CHANNELSTV — broadcast 20261012 220000 UTC 532 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] Again, the Chief Justice of Nigeria, Justice Kuderat Kikereku has said that the [00:00:04] judiciary must [00:00:05] of remain impatial and shown partisan politics ahead [00:00:07] of the 2027 general [00:00:10] of elections. Federal High Court today struck held the charges against [00:00:14] Adini adme, the alleged fake director general [00:00:16] of the PFITC, as federal government filed fresh charges [00:00:20] against him at the FCT High [00:00:22] Court. That's [00:00:26] the news attend tonight. Thank you so much for watching, I'm Ann. Good [00:00:30] night and please stay [00:00:31] safe. [00:00:43] in [00:01:15] Hello all there, my name is Laolu [00:01:18] of Akonde and you are on two inside [00:01:21] sources, [00:01:25] today my take is entitled better late [00:01:29] of than never, the 30 day f relief [00:01:33] or is it fake rehal? last [00:01:36] Thursday, October 28, the federal government [00:01:40] through the coordinating minister for the [00:01:42] economy, announced what it carefully [00:01:46] refused to call a [00:01:48] of subsidy, a 30-day petrol price discount at [00:01:52] NMPC retail stations [00:01:54] nationwide. now NNPC retail [00:01:58] according to the plan, we forgo its profit margin [00:02:02] and sell at cost, if landing cost is [00:02:06] 1,300, you buy in those [00:02:09] stations for 1,300 [00:02:12] nar. [00:02:14] of now no draw down from the federational account, [00:02:17] they say, and it is called an independence [00:02:21] season gesture, [00:02:23] you know, just about [00:02:23] of the time that we are celebrating independence, proposed at [00:02:27] 1,350 [00:02:29] of nar landing. cost ceiling to be revealed [00:02:32] monthly, on paper they call it relief, but in [00:02:36] reality is it [00:02:39] a relieve or is it fake [00:02:42] rehazar or is it a little too [00:02:46] late? now before we sort that out, [00:02:50] let's give credit where it is [00:02:53] due, now this discount, whatever the name [00:02:57] is called did not [00:02:58] of come from s burst of empathy by the [00:03:02] tinubu administration, it came [00:03:05] because [00:03:09] it practically. on October 1st, [00:03:13] vice [00:03:13] a president, who is the presidential candidate of ADC proposed [00:03:17] caped budgetted production subsidy to sell [00:03:21] code below international price to domestic [00:03:24] refineries, including danguti and other modular [00:03:28] refineries. is running [00:03:30] of has been heat [00:03:34] sell at 10,000 [00:03:36] of if what [00:03:37] of price of is 15,000 he suggested now within [00:03:41] 7 days a government that said subsidy is gone [00:03:44] forever announced discount at cost [00:03:48] an article camp mocked like d student they [00:03:52] responded you copied my subsidy proposal [00:03:55] poorly now whether you like him or not [00:03:58] i has made the f [00:04:01] prize a 2027 presidential [00:04:05] poll question and he has first a [00:04:09] consistent reaction from the federal government so [00:04:12] clearly [00:04:13] of democracy [00:04:13] is winning second point now is this [00:04:17] last minute empathy indeed for three [00:04:21] years Nigerians have been told the [00:04:24] patient sacrifice reforms we [00:04:28] pay now On September the 30th, the [00:04:32] NLC said, we stand at the cross roads [00:04:36] of a full scale survivor crisis, [00:04:39] petrol now selling at 1,430, or [00:04:43] higher, [00:04:44] he said, and with campaigns kicking off [00:04:48] and the president himself being to start October 24 in [00:04:51] Kaduno, the government suddenly [00:04:54] discovers that NMPC can sell that cost for [00:04:58] 30 days. if you can do cost price in [00:05:02] October 2026 and 2025 when Nigerians [00:05:05] were really being crushed, we are [00:05:09] thinking that this is not a government that just... [00:05:12] realized that as the election is coming [00:05:15] closer, the suffering the people is now becoming [00:05:19] compelling. third point, too [00:05:23] little, too late and too low. [00:05:26] why? for whatever it is what and whatever it is [00:05:30] called, this discount is certainly too low and [00:05:34] likely going to be insignificant. let's do the maths [00:05:38] or arithmetic, whichever one you prefer. market price [00:05:41] is one, 430, even [00:05:45] 1,450 in some places, so NLPC [00:05:49] cost is about 1,360 to [00:05:51] 1,364, so the so call relief [00:05:55] is 66 n at best 90, [00:05:59] now