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[00:00:00] eh, it's not like you're the only one, there are seven, no, but six who are
[00:00:04] in a critical situation, eh, I say this because the tragedy that this family
[00:00:08] is going through happens to a lot of families, yes, to a lot, it's not
[00:00:11] that they are alone in experiencing this, that they have eh, for example, someone who
[00:00:15] has a car and works in Uber or Didi, I mean the
[00:00:18] brands, it doesn't matter, in Uber, in Didi, whatever, and it gets crashed, and it's out of service
[00:00:22] for two, three, four months, that, that young man, that
[00:00:26] eh, the study, you know, of family is gone, yes, because it's their daily income, yes, of course.
[00:00:30] Of course, of course, that's how it is, well, including me, I, as
[00:00:35] that something happens, right? with the person who as I mentioned, I am bankrupt eh due to a debt I had with Banco
[00:00:39] Provincia and my debt has already
[00:00:42] been paid, I don't know, 20 times over,
[00:00:46] they withhold the same court withholds money from
[00:00:49] me and I already paid the debt 3 years ago and I can't get out of
[00:00:53] bankruptcy, no I can't get out of
[00:00:58] example, of it. they send eh, not directly. they deduct it from
[00:01:01] from the receipt, so to speak, I still can't get out of
[00:01:05] bankruptcy when I already paid the debt three
[00:01:08] years ago, yes, it's a big issue, the file is stuck, but
[00:01:12] you see how I, like in your case, all
[00:01:15] the problems of the Argentine family are coming
[00:01:18] of the place with together, look at the debt, the informal work, look,
[00:01:21] I'll give you a summary, I say this because those who are watching us should watch a bit of
[00:01:25] Crónica, guys, guys from the government and the opposition, watch Crónica, turn on the
[00:01:29] TV, stop watching the other channels that talk about politics 25 hours
[00:01:33] a day, watch a bit of Crónica, which is what's happening to people, all at once,
[00:01:36] look, you have, debt, eh,
[00:01:40] health issues difficult to manage because they don't give you
[00:01:43] medication and the attention you should have is an attention, like
[00:01:46] everything in Argentina, of great quality from the doctors, but
[00:01:50] without a penny because there's nothing in the hospitals, no, let's continue, with a lot of demand, your
[00:01:54] husband jobless, I mean not formally employed, but working with the
[00:01:58] motorbike informally, with no ability to get any credit because if you don't have a pay
[00:02:01] stub, it's complicated, on top of all that, you have a
[00:02:06] Run, run, bad guy. What little girl who is six, you told me, 6 years old, yes, who is already going
[00:02:09] to start school, she turned six last week, she has to stop doing
[00:02:13] gymnastics that she likes because they can't afford the fee anymore, on top of
[00:02:17] that, they run the risk of being evicted because they can't pay the rent anymore,
[00:02:21] probably in everything, but I mean in your
[00:02:23] the idea of family, the tragedy of many Argentinians comes together, it seems to me that they have
[00:02:26] to start seeing this, I know that watching Crónica is difficult for the guys who are in the most
[00:02:30] important powers of the country, the judicial power, the executive power, the legislative power, they don't want
[00:02:34] to see it, that's why sometimes they don't want to come, they don't want to give us interviews, because
[00:02:37] we show them, we are annoying to them, they don't want to
[00:02:41] get involved, says Eugenio, yes, they don't want to get involved, we are annoying to them and let
[00:02:44] them like the political channels because I asked for help, where did you go,
[00:02:48] Eugenia, I asked for help, I eh, talked
[00:02:52] with social development, I talked with a lot
[00:02:55] of, I don't know, from soup kitchens, everything,
[00:02:58] you don't have. I don't know, for example, you have 10 people, you have
[00:03:02] Good morning, I'm here at to wait for one of the 10 to stop coming,
[00:03:04] then you get it. For example, that kind of thing, yes, no
[00:03:08] one has to leave for you to get a completely, you know what I call it, you know what I call that, the
[00:03:12] poor people's hot seat, you see, it's a hot seat for
[00:03:16] the poor, because one person who doesn't have a
[00:03:18] key, is that in the interior of penny or something happened to them, and many guys are homeless,
[00:03:21] terrible things happen to them, problematic consumption, a lot of
[00:03:25] things, so they stop going and they give it to someone else, and yes, but what happens is, be careful, also, many
[00:03:29] soup kitchens are already unable to do anything, eh, they no longer have because
[00:03:33] people don't donate things to them, but you know what's happening, I'm going to say something
[00:03:37] that needs to be said, this government is a government that spends a lot on social
[00:03:40] plans, social aid, eh, this government is not a government that cut
[00:03:44] there, it cut the middle class, it
[00:03:47] this, what do we do with cut public workers, but to the popular sectors, it continues to give a lot of things, and
[00:03:49] you know why it's not enough, because if there's no work, nothing
[00:03:52] is enough, badly organized, that is, today this
[00:03:56] government that was supposed to organize social programs continues
[00:04:00] paying, continues allocating money badly used.
