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[00:00:00] Unbeatable, fed up with robberies, they
[00:00:03] defend themselves among themselves. We are going to tell this
[00:00:07] story which is a postcard of Argentina. We will be
[00:00:10] back. Stay where you are, don't move from there. Eh,
[00:00:32] There are paths that open new paths, paths of
[00:00:35] production, paths that connect and paths
[00:00:38] that save lives. We, the people of Cordoba, build
[00:00:41] roads, highways and bridges, and we pave secondary
[00:00:46] chilling because yes, because what roads that are not so secondary, because they connect
[00:00:48] rural communities, bringing opportunities for our
[00:00:52] production to go further and for us to travel safer.
[00:00:56] We continue to build the best roads in the country for today's Cordoba
[00:01:00] and the one to come, government of the province of
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[00:04:31] the same. Now, what
[00:04:51] Besides, besides, it's remembering how
[00:05:05] hole in the We wait, there are 26 minutes until
[00:05:08] 4.
[00:05:11] We reiterate.
[00:05:19] "It was hell living in that house," said
[00:05:22] Infobae, the heartbreaking testimony of Román's
[00:05:25] son, something that surprised us all. Gustavo
[00:05:29] Yankelevich also spoke a
[00:05:32] few moments ago. Cris
[00:05:34] Morena,
[00:05:39] that the first person who noticed this was Cris. I say
[00:05:42] because since she's not mentioned in the article, it would seem that
[00:05:46] she didn't do anything or didn't
[00:05:48] act. She noticed it and talked to me and
[00:05:52] warned me, she said something strange is happening, pay
[00:05:56] attention to the kids. The situation is that
[00:05:59] well, when
[00:06:01] I started paying attention to the
[00:06:04] kids,
[00:06:07] at first I thought it was something that could happen, that
[00:06:10] it was something temporary, but it was stronger and bigger
[00:06:13] every time, especially once
[00:06:17] Franco started asking me to come live
[00:06:20] with me, and he was the first because Franco was
[00:06:24] a year ahead of Valentín, asking me, then
[00:06:27] Valentín started, and they were both asking me,
[00:06:30] and when Franco told me, I would take
[00:06:33] him out every every week, once
[00:06:37] a week I would go eat, pick him up from school, go eat
[00:06:40] out with him and bring him back to school again, I would take him to school
[00:06:44] again and Franco, despite living what
[00:06:48] he lived in the car with me, he was happy and
[00:06:51] sang and and and he changed
[00:06:54] the lyrics of well-known songs, I
[00:06:57] enjoyed it and and we were both happy despite
[00:07:00] everything. And and yet he
[00:07:04] told me in one of those lunches he told me, "Grandpa, I want to live with
[00:07:07] you," but he didn't tell me that
[00:07:11] they hit him. He told me: "I want to live with you." And I told him: "Look,
[00:07:14] we're going to do one thing, I'm going to
[00:07:17] talk to your dad and I'm going to ask him if he'll let you come spend
[00:07:20] a week with me and we'll see how you feel
[00:07:23] with me, and then one day we'll ask him to come
[00:07:27] if you, if you want to come live more time
[00:07:30] with me." And when I met with
[00:07:33] Darío and I told him, "Darío,
[00:07:36] Franco asked me if he could come for a week."
[00:07:40] Of course, I didn't tell him to live with me, I told him
[00:07:42] to spend a week with me, and he answered me: "No
[00:07:46] way, I'm the owner, until they're
[00:07:49] 18 years old, they're going to do whatever I want." No,
[00:07:53] "no way he's coming there." I said,
[00:07:56] "Wow, wow, here, here something bigger is happening
[00:07:59] than I thought."
[00:08:02] So, uh, it's not even this that hasn't been
[00:08:06] told or come out anywhere, nor has Valen said it,
[00:08:09] uh, I talked to him and asked him for
[00:08:12] a week and he answered me what I'm saying. Of course, he
[00:08:16] was the owner of the children so he was the owner of the children, until they
[00:08:20] were 18 years old they would do what I wanted.
