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[00:00:05] of
[00:00:27] of me
[00:00:35] It's October 12,
[00:00:36] of 2026, it's 28 degrees here in Lagos,
[00:00:40] good morning and welcome to your daily dose of sunshine a
[00:00:44] Monday
[00:00:57] uh dimension that we got from this uh the ND. this
[00:01:00] morning, so that wouldn't you say, I mean it was reported
[00:01:04] um yesterday that the NDLA has arrested an
[00:01:08] 83 year old woman over drugs,
[00:01:12] possession of drugs, and it leads to so many questions, I'm
[00:01:16] pretty sure you would want to say, buse the bigger question for
[00:01:19] me, is what would
[00:01:23] of it, what would inform an 83 year old
[00:01:26] woman uh being caught?
[00:01:30] metafetamine around her waist to feed
[00:01:33] you know some neighborhood drug d. there are those
[00:01:37] who would say it reveals a societal failure. criminal syndicates don't
[00:01:40] just recruit octogenans out of
[00:01:43] of respect, they exploit them as invisible
[00:01:46] of camouflage gambling that law enforcement will see a fragile
[00:01:50] matr rather than a high volume mule and
[00:01:53] relying on lenant sentencing to keep their
[00:01:57] of distribution hubs intact. i think we should find a way to
[00:02:00] insulate them because I don't know what would inform this. One
[00:02:04] of the ways that I think this can happen, I don't know what you have in mind to say
[00:02:08] about its lie, but it's first
[00:02:10] a of all we need to strip away the leverage of desperation by
[00:02:14] targeting social security for them, accessible
[00:02:18] of health care, community welfare programs and all of that.
[00:02:21] Secondly, I think law enforcement and social service agencies need to
[00:02:25] find a way to disrupt family run crime
[00:02:28] loops. at elder
[00:02:32] in exploitation within
[00:02:32] of households as both a criminal offense and
[00:02:36] critical safeguarding issue.
[00:02:46] of today, because this is not the first time we get it to see uh
[00:02:50] in octogenans or some very senior citizens being fingered by the
[00:02:54] NDLA at 83. i would imagine that life should
[00:02:58] be about rest. family, grandchildren and the
[00:03:02] stories of a long life lived, but for Mrs.
[00:03:06] in Uloma Uchechi Sunday, the headlines tell a very different
[00:03:09] story, I saw that uh on the news
[00:03:12] at 10 last night,
[00:03:13] the NDLA says the octogenarian has been
[00:03:17] re-arrested, that's why has is quite different, it's not a case
[00:03:20] of a first timer, this is
[00:03:23] of case of of
[00:03:24] a rearrest in Abbia state for alleged drug related
[00:03:27] offenses, barely guess what, year after
[00:03:31] she
[00:03:31] of and her daughter were convicted of similar offenses, and this is
[00:03:35] of not an isolated case. In August, the agency announced the
[00:03:39] arrest of a
[00:03:42] of 101-year-old great grandmother, Io for allegedly
[00:03:46] selling cannabis. In May, two men, aged
[00:03:50] of 83 and 78, they also arrested in separate drug
[00:03:53] related operations, so these cases rais some
[00:03:57] uncomfortable questions, what could... drive people in
[00:04:01] their twilight years into the illicit drug trade.
[00:04:05] is this about economic desperation of
[00:04:08] easy money or a calculated criminal enterprise that
[00:04:11] happens to involve elderly
[00:04:15] me people? and while age must never be excuse for
[00:04:18] crime, io uh, should it
[00:04:21] of change how we approach rehabilitation, which you highlighted earlier on
[00:04:25] counseling, which you also pointed out and social support,
[00:04:29] which is very... important, but if you ask me more importantly are
[00:04:33] these isolated cases or are they revealing a
[00:04:37] deeper social problem that deserves
[00:04:40] closer examination, it bits me, maybe the
[00:04:44] the deeper issue, social issue you are looking at there, sulai, is
[00:04:48] that of poverty? i can't find any other
[00:04:52] of thing rooted here,
[00:04:54] and on the one hand this has happened before, on the other hand is happening
[00:04:57] again, definitely there is lot of ' lot more deeper
[00:05:01] issues and this calls to attention not just what the federal government can
[00:05:04] do, but what the states also can contribute in
[00:05:08] ensuring that senior
[00:05:10] a citizens, especially senior citizens who... are supposed to
[00:05:13] be the the moral compass so to speak of our
[00:05:17] nation, of our various communities are caught doing
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[00:06:31] October 2026, then go display the national register of voters
[00:06:35] where they go use conduct elections for 2027. this display
[00:06:38] go help people where don't register to check to their name day for the register.
