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[00:00:00] I mean, no, he wasn't a political journalist. I think the
[00:00:03] relationship with Javier Miley, because Javier Miley wasn't a
[00:00:07] politician, a member of the entertainment world, joining the show
[00:00:09] uh, Milera, a character
[00:00:15] and oxygenation, I don't know if throat, you know, and it happens to from the entertainment world, not from politics, he becomes president, obviously that transforms the character.
[00:00:18] So I think Chiche's relationship was with the entertainment
[00:00:21] character, and then with the president he didn't have him anymore because Chiche didn't have
[00:00:25] relationships with presidents because his job wasn't
[00:00:29] to put it that way. He didn't want to win the Pulitzer, Chiche didn't
[00:00:33] you didn't expect, want to be a member of the National Academy of Journalism, Chiche wanted to be
[00:00:36] popular and he succeeded,
[00:00:39] obviously with growth, but if they are different objectives,
[00:00:43] he is not I am sure he knew very few, very few
[00:00:46] presidents, while most presidents, political journalists
[00:00:50] know all presidents, of course, that was not his, that was not his
[00:00:53] objective, I think in the case of my law it's because
[00:00:56] he empathized in that attitude.
[00:01:00] The off-center attitude that my law had, that he was a character from the
[00:01:03] entertainment world, not politics, before entering politics, exactly, yes, but
[00:01:06] after that interview where
[00:01:09] newsroom full of Chiche had asked him about issues of price, inflation, Milain got very angry, to put it in context,
[00:01:14] Normita, what did Jorge and Chiche ended up calling my law a madman
[00:01:17] in recent times, no,
[00:01:19] said he was a vegan and didn't eat meat and those regarding his presidency, well, he was before, nothing more than he
[00:01:23] classified him there, he was if nobody is at a certain moment something
[00:01:27] so different from what it was before, no, but it's there. you're putting
[00:01:30] yourself, that is, the clash is because Chiche kept
[00:01:34] interviewing the member of the entertainment world with the same impertinence and now the
[00:01:37] president was not the same man who was there, Jorge, thanks to that
[00:01:41] interview with Chiche today, several boys and girls owe him educational
[00:01:44] vouchers because in that interview he mentions
[00:01:48] the topic of education and my law comes out
[00:01:51] to invent a program that was not yet implemented.
[00:01:54] Well, not
[00:01:57] you instinctively, to say, implemented, but the vouchers had been announced in the campaign, right? Yes, but it's not implemented. And my law took it as a
[00:02:01] fact, so obviously the interview leaves him quite
[00:02:05] stumbling and he has to come
[00:02:08] At some point he spoke about out and do something very quickly, not that, and obviously also the issue of pensions, housewives,
[00:02:12] he always defended housewives very much and that's why I think he was the
[00:02:15] only one who spoke well of Lilita Carrió, he always threw
[00:02:19] her a center with the issue that she had been one of the
[00:02:23] impulses, he was a journalist concerned
[00:02:26] not about power but about people, journalists... naturally
[00:02:31] have their focus on power, on people
[00:02:35] who change the lives of other
[00:02:38] people, and Chiche was a person who was
[00:02:40] focused on common people, so
[00:02:44] that was Chiche's strong point,
[00:02:46] coincidentally these two issues you mention are not a coincidence, he wasn't talking about
[00:02:50] macroeconomics or that the dollar was undervalued,
[00:02:53] a clear example, Chiche's
[00:02:56] uh, let's see, look at focus, Chiche's great capacity was
[00:02:58] centered on his intuition,
[00:03:02] civic sensitivity, that's what he always
[00:03:05] had, at his age, I think you might agree, Jorge, he spoke
[00:03:09] of a guy with empathy, of
[00:03:11] understanding what people were
[00:03:27] about the
[00:03:28] shoes, I even issue of Chiche being Chiche, you
[00:03:31] said, no, today perhaps this journalism was
[00:03:34] replicated in other television programs, it was
[00:03:37] copied, but Chiche 40 years
