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[00:00:12] You broke the
[00:00:30] Look, in politics everything rebuilds itself, if
[00:00:34] tomorrow we see Lula
[00:00:36] reelected and they embrace each other, we will all celebrate, that's
[00:00:40] the good thing about politics, about diplomacy, it's not that
[00:00:43] there are paths that cannot be
[00:00:47] taken, taken back and from there forward, let's remember
[00:00:50] that Miley had said that the Pope was the representative of the
[00:00:54] evil one for example or that he would never speak
[00:00:57] with China or with Brazil.
[00:01:05] He had recognized in a speech last
[00:01:08] year the self-determination of the islanders
[00:01:11] and
[00:01:14] yes, the triumph of he reviewed it and welcomed it. I believe that nothing is
[00:01:16] irreversible
[00:01:18] and we must be careful with egos and having
[00:01:22] dogmatic positions where politics is the art of how to
[00:01:26] change and therefore it
[00:01:30] can be done, without a doubt, well, Diego, what suits
[00:01:33] Argentina, Lula or Bolsonaro,
[00:01:36] look, Brazil suits it, meaning it suits it for Brazil to continue
[00:01:40] doing well, if it is
[00:01:44] Lula, that investments continue, that stability
[00:01:47] he has to solve can be
[00:01:51] solved, if it is Bolsonaro, that it
[00:01:54] is resolved. We remember that Flavio Bolsonaro
[00:01:57] is a representative of his father,
[00:02:00] how will that presidency be resolved, will he be the
[00:02:04] president, what role will the
[00:02:07] ex-president want to play,
[00:02:11] the elected president's stepmother, a brother who
[00:02:14] is exiled in the United States and who will want to seek
[00:02:18] revenge, all this I believe that even
[00:02:22] Flavio himself does not know how he will solve it, but
[00:02:25] he has been destroying industry and what let's hope he solves it well. For Argentina's interest, it is
[00:02:27] that Brazil continues to be the... this seventh
[00:02:30] economy in the world with high credibility,
[00:02:34] that does us good, it is our most
[00:02:37] important partner, so more than thinking in ideological
[00:02:40] terms, we have to think in terms of the
[00:02:44] interests of Argentina and Brazil, Argentina's interests
[00:02:49] generated with are clearly with a credible, prosperous Brazil that
[00:02:51] is doing well, I believe that this is what we have to understand, yes,
[00:02:55] precisely what the gentleman says is summarized in achieving the economic
[00:02:58] and emotional strength of our sister country Brazil, as you have
[00:03:02] been saying, and that we strengthen the
[00:03:06] relationship obviously with Brazil, Brazil and Argentina
[00:03:09] together we are the largest producers of energy, of
[00:03:13] in the world,
[00:03:16] so we are much more if we are
[00:03:19] together, that without a doubt, meaning that the
[00:03:23] small quarrels between the presidents, let's hope that the
[00:03:26] current ones resolve them, if not, the next ones will.
[00:03:30] Brazil Argentina we have more than 200 years of history, good
[00:03:33] Diego, sorry, no Diego, for
[00:03:37] the United States, is Brazil or
[00:03:39] Argentina more important?
[00:03:42] No, Brazil is more important than Argentina in terms
[00:03:45] of its territorial volume, its
[00:03:48] who took Brazil out of the public appearances he production, its population,
[00:03:52] them, I had yes, of the great countries in the world, without a doubt
[00:03:56] it is the most important country in South America, it is
[00:03:59] 52% of the gross product of all South America,
[00:04:02] so we have to understand this and not
[00:04:05] make mistakes. Now if there is a
[00:04:08] runoff between Lula and Flavio Bolsonaro,
[00:04:12] Argentina would have to maintain institutional silence in these coming
[00:04:16] weeks. But without a doubt, without a doubt,
[00:04:19] we have to
[00:04:21] I am going to say, because no, I am respect the will of the Brazilian people,
[00:04:25] and whether we do it or not, they will still do what they want, so
[00:04:28] they won't do it. Clear, now Aguelar,
[00:04:33] bond between Brazil and Argentina, I reformulate my colleague's question, will Argentina, in your
[00:04:36] opinion, with Miley as president, maintain institutional silence? I
[00:04:39] like to get to the point. I hope, I hope so, I think
[00:04:43] it's the right thing to do, not
[00:04:46] doing so would be, in my opinion, a
[00:04:48] mistake, good. Now, if for example Bolsonaro,
[00:04:52] Flavio Bolsonaro, were to win, what he is saying is that he
[00:04:55] is enthusiastic about winning in the first round.
