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[00:00:00] they leave the house, they leave the minor alone and the dog
[00:00:04] goes through a skylight, they had gone to pick up their daughter who was rollerblading,
[00:00:07] when they return they find that the dog
[00:00:10] was massacring him, was doing it, these
[00:00:13] killer dogs directly pull and tear, well, the child was
[00:00:17] screaming in agony,
[00:00:21] imagine a bloodbath, no, terrible, it was terrible and they
[00:00:25] couldn't get the dog off, they couldn't get it off, these are dogs
[00:00:28] that when they... get that way, it's very difficult and they don't respond to the
[00:00:32] owner, they don't respond to anyone, that's
[00:00:35] why the end of this creature, this Homero who
[00:00:39] may he rest in peace, my little angel, it must have been terrible because
[00:00:43] you know what, he didn't even realize the dog entered, the dog
[00:00:46] knew the child was there and the jealousy, because many times it's the jealousy
[00:00:50] of animals being inside their home, that leads to
[00:00:54] these misfortunes,
[00:00:56] sadly eh, he couldn't tell the story.
[00:01:00] Eh Homero, barely 4 years old, is no longer with us today and
[00:01:05] other times apply, from the moment of the godmother is indeed detained and she is rightly
[00:01:08] detained, she is responsible for leaving him alone, involuntary
[00:01:11] manslaughter, it's strange that she has a
[00:01:15] crime with such a penalty of expectation that they would have detained her.
[00:01:18] Perhaps we need to calm things down a bit
[00:01:21] and in a week she will be released.
[00:01:24] What happens, Pampa, is that we remember that today, involuntary
[00:01:28] manslaughter in traffic accidents, generally
[00:01:30] today they detain you because you know who they want? They want people to start
[00:01:33] learning, they want them to start learning and to be more
[00:01:36] responsible, in this case leaving a 4-year-old alone, but
[00:01:40] the thing is, why do you raise an animal in such a way that it's
[00:01:43] like a loaded weapon? Why do they do that?
[00:01:47] Animals are territorial, that's the thing, but it's how they are
[00:01:50] raised, the animal
[00:01:53] happiness, but incredible what isn't born that way, they raise it to be a
[00:01:56] kind of, of course, many times it's stigmatized that it's a pitbull, I mean, but no... one
[00:02:00] second because we are already in the territory of the unbeatable kids, how are you doing,
[00:02:03] kids, how are you doing, again we have to report a
[00:02:07] tragedy of this magnitude, it's a horror, a horror, it's tremendous, anyway
[00:02:11] I have, I have an opinion on that, it's how they are raised, but also
[00:02:15] it's the type of bite that this animal has, which
[00:02:18] ethologically, that is, due to the type of breed, makes it more dangerous because
[00:02:22] when it bites it tears, because another
[00:02:25] dog, a poodle it's called, of course, a poodle or a
[00:02:28] small dog like the one you have can bite you because it might be badly
[00:02:32] raised, let's say, or badly
[00:02:33] educated.
