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[00:00:00] unleashes madness, what unleashed the
[00:00:00] be there, yes. And another of anger, why couldn't it be foreseen,
[00:00:22] Rojo, a week ago he uploaded this, he uploaded these images with
[00:00:26] a weapon, flaunting a weapon, a nine, so if this
[00:00:30] I asked myself a thousand times if it could have been avoided, well, it's not normal for a
[00:00:34] kid to upload a photo, it's normal perhaps
[00:00:37] for the show we do and for the stories we tell
[00:00:39] here,
[00:00:42] I'm doubting the weapon, I think it's a .45, no, this is
[00:00:46] not the weapon he uses to kill her, so he had
[00:00:49] quotes because we don't know if it's true, in more, the .380 is shorter, but that's why I'm saying he had
[00:00:52] more than one weapon stored in his house,
[00:00:56] no, what this shows, Rosario, what you are saying is that there is more than one weapon.
[00:01:00] what you say is brilliant, the .380 is not this
[00:01:03] and the motorcycle is a large displacement
[00:01:07] and expensive motorcycle, yes, so it's not
[00:01:10] so far from reality, the family, everything has a
[00:01:14] reality that could have been avoided, I can't
[00:01:17] believe people upload this to social media, I'm sticking with what I said before,
[00:01:21] the cases are the same, they are related, Ema, I'll come back to you,
[00:01:25] I know you're looking at your phone, obviously we're not
[00:01:28] going to fall for the alibi that... the family gives us
[00:01:37] Camila's family says, what they
[00:01:40] convey, let me tell you that in just a few minutes the
[00:01:44] wake will begin, Camila's
[00:01:47] is that the parents of this
[00:01:50] young man, or at least his closest circle, know where he is,
[00:01:54] so they demand and push
[00:01:56] the weapon, let's review what for these people to speak
[00:01:58] the other in a second, yes, like what and communicate with the authorities. effectively say
[00:02:02] where he is, what they are telling me is that in the
[00:02:05] next few minutes, next few hours we may have decisive
[00:02:09] news, okay, that means
[00:02:13] that at least they have a lead,
[00:02:16] you can't be free for
[00:02:19] Jorge, the stepfather who got him out of long, you can't be, no, a reliable lead, Emanuel adds,
[00:02:22] and killed her, I'm going back to no, no, with so much information and with such
[00:02:25] clarity about who the person
[00:02:29] law.
[00:02:50] me, the issue of the quantity of access to
[00:03:00] the femicide showed off with weapons on social
[00:03:02] media, he planned the
[00:03:05] crime,
[00:03:11] I understand that from a legal perspective, how can you defend, he went too far,
[00:03:14] no, but you don't go to your girlfriend's house with a, yes, but he's
[00:03:18] thief, he steals
[00:03:21] motorcycles, but how does he, so he carries the weapon
[00:03:31] freaking out, yelling like crazy, but rather he had calmed down, they had even made a few
[00:03:37] bring you into the conversation, you can jokes, yes, so he was calm and when the
[00:03:39] stepfather leaves, he makes the decision to
[00:03:43] is planning
[00:03:45] we were discussing with because no, clear, it's not like we're fighting, we're not getting along and
[00:03:48] in a moment of rage and outburst I take out the weapon and
[00:03:52] shoot you, but rather he waited for this to happen, the other thing happens in a
[00:03:55] second, Pablo Meliquido is on the other side to understand the situation a little
[00:04:07] kind of preamble at the beginning of the program, that one
[00:04:10] from journalism, through oneself as a person, unintentionally puts
[00:04:14] jealousy, a toxic relationship, not
[00:04:17] justifying but giving
[00:04:20] afterwards? That's components to understand a femicide, sometimes Pablo, that's not
[00:04:24] enough and in humans it's very
[00:04:27] difficult
[00:04:30] to find a meaning in the face of
[00:04:32] information you have, I'm going to violence, a single meaning, we need to find meanings
[00:04:35] because it calms us a little, no, always when
[00:04:39] we find a meaning to
[00:04:41] or hidden, and part of tragic issues, no, illness, death,
[00:04:44] injustices, but when we talk about femicides
