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[00:02:15] Loans, debts and
[00:02:17] threats. Jimena owes 5
[00:02:21] million,
[00:02:24] she claims that the lenders are harassing her.
[00:02:27] Her mom organizes a raffle to raise money and pay off her
[00:02:33] scaring them more than debts.
[00:02:34] be measured, there's no measurement, what we My daughter sold everything, she tried to
[00:02:37] message, black, to see what commit suicide,
[00:02:39] we are working live, Rodo Morel tells us, Rodo, happy
[00:02:43] of it is in debt and with Saturday, what are you doing Dani, it's not a happy Saturday
[00:02:46] for Graciela, who is the mother, Jimena, who is the daughter, we are in
[00:02:50] José C. Paz more than 60 km from
[00:02:53] dad and they the federal capital,
[00:02:55] helped me up to a point with nothing Jimena sold was enough to pay that
[00:02:57] amount that you rightly said,
[00:03:00] she sold. from window
[00:03:03] well, unfortunately, it's what openings, sheets from her
[00:03:06] room, the refrigerator,
[00:03:09] a box spring, well, nothing is
[00:03:13] loan, then
[00:03:16] she took another one to cover the first one, then she had to
[00:03:19] first and second,
[00:03:23] she had to take a fourth one to
[00:03:26] which is things to sell on the see if she could face the merchandise, third, the second and the first of b4,
[00:03:30] loans she lost her basic income which was the
[00:03:34] sale of clothes here in José C. Paz, it's a
[00:03:37] chaotic situation on top of that as you well said with
[00:03:41] this decision she had of a suicide attempt, well everything
[00:03:44] is very chaotic, we are with Jimena, we are with
[00:03:47] Graciela, well Jimena, uh, everything
[00:03:51] starts from what, you started having like any
[00:03:54] entrepreneurship, the dream of having a job, you started having a clothing
[00:03:57] store, is that right, a clothing store uh.
[00:04:00] uh used clothes, new clothes uh I had a bit of everything uh well I started well
[00:04:04] at first uh then uh sales started to drop
[00:04:08] to be able to have more
[00:04:11] and have a big store uh I took out a
[00:04:14] loan uh I started paying already after it
[00:04:17] became difficult because things were no longer
[00:04:20] selling uh I asked for another one to cover part of that and
[00:04:24] be able to buy more things, already after that I got complicated with the
[00:04:27] second uh I asked for a third
[00:04:30] one to cover a bit of the first, the second and buy more
[00:04:33] merchandise it also got
[00:04:36] complicated, another one appeared, he offered me another one and
[00:04:39] I also took it to cover a part of the rent uh
[00:04:43] to be able to cover the others but it wasn't enough and when I realized
[00:04:47] I already had uh five daily payment lenders
[00:04:51] that I couldn't uh pay, I ended up asking
[00:04:54] monthly, it got complicated again more uh until
[00:04:58] well I couldn't take it anymore and on April 4th uh
[00:05:01] I had the first suicide attempt no that they saved me in the
[00:05:05] hospital and and well now what's left for me is
[00:05:09] to be able to pay, I can't get a job, I go out to sell at the fair and some days it
[00:05:13] sells, some days it doesn't, uh, I started selling
[00:05:16] food, uh, I also sold well for a week, then
[00:05:20] nothing sold, uh, now on August 28th
[00:05:24] I tried to throw myself under the train, no, please, but
[00:05:27] well, I don't know,
[00:05:30] Jimena, while, we are going to show now the
[00:05:34] room where Jimena sleeps, how many children do you have,
[00:05:37] five, five, I have five children, four live with me, the eldest
[00:05:41] uh, moved out because she has a girl
[00:05:44] and and well uh so I am with the four younger
[00:05:48] children in this room that we are showing
[00:05:51] we see how many beds three beds uh
[00:05:55] how many people sleep there I sleep in
