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[00:00:25] well, uh, the police report, as
[00:00:30] Yes, we had a quite
[00:00:33] difficult winter season, as I told you at the beginning, one bets, continues in
[00:00:36] the fight, because we have been working our whole lives, I am an old person
[00:00:40] now who worked my whole life and continues this, but it was a
[00:00:44] very difficult year, now there are still few
[00:00:47] people I will tell you because on weekdays there are generally always fewer people,
[00:00:51] this place explodes on weekends, luckily we have
[00:00:54] a lot of public on Saturday and Sunday and people already
[00:00:57] know it, it's a very nice place. with good prices, all the stores have
[00:01:01] beautiful merchandise, so people come
[00:01:05] very happy here, you always see fewer people on weekdays, but of
[00:01:09] course because people work, they generally come after 5 in the
[00:01:12] afternoon when they leave the office so it fills up a lot more, with
[00:01:16] the opening of imports, the entry of of of
[00:01:20] merchandise from
[00:01:22] but wait, we'll continue with abroad, did you have to lower prices, I mean
[00:01:26] no, because that's the objective.
[00:01:30] Yes, because the
[00:01:30] me very much to talk about... happy endings in merchandise,
[00:01:33] the imported merchandise comes with very good values, we have to be in
[00:01:37] the competition for sure, and the supplies, you know,
[00:01:41] are not cheap, so, we have to get up to speed because otherwise
[00:01:44] we can't keep manufacturing, you understand, and here there are many people who live
[00:01:48] from sewing, let's say, I have many workshops
[00:01:51] that eh putting the buttonhole, the button, cutting and all that you have
[00:01:55] to keep maintaining them because they worked their whole lives with
[00:01:59] us. What happens is that the imported is imposing itself in a
[00:02:03] terrible way and you have to compete, but well, competition is also
[00:02:06] good, it's healthy,
[00:02:08] you said because one does it, the national merchandise, what I
[00:02:11] manufacture is beautiful, but
[00:02:15] also ask for it, today there are all these platforms that sell a lot of
[00:02:19] mercadería viste
[00:02:23] he gets rid of that yes, what I manufacture you want to know
[00:02:27] you also invest in the digital part, right Ricardo.
[00:03:00] camado, you see, and then another fabric is a plain fabric to
[00:03:03] accompany the garment, you understand,
[00:03:06] a lot of work, all these garments are the ones
[00:03:10] I mean, the list, exactly, just the day of we manufacture, all this is what we manufacture ourselves, there
[00:03:12] to be competitive where do we cut
[00:03:16] costs for the sewers, uh, where are you
[00:03:20] cutting,
[00:03:23] everyone cuts, the sewers cut costs
[00:03:26] too, everyone everyone lowered a little bit so we can continue.
[00:03:30] of this nation, right? Because doing what working, you understand, it's like that, at this moment it's
[00:03:33] like that, earn less to be able to continue in the fight, to
[00:03:36] sell, not to say well, that's fine, but it's not the same
[00:03:40] for everyone, I understand, no, because I say it's not the same to stop
[00:03:44] receiving certain profits than a lady who is
[00:03:48] sitting for hours and hours at a sewing machine whose
[00:03:51] salary was already meager and now we are asking her to cut
[00:03:55] that salary
[00:03:56] even more,
[00:03:59] you know what the issue is, honey, that if you don't cut
[00:04:02] the salary a little bit, no, uh, not the salary, I
[00:04:05] don't want to lower people's salaries, if you don't
[00:04:09] cut a little of the profit,
[00:04:12] it is, and the police are going to unfortunately, there's no work. Before you could earn maybe 60
[00:04:15] or 70% on merchandise, now we are earning 30 or
[00:04:19] 40 just to keep working, uh
[00:04:22] Ricardo, thanks for the person who is in the workshop, one
[00:04:25] keeps them, you guys, thank
[00:04:28] you very much.
[00:04:53] people, do we know anything, we always talk about another policeman killed
[00:04:55] a criminal.
[00:04:58] They tried to steal his truck. and he defended himself
[00:05:01] with shots, he shot down one of the
[00:05:04] thieves, the officer
[00:05:07] was taking the child to
[00:05:10] school.