[00:04:48] we have to refer already to the history of
[00:04:51] psychology, anthropology and sociology, they are clearly
[00:04:55] indicating that the basis of every femicide is the
[00:04:59] construction of a violent masculinity that is often
[00:05:02] covered up because, let's say,
[00:05:05] because this man controls it so that this woman adapts
[00:05:09] a little to the dictates. yes, of
[00:05:13] this person, machismo has that, right? someone who already has a weapon,
[00:05:17] someone who, when a woman uploads a photo he doesn't
[00:05:20] like, when the man loses control
[00:05:24] well, that violence comes out, which in many men, not in
[00:05:27] all of them of course, is there, let's say, in some way
[00:05:31] latent, right? yes, and when the
[00:05:34] family fabric is
[00:05:36] completely broken, dear Pablo, there is no kind of
[00:05:40] containment that can put a stop to this violent person,
[00:05:44] exactly, F, because besides, we always talk about unequal power
[00:05:48] relations, right? starting from this subordination
[00:05:52] or control over women, these men sometimes have
[00:05:55] role models who help them to think, sometimes there's a
[00:05:58] dad, sometimes there's a friend, sometimes there's another man who
[00:06:02] invites them to think, sometimes not, it's a chain of
[00:06:05] violent masculinities that are unleashed for different
[00:06:08] reasons in front of which if a woman presents her
[00:06:11] submission, this is easy, right? I mean, because the man keeps managing this, right? but
[00:06:15] it seems to me that these violences are when control of the woman is lost, which
[00:06:19] this man has been exercising in some way,
[00:06:27] interesting, right? all the alerts that one can
[00:06:31] present and that cannot stop this violent person,
[00:06:35] similarly, if we can come to think that this kid has the weapon in
[00:06:39] his house because he might have a family of criminals. what
[00:06:42] is this kid's brake? none, absolutely
[00:06:46] none, it's what we were saying, sorry, at the beginning, with femicide
[00:06:49] it's from 0 to 100, eh, there are no intermediates because it goes from a
[00:06:53] minor injury, from verbal violence directly to
[00:06:56] femicide because legally there is no institute
[00:06:59] to put in between, so it goes from a minor
[00:07:03] violence to a homicide, it's really good how both of them describe it, Horacio said
[00:07:07] you go from one stage to
[00:07:10] we were telling you at the beginning. program, it was a
[00:07:14] discussion, Jorge, the stepfather, intervenes, tries to calm
[00:07:17] them down, makes a joke,
[00:07:21] calms the situation, calms the situation and leaves, that's where, that's where
[00:07:25] afterwards, in fact, they tell me he walked a few meters, it wasn't an hour
[00:07:28] or half an hour, he walked a few meters, entered the house because there's a kind of hallway
[00:07:41] shortly, eh. In a few minutes it's the farewell to
[00:07:45] Camila,
[00:07:48] exactly, everything is already prepared in a funeral
[00:07:51] home that is a few blocks from Camila's
[00:07:55] house, eh, where the last
[00:07:58] farewell will take place, attention because
[00:08:02] it's true what you were saying, there's a hallway where this young
[00:08:05] Elías Barrio Nuevo had to walk
[00:08:09] to perpetrate
[00:08:13] that hallway his stepfather, badly wounded with shots
[00:08:15] tried to help her,
[00:08:19] the truth is also that there is a bloody handprint
[00:08:23] of Camila on the
[00:08:25] door, she tried to lean
[00:08:29] on one of the walls facing the street and there she
[00:08:33] collapsed until the patrol car arrived and transported both
[00:08:36] Camila and her stepfather to a
[00:08:39] nearby hospital to give them first
[00:08:42] aid. Nothing could be done for Camila, who arrived deceased,
[00:08:46] eh, with her father, her stepfather, eh, yes,
[00:08:50] they could do something, they admitted him, now
[00:08:52] he remains under observation,
[00:08:55] attention because there is direct contact between the
[00:08:58] police authorities and the family of the alleged
[00:09:02] killer, they are in direct dialogue and the
[00:09:06] suspicion of Camila's relatives is that the
[00:09:09] circle of this Elías Barrio Nuevo knows with certainty
