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[00:00:00] There is hunger, there is, uh, there is hunger and people are not
[00:00:03] responding to the judiciary or politics. Come on, let's go, let's go, let's go, if you want,
[00:00:07] come on, let's talk a little about what's happening to us, gentlemen, there
[00:00:11] we are, uh, more than 10,000 chickens in the place, 500
[00:00:14] per truck, this will unfortunately produce a contagion
[00:00:17] effect in the neighborhood, in which neighborhood are we, Cris, in which
[00:00:21] neighborhood are we, uh, we are in Pilar, we are in
[00:00:24] Pilar, right in the Pinazo neighborhood, uh, we are
[00:00:28] located here, people here are also asking for a hand,
[00:00:32] the farm and they always have really, all the people who are here, they all lost their jobs, look, we see the guy who
[00:00:36] is with his daughters, the family is here, there are many people also at
[00:00:40] this moment driving a vehicle uh for
[00:00:43] an app to make a living,
[00:00:46] I want to say is the following, here we have the 500 chickens stored there, well, uh, really a situation that
[00:00:49] the company has to give answers not in a while, not later, but now,
[00:00:53] because you saw that people, well, the animals will start to rot there and will
[00:00:57] important die. Talk to the worker who is with his daughters.
[00:01:10] Come, come, dear Fer, well, you're here with your family.
[00:01:14] businessman and I identify with Tell us.
[00:01:16] Yes, well, nothing, here we are like all the colleagues, no,
[00:01:19] always for the same thing, the
[00:01:22] situation we are going through that affects us all, it's
[00:01:26] affecting everyone and it's difficult, well, they already came
[00:01:30] to accompany us too,
[00:01:33] are already there, if the owner of the because uh it's awful, the truth is it's
[00:01:35] awful not to have anyone to count on because they left you, they left us on the
[00:01:39] street, uh, without anything, without anything, they don't take responsibility for the
[00:01:42] debt they have with us for 4 months, of course, they don't want to pay us
[00:01:46] indemnities either, they don't take responsibility for anything. Let's see, Cris, give me a second, give
[00:01:50] me a second because the image you just gave us is
[00:01:52] tremendous. Uh, we are living a critical moment,
[00:01:56] obviously politics is not registering it, uh, nobody
[00:02:00] is taking responsibility for this, nor for the past, nobody, nobody,
[00:02:03] come on, put it, put it, put it directly, nobody takes responsibility neither for the
[00:02:06] past nor the present, politics is a tennis match where
[00:02:10] it's either the Kukas or the libertarians and in the middle
[00:02:14] this happens, uh, this was achieved by the Kukas and the libertarians,
[00:02:17] guys, whatever you want, we can talk about what will
[00:02:22] we come to happen on the 15th, we can talk about whether Cristina gave you a notebook or not,
[00:02:26] we can talk about whether she will dollarize the economy or not.
[00:02:30] if Caputo will stay or not, in the middle we are living
[00:02:34] this situation, look, I remember seeing these shocking images in the
[00:02:37] year 2001 where the crisis
[00:02:40] 247, one would manage things obviously we couldn't blame Fernando de la Rúa entirely for it, that was more than
[00:02:43] clear, there was an Alfonsín who had left a country in flames, there was a Menem
[00:02:47] who had also done it and de la Rúa received it and the country remained as
[00:02:50] it remained, clearly there was a movie and we saw the end at
[00:02:54] that moment, well I think we are seeing the end of that movie
[00:02:57] unfortunately and the end of that... movie is marked for me by
[00:03:01] precise surveys that have been done in the city of Córdoba where Mr.