[00:03:41] ago was also the same Chiche that we saw today doing
[00:03:45] an autopsy on an extraterrestrial,
[00:03:48] doing things that were really crazy for television,
[00:03:51] they were crazy for different media,
[00:03:55] tell me a little about that time, how it was to
[00:03:58] experience that Chiche, that young Chiche, a
[00:04:02] paradigm in journalism for me, but
[00:04:26] I agree that there was
[00:04:29] always that eccentric position, he always
[00:04:32] looked, as they say, outside the box,
[00:04:36] uh, he was not
[00:04:37] memories, also, one of formatted uh by the
[00:04:41] conditions of possibility of each of the spaces, he always
[00:04:45] stretched the conditions of possibility of each of the
[00:04:48] spaces, uh, and in that resided his
[00:04:51] singularity, he was always singular, he was always
[00:05:13] passed because we are seeing it, it's a photograph in a
[00:05:16] newsroom clearly, uh, describe the moment please,
[00:05:20] Jorge, well, that was Chiche Director of the week, he was less than
[00:05:23] 30 years old, and
[00:05:26] we are in the newsroom, he was
[00:05:30] he took us,
[00:05:32] he was a generation older than us, he took us all different amounts of years,
[00:05:36] 10, 15, 20 years in what
[00:05:40] we formed the newsroom, we were very young. He was a
[00:05:43] master in that circumstance and as you see him in his
[00:05:47] pose he was a kind of orchestra conductor,
[00:05:50] eh he always had
[00:05:52] eh an elegance that
[00:05:56] distinguished him always a
[00:05:58] detail he was fired from Gente magazine
[00:06:02] because he always fought with Somos magazine and
[00:06:05] they would make
[00:06:08] jokes from one newsroom to the other and the last
[00:06:12] thing he did, which I think was the reason for his dismissal, is that when
[00:06:15] those from Somos magazine arrived at the Atlántida newsroom, they
[00:06:19] found the entire
[00:06:22] prawns
[00:06:25] and on the floor and champagne wetting the
[00:06:29] chairs, no, so it didn't dirty the
[00:06:31] newsroom with the message, it was always
[00:06:35] he was a person
[00:06:36] uh
[00:06:39] I could say joyful in the absolute sense.
[00:06:48] when most journalists, uh, more, uh, uh, renowned, on the contrary, are circumspect, no, that's why
[00:06:51] we have to place each one in that taxonomy with what each one has to
[00:06:55] contribute, journalism is a beautiful, wonderful position and it has
[00:06:58] multiple facets in which we can fulfill our
[00:07:02] mission and serve the public. Chiche had
[00:07:05] that, no, that is, he was continuously joyful and
[00:07:09] continuously focused. He used to see most people, Jorge
[00:07:20] course it is difficult for our colleagues
[00:07:24] on air, you also at some
[00:07:27] point to hold back tears, no, I'll stick with that
[00:07:30] fun Chiche, that Chiche who filled you with
[00:07:34] anecdotes, who taught you, who reprimanded you,
[00:07:37] eh, or who brought you into different
[00:07:41] projects. I can't help but glance at the
[00:07:44] screen at a journey through Chichi's journalistic
[00:07:47] and personal life, no, at a moment when I see
[00:07:51] Sofi in Qatar, no, this is the playful Chiche, we can
[00:07:55] say it that way, you are showing a credential, you are showing
[00:07:58] something, we also fought in Qatar,
[00:08:01] constantly, you fought in Qatar too, a lot of
[00:08:04] personality but with a very particular humor he
[00:08:08] had and with Leo too and with Chelo we lived with Marcelito
[00:08:12] of course.
[00:08:44] We bid farewell to Chiche at Loyola
[00:08:48] 1139,
[00:08:52] at 3 p.m., last
[00:08:55] farewell at the Tablada
[00:08:58] cemetery.
[00:09:05] Well, there's the address for anyone who wants to join and say
[00:09:09] goodbye to Chiche, our beloved Chiche, they can do it, no.
[00:09:12] I, 1139, and if not at the Tablada cemetery, there they can
[00:09:16] at 3 p.m. they can say their last goodbye too,
[00:09:19] accompany the family, those of us who will be there
[00:09:22] surely, uh, he gave
[00:09:28] the tie he gave me, very well, one day I complimented
[00:09:31] his tie because you said he was very elegant, it's true, he always wore
[00:09:35] something elegant and smelled of a spectacular perfume,
[00:09:38] impeccable.