[00:02:37] Of course, anyway, a dog that attacks a 4-year-old child of medium size
[00:02:41] is, well, it's impossible. Unfortunately, it's terrible, we have to
[00:02:44] say that there are a lot of
[00:02:46] this of these breeds that the dogs turn out good and don't do anything, they are the typical ones that don't
[00:02:50] bite, but what I mean is if you have one that you see is a
[00:02:54] bit aggressive, it's complicated. It's a weapon you have in your house, that is,
[00:02:59] Belén Fraga, the character that made her having one of these and
[00:03:01] training it so it doesn't attack anyone, I think it's more serious that people raise the dog
[00:03:05] to be a deterrent, of course, a deterrent
[00:03:09] against possible robberies or things like that, which for a long
[00:03:12] time years
[00:03:14] Rottweiler, well, I had my dog for 12 years, you trained it in a
[00:03:17] way, no, I had her trained and she was the best dog in the world, so I never had the problem of her biting
[00:03:21] anyone, but to walk her, you walk her with a leash, with a leash and she was
[00:03:25] fierce with dogs, so I never got distracted so she wouldn't attack
[00:03:29] juvenile court to file an official any dog because it was always a disadvantage for the other dog because it's a Rottweiler,
[00:03:32] so always on a leash, taking care of her and well, everyone
[00:03:37] eat, from was afraid, but I mean that after having that dog, I would never again
[00:03:40] have a dog that can bite
[00:03:43] because it's a
[00:03:45] responsibility
[00:03:48] for your daughter to play, look,
[00:03:50] and it's true, it when the dog ended its life, the last year
[00:03:53] she was sick, you don't know, no one could, you couldn't get close to the dog
[00:03:57] because it hurt her, she would lash out. It was complicated,
[00:04:00] so I had raised her all my life, she never did anything and suddenly she bites,
[00:04:04] she bites hard, she has teeth like this, no, besides they tear, they have a type of
[00:04:08] bite that pulls, they
[00:04:10] tear you off,
[00:04:12] it's a horror, now there's a whole bill for a long time and now they
[00:04:17] close loss, or is it something that you have presented it again for what is called responsible ownership, because
[00:04:20] if you have a dog of this nature
[00:04:22] critical moment of you have to walk it with a leash, yes, with a
[00:04:24] muzzle, with a tag that identifies
[00:04:28] that dog with a specific.
[00:04:37] Well guys, we're going to start unbeatable, we invite you if you want to stay watching the program, have a good
[00:04:41] week, enjoy the rest of the holiday, we will be here
[00:04:45] until 4 in the afternoon, you are in unbeatable, you are in Crónica.
[00:05:00] And this is the first of the topics we have today, Valentín
[00:05:04] Shan, heartbreaking
[00:05:07] testimony in an article he did in Infobae, let's
[00:05:10] analyze it and let's show you.
[00:05:13] The most important moments of this interview he gave, eh, it left
[00:05:16] us all stunned,
[00:05:20] furthermore, a new femicide, this
[00:05:24] happened in Rosario, the body of a woman who was intensely
[00:05:27] searched for by her family, appeared in a
[00:05:30] suitcase, in a little while we will have all the
[00:05:32] details,
[00:05:40] and also long lines for... a job, we will be live
[00:05:43] there with the Crónica mobile talking to people,
[00:05:47] what are their expectations, how much they want to earn, how long they have been
[00:05:50] out of work, today unbeatable, until 4 in the afternoon, come on, it's a holiday,
[00:06:06] until 2 in the afternoon, we are live unbeatable, this is the topic of the day and
[00:06:09] this is the face that left us over the weekend. A terrible
[00:06:13] bitter taste, the hell that not only
[00:06:16] meant for this boy, who is today a successful young man,
[00:06:20] having lost his mother when he was only 8 years old,
[00:06:23] but all the nightmare he lived afterwards at the hands of his only
[00:06:27] father, his father who was supposed to take care of him, did the
[00:06:30] opposite, left him cold food, yelled at him, pulled
[00:06:33] his hair, hit him,
[00:06:36] humiliated him, he lived a true nightmare until he could
[00:06:39] get out of there and told it for the first time, incredible, the reality that