[00:03:05] Javier Milei has dropped
[00:03:07] neighbor doing here, how is she? 30 points, that's right, the opposition does not even reach
[00:03:10] seven points, uh, seven, the Peronist opposition in
[00:03:13] Córdoba has seven points, Axel
[00:03:16] Kicillof, Massa measures six and seven points,
[00:03:20] Milei has dropped 30 points, he is the one they all rely on
[00:03:23] again, guys, uh, they have stolen, they are stealing the merchandise,
[00:03:27] that workers are blocking because
[00:03:30] they haven't been paid by the employers for 4 months, 4 months, could
[00:03:34] you resist 4 months without being paid, without being paid an
[00:03:37] indemnity, that's not a right, for workers, it's a right,
[00:03:40] it's not a right, I say and they are stealing the chickens, this can
[00:03:44] end very, very badly, uh, this can
[00:03:47] end very, very badly and this message, these images
[00:03:51] are for the police who have to see this, the justice system that has to deal with
[00:03:55] this, who are not taking action, of course, the long weekend
[00:03:58] and the guys are going to...
[00:04:00] but for 4 months, where is justice in this? For 4 months
[00:04:04] you realize that we are still with
[00:04:07] laws and judges acting as in 1900, I don't know,
[00:04:10] 30, guys, get your act together, that's what they pay you for, you're
[00:04:13] judges, act, uh, what happened, they sent receivers, what
[00:04:17] did they do in the company that
[00:04:21] it's emptied and the workers out? Let's see, what justice should do is
[00:04:24] take care of those who were fired before this,
[00:04:48] of course, what you said, the chickens
[00:05:49] we eat, don't worry.
[00:05:51] As a curiosity, I'm going to ask who
[00:05:58] is the owner of this film, he is Joaquín de Gracia, son of
[00:06:02] Gaspar de Gracia, an Italian immigrant, but it says that the
[00:06:05] story that became the most
[00:06:10] poultry group in the country,
[00:06:13] but it also says that it is
[00:06:16] going through a deep financial
[00:06:19] crisis, the police arrive, eh, the police arrive at the scene, we go
[00:06:22] acknowledging a
[00:06:31] Granja Tres Arroyos, we are with Fernando, with José, with all the
[00:06:34] workers, with 994
[00:06:38] chickens, because six were taken, there were 10,000 chickens in those trucks that...
[00:07:13] without without getting paid, literally, yes, yes, literally 4 months and much more
[00:07:16] too because 4 months have passed and well, they passed today because
[00:07:20] I'm constantly here with the kids at the camp and
[00:07:23] and well, as I say, it's a pretty difficult situation to deal with
[00:07:27] because one also has to understand that
[00:07:30] one has a family and needs the money to have a job but
[00:07:35] claim what's ours, we don't come to ask for anything for free because they left
[00:07:39] us on the street with delayed salaries. I ask
[00:07:42] delayed that at least if they
[00:07:46] paid what they owed and well they fired us and paid us that 50% that by
[00:07:50] law they established with article
[00:07:53] differently and we wouldn't be here doing what we are doing now, right? Uh
[00:07:57] and what ages are they? Uh 10 and 7
[00:08:00] years old. What do you say to them when you say you come here, you're in
[00:08:04] a tent, are they going to sleep here? Are they doing this? How do you
[00:08:07] explain it to them? And they were just asking me where we were sleeping, they didn't know that, they didn't know it's the
[00:08:11] first time they come. And they ask me where do they sleep and where do they sleep?
[00:08:14] Here we are standing on the benches that you are
[00:08:18] seeing here under the
[00:08:37] observing about this company is that it's incredible,
[00:08:40] it exports to 70 countries.
[00:09:03] They worked with us, without us very few
[00:09:06] people remained inside, and they continue working at 100% with the few people there
[00:09:10] also with people paying them
[00:09:12] two cents because they work for 40 thousand, and us, by working
[00:09:16] for free, that's how everything was put together.
