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[00:00:08] your husband and other merchants who are there in the neighborhood are
[00:00:12] she wasn't accompanied precisely with forced to invest in improving the
[00:00:15] street to be able to continue to have clientele
[00:00:18] so that people can come to buy. You merchants
[00:00:22] from that neighborhood, if you don't fix the streets, you'll lose customers because
[00:00:26] it's impossible. This that is happening that you're telling us about,
[00:00:30] I heard it yesterday from a woman in General
[00:00:32] will surely be Rodríguez, eh, I heard it in other
[00:00:35] towns in different areas in the province of Buenos Aires, where
[00:00:39] people, the neighbor has to spend
[00:00:42] out of their own pocket to install streetlights, fill the
[00:00:46] potholes, eh, paint the street signs
[00:00:49] with the names of the street, eh,
[00:00:52] help unblock the ditches with rotten water, because this is what
[00:00:55] is seen in many, many neighborhoods in the province of Buenos Aires, unfortunately it's a
[00:01:01] bites from wild animals in reality. that must be said, there
[00:01:02] the area, had a wound in is a certain state of abandonment in many places, now that the neighbor himself, who is currently
[00:01:06] economically
[00:01:09] could be the way struggling, that the merchant who suffers from the drop in sales and
[00:01:13] consumption has to spend to fix the streets, it already
[00:01:16] seems to me that it's the limit, they can't do more
[00:01:19] Aurelia, and besides, you suffer from insecurity, I mean,
[00:01:23] it's a deadly combo,
[00:01:24] this.
[00:01:28] Yes, supposedly. It's like that and
[00:01:31] yes, here where we
[00:01:35] sell, there's light in front here, but it's
[00:01:38] from us, it's not them who put
[00:01:42] it. We put it ourselves
[00:01:45] so that there is light, for example, only in this part,
[00:01:49] but further than that, we can't help
[00:01:52] as everyone
[00:01:56] does, we only put it in this part. So a little while ago you told us that the
[00:02:00] other business had also suffered a similar robbery. Are you
[00:02:03] talking to the owners of other businesses there in your own
[00:02:07] neighborhood or in other nearby places? What are they telling you?
[00:02:10] What is the situation they are
[00:02:12] photographs of experiencing?
[00:02:16] clothes that they would have found very close to Uh, this, I told him that the same robbery
[00:02:19] that happened, happened in Alpino, but I don't
[00:02:22] know about the one that is a
[00:02:24] nearby neighborhood, this one you're mentioning, no, no, it's a
[00:02:28] bit far, it's a bit far. Alpino is far from here,
[00:02:31] in, I don't know, a kilometer it could be.
[00:02:35] And I don't know because that, when
[00:02:39] it happened, that same afternoon they took my husband to
[00:02:43] started today at 7 in declare at 7, around there, so at that moment, the
[00:02:46] guy arrived and said he
[00:02:50] arrived bleeding and came
[00:02:52] while to see who can inform us, what to file a complaint because they took his weapon, the guy had a
[00:02:55] weapon when he was buying, he said they hit him with the butt
[00:02:59] of the gun in the face and he came bleeding, he said, he was
[00:03:02] an older man, he said, so
[00:03:06] the owner didn't come to report it. Aurelia, we ask you for a
[00:03:09] minute, a minute,
[00:03:11] dressed, eh, that's what's Aurelia, stay with Juan Pablo Weerry and with our colleague who is there, eh, we are
[00:03:15] going to continue chatting with you, the truth is that the story impacts, it hurts, not only for what
[00:03:18] you had to live through, the robbery and the beating you suffered, but also for the effort that
[00:03:22] you make first as neighbors and then as merchants to
[00:03:26] be able to sustain the blocks, the streets of the neighborhood there
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[00:06:45] Tragedy in Spain, search for a missing Argentinian,
[00:06:48] Agustín Randazzo was traveling in one of the wagons that fell down an
[00:06:52] embankment due to the impact of the crash, his family stated that
[00:06:55] they still have no news about his
[00:06:57] whereabouts.
