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[00:00:00] in the sauce, as if, according to the prosecutor's office, to see that the area is
[00:00:03] liberated. I ask you, does it usually happen in the estancias,
[00:00:07] does it usually happen in the estancias where the
[00:00:10] foremen allow women to enter,
[00:00:13] when the owners of the estancias are not there,
[00:00:16] are there possibilities that the foremen instead
[00:00:20] of certain
[00:00:22] was always within what places, they make
[00:00:23] today, was there any progress with women arrive
[00:00:26] at those places? This has transpired, I mean, because of...
[00:00:30] the issue of violence that many
[00:00:33] point out that Sarza would have, right? This thing of I
[00:00:37] tell you something, let's see. Go ahead, I tell you something, what
[00:00:39] I could talk about with people in the area
[00:00:43] eh, they tell me the exact opposite, the exact opposite, those people
[00:00:47] tell me these people haven't seen a woman in a long time. I
[00:00:50] tell you what a person who was from the place tells me, she
[00:00:54] tells me no, that's impossible, there were no women there
[00:00:57] time, the focus was on for a long time, no access.
[00:01:00] No, they never saw women circulating there. Does this play in favor or
[00:01:03] against a sexual
[00:01:07] attack? And well, this is precisely part of what
[00:01:11] the police taking advantage, would be part of this theory. Mau, I interrupt you, red screen,
[00:01:14] don't go, great job as always, I know you're waiting for a lawyer,
[00:01:18] but red screen,
[00:01:19] go ahead.
[00:01:23] Last
[00:01:23] minute.
[00:01:28] The worst ending for Nancy.
[00:01:34] Yes, they found her body 15 km from the school,
[00:01:38] 2.5.
[00:01:43] There are five detainees for the femicide of the
[00:01:46] teacher. Who killed
[00:01:51] suffer Nancy?
[00:01:54] Well, and with this I correct the information, eh, we correct that because the
[00:01:58] first thing that was known was that it was 15 km away, then
[00:02:02] they corrected this information and said that it was
[00:02:06] generating mobilizations here at the house of 2.5 km away, difficult access, very complicated
[00:02:09] to get there only by horse, but well, it was 2
[00:02:12] km. Hello Ernesto, hello Sofi, how are you, how are you, good
[00:02:16] day. What is a sexual abuse? It is one of
[00:02:19] the ones that handles, the lawyer said it, the plaintiff's lawyer said it actually, the
[00:02:23] family's lawyer, who have years of this, what do you think
[00:02:26] is the truth? I wouldn't know, no, yes,
[00:02:30] there are pieces that I don't finish understanding within
[00:02:33] how the attack
[00:02:36] was orchestrated and put together. The
[00:02:40] truth is that it draws my attention, you know where the doubts are, because there are many people
[00:02:45] testimonies of a lawyer, what for sexual assault, which is not normal, which is not common for a
[00:02:47] the prosecution seeks, what femicide and there is a lot, it would be a lot of cover-up
[00:02:51] and also that they take it, that what I'm going to say is understood, it's not effective, no, no, it's not, informative,
[00:02:55] many people from the countryside,
[00:02:57] eh, many illiterate people and... with many errors when discarding the
[00:03:01] body, no, even the cell phone today Mauro pointed out was found in the
[00:03:05] bag with Nancy's clothes 10 meters from where the body was, I mean there are many things
[00:03:08] that are incorrect for what we usually observe, eh,
[00:03:12] it bothers me that there are so many people to simply cover what was a
[00:03:16] sexual attack, yes, the family from the beginning did not
[00:03:19] point to the issue that had to do with the school, with the complaints she had been
[00:03:23] making, it was one of the hypotheses, what do you
[00:03:25] think, eh,
[00:03:28] also there, there I don't know, there's something happening. It seems to me that
[00:03:31] we are seeing more and more eh that there
[00:03:35] is a hell in the interior of the provinces, we
[00:03:39] believe from the capital, at least me, I who am
[00:03:41] clearly, I who am like a porteño think, hey, in something bucolic,
[00:03:45] you know, people are in the, are in the middle of the countryside and they live with
[00:03:49] animals and enjoy the sun, life and each time we see, what
[00:03:52] can I say, I think this, I think that in country people there is
[00:03:55] evil, not only evil but eh something
[00:03:59] twisted.
