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[00:00:14] are facing the advent of a climatic phenomenon which
[00:00:17] is El Niño, the Super Niño
[00:00:19] that predicts a lot of rain,
[00:00:22] wind, humidity, water, overcast skies,
[00:00:26] I hope that doesn't severely affect the season because
[00:00:30] I don't know if Argentinians, Argentinians who are thinking of summering
[00:00:34] will go anyway even if the weather doesn't
[00:00:46] at the beginning of El Niño? They are very cloudy, very
[00:00:51] And imagine that this will affect all of
[00:01:09] there and find me testimonials from the people of Mar del Plata, the people
[00:01:13] from the provinces who decided to take a little getaway this weekend. We'll be
[00:01:16] back with you because we have our mobile units all over the place, stationed at different
[00:01:20] neuralgic points to tell you how the economy
[00:02:17] the,
[00:02:19] we are very close to one of the, no, no, no.
[00:02:23] We are in the square, in the promenade, in the Recoleta promenade square, very close to a
[00:02:26] shopping mall, we were checking.
[00:03:05] here? The prices compared to
[00:03:08] France, yes, from France it's cheaper.
[00:03:12] Cheaper, yes, it's cheaper.
[00:03:14] And he doesn't know, he doesn't know anymore. How did you
[00:03:18] see the prices? Yes, I think it's cheaper
[00:03:21] to than living in Paris. Prices in Paris are very
[00:03:25] high compared to the rest of France, but if
[00:03:29] yes. Good. And through which sectors I think... for the food, for example,
[00:03:32] it's cheaper than in Paris. Ask him if they like President
[00:03:35] Milei, if they like, know anything about the
[00:03:39] president. About the president, President
[00:03:43] Milei, Milei. Do you have any idea
[00:03:45] about anything? No, they don't. I
[00:03:48] don't know the idea, politics,
[00:05:12] to enter the restaurant, how nice. Look, talk to the girls. Let's
[00:05:16] ask the ladies how much they plan
[00:05:44] Exactly, no, she she knows more than me, still
[00:05:48] no. No, what can I say?
[00:06:09] neighborhood. Well,
[00:06:12] consumption here in the neighborhood.
[00:06:15] movement? Well, I don't see anything out of the
[00:06:19] ordinary. Many tourists this
[00:06:53] are you spending? How much are you
[00:06:55] spending?
[00:06:57] Uh, in what? What are you referring to? These days you came because we are
[00:07:01] asking about the economy, about expenses, about prices. And
[00:07:05] look, I consider them, you know, they are
[00:07:08] really bad, you know? We are having a very bad economy.
[00:07:12] There is no money on the
[00:07:15] street. How much did you spend to come
[00:07:19] exactly? And look, in the
[00:07:22] day, we have spent about 100,000
[00:07:26] pesos. How many are you? How many? Two, it's the two of us. And what
[00:07:29] did you do? 50 at noon, 50 at night, all day like
[00:08:44] fair was packed with people for the celiac event. Corrientes Street
[00:08:48] is, Corrientes Street
[00:08:51] is glittering. Theaters are full. And I just heard you say
[00:08:55] there's no money on the street. I'm asking you to understand, uh, it's not a
[00:08:58] contradiction, because I'm saying you're there, I see other people queuing to enter
[00:09:02] a
[00:09:05] it's better to say that in
[00:09:09] Catamarca, there's no money on the street in Catamarca. Catamarca
[00:09:13] is bad, the economy is bad.
[00:09:16] Clearly, how do you see tell me that, how is the labor
[00:09:19] situation of the worker day to day there in Catamarca?
[00:09:23] Very poor, very poor. The mining companies are
[00:09:26] exploiting and you don't see
[00:09:30] money.
[00:09:33] No, you don't see a penny. Okay,
[00:09:36] okay. Let's see, Martincito, explain that reality to me, because the
[00:09:40] reality that everyone sees is undeniable.
[00:09:53] says very interesting because when one,
[00:09:57] when one, the closer one gets,
[00:10:01] one starts to ask questions, one starts to find these life stories, right?