[00:08:24] So, and Franco was 11 years old, so
[00:08:27] we had to wait 7 years and at that moment you decide to start the custody lawsuit,
[00:08:31] things get complicated. No, no, no,
[00:08:34] no, no, I'll tell you, I'll tell you how it
[00:08:37] was. Eh, a week later I picked up
[00:08:40] Franco, and Franco didn't... He would talk and
[00:08:44] we would go in the car, what I was telling you, that he would sing
[00:08:47] and he wouldn't talk and we ate and he didn't talk. The next
[00:08:51] week we went to eat again and he didn't talk, and we
[00:08:55] went to and he didn't talk, neither on the way there nor on the
[00:08:58] way back. The third time I went, he didn't talk, and when I sat down to
[00:09:02] have lunch with him, I told him, "Fran, I'm a
[00:09:05] grown person,
[00:09:08] have to talk to me. It can't be that all of a sudden
[00:09:11] you stopped talking to me, you have to tell me what's happening." He
[00:09:15] says, "Grandpa, the thing is if you talk to dad and I tell you this, he's going to
[00:09:19] kill me. Of course, when dad found out that I asked you to
[00:09:22] come to your house for a week, he
[00:09:25] beat me up, he knocked me out,
[00:09:28] he knocked me out." You said, "Yes, he knocked me
[00:09:32] out." Yes, and then, well,
[00:09:35] no, no, I'm telling this, I'm very emotional, so
[00:09:38] us too,
[00:09:40] Gustavo, remembering this costs me
[00:09:44] a lot. We understand. It costs me a lot to remember
[00:09:47] this.
[00:09:50] Well, but no, because also
[00:09:54] happened before, starting from Romina's death.
[00:09:58] Yes, it's reliving, yes, it's reliving.
[00:10:03] much these kids suffered. When he told me that, I said, "Well, I'm going to
[00:10:07] help you, I'm going to help you."
[00:10:10] And time went by, and
[00:10:13] well, I started contacting family lawyers and such to see how it
[00:10:17] could be done. It wasn't easy, it wasn't
[00:10:20] easy and it was really all
[00:10:23] good, it wasn't. Yes, it was difficult, but
[00:10:27] I said, I have to help them. And when Valentín started with the
[00:10:30] same thing, so I started taking them both out
[00:10:34] together so they could both talk, I wanted to hear them both together and they
[00:10:38] told me the same thing.
[00:10:40] So, uh, well, Valentín
[00:10:44] told it, it's not a secret, Valentín told it
[00:10:48] in in his note,
[00:10:50] eh, that he wanted to go live with his, that he wanted to go with his mom,
[00:10:54] that... he didn't want to be here anymore, he was having a very hard time. Now, what a
[00:10:58] strong testimony to hear from Gustavo himself talking about this
[00:11:01] with how reserved they
[00:11:05] always were, with what we know, eh, it's
[00:11:08] really
[00:11:11] mobilizes a lot, it was terrible, because it's impossible not to put yourself
[00:11:15] in everyone's place, no, it's impossible not to put yourself in the place of that
[00:11:18] grandfather, that grandmother, of those kids too, as
[00:11:22] we said before, of other family members who...
[00:11:25] chose not to do
[00:11:26] anything.
[00:11:31] I can't understand it, I swear guys, we have stomach
[00:11:33] pain, it turns your stomach, because
[00:11:37] a lot of time has passed
[00:11:40] since all this, right? That Gustavo already has these two grandchildren in his care as a
[00:11:44] father, because that's what Valentín himself said for many
[00:11:47] years, I don't know, 12, 10 years or
[00:11:50] more, 12 years, and he's
[00:11:53] still breaking down. That clearly there's a pain that's
[00:11:56] ingrained, and that's why I also understand Valentín's need to come out and talk about it and
[00:12:00] tell it as an adult, to come out and tell it, drawing a
[00:12:03] parallel between mom who just came out talking about what happened
[00:12:07] to her son who is seeking justice and asking for his
[00:12:11] last name to be changed, how difficult justice is for all social
[00:12:15] strata, because one imagines that Gustavo wants
[00:12:18] to get something and he solves it in 15 minutes, and he just tells in the
[00:12:22] note, I started contacting family lawyers. He told about a
[00:12:25] long and tedious process to be able to
[00:12:28] resolve the lives of these kids, eh, the one who also
[00:12:31] spoke,
[00:12:32] no
[00:12:36] post from Cris together, read it yourself, Mel, together
[00:12:39] we are together and we will be together always, I
[00:12:42] love you, how nice, Gustavo
[00:12:44] also appears, I think it's not a random
[00:12:48] photo, no, totally, let's remember that Gustavo and Cris
[00:12:51] Morena, although they separated as Lore correctly said, they
[00:12:55] still work together, they are partners, they have a very
[00:12:59] important company together, what Gustavo also said about recognizing that Cris was the first one to realize
[00:13:02] that something was happening with the kids is super important, and when she probably
[00:13:06] says it, because it's very easy to talk from the outside, again, with
[00:13:10] some knowledge, it's easy for outsiders to get involved and express opinions, no, because she's
[00:13:13] not, because the daughter's not, because whatever, family matters are very
[00:13:16] complex. Something is being
[00:13:20] passed. Well. Yes, it just cut off, sorry, you wanted to ask
[00:13:24] a question.
