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[00:00:00] that I mean to know that your daughter goes out with a guy who
[00:00:04] would be a thief, no, how do I say, the ordeal of
[00:00:07] a family, of that father who today, the ordeal of that father
[00:00:10] who today fights for his life, who has to mourn
[00:00:14] the death of his daughter, yes, he is already dead in life,
[00:00:16] same family who knows what he is already dead in life, the father, yes, yes, he is already
[00:00:20] dead in life, I also listened to the man, Nahuel greets you,
[00:00:23] I listened to the man, you have to listen to him, it's years and
[00:00:26] wisdom, that's drugs, lack of control,
[00:00:30] unfortunately everything got out of hand and so we go,
[00:00:34] but beyond this being a psychopath,
[00:00:37] how
[00:00:39] and and how do we do it, Diego, with that,
[00:00:42] nothing, this luck is crazy, whoever it touches, it touches them, we
[00:00:46] tell it, be there, be there, look, if you ask me personally,
[00:00:50] I'll tell you, look, the truth is that,
[00:00:55] is like this, like this, like this, like this," and what I'm not a security minister
[00:00:56] as the great savior of and unfortunately today there is such a degree of corruption in all the
[00:00:59] forces. and the entire state, that unfortunately I don't know if it
[00:01:03] is convenient not to give a solution to
[00:01:04] this,
[00:01:07] they could be resocialized, eventually to well, I don't know, we have to find a way because
[00:01:11] you can't live like this, you can't live like this, it's that the state
[00:01:15] defends criminals, no, every case we touch here, the
[00:01:19] state takes sides, it's not that it's neutral, look, witness,
[00:01:22] no, no, it protects criminals from the
[00:01:26] bunker, from the kid who commits a crime and a judge comes out to
[00:01:30] allow a habeas corpus and says no, send the kid home to drink chocolate
[00:01:33] because the conditions are not met for us to detain him,
[00:01:37] no, now the kid comes out with a weapon and shoots you, uh,
[00:01:40] you can do prevention and you can
[00:01:43] do other things as well, not just go to a police station to file
[00:01:47] a complaint and have them not take it or tell you you have to come back in 48
[00:01:51] hours, why all those things, negligence, it's called,
[00:01:55] a lot of things, negligence, we'll make it cheap for
[00:01:58] you. Lack of empathy with level, look, the
[00:02:02] other day I got angry, lack of empathy too, the other day I got angry
[00:02:05] when they arrested the couple who
[00:02:08] had three plants in the house, who
[00:02:12] had the rep, the reprocomam it's called, which was to make
[00:02:15] the oil for the autistic children,
[00:02:19] yes, uh, and you don't catch the narco, you catch that
[00:02:22] couple who was giving peace of mind to their son, well, yes,
[00:02:26] well, they look for scapegoats, they don't go up there,
[00:02:31] uh, and and well, but
[00:02:34] if we have to talk, we have to talk about another
[00:02:38] space, well, let's go, let's talk now, you
[00:02:41] know what the space above is like, what's your name, excuse me
[00:02:45] I didn't ask you,
[00:02:47] Darío, Darío, look, Darío, now we have to talk about this, not this
[00:02:51] brutal femicide, a femicide on the run
[00:02:55] these hours and being intensely sought, a girl who is no longer
[00:02:58] among us. who lost her life brutally
[00:03:02] years old, does it seem to you, 18 years old, a life
[00:03:05] yes, it had it, now what it brings, what ahead and a father who fights for his life, they took it from him, they ripped
[00:03:08] her life away, yes, they stole her life, information is coming in, uh, Darran,
[00:03:12] look, listen because the neighbors are writing, the
[00:03:14] family, uh, give me a second, Darío,
[00:03:18] uh, Gonza, I see you there, yes, uh,
[00:03:21] chatting hard, what happened? Yes, I'm talking precisely with a
[00:03:25] neighbor who at one time was a very good friend of Jorge, the one who is
[00:03:29] hospitalized. Here he clarifies to me that he is not the father, he is the
[00:03:32] stepfather of the victim, well, and he
[00:03:35] tells me that in past times, a couple of years
