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[00:04:01] I told you, disappearance and mystery, Melis, well,
[00:04:05] 1 products with lower prices per where is this young man, what is his life like, another case
[00:04:09] of a person who apparently was swallowed
[00:04:12] by the earth, what do we know, Cristian, about this young man, under what
[00:04:15] conditions did he disappear, well, now we are in the province of San Luis, the
[00:04:19] family is totally desperate, we are talking about Maximiliano
[00:04:23] Cabrera went with his brother to meet at a
[00:04:26] place, in a landfill precisely, they meet.
[00:04:30] landfill, at one point his brother leaves with some people and
[00:04:33] Maximiliano stays with a couple, well, when his
[00:04:36] brother returns, a couple of his, no, no, a couple, a
[00:04:40] boy and a girl who were there, he stays with them, his brother leaves with another
[00:04:44] group, when his brother returns to the landfill to this meeting place,
[00:04:48] there we made a map to show how they
[00:04:51] everything, Maximiliano is not there, they don't find him anywhere, how old is
[00:04:54] Maxi, eh, we are talking about Maximiliano being around
[00:04:57] 30 years old. He's an adult, there
[00:05:01] he is, there we are observing, he arrives at approximately 4 in the
[00:05:04] morning, he meets these people, eh,
[00:05:08] Maximiliano stays in the place with this couple I told you, and when his
[00:05:12] sister returns. with these friends, he was no longer there, what is the information here that
[00:05:15] the prosecutor's office is investigating and that is being sought at this moment in that
[00:05:19] landfill, that Maximiliano had had a fight with that
[00:05:22] male, that they fought badly, they made up, but something had
[00:05:26] remained, well, absolutely nothing is known, nothing is known,
[00:05:30] and how long did his brother take from when he went to see him
[00:05:34] until he arrived at the place where he was, we asked for the details, his family,
[00:05:37] just like Susana, who is a mom,
[00:05:41] is with us. connected live, welcome
[00:05:44] unbeatable on the Crónica screen, Susana, how
[00:05:46] are you, good morning, how are you, good
[00:05:50] morning, thank you for taking our call, Susana, tell us
[00:05:53] because surely you are much more involved in this investigation and
[00:05:57] maybe you have some data or something, what do
[00:06:00] you know,
[00:06:03] nothing, still, it's been 14 days that nothing
[00:06:06] is known about him,
[00:06:09] eh, we are the family, all of us who are going... to look for
[00:06:13] him, we are going to sweep because the San Luis police, the officers
[00:06:16] are going to come two, three, no more to the same place, the
[00:06:20] same part, we are tired of
[00:06:23] saying, yes, we are tired of saying, they have their
[00:06:26] materials, they have drones, they have horses, they have everything,
[00:06:30] we can lose him in that place, if I had a horse, I would grab
[00:06:34] it and go on a horse to look for my son because I am desperate, they have all the
[00:06:38] materials and they keep saying yes tomorrow that
[00:06:41] we will pass. intuition, what
[00:06:44] does it tell you, that perhaps he went, in inverted commas, to take
[00:06:48] some kind of trip, he's
[00:06:52] something happened to him and he's
[00:06:54] there?
[00:06:57] Mother's intuition, I know he is there and he has become disoriented
[00:07:00] and I say that he has gone to the field because that field is very big,
[00:07:04] immense, immense, immense, Susana, excuse me,
[00:07:07] do you think he has been lost for 13 days wandering around
[00:07:11] the field, it would be strange because in 13 days you can walk
[00:07:14] many kilometers, he could have reached the edge of the
[00:07:18] field,
[00:07:21] that field is enormous, it's very big, that field is enormously
[00:07:24] big, they don't look for him everywhere, they go and look for him in the
[00:07:28] same part, in the same part, could I
[00:07:30] ask Susana, why do you think he is
[00:07:34] disoriented, does he have any, let's say, any
[00:07:38] problem
[00:07:39] that he forgets things
[00:07:42] he doesn't, he doesn't have any problems, it's what happens when he
[00:07:46] look, I'm going to tell you, I'm a mother, I live with Maxi, with my son who
[00:07:50] got lost and Fabricio who are brothers, they both
[00:07:53] left at 4:30 in the
[00:07:57] morning from my house, 25 de Mayo and Chauso, they
[00:08:00] walked, cutting through until they reached the field,
[00:08:04] when they arrived at the municipal dump, they arrived at about 10 in the
[00:08:08] morning, my son had already been awake all night, he
[00:08:11] had been drinking, because I'm not going to lie, I'm going to tell the truth, my son
[00:08:15] drinks
[00:08:16] like that,
[00:08:20] for two days my son hadn't slept
[00:08:24] and was awake all night,
[00:08:27] you mean he was he was
[00:08:31] intoxicated looking for trash
[00:08:34] intoxicated he had been drinking, he
[00:08:38] was
[00:08:39] around.
