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[00:01:08] Lily and Carlitos.
[00:01:11] All right, everything's fine, how are you?
[00:01:13] Well, I imagine it was a difficult day for you. You worked
[00:01:17] eh, let's say, when I start until the last minute. On Sunday,
[00:01:20] we did the show. It ended. I was just telling Lili,
[00:01:24] we were talking about it. On Sunday, we finished the show and
[00:01:27] we,
[00:01:31] family. It cost him a lot when his once we finished the Sunday show, we would both sit on a couch in the hallway for
[00:01:33] a while and plan the next Sunday. And last
[00:01:36] Sunday, we planned the next Sunday. So
[00:01:40] this Sunday that's coming up now, we were planning
[00:01:44] obviously, with an impressive it exactly. And well,
[00:01:47] life changed everything for you. And what did he
[00:01:51] see in the country? What did he say
[00:01:53] situation, how Chiche Hellum was in about how he saw Argentina? He didn't see it. I mean, the times
[00:01:57] we talked about the country, we both have, I mean, I
[00:02:01] have a political position, then each one can have their own. Chiche had
[00:02:05] his political position and we always talked about the same thing.
[00:02:08] We said, at least in the conversations we had,
[00:02:12] that we didn't see a future. I mean, we talked about many
[00:02:15] people and the truth is we didn't see a future. He didn't see a future
[00:02:19] to say, "well, no, this." Moreover, he is a person, or was a person,
[00:02:23] rather, optimistic. He
[00:02:25] always was. We always talked about that and I told him, "Chiche, this country is not
[00:02:29] going anywhere." I mean, there are situations that are happening that
[00:02:33] one sees hunger, unemployment, misery, beyond the position, beyond
[00:02:37] whether one was in favor, against, that Milei not Milei, Kirchner not Kirchner,
[00:02:40] beyond all that, he was a little more
[00:02:44] optimistic, but he saw a very complex, very complicated
[00:02:48] situation,
[00:02:50] he could do it. Yes, do you the people who marked the last 40, but he was always like that, he always looked forward, he always said, "come on, let's go." Well,
[00:02:54] we argued a lot. We are,
[00:02:57] he is much older than me, but he was a guy who loved journalism. Those who
[00:03:01] know me know that I also, journalism is
[00:03:04] fundamental in life for me, for all of us who do
[00:03:07] Lili. This
[00:03:10] detector? Oh, it slipped my was fundamental and he saw everything, he saw it from a journalistic point of view. I mean,
[00:03:13] there is no other way of looking at it. He loved it when you argued with him,
[00:03:16] always, always, always. The worst thing Chiche could have was when you told him, "Oh yes,
[00:03:20] Chiche, you're right. Oh yes, Chiche." So it
[00:03:23] doesn't work. We told each other everything to our faces.
[00:03:27] I mean, sometimes I didn't agree with what
[00:03:31] he said and I told him, and I told him
[00:03:34] night at the library of the Conso de on air. Our discussions were on air. What
[00:03:36] we thought outside, we broadcast on air, and that's
[00:03:39] what gave the program naturalness, beyond
[00:03:43] the ratings, beyond whether it performed or not, beyond all that, it was a
[00:03:47] natural program, it was a program that you knew was like that, inside and out. And
[00:03:51] how did he cope? Because 4 hours, 4
[00:03:53] hours, is a lot and he wasn't well
[00:03:57] health-wise, no, the last few months. And he would trip and
[00:04:02] La Tablada, and fall and he would come in, he
[00:04:04] would fall asleep, he didn't hear well, but
[00:04:07] he had the voice, it wasn't
[00:04:11] the one and this Sunday they already had. I mean, what we noticed, and I told
[00:04:15] Cristina, his
[00:04:18] see that in reality Poland with wife, that it was getting very hard for him to breathe, to talk,
[00:04:20] to breathe and count. He was getting tired. You could see the tiredness in his
[00:04:24] breathing, right? But he would say, "I want to go anyway." One day, I called him
[00:04:28] war. We are seeing the on the phone two months ago,
[00:04:31] I called him and told him, "Chiche, I knew he had been hospitalized and I
[00:04:35] told him, 'Don't come, Chiche, you're fine, recover and
[00:04:37] recover well.'" And he told me, "He told me this, 'No way.' It's not
[00:04:41] that he told me, 'No,' he told me, 'No way, I'm fine.'" I mean, he told me, "How
[00:04:44] can you tell me that?"
