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[00:00:00] in Buenos Aires, yes, the impact of a
[00:00:04] candidate's time or another in terms of regional
[00:00:08] election is going, no, we talked politics is more important, not so much for the bilateral relationship with
[00:00:11] Argentina, now Trump has joined this equation and
[00:00:16] happen with the previous votes, I will also add that I would be interested, we talked a lot in the campaign about China, right?
[00:00:19] How do they remain? Because these are obviously
[00:00:22] this practically has to do with the two powers that matter to us Argentines as well, to know how we move in the international
[00:00:26] change it, but what happened to the data from arena. Well, Lula, his
[00:00:30] president, has made the utmost effort
[00:00:33] to have the best possible relationship with the United
[00:00:37] States and with China, striving at all times
[00:00:41] not to take sides in that hegemonic
[00:00:44] dispute. President
[00:00:46] Lula that was practically on one side of eh has not found an echo
[00:00:49] in particular in the United States because the United States
[00:00:53] has taken a completely partisan
[00:00:56] definition regarding Brazil and therefore
[00:01:00] has transformed all Brazilians through the imposition of
[00:01:04] trade tariffs into victims of
[00:01:08] a dispute that in reality aims to strengthen
[00:01:11] Bolsonarism in Brazilian
[00:01:15] politics, and fundamentally Lula
[00:01:19] has acted as an important counterweight to the
[00:01:22] Gondro doctrine, this idea that
[00:01:25] Donald Trump has, which fits
[00:01:28] well, precisely, that the sovereign of the Western
[00:01:32] Hemisphere is the United States and that all the rest of us have limited
[00:01:36] sovereignty. Lula, on the contrary, has always tried to reassert
[00:01:39] Brazilian sovereignty. You just mentioned Trump, and I wanted
[00:01:43] to ask you what international interpretation you make when Trump
[00:01:46] textually says, I will follow the vote very
[00:01:49] closely. Well, there's not much to
[00:01:53] read in the words, but one has to follow
[00:01:57] Trump's actions. At the request
[00:02:00] of Eduardo Bolsonaro, the
[00:02:04] son of Jair Bolsonaro who is a fugitive from Brazilian justice,
[00:02:08] sheltered in the United States, Trump imposed
[00:02:11] so this machine tariffs on Brazil, openly stating
[00:02:14] that he imposed tariffs on all Brazilian exporters
[00:02:17] because the Brazilian judiciary had imprisoned Jair
[00:02:21] Bolsonaro. This is the brutal level of
[00:02:24] interference that
[00:02:27] Trump has
[00:02:29] to ask Roberto about what we in Brazilian politics from the beginning of his term, and of
[00:02:33] course, in the context of the electoral
[00:02:36] and when they restart campaign, his interference has been even greater. Now, Gabriel, at an international
[00:02:40] level, speaking of everything that has to do with, for example, Trump, who
[00:02:44] has more weight at an international level today, Lula or
[00:02:47] Milei? No, well, that's a question
[00:02:51] that answers itself by looking at the size of the two countries
[00:02:55] we are comparing. Brazil is an economy that
[00:02:58] oscillates between being the eighth and tenth
[00:03:01] economy in the world. The Argentine economy is the
[00:03:04] 22nd economy in the world. It is a
[00:03:07] country of 47 million versus a country of more than
[00:03:10] 200 million inhabitants. Any president of
[00:03:14] Brazil is, by definition, a more
[00:03:17] gravitating leader in international politics
[00:03:21] than an Argentine president, and an Argentine
[00:03:25] president who has also chosen
[00:03:26] official statistics so far international isolation
[00:03:33] the people have voted. mainly, by rejecting, for example, the invitation to join the BRICS, is a president who, in
[00:03:35] addition to
[00:03:37] totally different from what presiding over a country smaller than Brazil, voluntarily decides
[00:03:41] to project less
[00:03:44] notify, the federal police agent international power. Brazil, in that sense, well, as
[00:03:48] we said, is enormously larger, but Lula is
[00:03:52] also a gravitating figure who has been
[00:03:55] a determining figure in Brazilian politics for almost
[00:03:59] 40 years. He has been among international leaders, Gab.
