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[00:00:00] I was just telling you that we talked to someone from the culture sector, a
[00:00:03] very renowned producer a few minutes ago, eh, there are many
[00:00:07] people from culture who directly
[00:00:09] began to support Lula in the last period, because they realized
[00:00:14] other products that are part of what had happened with Bolsonaro, this also added many
[00:00:17] votes to him, because the followers of these people, those who are artists
[00:00:21] and so on, added many votes to
[00:00:24] Lula too, this must also be said, and the polls, when
[00:00:28] they started to go much more towards Bolsonaro, they started to
[00:00:31] equalize and again put Lula in front, it has to
[00:00:35] do with these campaigns that these artists did in
[00:00:49] Brazil, uh, what can happen with the economy if Bolsonaro
[00:00:53] wins, if in case Bolsonaro wins, does the economy change
[00:00:56] or not, whether Bolsonaro wins or Lula wins, it has
[00:01:00] to change, it has to change, if not we will have a
[00:01:03] crisis, so it has to change
[00:01:07] and see what project both have for change, the election
[00:01:10] is like elections, you see, they promise
[00:01:14] everything, then not, but they didn't promise how they are going to
[00:01:17] fulfill it, which is what we have to see,
[00:01:21] is it a wish, Roberto, or is there something concrete that you see
[00:01:25] that Bolsonaro or Lula will take a measure that would change
[00:01:28] Brazil. for now only good
[00:01:32] intentions, but as Machiavelli said, the road to hell is
[00:01:35] paved with good intentions, for
[00:01:48] seeing that, that race that Lula made, he made it
[00:01:50] practically throughout the campaign, why does he run out, why did
[00:01:54] he run out to the events, because they had said that he was very sick,
[00:01:58] even during the campaign it was said: that wasn't Lula but a double of
[00:02:01] Lula, but this obviously Lula denied
[00:02:03] it, sorry, Tamí, the hat has to do with the fact that he
[00:02:07] has skin cancer and they detected it in the scalp
[00:02:11] area, clear, now this that he is so close with the votes and
[00:02:15] that there is talk of an October 25th, a runoff and so on, who does it favor,
[00:02:18] because let's see, he is a president who if the economy
[00:02:22] were very good, if the workers' rights were not
[00:02:25] discussed, he would have to win easily, what is it due to,
[00:02:29] an ideological issue, there it is, uh, Brazil is a divided country, Roberto
[00:02:33] just said that from the middle of Rio de Janeiro upwards it's
[00:02:36] Lula, from Rio de Janeiro downwards it's Bolsonaro, they are two different countries,
[00:02:40] more in the south in Porto Alegre, they even thought of
[00:02:44] becoming independent of what has to do with it, also Lula's
[00:02:47] coalition expanded or not, Carlos, because it includes Marina Silva,
[00:02:51] who was her opponent at the time, well, but that's precisely to
[00:02:54] expand, gain votes and become more competitive, she is third in the polls,
[00:02:58] which is what she just said. important
[00:03:12] large difference for Lula with institutional, well, she continues in the formula and she is the one who has the precise link, the artists did a
[00:03:16] people, who since yesterday also in campaign, repercussions, right, of the
[00:03:20] the microphone, the microphone, in fact Lula trusts to win in the first
[00:03:24] round, in fact the reports say that they did everything with this
[00:03:28] artistic movement to support Lula's candidacy and deny this that
[00:03:32] he is in poor health, well, now the issue comes
[00:03:35] because there was an event in Rio de Janeiro, following what you said, Nadiar, there was an event
[00:03:39] called by Caetano Veloso, Caetano Veloso at one point started to
[00:03:42] call, but it was also one of the most important
[00:03:46] calls that Lula had in the campaign, Nadiara, yes, yes, in fact
[00:03:49] there are many artists, not only Caetano Veloso, but also others from the
[00:03:53] younger movement on social networks, Yuya, they
[00:03:56] support him and some decide to vote for Lula.