that is less than 7% [00:06:01] discount for a transporter who burns [00:06:05] 30,000 n for daily, that is just about [00:06:09] 1,400 savings with that reduce the [00:06:13] fear from ojota to hodi, [00:06:16] no now, for family already crushed by food [00:06:20] inflation, what with 66 n [00:06:23] had to the price of rice, you cannot [00:06:27] offer 7% or less relief [00:06:30] after a 300% pain and [00:06:34] call it cushioning, okay, [00:06:38] now it guess what is, it's even limited only [00:06:42] to NP. retains stores, less than 50% [00:06:46] of outlets nationwide are going to be [00:06:49] affected, so what is the [00:06:51] farmer or a farmer in guzo [00:06:55] have to gain, what prevents one station from [00:06:59] causing long cus and safety hazards while [00:07:03] oters sell at [00:07:04] 1,430. now one thing is [00:07:08] clear in all of this, like i said earlier, democracy [00:07:12] at least is winning, now this is my last and fourth [00:07:15] point, the big elephant in the room is corruption, federal [00:07:19] government says no return to subsidy, opposition says our subsidy [00:07:23] is different, production not importation, but none [00:07:27] them is saying that we will jail those who bled [00:07:30] subsidy for 20 years and make our refineries [00:07:34] work, either them and saying that, and this [00:07:38] is why the... [00:07:43] comes, he says that our four refineries [00:07:47] are barely 50 years old and refineries in the [00:07:50] US for instance, are over 100 years and still [00:07:54] working, he argus, fix [00:07:57] them, license 36 modular [00:08:01] refineries, restore the 45000 barrels [00:08:04] per day domestic allocation for crude [00:08:07] even promised to make the price [00:08:11] 200 n. per liter in 12 months, [00:08:15] now you may call the 200 populist and we can [00:08:18] debate the details of that idea, but [00:08:22] advious diagnosis is correct, we are [00:08:26] crude producing nation that has refused to [00:08:29] refine at home for a long time up until [00:08:33] dangote refinery came on board lately, so [00:08:37] be the table people or the article opposition, the [00:08:40] narrative ignores corruption, on both sides the [00:08:43] debate. Nigerians, shine your [00:08:47] eyes, like they say on the street. Buari was [00:08:50] right and is still right. If we don't kill [00:08:54] corruption, corruption will kill us. It has created [00:08:58] many things, especially in the oil and gas [00:09:02] sector. So let's say it again, if we don't kill corruption, especially [00:09:06] in that sector, corruption is going to kill us, may that day [00:09:10] never come, and there you have it in. inside sources goes full [00:09:13] blast right after [00:09:15] this. welcome back [00:09:19] to inside sources, today i'm leading the show with the conversation uh with my [00:09:23] very good friend who has become the spokesperson the main [00:09:26] opposition uh is the presidential spokes [00:09:30] person for the articu abubakar campaign a lawyer [00:09:33] and uh a leading nollywood actor. i like [00:09:37] to welcome back to inside sources mr. ken Okonko. good to see you [00:09:41] again all the way. All right, thank you [00:09:45] viewers for joining us, all right, excellent, you're looking [00:09:48] excellent, well, I'm trying my best, the [00:09:52] last time I said, because the hair is no longer [00:09:56] growing, you you started [00:09:57] growing, [00:10:05] somewhere, so so let me you have been uh uh, your [00:10:09] campaign and that on the government is is... is becoming really, [00:10:13] really uh exciting, in my take today, I actually [00:10:17] gave the credit to Abubakar for [00:10:21] turning the subsidy matter into an electoral issue. [00:10:25] and it's good for democracy, but I want to start with your [00:10:29] own uh response to what it [00:10:33] is that uh the coordinating minister the economy said [00:10:36] you know on Thursdays [00:10:37] he said that hey look we are going to uh make sure that [00:10:41] there is this discount we're going to put a ceiling NMPC is going [00:10:45] to be selling at cost uh and they said very clearly that this [00:10:49] is not a subsidy how do you respond to that [00:10:51] again you know he hurts [00:10:55] me because when i saw [00:10:59] honorable or doctor tae woedele [00:11:03] i hope i got his name correctly when [00:11:07] he was the tax [00:11:09] you know reform [00:11:12] personality i liked [00:11:14] him because he appeared smart you i like [00:11:18] smart man you smart