[00:06:43] leaves everyone speechless because we have to say,
[00:06:46] Gustavo, the Shankelevich family is a
[00:06:49] very famous family in Argentina and very loved by the entire media, let's remember
[00:06:53] that Gustavo's father was the one who brought television to Argentina, he is a
[00:06:57] media person all his life where one thinks that
[00:07:00] I don't know, having everything and being able to do what they want, everything is
[00:07:05] happened to this boy, losing his mother and then all the
[00:07:09] ordeal he went through with his biological father, we would never have imagined this. And
[00:07:12] something that I was also thinking about, that grandmother, who is Cris
[00:07:16] Morena, is a grandmother trained to work with children,
[00:07:19] to warn if those children were suffering something, her own grandchildren were
[00:07:23] suffering something, I think something was happening to them, Cris and
[00:07:27] Gustavo knew it all along, that's why for me they end up taking
[00:07:31] charge and adopting in some way these two children,
[00:07:34] because what he says in the interview is that he was adopted by Gustavo, he is the one who
[00:07:38] ends up taking care of the children, so eh
[00:07:41] he probably knew, but it must not have been easy to
[00:07:44] solve that problem, let's start
[00:07:47] sharing, great interview by Tati Xapiro, our colleague, we recognize
[00:07:51] her from Infobae, great interview that manages to
[00:07:54] get moments like
[00:07:59] yours that
[00:08:01] you have every right to tell, yes,
[00:08:04] no, as I told you, there were
[00:08:07] beatings, shouting,
[00:08:09] mistreatment,
[00:08:13] I was, this is a bit, I take it
[00:08:16] comically, but I
[00:08:19] was a very bad student, I never liked studying, now the 8 hours
[00:08:23] I spent at school were the best 8 hours of the day, because I didn't go back to my
[00:08:26] house, because I didn't go back, because I knew that when I came back,
[00:08:30] hell would break loose, it was, it was
[00:08:33] constant, I knew I had no
[00:08:35] escape, that is, from grabbing me by the
[00:08:39] hair, dragging me down the stairs, hitting me, leaving me locked in the
[00:08:42] room, bringing me cold food 4 hours later,
[00:08:46] putting it on the floor, here,
[00:08:50] the person also, what beyond the beatings and
[00:08:53] violence, the person who was supposedly supposed to
[00:08:57] take care of us after losing our mother at 7
[00:09:01] years old when we lost her and this 2 years
[00:09:03] later, that is, it was
[00:09:07] all very hard, you tell me this and as a mother it breaks me,
[00:09:11] that is. It's that I have children and
[00:09:13] I think about not being there and that the person
[00:09:17] his father, eh, instead
[00:09:19] of taking care of them and protecting them from the world, he mistreats them, it seems
[00:09:23] impossible to me, it gives me such powerlessness
[00:09:27] and hatred, yes, it's like that, and one
[00:09:30] as a victim also sees it that way, that is, not only are
[00:09:34] you hitting me and hurting me, but
[00:09:37] you are the person who should least do that, who should
[00:09:39] protect us, eh, did Valen take care
[00:09:43] of you at that time, you inside that house?
[00:09:47] No, we were alone,
[00:09:50] we were alone. And what you are describing was something
[00:09:54] habitual, yes, it was habitual every
[00:09:57] day, I mean, to clarify, once is already
[00:10:00] wrong, no, yes, yes, but it was every day,
[00:10:04] it was every day, especially the mistreatment,
[00:10:07] especially the denigration, I don't know if that's
[00:10:10] how you say it, but constantly denigrating your own children, for
[00:10:14] anything, for anything, what I, I mean, what he
[00:10:18] told me, I haven't heard anyone say
[00:10:21] in my entire life, nor would it cross my
[00:10:24] mind to tell him the atrocities he has told me, let alone the
[00:10:28] beatings, no, but looking back in retrospect, much
[00:10:32] of that psychological damage, sometimes
[00:10:36] wounds deeper than a blow,
[00:10:39] eh, and then that's when we started, we started
[00:10:43] talking and at first they didn't
[00:10:46] listen to us, we talked about yours, which well,
[00:10:49] terrible, terrible what he told, I really, the
[00:10:53] father now that it has gone viral so much.
