CRONICA — broadcast 20261012 080000 UTC 487 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] It means that it's not the usual consumer [00:00:03] who enters those portals where sex is offered [00:00:06] or a sexual encounter, not where [00:00:10] you pay for that, the famous online, for example, or other [00:00:13] portals, but that these, since they are [00:00:16] web, the web or the dark web, where they want a different [00:00:20] search engine, oh wait, wait because it's even more serious, you still have to have [00:00:24] a different starter key, have a different car [00:00:27] engine. [00:00:30] Yes, and worse and it's more complex, I mean for any of us who don't have, [00:00:34] clearly, any of us who don't have that [00:00:36] when what knowledge can't easily enter, it's not something that's available to [00:00:40] everyone. They are users, obviously, and they [00:00:43] usually are adults of legal age because [00:00:47] it's complex to enter. Now we know that minors come with an [00:00:50] Brian? So far agility for handling it for evil, basically, because they could [00:00:54] use it for something good. 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My daughter sold everything, [00:07:50] she tried to [00:07:51] commit suicide. [00:07:54] We are working live, Rodo Morel tells us, Rodo, good [00:07:57] Saturday. [00:07:59] What are you doing, Dani? It's not a good Saturday for Graciela, who is Jimena's [00:08:03] mother, who is the daughter. We are in [00:08:07] the federal capital. Nothing Jimena sold was enough [00:08:11] to pay that amount that you well said, she sold [00:08:15] everything from window frames, sheets [00:08:18] from her room, the [00:08:21] kitchen, the refrigerator, a [00:08:24] box spring, well, nothing is [00:08:27] enough for a loan, then [00:08:31] she took out another one to cover the first one, then she had to [00:08:34] take out a third one to pay the first and second, [00:08:37] she had to take out a fourth one to see if she could face the [00:08:41] third, the second, and the first. She owes four [00:08:44] loans, she lost her [00:08:47] essential income which was selling clothes here in José [00:08:50] C. Paz, it's a chaotic situation, on top of that, as [00:08:54] you well said, with this decision she made of a [00:08:58] suicide attempt, well, everything is very chaotic, we are with Jimena, [00:09:01] we are with Graciela, well, Jimena, everything [00:09:05] starts from what? You started having, like every [00:09:08] entrepreneurship, the dream of having a job, you started having a... [00:09:12] clothing store, is that right? A clothing store, used clothes, new clothes, [00:09:15] I had a bit of everything, well, I started well at first, [00:09:19] then sales started to [00:09:22] drop. To be able to have more [00:09:26] and have a big store, I took out a [00:09:29] loan, I started paying, then it [00:09:32] became difficult because nothing was selling, [00:09:35] I asked for another one to cover part of that and [00:09:39] be able to buy more things, then it got complicated with the second one. [00:09:43] I asked for a third one to cover a bit of the first, the [00:09:47] second and buy more merchandise, [00:09:50] that also got complicated, another one appeared, offered me [00:09:53] another and I took that too to cover part of the [00:09:56] rent, to cover the others, but it [00:10:00] wasn't enough and when I realized I already had [00:10:03] five daily payment lenders that I couldn't pay, [00:10:07] I ended up asking for monthly, it got complicated again [00:10:11] and until I couldn't take it anymore and on April [00:10:14] 4th I had my first suicide [00:10:17] attempt that they saved me in the [00:10:20] hospital and and well now what I have left is [00:10:24] to be able to... pay, I can't find work, I go out to sell at the fair and some days it [00:10:28] sells, some days it doesn't, I started selling [00:10:31] food, I also sold well for a week, then [00:10:35] nothing sold, now on August 28th [00:10:39] I tried to throw myself under the train, no, please, but [00:10:42] well, I don't know, something made me come back [00:10:45] home, Jimena, [00:10:49] room where Jimena sleeps, you are a mother of how many children? Five, [00:10:52] five, I have five