actually you know [00:11:21] you don't think so anymore now my problem [00:11:25] is that I feared that if he [00:11:27] is incorporated into the government, APC will poison him [00:11:31] with the allies, [00:11:34] remember wole edun was sacked because he did [00:11:38] not told the lie of tinubu [00:11:42] once came and declared that by August he has gotten all the [00:11:46] revenue that they projected, whale do came and [00:11:49] say sorry, it it's just [00:11:52] 25% the revenue. was talking about this sector [00:11:56] or this sector and from that day I knew his days we are [00:12:00] numbered, there is no way you can ser or [00:12:04] APC government without being a liar, [00:12:07] now they use to replace wale [00:12:11] edun and then wale [00:12:15] beeni, [00:12:18] now tao has now started lying like [00:12:22] them, can you imagine? coming out to [00:12:25] say that you're giving a [00:12:27] discount for 30 [00:12:30] days, you acknowledge that the price was [00:12:34] 1,500ira, but you're going to cap it at [00:12:37] 1,350, 50, which is the [00:12:41] cost, landing cost, good, now what [00:12:44] is subsidy? subsidy is [00:12:47] defined as a financial [00:12:51] aid or support typically provide. [00:12:55] by a government or organization and [00:12:59] giving to an individual or [00:13:02] business or [00:13:03] institution or [00:13:06] industry to reduce cost or [00:13:10] promote social or promote social [00:13:14] or economic goals, now what we are the [00:13:18] trying to [00:13:20] do, they were trying to reduce cost, they acknowledged by [00:13:23] themselves that the cost. was becoming unbearable for the people and they [00:13:27] have [00:13:28] to interven to give relief for the people, and they say it's [00:13:32] not subsidy, then the whole idea of subsidy has to be [00:13:34] redefined, because what he did [00:13:38] is exactly the definition of subsidy, and [00:13:42] now and do you why they did it to cover [00:13:45] their shame, because they have repeatedly said that they will never bring [00:13:49] subsidy, and even pleaded with [00:13:53] them, don't bother. take my idea redem [00:13:57] it by whatever name for the [00:14:01] benefit the welfare the people because your price [00:14:04] is becoming unsustainable so sorry to say [00:14:08] this lied when he said it was not [00:14:12] subsidy it was subsidy but just [00:14:15] like article said in the examination when [00:14:19] you're copying the answer of your fellow classmate you [00:14:23] will always copy even the what you should not copy, you're not [00:14:26] careful, you copy the examination number of that your classmate [00:14:30] and put on your you for the and good, so they are [00:14:34] copying it and because they want to hide [00:14:37] that, they are not doing it, they are making a mess of it, and let me point out [00:14:41] this, have you noticed the danger in their own [00:14:45] properted subsidy, they want to return to the corrupt [00:14:48] import related subsidy that they were operating, [00:14:52] how NMPC is not producing any? 1 l of refined foil in [00:14:56] Nigeria, okay, so the price that are reducing is the price of [00:15:00] imported fuel by NMPC, because [00:15:03] NPC is not taken from Dangoting at all, [00:15:07] and they want to reintroduce the corrupt [00:15:10] subsidy that they were operating. If [00:15:14] you listen to Tairo, Thaiwo said, once you [00:15:18] go into that subsidy, you will see people now, when it is 50 [00:15:22] million liter, they will say 70 million liter. 'm and that [00:15:26] is the subsidy they want to go in now to start [00:15:29] saying that whatever cost they give to NMPC though [00:15:33] NMPC they will tell you the profit they would have made is trillions of n [00:15:37] is that'. different from articules home subsidy, thank you very [00:15:39] much, and before I get into that, [00:15:43] okay, when you do that import related subsidy, you are now [00:15:47] subsidizing the refinery outside the country that is producing [00:15:51] it, you are now subsidizing employment [00:15:54] overseas, you are now encouraging the shipping that will [00:15:58] bring in the refined product, and most [00:16:01] probably [00:16:02] it is still the shipping that took our crude to that refinery [00:16:06] and is bringing i back and is part of what is contributing to [00:16:10] the cost, high cost of f, why do [00:16:14] you not just give the crew direct to dangote, [00:16:18] and dangote will refine it and give direct to nigerians, they said they [00:16:22] don't have enough, no, which