseline people, yeah,
[00:09:37] to be interested in the politics,
[00:09:40] now I don't want to go back. to f in history,
[00:09:44] even our independence struggle was
[00:09:47] elitist, majority the people in the
[00:09:50] communities, the villages just thought, okay, the
[00:09:54] educated people, the British have
[00:09:57] issues, and there was no much difference between the
[00:10:01] two, and it's not like the mau movement
[00:10:05] of Kenya, it's not like the Southern African serious
[00:10:08] battles where in the fight for independence
[00:10:12] you come you will have lost a son or daughter, you have had an
[00:10:16] uncle went to prison, you will have had running battles in your
[00:10:19] community,
[00:10:21] so someone in order um...
[00:10:25] or half year just knows that oh they've got independence and the
[00:10:29] white man is living and some black folks are taking over taking over and you
[00:10:33] jack down and green white green up and then over time
[00:10:37] there's no difference in their lives so they don't live in that country they live in
[00:10:41] Nigeria as geographical location
[00:10:44] for the struggle their biology I have
[00:10:48] to feed I have to feed my family I have to defend myself
[00:10:52] I have to run away from bandits I have have to have
[00:10:56] to have sustainance over my head, i'm doing
[00:10:59] all of this on my own occasionally, if there
[00:11:03] something useful in my community,
[00:11:05] the big man will come, codon us off and send us
[00:11:08] away, or as the present leadership is doing
[00:11:11] nigeria, they will send bandits to shase you away, the government will not
[00:11:15] come and negotiate with you anymore, say we found these minerals in your
[00:11:19] place, we want to come and exploit you, what can we do for you, they will not do that, the
[00:11:23] forgot about the mining act, forgot about they just send all
[00:11:27] these people and pretend that they don't know who they are, chase you away and they start to steal out the
[00:11:30] material, so on the politics
[00:11:34] is the is the ultimate art
[00:11:38] of elite arrival, when you
[00:11:41] want to announce yourself that you are the apex the elite, you
[00:11:45] just gather resources and say i'm running for a big
[00:11:48] office uh hire virtually everybody almost
[00:11:52] everybody flying with you, you are paying their way. you're buying their
[00:11:56] clothes, you're feeding them, so it's like a fan's
[00:11:59] club, the way all the empire we used to have it
[00:12:02] call, where you if you are
[00:12:06] wealthy in those days in Europa land, you could set up your
[00:12:09] own theater troop and then you have their own
[00:12:12] mascarade and then you go around town, you are
[00:12:15] expressing we call them in those
[00:12:18] days history, so that is what you're doing politics, so the
[00:12:22] common man doesn't feel that the... the
[00:12:26] disagreement between me
[00:12:28] and
[00:12:32] between me and has to do with him to do with
[00:12:35] him, is that why in your own view they are susceptible to being
[00:12:39] bought? that's
[00:12:40] what is they are - they consider irrelevant and they are pathetic and
[00:12:44] they are those being bought are part the
[00:12:48] concept, they hire troops, so you hire someone to sing for
[00:12:52] you, you hire them to campaign for you, you h them to go on radio
[00:12:56] or tv and speak for you, you also hire them to organize voter, you also
[00:13:00] hire the voters to vote, so it's a it's a
[00:13:04] politics that looks more
[00:13:07] like what happened in 19th century
[00:13:10] where companies were formed in
[00:13:14] London, Liverpool to go to Africa or Asia, East
[00:13:18] India Company Orger company go and take over to go and
[00:13:22] take over the place, so everybody working including Luga. was an employee of
[00:13:26] a company, so they go there and take over the territory, that's
[00:13:29] what tinubu and the likes and all the people are doing, which is that
[00:13:33] with form of a political party which is like royal energer
[00:13:37] company, we hire people to come and work for us, some for violence, some
[00:13:41] for their eloquence, some for their
[00:13:43] organizability, some for other things and
[00:13:47] then we took over the economy and we appropriate to
[00:13:51] ourselves, so the people of Nigeria therefore as still
[00:13:55] living under Chinu, the way they lived under
[00:13:59] Tom Goldi, the way they live under Lugad, and there
[00:14:02] the short interragunum the first republic where
[00:14:06] our people had true leaders, the
[00:14:09] leaders could not agree among themselves about national
[00:14:12] philosophy, eventually they got killed and the rest
[00:14:16] them now, but but the but your point is that they had resonance with
[00:14:20] their people, those ones had resonance because they had to go back
[00:14:24] to the people. for the continuation
[00:14:28] of existence in in power,
[00:14:31] okay, but since 1966 to
[00:14:35] date, maybe about 1993, nobody is
[00:14:39] interested so far taking their mandate from the
[00:14:41] people, and what i thought i could contribute to
[00:14:45] politics is to go back to the people and try
[00:14:49] to bridge the gap between the concept of
[00:14:52] nigeria and the elite concept of. Nigeria
