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[00:01:26] he made you, in
[00:01:28] have big problems with he had told me, he told me you are
[00:01:31] pregnant and Chichi
[00:01:34] was much more than a colleague, at least for me, he was a
[00:01:37] friend,
[00:01:40] eh, even he was watching the last conversation with Chiche that was not
[00:01:43] with me, it was with my son who sent him an audio, they sent audios, they sent
[00:01:47] audios,
[00:01:50] now we give a kiss, one day we can
[00:01:53] go my mom and I to visit you one day at your
[00:01:56] house, because I
[00:01:59] Macri not to vote for miss you. I remember when I used to draw for
[00:02:02] you, I used to draw
[00:02:05] eh that he was above what giraffes and animals and everything, I loved that
[00:02:07] memory, I send you a big kiss,
[00:02:11] how are you doing, everything fine, everything
[00:02:16] but potentially one of the cool, eh, when I had a very big problem with my son's
[00:02:21] careful and never stop saying what health when Tisi was 4 years old and nothing, I remember I came
[00:02:25] to work, Sofia told me to go, this boy has a fever, my son had
[00:02:28] mumps.
[00:02:30] how are you all, today I and the guard called me and I said no, I think they have
[00:02:33] to keep him hospitalized because the problem is delicate
[00:02:37] eh where are you after 5 minutes
[00:02:41] they gave me a room, he called me every day, Cristina, I
[00:02:45] came to work because since he was hospitalized, there was a little while that I could
[00:02:48] come, I came from another
[00:02:52] years, I got planet, honestly, it's hard for me
[00:02:54] to talk about the past still,
[00:02:58] what I shared, what I just said, I
[00:03:01] think he taught us a lot, not all of us who had him close in our
[00:03:04] lives, that about the children too, eh, it's tremendous,
[00:03:08] the same thing happened to you, the same thing happened to me, my son had a speech disorder and I
[00:03:12] had, you know, private hospitals
[00:03:15] buy olam on we are talking about, eh, it takes a long time to get an appointment and
[00:03:18] it unlocked that and I was able to solve
[00:03:21] camera, but when he sat in a complex issue because then there is, I don't know, after the
[00:03:23] pandemic a lot of things and he helped me, he gave me a
[00:03:26] very much, we have gone out to Miley and managed or professional, the same, Chiche didn't want that. My
[00:03:30] God, when he sent his children, but you know
[00:03:33] that's something to tell the people behind
[00:03:37] the camera who saw the grumpy Chiche who
[00:03:40] got angry, the camera was another person, Chiche was
[00:03:43] always very
[00:03:44] this, and he always anchored it in what supportive, look today
[00:03:46] he used to help a lot of
[00:03:49] people that he didn't want to and didn't like to tell, he didn't want to
[00:03:54] a work
[00:03:55] share what I did, what tell, but he helped many people, many
[00:03:57] people not only from here, colleagues from...
[00:04:06] knew, but profoundly, the he helped many people, even strangers, eh,
[00:04:10] that's the part that, well, what you say, he was
[00:04:13] always there, I remember when, well, I had bypasses a few
[00:04:17] years ago, I called him, I told him and he told me: they are going to open
[00:04:21] you up like a chicken, he says, take care, and but
[00:04:24] immediately he told me, what do you need, do you want me to
[00:04:27] talk to someone there at the
[00:04:29] point out at noon on the chronicle, in the afternoon on the sanatorium? he picked up the phone, eh, how nice, he was
[00:04:32] like that, and you know he, he knew, he knew everything about
[00:04:36] all of us, no, he always asked me about Ámbar,
[00:04:39] eh, and I remember today when they gave me the news in the car,
[00:04:44] talked about the same thing, let's see, about what I was with Ámbar in the car, Ámbar is my daughter, and
[00:04:47] and precisely Ámbar told me, no, I
[00:04:50] couldn't believe it, because we talked a lot at home about
[00:04:53] Chiche and and I remembered even when I went to see
[00:04:56] him at his house, he made us a barbecue, because Chiche also had.
[00:05:01] box. mm and at the
[00:05:05] the whole team, eh, and at the barbecue, eh, he told ambi, look, I have a place for you and he took them to
[00:05:08] a little house, eh for her to play, he left her.