[00:10:04] So mining is booming, meaning the mining sector is doing very
[00:10:08] well. I would like her to tell us a little about what her family does.
[00:10:12] What are you doing, my love? It's good. What's your name?
[00:10:15] What's your name? I didn't ask you. My name is
[00:10:18] Monica, Moni. Listen, and what do you do for work there, what do you do in
[00:10:22] Catamarca? Tell us that. Uh,
[00:10:25] I sell lingerie, I sell lingerie, for men and
[00:10:28] women. Yes, yes, yes. Wow, how nice, for men and
[00:10:31] women. And do you have a store or do you do it online,
[00:10:33] Moni? No, no, no, I do it online.
[00:10:37] Today everything is, today everything is online. What you say is true. And how
[00:10:41] long have you been with this venture? How many
[00:10:43] years?
[00:10:45] Quite a while, quite a while. 10 years or more. I dedicate myself to
[00:10:49] gastronomy, I dedicate myself to gastronomy and
[00:10:52] well, you know, to earn an extra peso.
[00:10:55] Yes, yes. And what, and what do you feel is more stalled there in
[00:10:58] Catamarca, the gastronomic sector or the
[00:11:01] lingerie sector? Which one is a little more lagging? Tourism,
[00:11:05] tourism. Tourism is not well exploited. You can't
[00:11:08] understand that at 10 at night there is no
[00:11:10] bus.
[00:11:13] Clearly, there's a structural issue there, right? That's interesting what he says,
[00:11:16] no? It's a public service, it's a public
[00:11:20] service that should have, that should have, obviously.
[00:11:23] Yes, yes, besides.
[00:11:30] it's such a beautiful province, there are so many things. Tomorrow, she's right. What are you saying, Moni? No, we have the richest country, we have the richest country in the
[00:11:34] world. Yes, yes. You understand? What happens is that
[00:11:38] she can believe. Retired, listen to me.
[00:11:41] We had governments for entire decades that didn't do
[00:11:45] infrastructure works, that didn't exploit the country touristically, and that stole
[00:11:49] everything. Unfinished roads, onerous
[00:11:52] contracts, money we don't know where it went. I'm just
[00:11:56] mentioning some of the Kirchnerite causes, uh, this is a
[00:11:59] consequence of theft, because this is
[00:12:02] a consequence of the systematic and
[00:12:05] methodical theft that we have had for many decades.
[00:12:08] You see, this is not exclusive to now. What do you think? Every year,
[00:12:12] every year, every year Peronists were
[00:12:15] delinquents, what do you want me to
[00:12:29] guys. Well, it finally happened. Yes, the prison ceased to exist.
[00:12:32] Do you live nearby in Urquiza? No, I'm from Urquiza, but I
[00:12:36] worked quite a lot on that project. Seriously?
[00:12:47] 2018, an agreement was started between the nation and the
[00:12:50] city of Buenos Aires to build the Marcos
[00:12:52] prison in Marcos Paz and definitively
[00:12:56] close the Devoto prison. That was stopped at one point,
[00:12:59] it was stopped, and then well,
[00:13:03] we were able to, with Minister Burrich, with Minister Alejandra
[00:13:07] Monteoliva, we were able to start
[00:13:09] that work again that the city is doing, the
[00:13:13] nation pays for it, but there is an agreement between both
[00:13:16] governments and the other day the reception of the prison was
[00:13:19] signed by the federal prison
[00:13:22] service, where Julián is.
[00:13:25] What will be built on that land? Well, that has to be
[00:13:28] sold. It is sold and with the sale of the
[00:13:32] land of Devoto, the
[00:13:34] last part of the work at Marcos Paz is paid for. So that
[00:13:38] money is given to the city. Let's watch this
[00:13:41] video, this video of the transfer of the prisoners from Devoto
[00:13:46] the Marcos Paz prison. Look.
[00:13:50] doing things here, they're taking out Cheto. Cheto is driving.
[00:13:53] manejando el Cheto.
