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[00:00:00] supplies, postponing
[00:00:03] eh, postponing surgeries, that happens in the richest city in the country, of
[00:00:07] course it also happens in San Martín, the province of Buenos Aires, it happens everywhere, you know why,
[00:00:10] because doctors earn nothing in Argentina,
[00:00:13] they earn less and less every time, there are no nurses, there are no
[00:00:16] anesthetists, eh, they are not hired because there is austerity everywhere,
[00:00:20] that happens and I was thinking it
[00:00:23] triggered me because Silvio mentioned God's hand, not looking for God's
[00:00:34] Ignacio in Rosario, a healing
[00:00:37] really thank priest,
[00:00:39] to sooner or whose masses are deepened what multitudinous,
[00:00:42] multitudinous and what they told me about that mass caught my
[00:00:45] attention, that there were as many
[00:00:48] people asking for health issues
[00:00:52] as people asking for work, like
[00:00:55] a San Cayetano in Rosario, in Greater Rosario, not a very
[00:00:59] hard-hit part of the country, Greater Rosario, like all the industrial zones of
[00:01:03] Argentina, but it surprised me that that mass, which
[00:01:06] was for people who went to ask for health,
[00:01:09] now it's a mass, it's a mass where people go
[00:01:12] to ask as if it were a modern San Cayetano
[00:01:15] to Father Ignacio for
[00:01:19] health but also for work, half of that immense
[00:01:23] mass that happens on Saturdays in
[00:01:25] Rosario, today asks for work beyond
[00:01:29] health, this is part of the Argentine
[00:01:32] postcard, eh, Ronia, I want to ask
[00:01:36] you about the kids, on the other hand, we are talking about the older ones, how
[00:01:40] do you see the kids in Argentina today, are they
[00:01:44] I don't know, more unprotected, do
[00:01:46] more kids come to the gym wanting, wanting to find a
[00:01:50] way out or do you see it more or less the same issue of the kids, no, the kids
[00:01:54] always look for a way out, they don't have work, Roña, we can
[00:01:57] practice eh... some are charged, some are not charged, but
[00:02:01] well, it happens, this is happening, eh,
[00:02:05] there are kids in the square, drugs are everywhere every day on every
[00:02:08] corner, whoever wants to grab it grabs it,
[00:02:12] but there are many who are protected by this, before at least
[00:02:16] they had a little money of 75 pesos,
[00:02:20] they took everything from them, they were left without a penny and so
[00:02:24] they keep getting worse and worse, and on top of that we have
[00:02:27] to endure another year, it's not
[00:02:35] rope, the rope eventually breaks, at some point the rope breaks,
[00:02:38] you understand, we are getting worse, what happens is
[00:02:42] that here in Buenos Aires, it looks very nice, the lights, everything
[00:02:46] illuminated, everything, you have to look at the
[00:02:48] invest, no, because the conditions in sides, on the sides there is poverty, misery, I
[00:02:51] went through the north, it's one thing to see it, another thing to tell about it,
[00:02:55] the north is very unprotected, very unprotected, the
[00:02:59] people from the Impenetrable of Catamarca, of
[00:03:02] the north, eh Santiago del Estero, La Rioja, all
[00:03:06] that, it's one thing to tell you about it, as I always say, another thing is to
[00:03:11] go and talk to the people, that's why we try to go with the cameras to the places, I mean,
[00:03:14] beyond inviting people here to show, not to talk in
[00:03:17] first person so that people tell us, Lucas Blanco is also with us,
[00:03:21] he is an economist, eh Lucas, thanks for
[00:03:25] coming, for accompanying us,
[00:03:29] um, we just asked Silvio, uh, uh, uh
[00:03:33] Juana, how much more time, eh
[00:03:37] the work that how much, how much, how long will it take to improve the situation so that
[00:04:06] breaks your heart to hear eh, cases like these, eh, I mean,
[00:04:09] we inherited a country where pensioners were earning $80, where
[00:04:13] 40% of the purchasing power in real
[00:04:16] terms was lost in 4 years in pensions, where not only
[00:04:19] pensioners were affected, but we had six out of 10 poor children
[00:04:23] and well, eh, that is, we are going through a crisis that
[00:04:26] is still not solved, that still
[00:04:30] exists, where we have a labor market where the majority of
[00:04:33] people or at least close to 50% work informally, so
[00:04:37] they do not contribute to the pension fund, which is what then sustains pensions,
[00:04:40] eh, we had two out of three pensioners who retired
[00:04:44] through moratorium without the corresponding contributions and today we
[00:04:47] find ourselves with a very complicated social
[00:04:50] situation that the government aims and
[00:04:54] actively works to resolve some data such as child
[00:04:57] poverty
[00:05:00] has experienced a notable improvement from six out of 10 to four out of 10 poor children, just
[00:05:03] as poverty in general dropped from 50 to
[00:05:06] 30%. That does not mean that there are no people obviously who are having
[00:05:11] smile, he got emotional and a hard time and that it is. in all places,
[00:05:13] let's say, similar the case, no, but if one wants
[00:05:17] to aspire to correct this in the long term, they have to do it sustainably,
[00:05:21] without returning to fiscal deficit, without generating inflation, what happens is that Lucas,
[00:05:24] there are people, I discuss this with all economists and and others and the
[00:05:28] heroes of Excel, no, there are people who do not have
[00:05:31] time, Silvio and Juana do not have
[00:05:35] time and when one puts politics in first person with
[00:05:39] a name and surname, Excel does not exist.