[00:03:38] ago, he would have been
[00:03:41] in jail for a while, he was in prison, but
[00:03:45] I'm checking it, he's telling me, obviously we are talking about the victim's stepfather,
[00:03:49] clearly, as his testimony that he was in prison a couple of years
[00:03:52] ago, who? The hospitalized person, the one who is, the person who is hospitalized who
[00:03:55] received two shots, the victim's stepfather, let's speak in
[00:03:58] víctima, emos en
[00:04:00] and you, Dieguito? And because of what potential just in case,
[00:04:03] as testimony here from the viewer who is equal, here there was an issue,
[00:04:07] equally he is a victim, uh, this victim, if the case is linked
[00:04:10] to something related, it is not known, obviously it was violence within the framework of
[00:04:14] gender violence, not what happened,
[00:04:18] I don't think it's a settling of scores or a
[00:04:21] dispute between the stepfather and this kid because
[00:04:24] the woman, the cataca, exactly, the 18-year-old girl
[00:04:28] afterwards. that is to say, he attacks the
[00:04:31] stepfather because obviously he came out in defense of the girl,
[00:04:35] pass on information to no, but I don't think it's something that goes beyond the framework of
[00:04:37] what gender violence is and it
[00:04:40] would make a former convict or a
[00:04:44] person a diplomat.
[00:04:48] After, clarify, Melany, the victim's cousin, please, she wrote to me here that she
[00:04:52] feels very bad, that's why she had to hang up the phone, that's very good and understandable,
[00:04:55] clearly, no problem. Jorge, what else do we have? Yes, we maintain
[00:04:59] this, Jorge's condition, hospitalized in the hospital, is
[00:05:02] delicate with the three shots we had talked about. We are talking about the
[00:05:05] woman who loses her life doing it in the showroom of that hospital, with a
[00:05:09] significant blood loss, it would have compromised an artery of... the neck,
[00:05:13] the only shot she receives. It must be remembered that in the scene,
[00:05:17] the aggressor gets out of a vehicle, the vehicle leaves the scene, this man
[00:05:20] approaches what would be the entrance to the property, talks to her, there is a
[00:05:24] exchange of words, there is a discussion, there is a physical altercation,
[00:05:28] it seems like a physical aggression, he pulls out the weapon, fires the
[00:05:31] shot at her, when Jorge, the father, hears this situation, he
[00:05:35] approaches the entrance, that's when he intervenes in that aggression that happened
[00:05:38] there, he receives three shots, two precise ones in the legs that...
[00:05:42] fracture, they compromise the bone structure of the body and
[00:05:45] then a shot in a part of the body, he is delicate, that is the information we
[00:05:49] have, they are working and they are working on the investigation to
[00:05:53] find the material perpetrator, uh,
[00:05:56] Fer, uh, tell me how everything is
[00:05:58] there,
[00:06:01] well, calmer now, uh, well, they just left, no,
[00:06:04] the police arrived, the one that comes with a motorcycle, I think, a group, uh,
[00:06:08] they arrived because there was some
[00:06:12] kind of... discomfort at some point when we were, when they were taking us from there,
[00:06:15] near the place,
[00:06:19] we send a big greeting to the head of Lambá in that area, Police
[00:06:22] Inspector Sanabria, a great guy,
[00:06:25] a great worker, so Julián, clearly,
[00:06:29] how can they not let the press work, so calm down, you'll be
[00:06:32] working in a few minutes, we'll have news regarding this femicide,
[00:06:36] we'll be right back, uh, yes, you have
[00:06:38] priority,
[00:06:42] with a plate, no, with a plate, breaking
[00:06:44] news,
[00:06:52] stupid justice, everyone is
[00:06:55] free,
[00:06:58] they laugh hard at us, hey, it's not
[00:07:02] 10, but well, it's verbatim, no, they caused disturbances on a
[00:07:05] bus, they confronted the
[00:07:08] police and tried to take his weapon,
[00:07:39] they are bothering, they are drunk and they are bothering. He got them off and this
[00:07:43] happened,
[00:07:50] well, come on, let's do
[00:07:53] this here,
[00:08:07] talk
[00:08:11] at the beginning.