[00:11:03] Eh, from what this kid is saying, his father's brain got stuck, I don't know, it's like when his wife died, I have
[00:11:07] some doubts about that, which nothing justifies, not
[00:11:09] of course, far from justifying it, I don't even know him, but I say
[00:11:13] because otherwise, how can you treat your children that way, but I say what is my doubt? I have
[00:11:16] a doubt in the first place because he also had another child, that is, he has four
[00:11:20] children, the youngest, Azul, is the one who stayed living with
[00:11:23] him for a while,
[00:11:25] she has her own life, of course, she's an adult, but he has another child he had in a second marriage,
[00:11:29] eh, if you don't want to have children, the
[00:11:32] most, let's say, the most natural thing would be for him not to have had another
[00:11:36] family, what I believe is that within that same family, with
[00:11:39] Romina included, there was an entrenched issue of violence
[00:11:42] even before all this that Valentín is bravely
[00:11:46] telling, if I may use the word, in the interview that Tati Shapiro did, for me
[00:11:50] this came from before and there were things that were even linked to Romina and
[00:11:54] probably. with something that for Darío was not a
[00:11:58] space he would have wanted, which doesn't justify anything, but I want to say that I believe it's an
[00:12:02] issue that comes from before, at one point he asks him if he was
[00:12:05] violent with his mom and he says no, but well he didn't
[00:12:09] know.
[00:12:12] Of course, and
[00:12:14] he would leave it, it was like constant mistreatment,
[00:12:18] like
[00:12:21] food at the door of the room, that is, the children also suffering.
[00:12:25] They lost their mother and the guy acted like that, for me he had a problem, I don't know,
[00:12:28] psychological, that he couldn't handle the situation and became aggressive, otherwise it doesn't
[00:12:32] explain it. I would like to delve exactly into what you are saying,
[00:12:35] because it's true that from here, what one tries, obviously, as it's very
[00:12:39] unbearable to listen, one tries to understand what could
[00:12:43] have happened in the mind of a widower to
[00:12:46] then unleash all his violence, his anger, his frustration on
[00:12:50] his children, but the truth is that knowing very, very
[00:12:53] close cases, you say it would be quite the opposite, it would be
[00:12:57] quite the opposite, I mean, what worse can happen to you than losing your mom, of course, you
[00:13:01] unite more, the only thing they needed was love, those
[00:13:03] children, I don't know, it moves me a lot that he
[00:13:07] also, after so much time, needs to make it public, I think that here too
[00:13:11] there is something, this also draws
[00:13:13] attention because although the
[00:13:17] family has been in the news for some tragedy that occurred very
[00:13:21] recently, which it's better not to talk about, but I mean
[00:13:24] it never... argued with things eh about their private
[00:13:27] life, absolutely Chris Morena never spoke about her private life, not
[00:13:31] even when they divorced, I mean, 25 years together, in
[00:13:34] '97 they divorced and it could have been a divorce eh where the
[00:13:38] media world got involved, never anything, it was on
[00:13:41] good terms, I mean this, nothing was said about
[00:13:44] all that and well, I think one, I think, sorry to interrupt you, but I'm
[00:13:48] also thinking about what you say, Lore, I think that clearly a person
[00:13:52] doesn't wake up overnight as a despicable
[00:13:55] being with their children, I think it's clearly a person who is not
[00:13:59] not, of course, not affectionate, not loving,
[00:14:03] not caring and that probably that situation, because it's true,
[00:14:06] death when it surprises you in such a way, not an illness, I mean, when
[00:14:10] it's something sudden, it disrupts family structures a lot
[00:14:15] can bring out something from your personality that hasn't been
[00:14:18] worked on, it's feasible but not to this
[00:14:21] level, as if he had blamed the children for some... things that had
[00:14:25] happened to him internally in his relationship with Romina, thinking about that, as if something
[00:14:29] of what happened
[00:14:33] now, following Lore's reasoning, he was later able to meet another
[00:14:37] woman, form a family, eh, the
[00:14:39] sister of theirs, Azul, Azul, who stayed with the father, speaks well
[00:14:43] of the father, I don't know if you heard good things about the
[00:14:46] father, I didn't hear anything, in fact, the grandfather's post
[00:14:50] says well no, because people start to comment and say
[00:14:53] well, how strange. Because the violence was supposedly
[00:14:57] entrenched in those two brothers and eh not on the girl
[00:15:00] and the girl is, in fact, not a girl anymore,
[00:15:04] she is the only one who uses her father's last name, Jordano, and the
[00:15:07] grandfather clarifies, well, she also suffered a lot because then he also says
[00:15:11] it in a part of the interview, at one point she
[00:15:14] felt eh well, like left alone, she is not
[00:15:18] 20 years old, the brothers separated and didn't speak for a while, 20 years, Azul,
[00:15:21] sorry.
