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[00:00:00] It's like that, an 18-year-old girl receives her
[00:00:04] boyfriend of the same age,
[00:00:08] what's the girl's name, the last name is Castro, Camila Castro, Camila
[00:00:11] Castro, she goes to the guy, he has her dropped off in a
[00:00:14] vehicle, she gets out with a gun, kills the
[00:00:17] girl, the father tries to get in the middle, receives
[00:00:21] two shots, apparently it's a problem of the relationship
[00:00:27] rape you, they cut you, they kidnap you, they he had with his, well, with his girlfriend this guy. Transferred to the
[00:00:30] hospital, she just died. How
[00:00:33] bad we are, how bad we are, clearly we are
[00:00:37] very bad, and everyone armed, right eh, and everyone armed,
[00:00:41] well, Ochi was heard just now talking about where
[00:00:44] so many weapons come from, well, it's
[00:00:47] intensely full, it's full, in fact, yesterday we were talking about it, guys, in a security
[00:00:50] company, private security guards are given
[00:00:52] Gonzalo that you met her homemade shotguns to defend themselves with, homemade
[00:00:56] shotguns, eh, that is, weapons are everywhere.
[00:01:00] That is known, that is known, well, but
[00:01:03] unfortunately, Tomás, this is how things are
[00:01:05] going, and I don't see a better or improving forecast, that
[00:01:09] is the reality. What is known about the
[00:01:13] murderer? No, the murderer of the murderer is
[00:01:16] on the run, Lucas just told me, of course,
[00:01:20] he ran away on top of that, he wanted to leave
[00:01:22] in a car, the guy gets out armed, he goes to the car,
[00:01:26] kills, the father can lose his life
[00:01:28] now. Yes, we are minute by minute, of course, exactly,
[00:01:32] the mobile unit is going to the place, it is not known if they are not two
[00:01:35] crimes, eh, well, incredible and the guy leaves, if Lucas just told
[00:01:39] me, well, I also saw them eh, he shoots her in the neck, right
[00:01:43] the girlfriend in the middle of an argument when the father logically, like
[00:01:46] any other father,
[00:01:48] clear, what intervenes, it's a premeditated crime, it's a premeditated
[00:01:50] crime, I mean, I don't think it is because if he goes with the weapon, no,
[00:01:54] that's why I was going to ask the police no, of course, ah,
[00:01:58] ah, no, the profile, I mean, why was he with a weapon?
[00:02:01] We don't know, he would be with a weapon, we don't know, now the girl is 18 years old, his age is not
[00:02:04] known, his age is not known, no, no, ah, there it is, well, this just happened,
[00:02:08] no, it was
[00:02:11] eh, this is happening now, yes, now,
[00:02:13] now, the mobile unit is picking up signals, so
[00:02:17] we'll have everything a little clearer, what is confirmed is that, eh, the girl
[00:02:21] died, a shot in the neck, how crazy, no neck,
[00:02:25] the father knows about the shots, the shots, but I don't know, he
[00:02:28] tried to intervene. the father, as any
[00:02:32] father would do, right? And the area is an area where there might be
[00:02:35] cameras, eh, there will be something to see the
[00:02:38] escape, where will it lead? We don't know, we don't know
[00:02:42] if we don't know which one, we don't know if there are cameras, it's yours that yes, in the
[00:02:46] grandmother, that is, almost all the neighborhoods, crimes are being elucidated
[00:02:50] based on private security
[00:02:51] the insecurity incidents in cameras on the legs. there are as many weapons as there are cameras, it's
[00:02:54] true, no, no, no, eh,
[00:02:58] there are very humble neighborhoods, I know a very humble neighborhood and I walk there and everyone has
[00:03:02] cameras today and everyone has weapons, everyone,
[00:03:05] unfortunately, a lot of illegal weapons, but not
[00:03:08] to commit crimes, eh, to defend themselves, to defend themselves, it's much easier
[00:03:12] the other, what happened with to get today, unfortunately, unfortunately,
[00:03:16] shoots you casually in the head, in people, eh, they Well, well, let's calm down and start get it and they use it for defense, not to go out
[00:03:20] and commit crimes and all that. How much can a weapon cost? It's
[00:03:23] relative, Tomi, legal or illegal, depending on how
[00:03:27] the weapon is, if it comes with noise, if it's very hot.