[00:04:02] Now, what can be highlighted from this last Lula administration, which was never
[00:04:06] ultra, as we could perhaps describe Milei, is that he has had
[00:04:10] the astuteness to, I don't know if the word is to veer, but I mean to move
[00:04:13] more towards the center, even in the construction of his allies, or
[00:04:17] not in this new
[00:04:22] wrong to get so involved in look, precisely the national registry mandate? Well, we must bear in mind that in Brazil the
[00:04:25] congress has a lot of power, that in
[00:04:29] Brazil there is less concentration of power in the
[00:04:32] presidency than in
[00:04:35] first with the police and so on, to prevent Argentina, and that Lula in all his mandates
[00:04:37] both hug, we will all was in the minority in congress, and that
[00:04:40] finally the political tone that his
[00:04:44] the candidates for governor, for administration has taken has been conditioned by the political
[00:04:48] specifically asked for it to be removed from color of Congress. Of Lula's three presidencies,
[00:04:51] this is the presidency in which he has had to deal with a more
[00:04:54] conservative congress. This has been reflected,
[00:04:57] of course, in the type of coalition he has
[00:05:00] had to form to set up his
[00:05:03] cabinet, and Lula's cabinet is a cabinet
[00:05:07] where, of course, the president's party, the Workers' Party, has an important
[00:05:11] presence, but where there are also centrist and center-right
[00:05:25] there we are with Kicky Ortiz, Bolsonaro or
[00:05:28] Lula, one of the two, Kique, all
[00:05:30] yours.
[00:05:34] Well, yesterday, guys, we were in one of the caravans, I told you, we
[00:05:38] joined one after another, we were first in a caravan
[00:05:42] that was Bolsonaro's, which at some point, leaving,
[00:05:45] we were in Florianópolis at that moment, leaving precisely
[00:05:49] the place, we found ourselves with a caravan of more or less
[00:05:52] 5 km. At one point, this caravan joined
[00:05:55] another from
[00:05:59] the avenue, Lula's, on the other side of the avenue, Bolsonaro's, who
[00:06:02] stayed until after midnight, but the truth is there was no
[00:06:06] kind of inconvenience, everything was
[00:06:09] fine, good treatment, really the candidates.
[00:06:12] Despite having drums for one, for the other, absolutely
[00:06:16] nothing happened, you have the images, this is what happened
[00:06:20] precisely yesterday in this Bolsonaro caravan,
[00:06:23] a lot of people on both sides, we noticed
[00:06:27] there in the area, in this area where we were, that there were a few more cars,
[00:06:31] a little more vehicles than what had to do
[00:06:34] with Jair's caravan, sorry, Bolsonaro's,
[00:06:38] but obviously it has to do
[00:06:41] with the entrepreneurs who, of course, have their vehicles,
[00:06:45] they put vehicles at their disposal to take all kinds of people to this
[00:06:49] caravan, not so much Lula's people who were
[00:06:52] with vans, who were with some trucks and carried more
[00:06:55] people in general, but you have the images there, I don't know if you can
[00:06:59] show them, it's to see precisely this contrast between the two
[00:07:03] caravans, between Lula's and Jair
[00:07:06] Bolsonaro's. Yes, we are seeing what Lula's closing
[00:07:09] campaign was like, and well, what you also
[00:07:13] said, the difference, 5 km of cars, we were
[00:07:17] also seeing another of the photos that have to do with the closing campaigns and five blocks of
[00:07:21] all the people walking, or walking rather, what had to do
[00:07:24] with Lula's closing, both also have to do with San Pablo, very
[00:07:28] close, Lula is very strong in San
[00:07:31] Pablo, and Bolsonaro is very strong in Rio de Janeiro,
[00:07:34] I mean, strong in the sense of the campaigns, Bolsonaro from Rio de
[00:07:38] Janeiro and Lula from San Pablo. I wanted
[00:07:42] are talking about regarding the economy, why Brazil does not attach importance to the
[00:07:46] dollar and Argentina does. Essentially, due to a
[00:07:49] cultural issue, because they have also had hyperinflation, they have had
[00:07:53] devaluations, they have had a lot of problems just like us,
[00:07:56] but they don't have the custom of going to the dollar. Let's remember that in Argentina, this
[00:08:00] custom began during the military dictatorship, for example, in terms of
[00:08:03] properties, where all the entire value chain
[00:08:07] of construction in a home is in pesos, the final value is in dollars. In
[00:08:11] July 1978, the first classified ad for a property appeared
[00:08:15] in dollars. From then on, a cultural advance began where we