[00:05:14] Uh, and these are the images, uh, great working
[00:05:18] weekend, Belu, with many
[00:05:21] blue heroes, without capes, that's right, many heroes
[00:05:25] and many cases with happy endings, we can say,
[00:05:28] because in this case, in the confrontations,
[00:05:31] fortunately, police personnel were unharmed and we are not talking about a
[00:05:34] murder but about a criminal shot down, like the case we
[00:05:37] are going to tell next, which happened yesterday afternoon, look at the
[00:05:41] time. It says, uh, 43, broad daylight,
[00:05:45] this 52-year-old sergeant was
[00:05:49] standing at the door of his home about to
[00:05:52] get into his vehicle, his Amarok truck, pay attention to this
[00:05:55] image and now Belu explains it to you, look at the
[00:05:59] hood, they are carrying who the criminal is, that's the escape, that's the escape,
[00:06:02] the camera time is wrong, but that's the escape of the
[00:06:05] criminals, one exactly
[00:06:09] uh ends up playing on the hood. of the
[00:06:13] vehicle in which the criminals were in, the vehicle is driven
[00:06:17] by the accomplices, exactly and one after the shooting
[00:06:21] didn't manage to get in and hung on, got in and hung on, exactly that's
[00:06:24] the escape, we are talking about a gang of criminals, at least
[00:06:28] five, five thugs who were willing to carry
[00:06:32] out this home invasion, now you just said a happy
[00:06:35] ending, you know there are no fatal victims, no innocent
[00:06:39] fatal victims, it hurts
[00:06:43] crime, but I also want to hear our audience,
[00:06:46] right, as we tell people here, Caro, you can leave the number so they can
[00:06:50] also leave us their messages to see if they agree with Belu and
[00:06:53] Pampa, what's up Tami Pampa to everyone on this beautiful Friday,
[00:06:57] well, happy teacher's day to all teachers on this day today, 11
[00:07:01] 56 38 1726, we ask people that
[00:07:04] if they have information about this case or whatever they want to tell us, they also wrote a lot about
[00:07:08] economy, that if we come back later I have a lot of messages that they write to us from all over the
[00:07:12] country. Let them tell us whatever they want, no, he said happy day
[00:07:15] that you are, thank you,
[00:07:20] insecurity and we add Marcela Rañeri who is with us,
[00:07:24] she is a criminal expert, also a
[00:07:26] teacher, I am a professor, professor.
[00:07:30] Marcela, I ask you what is happening,
[00:07:33] especially in the hot suburbs, because
[00:07:36] we are now telling you this case, in a little while there will be
[00:07:39] another one with a shooting. I'm telling you
[00:07:43] there will be another one because it already happened, it's not that I'm getting ahead of myself,
[00:07:47] yesterday a similar event with a police officer shooting a
[00:07:50] thief, uh, clearly in this case
[00:07:53] the good guys are the ones in blue, even if Tamara doesn't like
[00:07:56] it, uh, Pampa, even, sorry, I, well, she
[00:08:00] just asked me, of course yes, of course yes, not always,
[00:08:03] Marcela, you also recognize that some cases of trigger, some
[00:08:07] quite a few cases of quick trigger have earned
[00:08:10] them the name of the damned police.