[00:08:42] Did this always happen or did your other son
[00:08:45] tell you? No, they both live
[00:08:48] with me, my son Maxi who got lost and Fabricio live with me
[00:08:52] and they left from my house where I rent
[00:08:56] he left drunk with my son, both of them, but you saw him that
[00:08:59] morning because I'm asking you this because it was 4 o'clock, yes,
[00:09:03] yes I saw him, yes I saw him, because he was living with me and he left from my
[00:09:07] house with me, I was awake, up when they
[00:09:11] left and I told him, both of them, not to go because it was
[00:09:14] very cold and it was about to rain, ah, Susana, and this
[00:09:18] couple who are the last ones who saw your son, what
[00:09:22] did they say, what did they tell, I mean, is there any information they could have given because if they
[00:09:25] saw him, they were with him in that landfill,
[00:09:28] what can they
[00:09:30] tell
[00:09:33] what can I tell you, my son, I'm going to tell you, they arrived at 10 in the morning
[00:09:36] and my son's feet were hurting, nothing else, he had been awake for two days
[00:09:39] drinking, he told
[00:09:43] his brother that he was going to rest, that his legs hurt a lot and
[00:09:46] that he was going to lie down for a while because there are shacks there, there are
[00:09:49] mattresses, there is trash, he was going to lie down to
[00:09:52] rest, there in the
[00:09:55] field because there is a huge field around the landfill,
[00:09:58] there are shacks there, Susana, and what, for example, what
[00:10:02] hypotheses do the investigators
[00:10:05] have so far, what, what do they interpret could have happened,
[00:10:08] they don't even know, I tell you that...
[00:10:10] no saben ni ellos, así le digo que...
[00:10:12] it's a shame that we don't have a way to get around and we have to
[00:10:16] pay ourselves, looking for him to take us, for him to bring
[00:10:20] us to look for my son, they go two, three days and they tell
[00:10:24] you... yesterday we were there with the judge and she
[00:10:27] told us that she had
[00:10:31] people looking for him, we don't know if it's true that she had people
[00:10:34] or not, because many people go to the landfill and they inform
[00:10:37] us, no, there are no police officers, nobody,
[00:10:40] Susi, had he ever
[00:10:42] left home, had he taken a little trip without notifying, he
[00:10:46] stayed two or three days at a friend's house and forgot to
[00:10:49] notify you, he went out partying and didn't come back.