[00:08:19] translate everything into dollars, despite our currency, just
[00:08:22] as our currency lost its value as a store of value, the same has happened
[00:08:26] to the real. However, since the 90s, they have had inflation, they have had
[00:08:29] different episodes. Today, they have a much more stable
[00:08:33] macroeconomy than us. For example, the country risk
[00:08:36] is 174 basis points. We are at
[00:08:40] 646. For example, their annual inflation
[00:08:43] is 4.33%. We have an inflation
[00:08:47] of 30%. So many issues related to
[00:08:51] macroeconomics that we have not been able to
[00:08:54] reorganize. Now, if I tell you, because we were doing the
[00:08:57] international recount, Bolsonaro won in Hong
[00:09:00] Kong, no, Lula in China, Bolsonaro
[00:09:04] in Japan, Lula, Australia, New Zealand,
[00:09:07] South Korea and China, Lula won
[00:09:10] there, Lula, good, Fran. What does this say? But it says something, it tells you something, can
[00:09:14] we say something, yes, it's important, as Leticia just said,
[00:09:18] the Brazilian vote is very important, I don't remember exactly how many
[00:09:21] Brazilians there are in the world, but only in
[00:09:24] Argentina, yes, but only in Argentina I think there are around
[00:09:27] 25, Brazilians, no,
[00:09:31] of people officially from 2025 says that there are
[00:09:35] 69,538 Brazilians officially
[00:09:39] registered in the Argentine Republic, which does not mean that all of them will
[00:09:42] vote. I mean, I think there are around 25,000 eligible voters, I think,
[00:09:46] the last one pays the 3 million, as it was 3 million fine, it
[00:09:49] justifies 1 million equivalent, 1 million Argentine pesos
[00:09:53] that if it doesn't go to the second round either, if there is a second round, it would be 2 million
[00:09:56] Argentine pesos, and what I wanted to point out to the journalist who spoke about the
[00:10:00] currency, Carlos, what you asked him, the idiosyncrasy of the peoples
[00:10:03] is different, they understand that the real
[00:10:06] creates the cultural, historical identity, the
[00:10:10] national identity of Brazil, but it does not change. with respect to, beyond what
[00:10:14] Bolsonaro, Lula, right, left may be, it does not change
[00:10:17] their view on this, it does not change their own
[00:10:20] view, they have an unemployment rate that does not reach 5%,
[00:10:24] yes, but let's see, since we are covering this
[00:10:27] issue today, I am trying to make some demographic analysis of how this
[00:10:33] about the geographical issues of the different zones, poorer, less poor,
[00:10:36] we talked about the favela, you told me it's divided, we talked
[00:10:40] about women and we saw that Quique interviewed
[00:10:43] women there in San Pablo, we also saw that it was
[00:10:46] divided, he couldn't draw a dividing line between
[00:10:49] young people either, because it must also be
[00:10:53] divided in terms of the age range of under 30. Except in some places,
[00:10:57] Buenos Aires for example or Argentina, there is a majority
[00:11:01] of young people who, from what you interviewed, are mostly
[00:11:04] related to Lula or sympathize with Lula. We continue
[00:11:07] with voices, Quique, we are going to San Pablo, we are live and direct in a more
[00:11:11] important voting place in San Pablo, that's in Buenos
[00:11:15] Aires and that's how it is, Carlitos, and
[00:11:18] most of the songs that people were singing just now were for
[00:11:22] Lula and the margin between one and the other
[00:11:26] of the candidates for president was wide. How are you doing, guys, all good,
[00:11:29] all good, well, an important day for Brazil,
[00:11:32] yes, important, well, super polarized,
[00:11:35] divided, I mean Lula or Bolsonaro,
[00:11:39] Lula, why Lula, how old are you, I'm
[00:11:41] 24, 24, yes, I think that
[00:11:45] identification of the kids with Lula, what idea
[00:11:49] of Lula do you like the most, yes, the ideals are more
[00:11:52] similar to mine from where.
[00:11:55] eh, so that's why, I chose for
[00:11:58] that, for that, yes, thank you, eh, ah, the vote is
[00:12:02] electronic the electronic, it's electronic,
[00:12:05] no, because I think it's delaying a little bit, I didn't know if it was with a ballot if it was
[00:12:08] electronic, yes, I think it's electronic, electronic, yes,
[00:12:12] thank you, yes, yes, well, come on, let's talk here with
[00:12:15] the people, yes, good morning, good morning, what an
[00:12:19] important day today, very important, very important, beyond what is speculated
[00:12:23] or by.
