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[00:00:00] the anecdotes are not because I am very, very distant from
[00:00:04] new journalism, this journalism of the network, of x, and
[00:00:07] I don't like it much, that.
[00:00:10] Because, as I always tell you, there are many lies and it's a cesspool
[00:00:14] many times on social media, right? And there are many young people who are just starting and they buy
[00:00:18] that kind of journalism, but there were things that happened on the
[00:00:22] street, so Chiche had his stories, he would tell them to you
[00:00:26] love to Chiche's family and say goodbye to him in off-camera, different coverages where
[00:00:29] sometimes you arrive late to do the coverage of a story.
[00:00:33] It had to be updated, not
[00:00:36] recreated, and that's where the journalist's morning appeared, the man of
[00:00:39] experience, right? Where, for example, if there was a need to cover
[00:00:43] a fish kill, I don't know, a fish kill
[00:00:47] due to pollution in the river, and you arrived and there were no
[00:00:51] dead fish, what Cheche did was, for example, go to the
[00:00:54] fish market, buy and throw them
[00:00:57] into the river to take the picture, have the image. And say, here it is,
[00:01:01] Gente magazine, here is the cover of the magazine, the fish mortality,
[00:01:05] correct, that was the journalist's trick, with an instinct, others say I arrived, there's
[00:02:23] big hug to
[00:02:26] Chiche's children and truthfully, he left us.
[00:02:30] A great man, what a desire to work he had,
[00:02:34] and he died working. It's so great, so great, honestly,
[00:02:38] well, Chiche, may you be in
[00:02:40] heaven, thanks Mecha, a big kiss, thanks,
[00:02:44] hug, he always said, Dani, I
[00:02:47] was on Crónica, because he loved Crónica, he was very comfortable
[00:02:50] working here, because he also felt loved, respected, he
[00:02:55] I think he was a person to always said, I did at Crónica, it was the only thing I was missing, a master's in
[00:02:58] popular journalism,
[00:03:00] and I'm watching these images, he even traveled, he visited villas,
[00:03:04] settlements, the urban areas, he
[00:03:07] loved this, this type of journalism, he liked the street, he
[00:03:11] when he saw a mobile unit that
[00:03:14] generated what you are describing, or when a family came to the
[00:03:18] channel door and production decided to cover it
[00:03:21] the next day, he asked to go, he loved that popular
[00:03:25] contact, on Fridays, he loved that
[00:03:29] contact with the popular.
[00:03:40] He wasn't a graduate of anything or from any journalism school, it's the school of
[00:04:01] to cover a crime of two grandparents, don't
[00:04:05] interrupt my story, the information I could gather to
[00:04:08] ask how much 100g of salami costs at the corner store, to
[00:04:12] know if the, but Chiche was like that, Chiche was like that, and
[00:04:16] you'd finish the mobile report, you'd call him and say, Chiche, but don't ask me, you have to know
[00:04:20] culture is clearly above what 100g is worth, listen, he'd ask politicians,
[00:04:23] he'd ask politicians what many wouldn't ask them, how much
[00:04:26] is, I don't
[00:04:28] a certain moment, part of know,
[00:04:38] in the supermarket, what is that congressman, that minister, that secretary
[00:04:41] of state doing, what happened to my law, he didn't know how much a minimum
[00:04:45] pension was, he didn't know what it would be, a kilo of meat
[00:04:48] at, sorry,
[00:04:51] as time went by, there were many other
[00:04:55] interviews they did with Javier Milei, none produced
[00:04:59] so many. without so many replies as the
[00:05:01] interview, he went to visit him in one of his
[00:05:04] hospitalizations, uh, you remember also, yes, but he never gave him another
[00:05:08] interview, but never again after an interview
[00:05:09] because
[00:05:12] it made him uncomfortable, but well, journalism has to make people uncomfortable, what makes
[00:05:16] follow-up question, because that
[00:05:20] means that the journalist is listening to the interviewee's answer and gives him
[00:05:23] the possibility to ask a follow-up question, because you find
[00:05:26] some flaw, some error, something that catches your attention, and Chiche was a person who
[00:05:30] asked follow-up questions excellently well, and this made Javier
[00:05:33] Milei very uncomfortable. It was also a great interview with Cristina Fernández de
[00:05:36] Kirchner, we mentioned it a while ago, a great
[00:05:39] interview with Cristina, that well-conducted interview was memorable.