[00:07:04] National teachers' strike, commotion over the discovery of Nancy. The
[00:07:08] teacher had been missing since October 7th, her
[00:07:12] body. It was semi-submerged meters away, a
[00:07:15] bag and a pair of
[00:07:16] boots were found.
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[00:07:48] Last
[00:07:49] minute,
[00:07:56] the worst ending for
[00:07:58] Nancy.
[00:08:01] The body begins to speak, how they
[00:08:03] killed her,
[00:08:07] the prosecutor's doubts about the
[00:08:09] detainees.
[00:08:13] They suspect she was murdered and her body was taken
[00:08:15] to the place of
[00:08:17] discovery.
[00:08:20] Everyone's question, why did they kill
[00:08:22] Nancy?
[00:08:29] Well, let's start with the end, the question that still has no answer, why
[00:08:33] did they kill Nancy, this 52-year-old
[00:08:36] teacher, there in the province of Corrientes? What did
[00:08:40] Nancy see, what did Nancy know, what happened? She
[00:08:42] eh,
[00:08:44] the femicide occurs due to an attempted sexual
[00:08:48] abuse, the femicide occurs due to the complaints Nancy made regarding
[00:08:51] the femicide occurs because there are
[00:08:55] other things that Nancy discovered and was about to
[00:08:58] and eh they
[00:09:03] in that estate from being known, these are several questions that the prosecutor still
[00:09:07] has no answer to, the correct thing is that eh
[00:09:10] yesterday the body was found. And the
[00:09:13] testimony of the brother of one of the detainees, of the only
[00:09:17] detainee,
[00:09:19] was very important. This woman who worked at the same estate, this woman who declared at some point that she
[00:09:23] fed Nancy, even declared that on Friday the 9th
[00:09:26] she had brought food to Nancy, that she had seen her alive,
[00:09:30] perhaps to gain time in the different
[00:09:33] versions that were later given as the detainees declared to the
[00:09:37] prosecutor, but the declaration of the brother of that
[00:09:40] detained woman helped.
[00:09:43] So that the prosecutor could arrive and find Nancy's body.
[00:09:46] Come on, now based on what you are mentioning, what I
[00:09:50] wonder is, with the errors that we always have to
[00:09:54] deal with when we have to report this type of case, the
[00:09:58] scene was not preserved,
[00:10:00] there was no perimeter that was totally preserved
[00:10:04] understanding that that school could be an important
[00:10:07] place, I mean, where they end up finding
[00:10:10] Nancy's body. If we are talking once
[00:10:14] again about a place that was not preserved, where the
[00:10:17] delinquent, the delinquent murderers entered that
[00:10:21] place and discarded Nancy's body as if nothing had
[00:10:25] happened. On the other hand, the first thing I have to ask myself is,
[00:10:29] why would they carry out an action like this, why would they
[00:10:32] complicate themselves, why would they put themselves in such a complex
[00:10:35] situation, returning to the place where Nancy herself had
[00:10:39] disappeared, was it so that the body wouldn't be near
[00:10:42] where, and another question that will be very
[00:10:46] important is, was Nancy kidnapped or
[00:10:50] did she die the same day and ended up being murdered the same
[00:10:53] day she disappeared? That
[00:10:57] resolved by the autopsy of Nancy's body,
[00:11:00] the teacher. The first version that emerged yesterday, and we'll add
[00:11:04] Gastón Marote, when they found the body
[00:11:07] semi-submerged in that swamp with that
[00:11:10] bag with clothes, with
[00:11:12] footwear, very close to where the body was found, about 10
[00:11:16] meters approximately, the version that became known over
[00:11:20] the hours is that Nancy's body, in addition to the
[00:11:27] the stomach area that the prosecutor
[00:11:30] estimates, believes, presumes
[00:11:34] the teacher was killed, exactly Dani, and also you
[00:11:38] just mentioned the brother of one of the detainees, Joaquín Leguizamón, let's put his
[00:11:41] full name, brother of Rosa, one of the main suspects, beyond
[00:11:45] the fact that the material perpetrator could be or
[00:11:49] is oriented towards Irineo Sarza, the foreman of the
[00:11:52] Curupí estate, but... he was the one who
[00:11:56] declared and would have provided, let's say in potential, the area
[00:11:59] or would have oriented, so to speak, in the place where the searches were carried out yesterday
[00:12:03] and finally they found Nancy's body.