[00:04:00] They say that the difference in the first round would be enough for them not to go
[00:04:05] is happening regarding what now let me show you what has to do with the closing of to a second round in the first, but here you see that artists are very questioned if they commit to
[00:04:09] one or another political stance, in Brazil, as you
[00:04:11] good for Lula, who has also say, it's a bit more open, you can express yourself freely without then
[00:04:15] having any consequences, a
[00:04:18] for being a coup plotter, here we are seeing cancellation or also harassment that they receive, they are more
[00:04:21] seasoned, they do it too, but during the campaign in
[00:04:25] Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro is Bolsonaro territory,
[00:04:27] that's crystal clear. They are from Rio de Janeiro,
[00:04:31] Bolsonaro always wins, Bolsonaro always won in Rio de
[00:04:35] Janeiro, but beyond that, the event was held in Copacabana, Gilberto Gil,
[00:04:38] Maria, Caetano Veloso, many musicians and many
[00:04:42] important cultural and art components in Brazil were there,
[00:04:46] Carlos, what Nayara says about the conviction in the first round depends on something very
[00:04:49] important in Brazil, it depends on the number of blank votes
[00:04:53] and null votes, which they say can also be a large margin that
[00:04:57] prevents reaching a first round. of Lula's most important
[00:05:00] campaign promises has to do with the Argentine Malvinas, I think
[00:05:04] it was Friday when an Argentine gave him these T-shirts, the
[00:05:08] Malvinas are Argentine, this black T-shirt was in full campaign, yes, and Lula
[00:05:12] showed it, it has to do with
[00:05:15] obviously Lula's support for the issue of the Malvinas being
[00:05:19] Argentine, something that for example does not happen in Chile today where there was a
[00:05:22] congress of businessmen in the south of Chile to try to link Chile with
[00:05:26] the islands, well, this does not go unnoticed, eh, if Lula wins
[00:05:30] or if Bolsonaro wins, it reorganizes the Argentine political map a bit too,
[00:05:33] no, with whom each one will align, we can already assume with whom
[00:05:37] each Argentine politician is aligned, but well, it will also
[00:05:40] determine what structures. political and economic structures must
[00:05:53] the issue of Bolsonaro or Lula is also
[00:05:57] approaching,
[00:06:01] well, people are starting to mobilize here, look, a while ago
[00:06:05] there was no one, now the place is completely full,
[00:06:09] look in all sectors, we are going to try to talk
[00:06:12] to people a little so that they can tell us about
[00:06:16] this election day, there are also tables for older people, eh, they have
[00:06:20] wheelchairs, they have a lot of people already arranged
[00:06:22] to assist
[00:06:32] calm, it is proceeding normally, normally and
[00:06:35] without incident as expected with security, with security, with
[00:06:39] joy, joy comes for the
[00:06:42] right side or for the left side for the left side
[00:06:46] the left
[00:06:54] that's why it's to try to make Brazil grow
[00:06:57] in
[00:06:59] America, ma'am, you also
[00:07:03] see
[00:07:05] a sovereignty of Brazil for the sovereignty of
[00:07:15] or left today, left,
[00:07:18] always,
[00:07:21] always, well, it's two to one here,
[00:07:29] left, right, for
[00:07:32] sure, well, two, two to one, we're already
[00:07:35] adding up,
[00:07:43] right too,
[00:07:46] sumando los votos acá gente
[00:08:04] right or left,
[00:08:14] survey for Argentine television, uh, let's
[00:08:17] see, where are we pointing today, left or right, right,
[00:08:21] totally right, why right, because the right, because the
[00:08:25] left, for the family, for the children, against this
[00:08:29] anarchy, this robbery, this
[00:08:31] mess, this STF that only
[00:08:35] steals, that is creating a dictatorship that people are not realizing,
[00:08:38] totally right. and glad you arrived before
[00:08:43] us there with with you, you arrived
[00:08:46] before us, we are late.