is a problem that you guys have to deal [00:16:25] with, that's looking at it, they pledged, no, they pledged the crud [00:16:29] to borrow, where do you think they are [00:16:32] borrowing, but it's not only them, that has been a problem for [00:16:36] a time, you know, [00:16:39] do when they came in, they exited the depth and they were paying [00:16:43] subsidy, that is what article is going to do, it's tough [00:16:46] now, okay, anyway, tell us the difference, the [00:16:50] difference is very clear your both plans, yeah, has made it clear he's [00:16:54] not going to subsidize any imported [00:16:56] fuel, so returning back [00:17:00] to the import related subsidy riddled with [00:17:04] corruption, apc corruption is [00:17:07] gone: what are saying? so so the [00:17:11] rumor, since you are here, let's try it, so the [00:17:15] rumor that articu wants to bring the subsidy [00:17:18] because uh, he's trying to get the [00:17:21] funding of uh, [00:17:23] you know subsidy people, contractors who [00:17:27] have been [00:17:28] you know benefiting from subsidy to finance his uh [00:17:31] his campaign, so that when he gets there if he wins, [00:17:35] they will then [00:17:37] do the... [00:17:38] uh uh uh the subsidy return make the money back, so that rumor is not [00:17:42] true, is it doesn't even make sense, because that was [00:17:46] that was the boss, that [00:17:47] is what i'm saying, article has nothing to do with import related [00:17:51] subsidy whatsoever, why are you talking about [00:17:54] is only tunubu and APC that will still be talking [00:17:58] about that, because they are the ones who need that corrupt money for their renewed [00:18:02] hope campaign, you can see they are still borrowing, even as I'm talking [00:18:06] to you, they are negotiating 1. billion dollars anyway complete your [00:18:10] thought said the [00:18:13] paradigm has shifted. we are [00:18:17] no longer an importing nation in oil, [00:18:21] we are now an exporting nation because we have our [00:18:24] refinery. dangote [00:18:27] is producing and has assured he can produce all the domestic need [00:18:31] of dinger. he said he needs about [00:18:35] 700 thous barrels. of lp he's [00:18:38] getting about 20% mm locally so he's still [00:18:42] sourcing about so [00:18:45] what he's getting 20 something [00:18:49] perc is nothing so he's still importing about [00:18:53] 500 thousand barrels per [00:18:56] day that was why i said that even if that [00:19:00] starts working we will not get our fuel [00:19:03] cheap because he imports the crude crude. which is [00:19:07] subject to the vegeries of international prizes, he does [00:19:11] not have power, there's no electricity, he makes [00:19:15] independent provision for that, he does not have security, [00:19:18] so he makes independent security for [00:19:21] his staff and for his equipment, the interest rate is [00:19:24] high, it borrows at about [00:19:27] 30% or more, when you check all those [00:19:31] things, the cost of producing [00:19:35] the barrel in the first place, about $30, but you guys can change [00:19:39] this, this [00:19:43] tell you in case, you can't change all these [00:19:47] things that you mentioned, look at what article [00:19:51] will do, assuming with that [00:19:54] considering that borrowed all this [00:19:57] money for instance to exit us from [00:20:01] the liability that was placed on crude oil, we [00:20:05] wouldn't have been owing anything. extra does he have that [00:20:08] option? no, so you're saying that the four says should be paid off, [00:20:12] nobody, nobody will compel you on how you will pay your [00:20:16] debts, it depends on the agreement, no, whatever is the agreement, you can exit, [00:20:20] if i'm owing you $3,000, yeah, if i'm owing you [00:20:24] $3 billion dollars, yeah, based on my oil, yeah, [00:20:28] why [00:20:28] did i enter in the agreement, because needed, you needed dollars, [00:20:32] good, yeah, so if i say i'm giving you your $3 billion dollars, you will say no, but [00:20:36] first of all, Good, so so what I'm trying to tell you, [00:20:39] assuming that has the milk of human [00:20:42] kindness, and what is borrowing he [00:20:46] borrowed to exit us from what? is [00:20:50] alien on our own oil, crude [00:20:53] oil, in order that we can use the crude oil the way we [00:20:57] want, we wouldn't have been owing anything more, there won't be any increase in [00:21:01] liability, because if i'm owing you [00:21:04] 100 n and peter, i [00:21:08] borrow 100 from peter to pay