[00:04:59] You. No, that cannot happen, neither of them
[00:05:02] will win in the first round, there will be a second round, yes, we are practically talking about
[00:05:06] a runoff from, I think it's October 25th, if I remember correctly,
[00:05:10] exactly, if Bolsonaro won. You, former
[00:05:13] ambassador to Brazil, would you recommend Miley travel?
[00:05:15] I
[00:05:19] think the good thing,
[00:05:21] if Lula won, no, if Lula wins, he doesn't
[00:05:24] travel, if Bolsonaro were to win
[00:05:28] and Aguelar being former ambassador, you call Miley and tell him
[00:05:32] to travel?
[00:05:37] The electorate will vote, I don't know what abstention there will be,
[00:05:40] probably 20 or 30%. But there are 160
[00:05:44] million Brazilians on the electoral roll,
[00:05:47] yes, the will of the Brazilian people, I believe that all Argentinians
[00:05:51] starting with the president, we must
[00:05:54] respect it, that without
[00:05:57] a doubt and celebrate that there will surely be a peaceful
[00:06:01] election, without fraud, therefore
[00:06:03] I believe that in any circumstance we have to get rid of
[00:06:07] the preferences that each one may have
[00:06:11] ideologically, but regardless of having
[00:06:14] ideological preferences, I insist, Argentina's interest is to
[00:06:18] strengthen ties with Brazil and its government, whoever
[00:06:22] it may be, especially and obviously, if it is elected by the
[00:06:25] people. Well, now Diego, you were saying just now Brazil, well, it goes from left to
[00:06:29] right, it was Lula, it was Bolsonaro, it comes and goes, it comes and goes, but the
[00:06:33] macro, you were saying just now, it rains in investments, for example, the macro
[00:06:36] is sustained, why doesn't Argentina achieve it? Because we
[00:06:40] don't have that situation of stability.
[00:06:43] Each government starts all over again, each administration is the
[00:06:46] negation of the previous one, we
[00:06:49] have a crack, not ideological passions, because look at
[00:06:52] Chile, Chile didn't move much either and went from one
[00:06:56] extreme of Boricha to the other of CAS, Uruguay the
[00:06:59] same, that is, our neighborhood has achieved institutional
[00:07:03] stability that we have not yet
[00:07:07] joined, sometimes we believe we are the most important, but it is not true,
[00:07:10] we are the ones at the tail end. We have not managed to put
[00:07:14] Argentina above partisan interests, that is what we
[00:07:18] lack, that is why the high country risk, today
[00:07:20] we have five times more country risk than the average of
[00:07:24] our neighbors, why does that happen? Because we
[00:07:27] do not offer stability and what
[00:07:30] interests Argentinians and foreigners is stability,
[00:07:34] after that there are ideological,
[00:07:36] political preferences, but perfect,
[00:07:39] that is a second topic.