[00:04:04] Ernesto, that always existed, the thing is that we are finding out now
[00:04:08] because technology is advancing and we are finding out about things that were unthinkable before, that
[00:04:12] used to stay behind closed doors, totally, but one from here thinks,
[00:04:15] hey, look how the countryside is, your urban image, a quiet
[00:04:19] place where people enjoy nature, you know there is labor exploitation,
[00:04:22] you know there is black labor, but you never imagine the
[00:04:26] degree of, you don't imagine, eh, you don't imagine.
[00:04:42] laws, eh, criminal, because it's the quiet, it's the quiet line that you describe, Nancy was no longer
[00:04:45] within that line, Nancy was denouncing a lot of things that involved other
[00:04:49] people for the abandonment of the school, this that you point out, we asked Mauro,
[00:04:52] Mauro, Mauro, is this hypothesis completely ruled out
[00:04:56] that at some point was considered, was handled, the issue of
[00:04:59] Nancy's anger, that letter of complaint, the video filmed
[00:05:02] by her of the absolute abandonment of the school, what could
[00:05:06] lead to someone perhaps keeping money that came from the Ministry of
[00:05:10] Education to fix that rural school and that Nancy finds
[00:05:13] something completely forgotten, is this
[00:05:16] discarded as a hypothesis? It was never in the
[00:05:19] spotlight, it was never in the spotlight, that was
[00:05:22] more of a, it was never in the prosecutor's view, you say, simply in the
[00:05:26] journalists, no, no, it's simply the journalists, because of versions and things
[00:05:30] that came out in the media and so on, eh, it
[00:05:34] has to do with eh an
[00:05:37] attempted abuse, and we have to remember
[00:05:40] that the first charge Ross had was for
[00:05:44] cover-up, then they changed it
[00:05:47] to primary participant, but it was always said that she and her husband
[00:05:50] were covering up and that if there was a material
[00:05:53] perpetrator, and then everything was changed to co-perpetrators precisely as
[00:05:57] a strategy to achieve the break, but it was always
[00:06:01] Mauro, Nancy's daughter-in-law had told us that for
[00:06:05] the family, eh, and she spoke with us a lot of
[00:06:10] the school and the complaints she was making, that they couldn't silence her, that she was a
[00:06:14] warrior, that she went ahead with everything, that she didn't care about the people who
[00:06:18] had to fall, she made a complaint, she wrote a letter,
[00:06:21] handwritten, and I imagine that it must have cost her a lot
[00:06:24] of situations in the town,
[00:06:27] I mean, but the family was pointing to that, eh, the
[00:06:30] lawsuit is divided, eh, the daughter-in-law has a version of the
[00:06:34] facts, eh, one of the children is more
[00:06:37] prudent, others have other versions, eh, I would be
[00:06:40] quite prudent as to certain versions and
[00:06:44] rumors, there is a lot of pain going around, eh,
[00:06:48] there are also opportunisms that are arising in relation
[00:06:51] to this, but today I was listening, so I was asking this, look, I think what you were
[00:06:55] mentioning is interesting, because it draws my attention, an organization of
[00:06:58] so many people to carry out a
[00:07:02] femicide and an
[00:07:04] attempted or sexual abuse, and
[00:07:08] it's not about profiting from the information, it's simply about trying
[00:07:12] to get it investigated and that justice is done and that
[00:07:15] justice really reaches this family that is going through so much
[00:07:19] pain.
[00:07:22] If the hypothesis of sexual abuse and femicide
[00:07:26] is investigated, it closes there, everything
[00:07:29] else that we know will not be
[00:07:32] investigated, it will not be included, they will not add it to the
[00:07:36] investigation, well, perhaps it is also a possibility to leave everything
[00:07:39] as it is now and try to close the circle. Why
[00:07:43] is the family divided? Mauro, you just mentioned, of course
[00:07:46] they are immersed in an unimaginable pain,
[00:07:49] right? But why is it so divided?