[00:14:56] the elite concept of Nigeria is a country where
[00:14:59] you feel entitled
[00:15:01] for such a little contribution
[00:15:04] to gain accolates for
[00:15:08] writing one or two papers you want to be a professor or hanging around
[00:15:12] the ministry you want to be a permanent secretary for doing one or two exercises in
[00:15:16] the military you want to be a general because you are the only general no general has come
[00:15:20] from your state so they will force you to be made a general if somebody dies you get
[00:15:23] promoted so the least can be professor of messy and he has
[00:15:27] no clue about any solution he has found for anybody,
[00:15:31] so everybody is entitled to take out the country,
[00:15:35] nobody is willing to contribute to the... country that much,
[00:15:39] so now we thought that okay, the on people have stakes
[00:15:42] in the country who are to have the highest states
[00:15:46] are not participating and the elite are not ready to make
[00:15:49] contribution, there are some countries in america you see the have
[00:15:53] different generations, yeah they
[00:15:55] have what they call the greatest generation, yeah those who could die for
[00:15:58] something that is for the country, yeah those who at
[00:16:02] 19 would jump on top of bomb to save their
[00:16:05] own platoon. you then you have another
[00:16:09] generation who went to fight in
[00:16:12] vietnam, you have another generation that is devoted to civil
[00:16:16] rights, so this if you look at
[00:16:18] 1960, the generation that went for
[00:16:21] independence, then we had another
[00:16:24] generation that fought for return of
[00:16:28] civil civil rule, return to civil
[00:16:30] rule, and lost
[00:16:34] his life in the process even though that was all post for himself at the
[00:16:38] beginning, then you had so
[00:16:41] many them countless and you
[00:16:44] had cat,
[00:16:47] even ubasani who has
[00:16:51] not moved
[00:16:52] into something i can't recognize anymore, so you have such
[00:16:54] people frank kokori
[00:16:58] and so
[00:17:01] many obiora, so many people
[00:17:05] now since 1999 'm you have a
[00:17:09] stand for nothing is elite, so if you are going
[00:17:13] to be arguing with the elite for a long
[00:17:17] time, you will not get it, i thought the best to do is go back to the
[00:17:21] people and get them reconciled with the notion
[00:17:24] that yes you are doing lot through self help, but it
[00:17:28] will be better for us to organize ourselves as a country and try to build
[00:17:32] a civilization for ourselves, try to build a state for
[00:17:36] ourselves and try to organize a politics that will allow
[00:17:39] a state to exist in Nigeria, sovereign
[00:17:43] state called Federal Republic of Nigeria right, and to
[00:17:47] also have a civilization, using chapter two the
[00:17:50] constitution as a template to arriving at that, okay praise,
[00:17:54] so the the the other question round that is,
[00:17:57] you know, what kind of feedback are you getting
[00:18:01] you, which is what I'm trying to get to, are you are you able
[00:18:05] to mobilize those people? understand that this is this is their
[00:18:09] future that they have to be there are four reactions i'm
[00:18:12] getting reaction number one guess
[00:18:16] is like oh there still nigeria we are relevant
[00:18:20] in this thing you guys
[00:18:22] do you just want to votes so the first thing
[00:18:25] is just assume you are first reaction to assume that you are one
[00:18:28] the mobile companies the
[00:18:32] replacement the replacement come periodically to come
[00:18:36] and would wink them votes, but when they listen to the deep
[00:18:39] conversation and the number of times that we come, they realize that we're
[00:18:43] trying to get something greater than than themselves out
[00:18:46] them, and then the the next is
[00:18:50] to define the country from their own
[00:18:54] perspective, and when you get introduced to Nigeria like
[00:18:57] that, I discover that many of
[00:19:01] our leaders are bound to fail because they don't even know the
[00:19:05] people that they are. company so they
[00:19:09] think, okay, then you get introduced to the
[00:19:11] country from the perspective of fellow
[00:19:14] countryman of country woman who is living in
[00:19:18] different corners of nigeria from yours and who
[00:19:22] does not know that there's
[00:19:23] a government in place, is that the second response? yes,
[00:19:27] that's talking about the four responses, yes, the third one is
[00:19:30] that they tend to now connect the
[00:19:34] dot between their experiences where... they
[00:19:37] are to the experiences of other people who you relate to
[00:19:41] them to say, oh this problem you have is also the problem they
[00:19:44] have at the other end and these other people there is other side there is
[00:19:48] actually having it better right, and then the fourth
[00:19:52] is that they stand to now agree to organize
[00:19:56] m, they now begin to say
[00:20:00] okay so what can
[00:20:01] we do, how can we organize and then they get feedback, so it's
[00:20:05] a
[00:20:07] process that... the way we are doing it, they now have a connection, there
[00:20:11] are many Nigerians, at least in my own honest