[00:06:42] and make them know their polling unit before election day. inside that period,
[00:06:46] people where register for 2025 will feed collect their pvc, people we transfer
[00:06:50] their registration, replace pvc where don't lost or damage during the first phase,
[00:06:54] we still feed collect their pvc from the INEC office way did their local government from
[00:06:58] 16th of October 2026. all the PVCs where people never
[00:07:02] collect from before before registration exercises,
[00:07:06] but still they available for collection. i like the call on everybody where registered during this
[00:07:09] period say make them waste time to collect their people.
[00:07:46] As Nigeria inches towards the 2027 general
[00:07:49] elections, the ch administration's renewed hope agenda is coming
[00:07:53] under increasing scrutiny with questions about his
[00:07:57] impact, the state the opposition and the space
[00:08:01] available for descent a democracy. Now
[00:08:04] that conversation has taken a new turn following the reported
[00:08:08] cancellation of venue booked for the presentation of a
[00:08:12] book. titled Tinov from renewed hope to
[00:08:15] despair by the center for democratic development, research and training
[00:08:19] in Zaia. Now the center alleges attempts to frustrate the
[00:08:23] launch and says it has relocated the event. Now beyond
[00:08:27] the controversy, what is the scorecard of renewed hope, what
[00:08:31] role should opposition voices play in the democracy and what
[00:08:34] do the challenges surrounding this book presentation mean for freedom of
[00:08:38] expression, as
[00:08:40] the 2027 elections approach. Now to examine these issues, we now
[00:08:44] being joined by Dr. Abubakar Siddiq Mohammed, he is executive director
[00:08:48] the Center for democratic development reset and train in
[00:08:51] Zararia. Well, Dr. Mohammed, good to see and thank you for your time, you
[00:08:55] raised concerns about possible interference with the security
[00:08:59] agencies, first let us understand the concept
[00:09:03] of that book that is to be presented
[00:09:07] to the Nigerian
[00:09:08] public, our
[00:09:12] center. is a research
[00:09:14] center, we investigate
[00:09:17] issues in Nigeria, for
[00:09:21] example, when this rural bandy
[00:09:24] started, we went to all the villages
[00:09:28] affected to interview people, to see things for
[00:09:31] ourselves. At the end the investigation, we
[00:09:35] we wrote our report and presented it publicly in
[00:09:39] Arrow House, the Guna for the... public to know that
[00:09:43] the situation is very serious, we predicted at
[00:09:47] that time that if more
[00:09:50] efforts, more efforts are not
[00:09:53] put into solving the problem, it will actually
[00:09:57] metastasize the way cancer spreads
[00:10:01] and that this
[00:10:02] the situation is very very serious, something
[00:10:05] has to be done immediately, we do that
[00:10:07] now on this
[00:10:11] book, when president was
[00:10:15] inaugurated on the podium, i'll read
[00:10:18] what he said only, i'll read what he
[00:10:21] said, he said that: "we
[00:10:25] are here to further men and heal this
[00:10:29] nation, not tear and enjoy
[00:10:32] it. he went further to say that the
[00:10:36] south must not only
[00:10:39] seek good for itself, but understand
[00:10:43] that its interest are saved when good comes
[00:10:47] to the north. now victory does
[00:10:51] not render any more Nigerian than my opponent."