[00:04:04] Before, the intermediaries kept something, no, well, today people have
[00:04:07] money that doesn't help them, that doesn't help them because
[00:04:10] look what a thing, but it didn't
[00:04:13] give them work, which is what it was supposed to do, remember that they were going to
[00:04:15] teach
[00:04:22] I have to say this government has few successes but having
[00:04:25] removed the intermediaries of poverty seems like a huge success to me,
[00:04:29] guys, there's a man, there's a
[00:04:31] man,
[00:04:34] help us, in particular the result of the
[00:04:36] success,
[00:04:39] don't give me a speech, stop, don't give me an empty speech, I'm going to tell you something serious, you know what
[00:04:43] it is, you know what the success is, you know what the, but
[00:04:46] when the hunger of the people, I don't know, they are ready-made phrases,
[00:04:50] $1 pesos, 1500, what but every day we have a person helping, I go out and at the
[00:04:52] door there are people until 10 at night,
[00:04:55] so
[00:04:58] in the test, I see 10 people. Okay, we are, okay, we are, I'm going to say it clearly,
[00:05:02] you know what this government changed, whether you like it or not, you know what changed, that
[00:05:06] a person who managed 30,000 million pesos a
[00:05:09] year who has a chain, I'm not going to say who it is, I ask you. Let me
[00:05:12] finish because people know it, no, no, no, no, who has a chain
[00:05:16] of chains, eh, he had a chain of cafes that
[00:05:20] recently went bankrupt, he was a person who 3 years ago, I'm not going to
[00:05:24] say,
[00:05:27] who 3 years ago, who three or four years ago was an official of the Alberto
[00:05:30] Fernández government and had a chain, no, let's see, if not base
[00:05:34] sir,
[00:05:38] wait a second, because in the middle
[00:05:41] there's Eugenia. who told us her story, who also came to the channel's door,
[00:05:45] I mean, eh, all the time, the truth is we have people at the channel's door
[00:05:49] who don't find help, Eugenia, on the other side, there are many messages
[00:05:52] from the other side, you mentioned before about 400,000 pesos they pay
[00:05:56] for rent
[00:05:59] 475 almost 47
[00:06:02] 475 and it increases quarterly, now it already comes with an increase
[00:06:06] and how much do they owe for that and well, besides
[00:06:09] the and two months we have to put in.
[00:06:13] Well, that's why, because on the other side, people, the services apart,
[00:06:17] of course, I imagine the services, the expenses of
[00:06:19] Amal, well, what life generates, not
[00:06:23] daily life, college, because well, Eugenia studies law,
[00:06:26] oh, not even in public transport, I had to
[00:06:30] quit, I don't have how to get
[00:06:33] there, Eugenia, let's see, now, of course,
[00:06:37] besides with the foot thing, many messages arrive, apart from the
[00:06:41] alias aid, we share many messages for
[00:06:43] you 1170 64 2958 look,
[00:06:47] see, there's a person, I'm not lying, I told you 10 or 12 messages
[00:06:51] previously I had put put the alias of the lady who was in the accident and now
[00:06:54] Andrea tells us, this I would like to know, I would like to see justice
[00:06:58] done with the man who ran her over because we are supportive, yes,
[00:07:01] great, but yes, but the one who gets away with it is that person, at least knowing
[00:07:05] that justice was done is what will make us feel at ease
[00:07:08] too. Of that still, well, but that
[00:07:11] still follows its legal course somehow, did you submit everything
[00:07:15] you had, Eugenia?