[00:13:26] Lola, or you wanted to say something, sorry, yes, no, no, that unlike the case of this
[00:13:30] mother who wanted to make it public, Gustavo Yankelevich did not want to make
[00:13:34] this case public because it would harm justice,
[00:13:36] no, that is, not all cases are the same, in this case he did not
[00:13:40] want to give it out,
[00:13:41] that it comes out.
[00:13:48] That in this particular case, the one who tells it is the protagonist,
[00:13:52] now an adult, so. He was able to
[00:13:55] have a childhood, although what happened to him was very tough, without having
[00:13:58] this issue made
[00:14:16] about, I mean, how hard it is for the
[00:14:19] people who are around the kids and who have to act
[00:14:23] as parents in this.
[00:14:31] When my grandfather was old enough to be a grandfather, he had to be a father again to us and he saved my life.
[00:14:34] I mean, for a grandson to think that about what you
[00:14:37] did,
[00:14:40] only 7, 8 years old, I went to live in Pinamar, I
[00:14:44] stayed with my grandparents, unfortunately I lived through many violent
[00:14:47] situations, I never told it, but nothing, it's very hard, the truth is it's
[00:14:50] very hard. My grandparents really rescued me from an ordeal that I saw
[00:14:54] for a long time.
[00:15:06] One, one shit, I had a brother amidst all that violence, who today rests in peace, my little brother was
[00:15:09] 22 years old. It's very hard, that's why, nothing, I see Valentín,
[00:15:13] I see Franco and obviously one gets emotional and feels all
[00:15:17] the episodes of violence that one experiences as a child. I had
[00:15:20] a maternal grandfather who tried to even take me out of the place and even locked
[00:15:24] us in an apartment for days. My grandfather, I remember, made a
[00:15:30] door to get us out of there. Nothing, it's terrible. The truth is I lived it at 7 years old
[00:15:34] and I have it in my head as if I had lived it yesterday, that's why.
[00:15:37] I understand what Valentín says, obviously he had the loss of
[00:15:41] his mother and the truth is that his father
[00:15:44] well, he's not a father, he's not a dad. How am I
[00:15:48] thinking? I'm not ignoring what you're saying, but I mean, eh, you said you never
[00:15:51] told it publicly, I understand, no, eh, and how
[00:15:55] did you tell it to your people around you? That's also
[00:15:58] difficult, yes, the truth is that when I went to live with my grandparents in
[00:16:02] Pinamar, I remember that well, my grandparents took great care of me, both
[00:16:05] my grandma Nini, my grandma, may Jorge rest in peace, they
[00:16:09] really took care of me and I always had that nightmare that that person
[00:16:13] who used to hit me all the time, who was a partner my
[00:16:17] mom had, who is the father of my brother who
[00:16:19] unfortunately passed away, eh, it was very hard and I had that
[00:16:23] nightmare all the time that the guy was there and he was chasing me. It was very
[00:16:26] hard to get out, the truth is I never went to a psychologist, I never went to a psychiatrist or anything,
[00:16:30] it was my grandparents who basically saved my life because if I
[00:16:34] had continued living in Buenos Aires at that time, perhaps I could be
[00:16:38] lost in drugs or whatever, so Cris, did you
[00:16:40] forgive them? No, look, my mom
[00:16:44] did, yes, I was able to heal and I was able to
[00:16:48] forgive. Not that cowardly subject who
[00:16:52] hit me when I was a kid. I always thought that when I grew up
[00:16:55] I'd be able to have him face to face to really, well now
[00:16:59] that I'm grown and I can take it, let's say that, because I'm
[00:17:02] old enough, I've crossed paths with him. I never saw him again in my life,
[00:17:06] and I ran into him at my brother's wake, uh, that
[00:17:09] he was Fede's dad, my little brother who unfortunately passed away and who
[00:17:12] never gave him anything and who showed up that day at the wake, I was really
[00:17:16] very angry but out of respect for my brother, I really didn't
[00:17:20] do anything, but nothing, it's really hard how
[00:17:23] cowards, how chicken-shits, like the case we were talking
[00:17:26] about just now with Débora, really FUCKING
[00:17:30] people, eh, they have the balls to hit a child but they don't have the balls to face someone of their
[00:17:34] same size, so that really makes you angry.