children, four with [00:10:56] me, the oldest got together because she has a [00:10:59] girl and and well [00:11:03] so I'm with the four youngest children in this room that we are [00:11:06] showing, we see how many [00:11:10] beds, three beds, you sleep there, how many [00:11:13] people? I sleep in one below with the youngest [00:11:16] child, in the other bed sleeps my 17-year-old son, [00:11:20] and in the other sleeps my 11-year-old son, my 13-year-old daughter doesn't [00:11:24] sleep with me, she sleeps with my mom because well, I [00:11:27] sold the box springs, the two box springs I had, so [00:11:31] she had to sleep with my mom, I mean, right? Now [00:12:00] note, Dani, the last thing, she doesn't have a [00:12:03] door in her room, I say room not because it's like [00:12:07] her home, it's what she made into a room and that's fine, [00:12:11] obviously. Rodo, I'm sorry, Rodo, are you telling [00:12:14] me that she doesn't have an access door? She doesn't have, she doesn't have a [00:12:18] door directly, the house doesn't have doors. [00:12:21] No. Because the other [00:12:24] half, the house was longer, the other [00:12:27] half, since I had no money and my sister had nowhere to live, [00:12:31] I sold her half last year and a [00:12:34] wall was built. I had the door to put it, but since [00:12:37] I was building last year and had bought everything to [00:12:40] be able to finish, well, then [00:12:43] I sold doors and everything and didn't put the door. I had a curtain too [00:12:47] that I took off now because well, with the rain I had to wash [00:12:50] it. Yes, that is, you sold the door of your house [00:12:54] to... be able to cancel part of the loan, she sold half of the house, that is, [00:12:58] you sold almost everything, right? That is, I sold [00:13:01] everything. Yes, and and how much [00:13:04] do you still have left for these beds, hopefully? How much do you owe [00:13:08] today now to cover and be calm? [00:13:11] Yes, to cover and be calm, to be able to sleep [00:13:15] calmly, it's approximately 5 million, 5 [00:13:18] million pesos. No, and and [00:13:21] she sold practically everything she has in the house to be able [00:13:25] to fill the gap, no, the desperation, I don't want to get into the [00:13:28] other thing that Rodo was saying, which is the intention of taking her own life, do you [00:13:32] have support, do you have a professional who is [00:13:35] accompanying you? I, I was in [00:13:38] treatment, I [00:13:41] left the treatment because the pills were I had to take two [00:13:45] a day and I lived totally drugged, which meant I couldn't help [00:13:49] my mom with the kids, my mom is an elderly lady, which [00:13:52] was too much of a burden for her, so... and leaving the [00:13:55] treatment, in the second suicide attempt I had, my mom didn't [00:13:59] take me to the hospital, because if they took me, they would [00:14:02] intern me, they told me it would be from 15 days to a [00:14:05] month and that was too much for her to stay with the [00:14:08] kids, right? So, that's why I'm not hospitalized, let [00:14:12] me see if I understand, you had to choose between being hospitalized and [00:14:16] recovering and leaving the burden of raising your children [00:14:19] to your mom, or not being hospitalized and giving [00:14:23] your old lady a hand and taking care of your children. [00:14:25] Even with the suffering of having, having tried to [00:14:29] take your own life, it's a terrible story, it's [00:14:32] terrible. Where, I ask the following, where [00:14:35] are you living, because maybe people [00:14:39] can come, they can donate a bed, they can donate [00:14:43] some bricks, they can donate cement, they can donate the door, they [00:14:46] can help you in some way so that you [00:14:49] little by little and with some things can get ahead, where do you live, [00:14:53] where is your house located? And street. [00:14:56] José C. Paz, La Paz neighborhood, the street is Andrés [00:15:00] Blanqui 3628. [00:15:02] Well, wait, when Rodo, our colleague, Jimena, [00:15:06] dear, was talking about threats, [00:15:08] how long have you been suffering these threats and [00:15:12] how are they? In what way do they [00:15:14] threaten you? [00:15:17] Uh, no, look, the