[00:08:49] sorry, Kiki, uh, I didn't want to
[00:09:01] lady said, but beware with San Pablo, it's Bolsonaro,
[00:09:04] Rodrigo de Freitas, who is the governor of San Pablo, is a man who
[00:09:08] started his political career with Lula and then. He
[00:09:11] ended up being Bolsonaro's candidate and won, eh,
[00:09:17] the campaign there, I'm coming, which has to do with Bolsonaro's campaign,
[00:09:21] Flavio Bolsonaro, we are seeing one of his sons, he has three sons, this
[00:09:25] Yay Bolsonaro who is imprisoned, condemned to 27 years in prison
[00:09:31] what is the closing of Flavio Bolsonaro, Rio de Janeiro is
[00:09:34] or one of the points is in Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro
[00:09:38] is Bolsonaro, San Pablo is or has a lot of Bolsonaro
[00:09:41] despite the fact that Lula. is from San Pablo, he
[00:09:45] practically grew up in politics or in syndicalism,
[00:09:49] yes, it is very strong, and the south, the south has a very
[00:09:53] strong presence of Bolsonaro, now that the lady
[00:09:56] just said the STF which is the this the supreme court of
[00:09:59] justice is important because the supreme court of
[00:10:03] justice is the one who decides the election and the one who manages, eh,
[00:10:07] it would be Rosati's of
[00:10:09] Brazil, he is very friendly with Lula and what... they did during the
[00:10:13] campaign from one side and the other, criticize the people who were
[00:10:17] in this, in the supreme court of
[00:10:19] justice, he points out in his
[00:10:21] speech,
[00:10:25] everything that is happening right now in Brazil has a lot to do with Argentina,
[00:10:36] we were just talking about the overexposure to credit, the
[00:10:39] over-indebtedness, what position banks take on this
[00:10:43] issue and we also have when
[00:10:46] Lula spoke specifically about banking
[00:10:48] entities,
[00:10:52] people spend more easily with credit cards. Yes,
[00:10:56] and he will only see the damage at the end, yes, so we are discussing
[00:10:59] with the central bank, we are going to prohibit banks from giving more than one
[00:11:03] credit card to people. He said he would talk to the
[00:11:06] president of the central bank to raise a project to end
[00:11:10] credit cards, only one credit
[00:11:14] card per person, only one will
[00:11:16] be allowed, that's the project he wants, why? Because he says credit
[00:11:20] cards lead to indebtedness, it's
[00:11:23] absolute, no, here the Argentine government believes it's a problem between
[00:11:27] private individuals, that there is no problem of over-indebtedness,
[00:11:30] overexposure to credit, there Lula is
[00:11:33] using it as a campaign platform, the fact of saying if there is a problem of
[00:11:37] indebtedness, yes, we have to solve it with a
[00:12:25] at the last table where our team is waiting for
[00:12:28] them, eh, many Argentinians with their CPF who are already authorized to
[00:12:32] vote today, so we are waiting for them to see
[00:12:35] among the Argentinians who they are going to vote for, if they are going to vote for
[00:12:39] Lula or if they are finally going to vote for Bolsonaro, well, for any of the other 13
[00:12:43] candidates, eh, yes, they don't only elect president
[00:12:46] but today they are electing different levels,
[00:12:50] no, deputies, governors, eh, deputies.
[00:12:54] Yes,
[00:13:07] we just spoke with a couple of candidates
[00:13:09] for national deputy, for governor and
[00:13:13] so on, who well, they were trying to add
[00:13:16] microphones to talk, we obviously
[00:13:20] tried to talk more than anything with the people, with the delegates, those who are in
[00:13:23] charge of the schools, not with. candidates,
[00:13:26] but we talked with several who were telling us their
[00:13:29] opinion, from Bolsonaro's side, since early today
[00:13:33] they have been doing this campaign with people
[00:13:36] that there will be fraud, this comes from Bolsonaro's
[00:13:41] the caravans are saying that there would be fraud, eh,
[00:13:45] it has to do with the fact that they are already pointing out that Lula could win in the first
[00:13:49] round, we don't know, but what happened this morning at a school that
[00:13:53] we also talked with one of the...
[00:13:55] eh managers and also a Bolsonaro
[00:13:59] representative told us today everything is ready for fraud, they don't
[00:14:03] give you a card, they don't give you a ballot, they can change it in the
[00:14:06] machine, the truth is that this is what Bolsonaro's
[00:14:10] people were trying to promote
[00:14:27] is happening in Brazil, thank you for attending us at this time, Leticia, why
[00:14:31] is today's election so important for Brazil, what is Brazil playing
[00:14:34] for today, well, look, I am in Buenos
[00:14:37] Aires covering the patriotic
[00:14:41] voting in Argentina in Buenos Aires, well
[00:14:44] exactly, which is a gigantic
[00:14:47] community of almost 1200 people who will
[00:14:50] vote within a universe of 7000
[00:14:54] Brazilians. who live in Argentina, well, what
[00:15:09] have about the votes from Oceania
[00:15:12] and Asia, which has a time difference, they gave
[00:15:16] 60% victory to
[00:15:19] Flavio Bolsonaro, Flavio Bolsonaro winning
[00:15:23] abroad.
