CRONICA — broadcast 20261004 213000 UTC 509 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] The problem there started with [00:00:04] a woman having contact with my daughter. Wait, yes, Vero, how are you? [00:00:07] Accomplice. Exactly, the woman [00:00:11] is an accomplice of the husband in all this. Of course, [00:00:14] she knows very well the maneuver he was pulling. Who knows if [00:00:17] she was looking for and [00:00:19] then [00:00:23] I, I... yes, she's ill-mannered. [00:00:27] At 7 in the morning, 7:30, [00:00:30] I see my daughter washing clothes and [00:00:34] she was washing his clothes only, and she tells me, [00:00:38] "Mommy, she doesn't want to wash her husband's clothes." [00:00:42] "So I'm doing a little job, don't get angry." And I didn't [00:00:46] understand anything. [00:00:48] And it was that the guy was already sweet-talking [00:00:51] my daughter. How [00:00:54] Angostura happened in terrible. Now I'm going to say one thing, but he also tried, excuse me, he also [00:00:56] tried with the other daughters too. A [00:01:00] serial abuser. Abuser, exactly. He's a [00:01:03] potential abuser. First I'm going to say, yes, I know the [00:01:06] lawyers will call me, but if we cover the guy's [00:01:10] face, we'll never find him. Yes, then justice, I'm fed up with [00:01:14] this, because this is how we are in the neighborhoods, uh, because of the [00:01:16] lawyers, uh, who then say no, uh, there was no [00:01:19] right, there was no right, I don't know what, it doesn't matter. [00:01:23] Old man, we have to show this guy's face because if we don't, we'll never find him again. And then there's [00:01:27] a very serious issue, let's not mess around. This girl [00:01:30] is a minor, she's missing, she's a minor, uh, do you think she's [00:01:33] kidnapped by this guy? This is not a joke, it's not like, oh, [00:01:37] well, she ran away. Yes, it's like that. Well, then no covered face [00:01:40] or anything. And justice, the police, all they do is cover for [00:01:44] these criminals. What do they do besides nothing? [00:01:46] Ma'am, [00:01:51] La Marca, a town in Río Negro, but I don't know, nothing. I want him to be punished, I want my daughter back. [00:01:53] She can't have been swallowed by the earth. What, what [00:01:57] did this man do with my daughter? The earth doesn't swallow anything. You know that in the middle [00:02:00] of all this situation, [00:02:03] uh, Luciana, I mean, he took her. In reality, nothing is known [00:02:07] about Luciana. The only thing is that she's with this 30-year-old man because there are photos or [00:02:10] images of them together, but in reality, she is [00:02:14] a minor. She's older. Wait, wait, [00:02:17] a situation, clearly, they already had a relationship, they had a relationship, right? And [00:02:21] the photo, of course, they started to maintain a bond. Ah, well, why don't you tell [00:02:25] me? Yes, and a pregnant woman. Thank goodness, as if [00:02:29] at some point. I don't understand anything. The strange thing about the situation also [00:02:32] could be said is that when she finds her washing clothes and asks her [00:02:36] what she was doing, that she was washing clothes precisely for this tenant, what [00:02:40] Maria mentions to me is that [00:02:42] his wife, that is, the wife of this man who is now with this [00:02:45] minor, gives Luciana the contact to [00:02:49] arrange with my husband about the clothes and the odd jobs. That's when he starts to [00:02:53] harass her with messages, to start [00:02:57] at her mother-in-law's house. She there. He took her from the house because she disappeared. How many days have they been [00:03:01] looking for her? Last Saturday she disappeared. [00:03:05] 10 days ago, on the [00:03:08] 24th, but ma'am, how did they do it? She left and [00:03:11] came back, she left and came back. [00:03:15] Yes, it's all in the prosecutor's office, all [00:03:19] of it. But wait, wait, yes, wait, wait, because there's something [00:03:22] strange here. The girl has a thing in the middle here, but [00:03:25] she has a relationship with the guy, right? And the photos, where did they come from, you were [00:03:29] telling me? Are they published somewhere? [00:03:32] The situation was the following: she was actually [00:03:35] dating