[00:15:25] escapes family conflicts, it doesn't matter
[00:15:28] the social stratum, nor how well the family is doing, nor how successful the
[00:15:32] family is, they still have the same problems as anyone, this also seems
[00:15:36] to humanize this famous family of the media much
[00:15:40] more, at some point one imagines that they are
[00:15:43] the family is all perfect, all wonderful because
[00:15:47] they have money, they have fame, they have
[00:15:50] everything, they do what they like well, he himself is now a car
[00:15:54] racer, he is a pilot and yes he is
[00:15:57] involved in TC, I don't know if he races in first division in TC
[00:16:01] I think not but he is in a category, the second one, but also telling that his
[00:16:05] grandfather saved his life, that is, a lot of things that
[00:16:08] surely have built this story that he needed to tell now,
[00:16:12] all that time passing and all that reconstruction he was
[00:16:16] doing to one day make the decision and tell this
[00:16:19] truth. The interview is extremely profound and also I
[00:16:22] think that, like never before, Tatiana says it, it affects her almost on a
[00:16:26] personal level, this story, knowing that he sits down precisely looking for this
[00:16:30] space to tell something, let's see more, come on, let's
[00:16:32] see. My grandfather
[00:16:36] Gustavo. He would take each grandchild once a week
[00:16:39] separately to lunch from school, that's when
[00:16:43] we started talking individually, me on
[00:16:46] my part, Franco on his part
[00:16:49] and he realized that something serious was happening
[00:16:53] and and that we started asking:
[00:16:56] we don't want to live in that house anymore, we don't want to live in that house anymore, we want to live
[00:17:00] with you and he listened to us, he was the first
[00:17:04] person who listened to us, my grandfather Gustavo,
[00:17:08] he would take us out once a week.
[00:17:11] How wonderful, that trust, because sometimes that trust
[00:17:15] he also sought it in a space of
[00:17:18] therapy and he also says that it was quite the opposite
[00:17:21] because he would go and tell eh what he was
[00:17:24] experiencing, the ordeal he was going through and it seems that
[00:17:28] there was something about that mechanism that was not safe, that the therapist would go and
[00:17:32] tell the father this made
[00:17:35] it worse, but this anyway, eh, now we are going to talk, I know
[00:17:39] we have a chat with Lic. Claudia
[00:17:42] Grifa, who is a psychologist, to me it seems crazy what
[00:17:46] this topic is with therapy, I don't, I don't
[00:17:50] understand, but for me yes, but when they are minors, the feedback is given to
[00:17:53] you, with the child, he is going to the psychologist and the
[00:17:57] psychologist calls me for feedback, he is 8
[00:18:01] years old, but if you are telling him that the father treats him badly, mistreats him,
[00:18:05] pulls his hair, beats him, tells the father you
[00:18:08] mistreat him, you have to ask a third party for help, I would like
[00:18:12] to meet with your grandfather or your grandmother or someone from the family, hey,
[00:18:16] the child told me this. Apropos of what
[00:18:19] he says, when he tells, they start telling the grandfather, he also says that they had
[00:18:22] told the paternal grandparents before, that is, Darío's
[00:18:26] parents and they said,
[00:18:28] well, it's very bad, he's having a bad time, you have to
[00:18:32] understand him, support him, but of course, the children
[00:18:35] felt in complete solitude, except for that figure of grandfather
[00:18:39] Gustavo, Claudia Grifa is already connected, she has come
[00:18:43] to the studio, she has been with us live, now we
[00:18:46] greet you, welcome to Crónica Claudia from her home via
[00:18:50] Zoom, how are you, how are you, thank you for
[00:18:53] inviting me, specifically the first mandatory question is, you
[00:18:57] have a patient who is a child, he tells you that his
[00:19:00] mom died and that his father mistreats him, are you going
[00:19:03] it ethical to tell the father, who is the one who
[00:19:07] mistreats him and not tell a third party, this person
[00:19:11] seems to me that I would convene a family member who is
[00:19:14] trustworthy and who can adequately accompany this