[00:05:43] we will see an exceptional
[00:05:45] and exclusive document, you will see
[00:05:49] another autopsy of
[00:05:50] unite,
[00:05:53] I want to study but I don't have a high school diploma, they ask me for a high school
[00:05:57] do, I say
[00:06:01] I need an invented diploma, find out in
[00:06:04] which place in Latin America one of your schools burned down
[00:06:08] and all that and give me a certificate
[00:06:11] that says that all my archive
[00:06:14] and Tony did it for me, I was never an adolescent, I went from child
[00:06:18] to old, I didn't have this, I
[00:06:22] didn't have jumps in that sense, no, I had a very complicated
[00:06:25] adolescence, I went home, and I spent part of the report, now we will continue watching,
[00:06:29] we will continue recognizing different moments
[00:06:32] of Chicha throughout her history in her personal and professional life, Julio Bárbaro
[00:06:35] is connected with us, hello Julio, how are you, good morning
[00:06:38] the whole family greets you, thank you, well.
[00:06:50] Chiche for me was a friend and an example of
[00:06:53] journalism, he had the two essential virtues of a
[00:06:57] journalist, a great cultural
[00:07:00] and intellectual formation and a great breadth,
[00:07:04] I would tell you today I started to think and
[00:07:08] I say, there must be few heirs, he was
[00:07:11] a man. totally, let's say,
[00:07:14] Argentine and the day he invited me to his house to eat a
[00:07:18] barbecue, he made the barbecue and served us the barbecue, how
[00:07:22] nice, and he always told me you
[00:07:25] vote wrong so I take
[00:07:29] your ID from you, that's why every time I saw him I said give me back my
[00:07:33] ID, but this
[00:07:35] mental breadth today very few
[00:07:39] have it, very cultural information.
[00:07:42] that is, they are the two virtues of a journalist, today there are
[00:07:46] followers of a cause
[00:07:50] Cristina, of anyone, but
[00:07:53] there are no intellectually
[00:07:55] formed and free journalists, Julio,
[00:07:59] tell us how he was one of the
[00:08:02] last ones, how were those barbecues, because obviously people
[00:08:05] perhaps know the professional part the most, beyond all the
[00:08:09] anecdotes there are, tell us a little bit about what that was like.
[00:08:42] to talk about everything freely, I
[00:08:45] insist on this, because there is so much
[00:08:48] sectarianism,
[00:08:50] so much fanaticism, you have to be on one side or the
[00:08:53] other,
[00:08:55] yes, he was everywhere, at some point he had only
[00:08:59] one fault, he couldn't stop working, that's
[00:09:03] true, but in those conversations you had with Chiche, at some
[00:09:07] point did you discuss politics because today everyone
[00:09:10] tells us he wasn't a journalist. politics, now he knew about
[00:09:13] politics, who, Chiche, of course, Chiche
[00:09:19] thing is that he liked to discuss,
[00:09:22] he cited me at
[00:09:25] Crónica to discuss the Jewish phenomenon
[00:09:29] where we had absolutely different
[00:09:31] visions, but he was broad-minded and so
[00:09:34] was I, so he didn't
[00:09:37] seek unity, he sought
[00:09:41] the richness of... diversity, which is life and that is
[00:09:45] journalism,
[00:09:47] well, look, you just said something, I don't know if I
[00:09:51] remember it well, but you said it a moment ago and I'm confused because there were other colleagues who
[00:09:56] Chiche has left, who can occupy Chiche's place or
[00:10:00] who can
[00:10:03] be similar to Chiche when it comes to
[00:10:06] interviewing, when it comes to
[00:10:08] practicing the profession, do you see anyone who
[00:10:11] can. uh follow those
[00:10:14] steps no, I don't see it today,
[00:10:17] I don't see it today, that's why I say the
[00:10:20] space he leaves is a challenge for
[00:10:24] those who... have a vocation for journalism, cultured
[00:10:28] and free, the two virtues they must
[00:10:31] have, Julio, you were very
[00:10:34] good friends, and
[00:10:38] he actually mentioned you with great affection, with great
[00:10:41] respect, he always wanted you to be on the
[00:10:43] shows,
[00:10:46] yes, well, because we were friends
[00:10:50] the difference, we didn't think alike, no, they would
[00:10:53] kill each other. nothing they thought alike, they always ended
[00:10:57] up re-pitching the interviews, which is important, to think
[00:11:00] differently, to respect each other, to be
[00:11:03] informed and to have level and humor, talent
[00:11:07] is given with humor, with hatred there is no
[00:11:10] talent, what differentiated you from
[00:11:14] Chiche Helblum, where did you fight more
[00:11:17] when he did these interviews that you mention,
[00:11:21] no, look, one time he was...