[00:04:46] I saw him a few weeks ago when
[00:04:50] he came here, of course he couldn't walk anymore, in a wheelchair, someone was
[00:04:53] pushing him and he immediately greeted me, of course, and
[00:04:57] I said, "But Chiche, how are you?" "I'm fine, how
[00:05:01] am I going to be?" What a question that is out of place.
[00:05:05] It gives me the idea that it has to do with optimism, I'm going to
[00:05:08] be fine and with defeated and with the desire to
[00:05:12] feel good, and that work was his
[00:05:15] leitmotif and it was what made him get up
[00:05:18] and go to bed and think about notes and what, what note he wanted to
[00:05:21] do, who he wanted to interview. He, I mean, when we
[00:05:25] he, I mean, for me what was left pending for
[00:05:28] Chiche was to interview Miley again. What we were
[00:05:31] talking about, he wanted one more interview with Miley.
[00:05:34] Of course, he wanted to talk about
[00:05:37] Miley, he wanted to talk about the current
[00:05:41] situation of the country and what we talked
[00:05:44] about. Even we had thought of
[00:05:47] Luis Caputo. I mean, we talked about that, but
[00:05:51] for me, it was left pending for him.
[00:05:54] Well,
[00:05:57] we'll leave you with the Chronica air. Lili,
[00:06:00] Carlitos, as always, guys, rest. We continue, obviously,
[00:06:04] with everything that happened and what is happening. We are live
[00:06:08] with Jessica in Tablada. Go, go, yes,
[00:06:11] there we go. Hello, good afternoon. Yes, that's right, good
[00:06:14] afternoon, Carlos, Lili, that's right. We are working in front of the
[00:06:17] Israeli cemetery, waiting for the arrival of the funeral procession that will be
[00:06:21] bringing the remains of Chiche. A few minutes ago,
[00:06:24] we saw the entry of a very close friend of his. We are talking about
[00:06:28] Matilde, Valdini, a very, very
[00:06:31] close friend of Chiche. She entered a few minutes ago. There is also a little
[00:06:35] more movement. We understand that the funeral procession will be arriving
[00:06:39] in about 20 minutes, more or less,
[00:06:42] around that time. We are working
[00:06:46] here, at the access. It will be the direct
[00:06:49] entry of the remains of Chiche along
[00:06:53] with family and friends. Good. Yes, as we are
[00:06:56] showing what is happening, what is happening with
[00:07:00] this, with the cortege of Chiche
[00:07:03] Gelblum, we are seeing
[00:07:07] the cemetery of La Tablada, he will rest there, his remains will rest there.
[00:07:10] Meanwhile, we also continue.
[00:07:12] Mauro Viale is not here, Natalla Jaid, well,
[00:07:16] many people from the community, right?
[00:07:19] Exactly, Marco. Go ahead, yes, please, there are also messages.
[00:07:23] Go ahead, yes, Patricia says, good evening, I'm Patricia from
[00:07:26] Valencia. I want to send a huge hug and my
[00:07:29] condolences for the passing of Chiche. I remember
[00:07:33] him with great affection from when I was an adolescent, I used to watch Memoria.