[00:13:05] from one country to another country, to the United States, as if the message would be or at least what one thinks, I mean, he who doesn't
[00:13:09] vote for Bolsonaro is not Brazil, no, Lula is Brazil, Bolsonaro
[00:13:13] is not Bolsonaro, he is the United States. Well, many, the majority
[00:13:17] of the people here, I mean, beyond the five lines, it's all divided,
[00:13:21] I mean, most people are for Lula. Yes, I think so.
[00:13:25] They are more left-wing, not right-wing. I hope
[00:13:28] so, for Lula to win, thank you very much,
[00:13:31] for that, this is Buenos Aires, you are in Buenos
[00:13:35] Aires, look, Quique is in an important polling place
[00:13:39] there in San Pablo. Quique, why, what do you see regarding this, the
[00:13:43] deep division between Lula and Bolsonaro,
[00:13:45] Quique?
[00:13:50] Well, speaking with people, I will tell you that
[00:13:55] Bolsonaro's supporters will tell you that there is a lack of jobs, that the economy
[00:13:59] is completely collapsing,
[00:14:02] Lula's supporters say, who will tell you that everything
[00:14:06] is fine and so on. What we noticed is that there is a significant
[00:14:09] difference in the Argentine economy. Here, people generally
[00:14:13] find work faster, they have other
[00:14:16] expectations of work and can
[00:14:19] choose the job they want, not that they are obliged to go
[00:14:23] to one or the other. Also, the issue of constructions that we
[00:14:27] see practically everywhere, imposing constructions, which
[00:14:30] also bring people from other places, for example from the Argentine Republic,
[00:14:34] to work in Brazil, meaning that there is also a lack of labor. This means
[00:14:38] that obviously
[00:14:41] it wouldn't be as bad as they are saying. I wanted to tell you something that happened a
[00:14:45] while ago because a while ago they asked us to turn off the cameras and
[00:14:49] cell phones because they took a ballot
[00:14:52] box from this place because it was having problems with its operation.
[00:14:56] They carried out a whole operation,
[00:15:00] us from taking these parts with the cameras, so that no one was filming, and
[00:15:03] they took one or two of the ballot boxes from this place that were malfunctioning,
[00:15:07] apparently it had crashed, it had no
[00:15:11] kind of control, so they decided
[00:15:14] to take it away. What Bolsonaro's people were telling us just now
[00:15:17] is what will happen with these ballot boxes, the people who voted
[00:15:21] up to now in those ballot boxes that they removed from here because
[00:15:25] they replaced them, but what will happen with the data from the previous ballot box?
[00:15:29] This is a problem that has been occurring throughout the day, since
[00:15:32] the beginning of the morning we have also seen that these machines
[00:15:36] have presented problems. Let's see if it will continue
[00:15:40] to happen, if at any moment they will also have to remove another one. In
[00:15:43] other schools, they have just told us that the same thing happened,
[00:15:47] that they had to remove ballot boxes or change them due to
[00:15:50] malfunctions, so this will surely generate debate
[00:15:53] after the elections regarding fraud. Bolsonaro's
[00:15:57] people are already saying that
[00:16:00] fraud. Let's hope that this does not escalate further, that it is really
[00:16:03] only these few ballot boxes, but we will keep you informed of what is
[00:16:07] happening minute by minute. Well, be careful with this because it has to do with the possibility
[00:16:11] that even Emma said it a while ago, be careful because
[00:16:15] Bolsonaro's camp is already working on a fraud complaint and what you
[00:16:18] were saying here has to do with this, they took two machines from that
[00:16:22] voting place, from that voting center, they took them
[00:16:25] and moved them, be careful with this point, give us just a second, Quique, we'll be
[00:16:29] back with you, San Pablo live and direct, Lula or Bolsonaro,
[00:17:45] Brazil elects president.
[00:17:49] All divided between Lula
[00:17:52] and Bolsonaro.
[00:17:53] Bolsonaro's camp
[00:17:56] is considering reporting fraud.