[00:07:18] Everything, I'm waiting for the UFI that is in charge of this to also,
[00:07:22] because the criminal complaint is filed, to summon the witnesses
[00:07:25] and waiting for the mediation date,
[00:07:28] but still nothing,
[00:07:32] all that walks and if it goes to trial, that takes 3 years and in
[00:07:36] the course of everyday life our life continues
[00:07:39] and and this man, as I say, to
[00:07:42] me personally, because I worked with the motorcycle, we worked
[00:07:46] together, even, with the application and that was our
[00:07:50] livelihood, our work tool was gone, that is, we
[00:07:54] lost, we lost our work tool,
[00:07:56] eh, so that's where our daily life got complicated,
[00:08:00] with that we ate and covered the
[00:08:03] expenses, we had previously had a motorcycle stolen at gunpoint,
[00:08:06] no, they had already had a motorcycle
[00:08:08] stolen,
[00:08:11] yes, we had already had it stolen at the door of the... grandmother's house when she was going to pick up the
[00:08:14] girl, eh, a Hondaway, eh,
[00:08:17] with with a gun when they
[00:08:21] pointed at her, she had to hand over the motorcycle and we
[00:08:24] recovered from that because I was able to buy one in installments, as
[00:08:28] I say, I'm handy with mechanics and a lot of things, of course, you didn't have it
[00:08:31] insured, I fixed it up to be able to work,
[00:08:35] not insured against theft, no, what happens is
[00:08:38] also third-party liability you only had that, but what happens is that today
[00:08:41] also, you see. It's a reality, obviously that's not
[00:08:45] right, but it's also a reality that adds to all this that
[00:08:49] Ernesto was describing, that many people stop paying insurance
[00:08:52] because besides, with so many motorcycles being stolen every
[00:08:56] day, it makes the insurance premium go up, so people
[00:08:59] can't afford the insurance, unfortunately, something that obviously
[00:09:03] is wrong because everyone should drive with insurance, but it's also a
[00:09:06] description.
[00:09:09] With the crisis, Facu, can we get an update on the alias that
[00:09:13] we are sharing, of course, Eugenia, when we started the interview, she had
[00:09:16] $7, Eugenia, what
[00:09:19] were they going to eat tonight? Let's update it
[00:09:21] there,
[00:09:23] sausage, sausage or rice, which is what the girl eats because
[00:09:27] also there are certain pastas she doesn't like and those things,
[00:09:31] but no, meat, we have an empty fridge, literally, we can
[00:09:35] show you, we don't have anything in the fridge, the people
[00:09:38] who donate and collaborate a little, as she says, the street vendors.
[00:09:42] Eh, they help as much as they can and with non-perishable food
[00:09:46] and things like that, but well
[00:09:49] look, 1 million 3000 they had
[00:09:52] $7, Eugenia, what do you say to the people because we see
[00:09:56] some messages that take screenshots when they
[00:09:59] transfer eh and some are
[00:10:02] they have at the end of the month, what would you like
[00:10:05] to tell them?
[00:10:08] No, nothing, I thank them a lot, no,
[00:10:13] no, I put myself in their shoes because I am also very much like that, I think like that,
[00:10:17] when I see someone who needs it and
[00:10:19] I can, it makes me feel good as a person, besides, and to know
[00:10:23] that I can do something for the other.