[00:12:07] They say they hadn't searched that place before, it wasn't searched, no, no, no, no,
[00:12:11] in fact, they got there guided by the statement, a statement from
[00:12:14] Joaquín Leízamo, what did he say? Well, obviously, the
[00:12:18] testimony is not yet available, but in principle, they didn't arrest him either, because you
[00:12:21] say, well, if you say where the body
[00:12:24] could be, and it turns out it's there, you could have some connection to
[00:12:28] that, but apparently it would be from something the sister heard in some
[00:12:32] messages and so on, because messages also
[00:12:35] appear, and we'll comment on that later, messages from the
[00:12:38] seized cell phones of two of the detainees, in which
[00:12:42] there is also an orientation, because the justice, at least a week ago,
[00:12:46] already classified it as femicide, they still needed to find the body, unfortunately,
[00:12:49] no, but why do they directly classify it as femicide based on certain matters
[00:12:53] and certain messages? That they found on the cell phones that we'll talk about
[00:12:57] later, but yes, Joaquín Lee Samón's contribution was fundamental, and there are
[00:13:01] five detainees, of whom perhaps one, who is the least serious, Bordón, who was the
[00:13:04] first, but pay attention to this name, Ernesto Bordón, no, Ernesto
[00:13:07] Bordón, at the very beginning, when he goes to
[00:13:11] testify and is detained, he is indicted, I think, for perjury, perjury,
[00:13:14] eh, Bordón is the person who
[00:13:18] declares in a first instance that Nancy was
[00:13:22] killed by two people and that they had thrown
[00:13:26] the body far from the rural school, that is Bordón's first declaration,
[00:13:29] Bordón's. What happens next is that a renowned media
[00:13:33] family lawyer appears, yes, who begins to try
[00:13:37] to distort that statement by saying that he is a laborer, that he has no
[00:13:41] education, that he is illiterate, that the
[00:13:45] police beat him, pressured him, threatened him to
[00:13:48] make this type of statement, but at that time, when he is
[00:13:52] arrested days after the complaint. Remember that Nancy, the
[00:13:56] last contact she had with one of her children was on October 7th and the family filed the
[00:14:00] complaint a week later, not because they weren't
[00:14:03] interested in what was happening with the teacher, but because it was the time it took
[00:14:06] Nancy to return, she was a week at school and then she returned,
[00:14:10] that had to be added to the El Niño effect, the rain, the storms
[00:14:14] that made it even more difficult for the teacher to leave her little school
[00:14:17] to return home, first a stretch on horseback and then by car
[00:14:21] on the road, no, eh, so it didn't call attention
[00:14:25] that they didn't have contact, when the complaint is made and Bordón declares after
[00:14:29] that complaint, I insist with this data that today is not minor, Gastón, no,
[00:14:33] at that moment, Bordón said Nancy was killed, it was
[00:14:36] two men and they threw her very far from the little school,
[00:14:40] which is what happened yesterday, it was discovered that it was practically how
[00:14:44] much? 15 km, no, 2 km,
[00:14:47] let's say all 15 km, sir, but then it was adjusted
[00:14:53] the little school, from the school. A little more than the distance, 5
[00:14:56] km, difficult access, very difficult, water
[00:14:59] and vegetation, this is one of the points, extensive
[00:15:02] swamps, flooded area, dense
[00:15:05] vegetation, there are no passable roads for conventional
[00:15:09] vehicles, nor for people who can
[00:15:13] get there on foot, therefore, the first thing to say
[00:15:16] is if there is no path where people commonly
[00:15:19] travel, neither by vehicle nor by walking, that it can be
[00:15:23] with some animal, even with some horse, which is the way Nancy
[00:15:27] herself moved, we are talking primarily about a
[00:15:30] baqueano, about a person who knew that the body would not be found
[00:15:34] in that place, at least not immediately. And there is another
[00:15:38] issue that is very important in the investigation is that in the
[00:15:41] place where they end up finding Nancy there is no signal of any kind,
[00:15:45] therefore the geolocation was very
[00:15:48] difficult to establish, yes, that's why the contribution of Rosa's brother is fundamental,
[00:15:52] but I ask another question, if you can only get to the place
[00:15:55] on horseback because it gives the impression that that is eh the
[00:15:59] clue, eh, if they say dense vegetation,
[00:16:02] therefore if you don't know, if you don't know the place you can't even get there on
[00:16:06] horseback.