[00:05:45] what you say, but politics in
[00:05:49] general, the leaders will have
[00:05:52] later prioritize Silvio and
[00:05:55] Juana, and not Peter Thiel
[00:05:58] and not Marcos Galperín, I mean, I know it's
[00:06:01] complex because the blanket is short, I understand that very clearly, but I have the feeling that
[00:06:05] in Argentina the same people always lose, as
[00:06:08] Silvio and Juana are losing today who have a frozen bonus of 7000
[00:06:12] pesos. 3 years ago, that is,
[00:06:15] I disagree, first of all, with Excel, I also, I mean,
[00:06:19] I talk a lot about Excel, these are people, I mean, what INDEC measures,
[00:06:22] in the end, no matter how much it's shown through numbers,
[00:06:26] are people, obviously you can't break down each
[00:06:29] person one by one and tell you all the names, but it's not just INDEC, the Argentine
[00:06:33] Catholic University also measures poverty with other
[00:06:37] methodologies and it showed a decrease,
[00:06:39] eh, let's see, the problem is if you give them false hope, you
[00:06:43] can, let's say, go back to the model of fiscal deficit, of monetary
[00:06:46] emission, put money in people's pockets, but if
[00:06:50] that money you put in one pocket then comes out the other, what you're
[00:06:54] going to end up causing is that the Silvio who comes in 4 years will be
[00:06:58] even worse, so you'll have
[00:07:01] bread for today, hunger for tomorrow, then that the
[00:07:04] country is governed for the rich, let's see, Galperín left the
[00:07:08] country precisely because the country scares away the rich, what remains in Argentina is Galperín's
[00:07:12] company. Which in any case generates profit, generates jobs, well, it generates
[00:07:15] profit, that's not right, the company that generates
[00:07:19] profit, that's why, but I mean, it's generating profit, but that
[00:07:23] profit, let's say, it generates by offering a service to
[00:07:26] people that generates jobs and let's not forget that through MercadoPago, a large
[00:07:30] number of people who used to get paid in cash
[00:07:34] and today at least have a legitimate way of receiving
[00:07:37] money and generating some return, so Marcos Galperín is not the bad
[00:07:41] guy because you think. No, nobody talked about Marcos, you talked about Marcos, I
[00:07:44] don't think, I, I mentioned him, but I don't think Marcos Galperín is
[00:07:48] the bad guy, Marcos Galperín seeks to
[00:07:51] maximize his profit like all entrepreneurs, that is, then there is the fact that
[00:07:54] each one has greater responsibility, I don't care about that,
[00:07:58] I mean, eh, sometimes it seems that the field is
[00:08:01] tilted in such a way that Silvios, Juanas, pensioners,
[00:08:05] cancer patients, always lose,
[00:08:09] that is, because I'm not so sure.