[00:19:18] child because this father is not being able to respond
[00:19:22] as a father, no exactly. Now, regarding
[00:19:25] that, Claudia, something we are debating here on the
[00:19:28] floor, eh, death when it is so
[00:19:31] sudden, from a, from your
[00:19:33] wife, it is true that it can disorganize you, I imagine, and
[00:19:37] make you more sensitive or
[00:19:41] perhaps that personal situation does not allow you to
[00:19:44] cover everything a father should at that age,
[00:19:48] but can someone become, in many ways, violent
[00:19:51] due to an episode, due to such a
[00:19:54] already have from before and well, it appears at that
[00:19:59] the family, we don't know exactly
[00:20:02] what happened to Valentín's father, but clearly a
[00:20:06] grief can trigger not eh this type
[00:20:10] of behavior, it can trigger these behaviors or
[00:20:13] it can trigger others too, in this case perhaps
[00:20:16] there was a discharge on the eldest son, perhaps it was not
[00:20:20] on all the children, I understand that Franco also suffered
[00:20:24] violent situations and it was on both
[00:20:28] male children, no, so yes it can
[00:20:31] be eh not just any father, this
[00:20:34] man clearly has some difficulty. eh to
[00:20:38] process in another way with symbolic resources his
[00:20:42] sadness, perhaps this was there before, Claudia, this that you
[00:20:45] point out about the issue of boys, because if I don't
[00:20:48] misunderstand, he has a girl in the next marriage, I don't know if the
[00:20:52] children have this clear,
[00:20:54] eh, why would that difference be made, what do you think can
[00:20:58] trigger a father to carry
[00:21:02] out these episodes of violence on his sons and not on his daughters,
[00:21:06] women, well, there can be many
[00:21:08] reasons, I understand that it could be perhaps some identification issue,
[00:21:12] no, eh, perhaps that's why he didn't exercise
[00:21:16] violence on the girl, eh, and yes
[00:21:20] on his sons, no, some identification issue, some
[00:21:24] issue of a certain image that these children reflected
[00:21:27] back to him that caused rejection, what Valentín says is
[00:21:30] that he felt rejected by this
[00:21:33] father, he couldn't appeal to him, that besides that
[00:21:37] this, because it's true that violence on the
[00:21:41] body is a physical pain, it passes but
[00:21:44] not the pain, the psychological pain, it leaves
[00:21:48] scars for life.
[00:22:00] can have as an object, it is directed we see cases where there is a person who
[00:22:04] is violent in the family and circulates very well outside the
[00:22:07] family environment, so yes it can have some
[00:22:11] object over which it discharges violence, sometimes
[00:22:14] there are other children and it discharges violence with one in
[00:22:17] particular only and not with all or only with the mother,
[00:22:20] Claudia, could we be facing a
[00:22:23] presumptive case of malpractice with this young man's
[00:22:27] therapist who, far from rescuing him,
[00:22:30] overexposed him to situations of violence?
[00:22:34] It's very difficult to reach that
[00:22:38] conclusion like that, eh, it's
[00:22:41] also eh notable that she didn't call
[00:22:44] another family member, more than
[00:22:47] anything because beyond that... there
[00:22:51] was a very explicit complaint and very explicit situations of violence
[00:22:54] where there was no room for doubt, but Claudia, listen to me,
[00:22:58] perhaps both needed this help and this whole journey could have
[00:23:01] been avoided, Claudia, listen to me, using
[00:23:04] common sense, okay, without
[00:23:07] relying so much on psychology books, if a child tells you
[00:23:11] that mom died and the father beats him and treats him badly,
[00:23:15] how does the therapist think of telling the same father
[00:23:18] and even knowing... asks who the family is, because she didn't ignore
[00:23:22] that there's Gustavo, there's Cris, there's Mengano, there's Fulano, you
[00:23:26] say, hey, who do you get along with? Grandfather Gustavo is divine, I would
[00:23:29] like to talk to Grandfather Gustavo, but you don't give me his phone number, you make a
[00:23:33] phone call and solve it, no, no, I mean, and don't take me for a psychologist, I'm
[00:23:37] using common sense, what do you think concretely about that?