[00:16:16] Yes, if one is a ranch foreman, there are two foremen on the
[00:16:20] ranch. Well, that's why I say, give me the last names
[00:16:24] of the foremen, you have Irineo Sarza,
[00:16:27] you have Rojas who is Rosa Leguizamón's husband,
[00:16:31] you have Bordón himself and Sandoval, and Sandoval. Sandoval and Sarza are the
[00:16:34] foremen of the ranch there in Esquina. Eh,
[00:16:38] knowledgeable, experienced, many years working in the place, they know how to
[00:16:41] move through the swamps, eh, it's an area where they found the body
[00:16:45] with difficult access, yes, clearly, but not for everyone, for the prosecutor
[00:16:49] surely, for the police personnel as well, for Nancy,
[00:16:52] absolutely, eh, for any of us, difficult
[00:16:56] access, now not for someone who is a local, someone who is a foreman of an estate who
[00:16:59] knows every corner, who knows how to manage the horse's times and fears
[00:17:03] and how to transport cattle with those characteristics
[00:17:06] of the land and how to transport in this case the teacher's
[00:17:10] body, that's what the prosecutor is aiming for, no, but now there's also a
[00:17:13] clumsiness because the body remains semi-
[00:17:16] submerged and there's a bag that remains 10 meters from the place
[00:17:20] with belongings that were seized, eh, let's
[00:17:23] see, if this plan was armed, was orchestrated, was analyzed,
[00:17:26] thought out, why leave a bag so only 10 meters from Nancy's body, why
[00:17:30] leave Nancy's body exposed,
[00:17:33] another thing, some, I saw, yesterday I heard
[00:17:36] my friend and colleague Fed Frick and he asked this question with good
[00:17:40] reason, Fede, did they see the clothes that were
[00:17:43] seized in Rosa Leguizamón's house? No,
[00:17:47] they didn't see them, are there the burned
[00:17:53] the house of the foreman Sarza? Did they
[00:17:56] see them? Nobody saw absolutely anything, I'm not saying it's not in the
[00:17:59] case, I'm simply joining Fede's doubt regarding
[00:18:03] whether they exist or not or whether they were versions that
[00:18:06] were given. Commonly in the transparency that is carried out,
[00:18:10] they try to present or give some information to the press
[00:18:13] so that they observe, for example, that they have the specific evidence
[00:18:17] of how the seizures are carried out and the evidence that
[00:18:21] I ask, the clumsiness of leaving the bag and that can't
[00:18:24] also be that, let's say, they
[00:18:27] acted with impunity thinking that they would never find the body because in the end, thanks to
[00:18:31] Rosa's brother's contribution, the body is found, otherwise today maybe they would still be
[00:18:34] looking for it, I ask, eh, why did Rosa's brother
[00:18:38] break down? What made the brother break down? The brother knew
[00:18:42] because Rosa herself told him, because Sarza told
[00:18:45] him, because his brother-in-law told him at a family dinner, at a
[00:18:48] moment of intimacy with the family, because
[00:18:52] or because he heard something or because he saw how
[00:18:55] Nancy was killed, no, there are several questions,
[00:18:59] I go back to Bordón's statement, Bordón said in his statement
[00:19:02] he had seen, he had seen how they killed the
[00:19:06] teacher. In what way? With a cut in the stomach
[00:19:10] area, having seen the people, eh, and in that
[00:19:13] statement by Bordón, eh, when he tells the
[00:19:16] prosecutor, the first thing that comes up is to deny this because
[00:19:20] they treat him as illiterate, not as a person who invented
[00:19:23] everything, eh, simply to eh get away with it.
