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[00:00:00] those whose numbers end in four on October 15, those whose numbers end in 5 on the 16th and those whose numbers end in
[00:00:03] six on October 19. This is for Mauro, a social media guy who loves to do the DNI
[00:00:07] dates. 7 on October 20, 8 on the 21st and 9 on the
[00:00:10] 22nd. Well, very good, ah yes, non-contributory because
[00:00:14] otherwise they won't get paid. Listen, they are waiting for the holiday to pass to go
[00:00:18] to the bank, 4 and 5 on October 13, 6 and 7 on the
[00:00:22] 14th and 8 and 9 on the 15th, beware of non-contributory pensions, they are being collected in the middle of the
[00:00:25] month, of course, later and later, well, there are also those who exceed the minimum and want to
[00:00:29] collect.
[00:00:55] home and so far,
[00:01:00] take directly, well, I like the benefits would be
[00:01:02] e
[00:01:05] until 65 you cannot have any retirement benefit to start receiving the
[00:01:08] benefit unless you are a woman, if you are
[00:01:11] a woman, you should be attentive because there are several things to do. When
[00:01:15] you do them before 60, you have a lot because you can cancel
[00:01:19] monotributo that you owe, you can buy a moratorium, you can prepare the folder
[00:01:22] to make you collect much more retirement and if
[00:01:26] not, obviously, you have to wait until you are 65 to collect a
[00:01:29] PUAM. which the PUAM is not compatible with the pension, so there are many
[00:01:32] women who are left without the benefit, that's why the importance if you are
[00:01:36] 60 years old or younger,
[00:01:39] yes, also make retirement buy the moratorium for the years you are missing,
[00:01:43] many times they go alone to ANSES, they tell me yes it's easy they go at 60 they don't retire them,
[00:01:47] they go earlier and there are different moratoria, sometimes they give you one that is more expensive or they tell you that
[00:01:51] another one cannot be used or maybe you have a
[00:01:53] odd job, do you monotributo that is cheaper and they don't know because a accountant has to do it and
[00:01:56] you end up paying more or not doing the procedure or losing the opportunity, so make
[00:02:00] the consultation to have it right, look Robertito de Avellaneda says
[00:02:04] eh, I am 64 years old and have few contributions, what
[00:02:07] can I do to retire, says Robert, first pray, Robert,
[00:02:10] start, Malena
[00:02:14] food, that is, they charged me for everything pray, pray Roberto, pray, what
[00:02:17] Chinese supermarket and they didn't pay you with happens with 64 years is a good time, you don't have to pray
[00:02:19] that much, you don't have to pray that much because there are current moratoria, so you will be
[00:02:23] able to do them, before there was a moratorium that you couldn't use due to the socioeconomic
[00:02:27] and now it's the other way around, whoever it is. whatever
[00:02:31] you do, if not, look wait, you will be able to buy
[00:02:34] the moratorium, of course,
[00:02:37] review of well, of course, give us messages and get us out of this mess, come on,
[00:02:39] we keep having, here Olga is writing to us for example, who tells us the
[00:02:43] following, how are you, I have been a widow for 8 years and I was married,
[00:02:47] I had a mother of five children,
[00:02:49] some wounds or can I collect the pension, well, the
[00:02:52] pension for a mother of seven children no because you would be missing two, I don't know how old you are, adopting is double for each
[00:02:55] child, keep that in mind, eh but...
[00:03:00] yes, your husband's pension, if he passed away 8 years ago, when they come to
[00:03:04] see me and the husband passed away so long ago, surely there is some
[00:03:06] complication, that's why she didn't do it before, a woman after
[00:03:10] of course, it could also be that they separated, they didn't divorce and
[00:03:14] in the middle another woman who is perhaps fighting, sometimes
[00:03:18] both come, it has happened to me that the counterparts come to
[00:03:21] look for me at the studio, one comes to ask me and another one comes, it has
[00:03:25] happened to me in many and many cases of different kinds, yes
[00:03:28] and this but...