[00:05:53] He asked her what you cook,
[00:05:57] the person, the person, the woman, and a
[00:06:00] fabulous interview that also had repercussions because nobody had asked
[00:06:03] Cristina those things for two reasons. First, out of
[00:06:05] respect, because there is the investiture of a former president,
[00:06:09] so perhaps the journalist feels that they shouldn't invade her personal
[00:06:17] space, her privacy as a woman, her domestic matters, and also out of fear, because Cristina's figure instills fear in many journalists. journalists fear
[00:06:20] fear. Uh, Daniel
[00:06:24] is on the line.
[00:06:27] Uh, hello Daniel, Gustavo Chapur, Mariela Anaberia
[00:06:29] Cereso, and Daniel greets you. How
[00:06:32] are you? Hello everyone, it's truly very
[00:06:35] sad. They just informed me, as I imagine
[00:06:39] the whole country is finding out right now, about
[00:06:42] Chiche's departure. And well, although I knew he wasn't
[00:06:46] well, one imagines that he was
[00:06:49] going to be back soon, he was going to be working again soon and we were going
[00:06:52] to be able to see him, and unfortunately, he left us. Who
[00:06:56] Daniel, well, for me, Chiche was
[00:06:59] one of those great journalists who
[00:07:04] communication in Argentina. I'm lucky to
[00:07:07] have known him for many years, and especially
[00:07:11] to have invited him to work on projects from their inception,
[00:07:15] like Radio 10, or the day I bought Channel
[00:07:18] 9, I invited him to be part of the
[00:07:21] transformation of that channel. Uh, Chiche is one of
[00:07:25] those guys who looked three or four steps ahead of the
[00:07:29] rest of the journalists, right? And I include
[00:07:33] myself. I think he always saw things with, he had that
[00:07:36] vision of the great editor, right? Even
[00:07:40] though perhaps in recent times he wasn't editing a medium, as he did at the time with
[00:07:44] magazines or with newspapers, in
[00:07:47] every space he occupied, whether in a radio show or in a program on
[00:07:51] Crónica TV, he acted like an
[00:07:54] editor and he covered all
[00:07:58] 360 degrees of the news. Besides
[00:08:00] all that, Chiche is a good person. It's going to be hard for me to use the
[00:08:04] past tense, but I think Chiche is a good guy, a good guy, a family
[00:08:07] man. I knew his wife, I knew, I just
[00:08:11] hung up with Maggi, his daughter,
[00:08:14] uh, I think he's a guy that we will all agree we're going to miss. Yes,
[00:08:18] besides, you just said, he founded many media outlets,
[00:08:21] well, like you too, right? With your career, I mean, but he also
[00:08:25] worked with you, it's true, on Radio 10 he had a very
[00:08:28] nice program, a beautiful program, very listened to as well, and
[00:08:32] and Channel 9, now I say, uh, what did you learn? Because you're
[00:08:36] a younger guy, what did you learn from him? I mean, being a master of journalism,
[00:08:40] a lot, a lot, uh...
[00:08:42] The first and most important thing is that a journalist is
[00:08:45] a journalist 24 hours a day, there are no hours for our
[00:08:49] work. Uh, Chiche used to say that we didn't have a profession, that
[00:08:53] we had a craft, and that we dignified it by doing
[00:08:57] it well. Uh, Chiche was excessively
[00:09:00] perfectionist. I love that. He was
[00:09:03] stern, he would get angry when a
[00:09:06] producer maybe delayed putting someone on air
[00:09:09] or when a source was late.