[00:09:19] because today this effect could be
[00:09:21] contagious to the rest of the neighborhoods, right? This
[00:09:25] night the truck can't continue, more police will die too, eh, look there
[00:09:29] more police arrive, more police at this moment
[00:09:32] begin to guard the chickens, the guarding
[00:09:35] of chickens begins at this moment
[00:09:38] there we see look they are approaching with
[00:10:12] for what's ours, the problem is the risks, uh, what we are asking is that they catch
[00:10:16] up with the debts, of course, of course, the risks, of course, uh,
[00:10:20] here, well, you who are here spending the night, are here stopping,
[00:10:25] what are they living on, what are they living on blocking the entrance, right? I mean, there are employees
[00:10:27] inside, in a while they will have more people, I don't know, if people come who want to
[00:10:31] enter, do you let them in? People pass, people pass, what we
[00:10:34] are blocking
[00:10:37] while people steal the is, is, I don't blame
[00:10:41] them, they are starving, the truth is they are
[00:10:44] starving, there is hunger in Argentina, obviously there always was, but
[00:10:48] I repeat this, it is nothing against the president of the nation, what
[00:10:52] I am saying is a problem that politics has not been able to
[00:10:55] solve the big messes that politics has generated and
[00:10:58] the truth is that there is a lot of anger and in the middle these
[00:11:02] workers are mixed in, who haven't been paid for 4 months, what
[00:11:06] would you do, who is on the other side? Wouldn't you make a similar protest? Well,
[00:11:09] the guys are doing it and in the middle they don't let the chickens that
[00:11:13] are going to slaughter enter and they end up stealing them. I'm talking to a person who
[00:11:17] knows a lot about chickens because he has a chicken shop, he says chickens are very
[00:11:20] sensitive, they get stressed and die, of course, of course,
[00:11:23] of course, well, but look, if they die, you can't
[00:11:27] sell them, that is, everything is lost, everything, of course, if they don't go to
[00:11:30] slaughter urgently, they clearly die, they die of stress,
[00:11:34] any animal stressed dies,
[00:11:37] of course, be careful, it can be a pig, it can be a cow, it can be whatever
[00:11:41] else, also there they are crammed like stones
[00:11:45] at 7 in the morning, now the question is the following, who called the police
[00:11:48] there, Rolo, who called the police? But it was the
[00:11:52] police, maybe they see Crónica and the police go. But they
[00:11:58] farm doesn't go, but they are already there, they are already there, the important thing is that the
[00:12:01] police are already there, because to prevent them from taking the chickens,
[00:12:05] let's go there, they are stealing the chickens, if the driver
[00:12:08] gets off and says, "don't steal my chickens," and there is a reaction, then it is
[00:12:12] dangerous, but what I want to say is the following, you say they were
[00:12:15] watching Crónica, probably, now who should have
[00:12:19] been in that place before Crónica? The manager, the
[00:12:22] justice, the owner,
[00:12:59] road.
[00:13:02] Hungry neighbors steal the chickens.
[00:13:06] Look, there we have the three images, one part of Moreno where
[00:13:10] a person of Chinese origin gives work to Argentinians, then
[00:13:13] you have, that's it, that is, then you have people who go to steal chickens
[00:13:17] that were going to go directly to slaughter but couldn't enter the Granja Tres Arroyos
[00:13:20] plant because the workers are there, that's
[00:13:24] hunger.
[00:13:55] But it's not the workers doing that. With what dignity do the guys,
[00:14:02] not consider it a theft.
[00:14:07] The worker paid.
[00:14:18] fired. I never could say the word "I resign,"
[00:14:22] they always told me "you're fired."