[00:03:31] Let's see, let's see if we can do it, well, what does it say here, let's see, Elena from La Matanza, I am 65
[00:03:35] years old and my son helps me make ends meet, can I apply for
[00:03:38] the PUAM, well, yes you can apply for it, Elena, tell
[00:03:42] us if you are Argentine, because this also, you know that when you work a lot on something,
[00:03:46] you know all the quirks, if Elena did not apply for the pension before, the PUAM is
[00:03:50] that something happens if she did not apply for retirement, maybe she is a foreigner
[00:03:54] Diego Fernández, who is the prosecutor intervening in and although foreigners can apply for the PUAM benefit, they have to have been in the
[00:03:57] country for the last 20 years and also you have to do an immigration process that is
[00:04:01] quite complicated,
[00:04:03] so at the studio we will help you do it so that it comes out
[00:04:07] favorably and you can finally, if you are a foreigner, collect the PUAM, well
[00:04:10] @nataliaponsleon1 113906 1511
[00:04:14] @jubilatenvivo and this on Facebook
[00:04:17] natalia.ponceleón.58
[00:04:22] has all the social networks, listen, here we have María who writes to us, hello doctor,
[00:04:26] well, hello doctor, today the doctor,
[00:04:28] well. I am a widow's pensioner, my husband also
[00:04:32] had more than 30 years of work, he collected the minimum, how do I stay
[00:04:35] to be able to do if I am entitled to more than the minimum, doctor, repeat
[00:04:38] the phone, Ángel also manages it, I don't think they see me so manly,
[00:04:42] vean tan hombre, no
[00:04:45] we have to run and also leave aside I don't chat with Ángel
[00:04:48] sometimes they put Leon, answer me, well I'm going to
[00:04:51] answer you, tell me what you want, I'll answer you anyway, eh the
[00:04:54] readjustments can always be made but
[00:04:57] well, that's why they tend it is basic that a calculation must be made before starting the lawsuit. for
[00:05:00] this, you have to see the last years of contributions if it's really worth it, the system
[00:05:03] will tell us and you realize when there was a good contribution,
[00:05:07] that is, if you had monotributo or autonomous, it
[00:05:11] doesn't work or moratorium but... yes, if you had a dependent relationship, well, Martita de
[00:05:14] Berazategui says, my husband passed away, oh, when
[00:05:17] he was still working, can I collect a pension, says
[00:05:20] Martu, well Marta, here what you have to take into account is if he was
[00:05:24] not working, a lot of undeclared work and many times they die without
[00:05:28] working formally and they can't do it, and if for example they don't have the complete contributions
[00:05:31] for 30 years, what happens, nothing happens, because it could be that he died at 40,
[00:05:35] at 50, at 25, that does not directly govern the number of
[00:05:39] contributions but that you are contributing no and according
[00:05:42] to the time specifically to be able to make a pension you have to have the last year and
[00:05:46] a half of contribution, but I'm going to say something very important besides that you have to make the pension
[00:05:50] that when they are working formally they have to collect the compensation and many times
[00:05:53] they don't know it, the worker dies and they go directly
[00:05:56] to make the pension, they have an insurance, they have the mandatory
[00:05:59] compensation, there is also an insurance in the bank for retirees that yesterday they
[00:06:03] also called me for that case that the money stays inside and many times they don't want to
[00:06:07] pay it and they have to make a declaration of heirs, but the issue of insurance
[00:06:10] obligatorily has to be to... the wife, well, there comes
[00:06:14] another line, because this doesn't end here, when they come to do a procedure,
[00:06:18] there is always more, the insurance is almost always collected by the wife or the
[00:06:22] child, but if you don't have it, he can leave it in the name of another person, you
[00:06:25] can put whoever you want, exactly, you can put a beneficiary, if you don't have it, it will be the
[00:06:29] children, the wife or the spouse there begin the problems, oh well
[00:06:33] message, come on, here we have another one, it says, hello doctor, I
[00:06:37] got a negative response to my claim for review of
[00:06:39] assets, the lawsuit continues, I have 27 years of collecting
[00:06:43] the minimum, 82% is active, of course, the thing is that another thing
[00:06:47] is that they go alone to file the readjustment lawsuit because you claim and you
[00:06:51] can go to ANSES and in fact it is an administrative act that exhausts the administrative route before
[00:06:54] initiating the judicial one, so you go to ANSES to request the readjustment by note
[00:06:58] ANSES denies it but then that denial note is what enables
[00:07:02] the lawsuit so you have to move forward, well, what do we have
[00:07:05] here, Roberto from San Miguel de
[00:07:08] Tucumán says, I have a question, yes, it's
[00:07:11] very complicated, from Monday to Friday we go more or less well, on Saturdays
[00:07:15] we arrive in a mess, Roberto from San Miguel de Tucumán, I have a question for the
[00:07:19] doctor, can I work and collect a non-contributory
[00:07:21] pension, can they take it away from me if I work? What a good question, Roberto, because
[00:07:25] everything was complicated and you came to complicate our afternoon even more,
[00:07:28] Roberto, that's how Robertos are, well, let's change the
[00:07:30] answer a bit.