another boy her age, when this man starts living [00:03:39] here, he starts harassing her with messages, this and that, he takes her [00:03:42] one day, on [00:03:45] October [00:03:47] family discussions and it's 21st, he takes her, on September 21st, sorry, on September 21st he [00:03:50] takes her, then he brings her back, so to speak, [00:03:53] they recover them with the [00:03:56] police. Yes, she was in Cañuela. In a square, oh, the guy [00:04:00] had already taken her, both of them. Clearly, he [00:04:03] had already taken her, and this second time, nothing is known directly. I mean, nothing is known. [00:04:07] Today they even activated the Sofia alert, but the woman and the [00:04:11] children are still living [00:04:13] there. No, no, no, they left. No, so he [00:04:17] is, he is, as he left with the girl, he left with the [00:04:21] minor, and the family stayed here. The family then [00:04:24] left. Moreover, nothing is known. His wife threatens the family, [00:04:27] because precisely other cases are [00:04:30] coming to light where this man apparently, through social media, [00:04:33] many people complain from many neighbors that he would have [00:04:37] harassed other minors in other places. I mean, [00:04:41] this accumulates other cases that apparently Constancia, who [00:04:44] is the wife, there must be evidence that that person is the [00:04:48] wife. Well, but she came [00:04:51] pregnant with supposedly his. Yes, [00:04:54] only three children. What promiscuity all [00:04:57] this is. We can't wrap our heads around these things that happen in the neighborhoods, that's why when [00:05:01] I tell you, you see what happens in the neighborhoods, this happens and the only [00:05:04] channel that goes is Crónica, of course, the others are in Palermo with the new ice cream shop, [00:05:08] we are here with the people, with those who... real trouble and these [00:05:12] absurdities because in reality the guy after harassing a lot [00:05:15] of girls should be in jail and he's not in jail, on top of that we cover [00:05:19] his face because then you lawyers come [00:05:22] Veronica oh no, the legitimate defense was not protected. What a kick, you know [00:05:25] where? To this... Well, well, I [00:05:29] agree that it has to be shown, we have to show him. [00:05:33] We found a message. Look, to 11 61 76 [00:05:37] 5692. Mica, we have messages enabled now on WhatsApp so that [00:05:40] you can talk to us. Who do you think has seen Luciana? And we have a very important [00:05:44] message that says: I saw her, Maria's daughter, the last [00:05:47] time with... ah, it was her and the man. I saw them in Vista [00:05:51] Alegre. What is Vista Alegre? [00:05:55] Here, near my house. [00:05:58] Well, then people are seeing him. On top of that, the guy's impunity, [00:06:01] he takes his daughter as if nothing happened, uh, and everyone [00:06:05] sees him. It's an outrage. This guy has to be [00:06:08] in jail, uh, in jail and no joke. Exactly. [00:06:12] Don't cover his face, don't [00:06:15] cover it because he has a [00:06:18] 9-year-old girl. You have the photo there. He's [00:06:22] 8 or 8 years older than my [00:06:25] daughter. Uh, how, 8 [00:06:28] years? [00:06:29] Because she [00:06:32] when he was sweet-talking her, she still had [00:06:36] 16, clearly, 16 years old. And what does the [00:06:40] father do? "He's like her dad, he's my [00:06:45] husband, but he's like her dad. Let me speak. He cares, as if he were her [00:06:48] real dad." What's his name, sir? Luis. Let's talk to [00:06:52] Luis. [00:06:53] On this side, I grab my head. [00:06:57] Luis, I see you there, [00:07:00] resigned, worried. The truth is I'd be fuming, [00:07:03] excuse me. [00:07:05] What relationship do you have, I hear you, what [00:07:08] relationship did you have with this guy? No, a hundred and something. [00:07:44] 180 something like that per month. What does he do? With internet, [00:07:48] electricity, water, with everything. But [00:07:50] listen, what does he do? At least what he said he [00:07:53] did, he went to work. [00:07:56] No, he went, he went to work. In fact, he was working [00:08:00] in a well-known butcher shop [00:08:02] very close by and yet he had been [00:08:06] fired because he had stolen there in the [00:08:09] same