[00:23:40] I would summon, I cannot speak for what another professional did,
[00:23:44] yes I would summon those who are the emotional
[00:23:46] references,
[00:23:49] that's good. Exactly. Here this grandfather acted as
[00:23:52] a father, I would summon this person. Does it not correspond to
[00:23:56] a judicial intervention by that
[00:23:58] therapist? Yes, she is responsible for
[00:24:01] requesting it, making a complaint and the child is telling
[00:24:05] you that he suffers real physical violence, it's not
[00:24:08] subject to interpretation. The father gives him
[00:24:11] cold food, tells him he's good for nothing, leaves him locked in the room, he
[00:24:15] pegaba no da llamar un
[00:24:19] complaint? He would convene
[00:24:22] some relative and let the relative
[00:24:25] decide how to proceed, not the family has to be able to
[00:24:29] sustain this decision as a
[00:24:32] relative, because besides that, here there's a family with
[00:24:36] resources in every sense of the word, I mean, there was a loving,
[00:24:39] attentive grandfather who didn't play, accompanied,
[00:24:41] supported. Now, Claudia, I have a question for you, psychologically
[00:24:45] speaking, why would he, today, who is already a man, a big
[00:24:49] boy, who is already exercising his
[00:24:53] profession or what he wants to do, need to
[00:24:57] tell it to such a massive medium like this, why do
[00:25:00] you think he did it? I think
[00:25:03] that any person who has this need to first disclose,
[00:25:07] perhaps sees it from a place where they can help others, that
[00:25:10] they can, besides, they don't have a family with great
[00:25:13] exposure, it has been silenced. He perhaps felt
[00:25:17] this, that when he resorted... his paternal family
[00:25:21] also there, well,
[00:25:23] minimized. It's a way, I think, to
[00:25:27] heal a little, to put into words, to expose what happened
[00:25:30] to him. Also, there isn't a
[00:25:33] search, I don't know, I mean, I also see here a
[00:25:36] justice of certain, that person
[00:25:40] we all know his name, we know his
[00:25:43] surname, he formed a new family, there's a
[00:25:47] sister who stayed living with him.
[00:25:57] Even, I'll tell you more, an
[00:25:59] inheritance. Yes, yes, from whom?
[00:26:03] It seems to me that the inheritance comes more from the mother's side than from the
[00:26:06] father's side, that's why, but what do I know, finally
[00:26:09] say, look, you truly,
[00:26:13] let's take him out,
[00:26:16] let's take him out because he has to, after behaving the way he
[00:26:20] behaved, also have access to an inheritance. Social
[00:26:23] condemnation, social condemnation, because legally, judicially, many
[00:26:26] years have
[00:26:27] passed.
[00:26:31] I think so, yes. No, but he was a minor, but he was a minor
[00:26:35] at the time, besides, but listen, notice that the statute of limitations, but not 20 years ago, he
[00:26:38] was, he is 23 and it was when he was seven, that is, from seven onwards, but
[00:26:41] excuse me, for each crime, for each crime there is an
[00:26:45] assigned statute of limitations, it's not the same to kill a person and bury them in your
[00:26:49] garden as to run over someone. Yes, Curly, but the
[00:26:52] violence against minors, precisely from Piaza's law, what it does is
[00:26:56] that you have a time that can elapse so that the
[00:27:00] child understands that what happened to him was called violence, harassment, abuse, I don't
[00:27:04] know what, and that then
[00:27:07] understand it's for sexual abuse
[00:27:10] within families, that's why I say theoretically, the years start to
[00:27:14] run from the moment the victim speaks, not from the, it doesn't prescribe
[00:27:18] you said, Claudia, in cases of sexual
[00:27:21] abuse. Of sexual
[00:27:24] abuse,
[00:27:27] it's another thing because otherwise we are talking about different crimes.
