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[00:00:03] of
[00:00:04] of
[00:00:18] of of of
[00:00:36] of
[00:00:55] is getting defectters. The party received new members
[00:00:59] and the party is national secretariat in Abuja
[00:01:03] and the reasons for the defactor's movement into the
[00:01:07] ruling party are clear
[00:01:09] take a listen to them, we are not here for any financial
[00:01:13] of gain, we are not here for any pecuniary
[00:01:16] interest, we are not here for any monetary
[00:01:20] consideration, but we are here for the sake
[00:01:26] of of the unity of Nigeria, your excellency, "we are
[00:01:30] grassroot politician with strong followership, significant
[00:01:34] political influence and credible chances of winning
[00:01:37] elections in our various constituencies. your
[00:01:41] excellency, as you see us here, everyone here is
[00:01:45] a highly productive in their careers, highly
[00:01:48] successful, we are adequately educated and
[00:01:51] exposed, so we are not here to jock, we are
[00:01:55] here to support the
[00:01:57] of pathway to success that is APC.
[00:02:01] well receiving them to at this point as we head into the
[00:02:05] elections means one thing for the APC
[00:02:10] of leadership let me welcome all of you to our great party
[00:02:12] and thank you for taking this decisive
[00:02:16] action that you're
[00:02:20] not just changing a platform but you're coming
[00:02:24] in to join in reinforcing our belief in
[00:02:28] president and his new
[00:02:30] agenda, I'm
[00:02:34] happy that most of you are from northern part of
[00:02:37] me Nigeria, where
[00:02:38] me I come from, where all of
[00:02:40] me us come from, if anybody has to work for the
[00:02:43] unity of Nigeria is
[00:02:47] of President,
[00:02:47] we repeat the same thing he has done for
[00:02:49] us, that's why I'm
[00:02:53] happy that you're coming to join hs with us
[00:02:57] so we can build a stronger Nigeria. in more
[00:03:00] united nigeria in Nigeria that will work for the
[00:03:04] prosperity, common prosperity of
[00:03:06] of the common man
[00:03:07] of the street, but as the party is gaining
[00:03:11] more members, is it gaining the confidence of
[00:03:14] Nigerians, as race to 2027 election
[00:03:18] intensifies, the government's proposed petrol price
[00:03:21] measures
[00:03:22] of have
[00:03:23] of reopened the debate over subsidy, the cost of reform and the
[00:03:27] of relief households are still waiting for. the minister gave the
[00:03:31] nation the new price and petroleum administration regime and its
[00:03:35] protocol. pump
[00:03:38] of prices should not have to
[00:03:42] follow every swing
[00:03:43] of in global
[00:03:44] of crude or the exchange rate. the government is
[00:03:48] negotiating sealing of 1,350 nir a
[00:03:52] liter on the ex guntry or
[00:03:55] of landing cost of petrol to keep on prices
[00:03:58] stable. where cost rise
[00:04:01] of above the
[00:04:02] of ceiling, refiners and importers will carry the
[00:04:05] shortfall and recover it later, when crude prices or
[00:04:09] exchange rates allow without brising the ceiling,
[00:04:13] this is neither a subsidy nor a price
[00:04:16] control, of course on that
[00:04:19] announcement, barrage of responses and
[00:04:23] of reactions of have triled it and it's coming so fast, opposition
[00:04:26] leaders are giving their thoughts and
[00:04:30] of a
[00:04:36] of of a of
[00:04:37] of of of
[00:04:44] me a of
[00:04:51] of
[00:04:53] of
[00:04:58] me supports, you call
[00:05:02] me ignorant of economic
[00:05:04] policy, your government said it could not be
[00:05:08] done, now
[00:05:10] in a desperate and cl.
[00:05:26] It means that 86,400 per
[00:05:28] month, are we not a problem?
[00:05:31] opposition candidates are challenging president bolatinobu's
[00:05:35] record, while disputes within the ruling party rais
[00:05:38] questions about his unity and readiness.