[00:17:45] I wonder, is there no forgiveness for that? When your dad or your
[00:17:49] mom violates you as a child, is there forgiveness for those
[00:17:51] things? It's a question I ask
[00:17:54] here. It must be very personal, as Lore
[00:17:58] says, Cris, thank you for opening your heart because
[00:18:01] it's, uh, well, it's a life story
[00:18:03] with
[00:18:05] an open heart, no? We're here, we have a life story,
[00:18:08] so nothing, nothing,
[00:18:11] tell me, we're going to share one of the
[00:18:15] few interviews before this red screen, but we're going to show the
[00:18:19] interview with Darío, no, we'll show that in a little while, now breaking
[00:18:22] news.
[00:18:23] Go.
[00:18:27] Breaking news, 3:47 PM on the
[00:18:31] Crónica screen, that's unbeatable.
[00:18:35] Deliveries in danger.
[00:18:39] "Fed up with robberies, they defend themselves
[00:18:42] among themselves.
[00:18:46] you are going to see now, well, they
[00:18:49] don't have insurance or medical coverage and that's why they often react this
[00:18:52] way when robberies occur. Look at what
[00:18:56] a group of delivery riders did to get justice
[00:18:59] for the robbery that one of them suffered against a thief. Watch,
[00:19:03] listen."
[00:19:59] It is, but the level of exhaustion and
[00:20:02] fear suffered by delivery drivers is also very strong. I particularly, of course, if you
[00:20:05] ask me, it seems excessive. Totally, but I think this
[00:20:09] cannot happen out of the context of the fear that
[00:20:12] the kids suffer every day, who have nothing, who pedal in the
[00:20:16] rain and are fed up with being robbed, and well, this is a
[00:20:19] citizen retention, a little excessive from my point of
[00:20:23] view, but this is becoming a practice, right?
[00:20:27] Now, where does this violence end? On the other side
[00:20:30] is one of the guys who participates in these
[00:20:33] groups,
[00:20:35] I forgot his name, how are you? We are...?
[00:20:42] This has become a kind of practice, this group of
[00:20:45] vigilant delivery drivers who perform citizen detentions on
[00:20:49] thieves. And yes, of course
[00:20:52] yes, if we are, how can it be that
[00:20:56] we can recover motorcycles by getting
[00:21:00] together with a couple of people, and the police can't do
[00:21:03] anything, having all the equipment, everything, how
[00:21:07] can it be that we have to do these things ourselves, that no one protects
[00:21:10] us? Yes, Hernán, I want to tell you something,
[00:21:13] sorry, I wanted to tell you that three days ago here on
[00:21:17] Crónica last week we did the case of
[00:21:32] But if they come to rob you, they'll shoot you in the chest anyway if they want, uh, you don't need to recover the
[00:21:35] motorcycle, right? I have no doubt that can also happen,
[00:21:39] but I mean, it's just a comment to see what you
[00:21:42] think, right? Because that's what I'm telling you, that's what I'm telling you, a
[00:21:46] kid gets his motorcycle taken away and his job taken away, and they have nothing to eat.