[00:03:30] according to the family,
[00:03:41] In any emergency neighborhood or any place where you know there's movement
[00:03:45] there, with two sticks, a weapon, a nice
[00:03:49] weapon, but it's relative, it's not like there's a
[00:03:52] tariff, it's not
[00:03:55] tariffed, you can pay 100 thousand pesos for it, some guy will
[00:03:58] give it to you, as someone will want to
[00:04:02] charge you $500, it's
[00:04:05] relative. If I lived in a neighborhood
[00:04:08] like the one we are seeing and the neighborhoods we are seeing,
[00:04:11] I would have, I would have my weapon, yes, clearly you would be
[00:04:15] armed, yes, but legally, I mean, the truth is that no, maybe
[00:04:18] not, why not, maybe not illegally, it's not good because you have to
[00:04:21] do
[00:04:23] everything.
[00:04:27] You have to have time and it's good, a
[00:04:30] preparation and money, preparation and money, beyond, yes, no, beyond
[00:04:34] no, you have to have a shooting instructor, well, but if you
[00:04:37] want to have a legal
[00:04:39] weapon, you have to see, it's like everything in life,
[00:04:43] eh, if you buy a car, you want to
[00:04:47] use it and you use it to get the hang of it, to find its
[00:04:50] quirks, to know a weapon, it's the same, you every weekend
[00:04:56] Three shots at the scene, two for the man, two for the victim's father, one for her in the neck, which compromised the artery. He is a fugitive, according to the information we have, they are working on the search because he would be in the area and, well, as you were telling us earlier, the prosecutor is working at the scene of the events and ordered the journalistic media to withdraw. I think it's a serious error because there is freedom of the press and nothing is being shown that could hinder the investigation. It exceeds his scope of competence to remove the press, I don't know under what regulation or code he is protected. He has no authority to remove the press, well. or one day a week, you have to go to the shooting range, know what you have, why? Because I...
[00:05:00] recommend having a weapon without knowing how to use it, no, no, clear, clear, and without knowing
[00:05:03] how to use it,
[00:05:06] no, no, in a moment of prior and subsequent traceability in stress,
[00:05:09] you understand, it's not the same to have a weapon stored in a
[00:05:12] polygon than under stress having to
[00:05:15] react, for me it's a terrible idea anyway, eh, for me it's a terrible
[00:05:18] idea because the thieves come warmed up, they know what they're going for and
[00:05:22] they always catch you off guard, well, unless
[00:05:25] you're in a public place, but if you're in your house, you're
[00:05:28] off guard, you're off guard with the weapon, old man, the guys arrive,
[00:05:32] guys, yes, okay, but a weapon, a weapon is not that, let's see, if they catch you without a weapon
[00:05:36] inside, eh, they also kill you, they
[00:05:39] grab you, they hit you, it's the same, really.