[00:10:53] in order to understand if this behavior was ever
[00:10:55] repeated,
[00:10:57] no, never
[00:11:00] he has never gone out anywhere, the questions you
[00:11:04] ask me, never, he always goes to the landfill, it's not
[00:11:07] the first time my son goes to the landfill, he knows the
[00:11:11] landfill, Las Palmas, but he looks for something, they use
[00:11:14] it to be relaxed there, what
[00:11:17] does he look for, no, he goes to look for, he
[00:11:21] goes to look for aluminum, he goes to look for copper, the work, the work
[00:11:29] he is a worker who goes to look for it there, ah, ah, okay, okay, he works, he
[00:11:33] works, and when he collects all his things, aluminum, copper, all that, he calls a freight forwarder, they all
[00:11:37] pay for it and they bring the things to the
[00:11:38] junk shop
[00:11:41] time
[00:11:44] I wanted to ask you about this baby who is on
[00:11:47] the way, eh, how is
[00:11:50] your son's wife or partner doing, was this a planned
[00:11:54] pregnancy, how is that situation, yes,
[00:11:58] yes, she's here, do you want her to sit here
[00:12:02] ask us,
[00:12:05] she has an 8-year-old girl and is 6 months pregnant, yes, we are
[00:12:09] looking for Maxi's wife who is there and who disappeared 13 days ago, guys,
[00:12:13] a long time ago, he was intoxicated, he has a
[00:12:16] consumption problem, at 4 in the morning he left the house where he lives with his mother and
[00:12:20] with his other brother Fabricio, eh, he
[00:12:23] met a couple, something happened
[00:12:26] there, a quarrel, a
[00:12:28] misunderstanding, not entirely clarified, his
[00:12:31] brother leaves, Caro just asked how
[00:12:34] long, how long were they without
[00:12:38] seeing each other face to face, because when Fabricio returns, Maxi was no
[00:12:41] longer there, here we are Susi, mom is going to connect us with Maxi's
[00:12:45] partner who is also
[00:12:47] there, there she is, there
[00:12:51] she is, let's talk, how
[00:12:54] are you? I imagine you're worried,
[00:12:57] of course, and yes, it's been 13 days,
[00:13:01] 13 days, I just asked Susana the same thing, I'm asking
[00:13:04] you, the question that I generally like to
[00:13:08] ask in these cases, what does your intuition
[00:13:11] tell you?
[00:13:14] The truth is that we think he is in the field,
[00:13:18] because we went with the family to sweep the
[00:13:22] place and it is a huge field it has. and you walk everywhere and you get
[00:13:25] disoriented, but I'm asking you this,
[00:13:28] listen, because I just said the same
[00:13:31] thing to Susana, first that for 13 days you have to
[00:13:34] eat and you have to survive
[00:13:38] minimally by drinking water and eating something because no one resists
[00:13:41] for 13 days without eating, especially if you are well fed, let's say
[00:13:45] you get totally hungry, I mean, 13 days
[00:13:48] walking to any part of the field, you get somewhere
[00:13:51] considering that you will be walking to Luján for a day.
[00:13:55] No, you can't leave there, you can't
[00:13:59] search, we were on top of the dump because the field
[00:14:03] is in front of the dump and when I climbed up to see, it's
[00:14:06] huge, it's huge and it's all around the
[00:14:10] pit that would be the dump, the dump is also huge, but I don't
[00:14:14] understand why you can't leave there, the same
[00:14:17] thing, why can't you leave there, what's there, who's
[00:14:21] inside,
[00:14:24] because of animals. how are there animals, there's everything, there are
[00:14:28] animals, there's everything, there are vendors, there's everything and that
[00:14:31] place is huge, now Brenda, do you suspect this guy named
[00:14:35] Chelo Lucero, is this person who at one
[00:14:38] point had a problem, he was in the
[00:14:41] place, he was in the place, but we don't want to
[00:14:44] say anything, nothing until we have evidence or anything, so
[00:14:47] no,
[00:14:49] no,
[00:14:51] it can't be, anything can be because we don't know, but until I have
[00:14:55] proof, I'm not going to accuse anyone or anything, oh sorry, I'm
[00:14:59] thinking about something because the landfill is municipal, right? The landfill belongs to the
[00:15:03] municipality, aren't they looking for him from the municipality? I mean, aren't they
[00:15:06] interested in knowing if there's a person who is lost, injured,
[00:15:10] unconscious, with health
[00:15:12] problems?
[00:15:14] No, the truth is that we are fighting now for them to please
[00:15:18] use the machines, the drones, the
[00:15:21] horses, which are necessary things that we need for them to look for him and it's
[00:15:25] impossible, we've been fighting this since the day he disappeared until today
[00:15:29] and they always give us the same
[00:15:32] answer, we get the information they
[00:15:35] have.
[00:15:37] The police, the information they have is information that we have
[00:15:41] given them, that we have obtained, they don't notify
[00:15:45] us anything, regarding what Lore was asking you just now, I mean, the
[00:15:48] searches and so on were carried out, I mean, could there be some hole that he fell
[00:15:52] into?