[00:11:25] on Radio Mitre from 10 to 12, he had just come home and told
[00:11:29] her, so since he was a
[00:11:32] provocateur he tells me you must like
[00:11:36] young girls
[00:11:39] tremendous I say if they are not grandmothers I don't
[00:11:43] go out, she was right, she
[00:11:46] tells me how, I say yes, because the grandmother's love is the
[00:11:50] grandson so you will never
[00:11:53] her and they are at a very
[00:11:57] high level of life that are beautiful and
[00:12:00] so we entered into a debate that generated a
[00:12:04] call and well, that was
[00:12:08] humor, that was talent, that
[00:12:11] was eh the richness of an open journalist
[00:12:15] and he would fight with me about everything, but he also
[00:12:19] always told me you always vote wrong, I had voted for
[00:12:24] Scioli. the only explanation was well, it was worse, but
[00:12:28] you saw that you voted for Argentina saying mine was not the
[00:12:31] worst, Julio, we'll stop here because
[00:12:35] we have Carlos Monti is about to go on air
[00:12:39] too, we also want to know
[00:12:42] his opinion, hello Carlos, how are you, the whole Crónica family greets you
[00:12:46] Carlos, it cut off, it cut off, it cut off, anyway, what Julio was
[00:12:50] saying just now eh you voted
[00:12:53] for anything, it was to say those things, he was never wrong, he would tell
[00:12:57] you, he would tell you on air, you are never wrong, and he obviously
[00:13:01] would joke with you always
[00:13:03] bad, since democracy returned we haven't hit
[00:13:07] the mark, we are the only country on the
[00:13:10] continent where poverty grows, all the others
[00:13:13] shrink, here it grows, well he was right,
[00:13:17] no absolutely, but
[00:13:20] he had the ability to have
[00:13:23] awareness of reality. without falling into
[00:13:26] pessimism, and he wasn't in the rift,
[00:13:30] notice that Chiche's last two strong interviews were with Cristina and with
[00:13:33] Miley, among the most viral in recent years, of course,
[00:13:37] Alberto, well, he didn't want to talk to Chiche, he didn't want to, I don't know, but
[00:13:40] Cristina and my law were the
[00:13:43] two, yes, yes, and very mediatic with
[00:13:46] much he has asked uncomfortable questions to
[00:13:51] read that he calls him on the phone and tells him. I'm going to
[00:13:55] give you more interviews, but because he asked what no one dares
[00:13:58] to ask politicians, simple
[00:14:00] questions,
[00:14:03] he asked if he knew how much a minimum pension was worth, how much milk was worth, how much a
[00:14:06] bus ticket was worth,
[00:14:09] all that made Miley angry and made him call
[00:14:12] him on the phone and tell him that he would never give him another interview, but what is
[00:14:16] journalism if not asking these uncomfortable questions or what everyone
[00:14:19] wants, the viewer wants to hear from the other side, in
[00:14:23] fact, Julio.
[00:14:37] it was uncomfortable but always with respect, it was
[00:14:41] never a nuisance,
[00:14:43] it was uncomfortable, this is the talent, the
[00:14:46] subtlety,
[00:14:48] that he was someone who knew how to navigate
[00:14:52] subtlety, we are leaving, we ask you for a minute nothing
[00:14:56] more Julio because we are connecting with different
[00:14:59] mobile units on the street, we are going with Rodo Morel, Rodo we are with
[00:15:03] you, good morning,
[00:15:07] well Anita, good morning, we are here
[00:15:10] in Loyola at 100, in the neighborhood of
[00:15:13] Villacrespo, here in the city of Buenos
[00:15:16] Aires, where the last
[00:15:19] preparations are underway to say goodbye to
[00:15:22] Chiche, there is a large
[00:15:26] police operation because a concentration is expected not
[00:15:30] only of people but also of the media, no, an
[00:15:33] impactful, unwanted news,
[00:15:39] this is what is happening now no eh security personnel in this
[00:15:42] in this funeral home,
[00:15:44] yes, there is a lot of secrecy about the arrival
[00:15:48] of the relatives, we are in front of the place,
[00:15:51] you already know,
[00:15:55] after 3 p.m. until 3
[00:15:57] p.m. they will be
[00:16:00] saying goodbye to Chiche's remains
[00:16:03] and he will be transferred
[00:16:05] later. to
[00:16:10] La Tablada, yes, this
[00:16:13] is the hard fact about everything that happened this
[00:16:17] morning,
[00:16:20] tremendous news because at 7:30 in the morning today we were at the
[00:16:23] channel and
[00:16:26] it seemed like a day, one more of the many that
[00:16:30] we have,
[00:16:34] yes, it's a very difficult day for everyone, for the whole family of...