[00:07:43] It is not the first topic, so we have to solve
[00:07:46] that, what would stability be, instead of
[00:07:49] thinking that it is paradise or
[00:07:52] hell, the result of
[00:07:55] the 27th, that it be neutral, that would be credibility,
[00:07:59] if whoever won the election of the 27th,
[00:08:02] Argentina continued to move forward, that is called
[00:08:06] stability, credibility, trust, beyond
[00:08:10] who the people elect. That is democracy, we
[00:08:14] have as pillars of our constitution alternation
[00:08:17] and diversity, that is, it is
[00:08:21] logical that there are governments of different signs in
[00:08:25] one, two elections, three elections, but that
[00:08:28] is democracy, our neighbors have achieved it, they have
[00:08:32] problems like we do, but they are growing in a
[00:08:35] sustained way, they have credibility, they have reserves, they have
[00:08:39] a stable currency, and well, that is the path we have
[00:08:43] to adopt, it is very simple, it is that of our neighbors, good,
[00:08:46] Diego, yes,
[00:08:47] go ahead,
[00:08:52] hello, how are you, I greet you, I wanted to
[00:08:56] ask you about what Miley declared, that if he is reelected in
[00:08:59] 2027, the year 2028 would be the
[00:09:02] best in Argentina's economic history, do you think
[00:09:06] this? Well, that is a wish that
[00:09:10] I share, I think it's very good. that we have
[00:09:13] a very good year 2028, I think there is no
[00:09:16] Argentinian who does not agree, now if we achieve
[00:09:19] it or not, we will see, today it is a wish,
[00:09:37] but Argentina also votes, there it is,
[00:09:40] we are live and direct with... you at the door of the Brazilian consulate in
[00:09:44] the heart of Buenos Aires, that's yours.
[00:09:48] And we are going to see how the voting continues here, which is a little delayed but but well
[00:09:52] many people keep coming, people keep coming, Carlitos
[00:09:56] to the place, guys, how are you all good?
[00:09:59] years, I am 21, 21 years
[00:10:02] old, well, a totally polarized country, it's a very
[00:10:05] important day for Brazil, for the future of Brazil, if it follows a line
[00:10:08] or if it changes course, which one do we choose?
[00:10:25] Yes, yes, I already voted, how long ago? Ah, he already voted, yes, yes, I already voted, electronic vote,
[00:10:28] no, yes, how was it? Was it fast or was the line
[00:10:32] I was in line two, which is a bit faster.
[00:10:37] mold. Why do I say this? Because most of the people who come with the Brazil
[00:10:41] jersey identify with Bolsonaro, that's why it caught my attention that you
[00:10:44] told me about Lula's supporter.
[00:10:48] What should I do this time? No, I put it here,
[00:10:51] yes, so that they don't confuse me with
[00:10:55] a Bolsonaro supporter, yes, what idea of a country do you think, obviously
[00:10:58] following Lula's line because you feel more identified with Lula and
[00:11:02] not say, well,
[00:11:12] we are connected with Alberto Fernández, Alberto Fernández, thank you for
[00:11:15] attending us at this moment, how do you see the
[00:11:18] election in Brazil and what do you think about the relationship if it can
[00:11:22] change, no, with respect to Argentina, Alberto. Generous of you,
[00:11:25] thank you for attending us, eh,
[00:11:28] please, good afternoon, how are you, good afternoon, eh, no,
[00:11:32] following with attention, everything that happens in Brazil
[00:11:34] clearly concerns us,
[00:11:39] the is not a triumph that has to do only with
[00:11:42] Brazil, it has to do with the whole region,
[00:11:46] and that the largest, largest economy of
[00:11:49] Latin America eh, remains in the hands of a responsible
[00:11:53] person, the name of. a democratic name above all
[00:11:57] things like Lula is something that should concern
[00:11:59] all of us, so I am following with great attention because I am also
[00:12:03] aware that we are living in a time
[00:12:06] where from the United States the
[00:12:10] polarization is forced,
[00:12:13] black stories are woven about popular
[00:12:16] leaders, yes, and the scandalous
[00:12:19] intrusion that one sees, the scandalous intrusion that we have seen in
[00:12:23] Bolivia where directly. they have taken
[00:12:25] Pelé,
[00:12:28] we don't know very well if
[00:12:31] he is in jail or kidnapped, we don't know very well what
[00:12:35] is happening to the prosecutor who was investigating him, but it is a
[00:12:38] proof of the level of scandalous interference of the United
[00:12:41] States in the region, well, yes,
[00:12:45] yes, let me ask you today, how do you see this
[00:12:48] Bolsonarism, much stronger than that of Jair
[00:12:51] Bolsonaro, which is even marking that... perhaps
[00:12:55] this identity can surpass its
[00:12:58] founder?
