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[00:07:42] Official data, let's go with the official data to see what's happening, Pablito
[00:07:46] Gómez de Olivera also has a lot of information, I have, I have information from the
[00:07:49] Department of Justice in this case from Brazil, yes,
[00:07:53] with the, they have sectors, there are 490 thousand
[00:07:56] sectors, yes, eh, and as you can see, I
[00:08:00] just updated it, Bolsonaro is at 50.1%,
[00:08:04] this is, this, it's a refresh, if it does
[00:08:11] what's here, go ahead, go ahead. That's
[00:08:50] how it will affect Argentina exactly, so let's go into it again, let's repeat this data, Pablo, please
[00:08:52] especially
[00:08:57] first understand that there are
[00:08:58] 499,248
[00:09:01] tables that will be counted to determine who will
[00:09:05] be president, well, at present, at this moment there are
[00:09:08] 12,892 tables
[00:09:15] which places Flavio Bolsonaro in first
[00:09:19] position with 49, look
[00:09:22] 49.5%, we are talking,
[00:09:26] sorry because it is not a minor detail, there are people who perhaps do not follow it so much, we are
[00:09:30] talking about Yair's son, he is Yair's son, although he looks very similar, it seems
[00:09:34] he had a facelift, he is a very young man, he comes from
[00:09:37] being a senator, he is currently a senator and is a
[00:09:41] future candidate. from Brazil and puts Lula in second
[00:09:44] place, the current president of Brazil with
[00:09:48] 41.88%, these are, let's see,
[00:09:52] we reiterate, the first official data, this
[00:09:55] can obviously change, it can turn
[00:09:58] around, these are the first, Bolsonaro, sorry, I'm
[00:10:01] going, Bolsonaro 49, put the other one again,
[00:10:05] Bolsonaro 49, let's see guys, graph, there it is,
[00:10:08] Bolsonaro 49.55
[00:10:12] and Lula 41.88,
[00:10:17] the presidential elections in
[00:10:20] Brazil, where are we going, to Brazil, no,
[00:10:23] Dana, Pablo. Pablo, there it is, come on, let's go
[00:10:26] with Quique Ortiz in San
[00:10:29] Pablo, let's see, live, direct, come on,
[00:10:33] go ahead Quique, live and direct in San
[00:10:35] Pablo, good evening, yes, well, I tell
[00:10:39] you, I tell you that well, the official data, well, they are going
[00:10:43] by district, by department, the first
[00:10:46] data they will obtain are the departments obviously that have to
[00:10:49] do with Bolsonaro, Lula's will be
[00:10:52] uploaded surely in the next minutes. We were just talking
[00:10:56] precisely with a delegate who was telling
[00:10:58] us, so the first data that
[00:11:02] are those that are in places
[00:11:05] tending to Bolsonaro are the first ones to be uploaded, those of
[00:11:09] okay, now we're going to go back with the
[00:11:12] mobile clear, the difference is being
[00:11:16] achieved because Bolsonaro's data is uploaded first
[00:11:19] minute by minute. Just
[00:11:23] now
[00:11:33] when we talked to the girls from Brazil, she said they call it the second round,
[00:11:36] right? We're talking about the runoff election. What
[00:11:40] happens if the data, if the data is like that, what will happen?
[00:11:43] Well, first we have Lula, actually Flavio
[00:11:47] Bolsonaro is missing 0
[00:11:50] point 46% to directly not go to
[00:11:53] the runoff.