[00:21:58] Let's say with a case for having committed a crime, I mean, because there are also
[00:22:02] certain moments up to which this is a
[00:22:06] citizen retention and others in which it becomes a crime. Did you think about
[00:22:09] that? Yes, yes, of course, but the other one is also a crime,
[00:22:12] no one does anything.
[00:22:16] How strong, right? Because the truth is that the image of seeing this man naked.
[00:22:20] Completely, whom they started to beat, no, I
[00:22:23] know him, and what's more, I tell you, and what's more, as the
[00:22:27] girl said, this is becoming a habit, and but that's
[00:22:30] wrong, it's an eye for an eye, that is, justice is for that,
[00:22:33] excuse me, I understand your complaint, but it's not valid that
[00:22:37] way, uh, for me, I don't know,
[00:22:40] it's the only means they have of defending
[00:22:44] themselves, of perhaps, perhaps making
[00:22:47] the wrongdoers understand that
[00:22:51] we are prepared to defend ourselves among ourselves and we have to
[00:22:54] defend ourselves, maybe it's not the way, but there's no, there's no one to
[00:22:58] defend us, there's no one to defend us, no one does anything.
[00:23:01] Hernán, how do you organize, how do these groups work? If
[00:23:05] someone gets robbed, how do they so quickly identify where the
[00:23:09] motorcycle is and then give the beating of their lives to the thief? How do
[00:23:12] they do it? And first of all,
[00:23:16] we are always in a group and we are constantly notifying
[00:23:20] each other, "Hey, look, there
[00:23:23] are two people without helmets that we don't know, they're on a motorcycle, they're
[00:23:27] without a license plate, be careful," and
[00:23:31] well, then what we all say is to put a
[00:23:34] tracker on the motorcycle, we
[00:23:38] already know the location, my dear Hernán, here Cris Eche, I had the opportunity to meet
[00:23:41] your whole team, you have detained like that a
[00:23:45] kid who, two kids, I remember they had been robbed, eh, they had
[00:23:48] the motorcycle exactly. It passed by their face, they were laughing at
[00:23:52] them, eh, really no one protects you, you go out to earn a living,
[00:23:56] you don't know if you'll come back home because they'll kill you or basically you'll come back without
[00:24:00] your work tool, how how are you doing, that's the main thing, you know
[00:24:03] what, if they take away your work tool which is what little you can earn, it
[00:24:07] ruins your life, of course, it ruins your life, you've already been
[00:24:11] robbed to get up after a motorcycle, have you suffered any of these
[00:24:14] robberies? I, thank God, still
[00:24:18] no, not yet, yes, I suffered at my house at the door,
[00:24:22] inside my house, but not on the street yet, yes,
[00:24:26] and thank God, now delivering and being a delivery driver has
[00:24:29] become a high-risk job, first so you don't have an accident with the
[00:24:32] motorcycle, and also so they don't steal your unit, so they don't shoot you to
[00:24:38] kill you, it's crazy, yes, yes, because the robberies
[00:24:42] are very violent too, every time we tell them in general, it's not
[00:24:45] a snatch and that's it, uh, the truth is that
[00:24:49] well. Listen, were you in the episode where they grabbed this guy and
[00:24:52] stripped him naked? No, no, no, that's another area, I'm
[00:24:56] in, we are in the southern area, and how
[00:24:59] did this particular case affect you? Because I mean, they go to
[00:25:03] look for the motorcycle, they all go in a group, they recover it, but in this case they
[00:25:06] stripped him naked, lynched him, tied him to a pole, how did
[00:25:09] it affect the group among you, what do you think, what
[00:25:12] did you say, opinions, there are divided opinions, there are divided
[00:25:16] opinions, that's clear, clear, because we don't all think
[00:25:21] I'm telling you, what happens to me with this
[00:25:25] first is that obviously you have to be in your shoes, no, those who go out to work
[00:25:29] every day in the rain, often
[00:25:32] going through horrible situations, that's on one hand, but on the other hand I say,
[00:25:36] where does this end? Because when the masses, that
[00:25:39] is, groups of people who share and start to
[00:25:42] get, in quotation marks, heated, you