Colombians, I have lenders who don't rush [00:15:21] me, they know my situation and they are not rushing me, yes. [00:15:25] The monthly ones, the daily ones that I owe them, that it's already [00:15:28] going to be 8 months, [00:15:32] they are Colombians who come on motorcycles, I don't know their names [00:15:35] because yes. The monthly ones you owe are Argentinians, [00:15:39] they are lenders who know you, they are Argentinians, they say I understand [00:15:43] you, I'll give you a little more time, now the Colombians keep threatening you every [00:15:47] day, they are the ones who charge you daily, no, and and when they tell you [00:15:51] the threats that are in person, they approach with the motorcycle, your [00:15:53] house, [00:15:56] and they don't want, what they tell you is no, this can get worse, the [00:16:00] others will come and they don't have, I don't have names of [00:16:04] any of them, why? Because they don't handle [00:16:07] transfers, they handle cash, because if they [00:16:11] handle transfers, if I want to report them, I'll [00:16:14] have the data, right? So what do they do, they handle cash so as not to leave [00:16:18] any trace of anything, right, right, right, and and and the and they [00:16:22] approach, it catches my attention, it worries me when he says the [00:16:25] others, because the threat, there are several, because one falls [00:16:29] into debt, no, no, but the others I think are the ones who are going to try to [00:16:33] assassinate her, because the ones who threaten her with death, it's [00:16:36] like that, Jimena. Do you interpret the same as me when they tell you the others are the ones who do the dirty [00:16:40] work? [00:16:43] Of course, well, the last time I attended to them, because [00:16:46] after that I told my brother to directly tell [00:16:49] them that I wasn't there, many times they came when I was [00:16:53] at my appointment with the psychiatrist or psychologist, and [00:16:56] I just said, well, I'm going to tell them I'm at the doctor, I would tell [00:17:00] them, because the last time I spoke, [00:17:04] one of them just said, I want the money and I want it now, I don't care about [00:17:07] your problems, so I just said, well, you have food every day, sometimes I don't [00:17:11] even have enough to buy a packet of rice for my children, I tell him, so [00:17:15] understand that I don't have it, because I'm giving him an idea, I tell him, so he [00:17:19] knows my situation, I tell him, I have things [00:17:22] to sell, I tell him, but well, at the moment they don't [00:17:26] sell and the one who threatens me the most is one to whom I [00:17:29] owe only five installments of [00:17:32] 18, so that's the most dangerous with the surcharge, I don't know if they are [00:17:35] armed when they go, of course. [00:17:45] Do you see armed people, do they show you weapons, do they show you knives? No, I can't say anything, no, no, no, no, it's just like they think that because they are Colombians, one has to be afraid of them, okay, I [00:17:48] don't, I mean, I'm not afraid of [00:17:51] them, but you know, you can never be, but you have to be cautious in [00:17:55] life. Wait, I'll add Robert, Robert, you [00:17:58] who are an economist and who live by numbers every day, dear [00:18:03] Jimena's situation, how many people go directly? [00:18:07] To a scammer, not to a Colombian as they say in the neighborhoods, it's the [00:18:11] derivative and since it cannot be measured, there is no measurement, what we can [00:18:14] see is the systemic that today with the [00:18:18] banking system 12.8% [00:18:23] the fintech system 33%, but what [00:18:26] these lenders are not in any system, no, that's why it's difficult to [00:18:30] measure it, what we are also talking about in the fintech [00:18:33] system of debts of 100,000 pesos, 200,000 pesos and. [00:18:37] When people end up, exactly, [00:18:40] they are small debts, exactly, and the other [00:18:44] problem that is seen that is also derived [00:18:48] what is homicide in occasion of robbery 3.5 [00:18:53] has shot up these last two years is the number of suicides which is at [00:18:57] 11.