[00:07:34] According to current law, yes, but they want to pass a law so that you cannot
[00:07:38] have a job and a non-contributory pension, so be careful with the jobs you take
[00:07:41] especially. Let's think that a person with a non-contributory pension who starts working formally is laid off
[00:07:45] after three months and it takes 2 years to get the non-contributory pension
[00:07:48] afterwards, so you have to send an email saying that you have a formal job
[00:07:52] so that they suspend it and then activate it, not cancel it,
[00:07:55] well, there's one last question, Caro, let's go, Carito,
[00:07:59] let's go, we have one last one here, let's go
[00:08:02] eh we give everything today, how are you, my husband passed away 9 months ago
[00:08:06] and has 19 years of contributions, how can
[00:08:09] I do to collect the pension, he was 57 years old,
[00:08:13] well, there it is what we were saying, light incense
[00:08:15] guys
[00:08:19] I ask for water
[00:08:20] bless us
[00:08:23] from bad vibes and I tell you that you will be able to make the pension
[00:08:27] at 57 years old, the only thing we ask is that you have a year and a half of
[00:08:30] contributions because otherwise he left you in a bind, you know that being alone is not easy, especially
[00:08:34] if you have children, they need the monthly money from that salary, the
[00:08:38] salary or the monthly family allowance and especially also health
[00:08:42] insurance, so if they pass, they will have PUAM, it's important to see the number of years of contributions, if it corresponds and has
[00:08:46] the regularity, we will initiate the pension and with that also, as
[00:08:49] we said before, claim from the company the compensation for death, the
[00:08:53] insurance and open the succession if they need the declaration of heirs, Nati,
[00:08:57] rest this weekend, oh I think, I hope, let's go Nati
[00:09:00] with faith, thanks for coming Nati, thanks,
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[00:10:00] last
[00:10:10] minute, loans, debts and threats.
[00:10:15] The drama of the victims of the loan shark
[00:10:18] mafia,
[00:10:23] the victim said the loan sharks are threatening me with
[00:10:26] death,
[00:10:34] well, this is how loan sharks act, they go
[00:10:38] to your house, on motorcycles, armed, some with helmets,
[00:10:41] others don't care about anything at all, they pressure you,
[00:10:44] they go and threaten you with death, you, your family, your children
[00:10:48] and you fall into panic, in fear, no, and you start to
[00:10:51] despair because there is no money to pay that debt that... that
[00:10:55] you caused at some point because you were desperate, they fired you, you lost your job,
[00:10:58] there are no odd jobs, you had to pay for the service, feed your kids and you went to the
[00:11:02] loan shark, that neighborhood one that many identify as Colombian, who
[00:11:06] say they are the worst, come on Jorge, exactly, we are talking about those who pressure you, those
[00:11:09] who threaten you, but also those who break your legs, because that's what they
[00:11:13] are called, leg breakers, they are the loan sharks who when you are late
[00:11:17] in payment go directly to cause you harm, an injury to your health, not
[00:11:20] death because what they want to achieve is to end up collecting it, well this
[00:11:24] mafia. is distributed, not only in the province of Buenos Aires,
[00:11:28] but throughout the national territory, carries out this modus operandi with these
[00:11:31] microloans with usurious interest rates, which
[00:11:35] well, they already border on illegality, criminality,
[00:11:39] because we are talking about that for a loan of at least 500
[00:11:42] pesos you have to return between 200 and 300,000 pesos at
[00:11:46] least per month, a madness, but well, this is what is happening
[00:11:50] lately, several families, several people are trapped
[00:11:53] in... many of them have also already been injured
[00:11:57] with different types of aggressions and some
[00:12:00] well, they even provoked threats which forced them to