[00:08:13] Pampa, I'll add Monday's case of the police officer who was driving for Uber and
[00:08:17] shot the 15-year-old criminal exactly, also to add,
[00:08:22] the week we started with, there's a problem with the police
[00:08:26] forces, right? I mean, the problem that I always point out, a problem with
[00:08:29] insecurity
[00:08:31] and the police forces doing what they can to repel those attacks,
[00:08:35] well, that's kind of what we were talking about just now, the makeshift solution extends to
[00:08:39] all areas
[00:08:43] they can is a lot for a police officer, so it's not doing what
[00:08:46] they can, they don't, they do their duty, they try
[00:08:49] to assault them, they defend themselves, yes, in
[00:08:53] the line of duty, they kill the criminal, what's the part, what's
[00:08:56] the part that's not right, their duty shouldn't be to
[00:09:00] be on alert all the time, what we're seeing are
[00:09:03] cases,
[00:09:06] sorry, he was taking the girl to school, I
[00:09:09] add, if they're not alert they get shot, of course. We're
[00:09:12] telling, the uh, the police officer, the sergeant, rank
[00:09:16] of sergeant, was dressed in civilian clothes, off duty,
[00:09:20] fortunately, I'm going to say it in these terms because it's my
[00:09:23] opinion, uh, fortunately he was carrying his service
[00:09:27] weapon and was able to defend himself, let's remember that he was at the door
[00:09:30] of his home with his family inside his house, so,
[00:09:34] anything could have happened, we are talking about five
[00:09:37] armed criminals, they faced each other in a shootout
[00:09:40] at the gate of the sergeant's house, the bullet
[00:09:44] impacts from the criminals remained,
[00:09:47] surely the people on the other side will agree with Tamara,
[00:09:51] so we're going to start listening to her because
[00:09:55] the public, the public is very happy with
[00:09:59] the elimination of criminals from
[00:10:01] life, Dr. Pascual will surely call
[00:10:05] now,
[00:10:09] listen to these things that people have for you and for everyone.
[00:10:13] Excellent police officer, that is a happy ending, one less piece of garbage
[00:10:17] here, they say,
[00:10:20] excellent police officer, happy ending for a hero who removes a
[00:10:24] murderer from the... streets, I think it's very good that people defend
[00:10:27] themselves if the authorities do nothing, only those of us who live in
[00:10:31] the province of Buenos Aires know what it's like, well, if the
[00:10:34] authorities do nothing, uh, yes the authorities do nothing, what from my
[00:10:38] humble place and what I always say on this channel is I hope
[00:10:42] that the authorities do not put people or police officers who are off
[00:10:45] duty at risk because they have to rest at some point, girls, that's what I was pointing out, yes, that's
[00:10:49] true, let's see, they don't have to be all the time with their service weapon in their
[00:10:53] hand, sorry, the other day in Elías's case, people said that they don't
[00:10:57] have resources, plate, come on, here we go Fiora, Fiora
[00:11:00] also has a fist full of truths, breaking
[00:11:02] news,
[00:11:09] police versus criminals, it's
[00:11:12] all there, three cases in less than 24 hours,
[00:11:14] assault, pursuit and
[00:11:18] shootout,
[00:11:21] there are three wounded and detained robbers,
[00:11:26] pay attention to this video because it is tremendous, also yesterday
[00:11:29] territory of the western area of the Conurbano, look, look, listen,
[00:11:33] come on,
[00:11:37] this is the part, the final part, if we can put the
[00:11:41] video of of the confrontation because it is tremendous, he is
[00:11:45] down, here we already see him on the ground, I'll
[00:11:49] send it to you again, Martin, with blood, the truth is this
[00:11:52] data of three cases in less than 24. Now it
[00:11:56] does mark a statistic that should alarm those in
[00:11:59] charge of security in Argentina,
[00:12:02] no debate, yes, yes, yes, there was a debate
[00:12:05] afterwards, right? About Santili and Alonso, he
[00:12:09] joined later, do you remember the case we talked about yesterday at school?
[00:12:13] Yes, about the retired former commissioner,
[00:12:16] well, there was an exchange there between Patricia and
[00:12:19] Alonso, it seems to me for the national government, all
[00:12:23] the insecurity incidents happen in the city, right? And well, obviously
[00:12:27] Alonso demanding more budget, then we'll see the
[00:12:31] tweets, we go back to
[00:12:33] the same thing, uh, you have a
[00:12:36] budget, you adapt it to the
[00:12:39] needs
[00:12:41] uh because otherwise it's always easy to blame the government,
[00:12:45] precisely the item that the national government is not sending you that is destined
[00:12:48] for security, I think it's a joke, of course, what Patricia
[00:12:52] Bullrich pointed out was that, right? That they continue to maintain a
[00:12:55] number of ministries, she emphasized the Ministry of Women,
[00:12:59] well, that's true, right? One, one
[00:13:03] gives priorities to some
[00:13:06] items for precisely, I mean, security should
[00:13:10] be one of the main
[00:13:12] concerns, right, of governments, the security of
[00:13:15] citizens, Tamara just said that
[00:13:18] police officers are not part of Argentina,
[00:13:22] so it is logical that it is part of Argentina. Although it
[00:13:25] happens because obviously there is a larger population in the province
[00:13:29] of Buenos Aires, we report many more
[00:13:32] criminal acts, but this does not mean that the government should look the other
[00:13:35] way, I mean, what is the province of Buenos Aires proposing today?