[00:05:43] for the all important 2027 polls tonight on the
[00:05:46] program, we put those questions to the man with at
[00:05:50] his center of it all, the APC national chairman
[00:05:54] professor, can his party turn
[00:05:58] political strength into better living conditions
[00:06:01] and make a convincing case for another
[00:06:19] the election, I saw that you went on vacation and
[00:06:22] have you recuperated enough to get started for the election, not
[00:06:26] do vacation, I went to plan, oh, you went a retreat,
[00:06:30] yes, personal retreat to plan, and I came back
[00:06:34] straight to medi for retreat with all the working, national
[00:06:38] working committee the party, all the state chairman.
[00:06:43] and the critical people that will play a role in 2027 general election,
[00:06:47] i was with them for four days in three days in my degree
[00:06:50] and um it was we ex-ray the party, we look at our
[00:06:54] strength, we look at our weaknesses and we look at the opportunities
[00:06:58] are there for us to win the election and we measure ourself, we are good to
[00:07:02] go, so
[00:07:03] it was all true also that you were sort of inducing people
[00:07:06] bribing them, 5 billion for governors, 2 billion for
[00:07:10] senators, 1 billion. for house of reps, house of
[00:07:14] assembly, like that, like that, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure that's what they're
[00:07:17] doing, they said you're doling out money, that's that's what they're doing, rather as
[00:07:21] opposition, they've done all they can to win even a
[00:07:25] word chairman in our party, they can't win it, that's the least they
[00:07:29] would have done, they can't even get one person from APC to
[00:07:33] come to their party, so do do you actually bright
[00:07:36] people, or do you actually bribe me to come here?
[00:07:40] I ask you, I ask I ask you also. so the
[00:07:43] people that are defecting, I'm asking, are you bribing them in the real sense? do you
[00:07:47] give them any incentives? let me, let me, let ask, let
[00:07:50] ask, let ask you a question, when governor were
[00:07:54] coming, they said we're paying each governor to defect
[00:07:58] 200 billion, that's the figure, that's
[00:08:01] what they gave, now we moved over how many governors, we're
[00:08:05] taking of how many trillions that would have moved, you
[00:08:09] can't moved like 3 trillion. of economy
[00:08:13] without the economy shaking and without the moving being sent, without
[00:08:17] the trail, without the trest, are you paying them in inst, but you
[00:08:21] know, but that's what they claim, you see, so when people make
[00:08:24] claims, big claims, i would have asked,
[00:08:28] i would have love them to bring evidence, but
[00:08:30] you see these people are just just propagandis, they
[00:08:34] made one them, one the spokeman of ADC made one
[00:08:38] statement to tell you how they don't even know what's happening even in government in their
[00:08:41] country, he said the total amount
[00:08:44] given to the students for student loan is
[00:08:48] 2000 per annual, he did even
[00:08:51] know that we pay school fees, the whole school
[00:08:55] fees the students regardless the amount, what is 5
[00:08:58] million, 3 million, 4 million is paid for you,
[00:09:02] but every month we give them 10 2000 for
[00:09:05] up, he assume because one them, those students that
[00:09:09] got the money and they were on air, they were celebrate. and they say we
[00:09:13] paid our 2000, he assumed that is the amount being
[00:09:17] given to them, they don't even study the document, they don't have time to for rigos, they
[00:09:21] don't have time for details and that's why
[00:09:25] the the the the craft numbers go to
[00:09:28] the air with those numbers and just throw them to the air, but give us an
[00:09:31] understanding, what evidence shows that
[00:09:35] these defectors reflect public
[00:09:39] approval of president policies or this
[00:09:43] government's policies rather than politicians calculating where their
[00:09:47] careers are safest because everyone politicians want
[00:09:51] safe haven for them, are you winning over Nigerians or
[00:09:54] you are simply recruiting? let let ask
[00:09:56] me
[00:09:56] you a question these politicians, who are these Nigerians? are
[00:10:00] politicians not Nigerians? do you want to separate Nigeria into
[00:10:03] categories? which category going to place people that don't actually
[00:10:07] support, but and who told you
[00:10:11] that? his people would on the policies of this
[00:10:14] government of course, of course, but you listen to
[00:10:18] the the the statements, the
[00:10:28] take one the candidates, his excellency was the vice
[00:10:31] president, he chaired the economic
[00:10:34] team as 1999,
[00:10:37] 2003, he privatized most the critical
[00:10:40] infrastructure of this country, let me take one