[00:05:45] We're picking up a signal, we're working, and
[00:05:48] it's very important not to talk to the neighbors, to try to reconstruct
[00:05:52] who the killer
[00:05:54] is, and if we can put the blurred image, even if it's blurred, because it's
[00:05:57] being no, what I, I wanted to tell you something,
[00:06:01] the mobile unit is already working, eh, I don't know
[00:06:04] where we're going to end up, what Diego said about the grandmother worries me, sorry, what
[00:06:08] is this, guys, we are going to the worst place, yes,
[00:06:12] we are not flatlining, we are going to a worse place, well,
[00:06:16] perfect, I'm going to be honest with you, now there was a
[00:06:19] moment of anguish that I went through with my family, they gave me a weapon,
[00:06:23] I didn't have time to legalize it or anything, and I used it for three months,
[00:06:26] guys, I have to tell you with all sincerity, so I can't
[00:06:30] recommend it, you had it on you, I had it on me in the car, everywhere,
[00:06:33] everywhere I went, and with a bulletproof vest too,
[00:06:36] so I say this, eh, unfortunately, when one
[00:06:39] is pressured and feels that their life is so precious and
[00:06:43] that of their family, well, we do what we have to do, I paid
[00:06:47] for it legally, they didn't give it to me legally, the next day a lawyer came, he
[00:06:51] told me, "Dude, did you feel safer?" But absolutely, there was no
[00:06:54] possibility, what are you going to go out like that, to what? To get killed, no
[00:06:58] dad, neither you nor your family, I always say the same thing, Tomás, eh, the
[00:07:01] state owes me security,
[00:07:04] if the state cannot guarantee it, I have to defend myself, and of course, unfortunately, I
[00:07:08] asked for it legally, eh, I asked for it legally in front of a national
[00:07:11] security minister, a... judge, a prosecutor, eh, they didn't
[00:07:14] give it to me, that's it, guys, look, I always say the same thing, if
[00:07:17] you've seen that there is a slogan that is good, eh, eh,
[00:07:21] democracy is defended with any type of weapon and in any
[00:07:25] circumstance, democracy is defended, imagine my life, of course,
[00:07:29] that's why, I took care of the bulletproof vest in
[00:07:32] another country, we passed it, we passed it for my family, the vest,
[00:07:36] boom, and under my clothes I went with the vest, thin vest,
[00:07:39] eh, and well, I had the weapon, I mean, I'm
[00:07:42] not going to get into your reality, I wasn't in your shoes or anything, maybe if I had
[00:07:46] been, I would have done the same, now do you think that if they
[00:07:50] want to kill you, they won't kill you, eh, eh, it would cost them
[00:07:52] a lot,
[00:07:55] it would cost them a lot, if the guy wants to get you, I say because my old man was also
[00:07:59] re-threatened in Rio de Janeiro, thousands of investigations he has done by
[00:08:02] drug traffickers, police, he used to say, the day they want to
[00:08:06] kill me, they will, it's not clear, but let it not be so easy, the fight is not
[00:08:10] equal, today, today it's unequal, guys. The thing is, if
[00:08:13] you tell me about drug trafficking or you tell me
[00:08:16] about real organized crime gangs,
[00:08:20] they won't kill you for a triviality, yes,
[00:08:23] unfortunately today any jerk has a weapon in his waistband and
[00:08:28] the leg, in the groin, anywhere, it doesn't matter, but it's casual,
[00:08:31] not a hitman during a robbery, a hitman will kill you because he knows how to do it and knows
[00:08:35] how to do it because today today it's casual, it's for the drugs, for
[00:08:39] the motorcycle, for the cell phone.
[00:08:42] it was because he was good, well, yes, it's clear, but, but at least let
[00:08:46] it cost, eh, let's say, don't let them take your life for no reason, and Nahuel just said it
[00:08:49] perfectly, if the state doesn't guarantee your
[00:08:53] security when you asked for it, well, perfectly you
[00:08:56] have to do what you can, the state is disconnected from reality,
[00:09:00] it doesn't have to go further, the judge who suspended the juvenile criminal regime as if the kids didn't
[00:09:04] go
[00:09:07] What I ask the governor and the mayors is to live in Ituzaingó, not in
[00:09:10] Puerto Madero, you understand, because it's easy to govern in a city where you live
[00:09:14] afterwards in Puerto Madero, well, guys, to the governor, the
[00:09:17] mayor, and the president who quickly transformed into a caste, I
[00:09:21] ask them that, go live there, guys, yes, it's
[00:09:24] true, no, let's see, let's see, let's see, they are censoring Crónica, let's see, what
[00:09:28] happened, it's a public road, this, black, you, go, yes, yes,
[00:09:31] here the police are asking me now live for the
[00:09:34] phone, public,
[00:09:37] freedom of information, the right
[00:09:40] to inform.
[00:10:12] Let the press work,
[00:10:16] it's a public road, we can film,
[00:10:20] it's a public road and we're live on Crónica, the show is called Tierra
[00:10:25] there is no obstruction of justice, therefore de Nadie. I want to know who is the person, let's see who is the one, or
[00:10:27] at least let him come and tell you, I am Commissioner so-and-so, I have
[00:10:31] orders from so-and-so,
[00:10:32] and
[00:10:36] he is the
[00:10:36] responsible
[00:10:41] for the task, ask him what we are hindering, what needs to be
[00:10:44] preserved if the killer is
[00:10:47] on the run,
[00:10:50] he does not have to ask him to lower the
[00:10:52] camera. We are, we are working
[00:10:56] also, yes, he can get off the public
[00:10:59] road, why doesn't he want us to film? And
[00:11:02] what would be the reason? Scientific is working, he cannot be
[00:11:05] filming while scientific is working. How can I not be
[00:11:09] filming? Who is speaking there?