[00:07:37] Oh, Memoria, do you remember what a great
[00:07:39] program. but no, beyond
[00:07:42] what we were just talking about, Lili, beyond the positions, beyond what
[00:07:46] each one thinks, journalism has references and
[00:07:50] has references, right? And Chiche was one of them. I mean, obviously, he
[00:07:54] marked an era, he marked a style, yes, beyond
[00:07:57] whether he was disruptive or not, he was one of
[00:08:02] 50 years of, clear, and he marked the last 40, 50 years of
[00:08:06] journalism in Argentina, whether you agreed or not with his programs, but all
[00:08:10] of them generated conversation, because
[00:08:13] that was Chiche's thing. Chiche saw notes where not everyone
[00:08:17] saw them, where everyone said, "But this is a topic for a note," and it turned
[00:08:21] out that you had 3 days, if you wanted, talking about that
[00:08:24] topic, and not many people have that
[00:08:27] ability, sorry, totally advanced, and
[00:08:31] one thing I always respected about Chiche, that I
[00:08:34] love, which is to take that from journalism, is the
[00:08:38] journalist who listens. It seems very important to me, because
[00:08:42] if you look back and we look back in a while,
[00:08:45] at some notes, he would ask, he would
[00:08:49] listen to ask that follow-up question that we all
[00:08:52] want to ask, and nowadays there are many young people
[00:08:56] who go out and want to participate, it's not like that, you have to
[00:08:59] listen, to ask you have to listen and
[00:09:03] Chiche taught it and respected it a lot. One of the last conversations we
[00:09:06] had, we talked almost every day, every week, we always
[00:09:10] called each other on the phone while. now the program's anniversary is coming up.
[00:09:14] We started in September last year.
[00:09:17] and we always talked about the same thing. I mean,
[00:09:21] Chiche knew why he was so important in some ways, because
[00:09:25] he knew that when you do a note, the note is the note,
[00:09:28] it's not you, I mean, he wasn't his reference, he was Chiche
[00:09:32] and if he did a note, the other day we were talking with Luis Machín
[00:09:35] and we were talking about Barreda and what
[00:09:38] was being told was Machín talking about Barreda, it wasn't
[00:09:41] me. Then Chiche would tell some anecdote, some issue that had to do
[00:09:45] with him, but beyond that, he knew.
[00:09:48] Those of us who love, we just talked about it, those of us who love
[00:09:52] journalism know that the note is about the other person, it's not us, when it's your
[00:09:55] turn, the journalist is not the protagonist, but
[00:09:59] then, unintentionally and because, of course, because he was
[00:10:02] a protagonist and he always said, "it's the note that
[00:10:06] Chiche made, it's the..." You realize
[00:10:09] there, but the note, and that's difficult because of that. But then,
[00:10:13] look, when Chiche was at the forefront when
[00:10:16] Israel recovered the Wall of the 6 Days, the
[00:10:20] Western Wall of the 6-Day War, he was ahead, he was
[00:10:24] ahead of everyone. Well, there you have it, look, an
[00:10:28] example, let's see, we have Jessie, yes, with Alies, Jessie,
[00:10:32] all yours from La Tablada, speaking of notes, Lili, exactly as you
[00:10:35] and Carlos were remembering, there are also people who come
[00:10:39] precisely because of the closeness that Chiche had with people, because that's the
[00:10:42] reality, I mean, he approached from another place,
[00:10:46] just Lorena, who is next to us, received help from Chiche
[00:11:00] La Salada issue came up. Oh, exactly, yes, you see,
[00:11:03] I said, I know her, I know her. Now I, now
[00:11:07] I remembered the topic. Well, I made you cry a little that day with
[00:11:10] everything that happened. The truth is yes, how much I cried.
[00:11:14] Well, tell us what you remember about Chiche, why you have him
[00:11:18] so present, how he helped you.
[00:11:23] issue came up, Chiche was constantly
[00:11:27] in communication with us and he always got me on
[00:11:31] communication and as I say, an
[00:11:34] anecdote, the girls, the colleagues,
[00:11:37] they would get to attack me and Chiche would get
[00:11:41] angry and tell them, "Can you let Lorena speak?
[00:11:45] Lorena is the one who works in La Salada. You are sitting here." That's
[00:11:55] you the truth, I started at 5 in the morning at the market,
[00:11:59] yes, I'm in Urcupiña, and well, my daughter
[00:12:03] sent me another message, "Do you know who died?" I never imagined, I knew
[00:12:06] Chiche was very sick, but I never imagined he would leave us so
[00:12:10] quickly, oh, and well, I finished working at 2:30 in the
[00:12:14] afternoon, here I am, I came to say goodbye to Chiche because he helped me too much, he
[00:12:17] gave me a lot of strength. Look, you came from there, from Lomas, from the
[00:12:21] Budge market, here to say goodbye to him.