[00:12:03] abandon their homes or leave some neighborhoods or some localities due to
[00:12:07] the fear caused by these organized gangs, in many
[00:12:11] opportunities the threats end up being carried out, it must
[00:12:14] also be said that, do you remember the north of the
[00:12:17] country, Misiones where
[00:12:20] they carried out a shootout directly
[00:12:23] with whom... those people would be the ones who had
[00:12:27] lent them money, not caring about anything
[00:12:31] at all, killing in front of the cameras without even
[00:12:34] covering their faces, I don't want to forget something, because today
[00:12:38] Jimena told us, this girl who was with Rodón Morel, now let's go with
[00:12:41] Brian, who had tried to commit suicide twice,
[00:12:45] there are many elderly people in Argentina who, due to having
[00:12:48] debts and not being able to face them, end up taking their own lives, also
[00:12:52] many people who commit suicide. precisely because they do not find
[00:12:56] the way out under pressure, even some who belong
[00:13:00] to the armed forces, which is happening
[00:13:03] a lot, Brian, let's go back to you and your
[00:13:07] story,
[00:13:09] we talk about threats, how are the threats, in what way,
[00:13:13] how many people threaten you, do they do it by
[00:13:16] whatsapp, in what way, yes, by
[00:13:19] whatsapp that directly
[00:13:22] at some point it won't matter
[00:13:26] anymore and that well, they will come to
[00:13:30] hurt me and well, I tell them
[00:13:33] that I'm going to try to gather the money
[00:13:36] and it's like they ease up a bit but then
[00:13:40] the days come when I have to pay and no, you pay
[00:13:43] per day, you pay per week, oh, you were paying per week,
[00:13:47] per week you were paying per week and the first loan was 500,000 and they
[00:13:50] forced you to pay a million the next month, double, no
[00:13:54] this. you didn't manage to cover absolutely anything, no, no, because I ran out of
[00:13:58] work, good, and beyond all that, when,
[00:14:01] when do you start to ask for the first
[00:14:05] loan, what is it when you have to buy food, when you have to pay
[00:14:08] services, when at what moment, at the end of
[00:14:12] last year, at the end of last year, at the beginning
[00:14:15] of this year I ran out of work, that is, at the end of
[00:14:19] last year you start asking for loans, but
[00:14:22] you still more or less managed
[00:14:27] with the issue of work, yes, until it reached a point where I couldn't, I couldn't,
[00:14:31] I couldn't, you talked about threats at the door of the house, they go
[00:14:35] to the door of the house like that, José, the loan sharks
[00:14:38] showed up, death threats, we're going to kill you, your family, in
[00:14:42] this image is what I was telling you, no, a kiosk owner, a neighbor, they get off the
[00:14:45] armed motorcycle and they say exactly the same thing, did
[00:14:49] this happen to you, that they go to your
[00:14:51] house, uh, yes, besides...
[00:14:55] yes, yes, yes, you have the whatsapp messages here, I know that
[00:14:59] you just told me, I don't want to show it, anyway they are identifying you, today you are showing your
[00:15:02] face, it's a desperate moment in your life, but to understand
[00:15:06] what the messages are, right, yes, yes, yes,
[00:15:09] yes,
[00:15:12] meaning that well, that they currently have mercy,
[00:15:15] well, because of my children, as I just told you, both
[00:15:19] have disabilities and
[00:15:22] to not
[00:15:26] continue, that is, not to hurt me, in a
[00:15:29] word, do you think these individuals will
[00:15:32] at some point carry out something,
[00:15:36] yes, that's my.
[00:15:39] That's what led you to come here to the door of Crónica so
[00:15:42] desperate,
[00:15:47] we just had an alias, I don't know if there's a way to repeat it
[00:15:51] and also you have the possibility
[00:15:54] to see if anyone helped you a bit Brian
[00:15:58] if you, yes I just saw it in Mercadopago and
[00:16:02] I saw transfers that they sent
[00:16:05] me, well.