[00:05:58] one below with the youngest one, in the other in the other
[00:06:01] my 17-year-old son sleeps and in the
[00:06:04] other my 11-year-old son and my 13-year-old daughter do not
[00:06:07] sleep with me, she sleeps with my mom because of the fact that uh well I
[00:06:11] sold the box spring and it's two box springs that I had so
[00:06:14] she had to sleep with my mom, so to speak, of course, now
[00:06:17] well, uh we are sleeping at my mom's because the other day an
[00:06:21] outlet caught fire and I ran out of electricity, so
[00:06:25] we are sleeping, my youngest son
[00:06:28] uh my mom, my three-year-old daughter and I in my mom's bed
[00:06:32] and then my other son throws a mattress and the other one sleeps on the couch because when
[00:06:36] it rains we can't be here and even less without light, Jimena, I invite
[00:06:40] you to connect, stand here at this
[00:06:44] while you were listening to the
[00:06:49] what I call a room, right, because it would be like
[00:06:52] her her home, it's what she conditioned as a room and that's fine
[00:06:56] obviously Rodo, sorry Rodo, are you
[00:07:00] telling me that she doesn't have an access door, she doesn't have, she doesn't have a door
[00:07:03] directly to the house, she doesn't have a door
[00:07:06] no because the other
[00:07:09] half of the house was longer, the other
[00:07:13] uh, since I had no money and my sister had nowhere to live, I sold her half
[00:07:16] last year and a wall was built, I had the door to
[00:07:19] put it, but since I was
[00:07:22] building last year, I had bought everything to
[00:07:26] be able to finish it, uh, then
[00:07:29] I sold all the doors and didn't put the door, I had a curtain
[00:07:32] directly that I took off now because, well, with the rain I had to wash
[00:07:36] yes, that is to say that you sold the door of your house
[00:07:39] to be able to cancel part of the loan.
[00:07:43] half of the house, so you sold almost everything, yes, I sold
[00:07:46] everything, yes, and and how much
[00:07:49] you still owe, I was lucky to keep these beds , how much do you owe
[00:07:53] today, now to cover and be at peace yes,
[00:07:57] to cover and be at peace, to be able to sleep peacefully, it's
[00:08:01] approximately 5 million, 5
[00:08:03] million pesos, no, uh, and
[00:08:06] she sold practically everything she has in the house to be able
[00:08:10] to fill the gap, no, the desperation.
[00:08:13] I don't want to get into the other thing Rodo was saying which is the intention to take her
[00:08:16] life, do you have support, do you have a professional who is
[00:08:20] supporting you, uh I I was under
[00:08:23] treatment uh uh I stopped
[00:08:26] were I had to take two a
[00:08:30] day and I was totally
[00:08:34] mi mamá con los chicos eh mi mamá es una señora mayor la cual
[00:08:37] was too much of a burden for her so I decided to stop treatment in the
[00:08:41] second attempt. of suicide I had, my mom didn't take me to the
[00:08:45] hospital because if they took me they would admit me uh, they
[00:08:48] told me it was from 15 days to a month, yes, and it was
[00:08:52] too much for her to stay with the kids, clear, so, that's why I'm not
[00:08:56] hospitalized and I didn't want to continue treatment, you had to
[00:08:59] choose to either be hospitalized and recover and
[00:09:03] leave the burden of raising your children to your mom
[00:09:06] not to be hospitalized and give a
[00:09:10] even with the suffering of...
[00:09:18] now it's terrible where I ask the following, where
[00:09:22] are you living because people can come and
[00:09:25] donate a bed, they can donate some bricks, they can
[00:09:29] donate cement, they can donate the door, they can help you in some
[00:09:33] way so that you little by little and with some things
[00:09:36] can get ahead, where do you live, where is your house located, what
[00:09:40] street huh?