[00:08:44] Why do you think these things happen? Let's see, what do you think? Let's
[00:08:48] see, I'm going to start with Gonzalo, Gonzalo, why do you think this happens? First, because there is also impunity,
[00:08:51] a lack of respect for any type of authority that
[00:08:55] is presented. Well, you, Jorgito, why do you think? Because of the guarantor justice
[00:08:59] that sometimes doesn't realize that these things harm not
[00:09:03] only an individual but all of society
[00:09:06] and the issue that there is no firm hand in the
[00:09:09] law and in the enforcement of order,
[00:09:13] happened that he is free, imagine that
[00:09:16] policeman, what will he do next time? Will he act in
[00:09:20] this way or will he look the other way? Because first his life was
[00:09:23] at risk and second, he saw how they entered through one
[00:09:27] door and left through another, you know what the problem is for
[00:09:30] me? That the poor policeman, to save the
[00:09:34] two pesos and 20 cents he has, because they don't have
[00:09:38] a dime and they have to show their badge to travel for free, because if you are in
[00:09:42] civilian clothes like the policeman is and I don't show my badge, nobody knows I'm a
[00:09:45] policeman, so to save
[00:09:48] a ticket, I show my badge, they let me pass, but the bus driver, at
[00:09:52] any disturbance, tells me that something is happening,
[00:09:56] so he leaves you blank and you have to act, but
[00:09:58] well, it's supposed that in the line of duty he has
[00:10:01] to intervene, right, in the line of duty, three
[00:10:04] drunk people on a bus, I don't identify myself,
[00:10:08] if I pay the ticket, I don't identify myself, because at what point do you intervene?
[00:10:15] Let's see, I don't ask, I start asking for support by cell phone, wherever, why? Because
[00:10:18] you know that three people who are drunk on a bus with
[00:10:22] other passengers, if you identify yourself as...
[00:10:25] a policeman, a armed confrontation
[00:10:28] may break out or you may have to shoot and and and perhaps
[00:10:31] you kill an innocent person, so
[00:10:34] obviously what I do is directly not say that I'm a policeman,
[00:10:38] I pay my ticket and I continue, but I understand
[00:10:41] the policeman, uh, the policeman's trip costs him the same as
[00:10:44] any worker, they earn 800 thousand pesos, you understand,
[00:10:47] obviously he's going to ask for a dime, we are surprised that they were released
[00:10:51] so calmly after having tried to steal his
[00:10:55] weapon, which the policeman resisted, what would have happened
[00:10:58] no if effectively, the charge
[00:11:01] of resisting authority is more or less the same
[00:11:04] as it is more serious to steal a candy, let's see, look,
[00:11:08] there is Benjamin Ronco, a criminal lawyer, we had him on
[00:11:11] the phone, well, he has studied in detail, not the juvenile criminal
[00:11:15] regime, but well, he is also a criminal lawyer, you're laughing, Benjamin, good
[00:11:18] evening, with what Nahuel says, it was nothing, it was not
[00:11:22] a matter of smiling.