[00:25:45] know, and we tie him up and
[00:25:48] we lynch him and we strip him, and it's like, I don't know, they're just short of setting
[00:25:52] him on fire in the square. A little bit of fear, where is
[00:25:56] all this going to end? I think, I
[00:25:59] think there are two things here. First,
[00:26:02] well, yes, maybe it's not good to go too far
[00:26:05] because we are acting as
[00:26:09] if we were police officers and we
[00:26:12] are not, so human rights
[00:26:15] also influence another person, but I think
[00:26:19] they also do it to say, "Hey, stop
[00:26:22] bothering us because we have what it takes to defend
[00:26:26] ourselves." Wait a minute, there are more videos about this type of practices that are
[00:26:30] becoming a habit for delivery drivers. Vigilantes, that's
[00:26:33] how they react. "Motherfucker, come on, come on,
[00:26:37] we're a gang, come on," give it to us, let's get our hands on it, the
[00:26:41] bike appears, you motherfucker, come on,
[00:26:44] any of these old thieving bitches are going to explode, asshole,
[00:26:47] come on you piece of rat, you're going to give yourself
[00:26:50] away, you're going to give yourself away, rat, we're a
[00:26:54] gang, we're a gang, come on, motherfuckers, come on,
[00:26:57] you bunch of Hitlers, you crawling pieces of shit,
[00:27:01] motherfuckers...
[00:27:38] I don't know, friend, we want the bike, we don't want a mechanic to come with a stolen bike,
[00:27:42] dude, they already had the
[00:27:46] information,
[00:27:48] friend, friend said that he has it, he has it, he
[00:27:51] said, here's the bike, here's the
[00:27:55] bike,
[00:27:58] eh
[00:28:48] and they recovered it, they recovered it, the truth is that this video is
[00:28:52] impressive, how they enter, how they rush him all together, they take the bike and celebrate
[00:28:56] like a game, yes, in a workshop where they had the information that the
[00:29:00] bike was stolen and they went and recovered it. Well, we asked
[00:29:03] Cristian, yes, Hernan, sorry, Hernan, Hernan who is on the other
[00:29:06] side, our delivery guy who
[00:29:09] does this, he is telling us a little about how these things happen, you weren't
[00:29:12] there either, Hernan, no, no, no, no,
[00:29:16] the one who has information about this recovery is Cristian, what was the issue, yes, let's see,
[00:29:20] guys, the information was passed through a group that these
[00:29:23] young people were circulating precisely on that stolen motorcycle, which belonged
[00:29:27] to one of the delivery guys, they all gather
[00:29:30] there, they go. and by their own hand they recover the
[00:29:34] bike and also the delinquent who was in the place they end up
[00:29:37] subduing him, let's see, it's a citizen arrest, but and the but
[00:29:41] this yes, but and the lynching, no, well, well,
[00:29:45] there of course it's excessive, Hernan, Hernan
[00:29:48] was present once in an arrest, tell us
[00:29:52] Hernan, you remember there in the pedestrian street, they ran into two kids who ran from there, but
[00:29:55] you caught him, subdued him and they had him there waiting for the
[00:29:59] police, you were in that, no, yes. yes,
[00:30:02] yes, yes, yes, we are there, yes, no, we
[00:30:05] didn't reach that point, what happens
[00:30:08] is that I also think that the context plays a lot,
[00:30:11] because there in the center of Adrogue it is very different where
[00:30:15] these kids were, that from another neighborhood there, there
[00:30:19] it seems a little more heavy, I think
[00:30:22] that if we had done that in the center of Adrogue they would arrest
[00:30:25] us all, clear, clear, it would have remained, we are talking about Hernan of
[00:30:29] how many, how many are there when they gather like that when they have the information that the... they steal
[00:30:32] the bike from a colleague, as many as we can, always, as
[00:30:36] many as we can and
[00:30:39] there is that solidarity among all colleagues and they perfectly understand that today
[00:30:43] it happened to one, tomorrow it can happen to another because you
[00:30:46] see without going any further all the context of what
[00:30:50] happened is fine, but it was a happy ending, the guy got
[00:30:53] his bike stolen and recovered the bike,
[00:30:57] clear, something that if we wait for