[00:09:47] 3628 well, stop, when Rodo just now our colleague, dear Jime,
[00:09:51] spoke of threats yes, uh how long
[00:09:55] have you been suffering these threats and how are they, in what way do they
[00:09:59] threaten you
[00:10:02] uh no, look, the Colombians I have lenders who don't
[00:10:06] rush me uh they know my situation and they are not rushing
[00:10:10] me, who are the monthly ones, the daily ones who do. I still owe them and it's been
[00:10:13] 8 months,
[00:10:16] they are Colombians who come on motorcycles, I don't
[00:10:20] know their names because wait, the ones you owe monthly are
[00:10:24] Argentinians, they are lenders who know you, they are Argentinians, they
[00:10:27] tell you, "Jim, I understand, I'll give you a little more time," now the Colombians
[00:10:31] keep threatening you every day, they are the ones who charge you daily,
[00:10:34] no, and and when they tell you the threats that are face-to-face, they come to your house
[00:10:38] on their motorcycle,
[00:10:41] and they don't want, what they tell you is no, this can get worse,
[00:10:45] the others will come, uh, and they don't
[00:10:48] deal with names of anyone, why, because they
[00:10:52] don't deal with transfers, they deal with cash, yes,
[00:10:55] because if they dealt with transfers, if I wanted to
[00:10:58] report them I would have their data, so what do they do, they
[00:11:02] deal with cash so as not to leave any trace of anything, clear,
[00:11:05] clear, clear, and and and the and they come close, it calls
[00:11:09] my attention, it worries me when it says the others, because the
[00:11:12] threat because there are several, because one falls black, no, no, but the others
[00:11:16] I think are the ones who are going to try to assassinate
[00:11:19] her, because the ones who threaten her with death, it's like that, Jimena, do you interpret the same as
[00:11:23] me, when they tell you the others are the ones who do the
[00:11:25] dirty work,
[00:11:28] right, well, the last time uh that I attended to them because after
[00:11:31] that I told my brother that directly uh they should tell them that
[00:11:34] I wasn't there uh many times they came when I
[00:11:39] the psychiatrist or psychologist uh and I already grabbed and told him
[00:11:42] well I'm going to tell him I'm at the doctor's uh I would tell him
[00:11:45] last resort because the last time I spoke uh
[00:11:49] one of them grabbed and told me I want the money and I want it now, I'm not interested in
[00:11:52] your problems, so I grabbed and told him
[00:11:55] well you have food every day, sometimes I don't even have enough to buy
[00:11:58] a bag of rice for my kids, I tell him, so understand that I don't have it because I'm giving
[00:12:02] an idea, I tell him so you know my situation, I tell him
[00:12:05] I have things to sell, I tell him, uh but
[00:12:09] well at the moment they don't sell and the one who
[00:12:13] threatens me the most is one to whom I owe uh only
[00:12:16] five installments of 18,000 pesos, so that's the
[00:12:19] biggest charge. armed, when the
[00:12:23] armed ones go, do they show you weapons? they show knives, no, I can't tell
[00:12:27] you anything, no, no, no, no, it's just
[00:12:30] that they think that because they are Colombians you have to be
[00:12:33] afraid of them, okay, I so far, I mean, I'm not afraid
[00:12:37] of them, but you know, you can never be, but you have to be careful in
[00:12:40] life, so let me add Robert, Robert, this, you who are
[00:12:43] an economist and live the numbers every day, dear Robert,
[00:12:47] how many people are in the same situation as Jimena, how many
[00:12:50] people go directly to the crooked lender, no, to the
[00:12:54] Colombian like him. in the neighborhoods is that it's the derivative and since it can't
[00:12:59] can see is the systemic that today with the banking
[00:13:03] system the 12.8%
[00:13:08] the fintech system the 33%,
[00:13:11] but what these lenders are is not in any system, so it's difficult to
[00:13:15] measure it, what we are also talking about in the fintech
[00:13:19] system is debt of 10,000 pesos, 200,000 pesos
[00:13:22] and when people end up there she was saying. exactly, they are small
[00:13:26] debts, exactly, and the other
[00:13:29] problem that is seen that is also derived from that, we have in terms of
[00:13:33] homicide in occasion of robbery
[00:13:35] 3.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, but what has
[00:13:39] soared in the last two years is the number of suicides which is at
[00:13:42] 11.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, which is saying
[00:13:46] that this problem that Jimena is showing that she is going through
[00:13:50] that she is experiencing, a lot of people and Argentine families are experiencing
[00:13:54] it, look, speaking of a lot. of people, Jimena, don't go, Jimena nods, now I'll leave