[00:08:12] that pensioners today are better off than 3
[00:08:16] years ago, rather I think the opposite, no, rather I think that today pensioners
[00:08:19] are worse off than 3 years ago and and
[00:08:23] and you say well and I can give you the reason, this, hey, now inflation
[00:08:27] has dropped considerably, if the problem was only
[00:08:30] inflation, why do I think that pensioners, it
[00:08:34] seems to me, or my friends tell me because my grandparents, my close
[00:08:38] pensioners no longer live, that
[00:08:41] their grandparents are worse off or their parents are worse off, why does that happen, why is
[00:08:44] there that dichotomy, Lucas, that inflation goes down, but pensioners are
[00:08:48] worse off? Well, first, the pensioners'
[00:08:52] basket is different from the basket that a person
[00:08:56] who is not a pensioner has, that is a general basket that is not the same in the case of
[00:08:59] pensioners, anyway it is also false that
[00:09:03] subsidies for medicines were removed, no, it is not false,
[00:09:06] no, no, no, many no, I want to explain it, I want to explain
[00:09:10] it, you have to do the paperwork, that is, a series of requirements were put in place to
[00:09:13] access 100% of the subsidy, I mean, my father is also a pensioner,
[00:09:17] but no, my mother is also a pensioner they removed the
[00:09:20] 100% coverage for chronic diseases, I
[00:09:23] know because we pay for it, that is, it's not that I
[00:09:27] account for it, at least what Pami communicates, beyond that I have the personal case of
[00:09:31] my father who also consumes antihypertensives eh because he has high
[00:09:34] blood pressure and he has a subsidy on antihypertensives, beyond the
[00:09:37] personal case, Pami what it sets is a series of requirements to access the
[00:09:41] subsidy such as eh having less than, that is, earning less than
[00:09:44] 1.5 minimum, the minimum, I tell you a concrete
[00:09:47] case, the minimum in case of having a disability is three, they are
[00:09:51] three salaries in case of presenting a disability, they are three
[00:09:54] salaries, eh, or the sum of three minimum salaries, but when Pami stops paying,
[00:09:58] but I mean, there are subsidies, what happens is that some things to
[00:10:02] clarify, first, by switching
[00:10:05] medicines to over-the-counter, a lot
[00:10:08] of medicines stopped
[00:10:11] having coverage. Medicines do not have
[00:10:14] coverage, that first happened not only to pensioners but to a lot of people,
[00:10:18] that on the one hand, then it is true that
[00:10:21] eh the requirements were tightened, it is
[00:10:25] true, I have, we can discuss whether it is right or
[00:10:29] not, I think so, but we have to help older adults so that they can
[00:10:32] meet those requirements, no doubt, no doubt, not two things and finally, when
[00:10:35] Pami stops paying, it doesn't matter if there is a subsidy or not, because there are
[00:10:39] four provinces in Argentina, one I think is Catamarca, where
[00:10:43] Pami in its largest centers had to stop providing care because
[00:10:47] Pami stopped paying providers, so, let's say, it
[00:10:51] starts to be a coverage, a ghost coverage, I mean.
[00:10:56] Argentina far from improving, I think it has
[00:11:02] was wrong, pensioners were having a hard time 3 years ago, we all
[00:11:06] agree, they are having a worse time today, I particularly think
[00:11:25] well, listening to you, but we also want to thank
[00:11:29] both Juana and Silvio for the solidarity of the people who are
[00:11:32] watching us, the Crónica audience, who is always present
[00:11:36] helping, because Juana tells me, today I bought a package of
[00:11:40] sugar, I had 19 cents left in my account
[00:11:43] nothing more, and now thanks to the people who are
[00:11:47] watching, eh, well, of course Juana and
[00:11:51] Silvio's Mercado Pago is growing.