[00:11:12] No problem if you can, let's see who is the person, who is it? What
[00:11:16] is there? A commissioner, a sub-commissioner, let's see who he is, sub-commissioner,
[00:11:19] no, guys, it's not
[00:11:22] like that, commissioner. Well, let's
[00:11:25] see, I directly ask General Villard, Villard,
[00:11:28] to see if he's watching TV, that the press
[00:11:32] personnel are working,
[00:11:34] General,
[00:11:36] many commissioners cannot deprive the press, we are respecting the
[00:11:40] perimeter, it is being filmed, master, we are live, with how sensitive they are, we have to see the
[00:11:44] statistics of femicides in Argentina, not to show it, perhaps the best
[00:11:47] thing is not to show it, not to cover that in Argentina there is
[00:11:51] a record of femicides, it
[00:11:54] is not a scourge. Femicide, eh, I believe that if we go before a judge, he
[00:11:57] will consider that we have every right and
[00:12:00] duty to report what is a social scourge, especially
[00:12:04] since instead of removing the press, they should be looking for the murderer
[00:12:08] who is on the run and ran away, he ran away without
[00:12:11] even support, so please instead of four
[00:12:15] police officers to blind a mobile unit because they even put the high beams
[00:12:19] in front of him so he doesn't film, well, do what you have to do, that's what, let's see,
[00:12:23] I think we're very wrong. Ituzaingó is full of criminals and gunshots every day
[00:12:27] and what bothers them is the press, why
[00:12:31] don't we have a plebiscite in Ituzaingó to see what people think of the press and the
[00:12:34] police and
[00:12:36] crime?
[00:12:40] Fernando, you don't put down your cell phone under any circumstances, you're on
[00:12:44] air, you're live, no one can make
[00:12:46] you put down your cell phone, yes, there's something
[00:12:50] called freedom of the press, period, there's not much to
[00:12:53] discuss.
[00:13:07] I repeat, eh, in front of a social
[00:13:10] scourge that is the record of
[00:13:13] femicides in Argentina, let's
[00:13:16] see,
[00:13:20] that's what they don't want us to show, no, the neighbors
[00:13:23] complaining. Security, no, eh,
[00:13:26] Fer, go to the mobile unit, the mobile unit is already there, so go out with an open
[00:13:30] camera.
[00:13:35] Yes, yes, yes, we're already here.
[00:13:39] reconstructing the story, that's it, we've gotten rid of
[00:13:42] these incompetents, eh, who I don't
[00:13:46] know what they really want to cover up, eh, because it's like trying to cover the sun with your hand, no, but
[00:13:49] the big problem with many police officers is that they still think they live
[00:13:53] in a dictatorship. Yes, that they are in a dictatorship
[00:13:57] and unfortunately for them, it's over,
[00:14:00] master. The press is working live, it does not
[00:14:04] hinder the procedure because the
[00:14:07] procedure would be to go look for the one who did this, not to
[00:14:10] remove the journalist, here is the problem, eh, he is not in the Crónica
[00:14:14] mobile unit. This girl lost her life
[00:14:18] at the hands of this
[00:14:21] criminal, not who would be the killer, here he is.