[00:13:01] I don't believe that, what I believe is that the
[00:13:04] appearance of Lula in Brazil began to generate
[00:13:08] an anti-Lula sentiment, similar to what in
[00:13:11] Argentina was
[00:13:14] Peronism and that at times everyone unites
[00:13:17] against him and then
[00:13:21] so many problems, so much pain he brought to
[00:13:24] Brazil. Now we are seeing it in Colombia, where an
[00:13:27] unusual character,
[00:13:30] of whom Colombians should feel ashamed, who is called los
[00:13:34] Priles, eh, has beaten Petro, who has done an
[00:13:38] impressive government and who managed to bring together all the
[00:13:41] popular forces against him, I don't
[00:13:45] believe that I want to believe that the people
[00:13:49] of Brazil are intelligent,
[00:13:52] wise people and will not go back to...
[00:13:56] voting for the son
[00:13:59] of an unhinged person who seems more unhinged than his father,
[00:14:02] frankly, I don't think he will do that. You, as
[00:14:05] former president, at some point also had that relationship with
[00:14:09] Brazil, at times closer, at times distant due to Jair
[00:14:12] Bolsonaro, what suits Argentina, to remain
[00:14:16] united with Brazil regardless of the president or to position itself
[00:14:20] due to the president that Brazil
[00:14:22] has? No, Argentina and Brazil are two
[00:14:26] countries inextricably linked by esteem and by
[00:14:30] interests, let's take into account that Brazil is our main
[00:14:33] trading partner, you just heard my opinion of Jair Bolsonaro,
[00:14:37] although you never heard me
[00:14:40] say this when I was president, neither
[00:14:43] mistreating President Bolsonaro, nor
[00:14:47] disqualifying him institutionally, nor
[00:14:49] disqualifying him ideologically, everyone knew that we had enormous
[00:14:53] differences, eh, but what had to be preserved was the
[00:14:58] what the president does not understand, I don't know
[00:15:01] if due to incapacity, due to ignorance, due to
[00:15:05] mental illness, I don't know, but what he doesn't understand is that
[00:15:08] with Brazil Argentina has to have a
[00:15:11] particularly close
[00:15:15] relationship, particularly close,
[00:15:18] because it is our main trading partner, it is the largest economy in the
[00:15:22] region, so, eh.
[00:15:26] To torpedo, pardon the
[00:15:29] somewhat academic term, but to torpedo the
[00:15:32] link between Brazil and Argentina is an
[00:15:35] absolute madness.
[00:15:39] Yes, yes, now you were talking about this torpedoing, is
[00:15:43] the situation reversible because in diplomatic terms
[00:15:46] we are going through one of the worst moments in terms of
[00:15:50] bilateral ties with Brazil, in fact we do not have today
[00:15:54] representation of the Brazilian ambassador due to the outbursts
[00:15:57] of President Miley against Lula da Silva, is this
[00:16:00] reversible? It is absolutely reversible and if it wasn't
[00:16:04] worse it was only because of the...
[00:16:12] because if President Lula had responded to Miley with the same
[00:16:16] coin that he tried to pay him with, today we would be
[00:16:19] in an enormous problem,
[00:16:21] enormous, enormous, so particularly I think
[00:16:25] that
[00:16:28] we have to reverse it, no, if it is possible to reverse it, we have to
[00:16:32] work to reverse the bad relationship that Miley
[00:16:35] has had with
[00:16:39] yes, with Brazil, now and let's trust
[00:16:42] that Lula will win again and continue acting with the wisdom that
[00:16:45] he always has, which is to pretend that a madman was talking to him
[00:16:49] and continue working with Argentina as it should. Well,
[00:16:53] now, eh, you as former president, eh, made
[00:16:56] economic decisions, if we see what is happening today in Brazil, it has economic stability, especially
[00:16:59] in the macroeconomy for many
[00:17:02] years, why doesn't Argentina achieve
[00:17:04] this?