[00:12:04] I have 50.24% for Flavio Bolsonaro, it's changing as
[00:12:07] we said, today there is no second round with that
[00:12:10] number, oh, but guys, wait, wait because this is
[00:12:14] very recent, it's changing, it's changing
[00:12:18] 22 tables already
[00:12:21] counted, 22 before. Remember now 22, Flavio
[00:12:25] Bolsonaro has 50.24%,
[00:12:28] with this Bolsonaro becomes
[00:12:31] president and there is no second round, how much does he have to have,
[00:12:34] how much does he have to have, uh
[00:12:37] Bolsonaro not to go to the second round
[00:12:40] 50.01, 50, 50,
[00:12:43] whoever has 50.015,
[00:12:46] there's no runoff with that,
[00:12:50] okay, we'll go to Brazil in a little while with a. uh
[00:12:53] journalist and analyst, let me know when we have him, Dana, because the whole
[00:12:57] country is in a commotion, obviously, and this also
[00:13:01] directly affects Argentina, Diego Pregna
[00:13:04] is on Zoom live and direct from Brazil, we go with
[00:13:07] him, go ahead, thank you Diego, we listen to you
[00:13:11] very attentively, hello friends, good evening, we are here at your
[00:13:16] a little about these first results that we were
[00:13:20] analyzing, surely you from there, although today the
[00:13:23] data is shared universally, uh, with technology, with immediacy,
[00:13:27] what is the analysis you make a few minutes after the
[00:13:30] voting closed, it's uh uh, the beginning
[00:13:34] is always like this, no, now
[00:13:37] we have almost 6% uh of
[00:13:41] the zones and always the
[00:13:45] the right always comes out with an
[00:13:48] advantage, right? Uh after
[00:13:51] approximately 7
[00:13:55] to 8 more or less, the
[00:13:59] zones in the northeast in the north of the
[00:14:03] country begin to be
[00:14:06] seen there and at the moment, at the
[00:14:09] moment, of course, Flavio it's normal, uh
[00:14:13] the first but uh the
[00:14:16] tendency is that after an hour
[00:14:19] later, uh the first place takes
[00:14:22] over, Diego, you had a very
[00:14:26] bad time with Lula, that is, what is the mood
[00:14:29] of the Brazilians, do they want Bolsonaro to win, did
[00:14:33] they have a good time, what is the feeling in
[00:14:36] Brazil? Uh, the feeling is that
[00:14:38] uh, the people are more concerned with national
[00:14:42] sovereignty, that's the truth, that's it, uh, it's something
[00:14:46] that people who study, people who
[00:14:50] have more concrete information,
[00:14:53] uh, have always been
[00:14:57] concerned with sovereignty, of course, the most
[00:15:00] poor want to live better, they want
[00:15:03] to live, they want to live with food in their
[00:15:06] homes, they want a better
[00:15:10] life, uh, the middle class of Brazilian society, no, the
[00:15:14] middle class has gone a lot for
[00:15:17] conservatism, family, uh, everything
[00:15:21] that Flavio has said,
[00:15:25] speech for
[00:15:29] president, but it
[00:15:31] seems to me that the that the... Flavio
[00:15:34] has a certain shame
[00:15:38] because the feeling of
[00:15:42] anti-Lulaism, for
[00:15:45] people who don't like Lula, has been stronger,
[00:15:49] so they choose Flavio but
[00:15:52] with a certain shame regarding
[00:15:55] him, look at that, let's see, wait for
[00:15:58] us a few minutes, stay because
[00:16:01] you're still on air, but we're going to the mobile unit. side, yes,
[00:16:04] because our colleague Leo Carlini is there, Leo, the movement there with
[00:16:08] these first official data that we are registering from the
[00:16:12] official page, how do you see them there, what is the spirit of the
[00:16:15] people? The people are very expectant,
[00:16:19] Leo Fer, look already what
[00:16:22] the queues are like, they are
[00:16:26] 5 in the afternoon, those who could enter through this
[00:16:29] fence went to vote, others could
[00:16:33] not. But the majority are already here in the
[00:16:37] area, some leaving, girls, did you
[00:16:40] vote, did you vote, we are,
[00:16:43] hello, how are you, no, we haven't been able to vote yet because we want to vote
[00:16:47] for Cristina, we want her,
[00:16:50] well, different, different, different
[00:16:53] manifestation, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, let's see, is there anyone from Brazil here?
[00:16:56] We would have to see if they are legally here in Argentina,
[00:17:00] they are legally in Argentina, in this case you can tell us. from your
[00:17:04] perspective and that Brazil wins in the first round without
[00:17:07] a second round, that it wins, of course, but
[00:17:11] Brazil, but my love, these are elections in Brazil, why, why do you choose
[00:17:15] and why do you choose Lula, what is it that
[00:17:18] attracts you about his political position, about his proposal?
[00:17:22] First, compared to Bolsonaro, people ask a
[00:17:25] Bolsonarista about his government proposals, he doesn't have
[00:17:28] any, he was in government for more than 20 years, uh, as
[00:17:32] a state councilman and did absolutely
[00:17:35] nothing, no proposals and the only thing he has is privatizing beaches, the
[00:17:39] only proposal he has. Lula has already done a lot for the country, he is
[00:17:43] one of the iconic presidents of Latin America
[00:17:49] many, many reasons to vote for him today and
[00:17:53] always. Where in Brazil are you from? I am from Belém.