[00:13:57] you a question, Jimena, that has to do with the rest of the neighbors in the
[00:14:01] neighborhood, no, how many neighbors are,
[00:14:05] I'm not saying a similar situation, but who went to the
[00:14:08] lender, you'll answer me now, why, because
[00:14:11] Robert just said there are many people who are just like
[00:14:14] Jimena, here's Brian, no Brian, hello Brian,
[00:14:18] how are you, Brian arrived at the door of the channel, you tell me if I'm
[00:14:21] lying or not, Brian, correct me on air, no problem. that
[00:14:25] you arrived at the door of the channel desperate asking for help because you can't take it anymore, even
[00:14:29] crying, yes, they found you crying at the door of the channel begging for us
[00:14:33] to give you a hand, you are also a victim of the loans from the
[00:14:36] Colombians, not Colombian, but people from the
[00:14:39] neighborhood who, well, today due to circumstances
[00:14:43] of not having much
[00:14:47] work uh I was also
[00:14:50] fired from a job, 3 years
[00:14:53] unregistered. they fired me without
[00:14:57] a valid reason, I had to miss work due to my
[00:15:00] health, but as a security guard they didn't want to give me a certificate,
[00:15:04] they fired me and because of that I ended up with all this
[00:15:06] debt that unfortunately
[00:15:09] today it became too much, it became
[00:15:13] a lot and constant no, but
[00:15:17] you had your job, you had to miss work for personal reasons and at what point
[00:15:20] did you incur this debt, was it when you lost your job? I was
[00:15:23] working. and I was asking one
[00:15:27] before before having that job I already had
[00:15:31] loans why because we are in a very
[00:15:34] difficult situation and I see you very emotional. we will do our
[00:15:38] best to help you Brian, but I want to understand why you get to
[00:15:42] that point, I mean what are the debts with paying the rent, with paying
[00:15:45] the services with supporting your children, I don't know if you have to support my
[00:15:49] children, yes, I have three children
[00:15:51] and
[00:15:53] I went into debt for them also as
[00:15:56] for today you can't afford a luxury,
[00:16:00] but to give them a luxury that
[00:16:03] much was not really possible.
[00:16:08] and and well today
[00:16:11] happened the debt remained
[00:16:15] stagnant, I was paying I was paying until at a
[00:16:18] point it became too much, so many interests accumulated
[00:16:21] and in everyday life when you talk Brian about
[00:16:25] luxuries, you talk about a trip to the movies, not
[00:16:29] special food, I don't know, a
[00:16:31] barbecue
[00:16:33] uh something for the house because today directly not much
[00:16:37] luxury you can't afford uh how this economy is, how everything is, I
[00:16:41] sincerely it's that of being able to go out, yes
[00:16:45] also why not but wait Brian wait because when one gets fired
[00:16:48] from a job and you don't have the possibility of doing odd jobs, you don't think about going out, about
[00:16:52] eating barbecue, what one thinks about is feeding the kids
[00:16:56] how many kids do you have? I have three minor kids, all minors
[00:17:01] amount of the first loan you took out uh
[00:17:05] 500,000, 50,000 and they demanded you return it in how many
[00:17:08] installments, no, what amount, from one month to the next, from one month to the next
[00:17:12] and how much did you have to pay for 500, how much did you have to return, one
[00:17:15] million, double,
[00:17:18] double and how do you return a
[00:17:21] having an odd job, getting some small job and paying
[00:17:24] it off per week for the odd jobs that
[00:17:28] I was doing and no yes there was no, there was no
[00:17:31] because there was no
[00:17:35] them and saving and giving to them. no, feed
[00:17:38] them and now how much do you owe Brian now and now
[00:17:41] approximately
[00:17:44] 5 5 million, the same as Jimena, that is, the same
[00:17:47] amount as Jimena, Jimena was talking about five million, Brian is talking about 5
[00:17:50] million,
[00:17:54] a pile of debt that you can't control, here there are two
[00:17:58] things, there is a clear intention from Jimena and Brian to
[00:18:02] buy televisions but to feed their
[00:18:05] children, even Jimena. betting on buying merchandise to sell
[00:18:09] and for the business she had installed to resurface, do you want us to go to a
[00:18:14] it is phone, well, we ask people then to
[00:18:18] send us a message if they also want to help this person
[00:18:21] 1161765692
[00:18:24] we await your messages and collaboration from everyone, well Brian, now we'll continue with you
[00:18:27] because Jimena is here, let's go, we're with you Rodo again,
[00:18:30] Jimena, we wanted to ask you also this that Brian
[00:18:34] was precisely mentioning the daily food.