[00:09:42] He should have given him some cufflinks because he also praised those things, he always had a
[00:09:46] touch of class, it's true, two messages, Gastón, and he calls us on
[00:09:49] the mobile with 53 43 49 44, the
[00:09:53] people keep sending tremendous messages, look at this girl's
[00:09:55] name, well, Rochi, a legend of journalism is
[00:09:59] gone, I'm 24 years old, they saw when they say that kids don't
[00:10:03] pay attention to old journalists anymore, well, 24 years old, she listens, she says
[00:10:07] I grew up watching him, the truth is that no one has the vibe he had,
[00:10:10] goodbye Chiche forever.
[00:10:25] and experiences, no, with Chiche precisely because they were his
[00:10:28] colleagues, now what happens with the people who
[00:10:31] are at home and that Chiche entered their home every
[00:10:35] day, no, that in some way he
[00:10:38] was the company of those people, no, well, we are with
[00:10:41] Norma, she is from Corrientes, eh,
[00:10:44] she declares herself a fan of Chiche, no, because you followed
[00:10:48] him for many years, you liked his interviews very much, his
[00:10:52] live appearances, you learned a lot of things too. No
[00:10:55] Norma, that's right, I learned
[00:10:58] many things, he kept me company, I especially
[00:11:02] came to I would have liked more to
[00:11:06] meet him personally and not this way, but well, it's a
[00:11:10] way to be here, to
[00:11:12] send a lot of love to his family and tell them that I loved Chiche very much
[00:11:16] and that I admired him, that in my
[00:11:19] town he was seen
[00:11:22] followed him so unfortunately,
[00:11:26] I feel at this moment having to come here to
[00:11:29] say goodbye, so to speak, but well, uh, I wanted
[00:11:33] to tell Chiche that I loved you very much in some
[00:11:36] way,
[00:11:39] you like about Chiche, what did you, what
[00:11:42] did you think was the best thing about Chiche
[00:11:44] Helblum, his way of
[00:11:46] interviewing, ah, his humor, come on, come on, Normita,
[00:11:50] come on,
[00:11:52] yes, I liked his humor uh. his way of being, his
[00:11:56] his things, uh,
[00:11:58] how he said things, as they should be, so to speak, uh, he was
[00:12:02] direct and well, I liked that, yes, you became
[00:12:05] a fan because you discovered him on radio
[00:12:08] or in print or on Crónica on
[00:12:12] television, did you inherit him from your family, from your mom, from your
[00:12:15] dad,
[00:12:18] no, no, I always watched him on Crónica, because in
[00:12:22] my town Crónica is watched a lot, yes. I'm
[00:12:25] from a town in Montes Caseros, Corrientes,
[00:12:27] so
[00:12:32] I admired him, I spent hours watching him and
[00:12:36] laughing and well I also learned, no, because he was very
[00:12:40] wise, uh-huh, he was very intelligent,
[00:12:43] knowledgeable, a man with
[00:12:46] a lot of audacity, right, that's how we can define
[00:12:48] Norma,
[00:12:51] yes, he was different, a different one, truly.
[00:12:55] Well, this,
[00:12:58] unfortunately you have to say goodbye this way, no,
[00:13:02] this, there are many people who come to Avenida Garay 140 to meet Chiche,
[00:13:06] to take a picture with Chiche, eh, this happens
[00:13:09] to you at the worst of times, no, Normita, but it's interesting,
[00:13:13] also if you want to leave a flower, each
[00:13:15] one, but I'm very
[00:13:18] grateful,
[00:13:21] uh, anyway for being here close to me. I was coming
[00:13:25] from work, hmm, I had some mate, I found out and I said
[00:13:29] no, I have to go because well, in some way I have to
[00:13:32] be there, what did you do, on Sundays you watched Crónica for
[00:13:35] Chiche, every Sunday you watched
[00:13:37] Chiche,
[00:13:40] yes, now on Sundays no, because here he usually appeared
[00:13:43] on Sundays, but during the week
[00:13:47] yes, when he was at noon you mean, well, I was attentive when he was at
[00:13:51] noon at 12, yes, I was attentive, sure, sure, yes,
[00:13:56] he was on different channels, no, I yes, sure, you never had
[00:14:00] the chance to approach a radio or one of the
[00:14:03] channels to ask for a photo, you didn't
[00:14:05] dare
[00:14:08] uh, the thing is I've been working here for 8 months, oh, just recently,
[00:14:11] right, right, just recently.