[00:12:25] The La Salada market to say goodbye to him.
[00:12:28] The truth is that everyone who could meet Chiche through
[00:12:31] a call, an opportunity
[00:12:35] to give us to move forward. The truth is that today, today I think we are a little
[00:12:38] sad about what happened. A great journalist left us. I always tell
[00:12:42] him, when the interview ended that day, the last interview
[00:12:46] we had on the phone, I told him, "Chiche, can I tell
[00:12:49] you something?" "Yes," he says, "my dear, tell me, I'm listening
[00:12:53] well." I say, "The truth is you are a great journalist." "You
[00:12:57] say?" he told me. "Oh, how wonderful." And if the public says so, it's
[00:13:07] which program do you remember?
[00:13:10] This I didn't forget, Memoria. Oh, look, everyone,
[00:13:14] Memoria,
[00:13:17] everyone. I think that, and well, as you were showing a while ago about the
[00:13:20] alien autopsy, it was also like
[00:13:23] everything, it's believe or bust, only he could do it.
[00:13:27] Of course, who doesn't remember the, what was
[00:13:30] it called, the machine of truth and lies, the
[00:13:35] mind. I got emotional. The lie detector,
[00:13:39] right? Or when he did those live reports
[00:13:43] with Caniggia, the nanny, oh
[00:13:46] yes, also throwing from Italy so many things and
[00:13:50] he kept telling her things and she acted as if nothing. He was unique,
[00:13:54] Chiche, yes, he was unique. The truth is that many, many of the
[00:13:57] journalist colleagues who are here today, I think, learned a lot from
[00:14:01] him, the good and the bad, as we all have good and bad, yes.
[00:14:05] Nobody's perfect, we would say. He also had his things that others would
[00:14:08] dislike and perhaps one doesn't really get to know, but
[00:14:12] well, we have to talk about the reality. Today we remember him as
[00:14:15] the journalist he was, also you in your memory today
[00:14:19] saying he helped me and how he defended the
[00:14:23] working people of
[00:14:27] La Tablada, sorry, La Salada. I
[00:14:29] mean, the truth is that that's it, that's it.
[00:14:33] Chiche, besides that I think many people remember
[00:14:36] him also because he is a man who, even as an old man,
[00:14:40] dared to go to war. Who does that? We were just talking about
[00:14:43] that. The presence of Chiche in the
[00:14:47] war, but it's not like someone told him, "Hey, you have to." No, Chiche said, "I want to go,
[00:14:51] I want to go, I want to go." I mean, he wanted to go.
[00:14:54] Of course. Nelson Castro and he apply before
[00:14:58] anyone calls them because they have that journalistic
[00:15:01] thing. Journalism is about our
[00:15:04] lives or we saw everything and we see everything in relation to
[00:15:08] journalism.
[00:15:10] A note, of course, those of us who love this profession,
[00:15:14] practically many of us have done
[00:15:17] this all our lives. Journalism comes first and then there's the rest, but
[00:15:21] that's how it is, he would say, "oh, this is a note, this is a note."
[00:15:24] We talked about the World Cup.
[00:15:28] Chiche told me, "Oh, why don't we go to the World Cup?" I tell him, "Yes, I mean, he wanted to go." I mean, he couldn't
[00:15:31] go due to health issues, but he said, "Well, oh, look, I want to see if I can go to the
[00:15:35] World Cup." I mean, because the World Cup was a big deal. And he wanted to be
[00:15:38] there, exactly. Well,
[00:15:42] Lili, you know what? One day I
[00:15:45] told him, one day I told him because people used to tell us,
[00:15:48] "these damn black people," no, no,
[00:15:51] Lorena, no damn black people, you are black, but hard-working
[00:15:55] black people who break your backs working, he even told me that,
[00:15:58] imagine, how one gets marked by things,
[00:16:02] right? Because I used to tell him, people categorize us as damn
[00:16:05] black people, but I remember in a program.