[00:27:30] Violating is 8 years. For me it's how much? 8 years, well
[00:27:34] you see it's prescribed. We have another little bit
[00:27:38] more to show from the interview, listen to
[00:27:41] what he said because the truth is I think it's the most
[00:27:44] difficult part of the whole interview with Tati, let's
[00:27:48] watch it.
[00:27:50] What was that? It was going out to find a way out, it was a
[00:27:54] black hole, it turned dark at one point, it didn't turn very
[00:27:58] dark, I
[00:28:01] reached a point where, I really didn't want to
[00:28:04] live, I had many thoughts of
[00:28:08] death,
[00:28:11] I even said, well, I'll go with my mom, I'll be better off
[00:28:14] there, there's no point in continuing
[00:28:18] like this. September 28, 2010, it was a spring
[00:28:21] afternoon like any other, until a piece of news paralyzed Argentina, Romina
[00:28:25] had died, she was barely 36 years old,
[00:28:29] after exercising, Romina suffered a decompensation and was
[00:28:32] rushed to the central hospital of San Isidro, doctors tried to
[00:28:36] resuscitate her for approximately 50 minutes, but finally her
[00:28:40] death was confirmed, but to understand why her departure generated such a
[00:28:43] commotion, you have to understand who Romina Yan was for Argentine
[00:28:47] television, her story began in 1991 in
[00:28:51] "Jugate Conmigo", her mother Chris Morena's program, but Romina wanted to show
[00:28:54] that she could build her own path and she did. In
[00:28:57] 1995 came
[00:29:01] the protagonist of "Chiquititas" and one of the most beloved faces for
[00:29:05] a whole generation, for four seasons she accompanied millions of children
[00:29:08] with a story that did not remain only on television, there were
[00:29:11] songs, albums, theater and a phenomenon that even
[00:29:15] transcended Argentine borders, but Romina was not trapped in that
[00:29:18] character, then came fictions like "Provócame", "Abre tus ojos",
[00:29:22] "Amor mío", and "Bella y Bestia", showing that she could also conquer the
[00:29:26] adult public and in her last years she returned to that universe that had seen her
[00:29:29] grow, participating in "Casi Ángeles". Romina was also
[00:29:33] a mother of three children, a wife and a woman deeply connected to her
[00:29:37] family and perhaps that's why, when she died, not only an
[00:29:41] actress was said goodbye to, someone who had been part of the childhood of
[00:29:44] millions was said goodbye to. The next day, relatives, friends and colleagues
[00:29:47] said goodbye to her at the Jardín de Paz in Delviso, but her true legacy remained in
[00:29:51] another place, the songs, the characters, those who still remember
[00:29:55] Belén Fraga and a generation that grew up with her.
[00:29:58] Today, September 28, marks 16 years since that
[00:30:02] afternoon, 16 years without Romina Yan, but there are people who,
[00:30:06] even if they are no longer physically present, continue to live in the memory of
[00:30:09] all those who once made them part of their
[00:30:12] childhood.
[00:30:17] September 28, 2010, was a spring afternoon like any
[00:30:21] other until a news story for fiction and reality merge, no, because
[00:30:25] Romina Yan played Belén Fraga, a kind
[00:30:28] of stepmother who took care of a lot of children who had lost
[00:30:32] their mother and father and were in an orphanage, in a children's
[00:30:35] home. Some time later, her own
[00:30:39] death caused her son a very similar story, only
[00:30:42] he doesn't have a foster home, the home he is left in without this
[00:30:46] mother is with a completely violent,
[00:30:48] aggressive father, who harassed him, who showed
[00:30:51] a lot of contempt towards him and his brother, not so
[00:30:55] much towards the girl, I mean, how, how impressive, also
[00:30:58] within the home.