[00:14:25] daughter, I understand that he would be the alleged
[00:14:29] femicide, the real one would be the alleged femicide, this is the girl who
[00:14:32] lost her life from a shot in the neck, she ran away, I insist with the
[00:14:36] data, eh, he shot her father twice in the legs, who
[00:14:39] logically tried
[00:14:42] to intervene so that he would cease his
[00:14:45] murderous attitude and ran
[00:14:48] away, he ran away, was there police at that
[00:14:52] moment, was there any police. It's full, no,
[00:14:55] well, Jorge, look, the information coming in is that this man, the
[00:14:59] femicide, the material author of this act, would have fired
[00:15:03] two shots, one in each leg of the victim's father, and the victim
[00:15:07] received a shot in the neck, which compromised the artery, that's
[00:15:10] why she bled out on the spot, a police vehicle transferred
[00:15:14] her to a hospital, where she arrived alive,
[00:15:17] but they did everything
[00:15:21] la escena, dos al hombre, dos al padre de la víctima fatal, uno a
[00:15:25] ella en el cuello, compromete la arteria, está prófugo la
[00:15:28] información que tenemos, están
[00:15:31] la zona y bueno, como bien también nos estaba pasando recién, el fiscal está
[00:15:35] trabajando en el lugar de los hechos y dio la
[00:15:43] orden de retirar a los medios periodísticos, creo que es un grave error porque hay libertad de prensa y no se está mostrando nada que pueda llegar a entorpecer la investigación excede su ámbito de
[00:15:47] competencia no retirar a la prensa, no sé digamos
[00:15:50] bajo qué reglamento,
[00:15:53] código se ampara no tiene potestad
[00:15:57] de retirar a la prensa,
[00:15:58] bueno
[00:16:01] Perfect.
[00:16:03] Eh, well, nothing, we're working, well, let's start telling the story, let's tell
[00:16:07] the story, let's narrate the story, black, eh, I would like to talk to neighbors, no,
[00:16:11] to profile
[00:16:15] eh, especially the murderer, did they
[00:16:17] know him? Questions we ask ourselves,
[00:16:20] no, was he a policeman, was he not a policeman, was he a
[00:16:24] criminal who was armed, did he buy the weapon
[00:16:28] only premeditating this, eh,
[00:16:31] femicide, this cold-blooded,
[00:16:34] cowardly attack, I don't know what you were able to gather, black, if I understand that
[00:16:37] you just arrived, no, but well, perhaps the neighbors
[00:16:41] can reconstruct the story.
[00:16:45] Yes, yes, you know that very close to where the crime happened,
[00:16:48] there were some relatives
[00:16:52] of the girl and of her father who were
[00:16:55] there in the area, now they are examining to see if they can find more
[00:16:59] shell casings near the place, this
[00:17:02] also observing the cameras if there are any, in fact
[00:17:06] we have observed that there are some cameras from the businesses that
[00:17:10] focus and point to the place where
[00:17:13] all this happened, while the scientific police continue to search, right,
[00:17:17] these important elements for the cause, such as shell
[00:17:20] casings and so on, what also draws a little attention is that
[00:17:25] draws attention is that very close to the
[00:17:29] place, beyond where the scientific police were
[00:17:32] working, from where they removed us, there were
[00:17:35] many people, obviously. many of whom are neighbors who are front-line
[00:17:39] residents of the place, and many others are neighbors who were alerted by
[00:17:43] the situation and came, in fact one of them told us that he found out
[00:17:46] because there's a Facebook group where,
[00:17:50] well, they uploaded the story, so many of
[00:17:53] these neighbors came precisely to see the story there, right,
[00:17:57] the story we just showed, the one on screen now, without going any
[00:18:01] further,
[00:18:03] the one of the girl, I guess, right, I'm not seeing anyone surrendering
[00:18:07] her, eh, the homage, the victim is seen in the foreground,
[00:18:10] I understand, I'm not 100% sure that
[00:18:13] the femicide is precisely eh, her
[00:18:17] former partner, right, the man who is this young man who is
[00:18:21] on the run, there is some version that indicates that he would be an
[00:18:23] effective no
[00:18:26] it's not known yet eh Gonzalo, do you know? here
[00:18:30] here we have information that is reaching me, Meli is talking to me, she
[00:18:34] is the victim's cousin, she just
[00:18:36] communicated. And she tells me, "Well, I was with my cousin precisely last
[00:18:41] Saturday, we were with him, eh, and