[00:14:15] No, how nice the messages, uh, from the people who don't go to the political channel, not
[00:14:19] political, this different sector of society
[00:14:22] who wouldn't tell you, take a picture of me, I'm telling you because we were always
[00:14:26] next to him, with Sofi, take a picture of me with Chiche, it was having
[00:14:30] a picture with Chiche, it was hugging someone from
[00:14:33] journalism, someone important, no, we thank you
[00:14:36] very much, Facu, thank you very much for this contact, uh, Patricia
[00:14:40] Bullrich is connected at this moment, uh, hello
[00:14:44] Patricia, good morning, the whole real-time team greets
[00:14:47] you, yes, how are you, very sad about
[00:14:50] the a character, a genius.
[00:14:55] A person who had journalism in his soul
[00:14:58] and I always had a special relationship with him, why?
[00:15:02] Always when I went and because every time I went to the channel he
[00:15:06] told me you are a strange character, you are a politician who
[00:15:10] is kind of outside the others in these own votes he
[00:15:14] always told me and every time there was an election in which
[00:15:17] I had a role and he told me you see I told you I
[00:15:21] warned you I feel it in the street so we had a very
[00:15:24] very close relationship and well, whenever he
[00:15:27] invited me I went,
[00:15:30] uh, I have been to all his formats, how many years have you known
[00:15:34] Chiche Patricia, and what do I know, I don't know. We can
[00:15:37] say 35 years, something
[00:15:40] like that, eh, a long time, no, because
[00:15:44] he came and went with political programs and with programs
[00:15:48] where he had debates,
[00:15:51] eh, he and Mauro were like the first ones who
[00:15:54] debated, no, yes, sure, yes, yes, yes, Patricia, what
[00:15:58] did you face when you knew that you had an interview with Chiche,
[00:16:02] well, questions out of the box, no,
[00:16:06] eh, suddenly, suddenly he would come up with a question that
[00:16:11] that was totally about something else, no, and he would
[00:16:14] come up with totally disruptive questions, so it was very
[00:16:17] interesting because you had to be very sharp because
[00:16:21] if you went with the cassette that you sometimes have in your head and the things you always
[00:16:24] answer, well, with him you
[00:16:27] couldn't because he would always ask you an outside question as
[00:16:31] if to say uh he would come up with different
[00:16:35] things, do you like dogs he would say.
[00:16:44] Yes, of course, do you cook and what is your favorite
[00:16:47] food with things like that, well, but after that came the
[00:16:50] worst, no, I see, after that came the worst question after that
[00:16:54] Patricia, you know that too, yes, but
[00:16:57] always with good vibes, never with malice, you know, in fact
[00:17:00] Patricia, on Sunday we had the opportunity to have him here,
[00:17:04] Chiche, eh, yes, and he spoke. And
[00:17:08] he spoke about retirees in particular and
[00:17:11] he said that they couldn't keep beating
[00:17:15] up retirees on Wednesdays, I wish you had heard
[00:17:18] Patricia because he took 3 minutes
[00:17:21] of his program to talk directly about that and to
[00:17:25] say that that couldn't keep happening,
[00:17:28] but that doesn't happen, that doesn't happen, no, it doesn't, no,
[00:17:31] no, well, too bad I couldn't talk to him, he's already gone.