[00:17:56] Almost 15 years? Okay. Why
[00:17:59] did you come? Because it is a beautiful
[00:18:02] country, my family also lives here. and we stayed,
[00:18:05] okay, I love Argentina and I love Latin America, there you go, Leito, we'll be back with
[00:18:09] you in a little while, there you go, eh, let's see, Diego,
[00:18:12] Diego, wait, there's a lot of information, let's go back with Diego who is
[00:18:16] from San Pablo if I'm not mistaken, no Diego, Diego, you are in San Pablo, aren't you, if I'm not
[00:18:20] mistaken, no, no, I'm in Natal,
[00:18:24] Natal, Natal, no, yes, Natal, Diego, what happened,
[00:18:27] what's going on with Bolsonaro and these
[00:18:31] discriminatory acts that you have carried out.
[00:18:34] uh during his government, many people, the gay movement
[00:18:38] uh offended by the discriminatory acts that Bolsonaro
[00:18:41] has committed, that was maintained in the campaign of Flavio, Yair's
[00:18:44] son, also because
[00:18:48] Flavio has
[00:18:51] followed the same
[00:18:54] ideas as his father,
[00:18:57] no, the same line,
[00:19:00] that is, Bolsonaro, gay people out of Brazil, black people.
[00:19:04] to impose, for example, the evangelical
[00:19:24] religion, right, that it be something
[00:19:28] that Catholicism
[00:19:31] is not as strong as it is
[00:19:35] today, so for them it's something more
[00:19:38] about religion, it's something
[00:19:40] more about a situation that always favors
[00:19:46] the pyramid of society, so they always
[00:19:50] do that, they have a very beautiful country, may it be the best, we continue to inform,
[00:19:53] thank you for this contact, I know you will be in the continuity of today's
[00:19:57] entire day, thank you, Diego, a big hug,
[00:20:01] Pablo, let's update with the data, please, well, let's update, uh, here we have
[00:20:05] 37 tables. Uh-huh, from
[00:20:08] which it is expected, I'll tell you the numbers, millions of people,
[00:20:11] 8,800,21
[00:20:13] people, of which
[00:20:15] 4,700, sorry,
[00:20:18] 4,472
[00:20:20] Bolsonaro has, this puts him in a position of
[00:20:24] 50.70%,
[00:20:27] that is, let's recap until this hour with these
[00:20:30] first data that began to run from 5:40 approximately, which
[00:20:34] we have been throwing. Yes, the
[00:20:37] 50.70%, if we go by this
[00:20:41] number, that's it, that's it, there's no second round, but
[00:20:45] clearly, guys, please.
[00:20:47] We are not in the first official
[00:20:51] data one, this is this is
[00:20:54] official data from the Ministry of Justice of Brazil, we have to put the page that
[00:20:57] they put here, let's see, yes, there's a lot missing, yes, because this is
[00:21:01] 7.59%,
[00:21:03] 92% is still missing, but it puts
[00:21:07] Bolsonaro in first place
[00:21:10] who won, we are saying that at this hour it is what
[00:21:14] the boy who spoke said,
[00:21:17] a supposed winner to be given first and then
[00:21:20] as the counting continues,
[00:21:24] you clean up the graph so we can read and so that people
[00:21:26] can also, let's analyze and
[00:21:29] let's review at this hour how the elections are in Brazil,
[00:21:33] uh, my dear Leo,
[00:21:36] let's put it here, as Pablo said, the
[00:21:39] total almost 50,000
[00:21:41] tables, but look, it says 7.59, that
[00:21:45] is the number of voters who arrived today, at least they are
[00:21:48] counting or tallying that amount, 82
[00:21:52] is still missing, almost, okay, well, let's go, the important thing, valid, valid votes,
[00:21:56] 8 million below, where is it, Fer, 8 million votes below,
[00:21:59] 8,821, above, well,
[00:22:02] I have 50.70, that is, 50.70 Bolsonaro
[00:22:06] at this hour of the afternoon with 4,472,971
[00:22:10] votes and I have the
[00:22:12] uh, oh, you're showing me, let me know if you show
[00:22:16] me? 972 point difference, let's see, here we
[00:22:28] begin, the analysts, the political analysts, what they have to analyze
[00:22:31] or what they have to observe is the difference, what difference is there, it's
[00:22:35] almost 10 points difference, it's a lot, let's
[00:22:38] see, evidently it has to reach, 92%
[00:22:42] is still missing, which means it will be minute by
[00:22:46] minute, it has already started. A big difference, 10 points difference
[00:22:50] today, Bolsonaro, these are the first official data,
[00:22:53] we have a way to recap the history, Dana, of today, what is happening
[00:22:57] in Brazil with a breaking news red plate and we will
[00:23:00] go back with Roberto Nolasco who will be connected with us to
[00:23:04] make the first analysis after today's elections for
[00:23:08] the presidential elections of Brazil
[00:23:11] breaking
[00:23:17] news. Brazil
[00:23:31] chooses
[00:23:33] president,
[00:23:39] well, let's hope it's the best choice for our Brazilian brothers, Roberto
[00:23:43] Nolasco is connected, dear Roberto, we hear you,
[00:23:46] thanks for being there, what's your analysis in these first minutes.