[00:12:14] for Juana and Silvio so that nothing,
[00:12:17] tomorrow at least tomorrow they have a penny in their
[00:12:21] Mercado Pago to be able to buy bread
[00:12:24] and and... and drink something hot, the truth is that
[00:12:28] the truth is that it makes me very happy, but it also makes me very sad that it is
[00:12:31] us, who
[00:12:35] have to take responsibility and be responsible for what other
[00:12:39] people should be doing, no, us, Juana, Silvio, the
[00:12:42] truth is that we are delighted to help them, also the
[00:12:45] Roña's foundation eh, to give them a hand with the visibility of the
[00:12:49] work they do
[00:12:52] eh, but the truth is,
[00:12:56] it's not the job of journalists, nor of television channels, nor of
[00:12:59] TV, eh, to guarantee
[00:13:02] them that they have a penny in their
[00:13:05] wallet for tomorrow to be able to have breakfast, nor that
[00:13:09] Roña with his generosity and his foundation provides them with medicines so
[00:13:13] that they can look for them, I mean, the truth is that it makes me
[00:13:16] happy on the one hand to be able to do it, where are the guys from, they are
[00:13:20] from San Martín, Joseon Suárez, oh no, because I have,
[00:13:24] they can come get me. I'll deposit it, I help
[00:13:26] a lot of people, if all people go to the
[00:13:30] deposit, I give to
[00:13:33] soup kitchens and dining halls that need it
[00:13:36] so nothing, there is merchandise, now a new
[00:13:38] truck is coming, I thank Abel
[00:13:42] Pinto because he sent me a truck with 2 kg of
[00:13:45] merchandise without being asked, he told me I'm going to
[00:13:48] help you and he helped me, not only with those who are on the
[00:13:52] channel who tell you, hey, I'm going to help you, Roña, and then they don't show up,
[00:14:04] they promised me the cooks and they never appeared, I told them they would make
[00:14:07] contributions to the Locomotora foundation, they never
[00:14:10] did, nothing happens, I don't need any of
[00:14:13] that because thanks to the factory that gives me
[00:14:16] merchandise, the government of the province of Buenos Aires that contributes
[00:14:20] eh there are many whips that also don't give for the
[00:14:23] soup kitchens, you see, I get angry when
[00:14:27] that red light is on, they promise you the moon and the stars and then
[00:14:31] you see, they leave you stranded, so you see, and it's not that they leave
[00:14:35] you stranded, there are people behind, not me because I have
[00:14:38] food, I don't need anything, what these
[00:14:41] people need is that,
[00:14:44] that's the ugly part, I tell you again, I see
[00:14:48] it every day, Monday to Monday I see these people, it makes me
[00:14:52] angry, people come and say Roña, I have some but it's not enough, I
[00:14:55] can't make ends meet, I can't make ends meet, I can't make ends meet, that happens more and more, I don't have
[00:14:59] work but it's not enough, they have work but it's not enough, it can't be that a pensioner is
[00:15:02] earning 48000 pesos and the
[00:15:05] medicine costs 200 pesos, when they buy the medicines, their
[00:15:09] pension salary is gone, they know because they have a pensioner
[00:15:12] father, we usually invite Luis, a
[00:15:15] pensioner who marches on Wednesdays and Luis has
[00:15:18] to sell socks, he goes out and buys,
[00:15:21] he gets the minimum 400 and something and goes out to sell socks.
[00:15:25] And he goes to the march on Wednesdays and fights for others, well that's how Argentina is,
[00:15:28] eh nothing, Locomotora Foundation to
[00:15:32] help, the MP3
[00:15:36] Foundation, that point to help Juana and
[00:15:40] Silvio, Juana and Silvio, María Juan you will be the bridge eh
[00:15:44] between our production, Roña and Juan and Silvio so that
[00:15:47] those medicines can arrive and maybe Roña can also give them some
[00:15:51] merchandise, not a bag so that at least they
[00:15:55] start to have a connection with Roña and
[00:15:59] and of course, what happens is that for me, the truth is, Roña, you are a very
[00:16:02] generous person, the truth is that you work so much with the soup kitchens and the
[00:16:05] dining halls, but the truth is. For me, I mean, you are not human
[00:16:09] capital, there would be people who should take care of it, Sandra Petovello is her
[00:16:12] name, who should take care of it, it happened to me when I had, remember
[00:16:16] when I had all the pasta all piled up, that was not
[00:16:20] her, it was from the previous government
[00:16:22] and well, the rats are eating it, so you see,
[00:16:25] I prefer, I would have preferred to give it to the people and he says I don't know where it
[00:16:29] went because he never gave me anything from the soup kitchens because he says they are
[00:16:33] ghost soup kitchens and here there are no ghost soup kitchens, how many soup kitchens do you have,
[00:16:36] Roña? 14 and 9
[00:16:38] dining halls,
[00:16:41] Locomotora.point Foundation to help Roña, Juana
[00:16:44] mp 13 points to help
[00:17:33] that we watch the Crónica program every day and and
[00:17:37] that... people have work to survive and not end up
[00:18:00] Silvio, you're not the only one, I want to tell you, half of Argentina is
[00:18:03] affected, half of Argentina is affected, you're not a unique case.