[00:14:25] the cars in the surroundings don't expect it to be a
[00:14:28] plaza building, it's going to be a mess, they're going to leave it
[00:14:32] like they left the Caseros prison abandoned.
[00:14:35] Well,
[00:14:37] it's unlikely they'll be able to reinsert themselves
[00:14:41] or adapt.
[00:14:44] No, sorry, they are bad people, it's unlikely the comment he just
[00:14:47] made. This is a video sent to us exclusively, and these are exclusive images
[00:14:51] from Crónica. Well, a bit of the anger, how they were there, like,
[00:14:55] huffing and puffing, getting angry at the government that supposedly,
[00:14:58] sorry, has all the abandoned prisons.
[00:15:02] I mean, it's unlikely that a person with that
[00:15:05] homemade weapon and that attitude can be re-socialized. I mean,
[00:15:09] it's a serious problem, seriously, sorry. I mean, the images we
[00:15:13] are seeing are of that prison in Marcos. They are complaining because they are going to
[00:15:16] be transferred to this place. Yes, because you know what happens? In Devoto, they have no
[00:15:19] idea. They will be better off where they are
[00:15:22] now. But I tell you, look. I went to Devoto. I
[00:15:26] toured it with Julián Curi, with the ministry
[00:15:29] team, it's unlivable.
[00:15:32] That's why I say, what are they complaining about? And no, but there was the UVA with the
[00:15:35] Elkud, no, with... with a group of people, not the UVA
[00:15:39] as an institution, I'm a UVA graduate, no, on Tuesday I'm going to give a
[00:15:43] class, it's not that they don't administer the UVA for a group, a
[00:15:46] group that was there occupying a place and
[00:15:50] and and they want to keep that place. You have another group that wants to keep that
[00:15:54] place, much of which has to do with being in the capital for visits, etcetera, and there are
[00:15:58] things that are understandable, yes, but the smell in Devoto, the
[00:16:01] rotting smell is no, it's a place that was never
[00:16:05] built to be a prison either, so it has stairs,
[00:16:09] it has, uh, it doesn't
[00:16:12] have individual cells, it has pavilions with more than 70
[00:16:16] people. It's very, very destroyed, the
[00:16:19] infrastructure. We had to take down a water tank because
[00:16:22] it could fall, yes, structurally. Think that it's a very
[00:16:26] old prison that is many, many years old and that was other
[00:16:29] things, it was a children's residence, it was a hospital, that
[00:16:33] is to say, it's not prepared, it's not modern, it's not prepared for that.
[00:16:37] And it doesn't go with the new model, you see the images of the new
[00:16:41] prison and it's a prison that although
[00:16:45] it started in 2018, it's modern, that's why.
[00:16:48] Too much luxury for people who don't deserve it. Well,
[00:16:52] no, because it's not that, look, you don't punish
[00:16:55] people.
[00:16:58] It talks about a penitentiary system that is
[00:17:00] revitalize itself. Yes, of course. I think the first
[00:17:04] link for a person to truly readapt
[00:17:07] is to have them in dignified conditions,
[00:17:11] because for that we also pay our taxes, yes, and so they don't commit crimes, because
[00:17:16] there was a lot of too is that from a prison, uh, how many times do they
[00:17:20] call you on your cell phone? In federal prisons, we have a protocol, nobody has
[00:17:23] a phone. And also in Ezeiza,
[00:17:27] we put a signal jammer so there's no way anyone can talk on the
[00:17:31] phone there. They shouldn't be able to talk, no.