[00:23:50] After the closing, right, of the
[00:23:54] voting, how are you, good afternoon, let's see,
[00:23:58] the analysis is and I was listening to you and it's always good to keep in mind, Brazil is
[00:24:02] the seventh most populated country in the world, we are talking about an immense flow of votes,
[00:24:05] so that more than 80% of the votes are missing, what it tells us is
[00:24:08] let's wait to draw conclusions, let's wait to see
[00:24:12] how it develops, how the votes from the northeast arrive, which is
[00:24:15] like, uh, you know when they say the votes from La Matanza are missing and can change the election, well
[00:24:19] of course. Let's see all those results
[00:24:22] because we are talking again about an immense democracy
[00:24:26] territorially and in population it has more inhabitants than
[00:24:29] Russia to give an example for people to understand
[00:24:32] the first uh the first
[00:24:35] results are in line with what the previous list said that I don't remember the
[00:24:39] name
[00:24:39] sorry
[00:24:44] ah okay okay Diego the votes from San
[00:24:48] Pablo always arrive first. It is where Flavio Bolsonaro votes, it is the
[00:24:51] stronghold of Bolsonarism, so uh, let's wait to see
[00:24:55] how it develops, what we do have to keep in mind is what they said, well, let's see
[00:24:59] the difference, let's see who finishes first, who finishes second and let's see how
[00:25:03] everything is for the runoff, if there is a
[00:25:06] second round uh the
[00:25:10] results of the first round tell you a lot about the strength and how
[00:25:13] each one is positioned, of course, we have to understand, Roberto, that
[00:25:17] well, we are giving the first data from the official
[00:25:20] page, but obviously only a minimum, a
[00:25:23] minimum there, Estelita, a minimum percentage, obviously this will
[00:25:27] take time,
[00:25:31] we simply say that according to the current results, Bolsonaro is literally
[00:25:35] winning, not because of the number of scrutinized
[00:25:38] tables, Estela, I want to ask
[00:25:42] Roberto if the number that Bolsonaro got in his
[00:25:45] place where he always is, is good, of course, if the
[00:25:48] 10% that he has over Lula is good for
[00:25:52] Bolsonaro, it's very good, it's very good, that is, it's
[00:25:55] an important advantage, Rio de
[00:25:58] Janeiro and the southeast of Brazil, which is the part
[00:26:02] that is more conservative for us, more right-wing and
[00:26:06] votes more for these candidates, but let's see, the beginning for
[00:26:09] Bolsonaro is very good, you said it and very correctly, he is very close to
[00:26:13] 50 points, he surpasses it, he drops it, he is around
[00:26:20] the afternoon will be long, the night will be long, it is a very large
[00:26:23] democracy, uh, and
[00:26:27] especially what happened in the last elections in the region, I don't know if you remember the election in
[00:26:30] Peru, someone ends up winning because the votes, the election in Chile was
[00:26:34] close, the one in Colombia was close, so we are in a
[00:26:37] cycle in the region of polarizing political dynamics, that
[00:26:40] go to two extremes and are always ending very close,
[00:26:44] so uh, Bolsonaro starts very
[00:26:47] well, the difference is very, very
[00:26:50] relevant for the quantity, what suits
[00:26:53] us as a country, also being astute
[00:26:57] as an inhabitant of this country, what suits us, what president suits
[00:27:00] us, because we know that...