[00:11:33] Here is the state and justice that comes to give answers to a society that is looking for
[00:11:36] clearer security measures and to be able to live in peace, clear, the answer is
[00:11:39] continue, to put it in plain Spanish, yes, you have to see exactly the particular
[00:11:43] case, we criminal lawyers analyze this in
[00:11:47] detail each case, perhaps eventually take a
[00:11:51] broad decision for all
[00:11:56] cases in general, uh, it doesn't really require the precision needed when
[00:11:58] it comes to sentencing. Let's see, taking these cases that
[00:12:02] we are discussing and analyzing,
[00:12:06] well, eventually, yes, it's necessary for there to be a clear
[00:12:10] response, perhaps here, having such pristine
[00:12:13] images and having such conclusive evidence,
[00:12:17] well, one comes to the conclusion that it's necessary to do something, but on the street
[00:12:20] anyway, on the street, there are three drunkards, to put it badly and
[00:12:24] quickly, if they did it once, they'll do it again, uh, which is
[00:12:27] trying to rob him, this time it didn't work out, well, but if they know that
[00:12:31] they enter through one door and leave through the other, the problem is that if those shots he
[00:12:35] fired at the ground, hit him in a
[00:12:38] leg, that policeman is in jail, he's in jail,
[00:12:42] he loses his job, he's in jail, believe me,
[00:12:44] believe me, because they won't say he's numerically
[00:12:48] superior, no, no, no, they'll say,
[00:12:52] well, they're drunk, they don't know what they're doing, use verbal
[00:12:55] persuasion. nonsense nonsense, but if they take his gun, they'll
[00:12:59] kill him, justice for the criminal, but it's not that I defend the
[00:13:02] criminal, I believe that things must be clear, if you attack a policeman
[00:13:06] the consequences must be very serious, yes,
[00:13:09] obviously I'm talking about policemen, policemen,
[00:13:12] honest policemen, yes, because he's an honest guy, you
[00:13:16] calculate that if he has to show his badge to pass for free, these are guys who are not stealing at home, they are below
[00:13:20] the poverty line, well, clearly tolerate good police,
[00:13:24] tolerate. Uh, that three unruly
[00:13:27] drunkards uh, who want to take your weapon, who want to
[00:13:31] assault you and all the rest, and and the and and the penalty is
[00:13:34] well, assault and resisting authority, uh, see if
[00:13:38] he has a record, if he has no record, fine, let him go, and well, buddy,
[00:13:41] they will do the same thing tomorrow because they didn't have a consequence, clearly
[00:13:45] they are hitting on a fundamental point of the matter.
[00:13:48] Let's see, we, uh, as a federal
[00:13:52] criminal system, what we establish as a country and as a society, is imprisonment for
[00:13:55] the purpose of rehabilitating people, precisely,
[00:13:59] so here there is a dichotomy between
[00:14:02] re-socialization and recidivism, which are two words that have
[00:14:06] similar roots, but very different consequences, so
[00:14:09] if we propose that sentences of imprisonment and
[00:14:13] incarceration have re-socializing purposes, how
[00:14:16] can we, uh, maintain, and it is something that is already established in society, that
[00:14:20] eventually whoever commits a crime once, very probably will commit it again,
[00:14:24] so. Definitely there is the issue that we must address, that
[00:14:28] it is necessary for there to be regulation and that there are necessary conditions for
[00:14:32] the constitutional regulation to be fulfilled,
[00:14:35] that the re-socialization of people is
[00:14:39] effectively carried out. Let's see, that's all
[00:14:42] great, why isn't it allowed in all
[00:14:46] penitentiary units, for example, to have a system like the Spartans,
[00:14:49] no, why don't they allow it? Why can there be
[00:14:52] some place, yes, others not? The. The one
[00:14:56] in San Martín, for example, the Spartans are a tiny
[00:14:58] group, it's not the three units that are inside,
[00:15:02] well, here we have to differentiate two issues
[00:15:06] that are different, uh, on the one hand,
[00:15:10] there is the regulation of the Federal Penitentiary Service, which
[00:15:14] has its own jurisdiction and judges do not have
[00:15:16] incidence properly regarding
[00:15:19] accommodation measures and different issues that can be carried out within a
[00:15:22] prison, it would be questionable.