[00:07:53] Well, that's what one can ascertain when looking for the
[00:08:00] one says, what the other says, eh,
[00:08:04] that happened last night when we were here with the
[00:08:07] family's pain, the prudence that Sebastian has when
[00:08:10] speaking. I mean, one realizes, no, one perceives, one who has been doing this for years,
[00:08:13] eh, you realize that there are discursive
[00:08:17] issues that are not in
[00:08:20] agreement, it's a personal appreciation that I make, one knows
[00:08:24] why I do it, eh, it has to do with certain readings that one can
[00:08:28] see, but it happens in all cases that are outstanding in Argentina, the
[00:08:32] Luan case, the same thing happened, at some point different views appeared
[00:08:36] of what was the case of the disappeared child, in the case of
[00:08:39] Guadalupe exactly the same thing happened, no contradictions between the...
[00:08:42] mother and father confronted, exactly, the case of little Anita
[00:08:45] in Cordoba exactly the same thing happened, no, there are always views in the
[00:08:49] course of the investigation and when the case is being resolved, they try
[00:08:53] to resolve Mauro, different views appear, forgive me, but
[00:08:56] in the same way that an hypothesis
[00:09:00] that has greater force exists, it does not rule out any other hypothesis, the
[00:09:04] investigation, nothing is ruled out, the
[00:09:07] investigation continues and the evidence will speak, the body will speak in relation to
[00:09:11] that. Yes, yes, perhaps it is
[00:09:13] premature,
[00:09:16] perhaps it is premature, because Mauro was saying, now they are going to carry
[00:09:19] out the autopsy, there are some issues that are already known
[00:09:23] beforehand with the preliminary autopsy,
[00:09:27] for example, Mauro said it, I repeat, the
[00:09:31] body is in an advanced
[00:09:33] state of decomposition, it was missing part of the
[00:09:36] extremities, that is possibly due to the place where they found the
[00:09:40] body, where there were piranhas. There may be
[00:09:43] some injury that is not necessarily from the attacker himself
[00:09:46] but from the animals and vermin of the place, well there are
[00:09:50] issues that certainly, but behind that, if there were
[00:09:53] injuries in the genital or paragenital area, if there was any type of
[00:09:56] tear in the clothing, this is a product of the attack, if
[00:10:00] there was some type of sexual abuse with carnal
[00:10:03] access, if there is some sample that can be
[00:10:07] taken from that abuse, also makes a point
[00:10:10] there, eh, something central that he said for me:
[00:10:12] which is the issue of damage control, because he didn't say it directly, but he implied
[00:10:16] it, which is that many times politics does damage control, it doesn't want to shed light on a truth, it
[00:10:20] says well, what is the damage control, what is it that can harm me if this continues to go up,
[00:10:23] we put everything. The artillery in place, let them investigate
[00:10:27] it quickly and close the focus is this, the focus is this, let's go this way, take it,
[00:10:30] justice takes action on this, on this focus, on
[00:10:34] this issue that would be a supposed, for now no, a supposed
[00:10:37] femicide, and from there clearly, femicide is always
[00:10:41] investigated, the issue is how and why, yes, exact, it is a
[00:10:45] battered province, no, that at least has had many doubts in different
[00:10:47] investigations, in in the most cases it was the
[00:10:51] most brutal blow, so.