[00:17:06] Well. many, eh, reasons that
[00:17:10] can lead or provide
[00:17:13] an explanation, Brazil for now is
[00:17:17] a country that has a society that believes in its currency even when they have had
[00:17:21] inflationary processes and have had anti-inflationary
[00:17:24] shocks, Brazilians never stopped
[00:17:27] believing in their currency, you have surely been in Brazil and
[00:17:31] when the time comes to exchange dollars for reais, it is very difficult
[00:17:34] for them and when they go to a bar they do not decorate in
[00:17:38] reais and they ask them to pay in reais, well, in
[00:17:42] Argentina that does not happen, in Argentina Argentinians save
[00:17:45] in dollars, they disbelieve in their currency
[00:17:49] and that makes Argentina have
[00:17:53] a demand for dollars, always
[00:17:56] permanent that definitely goes beyond
[00:17:59] the will of a government, that is almost
[00:18:03] Argentinians almost feel it as a right
[00:18:07] to access dollars, eh,
[00:18:10] without measuring the macroeconomic consequences for the
[00:18:13] country, there is an argument, there is an argument, the
[00:18:16] second argument is that Brazil is a country that has
[00:18:20] developed an industry that Argentina
[00:18:23] stopped developing
[00:18:26] and Brazil today is the seventh or eighth economy
[00:18:29] in the world, yes, and it is precisely the product of the industrial
[00:18:33] development it had, that is, when in the 50s,
[00:18:36] Argentina had its car
[00:18:40] and plane factory here, the
[00:18:44] revolution
[00:18:44] dismantled it.
[00:18:49] Well, now we are seeing that Lula is going for his fourth
[00:18:52] term, his first two terms he won, he won the election, he won well,
[00:18:56] the third one he also won, he won well, he is going for his fourth, something historical, who is the
[00:19:00] Argentinian Lula for you?
[00:19:03] There is no Argentinian
[00:19:05] Lula.
[00:19:07] Yes, some social networks made that comparison, let's say
[00:19:11] social networks, of course, we have to understand that
[00:19:15] Lula, like Perón, I didn't have the pleasure of
[00:19:18] knowing Perón, I knew him in my youth from Mario's
[00:19:22] square listening to him speak and from
[00:19:25] had, but I never had the opportunity to sit down and talk to
[00:19:30] the opportunity to talk many times with him
[00:19:33] his friend. Do you talk to him today? I suppose,
[00:19:38] yes, I suppose that Lula, that
[00:19:41] Perón was a character like
[00:19:44] Lula, they are people who have an enormous
[00:19:47] capacity to see reality, an enormous commitment to
[00:19:51] reality and an enormous, an enormous
[00:19:53] capacity to predict the future, understand well what
[00:19:59] not talking about that charlatanism, I am
[00:20:02] talking about being able to read the present and realize, realize
[00:20:06] the consequences that this present
[00:20:10] brings, there is a
[00:20:13] a an interview
[00:20:17] that Perón gave in 1972
[00:20:20] where Perón talks about what the
[00:20:24] world's climate crisis would be like in 1972
[00:20:28] and it seems like he said it yesterday, now
[00:20:31] that ability to predict what will happen
[00:20:34] to the world if it continues to do certain things is the same
[00:20:38] ability that Lula has, that's why Lula also didn't find
[00:20:42] a representative in Brazil, he didn't find one in
[00:20:44] Dilma,
[00:20:47] he didn't find one, he had to return.
[00:20:52] But just taking this topic, there are many similar things that we can draw a
[00:20:55] parallel between Argentina and Brazil. A little while ago
[00:20:58] we were talking about the procedural and legal situation
[00:21:01] of the different leaders,
[00:21:04] female leaders, here we compared the case of
[00:21:07] Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, do you think that Kirchnerism
[00:21:10] looks at what happened to Lula, having been
[00:21:14] imprisoned, returning to the presidency as a path to follow for
[00:21:18] Cristina?