[00:14:41] There they are, guys, it's incredible, four police cars arrived, we are seeing three on this side behind the trucks and
[00:14:45] the other one located on the other side of the corner, strong custody
[00:14:48] then for the chicken truck, for the chicken trucks, there are two
[00:14:51] trucks, we are talking about 10,000 chickens, 5
[00:14:55] in each truck with two trailers behind and we see it completely loaded with
[00:14:59] chickens, recently, well, some people appeared who took
[00:15:02] some chickens on motorcycles, others running, and the police arrived just in time
[00:15:06] because more people were coming too, who were seen in
[00:15:10] carts, perhaps with the intention of taking some chickens to
[00:15:13] their homes, ah, we are seeing four police cars there, sorry, five
[00:15:17] police cars in total, I hear more sirens in the distance, of course,
[00:15:21] of course, a strong operation to then guard the chickens, eh,
[00:15:24] but it's fine, I don't know how this will continue, they had
[00:15:28] to appear, two kids had to appear stealing three
[00:15:31] chickens for them to appear, more or less we are talking about a volume of money
[00:15:34] there, eh, in the trucks, 5,500 pesos
[00:15:38] each point costs. Each live chicken, no, not each live chicken, uh, each live chicken would be around
[00:15:42] two thousand more or less, two thousand two hundred more or less, there are 20 million
[00:15:45] pesos more or less there in that place, a
[00:15:55] place, eh, more police movement then, we see
[00:15:58] police cars on the corners, we see the 80 lined up who are here
[00:16:01] precisely asking for their jobs back or to be paid
[00:16:05] correctly, but well, we also see a lot of
[00:16:08] movement in the neighborhood because obviously someone wanted to come and get a chicken, it's
[00:16:12] sad but it's the reality, yes, the truth, yes, obviously we have
[00:16:16] nothing to do with those people, as my colleague clarified, we are
[00:16:19] doing something else, asking for what's ours, but well, that's how it
[00:16:23] is, unfortunately the country is like this, but let the
[00:16:25] trucks in so we avoid a looting, how
[00:16:29] is, how is the country like this, said Cristian the
[00:16:32] worker, that's right, the country is like this, why
[00:16:36] do you think it's like this?
[00:17:38] that opened a few days ago, good, a few
[00:17:41] days ago, that has to do with Granja Tres Arroyos, there
[00:17:45] it is, uh, look, this, these are, let's say, the owners, a
[00:17:48] photovoltaic plant, oh, look at that, all with our
[00:17:52] money.
[00:17:55] How, José? They did that with our money, because that, that investment, that
[00:17:59] investment is with the money they owe us, I think that was inaugurated three
[00:18:02] months ago, we had been standing inside the plant for three months,
[00:18:06] claiming what was ours. In four months, you understand? What do you
[00:18:09] say to these people here, look, sitting eating
[00:18:13] calmly, look at this, this image, this
[00:18:15] image.
[00:18:17] That's the country, those are the entrepreneurs, that's the life of the entrepreneur, but the thieves
[00:18:21] are the kids, eh, of course, the thieves are the kids, not them,
[00:18:24] of course, that's right, 26 million pesos per truck,
[00:18:27] approximately 26 per truck, so you have 50, 50 million, eh,
[00:18:42] then interviewing with the people from the trucks, I calculate that they are
[00:18:45] well, seeing the logistics and the way to take care of these
[00:18:48] 10,000 chickens, now they are 900,
[00:18:57] there it is.