jobs. He deprives himself of nothing, a thief, [00:08:13] an abuser, uh, surely an abuser, besides he's [00:08:17] an alcoholic, drug addict, a lot of things they're telling us now. He got [00:08:20] all the numbers wrong. You know when we say [00:08:24] the photo, of course, because now in the comments, in the comments that [00:08:28] we receive about the [00:08:31] request for Luciana's whereabouts, there are many [00:08:34] people commenting, telling us [00:08:38] how cynical this man is. And how unscrupulous, because who would [00:08:45] imagine? Imagine, you receive a family, a [00:08:48] woman with two children and [00:08:52] pregnant, who right now the baby must be two [00:08:55] months old. I mean, one, [00:08:58] one would least [00:09:01] expect a 30-year-old man [00:09:05] to act charming [00:09:07] with a girl. How charming, that's why I say I would be like... yes, I would grab [00:09:11] this boy, what's his name? Pereira, right? And his first [00:09:15] name, José. José Pereira, look, crazy. [00:09:18] Cover his face, show him yourself since we can't. [00:09:22] Show him Show him, show him to the camera. [00:09:25] We are, we are exposing, exposing [00:09:28] all the [00:09:30] We can't. You on Facebook are publishing everything. Show him to me, [00:09:34] Luis, his photo, we are publishing. Well, [00:09:38] that's it, but what I want is for my daughter to come home, I want my daughter [00:09:42] to come home. But now, Luis, later, later [00:09:45] he will have to take responsibility because the penal code covers it. [00:09:49] In the code, articles 119 and [00:09:53] 120, have a penalty of three to 15 [00:09:57] years. Well, you can't tell me [00:10:00] that the girl gave him consent to have [00:10:04] sexual relations and go with him. She can't because she's very [00:10:07] easily manipulated. Can I ask you a question? [00:10:11] I want to know, with great respect, if your [00:10:16] daughter, your beloved daughter, welcome to her [00:10:19] sentiment, has any mental health situation, or [00:10:23] something similar, in a good way, perhaps a developmental [00:10:27] delay, she is not located in time and form according to her [00:10:30] age. [00:10:32] It's true, one generally finds it [00:10:36] difficult to have to say, yes, she has a [00:10:39] slight delay, but she has it. Ah, let's say she's very, very [00:10:43] easily influenced. She's very easy to [00:10:47] manipulate, to convince her, so to speak. [00:10:50] Exactly. [00:10:52] Anyway, [00:10:55] anyway, that man has no forgiveness from God. We have to [00:10:58] catch him. You know what? I'm going crazy. Luis, a lot of messages are coming in, right? [00:11:02] Yes, to 11 61 76 [00:11:05] 56 92. You can communicate if you believe you saw [00:11:09] Luciana, where you last saw her, so the family can also [00:11:12] track her down. Uh, the truth is that many people are indignant [00:11:16] about, obviously, Luciana's age, being so young, and that everything is [00:11:19] normalized in the neighborhood. Cover their faces, show them. [00:11:23] a kidnapping that has [00:11:58] illegitimate purposes. Not a kidnapping and [00:12:02] uh, this case that we don't know, beyond the fact that she [00:12:05] is a minor, that they have seen her, we don't know if it was against [00:12:08] her will, beyond the fact that being a minor, it will be taken as if [00:12:12] no consent was given, but these are different cases, so we have to [00:12:16] see what kind of event we are dealing with. Clear, that's why I was precisely going to [00:12:20] ask the gentleman, the father, to ask if [00:12:23] at any time she expressed, [00:12:26] expressed if she really wanted to go with him, if she [00:12:30] liked him, any indication, any communication. [00:12:33] It's clear, but if they see them freely walking around, it's [00:12:37] strange. That's the issue. [00:12:40] Detail, the father admitted she has a [00:12:43] problem. Manipulable. [00:12:46] And let's not forget that she was [00:12:50] in a relationship, living with her boyfriend at her mother-in-law's [00:12:53] house as well. [00:12:55] Let's clarify something. [00:13:00] She had a boyfriend her own age. [00:13:02] Period. [00:13:04] She worked. She came and saw [00:13:08] him. We consented because he came to our [00:13:11] house. I don't want you to mix things up. [00:13:14] Excuse me. The mother said at [00:13:18] the time that she lived with him [00:13:22] said it. Yes. [00:13:27] Look, it's fine, it's fine. I, I want [00:13:29] to clarify a, I want to clarify some things. [00:13:33] Let's see, a good family. She had a boyfriend her same [00:13:36] age. She went to school, he accompanied her to school, he [00:13:40] brought her back. Perfect with the kid. Now, [00:13:43] this 30-year-old guy [00:13:47] can easily manipulate a [00:13:50] minor, obviously. Right. [00:13:54] razón. [00:13:56] Both Vero and Marcelo here are siding with [00:13:58] We are not doing [00:14:01] right, old man, with Luis, this guy is [00:14:04] a snake, a charmer, and he also [00:14:08] takes advantage of the fact that the girl has some difficulty. Let's not joke with [00:14:11] that. It's not right. We are not clarifying, we are not, on the [00:14:15] contrary, on the contrary, I hope that [00:14:18] I hope that she is listening and that she appears and that she is well. I don't know [00:14:21] who the girl who is giving her opinion is. Let's let's break this down. [00:14:37] We trust a tenant with his family, with [00:14:41] two children and a baby. You can't [00:14:43] ever imagine that a guy, a mentally ill person like that, I agree, [00:14:47] would fight with his wife, abandon his children to take [00:14:50] a 16 going on 17-year-old girl. [00:14:54] Well, you understand? Now, well, [00:14:58] then what makes us most indignant is that for 10 days [00:15:02] the mother has been reporting it to the police and they're making a [00:15:05] joke of it, right? They're making a joke of it. They gave her a [00:15:09] tip that they saw the girl in Constitución and the mother ran [00:15:13] to Constitución to look for what? [00:15:16] Nothing. Luis, I have bad news for you. Well, it was all [00:15:19] day, she came back. Luis, I have terrible news for you that I tell everyone when [00:15:23] we go to the neighborhoods, I repeat, the only channel that [00:15:25] goes to the neighborhoods, justice doesn't care about people who don't have resources, [00:15:28] uh, from middle class downwards or poor, screw them. This [00:15:32] is clear in Argentina, justice is the worst thing we have. But [00:15:36] listen, listen, I'm going with this, I'm going with this. If I [00:15:39] go out looking, I'll blow this guy's brains out. Justice, yes, it matters [00:15:43] to them if I smash the head of a son of a bitch like this. Right, you're right. [00:15:46] So justice will remember me, of course. I agree with [00:15:50] you, Luis. Well, let's do one thing, then let's put things in their place, no. I agree [00:15:54] with you, that's why, forget it. Let's do one thing, the topic is out there and the [00:15:58] photo is circulating. We'll be back in a moment, we have a lot of information. Stay [00:16:02] there, Jessica, good job, come on. 6:45 PM, a [00:16:05] screen. Well, here it comes. [00:16:09] Today, [00:16:12] camera director, a big weight for him. Last minute. [00:16:16] The screen heats up, you make me angry. [00:16:19] You make me angry. [00:16:23] Horror in Villa La Angostura, let's see if [00:16:27] it evens out here. He killed his 3-year-old daughter. That's what I'm [00:16:30] telling you, things are tremendous, huh? The girl was murdered after [00:16:33] a couple's argument. Many times they are the spoils [00:16:37] caught in the middle. The accused allegedly tried to commit suicide [00:16:41] after the crime. Many of you will say, what a shame. [00:16:45] The damage. [00:16:48] This is in Villa La Angostura. We're [00:16:50] going there, to Patagonia, to the south of our country, there's Gonzalo, [00:16:54] our colleague. How are you, Esteban? How are you? Good afternoon to you all. How [00:16:58] are you? Well, this, to be honest, makes me super [00:17:01] sad. It's an outrage. The case, perhaps [00:17:05] the topic... madness, a madness of the afternoon in [00:17:08] Argentina. Yes, the truth is that it is an [00:17:10] atrocious case, obviously, it happened in Villano in Costura where we don't have many [00:17:14] precedents of police cases of these characteristics, so [00:17:18] the whole society is very shocked by what happened, despite the fact that the [00:17:21] people, the