[00:15:26] Or Oceania and Asia, now the countries
[00:15:29] are missing, those from Europe
[00:15:33] and also from the United States, so we have an
[00:15:36] expectation. during the course of the day, what happens in the United States is also
[00:15:40] important, taking into account that there is a very important
[00:15:43] Brazilian community in the United States, one of the largest outside Brazil, yes,
[00:15:47] the abroad in some way marks a thermometer, but I also ask you,
[00:15:51] eh, at one point, in the
[00:15:54] Bolsonaro, Lula debate, women were decisive in the vote, here women
[00:15:58] again play a crucial role,
[00:16:01] uh, look,
[00:16:04] eh, it's true. eh the
[00:16:07] number of women who are
[00:16:11] eh eh eh part of Brazil, the
[00:16:13] Brazilian citizens, even if they are in other countries, are the
[00:16:17] majority, yes, 50%,
[00:16:21] eh, men 40-something plus or minus,
[00:16:24] so, so if, obviously,
[00:16:28] no, women dictating, in
[00:16:31] this case, if they are favorable, and many
[00:16:35] are more favorable to Lula than to... Bolsonaro,
[00:16:38] the poll said that the
[00:16:42] vote within the universe of men and
[00:16:45] women, women are the ones who most decide to
[00:16:58] was asking, what do women say? How do women play in this election
[00:17:01] there in San
[00:17:02] Pablo?
[00:17:06] Well, let's ask women, I'm going to ask them to turn up the
[00:17:09] feedback as much as possible because inside it's practically impossible to hear
[00:17:13] them, but we're going to talk to the women who are arriving
[00:17:17] here to see because let's remember it's the continuity of the Bolsonaro
[00:17:20] surname which is very
[00:17:32] left today?
[00:17:33] hoy?
[00:17:38] With the right, with the right, why this election?
[00:17:42] Because, because less vagabond, and I
[00:17:45] get nauseous with Lula because he said that if there
[00:17:49] was no food, we should eat rice, like
[00:17:53] how can I say, these things happened, and Bolsonaro, I never
[00:17:57] heard him say that. Thank you very much,
[00:18:00] eh, look, we just spoke with another young woman who was also on the
[00:18:03] side of eh of the left and then others who were
[00:18:13] television, we are from which side we are pointing, right or left
[00:18:17] today? Let's root
[00:18:20] for the right to win, but yes, the right
[00:18:24] too, yes, they will root for the right, but why this, because it is said that
[00:18:27] women always or would be supporting Lula, why this
[00:18:31] change, I think our country is
[00:18:34] very
[00:18:37] - bankrupt, right, everything is broken, everything
[00:18:40] is not as we expected, who would
[00:18:43] be broken and because Argentina is not, I don't know, so
[00:18:47] I think everything that is happening we are seeing the
[00:18:51] robberies, of everything that is happening.
[00:18:55] why did the value of things increase,
[00:18:58] ah, right, what we can't achieve anymore, what we
[00:19:02] seek is to see our country grow and see...
[00:19:06] crescer e ver...
[00:19:45] center-right, she is, she is not so extremist, she doesn't go
[00:19:49] to extremes so much, so she places herself sometimes
[00:19:52] more on the right side, the more liberal issue,
[00:19:55] right, economically liberal, economically liberal, I like
[00:19:58] a more talked-about politics, I don't like
[00:20:01] extremes, I think our country does have quite a few social problems that...
[00:20:05] no, give me a second because I wanted to ask Leti
[00:20:25] about this, Leti, how is Brazil's economy, what do Brazilians say about the
[00:20:29] day-to-day economy, is it enough for them, is it not enough, what do they say,
[00:20:32] yes, well, this is important because the wallet.
[00:20:36] el bolsillo.
[00:20:50] we currently have a purchasing power that is quite
[00:20:53] diminished, where one goes to the supermarket and cannot
[00:20:56] fill the basic basket, yes,
[00:20:59] from meat to the
[00:21:04] the basket, so this problem eh of the
[00:21:08] Brazilian's wallet, of a Brazilian woman,
[00:21:11] yes, matters a lot and is also
[00:21:14] influencing the rotations, another important point
[00:21:17] that we must mention is that of security. This is
[00:21:21] something that also plays a role in the decisions of
[00:21:24] voters, important, eh, well, now Leti, what
[00:21:27] the population is asking for is a tougher hand in
[00:21:31] Brazil, regarding the control of violence
[00:21:34] and crime, yes, yes, it's
[00:21:38] true, we have two types of violence that
[00:21:41] I eh, I can define like this so
[00:21:45] that everyone can understand, first what we have is
[00:21:48] daily violence. A woman who leaves at 5 in the morning to take a
[00:21:52] bus and work far from her home, she leaves the urban area,
[00:21:56] right, so eh she is
[00:21:59] assaulted, raped, all of that is difficult for
[00:22:02] her to eh eh do her
[00:22:06] job and and continue
[00:22:08] in safety, well that is the first type of violence,
[00:22:12] the second type of violence comes from criminal factions,
[00:22:15] PCC and Red Command, where
[00:22:19] they have like a
[00:22:21] court
[00:22:24] of of of a court, no, a parallel power
[00:22:27] where even to buy gas, obtain internet
[00:22:31] services, yes, it has to go through their hands,
[00:22:35] because they monopolize those services, this
[00:22:38] is a type of violence, the freedom to be able to
[00:22:42] choose how to buy, where to buy and the price one wants
[00:22:45] to pay, well, you can give just a little piece of information that Leticia provided.