[00:18:45] well, she tells me, I asked if she knew if he had a weapon beforehand, something my cousin told
[00:18:48] me, that he already knew about the possession of the weapon and would go out
[00:18:52] to rob with the weapon," she says here, ah, he wasn't a policeman,
[00:18:56] he was into that, she says, a criminal he was. Well, I
[00:19:00] asked her how she saw him last Saturday with him, well, they looked very good
[00:19:03] but they had fights very often, she tells us here, and as far as
[00:19:07] she knows... he's from Merlo, she says, because I asked her where, where I could
[00:19:11] interview her, especially to profile him, to give
[00:19:15] some clue to see if that collaborates with the authorities to
[00:19:18] find him, what places he frequents, what place he moves
[00:19:22] a lot, I don't think Diego Nahuel is informing
[00:19:26] me that they are looking for him in three different
[00:19:28] places, there is a kind of undercover police
[00:19:32] stakeout, what they call police jargon, perhaps they are
[00:19:36] holding him because they know he is in a certain area, they don't give me the exact places
[00:19:39] so as not to hinder the investigation, but the personnel of the departmental police headquarters
[00:19:43] of Ituzaingó are working, the investigation personnel are
[00:19:46] working together and the tactical criminological cabinet of the police station that
[00:19:50] corresponds to the jurisdiction where the events occurred are working in three different
[00:19:53] places, one in the district of Ituzaingó and two
[00:19:57] other places outside the district, they believe that in the next few hours or perhaps in the
[00:20:01] next few minutes there may be a positive result because he would not
[00:20:05] be very far from the area where the events occurred. The
[00:20:08] preliminary version, Ochipinti just told me, is that he arrives
[00:20:12] with a support vehicle, someone takes him to the place, it would be important
[00:20:15] to know who it is, especially if this was premeditated, I mean, it's a
[00:20:19] link in the plan, I mean, someone who takes a
[00:20:22] femicide to the place where, to the place where
[00:20:25] he commits the crime, right? And then he runs
[00:20:28] away, unless he was transported to a place where that vehicle
[00:20:32] was waiting for him, no, if this was indeed premeditated and it wasn't and
[00:20:35] surely there are security cameras.
[00:20:37] Both private and municipal ones are being analyzed to have the
[00:20:42] the escape, that's why they are working on the analysis and
[00:20:45] they are also working on the investigative part with the crossing of antennas, because there is a
[00:20:49] mobile device that would be giving clues as to where
[00:20:52] he could be hiding, at least three shots, one that hits the
[00:20:55] victim's neck and at least two
[00:20:59] shots that the father received in the
[00:21:02] legs, I understand, we have a very
[00:21:05] important communication,
[00:21:06] a plate,
[00:21:10] come on, breaking
[00:21:10] news,
[00:21:14] 20 minutes past 9 tonight,
[00:21:17] Melan, the victim's cousin, speaks...
[00:21:26] Melani, good evening, eh, I'm Diego Estévez, I'm with Abuel
[00:21:29] Suárez and the whole team from Tierra de Nadie, how are you, first of all,
[00:21:33] our, our condolences,
[00:21:34] Melani, you just told
[00:21:39] Melani, que recién le
[00:21:42] and this femicide, her ex-partner,
[00:21:46] on Saturday, yes, yes.
[00:21:50] We were with him,
[00:21:54] my cousin had already told me that they were having
[00:21:57] problems, everything, but also that he
[00:22:01] was already involved in
[00:22:03] crime with a weapon.
[00:22:06] He was always involved in crime, what did
[00:22:09] he tell you? Yes, yes, he was always, since he
[00:22:13] was with her and they got back together recently.
[00:22:15] There had been violence
[00:22:18] before.
[00:22:21] My cousin told me yes, he
[00:22:24] hit her. He hit your
[00:22:27] cousin.
[00:22:31] You're nervous, I imagine, well, also moved by what just
[00:22:35] happened. What do you know
[00:22:38] about your uncle,
[00:22:40] I mean?
[00:22:43] About my uncle, I also was with my
[00:22:46] uncle on Saturday, we were with the boyfriend, he was...
[00:22:50] more than fine until then, and on Sunday I went back, she
[00:22:53] was with her boyfriend, she had gone with her boyfriend, it's fine, but you see
[00:22:57] that they injured her, they end up
[00:23:00] killing her
[00:23:03] and they shoot the father twice, what is known about
[00:23:06] the father? About the father, I really don't know
[00:23:10] anything.