[00:27:03] he clashes with Lula, that also hinders communication,
[00:27:06] a communication channel, the ambassador issue,
[00:27:09] exactly, well, there we also
[00:27:12] have to consider how the United States plays in all this, right, the United States is also
[00:27:16] tense with Lula, so a lot of help comes
[00:27:20] here, in case Flavio Bolsonaro, the aid could
[00:27:23] diversify between the two countries or concentrate a little more in Brazil, but
[00:27:26] also let's remember that the elections in November in the United States are coming. which also finishes organizing the whole scenario,
[00:27:30] right, today is a first step in this more general
[00:27:34] accommodation, now if a Flavio
[00:27:37] Bolsonaro wins, we will see a Mercosur promoting more free trade
[00:27:40] agreements, a more eh agenda in line with what Milei
[00:27:43] likes in Mercosur, the relationship with the United States will be another point to analyze
[00:27:47] to analyze for and let's not forget, we clearly forgot,
[00:27:51] we are very attentive to next year in Argentina, right, that Milei
[00:27:54] already uh anticipated it a few months ago, we discussed it here now because of what
[00:27:58] I. Beyond this, beyond
[00:28:02] this, more, more broadly, Roberto, you will understand where the debate is going now
[00:28:05] so that colleagues can give their opinion, uh, according to the mood
[00:28:09] of the president of one country and the
[00:28:12] other, we are all in the middle, that is, I would like, as
[00:28:16] an inhabitant of Argentina, that we should not be hostages of them, that is, not hostages, if Lula
[00:28:19] wins or
[00:28:22] if Bolsonaro from the United States wins,
[00:28:25] the United States, be careful, that is, at some point it depends on the vibe that our
[00:28:29] president with whom he wins not a little so clear clear. yes, terrible,
[00:28:33] shameful, that would be a bit simplistic, I think what
[00:28:37] people need to understand is that what is clashing here in Brazil and surely what will happen in
[00:28:40] Argentina next year is that two visions clash, not only of the country but of
[00:28:44] the world, Lula believes that uh we are going towards a
[00:28:49] the table uh of the big players so to speak because Brazil well, it's building
[00:28:53] nuclear reaction submarines, it's building supersonic fighter jets with national
[00:28:57] manufacturing, so he believes that we are going to a world where and Brazil's
[00:29:00] vision is to make the world unipolar. we will be able to play
[00:29:04] Bolsonaro, uh I'm not so clear what vision he has, I believe that the
[00:29:08] military establishments of Brazil will accompany Lula's vision
[00:29:11] so even if the president changes, it will be a bit more complex for that vision to change, but
[00:29:15] what vision does Milei have? Milei has the vision of going to a bipolar world with
[00:29:19] China and the United States as big players and one has to be closer or
[00:29:22] further from each one the vision of the world and the
[00:29:26] vision we are already there and we have to accept reality, no if
[00:29:29] we are already there because China practically. is a world
[00:29:33] power, it is undeniable beyond
[00:29:36] president as a communication channel, which is
[00:29:39] Chronicle reached 51%, there it is
[00:29:42] 5109
[00:29:45] sorry Fer, so I'll finish the other data 50, let's see put me
[00:29:49] 5109 Bolsonaro
[00:29:51] 4067
[00:29:53] uh Lula da Silva surpassed the 10 difference so far it's very recent that
[00:29:57] no one seg
[00:29:59] but wait, wait in voter. a million and a half
[00:30:03] voter difference, I'll give you now I want to say something, I want to say something now at the end and we
[00:30:06] thank Roberto for the communication, uh
[00:30:10] that Milei has a good relationship because if he
[00:30:13] gets, as it's commonly said, annoyed uh with the
[00:30:16] presidents, he called Lula a criminal
[00:30:20] and almost cut off communication, no Roberto made a political
[00:30:23] appreciation directly neutral, neither of one
[00:30:27] side nor the other and he put what what is the
[00:30:29] future of Argentina if one wins, if the other wins, it's a
[00:30:32] neutral international political appreciation because
[00:30:36] he doesn't lean towards one side, that's what I mean,