[00:17:33] Well, besides, they don't call you and
[00:17:36] try to scam you. Important in Buenos Aires province, you know that you can have your
[00:17:40] cell phone today if you are imprisoned. What will happen in Marcos Paz, which is a prison that not all
[00:17:43] federal prisons will have any possibility of any kind? I mean, but
[00:17:47] even so, even if they are in the province of Buenos Aires, in the whole country, because we have
[00:17:51] in, uh, you know that we also inaugurated a prison in Coronda in the north of Santa Fe, but it didn't
[00:17:55] get much attention, you know, because it's like uh, I said, well, that's
[00:17:59] it, a prison after 20 years will be all over the media, it will be
[00:18:02] spectacular, and it didn't get much attention. People didn't know much, but it's good
[00:18:05] this case of Devoto, which is much more symbolic, it's good that
[00:18:09] they can also see how the operation went, which was a clockwork, it's
[00:18:13] spectacular the operation with all the federal forces, the five
[00:18:17] forces, timed, you see it there with the armored vehicles, for a neighborhood like
[00:18:21] Devoto that is positioned as one of the most promising neighborhoods in the autonomous
[00:18:24] city of Buenos Aires, for the residents of Devoto, I'm reading you on
[00:18:27] @tomroxente, this must be a kind of relief, of course,
[00:18:31] obviously, also a detail, they won't be able to make videos in the new prison, that's
[00:18:35] the underlying problem, yes, they won't be able to shout things at you. You walk down the
[00:18:38] street and the windows are open, cell phone, yes, yes, the
[00:18:42] windows are open and they shout things and they throw
[00:18:45] things. Uh, that is, things were being exchanged. Why did it
[00:18:49] take so long to move this
[00:18:52] property, move the prisoners, to give that respite to the
[00:18:56] neighborhood? Look, the prison was finished very recently.
[00:19:00] It was received last week, on Thursday. We did the
[00:19:04] last inspections, an inspection was done
[00:19:08] 1,000 cadets went to live in
[00:19:11] that prison for a week to
[00:19:14] test it and to see that everything works, right? Because you also have to
[00:19:18] make sure the water works, the pipes, the
[00:19:20] electricity, the fire hoses, all that. So as soon as it was
[00:19:24] finished, today, only today, uh,
[00:19:28] we moved 326 prisoners in one
[00:19:31] day. In one day we have to move, uh, yes, today, Sunday,
[00:19:34] Sunday, yes, we started at 5 in the morning. And listen,
[00:19:38] what is the prison population in Devoto today? Today in Devoto there are
[00:19:41] 1500, 1700. And these are the
[00:19:45] first ones that moved, these 300, 400. Clear, yes, and we are going to
[00:19:48] keep moving and the only thing that will remain are the 300 prisoners
[00:19:51] who will be there for the Pope's visit.
[00:19:54] Ah, right. But then, uh, then yes, they will be moved and
[00:20:07] But it must be closed because it's a danger, you know, these are those things that in Argentina are those
[00:20:11] white elephants that last, that you say how can it be that this is
[00:20:15] there and years go by, years go by, and I am very
[00:20:18] proud to be part of this administration and to
[00:20:22] really close it. We are moving towards a more
[00:20:25] draconian, more severe prison system.
[00:20:28] I mean, we always use the example of Bukele,
[00:20:31] right? It's applicable in our system,
[00:20:35] in the Argentine system?
[00:20:37] It's really very tough and extreme for prisoners, those
[00:20:41] very powerful systems. I think Bukele's
[00:20:44] system is a very
[00:20:47] particular case and different from Argentina's. It can't be
[00:20:51] inspiring from the point of view that it brought about this discussion, right? Because in Argentina
[00:20:55] for years we've had impunity at full blast, and
[00:20:58] you, uh, you can't believe the habeas corpus. When I,
[00:21:02] I'm an economist, not a lawyer, but when they explained to me in college what
[00:21:05] a habeas corpus was, they told me it was to find a
[00:21:09] person. Well, today habeas corpus are for anything, because your back hurts, because the
[00:21:13] mattress you don't like, because the food you didn't like that food, because you want, because you're not
[00:21:17] eating meat and you want more kilos of meat.