[00:20:14] view, there are at least two million Nigerians that
[00:20:18] through my own effort
[00:20:22] be discovered that president, they discovered,
[00:20:25] yeah, because they just thought, here's one man in
[00:20:29] Abuja who we have nothing to do
[00:20:31] with, and when you now connect the fact
[00:20:35] that is working for you, is your servant,
[00:20:39] actually he fits on your money, he sleeves in your
[00:20:42] house, you cloth him, you pay his transportation,
[00:20:46] yeah, you mean they didn't know that was president, they don't, there's no reason,
[00:20:49] don't know and and i can challenge
[00:20:53] president to go around the country, they didn't know, so you have to tell them that they don't who who the president
[00:20:56] was, they know that
[00:20:57] it's a man, okay, they don't see any
[00:21:01] connection, they will see him the same way they will see king of saudi arabia
[00:21:05] or see or cameron or the reason why i said that you know
[00:21:08] just let me make this anecdote prince and then we come back to
[00:21:12] it because you know i witness something similar that's why wanted to clarify it and for
[00:21:16] the b of our audience so uh the v president who I
[00:21:20] work with for eight years went a visit to Bayersate, I
[00:21:24] think that was disaster, you know, so uh, so the the the
[00:21:28] governor was then dixing, took him
[00:21:32] to some the victims, yes, you know, so so the governor was
[00:21:36] telling the victims that do
[00:21:38] you know the vice president, of course said
[00:21:42] that, the vice president, we don't never met, we
[00:21:46] don't ev vice president, that vice president also has the...
[00:21:57] yeah so that so now our people are really just
[00:22:00] completely disconnected, they don't want yes because the
[00:22:04] selfishness the elite, the way we have done
[00:22:08] it is to metropolize power and metropolize
[00:22:12] the economy, that's why they can come on your
[00:22:15] show shamelessly and say we have grown the reserve up
[00:22:19] to this amount.
[00:22:19] 'm uh we have the statistics says this, world
[00:22:23] bank says that, doesn't they don't know their own people, if if you go
[00:22:27] back to the musings and writings of
[00:22:31] lugard in those days when frederick lugad used to have this argument
[00:22:35] with about
[00:22:37] all of that, and the one the writings -
[00:22:41] when they were the argument was getting to
[00:22:44] off, he tough a challenge
[00:22:48] that all these people are talking'.
[00:22:52] oh okay and it
[00:22:54] it said that nationalist that
[00:22:58] the trusad negroes of lagos and they are
[00:23:02] speaking for Nigeria, the trsad negroes of Lagos are taking for
[00:23:05] Nigeria, these are the people who used to send their suit
[00:23:09] on elder demster ship to Liverpool to be
[00:23:13] iron and send back and they are speaking of
[00:23:16] people, so
[00:23:20] just thought these people don't know what they're doing and and
[00:23:24] that still persists today, the people in the villa
[00:23:28] are for agents, is almost himself
[00:23:31] tourist to Nigeria, wow that's somebody who occasionally yeah
[00:23:35] visits Nigeria for, it will be equivalent to
[00:23:38] somebody who studies
[00:23:40] an open university to write exam
[00:23:44] we going to talk about about the president
[00:23:47] specifically you know, but I think this particular... that you describe
[00:23:51] is is more the systemic disconnection between govern those
[00:23:55] who govern and the people and it's a deliberate is is
[00:23:59] result of deliberate policy of exclusion okay but but before we get to that
[00:24:03] to that one did
[00:24:04] you get any kind of feedback
[00:24:06] you know uh you're talking about the four kind that you had from anybody
[00:24:10] for instance in the southwest and say that i
[00:24:12] prince you man why are you going against
[00:24:16] him because quite a lot of uh some of those narratives
[00:24:23] what i know is that there may be
[00:24:25] some
[00:24:27] of
[00:24:30] president's friends, those are in
[00:24:34] their company who might be sending that
[00:24:37] narrative, i saw it when i went efe, decided when they were
[00:24:41] doing the appointment and people thought we should go and take appointment with the government that
[00:24:45] people
[00:24:45] would don't believe in at all, but the average
[00:24:48] person they don't regard
[00:24:52] president as yorava person, oh because it doesn't have the
[00:24:56] character of
[00:24:57] a yoruba person, oh i see have that, you see
[00:25:00] your person, i think your person, it's expected at
[00:25:04] least in public life that you person will be
[00:25:07] kind, honest, hardwing,
[00:25:11] transparent, and you could have
[00:25:14] some assurance, even if you go on the
[00:25:16] street, they will tell you great
[00:25:20] father, you're supposed to be a well known quantity and there's a code
[00:25:24] of conduct, so for could those eas
[00:25:26] who have made it their duty to go around
[00:25:30] saying that they don't have a good subject matter
[00:25:34] to use, you cannot say to be honest, there's no traditional
[00:25:38] ruler, there's no leader of thought, there's no cludy, there's no
[00:25:42] affenifer, there's no euro forum, who can go honestly
[00:25:46] to say person.