[00:10:26] Eh, the situation the country is going through is not good, because today
[00:10:30] it's me, yesterday there was also a homeless woman at the
[00:10:33] channel's door and it made me really sad, it's
[00:10:37] a situation that a lot of people are going
[00:10:40] through, so for someone to tell you, I don't know, even if
[00:10:43] it's 30, 50, 1, 10, everything adds up and
[00:10:47] it makes you feel good,
[00:10:49] absolutely, Eugenia, on the other side there are a lot of people who
[00:10:53] evidently listened. your story, your husband's, your
[00:10:57] daughter's, and on the other hand also
[00:11:00] ran you over, who backed up, who left, who left you lying there and who didn't
[00:11:04] care at all.
[00:11:07] No, yes, yes, yes, yes, because it's
[00:11:10] not a right, it's our guarantee, his insurance,
[00:11:14] eh, for something, each person pays their insurance,
[00:11:18] and well, they have
[00:11:21] to respond, no, no, no, no, there's not much going back on that.
[00:11:25] Sooner or later, the company will end up losing anyway
[00:11:28] because everything will be proven
[00:11:31] and it will be worse to take it to court, but
[00:11:34] well, I don't think they are very professional if
[00:11:38] they are going to
[00:11:39] that.
[00:11:42] Eugenia, let's do something, we have urgent information, let's take
[00:11:46] a break with this and we will come back to you in a few minutes, we continue sharing, of
[00:11:50] course, your alias and we hope that it
[00:11:53] gets resolved and that help arrives. Also, thank you very much for sharing your
[00:11:57] story.
[00:12:12] femicide of
[00:12:12] Nancy,
[00:12:16] the regulatory message they found on the cell phone of one of the
[00:12:20] detainees,
[00:12:23] what do we do with her?
[00:12:31] happened? What did they find in that message? That the family,
[00:12:35] just minutes ago, Sebastián, the son, told us that they are finding
[00:12:39] out absolutely everything through the media. You know that last week we were
[00:12:42] talking about the imputations, that they were all co-authors,
[00:12:45] that there was talk of femicide, even though the body had not been
[00:12:48] found. Well, the phones had already been investigated, let's remember that there are five detainees,
[00:12:52] among whom is Irineo Salsa, who was the foreman. A person named
[00:12:56] Sandoval, who is the other foreman, Rojas, who is the husband of Rosa
[00:12:59] Leguizamón, Rosa Leguizamón, the manager of the ranch,
[00:13:03] and there is a fifth person for perjury, who was the first of the
[00:13:06] detainees, well, two of the detainees, who still, no,
[00:13:10] that is, obviously, justice has not released
[00:13:13] it, but two of the detainees exchanged WhatsApp
[00:13:16] messages, one said to the other or the
[00:13:20] other, I don't know because there's a woman too, I don't know if it's a man, woman, if they are two
[00:13:23] men. What do we do with the teacher, what do we do with
[00:13:27] the teacher? Look at this map that I find interesting, Gastón, this is the
[00:13:31] ranch that is not visible here, but the point of that rose is the
[00:13:34] Curupí ranch, well, this is where she was found,
[00:13:38] above is the school, look at the distances, you see,
[00:13:42] you don't have, you see that from the Curupí ranch to the school
[00:13:45] it's extremely far, that is, do we have certainty
[00:13:48] that she arrived at the school? They tell me that
[00:13:51] she arrived at the school, they tell me that she arrived at the school, at that time she was at the school.