[00:10:55] judicial is a child of the intervention that I think was two
[00:10:57] decades ago, if I'm not mistaken, it seems to me it was the era of de la Rúa, but it seems
[00:11:01] to me, I don't remember if the second year of de la Rúa or when it was ending, so what
[00:11:05] I mean is, eh, Corrientes is not a province that has had a remarkable
[00:11:09] judiciary in Argentine history in the last 50 years, yes, yes, it's
[00:11:12] correct what you point out,
[00:11:15] eh, and behind every there's a family, no, because we talk, we try to
[00:11:19] analyze this distance or with Mauro there
[00:11:22] eh, receiving information, but behind there's a family that demands
[00:11:26] this information, no, the
[00:11:29] truth, the justice, no,
[00:11:32] because at the same time I was talking about
[00:11:36] why do I say taking advantage? I mean, until a few hours ago it was
[00:11:39] said that there was an informant, a person who acted as an informant, who is none other
[00:11:43] than one of Rosa Leguizamón's brothers, he sits before justice, he
[00:11:46] says, look, eh, he would have spilled the beans and would have given data to know
[00:11:50] where Ross's body was, Nancy's, eh,
[00:11:54] and Mauro. No, no, yesterday they spoke at a press conference, there was no
[00:11:57] person who gave any data, but it was the
[00:12:01] police themselves, in that area that they had planned
[00:12:04] to search yesterday and the body was found. They had been searching for 20
[00:12:08] days, that part they hadn't planned to search and nothing
[00:12:12] had been found, coincidentally it transpires that someone spoke and the next day
[00:12:16] the body was found. A question, I ask you a question, why would they incorporate that
[00:12:19] story, that statement if
[00:12:23] it's a bad statement? Yes, I also ask that, it's a
[00:12:27] statement, I'm going to be a little malicious and eh, that was taken
[00:12:31] in a correct way or is it a bad statement? I'm going to be a little malicious and I'm going to tell
[00:12:34] you this, let's see, Gastón will surely laugh at this,
[00:12:38] what, what a quantity of people who are informants who
[00:12:41] belonged to the prefecture, to the navy, who are in the
[00:12:45] coast, well,
[00:12:47] Casolohan, it is, but I don't know if they concentrate there because there are many
[00:12:51] rivers, I really don't know, but there is a lot of information.
[00:13:13] It's strange, guys, because, let's see, when we see we think of the Lohan case, they tell me
[00:13:17] that there are many marine intelligence people, eh, well, one of the
[00:13:20] detainees, yes, but much more than, you know, that famous case of the
[00:13:24] Yankee and all. Yes, ah, well, everything that happened there is not very clear, the
[00:13:27] American, eh, then here they also tell me that there are people who are
[00:13:31] involved, that intelligence from the prefecture, one more question, this that you are
[00:13:34] mentioning, that for me it is important to have a completely
[00:13:38] transparent justice, I bring here this
[00:13:42] conversation what my colleague said,
[00:13:46] that although a kind of classification of
[00:13:49] everything that was found was carried out, nothing was
[00:13:53] presented and we... we did not have access to absolutely
[00:13:57] anything, which is not wrong, which is not wrong, I mean, investigations
[00:14:00] must be preserved for them
[00:14:03] to be able to advance and not be intoxicated in the middle,
[00:14:07] but sometimes when it is said that a large number of things are
[00:14:10] seized or found and photos are not presented and not
[00:14:14] even Nancy's own family members are called to
[00:14:18] recognize it, as communicators it bothers us, the family
[00:14:22] also, Mauro, Sebastian did mention that. His daughter-in-law
[00:14:25] also mentioned last week that the lack of information they
[00:14:29] had bothered them, the prosecutor never communicated with them, clear, no, yes,
[00:14:33] sorry, sorry Mauro, the day we spoke with Sebastian,
[00:14:36] he told us that the
[00:14:39] prosecutor's office had never called him, clear, we finished the
[00:14:43] interview and they received a call from the prosecutor's office, well, it's not,
[00:14:46] that's why it bothered us that no, exactly, it bothered us that there wasn't even a
[00:14:50] photograph that had transpired of the clothes.
[00:14:53] Entrance in the willows, in Leguizamón's second house,
[00:14:57] Rosa Leguizamón's or that burned clothes a few
[00:15:00] meters from Zarsa's house,
[00:15:04] the bag found
[00:15:08] 10 meters from Nancy's body, but people hadn't recognized it, the
[00:15:11] family at the time, and we know it, you know why, because we interviewed
[00:15:15] the son who was at the place where they were going to carry out the search and
[00:15:19] the black man's question was, they didn't call you to identify the elements they found.