[00:09:13] and has definite information about where he would be
[00:09:15] hiding, well, there, eh, they would be
[00:09:19] finding some way to
[00:09:26] Because supposedly the family went to the family and
[00:09:29] told them, "Yes, he's around Merlo," yes, the family didn't
[00:09:32] say that, the family tries to cover it up,
[00:09:36] and remember we always talk about fourth degree blood relation, there's
[00:09:40] cover-up, that's how it is, let's see, uh... also, the
[00:09:45] review it to see if I understood it correctly, the femicide
[00:09:49] is lost out there, so to speak,
[00:09:54] the femicide's family would be collaborating with the investigation to turn him in, you
[00:10:06] family that these
[00:10:09] relatives know for sure where he is
[00:10:12] hiding, that's why what they are asking for is that
[00:10:15] they directly inform the
[00:10:18] authorities, the theory they have, which they shared with
[00:10:21] us a few minutes ago when we were in front of Camila's
[00:10:25] house, is that there
[00:10:29] would be a kind of negotiation,
[00:10:31] as usually happens in these cases, to give concrete
[00:10:34] information that
[00:10:36] leads to a decisive
[00:10:39] operation, but because it's
[00:10:42] life imprisonment and the fun is over, he should turn himself in, he should turn himself in, no, Ema,
[00:10:45] you had said, sorry, maybe I misinterpreted it, that the aunt
[00:10:49] had said that if he appeared she would turn him in, was it from
[00:10:52] Rosario? The aunt said. Yes, yes,
[00:10:55] clear, the aunt said that yes, if he appeared at her house she would
[00:10:59] turn him in, it's very good though, careful, of course, caution,
[00:11:03] why the family, why it doesn't stop being the family, but if here the family is telling
[00:11:07] Emma that they are collaborating with the investigation, yes, but there's part of Camila's
[00:11:15] relatives, as Horacio says, is for example, Quilmes, to say a
[00:11:19] place, no, 70 km difference, it's very
[00:11:32] family, who are writing to you, yes, they are even sending me the
[00:11:36] flyer for the wake, eh, no, because I understand
[00:11:39] that they are having the wake, no, at 6 in the afternoon the wake began, eh, they must
[00:11:43] be there, that's why they are inside, it's 6:40, they still haven't
[00:11:46] come out, that's why they are all inside the place, they are having the wake in Morón,
[00:11:50] eh, from what
[00:11:54] the... friends, friends who are devastated, in a little while I'm also going to show
[00:11:58] you, Emma, the posts they are making on social media with such anger, with such
[00:12:01] understandable hatred, of course,
[00:12:05] but they assure me that he didn't go very
[00:12:09] far, eh, that he wouldn't have gone very far, that there's something that's very good because we're
[00:12:12] sharing that he had a backpack, well, that adds even
[00:12:16] more to the issue of planning, carrying
[00:12:21] it entails, if after the fact he didn't go somewhere
[00:12:25] and pick up clothes, well, but well, both parts make me
[00:12:28] think of planning, at least, let's review what
[00:12:32] we understand by planning, beyond what the law might
[00:12:35] say, he went to the place armed, eh, there
[00:12:39] was a a topic, a disarming topic with
[00:12:44] the discussion even with a joke and everything, he shoots,
[00:12:48] kills, escapes with a
[00:13:09] observation, what they had asked for was the possibility of him being given
[00:13:12] the opportunity to say goodbye to
[00:13:16] evaluating giving him a discharge, I'm
[00:13:20] not a doctor, but if it wasn't a definitive discharge, a temporary discharge or
[00:13:24] a provisional permit so that
[00:13:27] he could attend the farewell that was starting in these
[00:13:31] you will remember they gave her a discharge for a little while to be able
[00:13:34] to go exactly to say goodbye to her daughter. He has
[00:13:38] to appear urgently because look at another detail that
[00:13:41] we always double click on the topic of social networks because today everything happens through social
[00:13:45] networks basically, not all
[00:13:49] police, it's not that only journalism does it, many many
[00:13:52] things are solved through and are solved through networks.