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, which is [00:19:00] saying that this problem that Jimena is showing, that is happening to [00:19:04] her, that she is living, a lot of people are living. [00:19:08] Look, speaking of a lot of people, Gime, don't go, Gime, nod, I'll ask you a question [00:19:12] now, Gime, that has to do with the rest of the neighbors in the [00:19:16] neighborhood, how many neighbors are, [00:19:19] I'm not saying in a similar situation, but who went to the [00:19:22] lender, you'll answer me now, why? Because [00:19:25] there are many people who are [00:19:28] just like Jimena, there's Brian, no, Brian, [00:19:32] hello, Brian, how are you, Brian arrived at the channel door, you tell me if [00:19:36] I'm lying or not? [00:19:40] You arrived at the channel door desperate asking for help because you can't take it anymore, [00:19:43] even crying, yes, they found you crying at the channel door asking [00:19:47] please for us to give you a hand, you are also a victim of the loans from the [00:19:51] Colombians, no. Not Colombian, but people from the neighborhood [00:19:54] who well, today due to [00:19:58] circumstances, due to not having much [00:20:01] work, I was also [00:20:04] fired from a job, three years off the [00:20:08] books, they fired me with a cause that is [00:20:12] fine, I had to miss work for health reasons [00:20:16] of my own, but as a guard they didn't want to give me a certificate, they fired me and [00:20:20] so that's why I was left with all this debt [00:20:22] that unfortunately today it became [00:20:26] it became a lot, it's [00:20:29] a matter of no, but you had your job, you had to miss work for [00:20:33] personal reasons, and at what point did you incur this debt? Was [00:20:36] it when you were working and I [00:20:40] was asking one before, before having that [00:20:44] job, I already had a loan, why? [00:20:47] Because we are in a difficult situation and I see you very [00:20:51] emotional, we will do our best to help you, Brian, but I want to [00:20:55] understand why you get to that point, I mean what are the debts with [00:20:58] paying the rent, with paying the utilities, with [00:21:02] supporting your children, I don't know if you have my children, yes, I have three children [00:21:06] and [00:21:08] I went into debt for them also, so [00:21:11] that today you can't afford a [00:21:14] luxury, but to give them a luxury [00:21:17] that much no no it wasn't really [00:21:21] possible and and well today [00:21:26] happened happened, the debt got [00:21:30] stuck, I was paying, I was paying until at some [00:21:33] point it was too much, so much waiting, the [00:21:36] interest went up a lot and in the daily life, Brian, when you talk [00:21:40] about luxuries, you talk about going to the [00:21:43] movies, no, special food, I don't know, a [00:21:46] barbecue, [00:21:48] something for the house, because today directly you can't afford [00:21:52] many luxuries, how is the economy, how is [00:21:56] everything, I honestly it's that, being able to go out, [00:21:59] yes, why not, but wait, because when you get [00:22:03] fired from a job and you don't have the possibility of doing odd jobs, you don't think about [00:22:08] what you think about is feeding the kids, how many kids do you have? I have [00:22:12] three underage kids, all underage. [00:22:16] How much was the amount of the first loan you took out? [00:22:19] 500,000. 500,000 and they demanded you pay it back [00:22:23] in how many installments? Of what amount? From one month to the next. From one [00:22:27] month to the next and how much did you have to pay for 500, how much did you have to return? One [00:22:30] million. Double, double. [00:22:33] And how do you return a million if you don't have a job? You bet on [00:22:36] getting an odd job, finding some little job. Of course, paying it off and paying [00:22:40] quickly by week for the odd jobs I was doing [00:22:44] and no, yes. There wasn't, no, there wasn't because there was no [00:22:47] solution because it was either feed them and save and give [00:22:51] it to them, no. Feed them and now how much do you owe, [00:22:54] Brian, today, approximately [00:22:56] 5 [00:22:59] million, the same as Jimena, the same amount [00:23:02] as Jimena. Jimena was talking about five million, Brian is talking about 5 [00:23:05] million. [00:23:09] A huge