[00:18:38] You said you had five children, therefore I
[00:18:41] imagine it must be very difficult to have money
[00:18:44] for food every day, are you also
[00:18:48] complicated in that, do you have a job now, how do you
[00:18:50] manage?
[00:18:52] I don't have a job, I go out when it doesn't rain
[00:18:56] to sell at the fairs, I had bought a little
[00:19:03] street, I have a lot left because I couldn't sell it.
[00:19:07] Uh, it doesn't sell uh, then regarding
[00:19:11] food, my mom is helping me, but she also has difficulties and
[00:19:15] there are days when she doesn't have any and it's trying to see
[00:19:18] where to get something so that they have at least a plate of food at
[00:19:22] night, if it's not found during the day it has to be found for the night,
[00:19:25] now uh I'm going to ask you, what she said was tremendous,
[00:19:28] right, but it's one plate of food per day, if you don't eat during the
[00:19:32] day, throughout the day, at least eat at night before going to sleep, the French
[00:19:36] is tremendous, uh, you realize why people cannot
[00:19:40] face the payment of that loan, take responsibility for the
[00:19:43] commitment they made, Brian's situation must be similar, this is
[00:19:46] repeated, but uh I don't know if we can enter Rodo, I ask you if
[00:19:50] we have light to be able to enter because she said they didn't have light just now
[00:19:54] and maybe I'm putting you in an uncomfortable situation dear dear Rodo
[00:19:57] Morel, no, there it goes, there because what's left for Jimena to sell,
[00:20:01] she sold the, she sold the door, she sold
[00:20:04] the entrance door to her house to be able to pay.
[00:20:11] I think Rodo mentioned the kitchen at some point, now she has
[00:20:15] three small beds, a couple of mattresses and nothing
[00:20:17] more to sell, if they sell the mattresses, they sleep on the
[00:20:21] floor, Jimena, there's nothing
[00:20:23] left,
[00:20:28] yes, no, it's the only thing I have left, this is the only thing you have left, the
[00:20:31] mattress and the trundle bed, that's it,
[00:20:33] yes, this is it...
[00:20:41] How many live there, Jimena, do you have another room, do you have a kitchen, do you have a bathroom, you have
[00:20:44] nothing, how can you not, no, no, no, no, no, I use my mom's
[00:20:48] bathroom and for cooking, well, now that because I sold the stove,
[00:20:51] I cook with my mom's stove, how many live
[00:20:54] there, Jimena, the sheet metal I had for a roof, uh, here
[00:20:58] there are four of us, my three kids and I,
[00:21:01] uh, yes, there are three, there are four of us, yes, because my other
[00:21:05] daughter is uh, uh,
[00:21:08] sleeping with my mom, well,
[00:21:11] clear, so you have your mom, the truth is it shouldn't be the situation because you are
[00:21:15] trying to progress, but you have
[00:21:19] cooking. with raising your children yes, but until when can an elderly adult help
[00:21:23] her daughter with five children, no, and besides she tried to finish, until
[00:21:26] when, have a business, no because my mom also has health problems,
[00:21:30] for this, Jime, Brian, the same thing happens to you, did you have to
[00:21:33] sell your belongings, Brian, until
[00:21:38] unfortunately I don't have many things, Brian can't speak,
[00:21:41] he's very bad, uh, I don't have many
[00:21:44] valuable things and what I have of value is from my
[00:21:47] children.