[00:13:59] That's why I say from the school to this place there are 2.5
[00:14:02] km approximately and from the ranch to this
[00:14:05] place there are about 5 km, there is a little more than double, eh,
[00:14:09] a question,
[00:14:12] her, yes, not from when it is because there
[00:14:15] it changes a lot, well, there it is because this is after what is supposed to have happened when
[00:14:19] she disappeared, before the murder, is it from before? Well,
[00:14:22] there's the issue, or after she died, or before she died, because that detail of the issue is not really important,
[00:14:26] that second part of the death issue we will know when
[00:14:29] we have the autopsy data, now we
[00:14:33] don't know, so two options open up, the question
[00:14:35] is what does she do, and I'm going to express it in a crude way,
[00:14:39] what do we do with the teacher because they had already killed her, what do we do, where do we dump the
[00:14:43] body, clearly, or what do we do with the teacher because she's bothering us,
[00:14:47] clearly, exactly,
[00:14:49] that's also an issue, let's see, we have Marcelo Kunz on the other side, Marcelo, thank you for
[00:14:53] being here for... please, good morning, eh,
[00:14:57] several questions, of course, on the one hand we are minutes away from knowing
[00:15:01] the autopsy, finally, of Nancy, which from what can be known will be
[00:15:04] heartbreaking due to the state in which the body was found, a very
[00:15:08] advanced state of decomposition, now we have a map here that I find
[00:15:12] interesting, Marcelo, to share with you, because these are very large distances, what
[00:15:15] certainty do we have that she arrived from the ranch to the
[00:15:19] school, if she was found halfway,
[00:15:22] if they didn't tell her children to go to... recognize the clothes they found at the
[00:15:26] school or some belongings, they found out everything through the media.
[00:15:30] Clearly, look, I have the illusion that justice is working from a
[00:15:34] criminalistic point of view very, very finely.
[00:15:37] Because you, eh, must take into account that there are ways to
[00:15:40] prove if a person was in
[00:15:43] that place, if they arrived at that place, for
[00:15:47] example, eh, the way to know if the body was
[00:15:50] always there, if it was locked up somewhere
[00:15:53] else, if it was somewhere else, there are sciences like
[00:15:56] forensic entomology, you are a criminalist,
[00:15:59] too bad you didn't mention it, which is
[00:16:03] the fauna that remains on the bodies, that's why it's very unpleasant to say, no,
[00:16:10] they study the bugs that are on the corpse, exactly,
[00:16:13] a somewhat brutal way, but that's how it is, no, unfortunately there are some
[00:16:17] animals, little bugs, this to put it a bit more
[00:16:20] bluntly, that are born if it's outside or inside, if
[00:16:24] the body is semi-saponified, it is said
[00:16:27] as it is in partly submerged in this case,
[00:16:30] clearly, eh, in these moments, analyses are being done, for
[00:16:35] another, of another area that
[00:16:38] is taphonomy, it is called taphonomy, which
[00:16:41] is the relationship of that cadaveric fauna in relation to the
[00:16:45] environment, so there you can know with entomology, taphonomy,
[00:16:49] you can know from the
[00:16:52] criminalistic analysis
[00:16:56] the body in the place if it was always there or was deposited
[00:16:59] later, evidently this message will influence
[00:17:03] that expertise in what we do now with the body, it is evident that
[00:17:06] they did not kill her in the same place, evident, not, I mean that
[00:17:10] all that can be studied by
[00:17:13] criminology, that is, the criminal conduct in
[00:17:17] relation to all the expertises that are being done, including that of the
[00:17:20] body, also another thing that I was hearing is that many look for the motive
[00:17:24] of the abuse and then killing her,
[00:17:28] you remember that unfortunately many people eh when they are
[00:17:31] ordered to kill another person humiliate them,
[00:17:35] submit them, and perhaps just because of her condition as a
[00:17:38] woman, the way to humiliate her is to abuse her and then kill her, even if
[00:17:42] it's not the motive, you understand, I understand, absolutely, what you're saying,
[00:17:45] oh, look, that's very interesting, you say that, for example, a contract
[00:17:49] killing, I'm making a hypothesis, can even
[00:17:52] sexually abuse her just to humiliate her before
[00:17:55] dying? Clearly, because perhaps if we
[00:17:58] digress, if those people were involved in the
[00:18:02] lack of money, of that salary that was coming, of that
[00:18:05] budget that never... their works were, they had
[00:18:08] anger, they had a lot of impotence, so when they were given
[00:18:12] it and they vented their anger because of her condition as a woman,
[00:18:15] what is the worst way to humiliate her before taking her life?
[00:18:19] Unfortunately, very painful to say that, yes, it's not painful, but well, evidently
[00:18:23] something like that happened and the family also has something to do with it, let's listen to an
[00:18:27] audio of Nancy,
[00:18:28] look,
[00:18:36] hello Ale, how are you?