[00:10:58] last year he
[00:11:00] said the west is
[00:11:03] over, i
[00:11:07] say yesterday spins are giving
[00:11:10] way to relief, that was yesterday, that
[00:11:14] was what he said last
[00:11:15] year, then as a research
[00:11:19] center we said okay, is the pain over as the president has
[00:11:22] said, we went out,
[00:11:25] investigate and the
[00:11:28] results overwelingly is
[00:11:31] that the country is in
[00:11:33] despair,
[00:11:38] poverty is on the increase, but all
[00:11:41] statistics that we we saw, we
[00:11:45] also influenced by what professor Edosian said some
[00:11:49] time back, in in his address to the Nigerian economic
[00:11:52] society, if you want know whether your
[00:11:56] economic activity, whether your economic policies are
[00:11:59] working, don't sit in the office, go to the
[00:12:02] market, follow the
[00:12:04] aliways, go around the villages, go
[00:12:08] around the towns and see the effect these
[00:12:12] policies on the people, this what we
[00:12:14] did, in fact
[00:12:17] in all the places we
[00:12:19] visited, the conditions the people we
[00:12:23] interviewed, are extremely
[00:12:27] bad, people cannot pay their
[00:12:30] hospital
[00:12:31] bills, food
[00:12:35] prices have
[00:12:36] skyrocketed, school
[00:12:39] fees have doubled since then
[00:12:43] insecurity has wasened, in fact the
[00:12:47] president is even confused, in one of his speeches he
[00:12:51] said they are overcoming
[00:12:53] uh the the security. challenges facing this
[00:12:56] country and so few months
[00:12:59] back when he sent
[00:13:03] governor to a book
[00:13:06] launch, he said the security situation is
[00:13:09] getting bad because those his enemies, those are opposed
[00:13:13] to his policies are actually encouraging
[00:13:17] it, from
[00:13:19] triphalism, he has now come to
[00:13:22] accuse his enemies. or his opponent
[00:13:26] for pomenting crisis and instigating or
[00:13:29] encouraging the insecurity in the country. now
[00:13:33] if the president knows who are
[00:13:37] encouraging this insecurity which is raveging the
[00:13:41] country, he has all the powers to
[00:13:45] get them arrested or to get them investigated, arrested and
[00:13:48] and and prosecuted. let me let me let me comment quickly here, dr. siddiq
[00:13:52] mohammed and again is... also possible without holding brief
[00:13:56] the presidency that at that point in time when he said that things will take
[00:14:00] in shape uh things may have also changed
[00:14:03] before Mr shober went for that book
[00:14:06] launch. I know that I house is
[00:14:10] not a direct equivalent to Chatham House, but they both
[00:14:13] present platforms for such debate, robust debate
[00:14:17] as you have uh
[00:14:20] intended to. With this stoppage are we
[00:14:24] witness. pattern of political intolerance i
[00:14:28] could this uh or could this particular incident have
[00:14:32] explanations that are not necessarily
[00:14:35] political? no, before before
[00:14:38] this, when we started writing this book, let tell you, there are so
[00:14:41] many things happening, small things happening across the states, but when
[00:14:45] you add them together, it gives you picture of what is happening in
[00:14:49] Nigeria, intolerance by our political
[00:14:53] leaders. "they are
[00:14:56] intolerance of any view of descenting views
[00:15:00] across the states, take the case of a girl in
[00:15:04] Sokotu who said that the
[00:15:07] security situation in the country, in the state was getting
[00:15:10] worse, that girl was arrested, humiliated
[00:15:14] and subjected to all sort of indignities. take
[00:15:18] the case
[00:15:19] of those who are opposed
[00:15:23] to. they were
[00:15:27] arrested for wearing vest saying that must
[00:15:31] go, yesterday in
[00:15:33] Cana, similar group was prevented
[00:15:37] from actually meeting now, even
[00:15:40] before we came out with this book, we those
[00:15:44] who came to our office and saw us preparing the book, told us
[00:15:48] that we will be arrested for doing it, for writing
[00:15:51] it, when we finished, those
[00:15:55] who saw it were saying, you people must be courageous, given the level of
[00:15:59] intolerance in this country today, they will either not
[00:16:03] allow you to present it or you will be
[00:16:06] arrested. We continued, we finished
[00:16:10] the book and we decided to present it to the public, and this is what we've
[00:16:14] done with all the research work, works we have
[00:16:17] done. I have mentioned the fact that when we first investigated this
[00:16:21] rural bandity in the northwest, we presented our
[00:16:24] report to the crowd to invited guests
[00:16:28] at house, in fact we invited
[00:16:32] people from all the towns we visited, all the villages we
[00:16:35] visited, we invited them to... to our house where we made the
[00:16:39] presentation so that they could say whether what
[00:16:42] we were saying was correct or not, so it has been our
[00:16:45] tradition, so when we finish this book we decided to also go back to Ariwa
[00:16:49] house and present it to invited guest,
[00:16:53] everybody is welcome, we invited all the political parties, all
[00:16:57] the political parties, we sent invitation letters to them,