[00:13:55] These eh, well, this one was a
[00:13:58] bit smarter, because he deleted everything,
[00:14:01] he erased everything, I don't know if he did it, I can't confirm this,
[00:14:05] Emma, I don't know if he did it before killing, already
[00:14:09] planning, if he did it afterwards, if he did it afterwards
[00:14:12] it means he still had access to his cell phone and maybe we can track
[00:14:15] that antenna, the last time that phone was
[00:14:18] turned on, I know where you're going, but I don't know because if this
[00:14:22] was planned as we are evaluating, he could
[00:14:25] have deleted everything, gone to Camila's house, shot her and
[00:14:28] disappeared, which also makes sense to me, they have addresses to
[00:14:32] raid, there are already addresses to raid, Emma, we share
[00:14:36] this information with you, do you know if this deletion was done
[00:14:39] before the femicide or
[00:14:45] what Camila's relatives were also
[00:14:48] investigating, because he had a
[00:14:51] cell phone, in fact there are witnesses who say that during his
[00:14:54] escape, he manipulated a
[00:14:57] cell phone because this person you know what he did, he asked
[00:15:00] for help, he asked them to call an ambulance as he was
[00:15:11] person, the femicide, obviously, Elias,
[00:15:14] no, Elias, yes, Elias, coincidence, a lot of
[00:15:17] coincidence, eh, he manipulated his phone, in
[00:15:20] the meantime, after the femicide, there must be a location.
[00:15:32] So you have to have that information somewhere, it has to
[00:15:38] the things we face when we consult
[00:15:41] different judicial or police sources is that these low-level
[00:15:44] killers, so to speak, don't have many resources to remain in
[00:15:48] anonymity
[00:15:51] for a long time, no, at most, at most, a
[00:15:55] week, it's more, but it's more, eh,
[00:15:58] you're his friend and you're not going to hide him because you'll go
[00:16:01] to jail, because you'll go to jail, that's important, so
[00:16:04] evidently if you have him, you who are his friend
[00:16:07] or think you're his friend, and I tell you to get rid of
[00:16:11] him because you're going to... well, but wait, problems here contradict
[00:16:14] each other and I'll put you, I'll put you on the subject, let's see if we have the same
[00:16:17] information, according to what Rosario is told, Elias's
[00:16:21] family would be collaborating, I'll put it in
[00:16:26] turning him in, in turning him in.
[00:16:29] What information do you have more, because Camila's family doesn't believe them,
[00:16:32] part of the family,
[00:16:34] part no, part yes, but they have the
[00:16:38] certainty that they know, that they have information and that this
[00:16:42] kid couldn't have gone very far, we shouldn't overlook
[00:16:45] something either, because there are
[00:16:48] two search operations, one the
[00:16:51] formal and the other the informal, because we know that
[00:16:54] there are people close to Camila
[00:16:57] who are looking for this kid, they are
[00:17:01] looking for him. Attention with that too, that's
[00:17:05] why there's a lot of tension in... place, that's why there's a lot of
[00:17:08] concern,
[00:17:10] because in the end, if they find him in the
[00:17:25] be careful with taking justice into your own hands, let's stop
[00:17:29] for a bit because otherwise we're in the Middle Ages
[00:17:32] of victim, I know,
[00:17:36] Rosario.