[00:16:07] uh, I can't see it from here if
[00:16:11] if
[00:16:14] Brian.592 dot
[00:16:17] Tayel as it sounds, you are seeing it on
[00:16:21] screen then you, oh, it's
[00:16:23] Brian.592.Tayel
[00:16:26] Brian.592.Tayel
[00:16:29] uh, when so many people come here to the
[00:16:33] Crónica door, the same must happen to the black guy too because we are
[00:16:37] continuously passing some
[00:16:41] data, the phone number and
[00:16:44] the cases of the people who come here to Crónica, we end up
[00:16:48] realizing that it's impossible to help absolutely everyone, and
[00:16:52] I ask you this Tayel, because we also mentioned, well, this is a
[00:16:55] kind of patch, a band-aid for the situation you are
[00:16:59] experiencing, uh, did they write to you for
[00:17:02] work, did someone tell you something,
[00:17:06] for the moment no. they called
[00:17:10] me but
[00:17:14] uh, I couldn't coincide with the timing of
[00:17:17] the schedules and when I wanted to go back the
[00:17:21] position was already filled and well, that's
[00:17:24] why, but doing odd jobs, whatever comes up,
[00:17:27] when was the last time you had an
[00:17:31] remember or not? Last week, what did you do? Uh, I went
[00:17:34] to a Chinese supermarket. I was
[00:17:38] working and
[00:17:42] during the days they offered me that the
[00:17:45] food was there, that I could eat but when the
[00:17:48] week came they charged me for the
[00:17:51] you're saying, that you went to work at a
[00:17:54] cash, they paid me but at the same time they
[00:17:58] charged me for what I consumed in the business, of course, no,
[00:18:02] that's fine, that's fine, that is, I didn't think they paid him with food, they
[00:18:05] gave him cash and also
[00:18:08] well, that's fine, if it wasn't part of an agreement, they will deduct it if it's not part of the agreement
[00:18:12] logically, uh, and how long were you working there, uh, there
[00:18:16] I was two weeks, two weeks
[00:18:19] working, uh, how many neighbors in your neighborhood are in the same situation as you,
[00:18:23] Brian, who went to loan sharks, many, many,
[00:18:26] many,
[00:18:28] what do they tell you or what do they say about this situation,
[00:18:32] I imagine that if they are neighbors, they tell and talk that they are in the same
[00:18:36] situation that
[00:18:40] well, you finished paying one and
[00:18:44] you meet another and that
[00:18:47] one also makes loans, that's how they make chains and chains,
[00:18:50] did you get into any through social networks because it's
[00:18:52] very fashionable to go into those social
[00:18:56] network publications that say they are the worst, Jorge says they are the worst where
[00:19:00] there are Colombians, the much feared Colombians,
[00:19:03] not through social networks, they deceive you, they scam you, there are no
[00:19:07] bank transfers, they are all the most violent, they are the most
[00:19:10] violent, the leg breakers, they say the leg breakers, they are the most
[00:19:13] violent, they threaten, they also make many
[00:19:17] gunshots at the fronts of properties, which means that many
[00:19:20] families have to move from the neighborhood or leave the locality of the
[00:19:24] area, why? Because they can no longer face the payment of the debt nor
[00:19:27] tolerate the threats and aggressions they receive from that
[00:19:31] organized gang, do you have any help, you said you had two children
[00:19:34] who had disabilities.
[00:19:37] do they collect a pension or anything? The
[00:19:39] salary, but they also pay bills,
[00:19:43] food, uh, their things
[00:19:47] too, how old are your kids, do they need any
[00:19:51] kind of treatment? The oldest is 13,
[00:19:54] and the middle one is eight and the youngest
[00:19:58] is three years old, you have three children,
[00:20:01] yes,
[00:20:05] um, I don't know if... you have the possibility to see
[00:20:09] also the issue of the application, help from
[00:20:12] people, people many times
[00:20:15] try not to get confused, not to make mistakes, there is an alias on the
[00:20:19] screen, try to give a hand and
[00:20:22] accompany this obviously
[00:20:25] solidarity action, as in so many opportunities
[00:20:28] people
[00:20:30] nothing, I guess
[00:20:33] sympathizing with everything we show in Crónica and
[00:20:36] with difficult situations to lend a hand, I don't know if you have the possibility
[00:20:40] to show it,
[00:20:42] yes to
[00:20:45] see, excuse me, eh, I'm going to step
[00:20:49] aside. Turn it around, maybe there's a way for us to
[00:20:53] well, uh
[00:20:55] 250
[00:20:58] did you have something Brian, 97 pesos, 97
[00:21:01] pesos uh there are
[00:21:05] 257
[00:21:07] pesos according to what I can see there in the
[00:21:10] alias when you can because obviously I don't want to be
[00:21:14] manipulating the phone, you received the threats, you have
[00:21:17] them
[00:21:19] there, uh, read me one of the threats, read it to me, read me one of the
[00:21:23] threats, Brian, we won't show it, but read me one so people understand the
[00:21:27] degree of the threats, please, for today I want the
[00:21:30] money, uh, for today I want the money, for today I want
[00:21:33] the money, well, it's a message, right, this
[00:21:37] which is very common, uh,
[00:21:40] let's hope that it can be resolved, Brian,
[00:21:43] uh, we try to help people, it's a very difficult, complicated
[00:21:46] time for the country, but well, uh, these are stories that repeat
[00:21:50] themselves. Unfortunately, Brian, we want to thank you for coming, come on, thank you very much
[00:21:53] to you, eh, last minute,
[00:21:55] come on,
[00:22:01] last minute,
[00:22:13] savage murder in
[00:22:15] Córdoba,
[00:22:19] he killed him. he stabbed him once in the
[00:22:22] chest,
[00:22:26] woman was
[00:22:27] arrested,
[00:22:35] well, 8 minutes left until 4 in the afternoon, the run is coming, meanwhile
[00:22:39] Jorge tells you this, exactly, this happened yesterday
[00:22:43] at 6 p.m. in Alta Gracia, province of
[00:22:46] Córdoba, this couple was at home, they were at home at 6 p.m.