[00:22:50] 1568 femicides occurred in 2025 in Brazil,
[00:22:53] which was 4.7% more than in
[00:22:56] 2024, that's why Leticia points it out as one of the problems, and
[00:23:00] also we have to consider that Brazil has almost 250 million
[00:23:03] inhabitants, Leticia, that problem you
[00:23:06] raised about the economy on the one hand and security on the other, who sets the agenda in
[00:23:10] this election, does security beat the economy or does the economy
[00:23:14] beat security? Well, I think they go hand
[00:23:18] in hand, they are two things. that complement each other and are
[00:23:21] interdependent, yes, if I understood the
[00:23:25] question, it's something that one has to have
[00:23:28] the security of being able to buy, yes, the things one
[00:23:32] needs to feed one's children, yes,
[00:23:35] also the security of
[00:23:37] walking with tranquility in one's
[00:23:41] city and entering one's place and feeling
[00:23:44] safe, well, Leticia, so far the international
[00:23:47] observers in Brazil I read that, they are seeing the elections
[00:23:51] proceed normally, that people are going to vote
[00:23:55] calmly, what I want to ask you, beforehand,
[00:23:58] the polls talk about a
[00:24:02] the opponent, what is perceived in the exit polls, I mean prior
[00:24:05] to these elections, well, it continues with a
[00:24:09] runoff scenario, a technical tie,
[00:24:13] yes, the most concrete thing we have is from people
[00:24:16] who do not live in Brazil. These are from these countries
[00:24:20] of Oceania and Asia that gave the
[00:24:24] victory to Bolsonaro and a rather
[00:24:27] large victory
[00:24:30] of 62% point something eh
[00:24:33] as opposed to Lula's value, well, there
[00:24:37] we are seeing Bolsonaro who already has 60-something votes in
[00:24:41] Asia, that Flavio Bolsonaro closed his campaign in Rio de Janeiro
[00:24:44] practically at home, furthermore, his father is detained
[00:24:48] in Rio de Janeiro and requested
[00:24:55] Leti was saying? Economy and security, economy and insecurity,
[00:24:59] Quique, yours.
[00:25:01] Well, it's changing,
[00:25:05] we told you that we traveled a lot, from
[00:25:08] Florianopolis, Torres, San Pablo, eh, we were
[00:25:12] there a few days ago personally in Rio de Janeiro,
[00:25:15] it depends on where you are. to have a majority, for
[00:25:19] example, in Rio de Janeiro, Lula, he is the best, whoever
[00:25:22] you ask, out of 10 people, nine will
[00:25:26] tell you that they will vote
[00:25:29] precisely for Lula, it's not the same in
[00:25:33] Porto Alegre, because Porto Alegre, the Florianopolis area and so on
[00:25:37] that has more business and gastronomy
[00:25:41] and hotel staff and so on,
[00:25:44] all are in favor of Bolsonaro, that's why I tell you, the polls vary
[00:25:48] according to the place where they are conducted.
[00:25:50] if we do them in this area, surely I will tell you that it is 50-50%,
[00:26:07] the right side prevails, the right
[00:26:10] right because we want a better country, we have a
[00:26:14] very indebted country, a country with many problems.
[00:26:17] financial interest rates are very high and we want Brazil
[00:26:20] to change, we want to change, they had a lot of time to
[00:26:24] change, they didn't change, today we want Brazil to change, that's because that's what
[00:26:27] would change, for example, with Bolsonaro, with Bolsonaro it would change because
[00:26:31] we know that he has another life project, a government project,
[00:26:34] his government is to lower interest rates, to bring more
[00:26:38] jobs to companies that remain in Brazil, which are not
[00:26:42] remaining, companies are going to other countries, including Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia,
[00:26:45] Argentina, and here businesses are having a lot of
[00:26:49] difficulty, I am a businessman,
[00:26:52] I feel a lot of
[00:26:55] difficulty, in the frozen food sector,
[00:26:58] uh-huh, it's not going well, it's not going well, a lot of difficulty.