[00:17:59] We are live and direct,
[00:18:03] here we go. Nothing more. The candidate
[00:18:08] has
[00:18:08] to
[00:18:16] do with the fraud complaint. Bolsonaro's supporters are considering
[00:18:19] reporting fraud in part or in some regions
[00:18:23] regarding the vote. Quique just said in San
[00:18:26] Pablo that they took two machines from the place where you are voting.
[00:18:30] This has to do with the possibility of Flavio Bolsonaro reporting
[00:18:34] fraud. Be careful, because Lula wins in more
[00:18:37] countries abroad than in Brazil. However, the votes
[00:18:41] are more for Bolsonaro than for Lula at this
[00:18:44] moment. Lula wins in more countries, but Bolsonaro
[00:18:48] has more votes. This has to do with what happens abroad
[00:18:51] of Brazil. Quique, we continue with you in San Pablo,
[00:18:55] the future of Brazilians is decided,
[00:18:56] yours.
[00:19:01] Well, I just gave you the
[00:19:04] from the tables. So far,
[00:19:07] only 43% of
[00:19:10] We have just confirmed from the interior,
[00:19:14] 43% at this time of the afternoon
[00:19:16] only came to vote in each of the schools, in
[00:19:19] each of these places of worship, evangelical centers
[00:19:23] here in the area. Really very low at this
[00:19:26] hour, no, that's why I was telling you that there will
[00:19:30] obviously be a lot of blank votes, yes, tell me, is this a
[00:19:34] ghost of what we are telling? Of fraud,
[00:19:36] because we see that there are obviously crossed discourses, especially
[00:19:40] Bolsonaro, who was already
[00:19:43] threatening that he would make complaints of
[00:19:47] potential fraud. It's a bit the policy that is
[00:19:50] managed, no, the public policy that they manage, or in reality,
[00:19:54] people believe that there could
[00:19:55] be
[00:20:00] fraud, no, people in general, those we talked to, except for
[00:20:04] extreme Bolsonarists, I'm going to tell you that we talked today.
[00:20:07] and the rest think it's fine, no, no problem, you saw that people
[00:20:11] came, voted, talked without inconvenience, no problem,
[00:20:15] those who are talking about fraud, since we
[00:20:18] arrived, each of
[00:20:21] national deputy and so on who spoke with us today morning
[00:20:25] early, before the start, even the elections told us,
[00:20:28] there will be fraud, it is prepared for fraud, they will
[00:20:32] commit fraud, we will go out into the streets,
[00:20:36] they are preparing caravans to go out tonight, to fight precisely on the issue,
[00:20:39] to ask about fraud here in Brazil, that's why
[00:20:43] I'm telling you, we have to be attentive to what will happen in several localities
[00:20:46] in Brazil today, let's see that there are no inconveniences here for example.
[00:20:50] They took two ballot boxes, this is what confirms us, what happened to the ballot boxes?
[00:20:54] They crashed, they couldn't enter the system, something
[00:20:57] happened to them, evidently, so they had to
[00:21:01] replace them, in this replacement it is not known what will
[00:21:06] those who voted in that same prepared ballot box because they have
[00:21:09] a satellite ballot box, if something happens to the previous
[00:21:13] one they can
[00:21:16] the previous one, this is what the people who are complaining
[00:21:20] about fraud in each of
[00:21:23] the places want to know, the same thing happened in schools, yes, it
[00:21:27] surprises me that the voting is quite evenly matched to talk
[00:21:30] about fraud prematurely, no, because this is for
[00:21:33] when is this used, when they have to go out and disown a possible
[00:21:37] defeat, we are not reporting such a marked defeat of one
[00:21:40] sector over another for them to already speak
[00:21:44] of fraud in this way, no, that's why I was telling you, even what happens
[00:21:48] abroad, the issue is that Lula wins the vote in more
[00:21:51] countries, but Flavio Bolsonaro has more votes,
[00:21:55] clearly, he wins in fewer countries, but with more votes, but well, we have to see what happens,
[00:21:59] it's very divided, yes, precisely what he also says is that history seems to repeat itself, if in October
[00:22:02] 2022 we read the newspapers of those elections, Bolsonaro also
[00:22:06] claimed fraud and the nullity of when there were electronic
[00:22:09] ballot boxes that said there could be some annulment and they didn't agree,
[00:22:13] and with the technical tie, the same thing happens, there was a technical tie of almost
[00:22:17] 2 million votes difference between Lula and Bolsonaro,
[00:22:20] Lula ended up winning, it seems that the same thing from 2022