[00:26:04] himself, if you see the quality, you look at the kind of
[00:26:07] quality of people, even the second
[00:26:10] republic, if you look at the third
[00:26:14] republic, look at the quality of leadership, then
[00:26:17] look at the
[00:26:18] governor,
[00:26:22] jacande,
[00:26:26] if you look
[00:26:27] around, the kind
[00:26:31] of person you can... used to quieting other people
[00:26:35] to say, it doesn't make the standard, but
[00:26:39] so and not i want to let are not
[00:26:41] tribalistic, you are not nepotistic
[00:26:45] and you are not bigoted, no eur
[00:26:49] person will use a bad example of eura
[00:26:52] person to inspire his children, he will say
[00:26:56] that so you think that is a
[00:27:00] bad example of person, yes and people would not
[00:27:03] let them be defined by that, but but they voted for him in in
[00:27:07] 2023? no, they did not, first you
[00:27:10] know, no, no, no, look at
[00:27:13] it, just just
[00:27:15] happen, 71
[00:27:18] killed, hundreds team prison in
[00:27:21] in prison and kefi prison, taking
[00:27:24] from like extraordinary redition
[00:27:28] like, so and not the b of...
[00:27:32] and all of that, and at that
[00:27:34] time he had not
[00:27:38] govern, most did not know
[00:27:42] in government, he was governor of lagos,
[00:27:46] doesn't live in lagos, okay,
[00:27:48] what do not business with lagos,
[00:27:51] so some maybe lagus, but your person, somebody is, what is the
[00:27:55] business, so
[00:27:58] now he is now presideding
[00:28:02] over the affairs of this country, we should a spectacular
[00:28:06] tragedy of of bad governance, and for your
[00:28:10] people who have a sense of quality that they even
[00:28:13] critique, they even critique British
[00:28:16] rule, they were not satisfied with it, they critique the rule
[00:28:20] the
[00:28:21] Allah fins, yeah, critique, so the your people are not the kind of
[00:28:24] people who will commit suicide together with you because
[00:28:28] you want to die under bad governors, so they
[00:28:31] are not going. if they see as they have seen quality
[00:28:35] people coming out, they r feel inspired that
[00:28:39] okay, at least it is not
[00:28:43] only the tragedy the misgovernance that is going to
[00:28:47] define the polities the southwest,
[00:28:49] there are other people coming out, all they can worry about is
[00:28:52] your prospects, the way they are throwing money around, the violence
[00:28:56] the introducing all the so call structure, how
[00:28:59] are you going to cop with that, those are the feedback that i get okay? and the rather
[00:29:03] encourage you to push and to say what is right, to do what is
[00:29:06] right. i think the where the act
[00:29:10] of your justice bend is towards the truth. okay,
[00:29:14] not perfect. all right, so so and mean i think it's
[00:29:18] reasonable to uh to make that assumption, but the
[00:29:21] problem that we find in the empirical analysis is
[00:29:25] that the people involved in that
[00:29:28] narrative are essentially the well to do.
[00:29:32] elitest or at least people who have who have
[00:29:36] attained some self actualization, you understand? those are the
[00:29:40] people that are so vast and
[00:29:43] engaged in those uh narrative of which you speak,
[00:29:47] you know, my own concern is that the
[00:29:50] ordinary man, how are we going to bring
[00:29:54] back the connection? you understand?
[00:29:57] because just a minute prince, because so the
[00:30:01] way our election. have gone,
[00:30:03] you know, essentially part the problem that that we have in my view is
[00:30:07] that the people have been
[00:30:10] dispossessed, and it's not just recent thing, I think
[00:30:14] you significantly
[00:30:16] for for for a large part, I think in 2015 there was a little bit of
[00:30:20] national clamor,
[00:30:21] you know, something like that, but I, I, I think there's been
[00:30:25] such very significant disconnection in this
[00:30:28] country whereby politicians have.
[00:30:32] managed how to make sure that those who come out to
[00:30:36] vote, they are bought, they are their own, they can predict it, they know what
[00:30:40] we happen, the know that some people are not going to come out, that's the real problem in
[00:30:44] my view, yeah, is a real problem, but you are solving that problem
[00:30:48] because people retreat from a
[00:30:51] mess, but when a mess is coming to where they
[00:30:55] are retreating to, they have to confront
[00:30:57] and clear it off, are we at that point, well at that?