[00:17:42] You know what it's like to have someone so young
[00:17:46] and on top of that, on her social media, I was just browsing the internet
[00:17:49] universe and everything I read makes me angrier, she put
[00:17:53] "blessed," she had started a business to sell
[00:17:56] clothes called Las Bratz like the dolls, she's a girl, she's
[00:18:00] young, she had a whole life ahead of her,
[00:18:04] she wanted to keep going to castings, she wanted to succeed, she wanted to be
[00:18:16] famous, she didn't have to be famous for this, she had
[00:18:19] to be famous for her very successful career that surely it was going
[00:18:22] to be like that because she's beautiful and she seemed like a good person, I sent the production a
[00:18:35] sometimes the situation
[00:19:07] collapses you and you say, how much
[00:19:10] more? But what Frasca also says, Emma, and I'll
[00:19:14] go from victim to perpetrator, yes, in
[00:19:17] the blink of an eye, yes, no, no, it's not, it's what
[00:19:22] some relatives, regarding these situations,
[00:19:26] that one understands the anger, one understands how irate they can
[00:19:30] be, but one, from the coldness that implies not
[00:19:33] being directly linked to the pain,
[00:19:37] tends to give them advice, in quotes, to try to trust
[00:19:42] they told us, "The thing is, we know that it will take time to
[00:19:46] find him," eh, that is the certainty
[00:19:49] they have, just like this
[00:19:53] idea you mentioned, he can't go
[00:19:56] very far, he doesn't have the resources to
[00:20:00] go very far, to
[00:20:03] hide for a long time, that's why they ask the
[00:20:06] family, if they loved her so much, as they said earlier today, because the
[00:20:10] statement this aunt gave a few minutes ago, this
[00:20:14] aunt of this Elías Barrio Nuevo said, "We loved this
[00:20:18] girl very much," they recognized that there was some toxicity
[00:20:22] in the relationship, that there were fights, well, she says, "If you loved her so much, why
[00:20:25] don't you say where
[00:20:38] "I just found a phone number of a person who gave me a
[00:20:41] tip," this he doesn't have to tell me, he has to tell
[00:20:45] the police, first, first I warn about that, but
[00:20:48] it's a person who... would assert, I would assert it, I'll say
[00:20:52] it well, to have seen
[00:20:56] Elias at a specific
[00:21:00] a friend's house, he gives me the friend's name, pay attention to what
[00:21:03] Horacio says, it's Z, I'm going to call him that because
[00:21:06] he lives in and he gives me the
[00:21:10] address, "We saw him, he's hiding in
[00:21:13] his house," I'm reading verbatim, this he doesn't have to tell me, I insist, he has to tell the
[00:21:17] police because, let's see, publish.
[00:21:58] where the use of weapons
[00:22:01] is the order of the day, eh, here there's a situation,
[00:22:05] it's very well put on the screen, jealousy, discussion and death, obviously
[00:22:09] one, from just now Pablo Meliquio was saying something that I loved, one, from a human perspective, tries to
[00:22:13] find elements, clearly, justifications to have an answer because
[00:22:16] that calms one down, obviously jealousy and discussion should not
[00:22:20] lead to any death. I found the photo, Frasca had the information that there was
[00:22:23] a photo published by her with another guy and that would have generated, I didn't
[00:22:27] find it, at least in these few minutes I tried to find it to
[00:22:30] show it to you, it's not there, but as Fede says and as the psychologist said, nothing
[00:22:34] justifies him going with the weapon to look for her to kill her and
[00:22:38] he calms the father, the father leaves confident that everything would be fine and
[00:22:41] ends up shooting her and a detail that I didn't know, we haven't mentioned it, he
[00:22:45] shoots him twice in the knees but there's a shot that grazes the father's head,
[00:22:49] this is what a colleague of the father's, from his job,
[00:22:52] from work, in the expertise, I had the information about the two legs, maybe it didn't cause him any injury
[00:22:56] and no injury but it would have, that is, he tried to kill him in the head, clear
[00:23:00] ugh, tremendous, and you already killed your
[00:23:03] girlfriend, your daughter, why wouldn't you shoot him? It's a
[00:23:06] disgusting conclusion, we both
[00:23:10] got the same thing, yes, it's not that he let himself be left there, it was an
[00:23:14] incredible thing, but it seems to me that the drama is that,
[00:23:18] where the hell do we get weapons? Well, look,
[00:23:20] we have access to weapons so easily, obviously it's not
[00:23:24] proven, but as the program developed,
[00:23:27] messages arrived that he is the one who would be the
[00:23:31] neighborhood delinquent, the one who always appears with a different motorcycle, that the weapon
[00:23:35] would be his, in fact, we found we found on social media an image
[00:23:38] where he is flaunting a weapon and it is not the murder weapon, so he has more than one weapon in