[00:22:24] is repeated in the present, around 160 million Brazilians
[00:22:28] in Brazil are eligible to vote, 160 million, imagine how it is to
[00:22:31] count the vote, how the election will be, how the end of this
[00:22:35] election will be and what will happen with the vote by vote, Brazil
[00:22:39] is very divided, I just read that Flavio Bolsonaro said that he considers
[00:22:42] himself the winner in the first round,
[00:22:44] yes Quique,
[00:22:48] Yes, well, they are telling me how the system works, no, precisely here we were
[00:22:52] talking about the ballot boxes that crashed and these ballot boxes were taken away,
[00:22:55] supposedly when people vote, everything goes to the cloud,
[00:22:58] it's already in the system
[00:23:01] restarts on another new machine, but the
[00:23:05] data is kept directly in the same place,
[00:23:08] meaning that the previous data was not erased, this is what they are confirming
[00:23:12] here, precisely the responsible people for this
[00:23:15] system and who have to do with the ballot boxes here in Brazil, this is what they are
[00:23:19] confirming to our team, so it would remain immediately that people voted, it's already
[00:23:23] uploaded to the cloud,
[00:23:26] each of the ballot boxes, it already has the corresponding
[00:23:30] data, this is what they were telling us
[00:23:32] precisely here, the people in charge of the system
[00:23:36] and who supervise, because there are international observers,
[00:23:39] I also read, there is part of the current
[00:23:43] government of Lula, who are the
[00:23:47] supervisors? Well, here we spoke
[00:23:52] today with an official from the presidency who was at the
[00:23:55] presidential palace. auditing, precisely today early we spoke with
[00:23:58] him on Crónica, they have a team that audits each
[00:24:02] one of the machines and they have a team of professionals that is auditing the
[00:24:05] machines, I want to show you more or less how it is divided, let's see so that you
[00:24:09] understand, there is the table president, there are the secretaries and so on.
[00:24:13] inside, every now and then someone will enter who is checking and
[00:24:16] controlling the system that has to do with one
[00:24:20] from each party that is controlling to see that it is
[00:24:24] functioning correctly, let's say each
[00:24:27] one of the machines, what happens when one of these machines, uh, stops working as
[00:24:30] today, they immediately
[00:24:34] from Brazil comes here, takes charge and
[00:24:37] moves these machines and brings the new one, the
[00:24:41] complementary one, they upload the system, it's like a cell phone when you change
[00:24:44] cell phones from one to another, your same number remains and the data is recorded,
[00:24:48] that is, practically the same thing happens with these machines, which is what they were explaining to us today,
[00:24:52] that is, the machines that were taken away that were not
[00:24:54] working, everything is already in the cloud, uploaded immediately after
[00:24:58] people voted, that is, the data is safeguarded, this is what
[00:25:02] they tell us, every now and then a person will
[00:25:06] come in to audit and ensure that everything is
[00:25:09] functioning correctly at each of the tables and in each
[00:25:13] of the places, around 150 people pass through and
[00:25:17] enter to audit the proper functioning of the machines.
[00:25:26] There's a video circulating, I shared it, a video of some military personnel talking about
[00:25:30] fraud in some ballot boxes, which is an old video from other elections, so the
[00:25:34] electoral ministry
[00:25:38] the pages of these well-known social networks, because it causes
[00:25:42] confusion, it doesn't just create a veil of doubt over
[00:25:46] an election that so far is being conducted as it should be.
[00:25:50] that the army, the military are the ones who guard the election
[00:25:54] and the military are related or a large part of
[00:25:58] a large part of the military sector is related to
[00:26:01] Bolsonarism. It must be remembered that Jair Bolsonaro comes from the
[00:26:05] armed forces, his vice-president, was also a
[00:26:09] member of the armed forces and practically his cabinet, Jair Bolsonaro's,
[00:26:12] was made up of many military personnel, it seems that
[00:26:15] the campaign continues, even on election day, no, these military personnel were
[00:26:19] talking about putting into doubt the electronic sealing, which is when the votes instead
[00:26:23] of being at zero appear as already a previous count,
[00:26:26] so well, it is a it is a in the military schools
[00:26:30] Flavio Bolsonaro has almost 90%.