[00:09:13] I don't want them to confirm it, he'd yell and I love it, I swear
[00:09:17] that hopefully on Crónica there can be
[00:09:20] memories of what happened behind
[00:09:24] the scenes, maybe not just the on-air moments but the moments before,
[00:09:28] Chiche was a champion at that,
[00:09:32] and he transmitted, he was contagious
[00:09:35] because, well, once Chiche told me, this is done
[00:09:38] with passion and with purpose. Uh,
[00:09:41] and the phrase stuck with me, right? With passion and
[00:09:45] with purpose, with those two things you can do journalism. You know,
[00:10:02] well, Daniel, a crabby
[00:10:05] Chiche, and he would get angry if,
[00:10:08] for example, a topic wasn't handled
[00:10:12] the way he wanted it to be, and you'd
[00:10:15] see him, of course, with his slowness already in this last
[00:10:18] while, yes, he wouldn't yell on air, he'd get angry, he never
[00:10:22] bothered to hide his anger on air.
[00:10:28] The times he swore at the news director himself, let's say, and then walked out through the hallway,
[00:10:32] really angry, for the people who might not know
[00:10:36] that part, yelling down the hallways, we were
[00:10:39] in the meeting after the show and
[00:10:42] you'd see him and hear him yelling towards the director's
[00:10:46] office at the back, or towards production, guys, he used to get very angry with
[00:11:06] journalism, not because the term "animal" is
[00:11:10] too much, but he was a guy who, if he didn't have the news, he would generate it, he knew
[00:11:14] how to generate it, right? This is important in journalism, it seems to
[00:11:17] me, Daniel, right? Where, if the news isn't there, you know how to
[00:11:21] generate it, to find it, the news basically, not just for it to reach you and
[00:11:26] then develop it. announce it or comment on it, uh, I don't know if you agree with this,
[00:11:29] I agree, I would say, in terms of print journalism, in which
[00:11:33] Chiche was also a master, a page would never be
[00:11:36] empty, always, always something would be
[00:11:40] a product of Chiche's curiosity, many times when a mobile unit went to
[00:11:43] one place and he saw that the topic was perhaps not as they had
[00:11:47] imagined in production, he immediately imagined what the
[00:11:51] continuation of the story would be like from another angle, and very few
[00:11:55] people have that. That's having a 360-degree view of the
[00:11:58] news, and I have no doubt that with
[00:12:02] Chiche, one of the few living legends of
[00:12:05] that type of journalist is leaving. Look, you just talked about
[00:12:08] an editor, and I think that's already a race that is practically
[00:12:11] disappearing. I practically put him at the same level as
[00:12:15] Héctor Ricardo García, the
[00:12:17] greats.
[00:12:20] Absolutely, absolutely, we, well, obviously our great founder,
[00:12:24] so I really put him at that level because they are guys who also did everything
[00:12:28] well, in print, radio, television, even, I tell you,
[00:12:32] you're in this, in Infobae,
[00:12:35] in Latin America, I mean, he even, Chiche was an innovator in
[00:12:38] that, because he was one of the first to launch what was Infoveloz
[00:12:41] first and Minuto Uno later. Minuto Uno was
[00:12:45] founded by Chiche, Minuto Uno was founded by
[00:12:47] Chiche, he was always restless, he never
[00:12:51] conformed, uh, and every time he came to see you,
[00:12:55] he'd say, I have a new project, and you'd say, but you don't stop, Chiche, I can't
[00:12:58] stop, and I believe that
[00:13:01] he was an example, right? Uh, obviously, someone might have
[00:13:05] gotten angry with Chiche once because I don't know which one of you used the word that he
[00:13:09] got angry, right? He got very angry, he was very crabby,
[00:13:12] Chiche, we fought on air, Daniel,
[00:13:15] continuously, but I love that, I think
[00:13:19] he did it, he did it out of professionalism, it's
[00:13:22] passion, exactly, without any doubt.
[00:13:25] Chiche leaves a void in all of us today, and without a doubt we
[00:13:29] will miss him. There is no, there is no replacement for Chiche,
[00:13:33] no, no, no, no, there are
[00:13:35] positions in the team that when that player leaves, there's a
[00:13:39] void, and a good goal, and today there's a
[00:13:43] void. You know, he always talked about his past and
[00:13:46] his childhood and his, how he
[00:13:49] entered the world of journalism, he's not a guy who
[00:13:52] had the studies like the vast majority.