[00:10:43] them, the aluminium spending company
[00:10:47] in, it was
[00:10:51] built for 3.5 billion US dollars, it was
[00:10:55] sold for less than 130 million US
[00:10:58] dollars, less than 4% the cost
[00:11:01] of building infrastructure, you mean that in less than
[00:11:05] five years the company was less, was it has,
[00:11:09] it has degraded by
[00:11:12] 96%, you
[00:11:16] mean these people are not listening, and they don't know
[00:11:20] the the the the iron smelting
[00:11:23] company in um in delta, the iron in
[00:11:27] delta, it was built for 1.5 billion US
[00:11:30] dollars, it was sold for 3000 for 30 million US
[00:11:34] dollars, just about
[00:11:37] 3% the cost of building construction, you mean
[00:11:41] has degraded in less than in about 10 years
[00:11:44] and
[00:11:46] you accountable for this, of course these people are, these are facts, people
[00:11:50] are reading it, people know, people
[00:11:54] know he... about even confess, he said he's sorry to nigerians
[00:11:57] and we made mistake in the power sector
[00:12:01] because they spent 15 billion that we couldn't see anything that the f 15 billion
[00:12:05] us dollars that was invested in that sector you know
[00:12:09] now so we you can visibly see what we are
[00:12:12] doing but what are the legacy of
[00:12:16] articu which the
[00:12:19] companies when he came in
[00:12:22] Toyota Pujo was for. national, it was
[00:12:25] running, all the cars that we give national assembly members 1999
[00:12:29] came from pujo, he privatized it, today
[00:12:33] after privat pujo cannot produce one i
[00:12:36] mean, he was vice
[00:12:40] president, but he he chaired the privatization
[00:12:44] company, committee and you
[00:12:47] think he chai it, of
[00:12:50] course, and for this reason
[00:12:52] you don't think
[00:13:04] far better now I'll give you many
[00:13:06] factors president met
[00:13:10] legos at roughly about 18 about 14
[00:13:14] billion naira per annum roughly today we are
[00:13:18] talking about over a
[00:13:21] trillion revenue a sort of institution.
[00:13:25] institutions to working, he said the rail, the blue line, the red
[00:13:29] line in legos, red line, today they are all
[00:13:33] functional, he said that lasma is functional, he
[00:13:36] said, he sort of institutions, and institution build
[00:13:40] up lagos, he came today, he came up here, what has he
[00:13:44] done, first he set up the tax regime, tax law,
[00:13:48] tax law has brought in has free in more resources for the
[00:13:52] poorest the poor in this country. before
[00:13:55] now, you recall before
[00:13:57] this tax reform, if you
[00:13:59] have bicycle in the village, you pay tax for bicycle, you pay tax for
[00:14:03] radio, you pay tax for tv, you pay
[00:14:06] tax for even the chicken you are taking to go and sell in the market, you are going to
[00:14:09] sell vegetable, you pay tax for it, today your turnover must be
[00:14:13] more than 100 million na before you pay tax on it, it has
[00:14:17] free money for the less privilege for the SMEs to
[00:14:21] strive, business Nigeria to strive before now,
[00:14:26] "if
[00:14:26] you civil servant, if you're earning even 10 n your
[00:14:29] tax today, if you're earning less than 800
[00:14:33] thousand per annum, you not paid, you not tax, for
[00:14:36] any salary you're earning per annum, they will deduct the first 100, the
[00:14:40] first um 800 thousand for you before they will start
[00:14:44] taxing you and they also give you housing, the they
[00:14:48] def housing this for you, so you have a percentage
[00:14:52] also that that they did your salary." and for for also for
[00:14:56] for for rent, so
[00:14:58] you know there are so much that has come to the poorest the poor in terms the
[00:15:02] tax regime favoring the poorest the poor, this is
[00:15:06] reform the government has done, but that same tax has brought more money to government, it
[00:15:10] has brought more people to tax net, people that us don't used to pay tax
[00:15:14] before,
[00:15:15] the tax net and that has increased tax the country without affecting the poreest the
[00:15:19] poor, and the same way he has gone for power, the new power
[00:15:23] regime allow for the... states and
[00:15:26] private citizen to generate power, sell to the
[00:15:30] to individuals, sell to government and also they can
[00:15:34] generate, they can transmit and they can't contribute as
[00:15:38] states now this opportunity has given the state that
[00:15:41] generating power, of course you know that b has already commissioned their
[00:15:44] own uh on has already commissioned their
[00:15:47] own the same thing with no state
[00:15:51] administ government inugu has already commission the
[00:15:55] projects to where were they before i can go on and
[00:15:59] on and on and tell you the policy that has made people these
[00:16:02] defectos yes can you categorically tell