murderer, his wife [00:17:24] and the girl who died were from [00:17:28] they were precisely vacationing here in Villa La [00:17:32] Costura. Good. No, the first thing is true, Villa [00:17:35] Lango. For those who don't know, it's an extraordinary, divine [00:17:39] place, quiet, nothing happens but tourism, uh, in the lakes [00:17:42] and good vibes. For this to happen, these [00:17:46] people, Gonzalo, uh, are [00:17:49] workers, they're like, do you know what they did? No, no, [00:17:53] no, not much information has been released. There's a very strict [00:17:57] summary secrecy. People from the forensic medical [00:18:00] team of the judicial power of Neuquén have come, [00:18:03] and obviously this imposes a very [00:18:07] strong secrecy. What we know, what could be reconstructed [00:18:10] and what sources with access to the case have obviously [00:18:14] disclosed, is that this happened yesterday around 6:30 in the [00:18:18] afternoon in a very central area. They were in a [00:18:22] cabin, and the 3-year-old girl. The mother managed to [00:18:25] escape, but then the man [00:18:29] also injured himself in the neck, apparently in a [00:18:33] suicide attempt, but he didn't succeed. He was taken to the local [00:18:36] hospital, and from there he was transferred to Ramón Carrillo Hospital in San [00:18:39] Martín de los Andes, which has much more complexity than that of Villa La Angostura. Well, we are with Diego [00:18:43] Ángeles, a security specialist. How are you, Diego? [00:18:47] Uh, what I'm saying is that in Argentina, people are killed much more with [00:18:50] knives than with firearms. It depends on what. [00:18:53] Wait, grab the microphone please. Go ahead. Uh, in statistical [00:18:57] numbers, 30% of homicides are with knives. [00:19:00] Ah, in reality, what has to do with [00:19:03] quarrels, relationship issues, and everything because what is more... Clear. I mean, [00:19:06] 30% by physical aggressions and the rest by firearms. Oh, so, [00:19:09] it's separated into three, let's say. Yes, basically it's separated into three, but the knife [00:19:13] is, uh, it's an element. It's possibly used a lot for what is [00:19:17] femicide. I mean, in the case of femicide, it's what has the most [00:19:20] inference. It's at hand in [00:19:24] complex, yes, yes, yes. I imagine and I say, and what happens a lot is this, right? [00:19:28] That after committing this atrocious act, uh, many times killing [00:19:32] the woman, in this case he killed, it's an outrage, his little daughter. They [00:19:36] try to take their own lives. That's because how does it work? It happens in [00:19:39] almost all cases, unfortunately the suicide rate is high, the [00:19:43] aggressor, no, he commits the act and then he tries to [00:19:47] self-harm or commit suicide as happened in this case, uh, it happens [00:19:50] because it's a person who is disturbed, who has psychological problems [00:19:54] at that moment and if one, I've been saying for a while that one should look at the [00:19:58] indicators after 2020, we have a confinement and one has [00:20:01] to quantify the damage we had and as a specialist what I see is how [00:20:05] the incidents are increasing, [00:20:07] how the violence is increasing, the type of incident, the typology and [00:20:11] the quantity, so today we see it much more regularly with these [00:20:15] issues, intra-family violence increased by 25%, [00:20:18] statistics show after the pandemic, intra-family [00:20:21] violence, clear, not only of the woman but also [00:20:25] of the man, not only of the man but also of the woman, many [00:20:28] of us have a data point, a very specific data point, last [00:20:31] year there were 316 cases of women [00:20:34] who... cohabited, cohabited among women who attacked the same woman, [00:20:38] meaning they filed a complaint by a woman, it has to do with coexistence, [00:20:42] it has to do with the bonds, mostly [00:20:45] at home. Mostly. Yes, many [00:20:48] with the pandemic they couldn't stand each other. We don't have messages, right? Because to [00:20:52] 11 61 76 56 92 you can [00:20:55] communicate if you think you saw Luciana and tell us where you last [00:20:59] saw her. So the family can also track her down. Uh, the truth is that [00:21:03] many, many