[00:22:57] a discussion arose which several neighbors heard from a distance, a very, very strong discussion, a discussion that ended with an act of violence in which a woman Estefanía uh
[00:23:01] Bower, sorry Estefanía
[00:23:04] Castelli, she stabbed her partner, the
[00:23:07] person she lived with, who was identified as Ángel, a couple of
[00:23:11] 32 years old, this woman is currently detained, she is
[00:23:15] in the prison unit
[00:23:19] of Bower. unit for women, of course, and she is
[00:23:22] subjected, well, she is accused of aggravated
[00:23:25] homicide due to the bond, well, there were previous complaints,
[00:23:29] eh, there was a situation of violence, there were previous complaints, the neighbors,
[00:23:33] eh, well, they stated in testimony that they gave the police when they had the primary
[00:23:36] intervention that there were acts of violence inside the property, that screams,
[00:23:40] fights, discussions were always heard, but well, the strong trigger was
[00:23:44] yesterday in the evening around 6 p.m.,
[00:23:48] this very strong fight. it was heard from a distance, which had a
[00:23:52] trigger, this woman inflicted a deep wound in the
[00:23:55] chest with a knife
[00:23:59] on this man and he lost his life almost instantly, this
[00:24:02] happened inside the home, well, a call to 911, the Córdoba
[00:24:06] police intervened, once they entered, they found the bloody scene inside the
[00:24:10] property, this woman with the knife and the man lying on the floor with a serious
[00:24:14] injury, now we are
[00:24:17] seeing, obviously, part of the operation that was also carried out.
[00:24:21] Well, based on this, I wonder if there is no
[00:24:24] black, any type of alert when the
[00:24:27] violence is against a man, in many
[00:24:30] opportunities, eh, they don't take these complaints
[00:24:33] seriously, in many opportunities what ends up happening
[00:24:37] is that they even make fun of the other to say that unfortunately
[00:24:40] is a victim of a situation of violence, in fact it's true, many
[00:24:44] men don't report it due to feeling
[00:24:47] ashamed of being beaten by their own
[00:24:50] partner, by their own wife, eh, and some
[00:24:53] cases end up, they are the minority, but they end up this way, Jorge, what do the
[00:24:57] neighbors say, because eh, oh
[00:25:00] Luis, look, I think what
[00:25:03] the neighbors say is what is ingrained in popular
[00:25:06] culture, which is a bit of what Abelia said, I agree 100%, the
[00:25:10] man feels, carries a complex of feeling
[00:25:14] diminished when he reports
[00:25:17] abuses or different cruelties. That is, different
[00:25:20] misconducts of his spouse, of a female staff member,
[00:25:24] let's say who is with him, and unfortunately the
[00:25:28] inhibitory brakes go, passion appears, tempers flare up and
[00:25:31] we have this sad result, yes,
[00:25:35] the fact that a woman cannot be
[00:25:37] violent,
[00:25:39] the issue is why do we question that on the other side the man has to
[00:25:43] be infected by that violence that the woman carries out,
[00:25:47] I ask, I don't know if you have the data, Jorge, eh,
[00:25:50] were the attacks of this
[00:25:53] woman towards her boyfriend repetitive? Look, the violence was mutual at the
[00:25:57] home, although there is no formal complaint, what
[00:26:01] does emerge in the investigation is that there are many
[00:26:04] calls to 911, which means that
[00:26:07] the neighbors eh observed, heard
[00:26:11] this situation of violence in this couple inside what would be
[00:26:14] the house and called 911 and they came, but they did not
[00:26:17] formalize any complaint neither she towards him
[00:26:21] nor he towards her, it must be remembered that the wound was serious
[00:26:25] in the torso, he falls unconscious in a puddle of blood of
[00:26:28] consideration when the police personnel arrive and ask for help
[00:26:32] from the emergency medical unit, the doctor arrives,
[00:26:35] the doctor arrives, performs resuscitation tasks, but it was
[00:26:39] not possible to revive him and he ends up losing his life inside
[00:26:42] his home, it must be remembered that she used a knife, a kitchen