[00:21:20] So really what happened in the Argentine prison
[00:21:24] system is that the prisoner, the
[00:21:27] criminal, had a certain prominence and that prominence was
[00:21:31] given to him from the point of view that he is a victim of
[00:21:34] society and on the other hand you had the real
[00:21:38] victims who, who really nobody
[00:21:42] listened to, nobody did justice for those
[00:21:46] victims. I don't believe in ill-treatment or mistreatment, uh, I don't think that's
[00:21:50] a solution, but I do believe that they should be isolated, that they cannot
[00:21:53] generate crimes from inside the prison and that those who can
[00:21:57] resocialize, let them do it. Now, you were just talking about the Pope, uh, will he finally come because
[00:22:01] he has health issues, it seems that the visit is being suspended,
[00:22:05] he has a nodule in his lung, there's a respiratory issue there, what
[00:22:08] is known? In principle, for now the visit has not been suspended
[00:22:33] there's a whole schedule, yes, yes, for now
[00:22:36] of, I think they won't cancel anything until they are
[00:22:56] We'll talk to an important pulmonologist about the Pope's health, I was reading in
[00:23:00] several portals and on social media, uh, that
[00:23:03] they were considering the possibility that the visit would be
[00:23:06] suspended, the Pope's visit,
[00:23:21] an old man. Someone knows the security operation, the deployment? Well, he will be in Luján, he will be in
[00:23:25] the capital, it will be in Cordoba. It will be the route he took in the
[00:23:29] 80s with the Popemobile, remember? They are
[00:23:32] building Luján.
[00:23:35] He didn't want to go because we have near my house there's
[00:23:39] a club and we understand that he didn't want to. He
[00:23:42] wanted to go through the normal street. Also there's talk that there might be
[00:23:46] a double. You say, and that it's used a lot for
[00:23:49] security. Yes, of course. Yes, John Paul II when he came, it was him, because I remember seeing him
[00:23:53] close, very close, he passed and it was him, it was him in the 80s.
[00:23:57] Uh, it will be the Pope, it will be the
[00:24:00] Pope. No, no, the one who will be there, yes, uh, no, what they say, the one who will be there, yes,
[00:24:04] will be the Pope. No, no, what they say sometimes in transfers or places
[00:24:08] that for security they won't say if he will be inside the Popemobile, if he will go by plane,
[00:24:12] they don't want to say that until the moment and they are confusing people that
[00:24:15] way. No, no, the one who will be there will be the Pope, yes,
[00:24:19] will he be? Does anyone know that well? I thought he would be in Plaza de los
[00:24:23] Españoles, Plaza de los Españoles, yes, then well in the
[00:24:26] basilica, that is in, no, but I
[00:24:30] wanted to say in the cathedral, in the cathedral, he will be there, the president will
[00:24:33] also receive him.
[00:24:36] Today the president tweeted about the operational issue. Let's see with Dr.
[00:24:40] Guillermo Montiel who is a pulmonologist, uh,
[00:24:43] because the truth is that the Pope's health has us on edge, if a scheduled surgery comes,
[00:24:46] they are going to operate on a nodule in his lung.
[00:25:11] worried about this scheduled surgery or is
[00:25:14] it something
[00:25:17] recover easily?
[00:25:20] Look, in principle, scheduled nodule surgeries.
[00:25:23] detected early are surgeries that
[00:25:26] as of today are
[00:25:29] quite safe with a rapid recovery period of
[00:25:33] hospitalization if there are no complications, they are for
[00:25:36] any patient over 60, under 80 who has
[00:25:40] a small lung nodule, a pulmonary
[00:25:43] nodule and that is easily accessible, things that we obviously
[00:25:46] do not know, are surgeries that really
[00:25:52] scheduled in
[00:25:55] low-risk patients, are surgeries that
[00:25:58] possibly the patient is already at home within a week.
[00:26:02] Staying hospitalized for a week or
[00:26:05] less depending a lot on what type of surgery and what intervention
[00:26:09] they perform, it's not the same to have a nodule, a
[00:26:12] nodule in the lung close to what we call
[00:26:16] the very internal mediastinum as to have a lung nodule very close to the ribs,
[00:26:20] peripheral, of course, that will depend on the type of surgery
[00:26:23] the surgeon will perform, currently
[00:26:26] surgeries with video with minimal
[00:26:29] interventions with some two, three functions and
[00:26:33] they can also come with the video camera and remove
[00:26:36] the nodule, perform minimal resections as well, that's why it depends,
[00:26:40] it depends a lot on what type of nodule, where it is
[00:26:42] located, and where it is located, doctor, are these types of surgical
[00:26:46] interventions usually very invasive?