[00:19:00] All the chickens, of course, an entire operation also, what they are asking, I imagine, is that everything will be
[00:19:04] spoiled, right? No, the idea is
[00:19:08] that someone from the company comes here to take charge
[00:19:11] to find a solution to this conflict, because that's what one looks for as a
[00:19:15] worker, that they offer us something because we don't have a cent, more wood arrives,
[00:19:18] look, Rolo, more wood arrives then to spend the night because some
[00:19:22] neighbors are sleeping here with their mate, this is really terrible, an entire neighborhood on edge, we are
[00:19:26] here in the neighborhood, uh, in the Pinazo neighborhood, look, all the neighbors are
[00:19:30] starting to approach, we see them bringing some logs, the night will obviously be cold,
[00:19:34] it may rain, there is a high probability that it will rain, it is totally
[00:19:37] clouded and you are here resisting, waiting for them to give you
[00:19:41] explanations, here we have two stranded trucks with 1000 chickens and the
[00:19:44] neighbors that we see approaching, eh, the place, I really don't know if you expect
[00:19:48] someone to come here and tell you something, we hope, that's exactly what we are here for, for them to
[00:19:52] give a solution to this, for them to give us an answer about the money they owe us, they
[00:19:56] owe us full compensation, 4 months of salary, they owe us, they owe us
[00:19:59] full bonus, they owe us 50 hours of bonus from last
[00:20:03] year, 50 hours of bonus from this year, they owe us
[00:20:06] holidays that they haven't paid, but we have worked unpaid, that is
[00:20:10] terrible, the debt is terrible, how much money is there in
[00:20:13] chickens? They leave, but an approximate idea, I don't know how much it is
[00:20:17] here, I really can't answer that because I don't know how much, but how much do you sell each
[00:20:20] chicken for here? Look, here you have here, the farm has a store and
[00:20:24] I think each 2 and a half kg chicken they sell for 800, 9000
[00:20:27] pesos, a chicken, a chicken and I think a box of chickens
[00:20:31] is 70 more
[00:21:09] Do you think that people who are starving have to be lying in the street with bad clothes? Today
[00:21:12] people are hungry even with work, today people are hungry
[00:21:15] dressing what according to you is good, I mean, you think
[00:21:19] something else. Do you have an idea of the hunger that is real hunger? That is not
[00:21:23] hunger, that guy is not malnourished,
[00:21:27] let's not dispute that, let's not dispute that, because the origin of all
[00:21:30] this is the businessman who steals, here I have not heard
[00:21:34] any criticism of the businessman who steals, that is, truly
[00:21:37] we should not discuss, we should not enter into the argument if six
[00:21:41] chickens were stolen, you understand, wait, if those trucks had not had the
[00:21:45] police now, which were like six patrol cars, if they did not have the
[00:21:48] patrol cars, nothing would be left.
[00:21:59] Here the first one who steals from the workers is the
[00:22:04] the man who is with his two little daughters, the truth is I have
[00:22:07] two daughters, I could be in that place, they could have screwed me over, the guy is
[00:22:11] clean, the guy has a very
[00:22:13] neat beard, the guy is middle class, he is a worker who is stolen from by the
[00:22:17] businessman, nobody says anything, well, because I'm a lawyer.
[00:23:13] in two years, two, three years they will probably fix something and they will fix it for less, so the one who gets screwed is the poor
[00:23:17] guy who is sitting in that chair all night long. 30 guys
[00:23:21] who can fix it, at least fix it, they don't want to
[00:23:24] fix it, do you understand that they don't want to fix it? Tomorrow, how does the company start? The
[00:23:28] company doesn't open tomorrow, do you know
[00:23:30] why the police are there? Yes, why? Because a group had been formed precisely to
[00:23:34] loot, checked that they had formed a whatsapp group to be able to loot, Cristian did you hear
[00:23:38] that? A group was being formed to loot the trucks, we are with you, go ahead live.
[00:23:50] complaining, the neighbors, let's see, let's see if I can approach the neighbor to ask her,
[00:23:53] there's the mate, how is the
[00:23:57] Good, she's drinking mate,
[00:24:01] she's watching Crónica, no,
[00:24:09] taking the chickens, and she came to see if they were giving any away, yes, I want
[00:24:12] one, the lady wants one, of course, which
[00:24:15] then. they were looting them, they weren't
[00:24:19] después.
[00:24:54] giving them away, no, of course, they were looting
[00:24:58] them. they are
[00:25:01] stealing. Well, there it goes, there
[00:25:04] we go, well, now we don't know
[00:25:11] blocking the plant while they are blocking, they take chickens for
[00:25:15] slaughter and in the middle the neighbors who try to go
[00:25:19] take chickens. They try to loot the trucks, a group was forming,
[00:25:22] Lucas just said, that's why six passengers arrived
[00:25:25] at the place, a group was forming to loot all the trucks, Lucas, is
[00:25:29] that so? Exactly, a whatsapp group where they were notifying the different neighbors
[00:25:33] that the trucks were stopped there and that the chickens could be taken,
[00:25:38] can be taken, they are stealing them, so
[00:25:41] and with a cell phone you are no longer hungry, you understand what
[00:25:45] I'm telling you, no, I can't, of course yes, of course
[00:25:48] yes, no, yes, in that sense you can be hungry
[00:25:52] and have a phone.