[00:19:27] Look, this is the chronology, forgive me, the timeline. October 6th,
[00:19:30] Nancy leaves her home in
[00:19:33] the morning heading to the Curupí estate, eh,
[00:19:37] and she always went there, first by car, then by horse, remember?
[00:19:40] Exactly, she was given, the horse from here, another thing, the horse Nancy
[00:19:44] used, did it appear? No, it didn't appear, because they couldn't
[00:19:47] find it, it's not hers, it's not Nancy's, the
[00:19:50] teacher's, it's from the estate, some linked
[00:19:54] it to a borrowed horse given by Rosa Lezama, but it never
[00:19:57] appeared, no, when they went to count the horses, which one was missing?
[00:20:01] Precisely the one Nancy used, you know
[00:20:04] Negrita, everyone knows that when someone gives you a horse, there's a kind
[00:20:08] of relationship, you know the horse's times, the horse gets used to the person
[00:20:12] riding it, that horse disappeared, now I have another question
[00:20:15] also regarding what you are mentioning, she
[00:20:19] said, she said and her son also confirmed
[00:20:22] that when she carried out these transfers of so many
[00:20:26] hours, there was usually someone who accompanied her, yes, they always
[00:20:30] took turns, well, maybe it could be the foreman, it could be Leguizamón's
[00:20:33] husband, maybe in this part of what
[00:20:37] Gastón was asking, whether the body, beyond the fact that I confirm the
[00:20:41] following, guys, a person with experience riding a horse
[00:20:44] can carry a calf, can carry a sheep, can carry absolutely
[00:20:48] live or some animal that they killed to butcher,
[00:20:51] so they could have
[00:20:55] easily without any kind of inconvenience, but what I wonder
[00:20:58] is if she wasn't with someone, if
[00:21:02] the horse and then they also made it disappear, they let the horse go, they made
[00:21:06] it disappear, clear, on October 7th at 8:34 PM
[00:21:09] exactly, Nancy's own son says that it is the
[00:21:13] last moment he communicates with his mother, to the question that
[00:21:16] we asked him, hey, do you think that message, that could have
[00:21:20] been from your mom, he said yes, that she was usually quite short or
[00:21:24] brief in the messages she wrote and the only thing she ended up indicating was that she was
[00:21:28] fine, well and you have October 8th, no, where from that moment because
[00:21:32] as Ana rightly pointed out it's the last contact, from October 8th
[00:21:35] the days of lack of communication begin to be counted,
[00:21:38] no messages, no calls, no signal
[00:21:42] of life and many, as I told you at one point, members of Nancy's
[00:21:46] family assumed it was due to the lack of
[00:21:50] signal in the area of the rural school, in the middle of the countryside, in the middle of an estate,
[00:21:53] and at the same time the weather situation, the El Niño effect that caused
[00:21:57] the storms that hit the Corrientes area a lot, the Esquina area,
[00:22:01] to prevent this woman you are seeing on screen from leaving the
[00:22:04] little school and taking longer to return home, you know what the message was, or rather,
[00:22:08] the data that finally convinced justice that there was a
[00:22:12] femicide even without having found the body, and that we
[00:22:15] obviously have to find out, is the expert report of two cell phones,
[00:22:19] on two cell phones. There is a message from one to another of those
[00:22:21] devices, the message is what do we do with the
[00:22:25] teacher, that message, there is a
[00:22:28] message from one of the detainees' cell phones to another detainee's
[00:22:32] cell phone, what do we do with the teacher? That
[00:22:35] message, exactly, one can interpret it in different ways, what do we do with the
[00:22:39] teacher before, before the femicide, what do we do with the
[00:22:42] teacher to make her shut up for something she is reporting, or what do we do with the
[00:22:46] teacher once she has been killed, what do we do with the teacher?