[00:16:14] Because if it's about working and he related it precisely to
[00:16:18] work, exactly, exactly. Look how, look how
[00:16:22] we both came to the same conclusion about what he told
[00:16:25] me, "hardworking black people," Chiche told
[00:17:19] with you. Yes, we were just talking about the war when he went
[00:17:23] to the war in Ukraine and Russia. Let's watch a
[00:17:27] clip that has to do with that
[00:17:30] the war and how he covered the war. This happened about 4 and a half years
[00:17:34] ago. This happened.
[00:17:38] Don't go away, so we can see and
[00:17:41] you can also see what happened. Chiche in the war in Ukraine.
[00:17:44] A 45 km caravan, you know, it's like
[00:17:48] going from the channel to La Plata. Of course, tanks, trucks
[00:17:52] and soldiers and equipment. And these are not going to
[00:17:55] come back. Of course, they are coming to stay
[00:17:59] in Ukraine, they are not going to let go. Whatever
[00:18:02] the outcome, the outcome, let's say an open outcome, will it be a
[00:18:06] surrender? I don't know. The military capacity that
[00:18:09] Ukraine can have is ridiculous compared to what
[00:18:13] the Russian potential is. It makes no
[00:18:17] sense. You, who know about international politics, let me
[00:18:20] explain, it's the poorest country in Europe,
[00:18:24] they are advancing on the Spanish, every day
[00:18:26] of every day of advance, every day of this advance costs
[00:18:30] five hospitals, as if it were the Fernández hospital, just so
[00:18:34] you know, yes, yes, what happens is that, well, what is the investment of the...
[00:18:45] is lived in Poland, what you see, what you perceive, when I say "is lived," I
[00:18:48] mean in general, there, the people you met,
[00:18:52] with whom you already had
[00:18:53] a chance to speak.
[00:18:56] It's a permanent topic of conversation. It's a permanent topic of conversation, of course,
[00:19:00] and of concern because it's not easy to have the war right around the corner. It's not like you
[00:19:04] have it 5 km away.
[00:19:07] And they feel that, and they feel that Putin's attack can
[00:19:11] also reach them, because the Poles, I happened to be in Poland last
[00:19:14] year, Chiche, and when you talk to many Poles, it's like
[00:19:18] they are always waiting for something to happen, they are always
[00:19:22] on alert. They have reasons, of course, they were among the most
[00:19:26] affected in the Second World War.
[00:19:29] They were among the most affected, what happens is that Poland has selective
[00:19:33] memory. They don't remember what the Nazi
[00:19:36] invasion was,
[00:19:45] it's like they deny the Nazi part and yet they had it and they suffered it, but
[00:19:48] seen as all of us, each one lives a
[00:19:52] different reality, you
[00:19:55] the issue of the Nazis at some point was not entirely
[00:19:59] in disagreement because when the reconstruction was done, there was
[00:20:02] Chiche in the
[00:20:05] moment of the coverage of. He was going to Poland, this has to do
[00:20:09] with what happened in the war between Ukraine and Russia, and Chiche was
[00:20:13] one of the journalists who was in that place. We were just talking
[00:20:16] about Enesol Castro who was also there. Now we are
[00:20:20] live in La Tablada, Jessi, we are live with you. We continue in La
[00:20:23] Tablada, if the cortege is about to arrive at the
[00:20:27] Jewish cemetery of La Tablada, Jessi, it's yours.