[00:18:09] Eh, nobody is going to believe that you are the only one, nor that it's your fault, nor that you
[00:18:13] didn't do enough, it's not like that, half of
[00:18:16] Argentina is affected, and it's not because they are lazy, don't want to
[00:18:20] work, did things wrong, don't know financial education, don't know how to
[00:18:39] telling us your story, for helping us understand reality beyond
[00:18:43] Excel, beyond what officials say, it's very
[00:18:46] important for us every weekend
[00:18:50] to tell these stories in first
[00:18:53] person, to get out of Excel, to get out of the
[00:18:56] numbers, to tell the reality that is lived in at least
[00:19:00] half or a little more than half of
[00:19:37] hopeful,
[00:19:41] who are confident, who are making an effort, because there are many people who are
[00:19:45] making an effort and don't see that things are clearing up, you said
[00:19:48] hey, fixing this mess is not easy, it will take a long
[00:19:51] time, eh, how much more patience do you
[00:19:55] think they have to have or can be asked for, it depends
[00:19:59] on many factors, obviously a person who is going through a critical situation cannot
[00:20:17] What I tell people is that we should focus on how to solve this
[00:20:21] problem because if we focus
[00:20:24] all the time on the problem itself and never on how to
[00:20:27] solve it, it will continue to happen that there are pensioners who are
[00:20:30] badly off, that there are poor children and the opposition or the
[00:20:34] rest of the political spectrum does not offer an alternative on how to
[00:20:38] solve this in the medium to long term, in a sustainable
[00:20:41] way, for me the solution is clear, I mean it's about betting
[00:20:44] on improving production, on having investments, on generating formal
[00:20:48] jobs to normalize the country, I mean, if the country risk drops, it means more
[00:20:52] companies are established, by not attacking entrepreneurs, attracting
[00:20:56] entrepreneurs to come and establish themselves here, whether it's Mercado Libre or
[00:20:59] another company, whether it's Amazon, whether it's Global, whatever company you want, but we have to
[00:21:02] attract these people and not
[00:21:06] charge them more taxes so that the money is then used by a
[00:21:08] politician, that is my conclusion, I believe that
[00:21:12] they should focus on the problem and the government has it clear and I don't see that the rest of the
[00:21:16] politicians have a clear solution and that's why they are not presenting
[00:21:33] buy a stove for a soup kitchen, we try to get
[00:21:37] a wheelchair, they gave us one, we donated one to
[00:21:41] a person, nothing, we want to be able to if
[00:21:44] we buy the stove for the soup kitchen, eh,
[00:21:47] pucherito, that's good, eh, to be able to continue
[00:21:51] helping because people really need it, especially
[00:21:54] people from humble neighborhoods, I don't like to say from shantytowns
[00:21:58] but eh I say humble neighborhoods that are the ones who need
[00:22:01] it most, where there are many little children in staircases, you see,
[00:22:04] so nothing, how awful that a woman with five
[00:22:08] four children comes to my gym and asks and I can't say no,
[00:22:11] you know what, I didn't ask you and I don't want to forget at least to
[00:22:15] mention how you see the issue of debt in the neighborhoods, people
[00:22:19] are very
[00:22:50] and every, it can't be that a kilo of meat costs
[00:22:53] 25, eh, what a person
[00:22:57] earns per day, a kilo of meat, so that's the
[00:23:00] worst, there are people from the neighborhood who haven't eaten meat for a long time, the
[00:23:04] butcher, our neighbor says
[00:23:06] eh people used to buy by the kilo, now by 100 g or 200
[00:23:10] g, to make a little sauce and
[00:23:14] that's the hard part, that people are having a very
[00:23:18] very hard time.
[00:23:36] with a number of soup kitchens and snack bars that solve a little bit of the day
[00:23:40] for a lot of people who otherwise would
[00:23:44] not have that plate of food and
[00:23:47] would be having a much worse time than they are
[00:24:05] first thing, long live Argentine
[00:24:08] labor,
[00:24:11] as an Argentine, a lot was lost and
[00:24:15] and I would like to put together a crew
[00:24:19] to teach my friends' children
[00:24:22] through the church that we pray in
[00:24:27] each one can take their child off
[00:24:31] that in these times it may be better to live
[00:24:34] better,
[00:25:40] go back to work.
[00:25:43] No, there we are, we were there at least to give him this little hand, which we know is not
[00:25:47] definitive, it's just a start.