you, [00:21:12] i am still in 100, yeah, i have not increased the depth, so [00:21:15] exiting your depth is not a [00:21:18] problem, provided you [00:21:21] know how to cut your cost of governance, the [00:21:25] problem in Nigeria is the bogus [00:21:29] governance cost of governance that tinubu is [00:21:33] applying a poor and distressed economy, he has 48 [00:21:36] ministers, nobody has had it before, so given any [00:21:40] indication of how he [00:21:41] is going to cut government, he has told he is going to is going [00:21:44] implement [00:21:45] report, [00:21:52] was vice president and in his regime they cut cost [00:21:56] of governors in his regime they pay subsidy in his regime the [00:21:59] exitted international death do you learn how to be left-handed in your old [00:22:03] age? no you don't this is his [00:22:06] antecedent and he was the head the economic team you have therapy [00:22:10] good so don't so [00:22:14] subsidy is very simple all right so good [00:22:17] right to dangote and and the local [00:22:21] refineries and supply to them at [00:22:24] affordable price. yeah, well so so good is our product. wait, [00:22:28] wait, wait, wait, just so we interrogate it, so so day to [00:22:32] the people have done that for a bit when you are doing the n [00:22:35] fall uh, no, they have not done that, they handed [00:22:39] it, but this the major problem seems to be, [00:22:42] yes, we don't have that [00:22:46] crude enough to give local refineries, all right? [00:22:50] so how how how how does the article plan respond [00:22:53] to that? we don't how lot of people a lot of people who are not [00:22:57] economically you know sound or who are [00:23:01] mischiviously misplying economics they [00:23:05] said the 1.8 million barrels is not for [00:23:08] us only that is [00:23:10] there a jv that what we are [00:23:12] getting [00:23:15] explain now the jv is interested in their money [00:23:19] yes? so if you give them money, what else? what do you mean money? what i'm [00:23:23] saying is that if the price of oil, yes is [00:23:26] settled at certain dollar per barrel, yes internet [00:23:30] and good, and you pay them, would they say they will not sell to you, the [00:23:34] government, they must sell to a company outside when you are, so [00:23:38] you are saying that that we can buy from them, absolutely, that is [00:23:42] that subsidy article is telling you, i see, so [00:23:46] the jv cannot insist, we are producing 1.8 million. [00:23:57] what you said for clarity so that you can tell me that is what you you you're [00:24:00] saying or not good you know uh because I find it quite [00:24:04] uh uh insightful so that's why I want to clarify to be sure this is what you're saying [00:24:08] yes so you're saying that the way the [00:24:12] article plan is going to solve the problem [00:24:14] of uh not enough domestic crew to [00:24:18] give the refineries. [00:24:21] is to say that, okay, look, we want to take [00:24:24] from the portion the [00:24:27] jvc if we need to, oh well, apparently we do, that's [00:24:31] what i'm saying, if we need to, yeah, yeah, because because [00:24:35] apparently [00:24:36] we do, that's what i'm saying, if we [00:24:37] need to, [00:24:39] that's what i understand, that we will then, we [00:24:43] will now ask [00:24:44] the jvc to say that, look, sell to [00:24:46] us that could, you know, [00:24:50] instead of selling it internationally, that's what I'm saying, [00:24:54] whatever must satisfy the domestic [00:24:57] market, you must sell to [00:25:01] the domestic market, but it will be as international price, [00:25:04] remember are you going means that Nigeria [00:25:08] is good, a partner to it, almost like 50/50, yeah, well [00:25:12] 60-40 here and [00:25:13] there, yeah, good, so what it means is that Nigeria has [00:25:17] its own share, yes, which is not [00:25:20] enough, that is what I'm saying, so whatever is remaining, [00:25:24] Nigeria has the right to say we can buy this, okay, and supply, that's the subsidy we are [00:25:28] talking about, but if if it means discounting [00:25:32] it, [00:25:33] but but I'm saying that you will get you will buy it and are you going to impose the price on on the [00:25:37] genesis, now even if you buy it at international [00:25:40] price and supply to the refineries, yeah they will [00:25:44] still give you fuel a cheap rate, because there will be no [00:25:48] shipping that they will. [00:25:50] that that is part of your own subsidy, that is what I am telling you, [00:25:54] okay, that we must