[00:14:05] the street, exactly, and with this I ask him, for many years, for many
[00:14:08] years, uh, Argentina and the world in general
[00:14:12] had self-taught journalists who perhaps
[00:14:15] were much more well-read than those who passed or had the
[00:14:19] luck to pass through a journalism school. Uh,
[00:14:23] Chiche, when I had the luck to work also at
[00:14:26] Editorial Atlántida, where when I arrived, Chiche was already a
[00:14:30] legend, and when you read Chiche's
[00:14:33] notes written by him, signed by him,
[00:14:37] they had a uncommon
[00:14:39] distinction. Chiche was also a good writer, then he
[00:14:43] transformed into a television and radio
[00:14:46] personality, but not Daniel. Yes, also, also
[00:14:49] a person who, when the camera turned on, you noticed Chiche's
[00:14:53] happiness, even if he looked serious, you could tell inside
[00:14:56] that the guy was happy. Uh, you
[00:14:59] think that in recent times his health wasn't good,
[00:15:03] that the guy suffered because he realized that maybe he wasn't
[00:15:07] at 100% of his strength, of his
[00:15:09] energy, but however, when he finished
[00:15:13] on air, he felt an emptiness, the guy wanted to go back on air and he wasn't feeling
[00:15:17] well and he went to work anyway, his family can tell this. Not long
[00:15:21] ago he interviewed you in this house.
[00:15:46] that is being lost sometimes in the interview, the ability to
[00:15:49] listen many times, uh, especially
[00:15:52] with younger people, perhaps because they still don't have the security
[00:15:56] that a Chiche Gelblum had, many times the person who is
[00:15:59] asking is thinking about the next question instead of listening to the
[00:16:02] interviewee's answer.
[00:16:06] Uh, and maybe he would interrupt you and say: why
[00:16:10] do you use that word? Wow, and that is
[00:16:14] the product of a generation that, unfortunately, is
[00:16:17] being lost in the profession. Would you have liked him to interview you now
[00:16:20] with this possibility,
[00:16:23] this chance that many of us talk about, which is
[00:16:27] a Daniel Hadad presidential candidate, because one thing is Daniel Hadad
[00:16:30] journalist, this owner of media, uh,
[00:16:33] businessman, and another thing is Daniel Hadad candidate or possible candidate for
[00:16:37] president with Chiche, would you have liked it? I, I tell you the
[00:16:41] truth, I never said no to Chiche for an
[00:16:44] interview.
[00:16:47] The times that, no one can say no to him, no one can say no to him, but also out of the
[00:16:50] respect I have for him, I have the gratitude. When
[00:16:53] I founded and set up Radio 10, uh, at
[00:16:57] first very few people wanted to come work because no one knew what the project
[00:17:01] was about. We put together something like the Branca Armada,
[00:17:05] lions, right? We took
[00:17:08] from everywhere, Chichi at that moment was on a radio that I think was Radio
[00:17:11] Libertad, if I'm not
[00:17:13] mistaken,
[00:17:16] and it wasn't first, and it wasn't first, it was, I don't know, in the middle of the
[00:17:19] table, and we brought together a lot of very
[00:17:22] talented people who weren't first. Now, when we put them
[00:17:25] all to work together, and Chiche was a fundamental
[00:17:29] part of that team, uh, we made the
[00:17:32] most successful radio station that Argentina had at that time. What was it like
[00:17:36] working in print with him? Uh,
[00:17:39] the... I didn't work in print with him, I didn't
[00:17:43] work, but I collected many testimonials
[00:17:46] from both people at Editorial Atlántida and people at
[00:17:49] Ámbito Financiero. Let's remember that at one point Chiche,
[00:17:53] back in the mid-90s or late
[00:17:56] 90s, started making "Memoria" on Channel 9,
[00:18:00] of course, but he didn't abandon print because he said,
[00:18:03] "I need to write," and it wasn't an economic issue, it was his need to...