[00:25:55] we are trying to talk with a neighbor from
[00:25:59] Granja Tres Arroyos who wrote to us, we are trying to call him, Tomás, and he tells us: I am
[00:26:02] a neighbor of Granja Tres Arroyos, I ask him where he is and look at the photo he sends me,
[00:26:06] that is, he is next to it, there it is, we see that he is really next
[00:26:10] to where this demonstration is taking place and he tells me it is a
[00:26:12] shame that factory always has problems with the poor
[00:26:16] workers, so he sends me an audio and now we are trying to
[00:26:20] call him and he tells us that there are always problems with the workers, that there are always
[00:26:23] problems from the employer with the workers, there is no problem, they don't pay them,
[00:26:27] there is no problem, but besides that, besides this situation, he says. many years that
[00:26:31] they are, of course, but he lives near
[00:26:35] problems, look, uh, here in Entre Ríos, I was in Entre Ríos,
[00:26:38] very close to La Paz, these guys are very big, eh, the river has
[00:26:42] very, very, very large poultry farms, no, they have also screwed people over like
[00:26:45] crazy, so what
[00:26:49] you have the employers stealing from the workers and well, then the
[00:26:52] workers block the plant and in the middle of the plant blockage, the
[00:26:56] justice does nothing because it's a long weekend, so it's very far away
[00:27:00] now the police are forced to go because of the images we were
[00:27:03] showing, but nobody was taking charge of the place either,
[00:27:07] that is, the employer didn't even ask for
[00:27:24] know, do you know, José, where the trucks are going? No
[00:27:28] idea. They called
[00:27:31] for
[00:28:02] to go where the chickens are going and we don't
[00:28:06] know, we have to leave here because as they came in, they came to
[00:28:10] steal today, uh, we run the risk of
[00:28:13] them stealing everything from us, of course, the merchandise, how long do the chickens last,
[00:28:17] in how much time should they be taken out? And
[00:28:21] tomorrow, tomorrow,
[00:28:31] taking him, Cristian, where are they
[00:28:35] And we have to, we don't have
[00:28:53] have to go, of course. The chickens return
[00:28:56] to
[00:28:59] their place of origin and to the place of origin they cannot return and no.
[00:29:32] Poor guy, it's fine, but the plant is blocked, eh, he can't
[00:29:36] work, eh, and he doesn't work on the other side, that
[00:29:45] it is, eh, so the first truck, the one behind, is moving, so the trucks are going to leave the
[00:29:49] place, from what they told us, they have no destination, the only thing they
[00:29:52] told them was to leave the place because of the chicken
[00:29:55] theft, so to avoid chicken theft, apparently they already spoke with the police and asked
[00:29:59] them to leave. The place, they still don't
[00:30:02] know where they are coming from, the police cannot guarantee
[00:30:05] safety, they cannot guarantee it and they cannot guarantee it, they should,
[00:30:09] they should, it's the state, if not what do we do? No, the
[00:30:13] state should be there so that the plant is not stopped, the state should be there for
[00:30:16] something else, you cannot protect that, uh, what do we do? The workers
[00:30:20] are totally within their rights, eh, no, no, there are two things here, one
[00:30:24] has to do with the theft or looting of the
[00:30:28] animals and that is the labor problem,
[00:30:31] it was fine, but that is the heritage of a
[00:30:34] company, of course, let's say, the company wants to put money in and
[00:30:37] add, buddy, what does the police have to do there? Obviously, they have to
[00:30:41] retreat. Where is Lucas going? He can't allow them to violate private property. I can't
[00:30:45] steal chickens, they will move before they have to
[00:30:47] leave,
[00:30:51] the truck has to leave so they