[00:20:31] Yes, that's right, we continue working at Donovanal 800,
[00:20:34] in front of one of the accesses that this same
[00:20:39] Israeli will have. The funeral procession will arrive in a few minutes. We are all here
[00:20:42] waiting for the arrival, also, as you can see, there is
[00:20:45] police deployment here precisely to
[00:20:49] make the movement, or rather, the entry easier, not
[00:20:52] only for the family, the friends who are accompanying the remains
[00:20:56] of Chicha and Helblum, but also so that everything is more
[00:21:00] organized. From access E, where we are in front of the
[00:21:03] door of access E, about 800 meters inside,
[00:21:07] they will enter, what
[00:21:11] is it, from here 800 meters inside, they will be taking
[00:21:14] the funeral procession
[00:21:23] sister is there. For the moment, we only saw some friends enter,
[00:21:26] very close to him, very
[00:21:30] close to Chiche Helblum, and I don't know if we also
[00:21:34] saw the entry that, obviously, entered quite quickly
[00:21:38] of our colleague Ernesto
[00:21:41] Adidas, but well, we'll see now in a few moments if we can talk
[00:21:44] to him after the farewell.
[00:21:48] What I want to clarify or comment, rather, is that
[00:21:51] as media, we are allowed to enter up to here. We have to see if they
[00:21:55] authorize us to enter further inside, but well, for now we are
[00:21:58] waiting for authorization from the family, who are slowly starting to arrive.
[00:22:01] Let's remember, Jessi, that it's the Jewish cemetery of La Tablada, besides
[00:22:05] Chiche Kelvin's family is there,
[00:22:08] buried in that place, if I'm not mistaken, his
[00:22:12] sister who passed away a few years
[00:22:15] ago is buried there. She was there and I don't know if part of his
[00:22:21] sister died, it hurt him a lot, it affected him a lot, she was
[00:22:24] younger. There is a before and an after. His sister is the
[00:22:28] doctor. Oh, he talked about his sister, she's that one. I didn't
[00:22:36] more or less, I remember it because, he
[00:22:39] came to work, yes, and he asked for blood
[00:22:48] then on, the issue with Chiche's health also began. Yes, of course.
[00:22:52] Well, perhaps that was a very important blow and
[00:22:55] well, all those things shake you up in some way,
[00:22:59] right? He was already older, if she was
[00:23:02] younger, who knows what she died of, of course, what
[00:23:05] she died of, perhaps Major, due to some, that's what I was
[00:23:09] going to say, some terminal illness and that hits
[00:23:12] hard, right? In many families, especially if one is delicate. I
[00:23:16] remember a lot of what Chiche said about his childhood, a tough childhood.
[00:23:20] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, in fact, what he often said
[00:23:24] is that he went from being a child to an old man, what he says is that he didn't have
[00:23:27] an adolescence, because of all he had to work, because of the upbringing he
[00:23:31] had, that he directly went, according to him, in his
[00:23:35] words, from being 10 years old to 80, those terms he used in the
[00:23:38] last interviews, well, because of the life he had and because
[00:23:42] he directly didn't live a traditional adolescence. Chiche's life
[00:23:46] at that age until he was 14 is a Calvary because
[00:23:50] Chiche's sister tells him
[00:23:53] that she is going to marry a man who is not Jewish. Oh, of course, in that
[00:23:56] era, so at that time it was very, very complicated, so the
[00:24:00] grandmother would go every day to cry at the house, ah,
[00:24:03] so the house was very complicated, he leaves and
[00:24:07] goes to live at an egg sales
[00:24:10] company and slept at
[00:24:13] 14 years old on top of the egg crates, 14 years old
[00:24:16] he had already left home because of that situation, he dropped out of high school, he dropped out of
[00:24:20] high school and went to study every
[00:24:24] la Nación there he never finished high school, he didn't
[00:24:27] finish high school and what a cultured person, what a cultured person
[00:24:30] as you can tell, of course, but a lover of
[00:24:34] books, self-taught, I mean, it was
[00:24:38] a generation of self-taught people as well, there are many people
[00:24:41] from that self-taught generation, many writers, many journalists
[00:24:44] who Magdalena didn't have the
[00:24:48] opportunity
[00:24:59] but they always sought to learn more, to gain knowledge, that is, they didn't stay
[00:25:03] there saying, well, I've come this far and that's it, no,
[00:25:06] they looked for and looked for more.