[00:17:35] And well, I say it because
[00:17:39] I think Chiche wanted to leave a message that Sunday, if
[00:17:42] not he would say it uh hopefully, well, they can
[00:17:46] review it, surely, yes, of course, that
[00:17:48] is, uh nowadays every Wednesday and
[00:17:52] now that I'm in the Senate I see it more and more calmly
[00:17:55] uh more and more coexistence
[00:17:59] and and more and more, well, things like this, no, that
[00:18:02] perhaps the people who go are more activists, younger
[00:18:06] people. Uh, but each time with more coexistence, I
[00:18:10] ask you, I got hooked on something you just answered and
[00:18:13] we talked with great journalists and
[00:18:17] media entrepreneurs, Daniel, Adad, Jorge Contevequia, among
[00:18:20] others, and he said that they said that Chiche was not
[00:18:24] a political journalist, but that he was a great interviewer of
[00:18:28] politicians and you just left something, no, this
[00:18:31] in your definition of this
[00:18:34] out-of-the-box question, at some point he gave you advice when
[00:18:38] the camera light went out after the interview or in the middle of the interview, I don't
[00:18:42] know, he was a giver of advice and
[00:18:44] always and you took it, did he give you any
[00:18:47] advice, yes, he always gave me advice, he always told me you continue
[00:18:51] on your path, you, uh, you have
[00:18:55] your own votes, you don't mix with others, you continue on your
[00:18:58] path, he told me, he always told me the same
[00:19:02] sometimes my husband would accompany me and he would tell me, you know that uh your wife
[00:19:06] has her own votes? Uh, I feel it on the street,
[00:19:09] he always told me, in the federal capital, you walk around here in the city,
[00:19:13] so he told me, you continue on that path, always continue on your path, he told me,
[00:19:17] and yes, always, always, uh, the truth is that
[00:19:21] he was a guy, uh, it's true that he wasn't a political journalist,
[00:19:25] he wasn't a typical political journalist, but he liked
[00:19:28] politics, yes, a lot, a lot, uh, yes,
[00:19:32] so uh, he had
[00:19:35] like a dedication, uh, to
[00:19:39] politics every now and then, no, suddenly he would come out with a
[00:19:43] completely different program but
[00:19:47] uh with with
[00:19:50] people, that's what I want to talk about, because I think all of
[00:19:54] us who knew Chiche in front of the camera and behind
[00:19:57] the camera naturally have this double experience,
[00:20:00] no, obviously you were always a politician and your first
[00:20:04] closeness with him was in interviews, yes. But behind
[00:20:08] the camera there was another Chiche, tell me a little about that
[00:20:10] Chiche, well, he was
[00:20:13] a, sometimes, uh
[00:20:17] totally and suddenly he was in a bad mood because
[00:20:20] some part of the production had done
[00:20:23] something he didn't like, they hadn't put it at a distance, sure, sometimes
[00:20:27] he had to use some element, I don't know, you know, so he didn't have it
[00:20:31] at a sufficient distance and the team and I tell
[00:20:35] them you know I have to do this and
[00:20:38] so I would see him sometimes very friendly
[00:20:42] and very chummy and sometimes with his ducks
[00:20:46] flying, right, what was your reaction, Patricia, because you know
[00:20:50] I used to laugh because, let's say, it's like
[00:20:53] that happens to us, you know, sometimes you're with your team
[00:20:57] and everything goes well and sometimes you want to grab someone by the
[00:21:03] us all and besides it's not a thing, if it's a
[00:21:06] proponent you say, well, this is a total killjoy but it wasn't a
[00:21:09] proponent thing, it was like a very
[00:21:12] particular thing also Patricia Patricia I have a question because many
[00:21:16] journalists interviewed you.
[00:21:23] Politician, why don't journalists like that emerge? Well, what do I know, now I think
[00:21:27] there are some there on the Crónica channel, some that are
[00:21:30] kind of disruptive that mix entertainment with
[00:21:34] politics, I think there are some young ones emerging,
[00:21:37] we have to see them, we have to see them, I sometimes when I see a
[00:21:40] new one that has that same disruption or
[00:21:44] that is, it's that, that it's not a single
[00:21:48] one, it's multifaceted, that it has. in different topics
[00:21:51] uh, but don't worry, you
[00:21:54] know that he always said, at least to
[00:21:58] us, uh, that his political orientation
[00:22:02] was to be a communist, he also said he was a vegan and ate
[00:22:05] meat, that he didn't eat meat, he also
[00:22:09] who know him said he ate, but I want to ask you this because you know that
[00:22:13] many times in politics, much more in recent years, in recent
[00:22:16] decades, journalists have joined
[00:22:19] to work politically, beyond the
[00:22:22] differences that Chiche might have with the political ideology of
[00:22:26] Chiche, would you have liked to have characters like Chiche in your
[00:22:28] team, did you find him interesting to be in the political
[00:22:32] ranks, did you find him an interesting man when it came to entering
[00:22:58] whether he ever thought he had surely been
[00:23:01] offered
[00:23:04] in 2005 when Moria was a candidate for deputy,
[00:23:06] there was the idea that the topic of celebrities and
[00:23:10] politics was returning, he had also offered Palito to return to politics,
[00:23:14] Chiche too, and I remember Chiche at that time, I wouldn't get into politics for anything.