[00:15:25] of a judge who forces the penitentiary service, for
[00:15:29] example, the transfer of a detainee to a place where the same
[00:15:32] penitentiary service says no, I cannot receive more people here, so
[00:15:36] it would be aggravating the... situation of the detainee, therefore these are issues that
[00:15:39] cannot be directly related to magisterial division,
[00:15:43] but directly to a decision that comes from the penitentiary service that
[00:15:47] has a whole regulation and a whole different operation, let's go for the other
[00:15:51] side, not for the other vertex of this story that has to do with the police, did you have to
[00:15:54] defend policemen, let's say, who, convinced of
[00:15:58] acting in the legitimate
[00:16:00] use of their weapon, of their
[00:16:03] function, ended up detained?
[00:16:07] Yes, yes, it has happened to me, it has happened to me also, besides, I even come
[00:16:10] from the judicial school, for 15 years I worked in the judiciary, so I also
[00:16:14] participated in cases where these types of issues were dealt with, the important thing here is
[00:16:18] to understand what are the duties, the faculties of each member of the police,
[00:16:22] eh, regardless of whether they are on duty or not,
[00:16:26] there are different consequences for what are these, let's say,
[00:16:29] civilian people, so these are issues to be dealt with very
[00:16:33] carefully and to pinpoint exactly each particular case.
[00:16:37] These are issues that end up being decided based on details, so, but
[00:16:41] they feel, I imagine, I am a policeman, I see how these three
[00:16:44] criminals who were one step away from stealing my weapon and shooting
[00:16:48] me, because I don't think they wanted to steal the weapon to go sell it on the corner, no,
[00:16:52] evidently there was an intention to attack the
[00:16:55] helpless policeman because justice does not
[00:16:58] back him up, because he takes the bus and has to ask
[00:17:02] to get on the bus for free, that is, his bosses
[00:17:06] don't protect him either because they don't pay him enough, the guy is alone, I
[00:17:09] think next time he says, "I'm not going to risk it," that is, I get on the
[00:17:13] bus and let the three drunkards sort it out, you mean more
[00:17:16] subtle, I cannot understand how there are police
[00:17:20] personnel who live in emergency neighborhoods,
[00:17:23] I know a lot, that's true, I know a lot,
[00:17:26] living in an emergency neighborhood, you know what that means for a
[00:17:30] policeman, turn a blind eye to a lot of things because he has his
[00:17:33] family, clear. Well, look, uh, here Agustín
[00:17:37] has a case that is emblematic of the time we
[00:17:41] are going through, uh, let's go with a plate,
[00:17:44] come on,
[00:17:45] breaking news, 13
[00:17:50] minutes, to 10 o'clock at night, we've been talking
[00:17:54] about this for a long time, no, poor police versus
[00:17:58] juvenile delinquents,
[00:18:00] all the problems came together in the salad bowl, they are all together,
[00:18:03] uh, police from. A minor tried to rob him and
[00:18:08] killed him, look at all the issues that
[00:18:12] this case encompasses, the driver was a police
[00:18:15] sub-lieutenant he
[00:18:19] is
[00:18:24] with all the information Jorge, exactly, 15 years old, this young man who
[00:18:28] was together with another delinquent who fled the
[00:18:31] scene, this young man tries to commit the illicit act against this
[00:18:34] sub-lieutenant from the complex investigations area. from
[00:18:37] Tuzangó, this man, well, uh, he gives the command to stop, he was
[00:18:41] working as an application driver in the area of
[00:18:45] Abdalah in what would be the San Alberto neighborhood, west zone of the Greater
[00:18:48] Buenos Aires. He gives the command to stop, he fires two accurate shots,
[00:18:51] one of the delinquents falls wounded, he, as a