[00:25:09] Longordi neither, also high school, Longo, Magdalena and
[00:25:12] Chiche never finished high school, no, and also, there are
[00:25:16] a lot, there are writers
[00:25:50] different from a time of television
[00:25:51] Carrio
[00:25:54] was older than but neu, that is,
[00:26:35] afternoon, and that today I'm
[00:26:38] remembering him with joy, I can't
[00:26:42] remember him with sadness because, well,
[00:26:46] I have from the wake, of course, in the presence of
[00:26:49] his wife, his children and his
[00:26:53] grandchildren, obviously, the emotion flooded us all,
[00:26:56] because those who have the genuine right to
[00:27:00] that pain are the people. his family and his close friends
[00:27:04] who are going to feel his absence, because in
[00:27:07] them he is present, of course, eh, and then
[00:27:11] when I remember him
[00:27:14] really eh, my memory is
[00:27:20] talking about him, I start to have fun, I start to
[00:27:24] remember things and the truth is that it makes me laugh, because
[00:27:27] he was a great journalist but he mixed police
[00:27:30] journalism, eh, entertainment, eh,
[00:27:33] extraterrestrials, the Moruroa atoll with the fish
[00:27:36] thrown all over the place, then all over the studio,
[00:27:39] I mean, and that was Chiche, Chiche had
[00:27:43] that creativity, he was a journalist,
[00:27:47] vision of reality, but
[00:27:49] he also liked to play, he had that playful thing that if
[00:27:53] he didn't deconstruct, he didn't deconstruct, it wasn't
[00:27:57] Chiche, that is, he was that, and when you remember
[00:28:00] those things and you take those... those images, you remember those
[00:28:04] images, it's really
[00:28:07] fabulous, right? Because he was a creative before anything else, an ingenious
[00:28:10] guy, who when the news was the news, you had to
[00:28:14] turn it around and turn it around, he knew how he
[00:28:17] did it, that is, he is the
[00:28:20] creator of the cover girls of Gente, because
[00:28:24] Gente was when he was in the 70s, he was the director of
[00:28:27] Atlántida, he was people of the current
[00:28:31] affairs then. It was, obviously, journalism, but when nothing was happening,
[00:28:35] he would say, "What should we put?" And he would say, "Let's put a pretty
[00:28:38] girl." So of course, I have a cover of Gente
[00:28:42] made by him where my figure is in a bikini in the
[00:28:45] war, I don't know where, below in the caption, of course,
[00:28:48] everything, everything like that.
[00:28:53] remember any special situation, any
[00:28:57] question that you said, "He can't ask me this"? He
[00:29:00] alone.
[00:29:02] I, I have a different attitude towards the press, with the press,
[00:29:06] I mean, if one says that they are media-savvy, for me to be
[00:29:10] media-savvy is very important, because you have to be able to communicate whatever, whenever, wherever,
[00:29:14] and with property,
[00:29:17] I believe that one has to allow the journalist to ask whatever they
[00:29:21] want, of course, they have to be able to ask themselves, well, that is,
[00:29:24] obviously, everything with the limits of
[00:29:26] education, but the journalist has to ask,
[00:29:30] they have to ask uncomfortable questions. When uncomfortable questions are not asked, I know that we are
[00:29:34] making you friends, so it's not like that, the
[00:29:37] journalist has to be incisive and ask
[00:29:41] and ask from their nature, from what
[00:29:44] really, that's why you are a journalist, because you see reality in a particular way that
[00:29:48] makes certain things bother you and then you investigate
[00:29:52] that, an interview also that
[00:29:54] you can ask that, how about that, Marcos,
[00:30:03] courtship with Matías Sale was on Chiche's program,
[00:30:07] yes, of course, and Chiche was possessed, because
[00:30:45] procession is arriving at La Tablada right now to
[00:30:49] say goodbye to Chiche, we see that the
[00:30:51] procession is arriving, of course, the beginning, the entrance to the
[00:30:55] cemetery of La Tablada. cemetery in La Tablada.
[00:30:58] cementerio de la tablada.