[00:23:42] his house, there it is, this is the image, he had uploaded this a week and a
[00:23:46] half ago, high displacement motorcycle, expensive high displacement
[00:23:49] motorcycle. Yes, the possession and yes, it's an old
[00:23:52] weapon in question that is not the murder weapon, of course, that's
[00:23:56] why I say he had more than one weapon in his house, he uploaded this to social media, how
[00:24:00] did no one, this too, so much digital police, this that was talked about at one
[00:24:04] point on all social media, mainly on X, they don't get this, they don't
[00:24:07] realize that I find it in 5 minutes, the
[00:24:11] police don't find it, there's no exclusive squad to dedicate themselves today that
[00:24:14] everything happens digitally, this was on Twitter, no, I found this on Facebook, on
[00:24:18] Facebook, well, on Facebook alarms
[00:24:20] should also go off, right? But well, because I also find
[00:24:24] on Facebook Marketplace how they sell weapons, but they do go off,
[00:24:27] they do go off, the court can cancel this in 3 seconds, I've already tried
[00:24:31] it, I've already tried it, I mean, they put a page of rapists on me in 3 seconds, I went to justice, I said,
[00:24:35] "Look, sir, if I don't go and make the
[00:24:39] complaint, maybe this photo stays, if you didn't make the complaint
[00:24:42] you would stay on the page, but there's no review, well, what Rosario
[00:24:46] raises is that, it seems to me that there should be some kind of constant
[00:24:50] review, you know that you can't publish just anything, right? You know that if you
[00:24:54] publish something, exactly they'll take it down, no, they've taken down my
[00:24:57] Twitter for a reason, let's say.
[00:25:00] specific and I'm going to say, but why don't I understand? They lower it
[00:25:03] automatically. The problem is that there isn't obviously this kind of thing,
[00:25:07] this, this, this knitted family of this boy is absolutely
[00:25:11] broken. The theory, the theory, because the
[00:25:14] matter is divided, the family would be collaborating to hand him over. The aunt spoke, I don't know if
[00:25:18] you heard, she said if he comes. out by my house, I'll turn him in, I want there to be
[00:25:22] justice, but then others contacted me saying that it was an outburst he
[00:25:25] had because he used to have outbursts because he had a psychiatric
[00:25:28] mental health illness and that he should have been medicated, that they had given him
[00:25:32] medicine and he didn't take it.
[00:25:36] Who lets him go, who was the car that dropped him off, there's a car that dropped
[00:25:38] him off, I don't know if it's an app car,
[00:25:42] it's not known, at least I didn't have it, I don't have it proven that he's
[00:25:46] an accomplice. That's an outburst that lasts more than...
[00:25:50] an hour until he grabs the weapon, leaves, premeditates the crime, kills the
[00:25:53] girl, kills, they want to kill the girl's father, well, it's strange.
[00:25:57] The alibi is fine, but I don't think it will work for him, if it doesn't work with
[00:26:00] Vitty Alvarez, it will work.
[00:26:03] From what I understand, I don't have him with a record, he didn't even have a record,
[00:26:06] he didn't even have reports of gender violence
[00:26:10] because it just came to me, well that's good, well what the family members have described
[00:26:13] to us is that obviously everything is violence that was
[00:26:17] more verbal than physical, well
[00:26:20] yes, that's fine, but the kid, if he dedicated himself to
[00:26:24] the world of crime as we see in the photographs,
[00:26:27] let's say, you also know what context you're moving in, unfortunately
[00:26:31] I say it. There are always responsibilities,
[00:26:34] let's say, the truth is that if the guy published that and and and
[00:26:38] well your daughter goes out with that guy and it's not going to go well for her,
[00:26:41] evidently it's not going to go well clearly, then the family
[00:26:45] may not know, the family may not know, the girl
[00:26:48] does know that her boyfriend, but when the relationship is toxic and they
[00:26:52] manipulate you and tell you that they will change for you and they promise you a
[00:26:56] universe of flowers and well and you trust and she's a young
[00:27:00] girl, she was already realizing even I... I was able to talk to her friends and
[00:27:03] with the mothers of her friends, they told me that she was already realizing that the
[00:27:07] relationship was not going. Attention, we have to be more alert, we all have to be more
[00:27:11] alert because these situations don't just appear out of nowhere,
[00:27:15] this is not to blame the victim, the
[00:27:18] victim is the girl and the father, no, but I mean, the contexts must
[00:27:22] be analyzed and you have to get involved, you have to get involved as a parent, you shouldn't be afraid
[00:27:25] to get involved, look at what you say and how not, obviously it's not refuting,
[00:27:29] no, but within this planning the...