[00:23:17] política.
[00:23:20] not because he didn't want to, but because he would go to every channel that criticized
[00:23:23] him and he wouldn't put up with it, uh he told me that what would bother him most was
[00:23:27] the opinion of his colleagues,
[00:23:31] no, but he always said that entering Crónica,
[00:23:35] uh, generated a master's degree in life with people, so he got so close
[00:23:39] to people, a lot of empathy, a lot of empathy, sometimes he was horrified in
[00:23:42] some mobile homes when he saw the conditions people lived in, have you ever seen Chiche cry,
[00:23:46] forgive me, because you're crying for Chiche, you've been crying
[00:23:50] until recently, but have you ever seen Chiche cry, I think the last ones and in what,
[00:23:54] in what note, do you remember, he got emotional in many, but the last
[00:23:58] deaths, Mauro's hit him
[00:24:01] Lanata's, I saw him very sad there, uh-huh, very
[00:24:05] sad, when he told me, Tota's also,
[00:24:08] Gastón is right, eh, and when he told me
[00:24:12] stories about his sister that he
[00:24:42] I also wanted to mention another case that deeply moved Chiche, the
[00:24:46] girl Morena in Lanús, remember they punched her to steal her cell phone. That
[00:24:50] case was the one that made him feel a lot, he had
[00:24:54] thought there would be a breaking point in Argentine society regarding
[00:24:57] security and that breaking point never existed, he also said that
[00:25:00] on air, well, here are other messages, look, when I saw the news, I couldn't
[00:25:04] believe it, I said my childhood is gone, I used to watch him when I
[00:25:07] was little with my dad, I always
[00:25:11] the tongue told you things, he was a beautiful person.
[00:25:14] Greetings from Río
[00:25:24] Well, and someone who has many
[00:25:27] the last people who worked with Chiche is Mercedes Cordero, yes, who
[00:25:31] was precisely on Sunday, uh, on channel
[00:25:34] 9, clear, hosting with Chiche, and this situation
[00:25:38] caught her attention a lot, because you saw him very well,
[00:25:40] Mercedes. Uh, hello everyone, uh,
[00:25:44] yes, the truth is that obviously I'm surprised
[00:25:47] because, uh, let's see, it was public knowledge, and
[00:25:51] we all saw it during the last months, this 2026,
[00:25:54] uh, it hit Chiche quite hard health-wise,
[00:25:58] because this was already his fourth hospitalization, uh, but the
[00:26:01] truth is that he had fought much more
[00:26:04] complex situations at a clinical level, so when I found out
[00:26:07] yesterday that, well, that
[00:26:11] he was indeed hospitalized and that it was due to
[00:26:14] difficulty breathing
[00:26:17] it's a matter of denial or what, but I kind of
[00:26:21] minimized it, you know, like I said, well, they'll have him for two or three
[00:26:25] days until they stabilize him, and I even took it for
[00:26:28] granted that, that the Sunday program would happen,
[00:26:31] and that... that everything would continue with absolute normality,
[00:26:35] I mean, no, no, I didn't imagine this outcome, I don't know if he's
[00:26:38] listening to us, no, and saving, and saving the
[00:26:41] differences, how are you, Anabela, Daniel, Sofi, all the Crónica team
[00:26:45] greets you, saving the differences, I think
[00:26:48] something similar happened to us, clear, something similar happened
[00:26:52] to us with what happened with Diego Maradona, no, that he would have those relapses,
[00:26:55] they would take him to some kind of hospitalization, and then he would be
[00:26:58] seen two days later as if nothing had happened in his programs, surely.