[00:17:01] asking them to come so that we exchange ideas, we don't
[00:17:04] have to follow charterm house, we have our own t
[00:17:09] and and and
[00:17:09] you know Dr. Dr. Muhammed, I was almost beg your
[00:17:13] pardon, let me throw this in now that you also giving us the soc
[00:17:16] example, Nigerians would heave a side of
[00:17:20] relief and say okay, this is not about push
[00:17:23] against someone from another region, because you know how how
[00:17:27] polarized politics can make us be uh in Nigeria,
[00:17:31] but again
[00:17:32] you know your statement argues that the
[00:17:36] proper response. to criticism is
[00:17:39] engagement uh, not suppression, I'm taking you
[00:17:43] uh,
[00:17:43] you know, line by line, what would you say to those who
[00:17:47] believe that critical book launch is being
[00:17:51] turned into a political
[00:17:53] confrontation, because the
[00:17:57] government is not happy with what we've written, they have
[00:18:01] access to the book, so they want to suppress it, but they cannot do
[00:18:04] so, they can't do it, they can... only stop us
[00:18:08] from presenting it a a particular place, but we
[00:18:12] can do it by zoom, after you are giving me an interview on zoom
[00:18:16] now, we could done, we could have done it, you
[00:18:19] know, but we are a
[00:18:21] democracy, we are free
[00:18:25] to actually express our views, write
[00:18:29] and and investigate, do research and present our
[00:18:32] findings in democracy, legally we are we
[00:18:36] are allowed to do so. "our center is a research
[00:18:39] center, what do they expect us to do if you engage
[00:18:43] a research and you've come out with your find is, do you shave the
[00:18:47] report in one corner in your in your office, you present
[00:18:51] it to the public, and this is what we try to to do, in
[00:18:54] fact there is no mention of any political party in the in the
[00:18:58] book, we only look at the policies the government the
[00:19:01] day and then gave our vedit on all
[00:19:05] the promises that we've made, that's all we did. "if they think what
[00:19:09] we bring is not correct, they also have their own intellectuals, let
[00:19:12] them take us on, let us, let them engage
[00:19:16] us, show where we've gone wrong, we are intellectuals, we will accept
[00:19:20] if you are wrong, that is what intellectual exchange is
[00:19:24] all about, that's why we hold seminars, you
[00:19:28] do your research, you write your paper, you present it to your
[00:19:31] colleagues, to look at it, to critique it, to
[00:19:35] accept or reject some of your findings." That's what they should do,
[00:19:39] but they shouldn't deny us, the right to use
[00:19:42] government premises and house does not belong to
[00:19:46] one%, it belongs to the people of Nigeria, it was built with the
[00:19:50] resources of people of Nigeria, and we are, many
[00:19:54] of us are lecturers in ABU, it is a unit under
[00:19:58] university,
[00:20:00] you know, an intellectual outfit,
[00:20:04] so we are free to go there and actually present our findings, the result of
[00:20:08] our research, that's what we do, and that is what is done all over the
[00:20:11] world, we are, we are now ruled by people,
[00:20:15] you know, but especially in the northwest,
[00:20:17] you know, those appointed by president who are semilliterate, who do not
[00:20:21] accept that you can have useful
[00:20:25] intellectual engagements and and this, this is this is where it
[00:20:28] gets quite interesting, now you've just said that some people who
[00:20:32] are appointed by the presidency, he tells you that this uh, is this
[00:20:36] safe to say this? is not on president tenable that many have
[00:20:40] called a democrat because you express concern about
[00:20:44] the reported that this is happening under because he was member
[00:20:48] of absolutely. "who claim to have fought for democracy in
[00:20:52] Nigeria and under him, all democratic practices are taking root
[00:20:56] in our country, and before I bring in I, because you also expressed concern
[00:21:00] about the reported pressure on the ahmadubil
[00:21:03] university to withdraw the use of a w house, what
[00:21:07] should what should be the responsibility of a
[00:21:11] university uh, in being
[00:21:14] a part of such public event when
[00:21:18] government is being als heavily
[00:21:20] criticized, the university
[00:21:24] should protect the rights the intellectuals working in
[00:21:28] the university, even outside the university to engage in research,
[00:21:31] present their report and also debate the the
[00:21:35] the report with other intellectuals who were not part the
[00:21:39] research, that is how you you, that's how it is done to
[00:21:43] protect you, universities in
[00:21:47] Nigeria always d' the bell
[00:21:50] university until recently lagos
[00:21:53] if the abussion of intellectual
[00:21:57] activity in the 60s
[00:22:00] in,
[00:22:11] well you know it's very interesting sir that you know this
[00:22:14] conversation is coming up again and especially
[00:22:17] because as sulai said it is
[00:22:20] seeming a little, it's tendering a little closer to
[00:22:24] a question of intolerance and all of that, but the
[00:22:27] issue, i like