[00:18:54] humanitarian gesture, picks him up because he realizes that he was a person
[00:18:58] of small build and could be a minor. He takes him to the
[00:19:01] Balestrini hospital, where he enters the showroom but the doctors
[00:19:05] can no longer do anything for the health of this young delinquent who moments before tried to
[00:19:08] rob this sub-lieutenant who was working in his
[00:19:12] free hours as an application vehicle
[00:19:15] driver. Uh, the shot at the minor, where did it go, how
[00:19:19] is it? Were they in the car? Were they out of the car? How
[00:19:23] was he intercepted in Abdalah and Gaboto, uh, by these delinquents,
[00:19:26] apparently either there was a call in which they requested that vehicle for that area
[00:19:30] or at some point he had to slow down because it is a difficult area
[00:19:34] to travel through due to the condition of the streets and in this case also
[00:19:38] the night. Well, these young people approach him at
[00:19:41] gunpoint, when he feels numerically overwhelmed and
[00:19:44] with a firearm, he gives the command to stop, an exchange of
[00:19:48] shots occurs, the deceased delinquent has at least the preliminary
[00:19:52] information we have, two shots in the body and well, as I
[00:19:56] was just saying, he loses his life in the hospital's showroom
[00:19:59] given that this policeman puts him in his own
[00:20:02] car, badly wounded, and takes him to the Balestrini hospital, where he
[00:20:06] enters the emergency room but they can no longer do anything for him, yes,
[00:20:10] uh, what I understood, just to Divito,
[00:20:14] ah,
[00:20:17] yes, uh, I understand that one of the shots is in the chest and another in the
[00:20:21] head, something like that, something like that would be the chest, the torso, because he
[00:20:25] approaches, he approaches the passenger door, exactly, they board him from
[00:20:29] one side, one from one side, the other from the other, exact, the
[00:20:32] driver, uh, went to look for a ride, the
[00:20:35] address that Jorge tells us.
[00:20:39] and through the driver's window,
[00:20:43] uh, this minor appears,
[00:20:46] that's what is declared,
[00:20:50] and and he points a pistol at him, that
[00:20:53] generates a struggle and during the struggle, the police
[00:20:57] officer opens fire, firing a shot in the chest, another in the
[00:21:00] head, and of course, the neighborhood comes down on
[00:21:04] the police officer, uh, they force him to load him and
[00:21:08] take him to the hospital, uh, which is what he does, and another person
[00:21:11] obviously flees, yes,
[00:21:15] uh, Dieguito, was this minor
[00:21:19] known? Had he had any other incident?
[00:21:22] Uh, we are checking the records,
[00:21:26] yes, uh, I believe that there was, there is
[00:21:29] a list, yes, uh, days before there was
[00:21:33] a report of an
[00:21:37] Ecoboost robbery,
[00:21:39] and the victim says, "Uh, the person
[00:21:45] they do is a few meters from where that
[00:21:49] pickup truck was found dead, that
[00:21:52] this kid was found, clear, let's see, nothing,
[00:21:55] he's still 15 years old, they identified him
[00:21:58] and and obviously it was clear, he can't even be named, he can't
[00:22:02] be named, not for being a minor, no, Benjamin, he can't
[00:22:05] be trained at this point, at this point, yes,
[00:22:09] because he already passed away,
[00:22:11] yes, upon passing away, he stopped being a person, no, not for
[00:22:15] an ethical reason, we are not going to name him, yes, but you are
[00:22:18] able to show the name because he is no longer among
[00:22:22] us, so the law is what when you are
[00:22:26] alive, if identity is protected, but the
[00:22:28] person, upon not existing in this terrestrial
[00:22:32] plane, uh, we would be in a position, but not
[00:22:35] really, yes, it adds up, yes, now what