[00:16:37] Ana just remembered this
[00:16:40] anecdote that happened to her when she worked on another channel, in
[00:16:44] another video, Channel 26 and she sent
[00:16:47] to ask if women had dirty feet, which ended up being
[00:16:51] a big story, do you have any similar memory, any
[00:16:54] exotic request from
[00:16:56] Chiche,
[00:17:02] look with Chiche
[00:17:04] particularly in my person I went through... through both
[00:17:08] sides, no, for
[00:17:09] having,
[00:17:12] having worked with Chiche, the first Chiche who arrived in 2016 at the
[00:17:15] channel, all the journalists who are here in the
[00:17:18] morning, Chiche used to ask you those questions that
[00:17:22] you didn't know where to get the answer
[00:17:25] and and to be
[00:17:28] attentive to what Chiche
[00:17:31] would ask you, to be on the street with the
[00:17:34] same kids, the cameramen who told me well, but, find out that
[00:17:38] behind the shot there is a tree and that tree is a
[00:17:41] paradise and look, Chiche will ask you what kind of tree it is
[00:17:45] and so I had to
[00:17:47] just in case to know if
[00:17:51] Chiche was going to ask you about that sorry we have to interrupt you, we are
[00:17:54] in contact, we will be back with you Roda Villacrespo with Raúl
[00:17:58] Timerman on the other side Raúl thank you for being here on a
[00:18:01] very special day for us, the whole Crónica family greets
[00:18:04] you
[00:18:08] woke up with great sadness with this news,
[00:18:12] keeping in mind that on Sunday at
[00:18:15] 2:30 p.m. I was with you at Crónica, I was with
[00:18:18] Chiche, not sorry, which must have been the last one
[00:18:22] he did, eh, I met Chiche in his
[00:18:26] last
[00:18:29] very close to him, several things united us, no,
[00:18:33] first the age issue of
[00:18:36] having. there had been parallel
[00:18:39] histories in the Argentine Republic that were so
[00:18:42] complicated during those years,
[00:18:45] then we were united by our taste for Jewish food,
[00:18:49] we went to the same place to
[00:18:53] Junín street 20 meters from Corrientes,
[00:18:56] sometimes I would buy something and leave it at his
[00:18:59] house, he appreciated that
[00:19:04] dinner together some. that
[00:19:08] night and the truth is that I felt a
[00:19:11] very particular appreciation, he was a
[00:19:13] man eh of the few, well, he did
[00:19:17] journalism 24 hours a
[00:19:20] day, yes, but he had a characteristic that
[00:19:24] first he felt pleasure in conversation, that is,
[00:19:28] he established the conversation journalistically
[00:19:31] and felt pleasure in that, and for sure, it didn't
[00:19:34] bother him that the other person thought differently. let's say he had
[00:19:38] that intellectual tolerance, a tremendously cultured
[00:19:42] man he could talk to anyone about
[00:19:45] any topic with great ease, because he had the
[00:19:48] possibility of debating with knowledge, so this
[00:19:51] made that discussion or that dialogue
[00:19:55] interesting, he didn't feed with his knowledge that exchange of
[00:19:59] opinions, I think it's fundamental, you rate Chiche as one of
[00:20:03] the best three journalists in Argentine history,
[00:20:06] well, I wouldn't put numbers on it, I don't know if it was 3,
[00:20:10] 5, 10, he was a giant of journalism, without
[00:20:13] a doubt, that is, there is no doubt about
[00:20:16] that, I always remember, many
[00:20:20] years ago Chiche had a very successful program on
[00:20:24] television where he interviewed personalities
[00:20:27] and he was always impeccable,
[00:20:30] let's say, then talking to him,
[00:20:34] it seems that Cristina, his wife, who had been a model.
[00:20:38] married for almost 50 years, this kept
[00:20:41] him impeccable and one time
[00:20:45] they asked Nazarena Vélez, at the time she worked
[00:20:49] with Sof. in her prime,
[00:20:52] she had been on a show with Chiche
[00:20:56] and they asked Nazarena, she said:
[00:20:59] I watch Chiche Helblum on television and
[00:21:03] he smells clean,
[00:21:05] it was a definition that stuck with me, Chiche was always
[00:21:09] impeccable,
[00:21:11] totally, that was in the program Impacto 9 that he did,
[00:21:15] that he did all the interviews, he collected socks
[00:21:19] eh and...