[00:18:07] to put into written words what he
[00:18:10] wanted, what he thought, and he worked at Ámbito
[00:18:14] Financiero, it's worth it at some point to collect those
[00:18:18] articles that undoubtedly show the Gelblum style,
[00:18:21] right? And there are many people at Editorial Atlántida who I'm sure
[00:18:25] are remembering him today, I don't know, Gabriela Cociffi, for example, many who
[00:18:29] worked with him, Luján Gutiérrez, I'm going to forget
[00:18:32] important names, but today surely
[00:18:36] that whole group from Atlántida that worked with Chiche on
[00:18:40] Gente magazine will also be sad. Uh, Daniel, what
[00:18:43] do you see that journalism is lacking today in the new
[00:18:47] generations that Chiche had? For example, one could say
[00:18:51] that well, he was a very controversial figure, brilliant but
[00:18:54] disruptive too, right? Because he could go with anything, now
[00:18:57] what do you see, what difference do you see between that school of journalism that he
[00:19:01] practically founded and leaves his mark, his legacy, with the new
[00:19:05] generations? Well, the new times are marking something
[00:19:08] that is not just a phenomenon in Argentina, but a worldwide
[00:19:12] phenomenon that the phone started to distract so
[00:19:16] much that it makes people today not read much.
[00:19:20] Uh, in Chiche's generation, of Alfredo
[00:19:23] Serra, who were contemporaries, uh,
[00:19:26] reading was, I don't know, sometimes
[00:19:29] I see Alberto Amato, another of that
[00:19:33] generation, and every time he passes by my office, he comes with a book
[00:19:36] of a type.
[00:19:43] In any free moment he has, he starts reading a book. Uh, I have the feeling that Chiche is the exponent of that
[00:19:47] self-taught but very cultured
[00:19:49] generation. Perhaps he doesn't have a doctorate
[00:19:53] in anything, but Chiche's
[00:19:57] the average of any of the new generation.
[00:20:01] Studied kids, there are kids who graduate with degrees and
[00:20:05] master's degrees and they don't have.
[00:20:15] I don't know if you remember Daniel, just like it was in another era, look at the times I'm talking about, Antonio Carrizo who hadn't even finished elementary school and was a super well-read guy, super well-read,
[00:20:19] impressive, exactly, absolutely,
[00:20:21] I think perhaps I wouldn't generalize, but I do recognize
[00:20:24] that for the vast majority today people get their information
[00:20:28] more from audiovisual things than
[00:20:31] from reading, and when we see
[00:20:34] yesterday in Argentina, yesterday was also a very sad day. When we learned the
[00:20:38] results of the PISA tests to see
[00:20:41] the decline of our children in educational matters, in
[00:20:45] mathematics and in language, uh, and in
[00:20:48] reading and in comprehension capacity. I say, uh, what
[00:20:52] a pity, honestly, when I see Chiche, I say, he didn't
[00:20:56] need anyone to force him to read so much text,
[00:20:59] he read by himself, he had an infinite curiosity, he exercised
[00:22:59] you used a word that is fashionable today, empathy, more than anything else,
[00:23:03] it's a word that is blamed on the government today, some
[00:23:07] say they lack empathy, others say no, that it's not necessary or that they
[00:23:10] have it, uh,
[00:23:13] and politicians, I want to ask you this, you are a person of great experience,
[00:23:17] did politicians fear the interview with Chiche,
[00:23:21] because one thing is the interview with that journalist perhaps
[00:23:24] who has a more fluid, close relationship, but with
[00:23:28] Chiche, you know, he had a special way of asking, distinct, different,
[00:23:32] this thing you pointed out about knowing how to listen in order to be able to ask a follow-up question, he was
[00:23:34] unimpeachable.
[00:23:39] Did politicians fear Chiche? I wouldn't use the word
[00:23:42] fear, they respected him,
[00:23:45] respect, but he was a type
[00:23:48] who
[00:23:51] who would never hit you below the belt, it seems to
[00:23:54] me that when you sat down in a TV or radio studio
[00:23:58] with Chiche, you knew he set the rules, but they were
[00:24:02] rules that are commonly used,
[00:24:06] he didn't break scandalous
[00:24:08] rules, obviously he could make you uncomfortable, yes, well
[00:24:12] that's the function of the one who interviews, but he always did
[00:24:16] it, I don't know, maintaining appearances.
[00:24:20] I believe, never, no, no, I repeat, if you tell
[00:24:24] me to synthesize the name
[00:24:26] Chiche Gelblum, uh, or with one or two
[00:24:30] words, I would say gentleman journalist, gentleman
[00:24:33] journalist, look at that, what a great
[00:25:45] No, what a beautiful definition, Mr.