[00:16:06] nigerians that join APC guarantees
[00:16:09] neither a ticket nor protection from
[00:16:12] investigation and how do you explain how your party
[00:16:16] makes that
[00:16:17] are not holding holding a position in
[00:16:20] government not talk of not running from the law from
[00:16:24] the law because the feeling is that once
[00:16:28] anybody enter into ABC is covered all them
[00:16:32] today is a professor
[00:16:34] who was running for the house of representative. the ADC,
[00:16:38] he opted to leave to join us, these are
[00:16:42] these are people, they
[00:16:43] are not giving any ticket, nothing, you're not protecting from
[00:16:46] the law been closed, we can't even make the statement
[00:16:50] that once anybody enters in your party is protected from the law,
[00:16:54] no all his sins are are forgiven, give me one evidence, there
[00:16:58] are there are very notable nigerians
[00:17:00] undergoing prosecution, and all of
[00:17:04] sudden once they enter into your party, there's some kind of... give me one
[00:17:08] evidence, the the the allegations is actually the
[00:17:12] statement is linked to
[00:17:14] a senior member of your party, give me one evidence,
[00:17:18] should we go to delta state? yes, the former governor,
[00:17:22] so if and has proced
[00:17:25] stopped, when last did hear anything about that? i say has procedure
[00:17:29] stopped, mean i'm asking that, have you heard anything recently about that?
[00:17:33] you left office which year
[00:17:35] 2023? how many years ago? it's about three and a
[00:17:39] half years ago. good. so he defect our party which
[00:17:42] year about two years ago. the prosecution started which
[00:17:45] year? before he left your party? no, before
[00:17:49] ev before he left office
[00:17:51] even. so all of sudden there is
[00:17:55] no, even before then, of course it's a
[00:17:57] procedure. i just wanted to get your commitment
[00:18:00] that anybody coming to your party is not. as soon as the
[00:18:04] enter your party, they are not safe from the law, they are not. "they are not
[00:18:08] protected, nobody's protected, nobody is
[00:18:10] protected, but that's the feeling, I don't mention, I don't
[00:18:14] want to mention names, but I know members of our party also who are undergoing
[00:18:17] prosecution, who appear in the court every
[00:18:20] day, and you mean tell me that are
[00:18:24] they less members the APC, now you know anybody, as
[00:18:28] long as you've not been convicted, we
[00:18:31] assumed that you're innocent, because that's what the law
[00:18:34] says, so as as as APC member..." "we can't
[00:18:38] use street prosecution to go ahead and
[00:18:42] deny people that fundamental human rights, you are having a lot of problems, so
[00:18:46] you say you have done a lot of internal
[00:18:49] problems, are you the same person, are you the person tell me what's happening in my
[00:18:53] party,
[00:18:53] or I tell you what's happened in my party, sometimes you may not see yourself very well, no, I see very
[00:18:57] well, the mirror may not be telling you a true true picture of
[00:19:01] of how you look, but and let me put context to you sir, you have problem in
[00:19:04] channels, I want to you have many problems." as every private
[00:19:08] organization do the same thing with the party
[00:19:11] so
[00:19:11] no political party
[00:19:12] and i'll point this out to you sir yes um you said you've done the
[00:19:16] retreat the internal ranker within your party
[00:19:20] what mechanism have you put in place to reserving
[00:19:23] them now let me just um put it
[00:19:26] up to you first we put up there are the
[00:19:29] fault um approach that we've done
[00:19:33] so we analyze them we look at the risk factor we look at
[00:19:37] the actors in each the states and we
[00:19:41] set up different committees to reach out to people
[00:19:44] based on where the risk
[00:19:47] factor, the people actors involved and the
[00:19:50] people they can listen to, and he also say we don't even have major
[00:19:54] issues, mean major issues like
[00:19:57] cattina, katina will not have any major issue, masari and the
[00:20:01] governor, it has been resolved, was family
[00:20:03] issue,
[00:20:07] no major issue, really? yes a lot the
[00:20:11] members of your party have left and they said
[00:20:13] that now sitting senator the APC has gotten a
[00:20:17] ticket in the pdp, they said we work for at the
[00:20:21] center, but for
[00:20:23] the other position is against the APC. now when you
[00:20:27] said somebody has left the
[00:20:30] party, the first question as are we engaging him as
[00:20:34] a party? are you the people are engaging them? are you of
[00:20:38] course and there are specifically on kwara mater on how are you reserving
[00:20:42] it? we we have we have mechanism the people the feeling out there in
[00:20:46] qu is that there is no way APC can win governorship or any?