[00:21:28] I don't know if it happened to you, Raúl, if you wanted Chiche's tie,
[00:21:31] you just had to tell him what a nice tie
[00:21:34] you have and Chiche's immediate answer was I'll give it to you, I think in the
[00:21:38] video you must have bet a tie for
[00:21:42] the Superclásico, they teased each other a lot with betting ties
[00:21:45] and trips, in fact in a bet, Raúl, I don't know if
[00:21:49] you. then he would pretend to be stupid, he would pretend to be foolish,
[00:21:52] eh, I would chase him to make him fulfill the bet, they were trips to Brazil for
[00:21:56] me and my wife, this, and then, of course, it was
[00:21:59] hard for him to face the payment of that bet, but I don't know
[00:22:03] if you had a similar experience with this great
[00:22:06] Chlum, no, what I had with him
[00:22:09] show, let's go
[00:22:12] fast
[00:22:15] Rodo, what was Cristian
[00:22:17] entering?
[00:22:22] No, they are family, yes, they are
[00:22:25] family, clear, he passed by quickly,
[00:22:29] Ariel Said is also at the door,
[00:22:32] eh, well, Ariel, who worked with us here at the
[00:22:36] channel, is about to enter there,
[00:22:39] eh, and family members are entering, I, no,
[00:22:43] no, we are respecting the space of the
[00:22:47] family members too, we are on the sidewalk across the street. respecting
[00:22:51] also this time and the pain, so we don't
[00:22:54] know the family that is entering, but
[00:22:58] we, from the information we have, know
[00:23:01] that the lady and the children would be inside,
[00:23:06] daughters entered with her husband and
[00:23:09] that's what I could see, they entered very quickly, of course,
[00:23:13] and they will want to preserve
[00:23:17] their privacy, yes. you know
[00:23:20] why? Because Dr. Ferrari is there, a very good friend of his, Ferrari
[00:23:23] too, in fact he did radio with him, a very, very
[00:23:26] good friend, let's see, we are on the phone with Sergio
[00:23:30] Massa on the other side, Sergio, thank you for being here on a very special day for the whole
[00:23:34] Crónica family, hello,
[00:23:36] good morning, yes, the truth is a very sad day, not only
[00:23:40] for the Crónica family, eh, I think that for all
[00:23:43] Argentinians, I think that Mochiche in
[00:23:47] some way, let's say, expressed
[00:23:51] first that feeling
[00:23:53] of and that passion for journalism that made an
[00:23:57] interview with him a luxury, he let you talk, he listened to you,
[00:24:01] hypersensitive,
[00:24:03] eh, a master, and then eh, I
[00:24:07] think he was a guy who had the enormous
[00:24:09] capacity to always be on top of the issues
[00:24:13] that meant something to Argentine society, it was a
[00:24:17] super special sensibility that made
[00:24:20] him a journalist who
[00:24:23] touched people's hearts, I honestly
[00:24:25] had the luck to
[00:24:28] be able to share, but
[00:24:32] countless interviews from
[00:24:34] when I was very young and was director of
[00:24:37] ANSES, he always gave me the opportunity to talk to
[00:24:41] him and he gave me the opportunity to
[00:24:45] I thought eh, and I think
[00:24:47] that that... in some way
[00:24:51] all those
[00:24:54] who, let's say, had some
[00:24:57] responsibility in the institutional, cultural,
[00:25:00] sporting, eh, political life of
[00:25:04] Argentina, we all had in him someone
[00:25:07] who in some way gave us the opportunity to
[00:25:11] tell people what we did,
[00:25:15] each of the interviewees today who are linked to
[00:25:19] national politics. highlight this, the empathy he had, no, a
[00:25:22] guy who knew about people's problems,
[00:25:25] eh, and at the same time everyone highlights this about
[00:25:29] that question outside the logical, outside the box, some define
[00:25:32] it, eh, some prepared and others didn't for an interview with
[00:25:36] Chiche, what happened to you, did you prepare for some eh
[00:25:39] question outside the box or uncomfortable as it is
[00:25:43] known, no, it's that he had the ability to
[00:25:45] start the conversation in the
[00:25:51] moment you least expected it, he would take you out of the box, so
[00:25:54] let's say preparation with
[00:25:58] Chiche was not valid, Chiche managed to make you
[00:26:01] spontaneous. to be eh
[00:26:04] extremely transparent in the conversation with him, because it was a
[00:26:07] conversation in which he was also listening and
[00:26:11] let's say he had the ability to catch what you could
[00:26:15] tell that he managed to make you tell without telling
[00:26:18] others, yes and there
[00:26:21] was the excellence of the journalist
[00:26:25] but also as a human being he was a fun guy in this sense, I wanted to ask you Sergio, how are you
[00:26:29] Anabelia greets you.