[00:15:57] Yes, we all went, but they went with the dogs and all that
[00:16:01] stuff and they didn't find anything, oh, they went, well, they're
[00:16:04] moving,
[00:16:07] in the field across the street they have only searched a small
[00:16:10] piece and we are fighting for them to search the entire
[00:16:14] field because that field is huge, he didn't have a cell phone, we don't know
[00:16:17] if he's okay, if something happened to him, if he got disoriented and he's
[00:16:21] not well, what kind of animals are there, you
[00:16:24] told me there are animals, what kind of
[00:16:27] everything, pig, cow, everything,
[00:16:31] like the farmers who live there, it can be
[00:16:34] dangerous, cell phone. That, no,
[00:16:37] Brenda, he didn't have it, no, no, no, because if not it would have been easier,
[00:16:41] and in that place there's no
[00:16:45] signal, no signal, do you know if he took clothes, he took
[00:16:48] anything, any belonging that's not there, no, with what he had on, no, with what he
[00:16:51] had on, he always came back, besides you're
[00:16:55] pregnant so obviously no, I have a daughter
[00:16:58] with him too, so sure, the truth is, I'm telling
[00:17:01] you something, it's worrying from the point of view
[00:17:05] that there is no... any indication of anything, because, let's see, he has
[00:17:08] a daughter, you're pregnant, it's strange, it
[00:17:11] doesn't seem like I'm going to buy cigarettes and I'll be right back, that's not the
[00:17:14] case, for me, I mean, sorry to say
[00:17:18] this, perhaps something bad happened to him in the
[00:17:22] field,
[00:17:23] we have doubts about
[00:17:26] that,
[00:17:27] statement,
[00:17:31] Brenda, Brenda, sorry, because on the screen
[00:17:35] it says.
[00:17:45] Did they take a statement from this couple who found him or who
[00:17:48] claims to have seen him in the landfill?
[00:17:51] Everyone has given a statement, everyone
[00:17:55] and they haven't adopted but it's not certain either, so
[00:17:58] we don't know only
[00:18:02] what did that couple say about
[00:18:04] your husband?
[00:18:07] I don't know, we don't know because they don't give us information, we go to look for information and
[00:18:10] they say they can't give us information yet, so we don't understand, do they work
[00:18:14] with a drone with a thermal camera, these cameras
[00:18:17] that can
[00:18:21] is moving around the field, because with a thermal camera you can see if
[00:18:25] there is someone who is at 35 or 36 degrees, you quickly
[00:18:28] identify that, that's good, the case of San
[00:18:32] Luis, the missing boy, do you remember that he appeared after
[00:18:35] how long, a week. What happens is I was also thinking about what his
[00:18:39] mother said, don't go because it's very cold that morning, I mean, the
[00:18:43] thermal conditions of those days could have played a
[00:18:46] trick on him, but listen, nothing appeared regarding Maxi, because I mean
[00:18:49] we're going to, sorry Brenda, this is horrible what happened
[00:18:53] to him, something bad happened in the
[00:18:56] field, nothing appears, his shirt doesn't appear, his
[00:19:00] cap doesn't appear, his shoe, sorry, go ahead, you wanted to say something,
[00:19:03] excuse us, yes, sorry, the
[00:19:06] topic that Cristian
[00:20:18] is a specialist in, go ahead, I know the family won't like what I'm going to say, but unfortunately, investigations are
[00:20:21] like this, first the family is investigated, that circle, and then it opens up, I
[00:20:25] want to ask specifically, Jorge, Jorge Osán,
[00:20:29] Maxi's brother, around 10 in the
[00:20:32] morning, Maximiliano told his brother that he was going to rest because his legs hurt
[00:20:36] after walking.
[00:20:50] "Listen, they left their mother's
[00:20:52] house at
[00:20:54] 4:30,
[00:20:57] they arrived at the landfill at about 6 in the morning,
[00:21:00] they started eating at 10 in the morning, my partner told
[00:21:04] his younger brother that he was going to
[00:21:07] sleep, but not in the landfill but
[00:21:11] in the field across the street where there are all kinds of shacks, there's a place like that where they go to
[00:21:14] sleep,
[00:24:59] who planned to kill all
[00:25:02] his classmates, do you know how they
[00:25:06] found out? No, I'm not going to tell you now, in a
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