[00:27:32] father, the stepfather Jorge, the discussion is
[00:27:38] the discussion he intervenes,
[00:27:40] he calms things down and leaves making jokes with the
[00:27:43] kid, a few
[00:27:46] meters away because the house has a kind of hallway, he hears the
[00:27:49] shot, so he got involved, let's say, he was
[00:27:53] interceding, that's why for me the planning is such, yes, yes,
[00:27:56] that's why when he leaves, he shoots, so it wasn't a
[00:27:59] violent emotion or a moment of anger or an outburst. as they tried to
[00:28:03] tell me, it was something premeditated, he made a joke and then
[00:28:06] he tells me no, I'm going to kill you anyway, he was determined to kill, an outburst
[00:28:10] is noticeable at 10 km, a shot to the neck that
[00:28:13] surely he must have aimed at the head, of course, this is
[00:28:17] how it is, with a single shot he kills, that's incredible,
[00:28:20] no, the quantity, the aim that those who handle
[00:28:24] weapons, the criminals have is incredible, that
[00:28:27] they killed Elias, let's say, on a motorcycle, shooting him, not with
[00:28:31] a single shot. But the one who was driving, the one who was behind on the motorcycle with both motorcycles in
[00:28:35] motion, with one hand, both motorcycles in motion, well, we are
[00:28:38] having people who have shooting instruction, they have weapons
[00:28:42] with shooting instruction, which is and obviously it
[00:28:45] doesn't stop surprising, at least personally, Rosario says, well, I've been covering this type of case for 10
[00:28:49] years, it no longer surprises me. It still surprises
[00:28:53] weapons that there is everywhere, if there are more illegal than legal ones, now I'm going to
[00:28:56] ask you a question because this is a piece of information we wondered about.
[00:29:00] Even with the previous case, the
[00:29:03] neighbors, the friends, the family members
[00:29:07] have a specific place where this killer would be hiding
[00:29:10] in this case, and in the previous case the same thing happened, they had a precise
[00:29:14] location, can something be done with that information, to have the precise location
[00:29:18] because there would be a witness who doesn't dare to make the report but who would have seen him
[00:29:21] enter, well I did it and they went,
[00:29:25] you can call, I can call 911 now with the information they gave me and say
[00:29:28] hey, can you check this block because they're telling me they saw him enter.
[00:29:46] In the two cases we have covered, both that of Elias
[00:29:49] the murdered as well as Elias the killer, the truth is the same name
[00:29:53] for both, Elias was also the name of the victim, the victim of
[00:29:57] the case in both, there are two groups of
[00:30:00] people agreeing to take justice into their own hands, yes,
[00:30:04] in both, one starts right now, in your program, 7 in the evening
[00:30:07] they were already prepared to go to the house, we already have the
[00:30:11] address because they believe the killers are there, moreover, they sent us photos of the alleged
[00:30:14] killers, of the door of the
[00:30:16] house, witness, I insist, these witnesses have to
[00:30:20] dare to make the anonymous report, they can do it by phone, but I mean
[00:30:24] they would have seen one of them enter, his name starts with the letter
[00:30:27] D, enter the house with the motorcycle, yes, there is an issue with
[00:30:31] that of the report. that always comes back because someone always has
[00:30:34] access to the case and unfortunately it always happens with the
[00:30:38] witness, it's regrettable, clear, the opposing
[00:30:41] lawyer, so you always know who it was,
[00:30:45] we are talking about a weak system, a
[00:30:48] weak system on all sides, they don't check social networks, the reports
[00:30:51] transcend, folks, if not, people this is the Middle Ages, it's
[00:30:55] already, it's already, we're totally lost, that's for sure
[00:30:58] it transcends unfortunately.