get [00:25:56] our oil good, because the our [00:26:00] production capacity pay a... [00:26:02] pay pay days 1.8 million, but where are you going to get the money to [00:26:06] pay the JVCs and that is exactly [00:26:09] what because you [00:26:09] have to pay them in dollars done? tinubu granted 34 [00:26:13] trillion naira 2025 loan [00:26:16] on import weaver, so [00:26:20] assuming you say no, reduce your imports [00:26:24] and import only the things that are important, [00:26:27] stop [00:26:30] person. [00:26:34] is not assumption, i've told you that cost of [00:26:36] governance, the priority is [00:26:40] making fuel affordable, so every other thing we are [00:26:44] spending will be secondary, will be secondary, okay, and i'm [00:26:48] telling you that there are a lot of things th is [00:26:51] doing, which is skewed towards [00:26:55] giving subsidy to the rich to the privileged, [00:26:58] remove it, and you have already double the money. [00:27:02] Okay, all right, I want [00:27:04] you to for the consequential, remember, [00:27:06] consequential adjustment [00:27:10] in the price of good, I understand, understand, [00:27:13] yeah, and it's good that, so so I'm sure that our [00:27:17] audience understand this better now, now, but the other issue that I [00:27:21] want you to also address on Friday uh, my guest [00:27:25] was Prince Adibayo, [00:27:29] the SDP presidential candidate, and this... [00:27:32] said that look the the the refineries [00:27:36] our the public refineries the refineries in cadun [00:27:40] uh the two important and worry he [00:27:43] says they can work, he he [00:27:47] implied [00:27:48] that the reason why they have not worked is because the government the day does not want it to [00:27:52] work so he said and [00:27:56] you know and this is one point that i have also said and you this is going to lead my [00:27:59] question that is just a question of corruption that they're not [00:28:03] allowing it to work, of course [00:28:04] he said that is going to make it at, it's going to make sure that the fair price comes to [00:28:08] 200, by ensuring that this the oil theft you [00:28:12] know uh is taken care of and then what is being storing is going to be [00:28:16] directed to domestic crew so everybody is looking at domestic group which is a good [00:28:20] thing, but my question uh ken is that what is [00:28:24] articu going to do about the corruption that [00:28:27] has happened in the oil sector especially [00:28:31] specifically regarding uh the subsidy, [00:28:33] you know, not just that is going to, he says he's going to end it, [00:28:37] his article going to impose consequences for the [00:28:41] past cities can, good, first of [00:28:45] all, let me agree withole [00:28:49] that it is corruption that crippled the oil [00:28:52] industry, i [00:28:55] themly told bewildered [00:28:58] nation on the floor the senate, there is [00:29:02] 210 trillion unaccounted for by [00:29:05] NMPC, as matter of fact, they [00:29:09] issued the bedge warrant for the [00:29:13] previous MD of NMPC, alive for [00:29:16] dead, this is [00:29:18] so moles own statement, and in the general senate, the [00:29:22] senator senate made him to [00:29:25] withdraw the bench warrant, i want you to [00:29:29] know when corruption is systemic, [00:29:33] sorry, can you imagine that tinubu's [00:29:37] government has invested [00:29:41] more than 1.5 billion dollars [00:29:45] and $3 billion dollars if you go back to buhari's [00:29:48] regime and the defineries did not work [00:29:52] and they are not working and you think is not enough [00:29:56] to probe what i [00:30:00] saying? moved subsidy first time, told [00:30:04] him, reverse it, because your refineries are all [00:30:07] dead, so you cannot remove subsidy when you are importing [00:30:11] 100% to Nigeria, [00:30:14] and the currency, your currency is not [00:30:17] strong, and everything is subject to the dollars, that [00:30:21] this will be unsustainable, so what is happening [00:30:25] now today is that adole [00:30:29] is right, the refineries must work. [00:30:33] because i remember told then that when you remove ser is when all the [00:30:36] refineries are working so that you be sure that the [00:30:40] local production has started operating [00:30:44] and they are competing, i said don't do it without [00:30:47] competition, two things i recommended, let the [00:30:51] be the refineries all be working so that you saturate the system with [00:30:55] supply and remove monopoly yeah if you [00:30:59] check now we are