[00:21:50] in some cases, now we are seeing it with
[00:21:53] Cristina, eh, the cases were
[00:21:56] founded on the laws of the repentant, which is a
[00:22:00] legislative disgrace that Argentina has that the United States
[00:22:03] promoted in the time of Macri and that in that context it was sanctioned in
[00:22:07] Argentina, the figure of the repentant makes someone who is
[00:22:11] convicted or prosecuted repent, accusing
[00:22:14] another of a crime and for that they lower the sentence, they did that
[00:22:18] with Lula, they do that with... Argentina and the painful case
[00:22:22] of the notebooks and also in the
[00:22:25] causality and well that's how we are, that's
[00:22:28] how we are, what I can say they have in common is that
[00:22:32] both, one suffered, that's why I went to see him
[00:22:36] when he was in prison when I was a presidential candidate,
[00:22:39] he was my friend, I loved him dearly, I knew what he was
[00:22:42] experiencing, I had written articles that were part of the
[00:22:45] international commission for
[00:22:48] Lula's freedom, the Pope.
[00:22:59] for having served us, he spoke with Lula lately,
[00:23:02] I didn't speak with Lula lately, I spoke yesterday
[00:23:05] with Morín, yes, and his
[00:23:07] foreign minister, he was his foreign minister, today he is
[00:23:11] his advisor, a kind of
[00:23:13] advisor
[00:23:16] and nothing, he was doing campaign things, I told him to tell him that...
[00:23:21] that I hope he wins today, because if Brazil wins and the
[00:23:53] I tell you, I'm already getting messages about Alberto Fernández's statements, it's going to cause a lot of
[00:23:57] trouble, what he said, the people didn't take to the streets for
[00:23:59] Cristina, no, no, but also this
[00:24:02] we leave, yes, yes,
[00:24:06] speaking alone, no, no, but trouble, but
[00:24:09] beyond that, it's a sensitive issue, it's a sensitive issue, but he said, but
[00:24:13] we also have to say another thing, he said that Lula to Cristina no, but
[00:24:17] here they already interpreted that.
[00:24:50] political risk was to visit him in prison and that is a good
[00:24:53] gesture that Lula always reciprocated to the
[00:24:56] former president,
[00:24:59] but unlike Miley who doesn't like Lula, this is already clear
[00:25:02] due to an ideological issue. Alberto never liked him, he called Jair
[00:25:06] Bolsonaro an unhinged person, he said Jair
[00:25:10] Bolsonaro is an unhinged person, but he never broke relations with Brazil,
[00:25:13] yes, be careful with what
[00:25:17] has to do with this because Eduardo Bolsonaro, the one who is a fugitive
[00:25:28] a great controversy that almost turned into a bilateral incident that had been a repression, I don't remember if a Boca or River team had to intervene, the
[00:25:32] ambassador also through at that time Daniel
[00:25:35] official
[00:25:38] who had to intervene to pacify that situation so that it would not
[00:25:42] turn into a cup Libertadores match, yes, they arrested a
[00:25:44] person for racism because in Brazil when you say "negro" they put you in jail, that is,
[00:25:48] racism is well established there. That's why this Argentina-Brazil relationship is
[00:25:52] very far from diplomacy, no, you, you ask, today
[00:25:56] yes, yes, well, now it also has to do with
[00:26:00] this, how each one plays because
[00:26:03] at the time, you just said it, when he went to visit him in
[00:26:07] prison, but Miley spoke about Bolsonaro, this is what Javier
[00:26:11] Miley said regarding today's election in Brazil,
[00:26:13] go ahead.