[00:20:50] That's your own feeling, no, no, I said the feeler on the ground, that's own
[00:20:53] feeler, that's your own feeler, now let me just you know
[00:20:57] the is people like you make assumption, the people have
[00:21:00] assumption that only kara central can produce a governor, and I
[00:21:04] think that's what your belief is to, and because
[00:21:08] statistically believe that kara central bring the highest number of votes to the
[00:21:11] table, and that's why you can always be the table to win the
[00:21:15] election, quarta south produces the
[00:21:19] least number of. votes in the state, quada south has produced a
[00:21:23] governor, quada north is second in terms of
[00:21:26] voting strength of of
[00:21:30] state, they not produce a governor, they have actually, but not in
[00:21:34] this republic, not this republic, that was
[00:21:37] 91, and he did finish his term, all the governors that
[00:21:41] have come in from Lawal in 1999 till till
[00:21:45] date, only one person is from quadra south, all the rest are from quadra
[00:21:48] central. so the party in his own wisdom
[00:21:51] felt that they should be inclusion and they moved
[00:21:55] the uh seat to the kara note, the para
[00:21:59] center people are not happy because they fail they should have
[00:22:02] it, but the par not are very
[00:22:06] happy, mean very happy that for the first
[00:22:10] time a part political party is given
[00:22:14] in the first right of denial, so
[00:22:17] even when the governor at the first and...
[00:22:24] now you see a governor is as an
[00:22:27] individual, the party is
[00:22:29] institution, so the institution is greater than any
[00:22:33] individual in the party, so it was your leadership that prevailed on the
[00:22:37] governor for you to have not s not
[00:22:40] a northern candidate from karara, they have the
[00:22:44] stakeholders and there are no, there's institution the party at the
[00:22:48] state level so... don't actually make a choice to people choice
[00:22:52] to to the state who they want to make, their governor or their
[00:22:55] candidate, but there are stakeholders that are engaged, so he wasn't the
[00:22:59] president or your office, never, it was kara
[00:23:02] people
[00:23:03] that decision, but that engagement is costing the
[00:23:06] party, is is is a threat to your party in, there's no
[00:23:10] way that you can take a decision on um when you have
[00:23:13] contest, you have 16 contestant to one position, sarakid's popularity is
[00:23:17] swaring now, no APC is that's your thinking that's
[00:23:21] that's your thinking you are in
[00:23:24] Abuja
[00:23:25] you have i'm a journalist i have my
[00:23:29] states your ears are based on sentiment
[00:23:33] take you from away from karara i take you to yes
[00:23:36] bichi and the deputy senate president you're late that's a problem
[00:23:40] you're late i saw the meeting with the
[00:23:42] governor but those who say
[00:23:46] those are photorops who told you that the real problem has not
[00:23:50] being resolved, well now who is supposed to resolve this problem is not the
[00:23:53] party and we're here and we say we resolved
[00:23:57] it, now let me just tell
[00:24:00] you, there's no political
[00:24:03] party, there's no political party that you're bringing
[00:24:07] millions of people in only one roof and
[00:24:11] you said you don't have little frictions, but you not look at the
[00:24:15] overall threat to the system and the
[00:24:17] party.