[00:26:48] I'll tell you,
[00:26:51] if you tell me when I was studying a long time ago, they were
[00:26:55] surgeries, they were even there were
[00:26:58] rib resections, they were very
[00:27:01] bloody surgeries. Today many of these
[00:27:04] surgeries are done with video surgery, that is,
[00:27:08] like gallbladder surgery, more or less
[00:27:11] the same, it's not exactly the same, no, but they are surgeries, there can
[00:27:15] be minimally invasive surgeries, even the surgery
[00:27:19] can start being with video
[00:27:22] and a thoracoscopy and
[00:27:25] subsequently it can be expanded according to what the surgeon
[00:27:28] finds, but today, from what is more or less
[00:27:32] known about peripheral nodules, they are not surgeries that
[00:27:36] are not like before, they are surgeries that
[00:27:39] are minimally invasive, what is the
[00:27:43] postoperative period like, once he regains consciousness, when the
[00:27:48] breathe like anyone else, will he need some type of
[00:27:52] assistance, can he eat, does he have to be
[00:27:54] medicated? Yes, there is something interesting
[00:27:58] that to talk about
[00:28:01] a specific person, one would have to know the whole history, no, so
[00:28:05] I'm going to talk in general
[00:28:08] about what these types of surgeries are like, a minimally
[00:28:11] invasive surgery like this type or with a minimal
[00:28:15] incision with a lobe resection, which is a major surgery,
[00:28:19] can be a surgery that if there were no
[00:28:22] complications, the patient could be discharged in a week,
[00:28:25] obviously then you have a whole recovery period of
[00:28:29] rehabilitation,
[00:28:32] you have to see how they look, that there are no bullae, that it is well
[00:28:35] closed, the biggest problem with any surgery is postoperative
[00:28:39] pain, and for that there are also
[00:28:42] many advances in everything that is pain management in the
[00:28:45] postoperative period and what is achieved now together
[00:28:48] with the activity of respiratory physical therapists above all
[00:28:52] is what we call the early mobilization of these patients
[00:28:55] when there are no complications
[00:28:58] sometimes some drainage
[00:29:01] tubes are left at first, the tubes are left to see
[00:29:05] that there is no, to be sure that there is no bleeding or anything like that, once the
[00:29:08] tubes are removed, the patient can now
[00:29:11] ambulate freely,
[00:29:15] the issue of eating or not eating in the postoperative period, in the thoracic
[00:29:18] postoperative period, it is, I insist again, if
[00:29:22] there are no complications, it is more or less early and it is an
[00:29:25] adequate diet of easy, as
[00:29:29] nutritionists call it, easy to chew. Yes,
[00:29:32] yes, yes, and not much more than that, doctor, is
[00:29:36] it advisable for a 71-year-old person,
[00:29:39] recently operated, to start
[00:29:42] a journey to Latin America with all that it implies
[00:29:45] going from one place to another, the press,
[00:29:49] the people, the protocol meetings, meeting
[00:29:52] the president, going, coming, I mean, is
[00:29:55] it advisable, your criterion, is there the possibility that maybe the
[00:29:59] visit will be postponed, procrastinated until later? Any type of surgery of that
[00:30:04] type is undoubtedly
[00:30:08] something that will have to be evaluated very carefully
[00:30:11] because but
[00:30:14] just remember that
[00:30:17] in airplane flights and at
[00:30:21] altitude, at altitude, what
[00:30:25] drops a lot is the oxygen pressure, the
[00:30:29] barometric pressure drops and therefore the oxygen pressure,
[00:30:32] that in itself could already be an
[00:30:36] inconvenience, on the other hand, in airplane
[00:30:39] cabins, the
[00:30:42] pressure is lower than the
[00:30:45] pressure here on the ground,
[00:30:49] and if there were any bullae or any
[00:30:52] lesion or
[00:30:56] any air bubble that remained, for example, to make