debt that you can't control. There are two [00:23:12] things here, there is a clear intention from Jimena and Brian [00:23:16] to take out the loan out of necessity, not to buy televisions but to [00:23:21] feed their children, even Jimena betting on buying merchandise to sell and for her [00:23:25] business to resurface, the one she had set up, do you want us to go to some message, Black, to [00:23:29] see what people tell us? Well, we ask people [00:23:32] then to send us a message too if they also want to help this person, [00:23:36] 1161765692. [00:23:38] We await your messages and collaboration from everyone. Well, Brian, we will continue with you because [00:23:42] Jimena is here, come on, let's go, we are with [00:23:45] again we wanted to ask you about this that [00:23:48] you were just mentioning, [00:23:51] the food, the daily life, you said that you had five children, therefore [00:23:54] I imagine it must be very difficult [00:23:58] to have the money for the plate of food every day, are you also [00:24:02] complicated with that? Do you have a job now, how do you [00:24:05] get by? [00:24:07] I don't have a job, I go out when it doesn't rain [00:24:11] to sell at the fairs, I had bought some [00:24:14] merchandise, things to sell [00:24:17] on the street, I have a lot left because I couldn't [00:24:21] sell it, it doesn't [00:24:24] the food issue, my mom is helping me, but it's also [00:24:28] difficult for her and there are days when she doesn't have any and it's [00:24:32] trying to see where we can get something so they have at least a [00:24:36] plate of food at night, if we don't get it during the day, we have to get it for the [00:24:39] night now, I'm going to ask you, this is [00:24:43] tremendous what she said, but it's a plate of food per day, if you don't eat during [00:24:47] the day, throughout the day, at least eat at night. [00:24:52] There you realize why people can't face the payment [00:24:55] of that loan, take responsibility for what they took on, Brian's [00:24:59] issue must be the same, this [00:25:14] what's left for Jimena to sell? She sold the, she sold the [00:25:17] door, she sold the door of her [00:25:21] house to be able to pay the loan. [00:25:24] She sold a box spring, I think Rodo mentioned the kitchen [00:25:28] at some point, now she has three small beds, a couple of mattresses and [00:25:32] nothing else to sell. If she sells the mattresses, they sleep on [00:25:35] the floor, Jimena, there's nothing [00:25:37] left. [00:25:43] The only thing I have left is this, this is the only thing you have left, the mattress and the trundle bed, that's [00:25:46] all. [00:25:51] This is all they have here, how many people live here, Jimena? Do you have another [00:25:55] room, do you have a kitchen, do you have a bathroom, you have nothing? [00:25:58] No, no, [00:26:01] no, the bathroom is my mom's and for cooking, well, now that [00:26:05] I sold the kitchen, I cook with my mom's kitchen. [00:26:09] How many live there, Jimena? The sheet that I had for the roof, [00:26:12] there are four of us here, my three kids and [00:26:15] me. [00:26:17] Yes, there are three, there are four of us, yes, because my other daughter [00:26:20] is sleeping with my [00:26:24] mom. Well, sure, so you have your mom, the [00:26:27] truth is it shouldn't be the situation because you are trying to progress, but [00:26:31] you say you have your mom who can help you. to help with cooking, with [00:26:35] raising your children, but until when can an older adult help her daughter with five [00:26:38] children? Not that she was trying to start a business, until [00:26:41] when to have a business, right? Because my mom has health problems [00:26:45] too, for this Jime, Brian, does the [00:26:49] same thing happen to you? You had to sell your belongings, [00:26:53] not really, because unfortunately I don't have much, he can't [00:26:56] speak, he's very upset, uh, I don't have [00:27:00] many valuable things, and the valuable things I have are my [00:27:04] children's, but really [00:27:07] I haven't reached that point, but [00:27:11] uh, nothing, instead of selling my things I had to try to do odd jobs as I told you, what [00:27:14] do you know how to do, what do you know how to do? Uh, everything, you [00:27:17] can communicate, bricklayer, cut [00:27:20] grass, fix roofs, they fixed roofs, I was a [00:27:23] gastronomic worker, a hustler, I was a gastronomic worker for 12 years, [00:27:27] Brian, phone number, do you want to give a phone number on air and maybe people can give you an [00:27:31] odd job, if they can, our phone number is, for [00:27:34] us to take advantage of the real-time phone number for Saturday so that people [00:27:38] can send a message again, [00:27:40] 116176 56 92, let them send [00:27:44] messages to help you too and everything they want to send us [00:27:47] 11 6176 56 92, well Brian, stop [00:27:50] and uh Brian, [00:27:53] are they going to threaten you at your doorstep as Jimena said, [00:27:56] uh, they send me messages, do you have messages [00:28:00] there? Uh yes, the production will ask for them now, [00:28:03] guys, someone from production, ask for the messages of how they threaten him, yes, [00:28:07] uh, uh, to that point that I didn't want [00:28:10] to reach, yes, I'm scared for my [00:28:13] family, but are you scared that they will go to your house and get your [00:28:16] family because that's what I said when I arrived, but [00:28:20] I didn't know, I apologize, I didn't know, I apologize, everything is fine, I [00:28:24] apologize on air, I didn't know, but why uh, why are you scared? Do they live near [00:28:27] your house? Yes, I have, don't give [00:28:30] details but tell us, I have two children with disabilities and I'm [00:28:34] afraid of [00:28:37] they are already scared with their issue, do your children [00:28:41] know about this situation? No, are you [00:28:44] living with someone besides your children? Uh, no, [00:28:47] no, it's just you with your children, yes, I had [00:28:50] to unfortunately [00:28:54] ask for resources from my mom and [00:29:00] money, my mom is a retiree. They live alone, [00:29:05] helped me to a point, but well, unfortunately, that's what we [00:29:08] told you, calm down, we'll be back with you, Rodo, go ahead, you're with Jimena, Jimena [00:29:12] is there watching, [00:29:14] uh, if she receives any message, if there's a message to help [00:29:17] Jimena, yes, Caro, whatever you have, you're not going to [00:29:20] interrupt, right? Absolute priority to the people who [00:29:24] communicate with us and who want to offer some kind of help or whatever, [00:29:27] Robert, what should people do when they are in this extreme situation? [00:29:31] I was fired, I don't have a job, I don't have a dime, I have to pay for electricity, [00:29:35] gas, phone, feed my children, I go, I don't go to the [00:29:37] loan shark, the first thing to say is that people go to the [00:29:41] loan shark because it's their last resort and the only resort, what's missing is [00:29:45] a policy from the state, also let's see, in both [00:29:49] Jimena's case, the neatness she has in her house, in her [00:29:52] home, in her things, how she takes care of everything, and in Brian's [00:29:56] case, let's see how he has the will to work and keep [00:29:59] working, he worked for 12 years and they fired him... while [00:30:03] working informally, that's what can't keep happening, it can't keep happening that [00:30:06] if you don't pay something you can go to jail, but if you don't pay employer [00:30:10] contributions, nothing happens, then when they come and we only [00:30:14] question the poor, you know what happens to us, we question the [00:30:17] poor, I'm sure that on the other side there will be a lot of people who [00:30:21] will also tell us, but he went to buy a barbecue, guys, at some [00:30:25] point you have to be able to treat yourself, we're not talking about [00:30:29] going to Miami, to Disney, we're talking [00:30:32] about a piece of meat to eat and to enjoy with the family, that's not a [00:30:36] treat, it's not a luxury, guys, Argentina is very bad if we [00:30:40] believe that a piece of barbecue on the grill is a [00:30:43] luxury, the minimum wage went from buying 43 [00:30:47] kg of barbecue to buying only 20 kg of barbecue, [00:30:50] that's the reality of what's happening in Argentina, let's see, we're back with Jimena, go ahead Rodo, we [00:30:54] hear you, you're there with Jim, Rodo, [00:30:57] go ahead, you know what I...