[00:22:38] benefit did this judge give him? All the
[00:22:41] minors, he didn't give them 60 days as a
[00:22:45] bonus, a third chance to keep
[00:22:47] committing crimes,
[00:22:49] yes, in in reality, uh, the judge's decision was
[00:22:52] quite controversial, I understand that she is
[00:22:55] occupying an important space in the media now, mainly because of
[00:22:59] this suspension, now, uh, we have to take into
[00:23:02] account some specific details regarding this new juvenile criminal
[00:23:06] regime, uh, it brings many novel issues, some were
[00:23:09] celebrated, others perhaps maintain to a certain extent the
[00:23:12] paradigm that had been upheld since 1980, the reality
[00:23:16] is that, uh, among the interesting things that this new law
[00:23:20] establishes, a cap for
[00:23:24] sentences, uh, towards juvenile
[00:23:28] offenders of 15 years, it eliminates life
[00:23:31] imprisonment, which is something that was already quite relegated from the Mendoza
[00:23:34] ruling of the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, and to a certain extent it came
[00:23:38] to amalgamate, to standardize a
[00:23:42] little bit what all the laws and all the rulings that understood this
[00:23:45] way regarding this issue, uh, the truth is that it is
[00:23:49] a much-awaited law, all political parties, for many
[00:23:52] years, sat down to discuss this law, sat down to see eventually how
[00:23:56] the juvenile criminal regime could be improved, and the truth is that after so many years that
[00:24:00] Congress, both chambers, approved
[00:24:02] it, that it now comes with a new suspension, leaves a
[00:24:06] bitter taste, so to speak, it achieved the opposite effect, the only thing it achieved
[00:24:10] so far is that many who were minors at the time and were sentenced to
[00:24:13] more than 15 years, due to the more lenient criminal law, were released,
[00:24:17] clearly. Because the law, the more lenient criminal law, sets a limit of 15 years when
[00:24:21] before there was none, no, let's see, I
[00:24:24] say, and not far from defending the judge, because you
[00:24:27] know what my opinion is, my opinion for me,
[00:24:30] a crime of greater penalty, of greater,
[00:24:34] I don't care, for you the decision is good, it doesn't
[00:24:38] validate a request that happens, no, what happens is that you have to understand something,
[00:24:41] guys, one thing is the political circus that serves
[00:24:44] a lot, let's ask for a trial, a Yuri, his prosecution seems like a
[00:24:48] whole boat, yes, they didn't ask for it today, it's already
[00:24:50] ordered, but after he leaves, Santi leaves,
[00:24:54] I get the politician
[00:24:57] to talk when the guys never did
[00:25:00] anything, never anything, they've been in government for 40 years, all of them, and
[00:25:03] nobody now raises this flag, why not,
[00:25:07] let's see, it's Alfaro, Roca,
[00:25:10] Agote, it's always the same ones, always the same
[00:25:13] detention centers or custody for a
[00:25:17] security measure for juvenile delinquents. but you didn't
[00:25:21] add any, you didn't expand it, you didn't make
[00:25:24] trained places to be able to reinsert that kid, you know
[00:25:27] what the kids tell you when they enter the institute, the first thing they throw a
[00:25:31] knife on the floor, yes, as soon as they enter they throw a knife on the floor, they start to
[00:25:35] fight, yes, a knife, they call it
[00:25:37] charraca,
[00:25:39] whatever you call it, a blade, it doesn't matter, and they start to fight, the entry course
[00:25:42] is the sneakers, the clothes, that is, you
[00:25:46] expect them to come out rehabilitated, no, you'll never come out,
[00:25:50] to this foundation led by Father Pepe, this
[00:25:53] association presents this habeas corpus
[00:25:56] saying there are no places, let's say, that respect
[00:25:59] human rights that.