[00:26:33] of the votes, Maduro says, Maduro says from a US prison that Lula will have to show
[00:26:37] the minutes, can you imagine if the election ends
[00:26:48] a lot of controversy was generated on our whatsapp line
[00:26:51] about the passage we were making from reais to pesos
[00:26:54] of the minimum wage in Brazil,
[00:26:58] they told us the average salary is 1,600 reais, that is,
[00:27:01] uh, $300,
[00:27:04] 45,000 Argentine pesos, 50,000 Argentine pesos, claro, they clarified
[00:27:08] here, uh, that they are right, the thing is that we were also talking when Roberto said
[00:27:12] this is the minimum wage, of course that's not the average salary, but the
[00:27:15] minimum salary, that's the mistake, sure, you probably confused it, the average is
[00:27:19] $700, claro, that's the point, what is the
[00:27:22] average and what is the minimum, what we are talking about is the average, that's
[00:27:26] why we were talking about around $500, average salary, but I ask you, you
[00:27:30] who know Brazil very well
[00:27:32] and have family there and so on, with 450,000 Argentine pesos
[00:27:36] you don't live, you don't live and you don't buy anything, that is, with one and a
[00:27:40] half million a worker can live with one and a
[00:27:44] half million a worker survives, he doesn't live either, actually to
[00:27:47] live comfortably or to live well in Brazil you need
[00:27:50] around $1500
[00:27:53] reais to live more or less
[00:27:56] plus the rent, an average rent in São Paulo
[00:27:59] for example. around
[00:28:03] one thousand reais, that is a lot, you need 5, 1,
[00:28:07] are 500 reais, this is what you need
[00:28:10] approximately for, we are talking about one and a half million pesos, and the indebtedness occurs
[00:28:14] due to lack of purchasing power, it also occurs due to these
[00:28:17] bets, which was also one of the campaign
[00:28:21] announcements of the president, the two, the two points that made
[00:28:25] Lula grow in recent days regarding the election because
[00:28:29] Bolsonaro had taken a little advantage, the two decisions have to be, yes. Let's see,
[00:28:32] with eliminating online gambling, he eliminated it, he prohibited it, online gambling is prohibited
[00:28:36] in a way that it's done, that's it, he already
[00:28:40] signed it, from Monday, from tomorrow, yes, from tomorrow
[00:28:44] you can no longer bet online in
[00:28:47] Brazil, from tomorrow no more betting, this was one of the moves or
[00:29:00] is Brazil playing for today, Diego, thank you for being there, very generous of you as
[00:29:03] always. Yes, well, look, there's obviously a
[00:29:07] great political, ideological debate between
[00:29:10] the right and the left,
[00:29:13] Bolsonaro and Lula,
[00:29:17] a left that agreed with the center-right and
[00:29:20] formed a front, which is what Lula has, and a harder
[00:29:24] right, more like Trump, more like
[00:29:27] Milei, which is represented by
[00:29:30] Bolsonaro, now in Brazil.
[00:29:33] There is stability, there have already been changes from right to left and from left
[00:29:36] to right, we have already gone from Lula to
[00:29:40] Bolsonaro, from Bolsonaro to Lula, and therefore
[00:29:43] there is a permanent Brazil that
[00:29:46] does not change dramatically, there is no rift like in Argentina, it's not
[00:29:50] that Brazil will change completely, the day after the
[00:29:53] election everything remains pretty much the same, the
[00:29:56] country risk remains low, investments keep
[00:29:59] coming, the Real remains stable. The
[00:30:03] very abundant reserves continue
[00:30:05] to exist,
[00:30:07] foreign investments
[00:30:10] are pouring in, so it's less than what
[00:30:14] we sometimes dramatize.
[00:30:17] Well, now, excuse me, Diego,
[00:30:20] you said that Milei was
[00:30:24] the campaign, how will he recover if Lula
[00:30:28] becomes the winner?
[00:30:32] everything is made up, uh, if tomorrow we see
[00:30:36] Lula re-elected and they
[00:30:39] celebrate, that's the good thing about politics, about
[00:30:42] diplomacy, it's not that there are paths that cannot
[00:30:45] be traversed, traversed backwards and from
[00:30:49] there forwards, let's remember that Milei had said that the
[00:30:52] Pope was the representative of evil for example, or that
[00:30:56] he would never speak with China or with Brazil and