[00:27:02] It must have happened to you that sometime he would leave a hospitalization and
[00:27:06] go to work on Sunday as if nothing had happened.
[00:27:10] Yes, obviously, obviously, in fact, the last hospitalization,
[00:27:14] that long one he had that lasted almost a month and a half,
[00:27:16] uh, the first interview he did, uh, we recorded it at
[00:27:20] his house, and I had found out that as soon as he was discharged,
[00:27:24] that same afternoon, he went to the radio and went to
[00:27:27] Crónica, not on air, but he did go to the offices, so
[00:27:31] no, uh, so the first question I
[00:27:34] asked him was, Chiche, why did you do that? I mean, why were you discharged after a month and a half
[00:27:38] and you went to a radio and you went to a show on a television channel?
[00:27:42] And he told me, because it's what makes me feel good, it's what makes me happy,
[00:27:45] uh, and in some
[00:27:47] way, I was going to tell you that, and who
[00:27:51] are you to set the bar for another, to say, I don't know,
[00:27:54] be careful, behave well, you know, like those things that come out of
[00:28:00] you've just been discharged, like, stay, but he's a
[00:28:02] man who breathed and sweated journalism,
[00:28:06] so his natural habitat was not in
[00:28:09] his house nor in a sanatorium, it was in a radio studio, it was in a television
[00:28:13] studio, and once you understood that logic and that
[00:28:16] dynamic, uh, everything
[00:28:19] was explained, Mercedes, people might not see it, uh, Sofía
[00:28:23] greets you, how are you, I embrace you from
[00:28:25] afar, uh, people don't see it, but
[00:28:29] those of us who worked the last years alongside Chiche, we went
[00:28:33] from being, from learning, from
[00:28:35] idolizing him, from absorbing all his
[00:28:38] journalism, but to being his friends, his support, the
[00:28:42] relationship also many times with his family, to taking care of him,
[00:28:45] uh, his nurses, his, his everything, and I know
[00:28:48] you were very much behind Chiche in
[00:28:51] every step, yes, yes, yes,
[00:28:54] yes, uh, obviously,
[00:28:58] what I'm going to tell you, but I say this not to tell
[00:29:02] an indiscretion, but for something that was seen on screen, he was already going in a wheelchair to do the
[00:29:06] show in recent times, this was seen, I mean, I'm not saying anything
[00:29:10] that hasn't been seen. And in fact, I
[00:29:13] remember that one of the times, it was last Sunday, I said to him, "Oh,
[00:29:17] Chiche, you can wear shoes now," because at first, since his feet
[00:29:21] were bandaged, he used crocs, and so he needed
[00:29:24] shoes that wouldn't squeeze his feet, and when I saw that he was
[00:29:28] able to wear regular
[00:29:31] got happy about it.
[00:29:41] The only thing I noticed is that it's
[00:29:44] like, uh, I was like watching, like you said, Sofi,
[00:29:48] right? Like being there, watching to help him, that he had like a
[00:29:51] little bit of water, uh, you know when it comes out of your nose? But guys, we all have a little
[00:29:55] bit of water, it's this time of year, it's changing, you know, from spring, from the famous
[00:29:59] allergy that we all have from the trees, I mean, no, the
[00:30:03] last thing I imagined was that it was something that could become more complicated
[00:30:07] beyond being aware of getting him a tissue
[00:30:09] for, for, for when water comes out of your nose, that's all.
[00:30:13] Mercedes, I don't know if we can just
[00:30:16] hold you for a minute, because we have Freddy Villa Real, he was Chiche's
[00:30:20] imitator, guys, clear,
[00:30:23] so in fact I think there's an interview where
[00:30:27] both Chiches are together, which is very interesting, very nice
[00:30:30] and very funny today.
[00:30:33] Freddy, good morning, the whole Crónica family greets you, thank you for these minutes.
[00:30:36] Well, what was that experience like, of imitating
[00:30:39] Chichi and having him one-on-one, face-to-
[00:30:41] face?
[00:30:44] Uh, it was very positive because he has always been
[00:30:47] very cool with, with, with everything that happened in the media,
[00:30:51] and and, and he
[00:30:54] knew how to take it very, very well,
[00:30:58] so, this, the fact that he was.