[00:22:30] to like us to focus on the core issue uh on
[00:22:33] the table, which is um the lived
[00:22:37] realities of nigerians, there are those who would argue and have
[00:22:40] argued that the challenge is not whether or not whatever it is that the
[00:22:44] federal government is doing, but
[00:22:46] that there is no commensurate policies or initiative from the
[00:22:50] state governments over time that they reference some people would
[00:22:54] reference what happened in 2020 when the federal government made some
[00:22:57] resources available to palliate some people some kind of
[00:23:01] pallatives and the states or some govern officials holded
[00:23:05] these things is this something that should also be considered that
[00:23:08] maybe you know there are some some initiatives
[00:23:12] yes going
[00:23:13] on in Nigeria cannot be limited to the federal government the state governments are
[00:23:17] also not doing their best at all if present tin used to
[00:23:21] say because the withdrawal of f subsidy state
[00:23:25] government have getting more money than they used to get, but
[00:23:29] go to the states, what do you see, where is this money
[00:23:33] going? every month they go to abuja and
[00:23:36] take collect federal
[00:23:40] lication, you don't see any serious tangible work in those
[00:23:44] states, and that is why in many of those states
[00:23:47] insecurity has become endemic.
[00:23:51] "they have turned the fight against insecurity to
[00:23:54] procurement, fighting insecurity is not just
[00:23:57] procurement, it depends on what you do, the people
[00:24:01] behind the procurement that the
[00:24:05] equipment that you bought, it depends upon what you do to
[00:24:09] ensure that people do are not tempted to join the bandit
[00:24:12] in the case of northwest,
[00:24:15] governors are are collecting the money and people are not seeing the
[00:24:19] benefits." "go around
[00:24:21] to our schools in
[00:24:21] the north,
[00:24:22] go to many schools in
[00:24:23] the north and see, go to the hospitals and see
[00:24:27] what and see for yourselves, look at
[00:24:29] the rows, they have collapsed in many the
[00:24:32] areas, you know hospitals don't have
[00:24:35] drugs, teachers are not properly paid
[00:24:38] in some the states, so
[00:24:42] and so
[00:24:42] the the mess is not actually uh limited to what is going
[00:24:46] on at the federal government, the corruption that we experience in this count."
[00:24:50] is at the at both the federal level and at the state
[00:24:54] level, and so you are right when you say that, we shouldn't
[00:24:58] only look at the federal government, of course we don't look at the federal government alone, we look
[00:25:02] at the states. president has to give
[00:25:05] leadership, he has to call these governors to
[00:25:08] order, after every month he releases money to
[00:25:12] them, inf
[00:25:14] some some months back he even said that they should stop building
[00:25:18] flyovers, to yola and see
[00:25:22] fly overs all over when there are no
[00:25:24] vehicles, so so
[00:25:28] there we we have leadership problem in this in this country and we have to
[00:25:31] face it squarely, the job of intellectual, the role of
[00:25:35] intellectual is look at leaders in the face and tell them that what they
[00:25:39] are doing is not good, it's not in the interest the people,
[00:25:43] and you do it with facts and figures, that is what we have been trained to do
[00:25:47] and that is what we do in our center, and that's
[00:25:50] why we take the risk of going to the field to collect data and
[00:25:54] give results, our findings and tell
[00:25:58] governments to its face that what you are doing is not enough,
[00:26:02] and this is what they don't want to hear and that is why we cannot
[00:26:06] progress in this country, many their policies are not evidence
[00:26:09] based at all, a governor wakes up, a friend of
[00:26:13] his wts some money, since got more money you can't just take like that, they
[00:26:17] create a job for him a contract a job for so that you can
[00:26:21] get contract, it is not part of any
[00:26:23] any plan, and that is what is also
[00:26:27] happening at the federal level, huge
[00:26:31] contracts are given. you ask the on what basis are these contract
[00:26:34] giving, what is it going to serve, what is it going to serve in this
[00:26:38] country? you have a plan, if you invest this
[00:26:42] money, you know what will be the what will be the effect on other sectors
[00:26:46] the economy or or part the country? they won't tell
[00:26:49] you, because these are projects that will earn them
[00:26:53] money, that's all. i was once member
[00:26:57] the national economic intelligence, i can tell you this, we used to
[00:27:01] go round. to inspect projects in this
[00:27:04] country, before we go, we will tell
[00:27:08] the ministry whose project we are going to inspect that will be
[00:27:12] going and we will give them the date or we
[00:27:15] agree on common date, we will go to the
[00:27:19] project, we found that nothing has been done
[00:27:22] done, in fact before you go there, you make sure that about half
[00:27:25] the the budget has been
[00:27:28] released, you go, nothing, nothing is...