[00:18:39] the ranch,
[00:18:43] eh I wrote to the Corrientes one about the
[00:18:45] water and they told me to send them a photo, imagine I sent them the
[00:18:49] video of how I found the school and how today I am with
[00:18:52] students but I don't have any water, I sent them about the roof
[00:18:55] everything, they say they are going to help us, yes,
[00:18:59] I say, yes, I'm carrying water from the neighbor's, sometimes
[00:19:01] you have a pump, something, I thought there was a pump, no
[00:19:05] there's nothing here, they sang many years ago, it seems everything was
[00:19:09] left there, the attempt, I told them, well,
[00:19:13] I sent them all the videos, when
[00:19:16] I entered the school, how you're going to want to die, more or less, but well, that's the
[00:19:20] reality, so I hope they give me an answer to that.
[00:19:24] You know what, when I heard Sebastián today, Marcelo, the son of Nancy, he insists
[00:19:28] with the theory, no, that he has, that
[00:19:32] he doesn't say publicly but he implies that Nancy
[00:19:35] was murdered because of the report she made to
[00:19:39] uncover the corruption that existed in that school, a tiny corruption that to us may seem
[00:19:43] a miserable corruption, but that is repeated in many schools,
[00:19:46] unfortunately many schools in the interior of Argentina that are those schools
[00:19:50] that, as I well explained, are from the 19th century, it's a logic, a law from
[00:19:53] 1905 that says that whoever owns the ranch donates a part so that
[00:19:57] you build a school, many of them ghost schools, you know why? You
[00:20:00] see, it's the perfect storm for her,
[00:20:04] poor thing, because the same children of the laborers
[00:20:08] are the same ones who didn't go to school, it's, it's
[00:20:11] then it all made sense, eh, but you know why, for me,
[00:20:14] they insist so much on the theory of femicide, of sexual
[00:20:17] abuse, to rule that out, because if this really happened, that is, that
[00:20:21] Nancy was murdered because what she was doing was the role of the
[00:20:24] state, because Nancy was a representative of the state, a state that
[00:20:28] tried to function and clearly she complained and she
[00:20:32] fought to open that school, so I don't know if it
[00:20:35] worked, no, a state that she made, that she that
[00:20:50] lawyers take into account what is what they ask
[00:20:53] within the field of criminalistics, what is the criminal
[00:20:57] profile of the perpetrator, to see if the abuse occurred by
[00:21:00] submission, by punishment or by humiliation
[00:21:03] or was it the motive because perhaps, as you say, it all remains in the abuse and
[00:21:07] that's it, no, it might not be, clearly, because there might have been
[00:21:10] abuse but the motive was different, clearly, what we heard from her, from
[00:21:14] Nancy's own mouth, saying here
[00:21:17] they said there was a pump, there's no pump at all. Eh, maybe some
[00:21:21] time ago they tried to install it and someone supposed
[00:21:24] someone was lied to from above saying that there was a pump
[00:21:28] and that it worked and that there was water and that was a disaster, that is,
[00:21:32] someone, clearly justifiable, justifiable, justifiable, she
[00:21:35] poor thing, like every rural teacher who are women
[00:21:39] of great courage and desire to work because they don't
[00:21:42] earn anything, eh, the state's lack of protection leaving
[00:21:45] her alone, but here I live.
[00:21:56] a province that I know for a fact functions much better, the state, forget about many other provinces, but
[00:22:00] much better, eh, much eh, I'm going to
[00:22:03] say it clearly, this eh, we have to make an educational
[00:22:07] reform in Argentina and that the
[00:22:10] provinces stop having authority over education, I say it like that, I know
[00:22:14] that my compatriots from the provinces get angry
[00:22:17] when I say this because you know why? There's an
[00:22:20] education for the rich and for the poor, rich provinces have good
[00:22:24] education, poor provinces have bad education, we have to go back to
[00:22:28] Sarmiento, to the pedagogical congress, to the
[00:22:31] specialists, but above all, that the
[00:22:34] nation,
[00:22:36] let's see, guys, but depending on which national government
[00:22:39] governs, if it's a national government like this one that
[00:22:43] even cuts the fund, the FONID for the provinces,
[00:22:47] the incentive for teachers, the truth is.