[00:23:12] He's hospitalized, I'm being told that the father has three bullet wounds.
[00:23:16] She has one, he has three. He's hospitalized and is in critical condition.
[00:23:21] He's critical, yes, his name is Jorge, the man, he's from the
[00:23:24] area, ah, well, she's very nervous, the poor girl,
[00:23:27] you have to understand her, what else do you have, Jorge? Well, as
[00:23:31] I just told you, the scientific police are working at the
[00:23:35] scene, the forensics,
[00:23:37] there are already at least four shots that
[00:23:41] this person could have fired against
[00:23:44] his ex-partner, this young woman who received a shot in the neck and the father received
[00:23:48] another shot, they confirm to me that... two of the shots were to the
[00:23:51] legs, they were a kind of kneecap shots, like those who
[00:23:55] collect debts do, well, that's why the premeditation
[00:23:58] in the aggression against Jorge is mentioned, two precise shots in the
[00:24:02] legs, which caused bone injuries and
[00:24:05] also in an arterial area, that's why he is in critical condition, a very
[00:24:09] important, very considerable blood loss, it must be remembered that the fatal victim was transferred
[00:24:13] by a police vehicle to a hospital, where she arrived alive,
[00:24:16] but they did everything possible to save her and no.
[00:24:29] The couple was as accurate as possible. Let's see if it was body
[00:24:32] to body, maybe there was no intention of killing the father,
[00:24:36] but a fight on the part of the aggressor
[00:24:39] against his ex-partner, with a woman. he eh there's a physical
[00:24:43] aggression, a verbal aggression, that's when he fired the shot. The father comes out
[00:24:47] to intervene in that fight that's happening. He's already seeing the
[00:24:51] girl injured on the floor and this man fires three
[00:24:54] shots at the father, of which two accurately hit his
[00:24:57] legs, there's a third shot that they can't confirm exactly where on the
[00:25:01] body it is, but there are two in the legs and one in another part of the body. That's when
[00:25:05] well, this man gives up, he runs away and as I just
[00:25:08] said, he runs away but apparently in the vicinity because they are analyzing
[00:25:12] the security cameras, there would be a support vehicle waiting for him and
[00:25:16] it takes him, it removes him from the area, it
[00:25:18] would take him from a... invitation El Negro Moreno is not
[00:25:22] working from the place. El Negro, what else do you have if
[00:25:25] there's any testimony, no from any witness of the
[00:25:28] attack because it was during hours of a lot of movement.
[00:25:31] Yes.
[00:25:35] Are you listening to me? I say perfect. Yes.
[00:25:39] Yes, yes, well, you know that we are precisely with the neighbors who some tell us
[00:25:43] that well, the area has become impassable in this last
[00:25:45] time and that's why businesses close much earlier
[00:25:49] than they should, this, but well, although it's true that this goes a
[00:25:53] little beyond the logic of insecurity, this,
[00:25:56] well, the neighbors are not surprised by the fact that there is another
[00:26:00] victim, because precisely, eh, come on, neighbor. You were telling me and you
[00:26:04] were regretting a little what had happened also because of the case of this boy they killed for
[00:26:07] the motorcycle that was close by also not so long ago, right?
[00:26:11] Yes, you're not surprised by this kind of thing, are you? It makes me
[00:26:14] angry. Angry. 23
[00:26:18] years old.
[00:26:21] He didn't live that age. Of course, that boy didn't. Well, this girl
[00:26:24] either, right? 18 years old.