[00:13:39] Hey, watch out, we are also experiencing all this
[00:13:42] insecurity due to the entry of drug trafficking, I mean,
[00:13:45] are they, yes, what not, I mean, what are you going to tell me that drugs
[00:13:49] don't enter the
[00:13:52] sectors, they are two different crimes. Two different
[00:13:55] crimes and it seems that drugs started to enter from 2023,
[00:13:59] even from December 2023,
[00:14:02] look, I sometimes see your faces and it's like defeated, well, yes, drug trafficking is already
[00:14:06] here, it's not, I think we have to give a house, I don't even
[00:14:10] think it's understood, again we always say it, not even developed countries
[00:14:13] can combat drug trafficking, it's a
[00:14:16] super complicated problem.
[00:14:19] Let's go back to the video because the image is tremendous, uh, put it on full with
[00:14:23] the audios because
[00:14:25] look,
[00:14:27] neighbor recording, uh, the criminal or the criminals' car
[00:14:31] is that one going in reverse, the police already face to
[00:14:34] face,
[00:14:36] they wanted to escape, they were coming, they were coming from a pursuit, here
[00:14:40] they are intercepted, but they were already coming from a pursuit and shootout, you can hear the
[00:14:44] audio, get out, police, he
[00:14:46] says,
[00:14:53] there are several others.
[00:14:55] It's a patrol car that was blocking their way, a parked car from a
[00:14:58] neighbor, and the criminals trying to escape
[00:15:02] even while being aimed at by the officers, then
[00:15:05] they finally get out of the car, they're going to be arrested, all three
[00:15:09] with bullet wounds, Belu,
[00:15:12] uh, this is a constant, Belu, the ages of these
[00:15:18] minors and so on, I understand that in this
[00:15:20] case they are all adults, well, Pampa will check it, I'll
[00:15:24] tell you, look.
[00:15:43] You mentioned the judge because, well, the judge has to do with
[00:15:46] the juvenile criminal regime that we all know, the habeas
[00:15:50] corpus, we know that in Lomas de Zamora something happens today and it's
[00:15:53] suspended, not in the whole province, it's only in Lomas, just so it's
[00:15:57] clear, because it would seem like it's suspended, no, it's only in
[00:16:00] Lomas, uh, but we have not only
[00:16:03] Pascual, we have the justice full of these judges, unfortunately.
[00:16:16] I don't think it's logical, I think she's despicable.
[00:16:20] Let's stop the character, but have you heard in other cases about
[00:16:23] you, you've heard when she talks about Kim, about the case of, yes, there,
[00:16:27] there I think she makes a tremendous error of interpretation of the case,
[00:16:30] but she doesn't even know what she ruled, well, but
[00:16:33] she doesn't know what the case of the boy who kills the
[00:16:37] I don't even want to talk about it, the case is in La Plata anyway, she has nothing to do with that
[00:16:41] case, but she says, she fell, she says she
[00:16:44] fell,
[00:16:48] it's an interpretation, maybe maybe they told
[00:16:52] her, she didn't read it well, but Kim was killed, they
[00:16:55] dragged her in a car, she didn't fall out of any car,
[00:17:00] the debate, we have a couple of tips and
[00:17:03] we'll continue with this case and all the cases of insecurity there are.
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[00:18:38] Breaking
[00:18:39] news,
[00:18:47] pursuit, shootout and death,
[00:18:50] police killed criminal on roof of a
[00:18:52] house,
[00:18:55] the thief was moving armed on a stolen
[00:18:57] motorcycle.
[00:19:05] and another episode again. In this case in Mar
[00:19:08] del Plata, exactly, in the town of Mar del
[00:19:11] Plata, a criminal who was on the roofs
[00:19:15] of the houses in a neighborhood, fleeing, fleeing on
[00:19:18] foot, he was coming from a pursuit, that is, a patrol car was
[00:19:22] pursuing him, you heard, they shot him, Mrs.