[00:23:20] Vale, we tell him, well, the technical part surely heard you,
[00:23:23] now yes, today is a day
[00:23:26] that we are all expectant regarding any
[00:23:29] preliminary report that may arise, the autopsy began at 7 in the
[00:23:33] morning in the city of Corrientes
[00:23:36] Capital, we are waiting for the beloved one who will be present in a
[00:23:42] we can confirm is that yesterday there was a press
[00:23:45] conference from the Ministry of Security where they explained how the procedures were.
[00:23:58] That is confirmed and the body was
[00:24:01] important, this, the body was dressed,
[00:24:05] eh, with this, what can we say, Mauro? Could
[00:24:08] I, I know it's too soon and these are speculations, you are in the
[00:24:12] place and you handle the information regarding
[00:24:15] eh, us who are here in a better
[00:24:18] way, no, but I mean this.
[00:24:20] Would this be ruling out the hypothesis of sexual
[00:24:23] abuse?
[00:24:26] moment because it is undoubtedly a place of discarding,
[00:24:30] of discarding. It is a very
[00:24:33] sloppy matter to be something very premeditated because the
[00:24:37] body is exposed outdoors, precisely the
[00:24:41] state of decomposition it has has to do with the fact that it was half
[00:24:44] in the water, half in the sun, the rains, the sun,
[00:24:48] rain, sun, sun, and it is very difficult, the
[00:24:51] experts said, that due to the
[00:24:54] state of decomposition, it is quite
[00:24:57] complex to find traces that could
[00:25:01] indicate if there was abuse. no, but
[00:25:04] I'll interrupt you, we have a breaking news, don't go, we'll continue with
[00:25:08] you,
[00:25:11] the latest
[00:25:14] news spoke.
[00:25:20] Nancy's family lawyer spoke,
[00:25:22] the primary
[00:25:26] hypothesis is sexual abuse followed by
[00:25:29] death,
[00:25:35] well, exactly what I asked Mauro, based on the fact that they found
[00:25:39] Nancy's body dressed, absolutely totally
[00:25:42] dressed, the first thing one asks is if sexual
[00:25:45] abuse is ruled out, however, for Nancy's family's lawyer, it is the main
[00:25:49] hypothesis. There are contradictions here, dressed could be
[00:25:52] dressed with torn clothes, that could be
[00:25:55] an interpretation, there is no information on how it
[00:25:59] was, how they found the clothes, it could also be Mauro that... semi
[00:26:03] submerged body has to do with the rise or not
[00:26:06] of that body of water where it was found as a consequence of the storms and
[00:26:10] temperatures, one does not know if it was dragged by
[00:26:13] some wild animal in the area also at some point it is
[00:26:17] very, very hard to go into details of how they found the
[00:26:20] body and very early and very early also, it
[00:26:24] is very early, what I can tell you,
[00:26:27] it's a field of tall grass, a field of tall grass where the body was lying
[00:26:31] and next to the tall grass, yes there is a pit, so
[00:26:34] evidently there was always some water, that's
[00:26:38] why the discard was very sloppy, clear, uh, always now
[00:26:42] the issue is that we cannot specify in terms of clothing because half of the
[00:26:46] torso is in very bad condition, it is in bad condition,
[00:26:50] so it is in bad condition, the body is in bad condition, you
[00:26:53] know Mauro, uh that yesterday at the last minute and a little before
[00:26:57] also there was talk of a wound in the area of the
[00:27:00] abdomen, not a wound that had caused Nancy's
[00:27:04] death, this, I don't know if this transcended
[00:27:08] officially or not, but no, no, uh, I asked a
[00:27:12] question, excuse me for interrupting you, I asked a
[00:27:14] question in relation to that and they explain to me that because of the
[00:27:18] state the body was in, there are certain
[00:27:21] detachments of the skin, of the flesh,
[00:27:25] sorry, I have to say, but it looks like
[00:27:28] gashes, but they cannot confirm anything, until the...