[00:15:22] And he said no, but people know
[00:15:25] that we are a pressure factor in the investigation, if not we would all have, we would
[00:15:28] not have people at the channel door every day, obviously people know
[00:15:31] that and that's why and and I think that's the if we provide some
[00:15:35] service as journalists, which I often doubt, if we provide,
[00:15:39] I often doubt, I think it really is a service, that is,
[00:15:43] to make causes visible,
[00:15:46] sorry, that the system itself sleeps or
[00:15:49] turns off and that's why people like you said approach and tell
[00:15:53] you because they know that after something comes out on television, it
[00:15:57] starts to move, you move a little, it has a very
[00:16:00] important note coming up so we'll leave it at that, guys, thank you very much, we continue with more
[00:16:03] information. Last
[00:16:11] minute,
[00:16:11] the autopsy of Nancy's
[00:16:15] body has begun,
[00:16:19] they are investigating if there was a sexual
[00:16:20] attack,
[00:16:24] now they found her
[00:16:25] phone,
[00:16:30] the case is
[00:16:31] resolved,
[00:16:36] they begin to...
[00:16:48] They found a bag, a jacket and boots a few meters from the body, well, inside that bag is the cell phone, that
[00:16:52] cell phone, if you want, let's go, I'm going
[00:16:55] to, in the bag that was supposedly Nancy's, the
[00:16:57] cell phone was there, technically it has to be Nancy's cell phone, let's say this
[00:17:01] like this because then it turns out that they say no, look, the cell phone that was in that bag, we don't know
[00:17:05] from what we are telling you, in that bag that was next to the body, it's not that today they found the cell phone somewhere, no, it is
[00:17:16] part of yesterday's discovery, the thing is that clearly the justice is
[00:17:20] evidently releasing some data regarding that and that
[00:17:24] expert report will be fundamental, but above
[00:17:27] all, above all, the issue of justice, no, that there are
[00:17:31] two, let's say, the expert reports of the cell phones were done, I don't know
[00:17:34] what the cell phones are, I don't know, nobody knows because the justice does not release it, but from
[00:17:38] one cell phone to another of two of the detainees there is a
[00:17:42] fundamental message for justice to have labeled this as
[00:17:46] femicide without having found the body until that moment, look, make a point there Gastón because we
[00:17:50] add Cristian Méndez, he is a criminalist, Cristian, thank you for
[00:17:53] being on the other side, good morning, hello, good morning,
[00:17:56] how are you, Cristian, I have a question regarding
[00:17:59] eh the appearance of the body now on the scene, it was already being
[00:18:03] speculated and the investigators had given the family a very bad prognosis, I mean.
[00:18:07] But having the body, which for the moment is known to be in a very
[00:18:11] advanced state of decomposition due to the area where it was because there were many
[00:18:14] animals as well, what can be known?
[00:18:16] Well, uh, yes,
[00:18:20] let's see, clearly eh
[00:18:23] the cadaveric putrefaction or at least the
[00:18:26] thanatological phenomena, eh, although we can have
[00:18:30] normal and general parameters, but then there are a lot of variables, right, that
[00:18:33] have to do with the place that will accelerate or not the process, right? On
[00:18:37] the one hand, then regarding the information, well, there
[00:18:41] we will have to see if any type of information remained
[00:18:45] in the body that in some way can guide or guide the
[00:18:49] investigation in this case, not
[00:18:51] only the date of death but well they were just talking about the abuse and
[00:18:55] there is an abuse, right, well, eh, eh, in
[00:18:58] the case that the thanatological phenomena, the putrefaction phenomena have
[00:19:02] not been very, very advanced, right, well, surely they will give some
[00:19:05] information regarding the technology, well, the
[00:19:09] abuse issue, well, some type of information will arise,
[00:19:13] clearly the operation, the autopsy operation, a
[00:19:16] necropsy report will provide some
[00:19:19] elements, right, eh, then they will have to be eh
[00:19:23] somehow eh complemented with the rest,
[00:19:26] right, but due to the number of days, we know
[00:19:30] that it rained a lot for days, because there were many animals in the
[00:19:33] area, because it was in a practically
[00:19:36] open field. God, what could have
[00:19:38] been lost?
[00:19:41] What could have been lost eh, well,
[00:19:44] yes, it's a pretty broad question, right, you can
[00:19:48] lose a little, that is, you can lose a lot of information as well as others,
[00:19:51] right, so if the decomposition phenomena start to alter, well, it's a
[00:19:55] logical issue, right, they modify, yes, yes,
[00:19:58] Christian, I wasn't going to, I always hear you talk about it, it's a question you never said to me that has
[00:20:02] to do with this but without direct, eh, everyone tells me that
[00:20:05] we have the best criminologists and anthropologists.