[00:19:25] Guerra says they shot one here, exactly,
[00:19:29] because one of the neighbors, upon hearing the situation, took out his cell phone and recorded, a
[00:19:33] child, it's the voice of a child, who tells his dad,
[00:19:36] of course, that he was.
[00:20:00] because here it can lead to the interpretation of an
[00:20:04] excess of an excess by this police officer because Puente goes
[00:20:07] over the roof, he is
[00:20:10] fleeing
[00:20:12] uh this this here I give you the right at least of the
[00:20:15] doubts in this I give you the right of the doubt, he was armed,
[00:20:19] he had a revolver, we have to see if there was also an exchange of
[00:20:23] shots, yes, he didn't manage to shoot and before
[00:20:27] fleeing over the roofs of those houses, he was
[00:20:30] driving a motorcycle with a
[00:20:34] warrant for seizure, that is, a stolen motorcycle, we are talking about stolen motorcycles there,
[00:20:38] so the pursuit begins, he leaves the vehicle, his
[00:20:41] foot chase begins, he climbs onto the roofs and they were pursuing him and well, it ends
[00:20:45] this way, Virginia Sosa is on the line,
[00:20:48] journalist. How are you
[00:20:50] Virginia?
[00:20:54] Well, well, good morning to you, Pampa and the whole team. Yes, as they were
[00:20:58] saying, we are talking about a criminal who had an
[00:21:01] extensive criminal record here in the city of Mar del Plata, who
[00:21:04] even, uh, in one of his
[00:21:07] arrests, uh, was a fugitive from
[00:21:10] justice, was wanted by justice. And
[00:21:15] it states, that he was crouching on top
[00:21:19] of the roof of the garage of that house
[00:21:22] with a .38 in his hand, that's why the police
[00:21:26] officer, faced with the fact that he was
[00:21:30] being aimed at, reacts by opening fire
[00:21:33] and well, one of the impacts caused the
[00:21:36] death of the criminal. Uh,
[00:21:39] how is the investigation here, I mean,
[00:21:42] because there is material, at least the
[00:21:45] video that this child records does not show a criminal crouching
[00:21:49] wanting to... stop, but a criminal running, that's why I say,
[00:21:53] this video will be crucial in the case, today that police officer
[00:21:56] is retired, separated, is he
[00:21:58] detained?
[00:22:02] No, prosecutor Salas, who is leading this investigation, did
[00:22:06] not order the detention of the police
[00:22:09] officer, yes, so far, obviously for a logical reason
[00:22:13] that he has to do with evidence and so on,
[00:22:15] his service weapon is
[00:22:18] obviously under the
[00:22:21] jurisdiction of justice for the investigation to see how it
[00:22:24] all happened and also the seizure of the
[00:22:27] other part of the deceased criminal, his
[00:22:31] weapon that he was carrying, a .38, now, but
[00:22:34] yes, yes, keep telling us, but I
[00:22:38] wanted to ask if this is part of the official procedure, right? For example,
[00:22:42] he is not detained, but he has been removed from his
[00:22:45] duties.
[00:22:48] No, exactly, this exactly,
[00:22:51] he is not deprived of his freedom, yes, because
[00:22:55] so far prosecutor Salas has not ordered it, we are talking about
[00:22:58] this criminal who came from Villa
[00:23:01] Palangana, the problematic Villa Palangana and
[00:23:05] from there the pursuit begins that ends in the Benizario
[00:23:08] Roldán neighborhood, well, there
[00:23:13] the motorcycle, because in his run he starts
[00:23:17] to be on the roofs of the houses. That's
[00:23:21] where the police and the criminal confront each other, pay attention because I'm
[00:23:25] reading uh the colleagues from the newspaper La Capital de Mar
[00:23:28] del Plata uh the title says: the
[00:23:32] autopsy complicates the police officer who killed a criminal
[00:23:35] during a pursuit, the autopsy result confirmed that Gustavo
[00:23:39] Buenahora died from a 9mm caliber shot that entered behind his
[00:23:43] right ear and exited through his left parietal, the trajectory,
[00:23:46] the pursuit video and the testimonies will be key.