[00:21:52] but I really haven't reached that point but
[00:21:54] instead of selling my things I had to try
[00:21:56] to do odd jobs as I told you what do you know how to do what do you know how to do
[00:22:00] uh everything can be communicated, bricklayer,
[00:22:03] cut roofs, fixed roofs, I was
[00:22:07] a gastronomist, a hustler, I was a gastronomist for 12 years,
[00:22:10] Brian, phone, do you want to give your phone number on air and that if the people
[00:22:14] can give you a small job, if they can
[00:22:17] help you uh
[00:22:50] to ask for messages about how they threaten him, yes
[00:22:52] uh uh I didn't want to get to that point
[00:22:56] of not talking, yes, I'm afraid for my family, but
[00:22:59] are you afraid they'll go to your house and harm your wife and children? That's
[00:23:03] what I said when I arrived, but I didn't know, I apologize,
[00:23:06] I didn't know, I apologize, uh, I apologize on air, I didn't
[00:23:10] know, but why, uh, why are you afraid, do they live near your
[00:23:13] house? I have, don't
[00:23:16] give out data, but I have two children, I have two children with disabilities and I'm
[00:23:20] afraid of
[00:23:23] they already are with their issues, do your children
[00:23:26] know about this situation, no, you, you
[00:23:29] are you living with someone besides your children, uh, no,
[00:23:32] no, it's just you with your children, yes, so I had
[00:23:36] to unfortunately
[00:23:39] ask for resources from my mom, my
[00:23:45] money, my mom is retired, they live alone and
[00:23:50] they helped me up to a point, but
[00:23:53] we told you, just relax, we'll be back with you, Rodo, go ahead, you're with Jimena, Jimena
[00:23:57] is there seeing this, if
[00:24:00] she receives any message, if there's a message to help Jimena, yes,
[00:24:04] Caro, whatever you have, don't interrupt,
[00:24:07] absolute priority, the people who communicate with us and want to
[00:24:11] give some kind of help, whatever it is, Robert, what should people do when they are in
[00:24:14] such an extreme situation, no, I got fired, I don't have an odd job, I don't have a
[00:24:18] penny, I have to pay. the electricity, the gas, phone, feed my children, I go
[00:24:22] or I don't go to the moneylender, the first thing to say is that
[00:24:26] people go to the moneylender because it's their last resort and the only resort, what's
[00:24:30] missing is a policy from the
[00:24:32] state, also let's look at the neatness that Jime has in her house, in her
[00:24:36] home, in her things, how she has everything cared for, and in Brian's
[00:24:39] case let's see how he has the will to work and to continue
[00:24:43] working, he worked 12 years and they fired him while he was
[00:24:46] unregistered, that's what can't continue.
[00:25:02] You know what happens to us, we question the poor and I'm sure that on the other side there will be a lot of
[00:25:06] people who will also tell us and but he went to buy a
[00:25:09] barbecue, guys, at some point one has to be able to treat themselves,
[00:25:13] we're not talking about going to Miami, to
[00:25:16] Disney, we're talking about a piece of meat to eat,
[00:25:20] to enjoy with the family, that's not a treat, it's not a luxury, guys,
[00:25:23] Argentina is very bad if we believe that a little piece of
[00:25:27] barbecue on the grill is a luxury, the
[00:25:30] minimum wage went from buying 43 kg of barbecue
[00:25:33] to buying only 20 kg of barbecue, that's the reality of what
[00:25:37] is happening in Argentina, let's go back with Jimena, come on Rodo, we're listening to you, you're there with
[00:25:40] Jim, Rodo, come on,
[00:25:43] let's go, you know what caught my attention Dani was
[00:25:47] how the loan modality is. so
[00:25:50] alternative beyond virtual wallets or
[00:25:53] banked Jimena has to pay a
[00:25:56] daily amount of 1800 pesos and if she doesn't collect
[00:26:00] that money in the day.
[00:26:03] they add an interest of 500 pesos per
[00:26:06] day, I mean, realize that she has to generate
[00:26:09] 23 pesos per day to pay for a day of
[00:26:12] debt, yes, that multiplied by
[00:26:15] 30, which is the whole month, from
[00:26:18] not having income because the job she had at the store did not
[00:26:22] sell, she started selling her things and from
[00:26:26] that delinquency comes
[00:26:29] another yes to offer you money without taking into account...