[00:20:08] In the region, this is how it is, that's why many crimes end up
[00:20:12] being solved from that place,
[00:20:16] let's see, I have no doubt that we have, I don't know if the best, but we
[00:20:20] do have very distinguished professionals, let's see, sorry,
[00:20:23] Christian, the son is there with Mauro, let's see, we
[00:20:25] hear you.
[00:20:29] so that it is clarified now with the body, let my
[00:20:32] mom's body speak and know the
[00:20:35] truth of what happened, what they did to her?
[00:20:50] prompt impotent the other
[00:20:54] relatives but that's how it's handled
[00:20:57] here in Corrientes from the corner
[00:21:02] nothing more than thanks to you too for being
[00:21:05] here, we talked about how no provincial authority had communicated
[00:21:09] with you, that happened
[00:21:13] them, neither the supervisor nor
[00:21:16] the minister nor the governor.
[00:22:20] for the neighbors who today come to demand justice for your
[00:22:23] mom,
[00:22:28] that we keep going, that we keep
[00:22:30] asking for justice for my mom, that this doesn't happen again anywhere
[00:22:34] in Argentina, that no one
[00:22:37] has to
[00:22:41] what well
[00:22:43] to bring down something that seems like the Argentina we
[00:22:47] don't want,
[00:22:50] better security, that the state is present, because it is not
[00:22:54] present in the school, a
[00:22:57] ghost school,
[00:23:01] a director who collected salary without going, all that is a
[00:23:04] disgrace, it is the state of the Ministry of Education, it has
[00:23:08] to, as I said, fire those people,
[00:23:11] fire them,
[00:23:14] this great support from the entire community,
[00:23:18] the support of the people who give us...
[00:23:36] It's very hard for me, it's very hard, eh, not to politicize this, it's very hard
[00:23:40] for me, sorry, because I can't not
[00:23:43] do it, no, honestly, it means politicizing it, not in a partisan way, but
[00:23:47] understanding politics in large part as what it is,
[00:23:51] which is the public life of all Argentinians in debate, Nancy's
[00:23:54] son is saying this happens because there is no
[00:23:58] state present, he says from his own mouth it comes out, there was a
[00:24:02] director who collected salary without going, a ghost school abandoned and I tell
[00:24:05] you something, the representation of the state in
[00:24:09] Argentina, especially in the provinces, comes from three, from three professions that everyone
[00:24:12] knows, the doctor, the teacher and the security forces/military,
[00:24:16] all three are being since d by the
[00:24:20] national government since Javier Milei's government began, this
[00:24:24] is the reality, I know this bothers many, but it is the reality,
[00:24:27] guys, it is the reality, the doctors who fight for the
[00:24:30] Garrahan, the teachers who earn two pesos and have to end up doing this and the military
[00:24:34] and the security forces but especially the military who have their social
[00:24:38] work dynamited, guys, eh if not the state is this, the
[00:24:42] state is that doctors, military, teachers,
[00:24:45] have a decent salary and that they do not face the possibility of dying because there is an
[00:24:49] absent state. That there was a ghost school, as Nancy's son just said, a
[00:24:52] ghost school and a director of that school who
[00:24:55] collected salary without going, but besides it's the procedure, we still have Cristian
[00:24:59] on the other side, Cristian, the family does not find out about the
[00:25:03] appearance of the body from justice, they don't find out when clothes were
[00:25:06] found, when a bag was found, I mean, the procedure in
[00:25:10] that case is wrong, I mean, they found out from the media,
[00:25:14] well, let's see, yes, let's see, clearly mine is an opinion, right,
[00:25:18] theoretically the investigative line runs along one line and then everything that
[00:25:21] has to do with the family runs along another line, there should be
[00:25:25] communication, clearly yes, right, at least from the
[00:25:29] generic actions or
[00:25:31] general ones, then obviously what has to do with the details of the investigation, that
[00:25:35] is always good to keep secret, right, so to speak, because it is part of the
[00:25:39] strategy and what it has to do with towards that object or that goal, which
[00:25:42] is clarification. That's where we also have to separate that issue, isn't
[00:25:46] it? The fine details of the investigation with what should
[00:25:49] be done. out of respect or out of consideration for the
[00:25:52] family members, yes, a query about the
[00:25:56] case and what possibilities it can
[00:25:59] yield for analysis, the way the body was found.