neighbors also, well, from [00:21:06] Villa La Angostura, who are [00:21:09] very shocked by the hermeticism that Gonzalo was [00:21:13] commenting on, that there are no precedents in Villa La Angostura of this [00:21:17] style, of this seriousness as well. No, no, tremendous. [00:21:20] The woman escapes through a window, I mean, she escapes [00:21:23] from certain death, she escapes. Yes, yes, yes, she [00:21:27] escapes. There are still uh, conflicting versions [00:21:30] regarding how the woman escapes. I was listening to you closely about [00:21:34] this situation, right? Where a man murders a woman [00:21:38] and then tries to commit suicide. And a [00:21:40] fact, a precedent in Villa La [00:21:44] 2021, in February 20-21 [00:21:47] with a girl. A Guadalupe who, uh, [00:21:51] is murdered by her [00:21:54] ex-partner in the central square of Villa La Angostura in the afternoon [00:21:57] as well. It was really very, very distressing, the whole [00:22:01] incident, and the subject who murdered her finally, uh, [00:22:04] ended up committing suicide. I mean, he inflicted an injury on himself that led him to the [00:22:08] hospital and then he ended up dying in the hospital. Very, [00:22:11] very similar to what you were saying there on the floor, [00:22:15] right? Uh, that's why these people, uh, you [00:22:17] said, on top of that, because one imagines Villa La Angostura, this [00:22:21] happens in a field, the gate, I don't know, you're going to say this [00:22:24] is central, a very touristy place, [00:22:27] besides. This, yes, for those who know Villa La Angostura, [00:22:30] of the neuralgic center of the [00:22:33] locality, this happened last night, it happened about [00:22:36] 250 meters along Route 7 Lakes, which is the one that [00:22:40] goes towards the Seven Lakes Route, no? Yes, what [00:22:44] a wonderful place, that this happens to you in Villa La Angostura, I mean, there are. Photos [00:22:48] also, the covered face drives me crazy. The production, later, I know, the lawyers [00:22:52] will call you, Vero. You see, there's a meeting [00:22:56] because, but I'm telling you, this has to be shown, it has to be shown, [00:22:59] because everything has consequences in life, eh, look at this guy here, it looks [00:23:03] pretty good, luckily. He killed his 3-year-old daughter. What should we do with this [00:23:07] guy? What should we do? I ask you at home, what should we do? [00:23:11] Ariel, what do we do with this? 1 year. [00:23:14] Short with 1 year, but in reality it's not [00:23:18] easy to be detained and serve a [00:23:22] life sentence. A lot, so this, I [00:23:25] and even more so in these types of cases, in the prison population they are the worst [00:23:29] admitted, exactly, so I, I [00:23:32] prefer that they be detained. Uh-huh. That the sentence they live is much [00:23:36] worse. But it's fine, but Vero, they give this [00:23:39] guy 35 years? Yes, of course they give him. He'll be out at [00:23:43] 20 something. [00:23:45] It doesn't apply under emotional violence, no. This [00:23:48] this from 2017 is already in the penal execution law, nothing, he has no [00:23:52] early releases or anything. [00:23:55] Filicide, good. And if we put him away for two years, you know how in the movies [00:23:58] there's that little room, one by one? You can't, human [00:24:02] rights don't say, uh, no, I'm asking, I'm really asking, [00:24:06] it's not ironic, because I also ask why they don't open the prison at the end of the world in [00:24:09] Ushuaia. It was wonderful, they sent everyone there. Don't get mad at me, people from Ushuaia, [00:24:13] eh. To break rocks or to make desks for the kids, because [00:24:17] on top of that, they go to jail and they're doing nothing all day, we have to say it [00:24:20] like that. And if they get a cell phone, they call you to do a virtual [00:24:24] kidnapping. So everything is wrong in Argentina. It's fine, it's fine, but [00:24:27] there are different types of crimes here, Marcela, [00:24:30] this, and there is also a lot of punishment in this [00:24:34] type, no? This this, like those who kill [00:24:38] women, they kill them, they call them a c**t inside, [00:24:41] they catch them with a cucumber, we have seen them, they are [00:24:44] waiting to directly do [00:24:47] everything to them. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Well, well, well, [00:24:50] Gonzalo, this man is in principle hospitalized, [00:24:53] detained, he is hospitalized, as I told you, in San Martín de [00:24:56] los Andes, obviously he is under police custody, [00:25:00] no? That's the situation he's in. You want to get a little angrier, [00:25:04] there's a police guard [00:25:07] guarding him, clear. Well, yes, yes, guarding him. It's fine, actually, [00:25:11] so he doesn't kill himself, [00:25:13] escape, eh. [00:25:16] But is he serious? What do we know? He was in critical condition, if, when [00:25:21] they transfer him from here, from Villa [00:25:24] Transferred to another hospital, whether San Carlos de Bariloche or San Martín de Los [00:25:27] Andes, it's because the local hospital doesn't have the complexity to handle [00:25:31] these types of cases. That is, one understands that they are already in a serious, critical condition to be [00:25:35] transferred. Well, we might be lucky, like [00:25:39] many others, and they die. What a situation for the doctor who has to treat them and [00:25:42] save their life, right? Well, a doctor is a doctor. A doctor is a doctor and they have to be [00:25:46] treated regardless. What a situation for the doctor, just think about it. [00:25:50] Well, he's a doctor. Good, Gonzalo, it's truly a [00:25:53] pleasure, very, very, very precise with your information. [00:25:56] We will surely call you again to delve deeper into [00:26:00] the case. I send you a big hug. One... 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In Brazil, 50 + 1 is needed [00:28:10] at this moment, while production is asking [00:28:13] if there will be a second round. At this moment, [00:28:17] Bolsonaro wins the election in the first [00:28:19] round. So we have to be very [00:28:23] attentive. Although our colleagues Taquique Ortiz and [00:28:27] Eleonora Gozman told us that, of course, they first load some [00:28:30] data and the data from the most populous centers or states are missing, [00:28:33] which means that everything indicates, based on what was [00:28:37] being thought and studied, that the parity will be [00:28:40] absolute. Eh, it is estimated [00:28:43] 45, 44, 46, 44 [00:28:46] for one or the other, depending on who conducted the [00:28:50] survey. But at this moment, with the official [00:28:53] data and almost half of the polling stations counted, many [00:28:57] times they talk about an irreversible trend, right Ariel? [00:29:01] I mean, with 47% of the votes, a 10-point [00:29:04] difference, I don't know, one would tend to think that the trend could be [00:29:08] irreversible. There is an evident trend that must be assumed to be [00:29:11] marked. Obviously, we will have to wait for the rest of the [00:29:14] percentage, which is not insignificant, but [00:29:17] this, with what our colleague Eleonora said earlier at the [00:29:20] beginning of today's program here on Crónica, we must [00:29:24] admit that there may be a hypothesis that leads us in that [00:29:28] direction. Obviously, this would be surprising, [00:29:31] depending on the pincer effect that [00:29:34] Flavio Bolsonaro evidently applied in the election campaign, [00:29:38] which had to do with victimhood, sensitivity, appealing to the [00:29:41] emotions of the [00:29:44] electorate with the issue of his detained father, with the tears he [00:29:47] shed, appearing like David against Goliath in that [00:29:50] aspect. But parallel to the pincer effect, why? Because of the fact [00:29:54] of denying Lula, making the Brazilian feel, [00:29:58] the electorate of the sister country, that perhaps he has already had [00:30:01] enough. Three presidencies, and he was going for the [00:30:05] fourth, an 80-year-old man, what new thing does he have to [00:30:08] show or demonstrate that Lula has not already had the opportunity to [00:30:12] do? This is what was psychologically installed with a [00:30:15] campaign strategy in between, evidently it has been [00:30:19] bringing good results so far, at least for [00:30:22] this right-wing political expression in Brazil. It already happened, right, in the [00:30:26] previous one, remember they had stabbed Jair Bolsonaro, [00:30:29] I don't remember if it was a month.