[00:27:02] surcharge plan, which is 10,000 pesos more, so if you didn't have 20 today, tomorrow
[00:27:06] you have to have 50, okay, clear Dani, and Ana, because Jimena told me that the
[00:27:10] logic is that many times we fell or we fall, she
[00:27:13] takes out a second loan to be able to
[00:27:15] cover the first one, the desperation, and
[00:27:18] she couldn't a little
[00:27:21] like that, the desperation, yes,
[00:27:25] because wanting to comply with both
[00:27:28] those who lend to you, because I always said they are doing me a favor, and when I
[00:27:31] needed it, they gave me a hand, so I need to pay them back, but
[00:27:35] well, it's for thinking, I think, a little like
[00:27:39] that, it was that I went crazy, and well, I had the first suicide attempt because
[00:27:42] there was
[00:27:45] no way,
[00:27:48] I had bought things to sell and I didn't sell anything, so what do you sell, Gime,
[00:27:52] what do you sell or what do you know how to do also, what do you sell, Gime, what do you have to
[00:27:56] sell?
[00:27:58] I now have floor cloths, deodorant,
[00:28:03] eh, cutlery, eh, well, a little bit of everything,
[00:28:06] let's say, and then clothes, used clothes that I have
[00:28:09] also, that I had left over from the store, I have a lot left over, and you say that nothing is
[00:28:13] sold, you go out to the street or you go to a fair and people don't
[00:28:17] buy, they don't even spend on a floor
[00:28:19] cloth.
[00:28:21] No, no, the other
[00:28:25] day I went, I went for a while with my daughter, it was
[00:28:28] nice, I went to sell, I had only sold 1,500
[00:28:32] pesos, 1,500, how many hours did you spend to sell 1,500
[00:28:35] pesos? I didn't even pay for the bus. 3 hours, 3
[00:28:39] hours, 1,500 pesos, you don't even pay for a black bus. I see
[00:28:42] a pot behind you. Did you cook today in the pot behind you in the
[00:28:45] context of what is not? No, that's the food that
[00:28:48] was prepared for the dog. Oh, it's the dog food, because I was going to ask you if you ate lunch
[00:28:52] today.
[00:28:52] No.
[00:28:56] You didn't eat?
[00:28:59] No, no, and the kids?
[00:29:03] Uh, no, not either, because, well, on weekends, we stay up late
[00:29:07] always watching videos,
[00:29:10] and, well, they wake up late, so if they wake
[00:29:13] up now, they have some tea, and I cook at night. I'm going to
[00:29:16] translate, and I could be
[00:29:19] wrong. Staying up late watching videos is not
[00:29:22] lazy. It's not lazy people,
[00:29:26] but it's a mechanism to trick the kids
[00:29:29] into sleeping late, into waking
[00:29:33] up late, and not remembering that they have to eat lunch because
[00:29:36] there's nothing to eat. I'm telling those on the other side, it's a mechanism that people
[00:29:40] who don't have a penny today use because the kids wake up late today,
[00:29:44] Saturday, so they have a mate cocido with something left over,
[00:29:47] bread perhaps, so they end up saving lunch, that's
[00:29:51] fine, no, but it's the reality for many people, it's not
[00:29:55] laziness, but it's necessity, and you have to trick your stomach, do you understand what
[00:29:59] I'm saying? Is it correct, Jim, what I'm saying? No?
[00:30:03] Yes, it is, it is, it
[00:30:07] is, it's like that in many places, we have a very big problem if
[00:30:10] we think that our kids, and when I say our kids, I'm talking
[00:30:14] about the youngest of absolutely all
[00:30:17] families, because
[00:30:20] mom and dad want to have a treat, and a treat
[00:30:24] has to be a barbecue, then they can't eat all
[00:30:27] day. Look how bad things are that if the treats end
[00:30:31] up being... only some little meal that we make for the day,
[00:30:35] really the situation is very bad, Caro, we repeat the phone number,
[00:30:39] and if there's any message, we'll read it, exactly, well, we repeat the phone number for all of you
[00:30:43] who are on the other side, 11 61 76 56
[00:30:46] 92 for you to send us your message, if you also want to collaborate, if
[00:30:50] you want to help, we will be reading here live, now I also ask the
[00:30:54] following
[00:30:55] um
[00:30:59] you are going to