[00:27:32] but they cannot be, I ask you this Mauro, it is very
[00:27:36] specific data, but what my
[00:27:40] colleague was also asking you is important, there can be some kind of wound that is not
[00:27:44] necessarily from the attack but from the animals that
[00:27:47] roam the place, that is one of the questions and given the torn
[00:27:51] clothes, sorry, this literal thing I am
[00:27:54] mentioning, but it will be investigated, it could
[00:27:58] also be part of the same thing, you said that the
[00:28:00] extremities were not...
[00:28:03] there, we could say that that is also part of the same thing, no, there is a
[00:28:07] cut, sorry, sorry for the data that is
[00:28:10] strong, it is strong, but it has to do with the fact that
[00:28:13] apparently according to another source it is an area of
[00:28:16] piranhas, yes, that extremity
[00:28:20] was eaten by piranhas,
[00:28:23] yes, so uh, besides it suggests
[00:28:26] that being
[00:28:29] consumed by piranhas, that part
[00:28:33] of the torso could have been naked, so
[00:28:35] there is a lot that still needs to be investigated,
[00:28:38] to wait, it will take approximately 4 days,
[00:28:42] the autopsies already
[00:28:45] the morning, so we await preliminary reports, to see
[00:28:49] how this will continue, it is good that you mark with caution the
[00:28:52] different data of this investigation, Mauro, first out of
[00:28:56] respect for the family, this, of course and respect for
[00:29:00] the teacher.
[00:29:03] of course also, not in Nancy's memory, but you know that I
[00:29:06] believe that the perpetrators of this femicide or those who
[00:29:10] took the body because we don't know if the perpetrators were the same ones who took Nancy's body
[00:29:14] is there, we cannot determine it yet, uh I
[00:29:17] think they played with the possibility of the children's effect, the
[00:29:21] storm, the water level in that body of water so that the water
[00:29:24] could carry Nancy's body or that it would be totally
[00:29:28] submerged, so I think that they precisely played with this
[00:29:31] possibility. clearly from what you are telling us it did not happen
[00:29:35] based on the very harsh
[00:29:37] details with which Nancy's body was found,
[00:29:41] no, yes, no, but besides, I think they never
[00:29:43] imagined that all the national media would be covering it
[00:29:47] immediately and that this would generate this mega-operation that
[00:29:51] found the body, I think they played that speculation
[00:29:54] of "we put it in a place that nobody has and nature will take care
[00:29:58] of it, here it will remain as a missing person nothing more", well
[00:30:02] that. it worked and I speculate and I'm going to take this
[00:30:05] liberty, I speculate that this appearance of the body will
[00:30:09] change the psychology of the detained a bit and I think that
[00:30:13] something more will be able to be known because you say that someone might break down, yes
[00:30:17] I think they might break down because the body is already there, the body will somehow
[00:30:20] speak, so this pact that if we keep silent nothing
[00:30:24] will happen to us, I think that is broken, well two things Mauro I have
[00:30:27] to ask you, what led Rosa Leguizamón's sister
[00:30:31] to break down? and provide details to the prosecutor
[00:30:35] to to find Nancy's body
[00:30:38] what led the brother of the only detained, the only woman detained, to
[00:30:42] provide details where the body could be, and Joaquín
[00:30:45] Leguisamon was a person who was first pointed out by
[00:30:48] Gordón, yes, and Joaquín de
[00:30:52] in the sights of the investigation, yes, if he is
[00:30:55] looking for some salvation, I think it would have to do with that, not of...