[00:26:27] proud of what we are doing,
[00:26:30] there it is,
[00:26:33] closing this story that
[00:26:36] of course today has a more or less dignified
[00:26:40] ending, but tomorrow it will be a problem again and the camera will not
[00:26:44] be there, that's why public policies are needed to solve this type of
[00:26:45] issue,
[00:26:49] attention.
[00:27:03] The case of Mari Carmen,
[00:27:07] you know, housing
[00:27:11] crisis,
[00:27:16] goes in parallel, only Argentina, Spain, no, I think the rest of the world, but there is a parallel between
[00:27:20] Argentina and
[00:27:20] Spain,
[00:27:28] the case of Mari Carmen, in Spain it is
[00:27:31] shaking the political framework, so much so
[00:27:34] that the head of government, Pedro Sánchez, sent decrees to
[00:27:38] freeze rent for a certain time to avoid
[00:27:42] evictions, as they call them, expulsions, because Mari
[00:27:45] Carmen lived 70 years in that home and the
[00:27:49] "vulture SMEs" appeared, as they are called, which are
[00:27:52] ventures that go and buy a lot of
[00:27:55] homes to make business with them. Well, the
[00:27:58] president sent two decrees and Congress overturned them, so they brought forward elections with
[00:28:02] general elections to see definitively what will happen and one
[00:28:05] says Mari Carmen, she is very far from the Republic of
[00:28:09] Argentina. There is a report that came out Agustín this week that shows the
[00:28:12] growth of retirees, that is,
[00:28:15] Argentine Maricarmens who are renting, they are with the noose around
[00:28:18] their necks. To talk about this, Matías Araujo from the urban fabric
[00:28:22] of an organization that is in charge
[00:28:25] of measuring all these types of problems that exist not only in Argentina
[00:28:36] housing issue? You know why I'm interested? Because I think the
[00:28:39] housing issue, as happened in Berlin, uh,
[00:28:43] as happens in Spain, will
[00:28:45] end up uh, by defining some electoral issues
[00:28:49] in Argentina if someone takes it seriously, if someone takes
[00:28:53] it seriously, what are you seeing? Well, when
[00:28:56] you were trying to see the parallels between Spain and Argentina, what we see in
[00:29:00] Spain is basically a scenario. In Argentina, we can
[00:29:04] see it in the future, that is, it is a matter that may happen. What have
[00:29:07] we detected in the last two censuses? Basically a doubling of the
[00:29:11] number of retired tenants, which means
[00:29:15] that during the last 20 years a large part of the population between 45 and
[00:29:18] 60 years old could not access housing and therefore reached old age
[00:29:22] renting, and what does renting mean, obviously with a
[00:29:25] pension today, how to face it. And on the other hand, we really like
[00:29:29] to analyze the two extremes basically. On the one hand, you
[00:29:32] have retired tenants who today doubled and eight out of
[00:29:36] 10 retired tenants are vulnerable, and on the other hand, we see
[00:29:39] what happens at the other extreme of the housing
[00:29:42] trajectory, let's say, which are young people, four out of 10 cannot
[00:29:46] leave their parents' house, four out of 10, four out of 10 cannot leave
[00:29:50] their parents' house, this is fundamental to understand why
[00:29:53] it impacts Argentina because it tries to achieve
[00:29:56] to see how it has evolved and how our legs have been
[00:29:59] cut off basically in recent years in that sense,
[00:30:03] we say, if today we are aiming to
[00:30:07] understand what is happening to people between 45 and 60 years old who today do not access
[00:30:10] property and property being what guarantees in Argentina
[00:30:14] certain stability for the future, what will happen
[00:30:17] when in the next census this is double
[00:30:20] the retirees again, let's go from 4,000 to 8,000. Now the
[00:30:24] question, one of the questions about this
[00:30:26] diagnosis, I mean, where do we start to solve
[00:30:30] the problem because
[00:30:32] it's not that Argentina hasn't tried in recent years, it has tried and it has
[00:30:36] gone wrong, it has tried with inefficient tools,
[00:30:39] that rental law with rampant
[00:30:42] inflation ended up not being efficient for people to be able to
[00:30:46] rent and for those who had a little money to be able to
[00:30:49] buy, the attempts, the attempts at
[00:30:52] mortgage credit projects in Argentina in recent years were neither massive nor
[00:30:56] good. Those that were good were not.