[00:24:20] all
[00:24:21] the all the election will be winning in those states they may have their
[00:24:25] little difference all those, but when it comes to the overall interest the
[00:24:28] party, what matters is how we can
[00:24:32] go and win the election, so we have the majority
[00:24:36] behind you, yes, i can mention, i can go on and on
[00:24:39] ogon, jigawa, balchi, sokoto, and
[00:24:43] everywhere there are problems in your party, but the question i'm asking you
[00:24:46] tonight is lot of your members who are watching now are
[00:24:50] worried that some these frictions that you're talking about
[00:24:54] and you have uh decided on on this interview to
[00:24:57] downggrade those
[00:24:59] uh those crisis that those who are thinking
[00:25:01] that is major threat
[00:25:03] and it will affect the chances of your party naturally when
[00:25:07] somebody is injured or when somebody is angry he
[00:25:10] expresses himself which you allow as a party is a fundamental human
[00:25:14] right to express themselves but the people
[00:25:17] who are comfortable the don't come out to express
[00:25:21] themselves, so maybe in Karno, you have about three four people have come out to
[00:25:24] express themselves, they come on camera on tv and express that they're
[00:25:28] angry, meanwile there are millions of people, members of party in
[00:25:32] kano who don't even have any problem with what's happening and they are
[00:25:36] comfortable with the party, they're happy with the party, then you
[00:25:39] used, of course if i going
[00:25:41] to do sentiment analysis based on what you hear on tv, you feel this huge
[00:25:45] mall in canal that you cannot even move,
[00:25:53] they say the APC is under intense pressure by his
[00:25:57] own policy, and the opposition is saying Nigerians are
[00:26:00] suffering and angry, article Abubakar believes that
[00:26:04] hanger is one unifying factor the voters
[00:26:08] and they will use it as a tool against the APC,
[00:26:12] their plans is to ensure that bolatinu and the
[00:26:15] APC does not have a place in the next election and
[00:26:19] I'll be asking the national chairman the APC, whether or
[00:26:22] not their party is in trouble and
[00:26:26] 2027 election is going to be a problem for them, we
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[00:28:22] your parties campaign, we have the
[00:28:25] chairman, campaign council,
[00:28:29] let's begin for the
[00:28:31] vice chairman and myself also. vice chairman, two vice
[00:28:34] chairman, then we have the dg under us
[00:28:37] and all other people in the campaign
[00:28:41] council, as as
[00:28:43] it is now we've not inaugurated our campaign council, because there's confusion in your
[00:28:47] camp, no there's no confusion, when are you going to release the revised
[00:28:51] edition of your campaign list? no, you do
[00:28:54] um, the official list of a campaign list has been
[00:28:58] released, you can't begin to discuss about the campaign council without the council be
[00:29:01] inaugurated. as far as so the list we saw in
[00:29:04] public that was released by your party we should ignore it? no,
[00:29:08] you're not ignoring it, it's our list, so you will review it and you
[00:29:12] revis the list became the the the the list will have
[00:29:16] life only when it's not
[00:29:19] inaugurated, when you announce a committee, the committee
[00:29:23] cannot come to life without being inaugurated, so we have a list,
[00:29:27] yes, has been inaugurated, no, if
[00:29:31] if
[00:29:32] it has only uh inaugurated, it can be amended, so is it going through
[00:29:35] amendment now? of course, when are you likely to we going to
[00:29:38] reinforce the numbers where we have uh need for
[00:29:42] inclusion so that average everybody in Nigeria will look at the least and feel
[00:29:46] he has inclusion in it, that's what we are doing, one
[00:29:48] not in the list we released was wrong, no, but we want to build a more robust
[00:29:52] list that when you look it every nigerian will have feel will
[00:29:56] have belonging the least, that's what do when are you likely to release
[00:29:59] it? no, ask us, when are we
[00:30:02] going to? when are we likely going to inaugurate and give them
[00:30:06] life? when are you like next week? sir, most likely next
[00:30:09] week, next week, in the coming week, that those who argue and may be
[00:30:13] the style of your party, in the second republic, you will
[00:30:17] find out how supreme the party is, and those who say how can
[00:30:21] the candidate the party chair the campaign council and put the
[00:30:25] leadership the party benit it? now have a problem with that, this this
[00:30:29] this is difference in our party uh structure, the president the leader
[00:30:32] the party the
[00:30:34] so it places him in charge party in terms of
[00:30:37] uh management the party itself as a party leader and you
[00:30:41] default to him on all on all issues but the question is that and
[00:30:45] ask can ally support sunabu for president while
[00:30:49] supporting opponents of APC candidate elsewhere the big
[00:30:53] question is that your party seems to have assimilated
[00:30:56] rainbow coalition have you endorsed the rainbow coalition?