[00:26:28] it's not the other thing, it's insecurity, and the other thing, they catch them every time they
[00:26:32] catch
[00:26:39] these motorcyclists or the kids who drive around in a car, three or four kids. If they want to stop them, they can stop them. If they want to stop them,
[00:26:42] they can stop them. If one, two are on a motorcycle,
[00:26:46] stop them, ask for documents, ask for a license, to see if they have one, if the motorcycle is
[00:26:50] legal. Now, he knows that this man would be
[00:26:52] a criminal, that he would be armed because he would be
[00:26:55] a criminal according to the version we have from the cousin. Do you have any idea if
[00:26:59] this guy who shot his ex-girlfriend was a criminal
[00:27:03] or not? No, he's a young man, we don't
[00:27:06] know him, we don't know him from the neighborhood, I don't know
[00:27:10] from around here but I don't know where from. The girl
[00:27:13] also, a girl from a very good family, they go to church, they are
[00:27:17] Christians. This, it's all sad, it's very
[00:27:21] sad, especially what's happening with young people and with older people
[00:27:24] too. Or look at that family that
[00:27:28] was kidnapped and was in Brandsen with the
[00:27:31] child. We're going to know how they live in that
[00:27:35] moment, who takes it out of their head,
[00:27:38] the child or the parents, they will live with that
[00:27:41] forever, where are we living, where are we
[00:27:45] living,
[00:27:47] I listen to you, Tomás, as well as
[00:27:51] Joel, as well as Diego,
[00:27:54] and what you say is right, but we can't do anything, we are tied
[00:27:58] hand and foot, how far will we go with
[00:28:01] this? Nobody reacts, nobody
[00:28:04] reacts, and then some idiots ask why
[00:28:07] don't the military come back, the time of the
[00:28:10] military, I lived it very badly, I was
[00:28:13] young and I lived it very badly, getting off the trains with a machine gun to the head and
[00:28:17] being thrown to the ground, I saw it in a place, he thought about arming himself, what do you think about arming yourself,
[00:28:21] no, that was one of the debates from the beginning, right? And now we are the same, what do you think
[00:28:25] about arming yourself, would you arm yourself? No.
[00:28:28] No, no, no, no, not at all, no, no, no,
[00:28:32] he was not a victim of insecurity in the area. Let's
[00:28:34] connect, let's see. Wait, I'll connect him,
[00:28:37] so he can listen to you
[00:28:39] directly. Eh, let's see if he hears the floor there, how are you? Do you hear me
[00:28:43] Diego? I'm here with Abuel, with the whole team. Yes, yes,
[00:28:47] I know you, Diego. Eh, you were just
[00:28:50] saying, very worried about
[00:28:54] the area, although as you clarified, this has nothing to do, or at least
[00:28:58] directly, with an incident of insecurity, but rather it's a
[00:29:01] femicide, right? A couple's situation, no,
[00:29:04] this is crazy, the madness of an unbalanced person, totally, a
[00:29:08] person who doesn't think,
[00:29:11] this, the other is different,
[00:29:15] the guy on the motorcycle too, those are people who
[00:29:18] are high on drugs and
[00:29:21] to get them they'll do anything. Now, I was telling you,
[00:29:25] indirectly, yes, it would be linked to an
[00:29:28] act of insecurity because
[00:29:32] the victim would be a criminal who would have
[00:29:36] a weapon, one understands that it was
[00:29:40] illegally, but well, that this
[00:29:43] guy had a weapon because he was a criminal,
[00:29:45] no.
[00:29:48] And well, many here don't know him. They knew the
[00:29:51] family that was the victim,
[00:29:55] who are good people. I imagine the
[00:29:57] ordeal, no, I mean knowing that your daughter is dating
[00:30:01] a guy who would be a thief, right? How, I mean,
[00:30:04] the ordeal of a family, of that father who today, the ordeal of that
[00:30:08] father who today fights for his life, who has to lament
[00:30:12] the death of his daughter. Yes, he's already dead in life. He's already dead in
[00:30:16] life, the father. Yes, yes, he's already dead in life. I was listening to the
[00:30:20] man, Abuel greets you, I was listening to the man, you have to listen to him,
[00:30:23] it's the years and the wisdom, that,
[00:30:27] the drugs, the out of control, unfortunately everything got out of
[00:30:30] hand, that's how we are, but
[00:30:34] beyond the fact that this is a psychopath,
[00:30:37] how and how do we do it,
[00:30:40] Diego, with that, nothing,
[00:30:43] this, luck is crazy, whoever gets it gets it, we
[00:30:46] tell it, let's see, if you ask me
[00:30:50] personally, I'm going to tell you, look, the truth is that,
[00:30:53] eh, I'm not a security minister and unfortunately today
[00:30:57] the entire force is going through such a great degree of corruption.