[00:25:49] Journalist, so simple and so forceful, uh master, those
[00:25:53] words that ennoble, no, and it is the
[00:25:56] reward for so much effort, guys, because there is no better recognition than that of your peers,
[00:26:00] it is the best, it is totally. It is the
[00:26:02] only one and and another thing, people can recognize you, people can
[00:26:06] love you, they can hate you, they can stop you or show
[00:26:10] indifference, but the recognition of a journalist, there is no better
[00:26:13] recognition than that of his parents, totally, the respect of your parents, when your
[00:26:17] parents start calling you master,
[00:26:20] because you already did things well, you transcended to another level, I think he was
[00:26:23] a jerk, as you say, that he got angry, that this and that, it was
[00:26:27] within that perfectionism he got angry within the rigorousness of the
[00:26:30] conception he had of journalism.
[00:26:32] He got angry because he uh, I'm going to tell some
[00:26:36] indiscretions,
[00:26:38] uh, when we go on air, we obviously have a
[00:26:42] routine with an x number of topics, he was an animal, sorry that
[00:26:46] I'm going to repeat the word, he was a journalistic
[00:26:49] animal, but also a political animal, he liked to dabble in all
[00:26:53] political topics, sometimes the daily agenda brings
[00:26:56] other topics to the table that are not political, and
[00:27:00] he, Cintia or...
[00:27:03] like some of his executive producers
[00:27:06] and
[00:27:08] even yelling at them on air, getting angry, and you hear
[00:27:12] him yelling, it was because he was getting angry,
[00:27:15] pissed off with his executive producers, and I'm going to take one of the
[00:27:19] phrases that Daniel said, that this last time, clearly his
[00:27:23] body was taking a toll, Chichi had two
[00:27:26] moments, the last, the
[00:27:28] last part, where we would do the pass and I would see him
[00:27:32] enter, first I'm going to tell an indiscretion, Chichi was the
[00:27:36] only journalist we have had on the show who followed
[00:27:39] us and who an hour before he was sitting back there
[00:27:43] and what he did was ask, he would put on his earpiece and was attentive
[00:27:47] to every topic and what he did was ask
[00:27:50] the sound engineers to put the
[00:27:53] return for him to listen to an hour of our show before going
[00:27:57] on air, many times when he got angry and corrected you on air if you
[00:28:00] made a mistake.
[00:28:09] What's more, he's one of the only people I remember who an hour
[00:28:13] before is already sitting there listening to the previous show, well that's being a great journalist, you
[00:28:17] realize, at his age, when he didn't need that, but I'll stick with, you know, two words that
[00:28:21] Daniel also said, not to overlook uh
[00:28:24] passion and purpose, journalism has to
[00:28:47] great professional,
[00:28:49] like those who perhaps mark a
[00:28:53] path for us, no, not because I am a journalist, but
[00:28:56] they mark a path for you in terms of the responsibility of the
[00:29:00] job, just now
[00:29:04] you were saying that an hour before the
[00:29:07] shows he was sitting yes, in the
[00:29:11] previous show waiting for it to end, surely
[00:29:14] thinking and producing the
[00:29:17] show that was coming from him, that
[00:29:20] is seen little today perhaps, you know more because
[00:29:24] you are in the channels going around, perhaps due to lack of
[00:29:27] time or due to the need to have another
[00:29:31] job, hm?
[00:29:33] But but Chicha was like that, I
[00:30:21] say the care he gave, he gave, for example, now
[00:30:24] you find me doing a job with my
[00:30:28] kinesiologist Eduardo Martín and a respiratory job
[00:30:33] and I told Chiche that
[00:30:37] we have to take care of ourselves and he told
[00:30:39] me yes, but the job and it's true, working was good for him
[00:30:43] it was good for him
[00:30:46] for this, it's interesting because it's true what you say, in fact
[00:30:49] we were telling anecdotes a while ago regarding this anger of Chiche for
[00:30:53] anyone who told him "Chiche, take care of yourself, you were hospitalized,
[00:30:56] you left, you fell again, take care of yourself, stay with your family."