[00:26:05] Look, this is more social than penal, I've always said
[00:26:09] the same thing, because if I catch a 12-year-old, 13-year-old
[00:26:13] delinquent and I send him back to the
[00:26:18] he does, that he's involved in crime, that he brings a
[00:26:21] Play, that he brings money, that he has the most expensive sneakers, that
[00:26:25] he brings cell phones,
[00:26:27] family of, if you let that kid go back to that
[00:26:31] nucleus, you expect him to come out of it, well,
[00:26:34] coincidentally, this is the core of the judge's decision,
[00:26:38] the judge from Zamora, it has to do with the implementation of the law, it's not so much about the
[00:26:41] substance, she doesn't discuss the issues related to the minimum age of
[00:26:44] imputability and so on, but rather how this new regime is implemented, well
[00:26:48] this regime brings as a novelty a change of paradigm,
[00:26:52] a limit is placed on what is the
[00:26:55] tutelary justice where the state came
[00:26:59] the deviant youths. of the
[00:27:02] kids who couldn't be brought back to the right path, so they eventually came to stop them
[00:27:06] to take them to an institution so that
[00:27:10] reinvent themselves in society, and now what this law has is a more
[00:27:13] restorative approach, it seeks for young delinquent convicts
[00:27:17] to eventually explore an alternative
[00:27:21] measure to the sentence so that they can eventually understand the
[00:27:25] consequences of their actions, repair the damage and eventually be able
[00:27:29] to understand what the limit of their behavior is. based
[00:27:32] on what is not just imprisonment, it doesn't encourage
[00:27:36] imprisonment, quite the opposite, in fact this law gives space to the
[00:27:40] victim that not many laws within the national territory have,
[00:27:43] it is novel in that sense, all the issues related to
[00:27:47] decisions that are of early release, of reparation for the
[00:27:50] damage, the victim is always heard, but how do we
[00:27:54] solve that when
[00:27:57] today kids of 11, 12 years old are
[00:28:00] immersed in the world of. trafficking, for example,
[00:28:04] working as lookouts, satellites, they are part of the
[00:28:08] chain, uh, and and we all know it, how
[00:28:11] do you make that kid able
[00:28:14] to reinsert himself again, if you know he goes back to the same place,
[00:28:18] well, let's separate two different
[00:28:21] definitions, one thing is that minors, let's say
[00:28:25] a minimum age of imputability at the age you want, uh, can be
[00:28:29] considered responsible for an act,
[00:28:32] or can be condemned, here when we talk about imputability we say that we cannot
[00:28:36] apply a penalty, anyway there are minors who were this
[00:28:39] let's say designated as people who committed a
[00:28:42] crime, but they cannot be punished, but coercive
[00:28:46] measures can be taken, behavioral measures that eventually
[00:28:50] help that child who is not punishable, but who can eventually
[00:28:53] reinsert himself into society or can abstract himself from an
[00:28:56] environment that is harmful to him through a judge's decision, that
[00:29:00] is the tutelary part.
[00:29:02] Well, but the juvenile criminal court already had that tool, yes,
[00:29:08] it brings is for more serious issues or issues
[00:29:11] also of medium severity, let's say, it brings
[00:29:15] alternative measures to what is reclusion the presistence, I don't know, they
[00:29:19] take away their playstation, what is the, there is this, let's say, a scale that
[00:29:22] goes from admonition warning to detention, what is
[00:29:25] admonition, admonition is is a
[00:29:28] judicial decision, it's not a simple matter that
[00:29:31] it's just a decision that the judge makes and externalizes
[00:29:35] like a father scolding his child, but rather it's a judicial
[00:29:38] decision where it's established that a
[00:29:41] person, in this case a young person, committed a
[00:29:45] crime, they are accused, a responsibility trial is held, that
[00:29:49] admonition is issued, eventually that is recorded so that eventually in the future
[00:29:52] if something similar happens again, that prevailing record remains, it's not something
[00:29:55] innocuous, it's something that resembles, to bring it down to
[00:29:59] reality, we have one more case, uh, that we would like to analyze with you.
[00:30:08] Breaking news
[00:30:20] new law but nothing has changed
[00:30:23] guys
[00:30:25] the juvenile criminal law is little
[00:30:27] or nothing useful, we don't know,
[00:30:30] why by killing him,
[00:30:43] what is this, Jorge, Villavoz, northeast conurban area, a
[00:30:47] young man leaving high school is approached by two criminals, but
[00:30:51] just at that moment, a police officer, a police officer present, off
[00:30:54] duty, without the need to intervene, gives the order to
[00:30:57] stop, pursues them, chases them, they go to...