[00:26:02] One could determine if
[00:26:05] she was killed there or if she was killed in another place and then moved
[00:26:08] there, taking into account the time that passed, the state of decomposition of the
[00:26:12] body, surely, I mean, for that
[00:26:16] same reason, we have very little information, which is
[00:26:19] to say, the body was found and we have no more than that,
[00:26:23] clearly, eh, independently, I think we're talking about a
[00:26:26] wetland, isn't it? The situation is quite, I mean, the place is quite complex, there should
[00:26:30] be information to... in order to answer what you were
[00:26:34] raising, isn't it? Because let's remember that when something
[00:26:38] is committed, there is an exchange, in some way that victim
[00:26:42] arrived accompanied or alone, eh, if
[00:26:45] she arrived accompanied, if it was a
[00:26:48] disposal, there will be elements that will somehow indicate to us in that
[00:26:51] sense, yes, let's understand, sorry, one more thing, let's understand that the
[00:26:55] scene of the events, regardless of the complexity, is still a
[00:26:59] puzzle, sorry, right.
[00:27:32] There is a march of teachers that we are covering, demanding a national
[00:27:36] strike, all demanding justice, and I can't
[00:27:39] help but think that this is also a complaint from
[00:27:43] all the teachers in the interior of the country, I can't help but think it, I mean, I
[00:27:46] try by all means to think prima facie, as you like to say,
[00:27:50] that this is purely a police matter, but it's not,
[00:27:53] it's going to become a social issue, guys, this is going to
[00:27:57] become a social issue in the short term, and I'm not saying I'm
[00:28:01] seeing the future. I have Nostradamus's power, but it's clear that what's
[00:28:05] happening is that, yes, in fact, it's also
[00:28:08] the province of Corrientes because teachers are mobilizing and are
[00:28:12] calling for action beyond the fact that we are talking about something that happened
[00:28:16] 1 km away from the federal capital, but why? Because teachers
[00:28:19] also feel unprotected by this
[00:28:22] situation, because of what I just told you, the absence of the state is not a theoretical
[00:28:26] thing, it's that teachers don't get paid, that they have to go to a ghost school
[00:28:30] where a director gets paid and doesn't go, they imagined that
[00:28:33] Cristian didn't want to go because here we have the timeline with
[00:28:36] Gastón from the day she leaves to try to teach
[00:28:40] like any other day, right? But prior to this, she makes a
[00:28:43] complaint eh about Puniletra in August
[00:28:46] where she exposed the conditions of the school, the timeline, her
[00:28:50] family hasn't seen her since October 6th, right, and the 7th is the day she
[00:28:54] had contact with her through WhatsApp and she assures and swears it was her
[00:28:58] because of the way she responded, if you want, there we draw the timeline, October
[00:29:01] 6th. She left her home in the morning heading
[00:29:05] to the Curupí ranch, from where the laborers would take her by horse to the
[00:29:08] school, let's remember the trip, yes, by car, eh,
[00:29:12] approximately one hour, an hour and a half, then
[00:29:16] by horse from the ranch to the
[00:29:19] school, or rather, from the entrance of the place to the ranch and from the
[00:29:22] ranch to the school, we are talking about approximately 4 and a half
[00:29:26] to 5 hours, eh, the total journey is closed
[00:29:31] we open one
[00:30:32] you do this until a situation like this, a tragic one,
[00:30:35] exactly, no, those laws are not reviewed, those laws that are more than 100 years old,
[00:30:39] 50 years old, 80 years old, it happens in all aspects of
[00:30:44] civil, commercial, labor in Argentina, unfortunately the law
[00:30:48] always lags behind events and that's why it arrives
[00:30:51] late, but if there's no budget, no law can support it, right? And besides, another thing, how much did
[00:30:55] Nancy earn? 550,000 pesos.
[00:30:59] pesos.