[00:23:20] and never, better said than in this case of the ranch
[00:23:23] owner, for them the ranch owner is the law, the order and the one who distributed
[00:23:27] the cake and who receives the budget.
[00:23:31] Marcelo, putting it simply, I mean
[00:23:34] eh, if there was a business, a scam, so to speak,
[00:23:38] for the Creole part by some of the ranch that kept
[00:23:41] certain money, the foreman, I mean a
[00:23:45] foreman, a person who in what is the idiosyncrasy of the
[00:23:48] countryside, the foreman is the one who gives you work, the one who takes it all away, that guy
[00:23:52] distributed money to you and precisely seeing that
[00:23:55] Nancy endangered that, everyone
[00:23:58] collaborated to silence her, yes, but what Marcelo says,
[00:24:01] somehow they covered it up, they
[00:24:04] covered up the fact, what Marcelo says, which is
[00:24:08] Argentina, in the countryside, there is an atavistic hierarchical
[00:24:11] structure, that the ranch owner fulfills, fulfills the
[00:24:15] role of boss, of caudillo, whatever you want to call him, and if the ranch owner
[00:24:19] it's not, it occupies the capital exactly, so that logic that is
[00:24:23] hierarchical, that hierarchical logic spills power
[00:24:26] from above to below, but for that reason, my fear, Marcelo,
[00:24:30] and excuse my ignorance, is that you bring up this sexual abuse by
[00:24:34] submission, and let's suppose, let's suppose
[00:24:36] that, let's say, it comes out in the autopsy
[00:24:40] that she was sexually abused, well, what we will never know
[00:24:44] because perhaps justice wants to close it in the mere sexual
[00:24:47] abuse. It all ends there.
[00:24:55] we're going quickly with Mauro to Corrientes, Mauro, we're coming back quickly with you with more news.
[00:24:58] They are doctor, I'm going to put the
[00:25:01] return on so you can talk to them, uh, he just
[00:25:05] left the prosecutor's office, so, doctor, anything you want to
[00:25:08] tell us? Yes, hello, uh, well, we have
[00:25:12] had an interview with the people from the
[00:25:15] prosecutor's office, especially to see the incorporations, the latest
[00:25:19] evidence,
[00:25:21] and the important information that they have given us, we already have the preliminary
[00:25:25] results, probably today in the afternoon, from the
[00:25:29] autopsy, yes, and first they will be informed to the
[00:25:32] relatives, and well, then we can communicate something about that. Now,
[00:25:36] doctor, why didn't it happen on other previous occasions when
[00:25:40] they found the clothes or found belongings that they first informed the
[00:25:43] family, the family is a little discontent with the
[00:25:46] information, at least how it is being provided to them?
[00:25:51] No, no, the family was there yesterday, and they even
[00:25:54] attended us last night here at the prosecutor's office.
[00:25:57] I also communicated with them at noon, transmitting
[00:26:01] this possible, or sad, news, let's say. But what you
[00:26:04] say is true, there was a small difference in time regarding the
[00:26:08] police explanation, not the prosecutor's office, but the police have to do
[00:26:12] with the fact that the news was known at a certain time, first the
[00:26:15] field team was notified, and then the prosecutor's office was informed, let's say. That
[00:26:18] difference that existed, in that difference there was a kind of leakage, and
[00:26:22] well, first you learned about it through the press, and then the family. I
[00:26:26] even, oh, well, but they were informing
[00:26:29] them because they told us that no one
[00:26:45] that we have to continue, we made the description of the items and those items today were in a bad
[00:26:49] state and the description matches the
[00:26:52] seized item, in addition evidence was found, let's say
[00:26:55] in good condition that practically matches the description made
[00:26:58] by her own husband that he did, so that will be the subject later.