[00:27:03] very high interest rates, a lot of difficulty indeed, we want a
[00:27:12] sorry, sorry for the interruption, what the gentleman was saying
[00:27:15] is the same thing that happens in some parts of Argentina with respect to credit
[00:27:19] cards, there are very high interest rates, it's impossible to pay a credit,
[00:27:22] this is what the gentleman says, we are in San Pablo in this place here that you were saying
[00:27:26] just now 50 and 50, 50 Bolsonaro, 50 this
[00:27:30] stable economy, within everything it's an economy that within
[00:27:33] everything is stable, but what they are saying is that there are many
[00:27:37] interests and that normality must return, and what the gentleman said is,
[00:27:40] Bolsonaro is the only one who can go back at
[00:27:44] this point and return, in inverted commas, to normality in Brazil, according to what
[00:27:47] he said, let's see, a Bolsonaro who is more inclined to Milei
[00:27:51] to let the market accommodate things, no, although Milei is a quite
[00:27:55] particular extreme that does not resemble other right-wing
[00:27:58] leaders, the truth is that Lula is the one who is
[00:28:01] giving concrete data, concrete titles regarding
[00:28:04] over-indebtedness, so far in the campaign Lula has been more concrete than
[00:28:08] Bolsonaro regarding that issue, but anyway, what society asks for that
[00:28:12] votes for Bolsonaro, that part of society that votes for Bolsonaro is to say, well, enough, just now that girl
[00:28:15] said, enough of telling me that I can only eat rice, beans
[00:28:19] and eggs, that's what the girl said, Bolsonaro doesn't tell you that, and the
[00:28:22] lady who said that she talked about the center is surely the third way,
[00:28:26] Fran, no, what she also says is the debt on credit cards in an
[00:28:30] interview. Lula said very clearly,
[00:28:33] we have to put an end to the arithmetic of bankers, the more
[00:28:37] you pay, the more you owe, it's a madness, well, we continue live,
[00:28:40] let me ask Quique, you were just talking
[00:28:44] about this, what do they say about this issue of the economy,
[00:28:47] is there food, I don't know, since you were
[00:29:04] in most of the places where we
[00:29:08] were, where we were talking to people inside the markets,
[00:29:11] we even talked to cashiers and so on, they were in favor of
[00:29:15] Lula, why? Well, because of the economic support they continuously
[00:29:18] have, uh, this whole area here, I'll tell you that it also
[00:29:22] grew in part due to what Lula has done with respect to these
[00:29:25] foreign companies that come, it happened with a motorcycle company
[00:29:29] that in Argentina enters as if nothing, without any problem
[00:29:33] with import, these electric motorcycles, for example, when
[00:29:36] they came, the same as vehicles, Lula told them,
[00:29:39] look, you can come to Brazil, but the labor, the assembly,
[00:29:42] you have to do it in Brazil and you have to do everything in Brazil,
[00:29:46] so they set up these industries in Brazil,
[00:29:49] the electric motorcycles come out great because you're going to see them, you're going to see them everywhere,
[00:29:52] electric motorcycles and bicycles everywhere, now what happens,
[00:29:56] the... they end up manufacturing in Brazil, they don't only come
[00:30:00] from China or Europe and so on and that they bring imports like in the Argentine Republic,
[00:30:03] this generated labor, generated employment,
[00:30:07] generated work for the mechanics of the area, the bicycle repairmen
[00:30:10] of the area, so this was
[00:30:14] campaigned with this type of thing, this increased
[00:30:17] in this area specifically the number of votes for Lula,
[00:30:21] yes, now here we have Leticia,
[00:30:23] who has crucial information about what
[00:30:27] is happening in Brazil at this moment, uh, and Leticia,
[00:30:30] I wanted to ask you if you think that society is tired of this
[00:30:34] polarization that happens quite often between
[00:30:38] Bolsonaro and Lula or that this divide is
[00:30:41] already so marked that it is impossible to get out of this
[00:30:44] dichotomy, that there is no third way, you know,
[00:30:47] for these elections, it's this, let's see, we are listening to you,
[00:30:50] yes, in these elections,
[00:30:58] right?
[00:31:02] no?