[00:26:46] knife, a bladed weapon, which caused a serious wound
[00:26:49] in the left side of the chest, we are talking about near
[00:26:53] the heart, so well, he dies from bleeding in his own
[00:26:57] so far, because it is not ruled out that some
[00:27:01] old complaint may arise. There are only
[00:27:04] calls to 911 in which the police personnel were dispatched
[00:27:08] and intervened in cases of mutual violence complaints, ah
[00:27:12] mutual, mutual between them fights, we are talking about fights,
[00:27:15] shouts, eh, the possibility that she
[00:27:19] defended herself is ruled out, I am not, I am not
[00:27:22] defending or justifying anything, the
[00:27:26] justice will interpret it, but the successful, super successful, what
[00:27:29] do I say super successful, attack by her partner is ruled out, this
[00:27:33] of mutual attacks that you are mentioning, nothing is ruled out
[00:27:36] because everything is under investigation, although the woman is initially detained, it is not ruled out that
[00:27:40] there may have been a legitimate self-defense in the background as a result
[00:27:43] of aggressions that this woman had been suffering, so the
[00:27:47] issue of the autopsy operation that is being carried out at this moment will be
[00:27:51] important, a psychological autopsy will be important for both the victim
[00:27:55] and the accused and the family and
[00:27:58] social environment to see what happened at the time, in the moments prior to
[00:28:02] this happening. Anyway, I repeat, the issue of the
[00:28:05] different deployments that were made by the Córdoba
[00:28:08] police to that address as a result of the neighbor's call will give
[00:28:12] an indication that there was a situation of violence, what we do not have
[00:28:15] absolute certainty of is whether it is mutual violence or
[00:28:19] violence from her towards him or from him towards her and one of the parties
[00:28:23] defended themselves giving this worst of
[00:28:26] endings
[00:28:28] within the investigation, the first thing they
[00:28:32] should carry out, or at least they always do it that
[00:28:36] way, is a
[00:28:39] the woman and obviously of the man, if the only thing he has is
[00:28:43] the injury that ended up being fatal
[00:28:47] if perhaps for example the woman has
[00:28:52] bruises, well this can be
[00:28:55] important if she has badly healed fractures
[00:28:59] why, on what date, in what way. All
[00:29:02] these criminalistic
[00:29:04] studies that will be done on the perpetrator in this
[00:29:08] case will be extremely important
[00:29:11] well Luis thank you for coming it's a pleasure to have you every
[00:29:14] Saturday eh give me more information Jorge because
[00:29:18] always in these cases I insist a lot is known, a lot is
[00:29:22] known, yes Nero when the neighbors
[00:29:25] speak, I don't know if the families because they would be intertwined stories
[00:29:28] from one side or the other, if it's how
[00:29:31] indicates... even if they are versions, the families, even if they are
[00:29:34] versions, could give an account of what was happening inside, but they would give versions
[00:29:38] defending that direct relative from both sides, but
[00:29:42] the neighborhood neighbor is the one who truly tells what happens, precisely, the
[00:29:46] one who hears the screams, the one who saw the beatings, the
[00:29:49] threats, the police arriving at the scene, much more Jorge, come on, I
[00:29:53] think the doctor is there, Doctor
[00:29:57] the case, what he has already ruled is to carry out a
[00:30:00] reconstruction of the facts, but what... to do with the expert reports in hand, we are talking
[00:30:04] about the expert reports by the forensic police and the
[00:30:08] autopsy operation that will give exactly how the mechanics of the aggression
[00:30:11] or the defense of this person was and consequently the death of the
[00:30:15] victim, well very good Jorgito, thank you, a pleasure and a
[00:30:18] delight, eh, we are leaving, here comes the runrun, here they come, here comes the
[00:30:22] successful couple, what do I say
[00:30:25] ultra, ultra
[00:30:27] successful, the best program on Argentine
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