[00:27:02] It has been a formal act of recognition, but first
[00:27:05] it is usual, let's say, that we make the description of the
[00:27:08] items to take evidence and the
[00:27:12] necessary tests, especially eventual genetic samples, the comparison is
[00:27:15] made, doctor, look, here I am seeing the five
[00:27:18] detainees, if I say each one of
[00:27:22] them you can tell me what the expected penalty is, we will
[00:27:25] do it as a teacher, so you explain, can
[00:27:28] be, we do it, very well, Ernesto Ezequiel
[00:27:31] Bordón. False
[00:27:33] testimony,
[00:27:35] you started with the one we have the most doubts about regarding his procedural
[00:27:39] situation, that's why I started with the most doubtful one, then we go to the one
[00:27:43] who has certainty, I have no certainty that his
[00:27:47] procedural situation will continue in this state,
[00:27:50] eventually if it continues in this state it is aggravated
[00:27:52] cover-up,
[00:27:54] second, which for me is also the weakest,
[00:27:56] Sandoval,
[00:28:00] no, for me he is one of the most connected.
[00:28:10] in the same vein as the previous one, there is only a variation in the difference of roles but also
[00:28:14] life imprisonment, life imprisonment,
[00:28:16] Rosaleizamon,
[00:28:19] well, yes, another person who could vary their
[00:28:22] qualification,
[00:28:26] the prosecution, not the prosecutor's office, in the idea of the prosecution, perhaps
[00:28:30] we would impute the figure of femicide as an accomplice in
[00:28:32] femicide, an accomplice, and the one who may be the primary accomplice
[00:28:36] and the one who may take all the blame, who is Ireneo Sarza,
[00:28:39] I didn't hear the last part, the one who may take
[00:28:43] all the blame, who is Ireneo Sarza, well, he has
[00:28:46] all the numbers bought, let's say, there is practically no need to discuss what
[00:28:50] we are talking about now. Doctor, today we heard
[00:28:53] Sebastian giving some hypotheses, regarding the complaints that Nancy had been
[00:28:57] making regarding the educational system, in what conditions was
[00:29:01] the school found. Everything that had to be contributed to the school so that it could be a
[00:29:05] habitable place, not for the students she had. Could
[00:29:08] these complaints she had been making have to do with the
[00:29:12] crime? No hypothesis is discarded,
[00:29:15] let's say, of work in this
[00:29:18] initial hypothesis or in the primary
[00:29:22] part of the accusation, but
[00:29:25] I understand that they are investigating within this
[00:29:28] file, reports were requested regarding those complaints they
[00:29:32] made, and then I suppose there will be an administrative and/or
[00:29:36] judicial matter regarding the intervention of the education authority, because we all
[00:29:39] agree that the state of the area was absolutely
[00:29:42] inconvenient, deplorable, let's say, for it to be a
[00:29:45] rural establishment. Uh, I said the other day that some people laughed when
[00:29:49] I said that the school was practically a shack, so imagine that, of course. No, well, I
[00:29:53] imagine, and now regarding uh, the procedure, the
[00:29:57] autopsy will be known today. Yes,
[00:30:01] yes, the autopsy is still being carried out, but it is necessary due to a legal imperative because
[00:30:05] we have pending hearings and because we need to know, at least the preliminary
[00:30:08] result of these elements, and they
[00:30:12] have summoned us for this afternoon to have a hearing with the head of the
[00:30:15] medical corps of the province who will inform the parties. I have a
[00:30:19] question, doctor, I mean, is it confirmed that she arrived at the
[00:30:23] school that day after all?
[00:30:26] Well,
[00:30:29] that's an interesting question. We believe so, but
[00:30:32] there are some elements that will
[00:30:36] the autopsy because don't forget that
[00:30:39] eh, besides the body, some
[00:30:43] belongings of Nancy were found, which was the bag she
[00:30:46] had and carried to school, but however, at school, other elements were found that
[00:30:49] would prove that she was there, so it's a topic that we are still
[00:30:53] resolving, but I believe, in my case, in particular, that she was in the
[00:30:56] account, eh, Gustavo, good morning, we join, Pampa.