[00:23:50] to determine if the police officer acted according to protocol, be careful with
[00:23:53] this, uh, we have Marcelo Kums on the line also, I would like to know
[00:23:57] his opinion on what you are saying at this moment, Marcelo, good afternoon, we greet you with
[00:24:01] the whole team, good afternoon and greetings to everyone,
[00:24:04] I don't know if you were able to hear the report that
[00:24:08] Pampa was reading from the local media, where
[00:24:12] the situation of the police officer who ends the life of this
[00:24:15] criminal is complicated, yes, normal. When
[00:24:19] unfortunately armed confrontations
[00:24:22] occur, it is always initially complicated for a police
[00:24:25] officer if a criminal is shot down, because basically
[00:24:28] it is a person who killed another, it is a homicide,
[00:24:32] no, then little by little it adapts or is framed in
[00:24:36] legitimate defense or in the fulfillment of his duty, in
[00:24:39] this case it will be observed that the criminal although he already has a,
[00:24:43] the person who shoots him is a person who is in a
[00:24:47] criminal activity. That's what we did, they are in
[00:24:51] pursuit, if he was on the roof he was at height, it's a tactical advantage par
[00:24:55] excellence of height, yes, he can observe better and if he had a gun in his
[00:24:59] hand, whoever
[00:25:02] shoot him, uh, then the experts will see if he shot
[00:25:05] him because, let's see, here I ask you too, I have Marcela on the
[00:25:09] floor, everyone who is here, let's see, Pampa just pointed
[00:25:13] it out, he was fleeing, there was no concrete
[00:25:16] danger to anyone, well, but he was a person.
[00:25:23] with a lengthy criminal record, not as Pampa says, a COMICET investigator, no,
[00:25:25] but the police don't know the criminal's
[00:25:29] background at the time of shooting, that doesn't matter,
[00:25:32] of course, and yes it does matter,
[00:25:36] to hear a dissenting voice in this whole conglomerate of
[00:25:39] similar voices, Nati, why is it different for you, it's different
[00:25:43] because I mean, if the pursuit was
[00:25:46] because the motorcycle had a warrant for capture or had been
[00:25:50] stolen, it has nothing to do with the person who was fleeing, you don't
[00:25:54] know him, you don't know that, that's more than
[00:25:56] clear, that's more than clear, so it's a criminal, he possibly
[00:26:00] stole the motorcycle, it has nothing to do with
[00:26:03] it here,
[00:26:11] the prosecutor will have to determine if there was an exchange of shots because the police officer's account that he
[00:26:14] took cover, the video complicates it, it's not seen in the
[00:26:17] video, we'll have to see later, it's as Marcelo says, it's as Marcelo
[00:26:21] says, I'll say hello to him in passing that I've shared here,
[00:26:25] we still don't know how the whole sequence was or all the
[00:26:28] investigations.
[00:26:32] sido al revés y el delincuente con ese revólver calibre 38 que tenía entre sus manos le hubiese disparado y hubiese mandado
[00:26:42] what I'm going to say, but what would have happened if it had been the other way around and the criminal with that .38 caliber revolver he had in his hands had shot him and had sent
[00:26:46] him it's counterfactual
[00:26:49] potentially the danger is potentially the danger is, yes, but
[00:26:53] Marcela, crime is not judged like that. you know it well,
[00:26:57] that's why you have to be very careful because when we also want
[00:27:00] justice from the side of the criminals, we also want
[00:27:03] justice to act as it should, applying the law when these things
[00:27:07] happen, or at least I want that, I don't know about you. He gave the command to stop,
[00:27:10] obviously, I want to think, but the police officer first gives what is called
[00:27:14] a verbal warning. The verbal warning is when you hear them
[00:27:17] shout, "I'll run you over, police, police, you're already dead." Well, he did that
[00:27:21] very protocol-like, it was good then. Marcelo, yes,
[00:27:24] it's fine, now we have to see the
[00:27:28] let's consider something: the person is fleeing, it's fine, because many of
[00:27:31] us say, "Let's put him to flight and de-urbanize him."
[00:27:35] sea si hay que mantener un enfrentamiento significa llevémos para la zona rural
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