[00:27:33] I used to tell my friends, if you don't have strong heart, don't
[00:27:36] engage in this job, well
[00:27:39] released by the federal billions have been released, but
[00:27:43] the work work has not been done, but that's one the
[00:27:46] challenges and that is abonding projects all over the
[00:27:50] country, yes, my my apologies for bting in, perhaps the
[00:27:53] challenge here uh two issues are coming uh to mind
[00:27:57] about this conversation that we are having, do you think that
[00:28:01] these governance issue? issues that you are raising now, do you
[00:28:04] think it's been looked at more as political
[00:28:08] conversation as opposed to governance
[00:28:10] realities, governance issues that
[00:28:14] should be speaking to the lived realities and lived experiences of
[00:28:17] Nigerians, it would seem like uh the some these things
[00:28:21] are being used for political, some kind of political
[00:28:25] assets, that's the problem of politicians, I
[00:28:29] am an intellectual, I am intellectual, I've been elector. for 40
[00:28:33] years, so I'm not engaged in politics, I want to play politics, I'll go and join
[00:28:36] political parties and contest for election, of course the contest for
[00:28:40] elections, we are telling them that things are very bad in the country, look
[00:28:44] at the cover the book, tell me that which is not correct, the cover the book
[00:28:48] is that we have insecurity in this country, we have uh
[00:28:52] dilapidated infrastructure, we have hunger in the country,
[00:28:56] we have higher medical bills,
[00:28:58] you know uh, the price of gari has gone up from 3,0 to
[00:29:02] 8, 500 at the time we did it, foil prices have gone up,
[00:29:05] inflation in the country, tell me what what is political about it, that is the
[00:29:09] leav reality of nigerians today, okay, mr. just a quick
[00:29:13] one, look at what is happening in Nigeria, sometimes when they
[00:29:17] even come out with policies which they defend, they cannot even implement
[00:29:21] them, look at what the president said recently, what the minister of finance
[00:29:25] said, they have reduce the price of fuelko to
[00:29:29] 1,300 or something like that, but it is going for 1 500,
[00:29:33] 1,600 in ab yesterday i was told those who went to the filling
[00:29:37] station to buy petrol as the so-called reduced price, they were asked
[00:29:40] to to download
[00:29:44] an app and pay money, danf drivers the one was asking in
[00:29:48] Euroba, what is the meaning of
[00:29:49] up, you how do you say
[00:29:53] it inf driver you asking him to download an
[00:29:57] application, an app in order to buy fool, which is
[00:30:01] not more than 20 thousand or 30 thousand, you see they come out with
[00:30:05] policies without thinking through it, they just announced
[00:30:09] it, go to NMPC filling stations and buy to buy a foil
[00:30:13] at reduced price, therefore drivers to the filling
[00:30:17] stations and then they ask uh have you downloaded an
[00:30:20] app, they did not educate people, they did not
[00:30:24] inform people, they panicked because people are
[00:30:28] saying things are getting out of control, but and so they quickly
[00:30:31] came out with what the call this palliative? it is not palliative, it
[00:30:34] deciits. this is the reality. go to the filling stations
[00:30:38] and see what is happening. this is what we do. as journalists
[00:30:42] you should also do that. we go out and find out what people are
[00:30:46] saying. are they getting the fool at the price? the government said they will
[00:30:49] get, why are they not getting