[00:26:41] they didn't know him that way, well he was
[00:26:45] one of those guys who maybe off camera would grab you and
[00:26:48] tell you hey you did great with this, hey you
[00:26:52] messed up with this, he was
[00:26:56] super, super human, super
[00:26:58] humble, you know that above all,
[00:27:03] let's say, he consolidated over the years
[00:27:07] as someone, let's say
[00:27:09] very important for an interviewee, for any
[00:27:12] interviewee, just like an institution, and the truth is that
[00:27:16] let's say, when he stood there from the healthy
[00:27:20] side, from the human side, he was
[00:27:23] super almost I would say paternal in the comments
[00:27:29] the look he gave you,
[00:27:33] he was a different
[00:27:35] person, super different, and also what you mention, this silence of being able
[00:27:39] to listen to the interviewee, not interrupt him,
[00:27:41] even if he didn't agree, he would let you finish the
[00:27:45] idea and then if he had to cross you, he would cross you, did that happen to you?
[00:27:48] that one felt more, you are attentive to an interview with
[00:27:52] always with Chiche, but that thing that he let you talk, let people
[00:27:56] express themselves, he, he, let's say, had
[00:28:00] so much authority. actual and personal when it came to
[00:28:04] interviewing
[00:28:07] we knew as the rift, Chiche was above the
[00:28:11] rift and had the ability to interview anyone who thought like
[00:28:15] him differently and nothing, and
[00:28:19] to be respectful, to be
[00:28:24] he thought in the context of the conversation and the
[00:28:27] interview, but listening with much, with much respect to the
[00:28:30] interviewee as an interviewer,
[00:28:34] let's say, he was one of those you wanted,
[00:28:38] let's say, to give him an interview, because you knew you had the
[00:28:41] opportunity to tell what was happening to you, what you felt, why you did
[00:28:45] things, even if he didn't agree, he always gave you the
[00:28:49] opportunity to tell it, it's true, Sergio, and
[00:28:53] something he always repeated, not because of his age, because of his
[00:28:56] experience, he was perhaps a friend of some politicians, but once they reached
[00:29:00] the presidency, he would say I am not a friend of presidents,
[00:29:03] because I am a journalist first, I mean, well,
[00:29:07] he always
[00:29:09] maintained his critical capacity, no matter if he had
[00:29:13] a relationship with me, he had a very affectionate relationship,
[00:29:16] I would say almost paternal, not in terms
[00:29:19] of a chat off
[00:29:23] front of the camera, eh, the interview
[00:29:27] would begin and he would set aside the emotional aspect, the
[00:29:30] emotional issue and... let's get to the core, to the
[00:29:34] core, on all topics, to the core, eh,
[00:29:37] and when you answered something that he didn't agree with, he would
[00:29:41] tell you, eh, no, this is like this because of this, because of this and because of
[00:29:46] he rescued that was happening to people, I think
[00:29:50] it's super valuable, super valuable
[00:29:52] and
[00:29:56] animal, eh, there was a
[00:29:59] moment, eh, I remember that... he was
[00:30:03] on two different channels and on radio doing three
[00:30:06] different things, all of them also different in journalistic
[00:30:09] terms, nothing, he was a beast
[00:30:12] working and one wondered living here,
[00:30:16] you know what happens, Sergio, when one saw him with the vitality that
[00:30:20] he always showed beyond his age and some
[00:30:23] health complications, one wondered where he got so much energy,
[00:30:26] right? That was the question that one asked himself when he saw Chiche, you rightly
[00:30:32] radio, at night on another channel, this and
[00:30:36] being in communication with his production team until late at night, he was a
[00:30:39] guy with a lot of energy, I'll stick with something you said because off
[00:30:43] camera you had a relationship of father,
[00:30:47] right? Paternal, everyone says the same, everyone agrees
[00:30:50] with this, no, it's worth highlighting, those tips,
[00:30:54] did you take the tips or did you listen to them, does the politician
[00:30:57] take the advice of a guy like Chiche?