[00:26:16] We trust you, Flavio, to stop the socialist
[00:26:20] trash, the 21st century socialism has taken
[00:26:24] strong roots in this country,
[00:26:26] being the infamous São Paulo Forum
[00:26:30] founded by Lula da Silva and... Fidel
[00:26:32] Castro, a network key transnational for
[00:26:36] the dissemination of communism in the continent, today
[00:26:40] Latin American socialism is being eradicated
[00:26:44] election after election, Argentina,
[00:26:47] Colombia, Peru, Chile, Ecuador, and
[00:26:50] let's hope that in October it will also be Brazil
[00:26:54] liberal, we trust well there is Javier Miley talking
[00:26:58] about Bolsonaro, it is said that if Bolsonaro wins the
[00:27:01] election. Bolsonaro says he wins in the first round, beyond this
[00:27:05] uh there is a runoff on the 25th, if Bolsonaro wins, there is talk of a
[00:27:08] lightning trip by President Javier Mileiy to Brazil to
[00:27:12] celebrate with Bolsonaro, this is being talked about yes and a fact, no, that Javier
[00:27:16] Miley contributed, a liberal Brazil no, how far that liberalism
[00:27:20] or that right is so similar to Argentina, no, here we have the
[00:27:23] economist because Milei emphasizes the United States
[00:27:26] in Brazil which are all more protectionist industries
[00:27:30] that care more about the domestic no. unlike
[00:27:32] Argentina: well, there are two Mileys, one before the
[00:27:36] elections, another on platforms and another in
[00:27:39] political praxis, because in reality if we take what he
[00:27:43] says on the platforms, the most socialist of all is him,
[00:27:46] let's think that first he did not intervene, he did not destroy the central
[00:27:49] bank, second he has been intervening the currency with a dirty
[00:27:53] float, third he does not allow
[00:27:56] to freely agree on what the wage negotiations and salaries will be,
[00:28:00] with which for me the president. the most communist we have in
[00:28:04] Argentina in recent times, controversial what he says eh, no, no, no, I say it
[00:28:08] clearly, because really if you are liberal you have to contract with your
[00:28:11] actions, precisely with your
[00:28:14] actions, with your deeds what you are saying and Milei did none of that, he continues
[00:28:18] to intervene in the economy, he continues to raise taxes, he did not remove taxes, he did not
[00:28:21] remove the central bank, he continues to intervene in the value of the currency and above all
[00:28:27] is defended in capitalism is always industrial capacity.
[00:28:31] Carlos, why is it very important? I understand the election in
[00:28:34] Brazil, everyone is watching it and especially all of Latin
[00:28:37] America, because of the domino effect, it always happens, no, when
[00:28:41] the right wins, the left wins, the domino effect goes with the other elections in the other
[00:28:45] countries, so many are attentive that the domino effect in
[00:28:48] Brazil can go to the right
[00:29:02] very polarized situation, Lula Bolsonaro and we are going to talk here with
[00:29:05] the people, good afternoon, good,
[00:29:09] how are you, how hard-fought, how divided everything is, it's true,
[00:29:13] there are many, many candidates, I mean, but everyone focuses on, Lula or
[00:29:17] Bolsonaro, yes, I feel that it is a
[00:29:19] global trend that the elections are quite
[00:29:23] polarized, just as it was in 2022,
[00:29:26] 2018 it will continue, it seems to me, and
[00:29:29] you, until the end, I am.
[00:29:32] because I am for quality, universal public education,
[00:29:36] I am for health, uh, no,
[00:29:39] bad guys, and the truth is that since my mother is
[00:29:43] a teacher, I know the difference that Lula makes in the lives of the poorest
[00:29:46] people, the people who need it most, he is the only one
[00:29:51] poverty, out of hunger, so for me
[00:29:54] it is quite
[00:30:05] eh, very important for Brazil, clear, yes, difference, there is talk
[00:30:08] of a minimal difference from Lula, what country do we think for
[00:30:11] Brazil, that Lula continues or
[00:30:15] Bolsonaro, do we make a change, that Lula continues for me, that Lula continues,
[00:30:18] clear, Bolsonaro, no, no, why
[00:30:22] not, because for us who live
[00:30:25] here, Lula, no, no, no,
[00:30:28] you have to talk about all the education, the
[00:30:31] health. what he does with the others, with the poor, with
[00:30:34] the workers, you see,
[00:30:38] let's take advantage that the line is going, it was a bit, all
[00:30:41] of you, for example, what do you feel when
[00:30:44] I say Bolsonaro campaigns and most
[00:30:48] of the Bolsonaristas wear the Brazil shirt, as if whoever does not choose
[00:30:52] Bolsonaro is not a true Brazilian, no, that is stained
[00:30:55] with the history of Brazil because well if
[00:30:59] us who