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[00:00:00] No, because that also, let's see, we have to be
[00:00:03] self-critical because ever since I can remember, teachers
[00:00:06] have been selling Avon, selling Avon,
[00:00:08] costume jewelry always for years. What happens
[00:00:12] with that? I mean, it's not new that teachers
[00:00:15] have... but come on, but you're facing a teacher, Fiora.
[00:00:19] Ask her if it's new. Ask her,
[00:00:23] in any case.
[00:00:25] Retired, it happened. I mean, and it happens.
[00:00:28] Let's ask. Antonila, we ask you.
[00:00:31] Let's see.
[00:00:35] Yes, what do they want to know about the deterioration of teacher salaries? It's not from this government, it's been happening for
[00:00:39] years. Now, obviously, we are getting worse, we are not improving
[00:00:42] educational conditions. The budget that this government votes, which also
[00:00:46] doesn't comply, because it doesn't comply with the university
[00:00:48] who had any involvement in financing law, it doesn't comply with the disability law, with the emergency in
[00:00:51] disability and a thousand etceteras. This means there is a concrete responsibility of the
[00:00:55] government that does not comply with the salary demands from all
[00:00:58] sectors. Now we are here with... the residents. Ask a resident how much
[00:01:02] they earn. Of course, in hospitals, there's a situation, and health and
[00:01:06] education are sustained by women. Care tasks
[00:01:10] doubts says that when we decide with are sustained by women, inside homes and outside too. Can I ask you a question?
[00:01:13] Aren't you, the teachers, somewhat responsible for
[00:01:16] working with the kids at school to
[00:01:19] avoid all the machismo that is
[00:01:23] ingrained in society?
[00:01:26] Yes, of course, and as I told you before, comprehensive sexual education has been...
[00:01:52] but I don't think she had an iPhone, no, but the owner of
[00:01:56] kilometers, 2.5 from the distance, maybe, well, maybe, but what I'm saying is, apparently
[00:02:22] protection and comfort, one less stress at
[00:02:30] mothers, many parents also question ESI because they think,
[00:02:33] I don't know what idea got into their heads, that in reality what ESI does is
[00:02:37] prevent abuse, prevent
[00:02:41] found. At deficiencies, inequalities, violence in schools. And
[00:02:43] well, and yet among Catholic schools, in my
[00:02:46] false testimony, for obstructing experience, I'm talking about my experience, this year we did
[00:02:50] a workshop with families, and families were desperately asking, that they
[00:02:54] don't have answers for certain things that adolescents raise, they
[00:02:57] received us, the teachers. What's more,
[00:03:01] what's more, Antonela, when we asked this year, I did a note with
[00:03:04] several high school students, the kids themselves
[00:03:07] were screaming for mental health spaces. We are
[00:03:11] gambling all day long with bets, the kids themselves
[00:03:15] said, "You adults have to contain us, we are without a
[00:03:18] network." The school, and the school activates
[00:03:21] now with what we're seeing of the mental health protocols when you have kids who tell you they
[00:03:24] want to commit suicide or who tell you serious issues of anxiety,
[00:03:27] depression. We make the alerts. The schools, and then they don't get an
[00:03:31] appointment for 6 months because public health is empty. So everything
[00:03:35] always falls on teachers. Teachers do what we can
[00:03:38] even with the little we have, with a lack of
[00:03:41] budget, and yet we don't abandon the classroom, we are there, we listen, all the time we are
[00:03:45] listening to the kids. Many times it is the only place where they are listened to.
[00:03:49] So it seems to me that at this moment what needs to be highlighted is that
[00:03:53] it cannot continue like this, that what happened to Nancy, unfortunately, let's
[00:03:56] say the death, yes, but the working conditions are not an exceptionality.
[00:04:00] Exactly.
[00:04:00] Exactly.
[00:04:08] Colleague, I mean, it seems to me that the strange thing is that, because if the conditions are those
[00:04:11] and Nancy reported and for me it's not minor that she reported, because if she reported it means
[00:04:15] that something smelled bad, so the government
[00:04:19] didn't respond to that. I mean, for me, at
[00:04:23] least, it makes my blood boil, what do you want me to say? We'll be back
[00:04:26] at the CTERA march. We have breaking news.
[00:04:34] Breaking news.
[00:04:38] It's hot this midday, all Vald's fault, national
[00:04:42] teacher strike and march for
[00:04:43] Nancy.
[00:04:46] They found her in a pasture in the area of the
[00:04:49] place. The place had not been
[00:04:52] searched.
[00:04:58] There's the map, the... location of this marsh
[00:05:01] where Nancy was found. They
[00:05:05] talked about 15 km, 2.5. The truth is that it is a
[00:05:08] difficult area, a difficult area to
[00:05:12] access on foot. You can't, because we saw it with, if you have Martin
[00:05:15] there, if it's not too much trouble, don't take it
[00:05:18] badly, you're a man, I'm not
[00:05:20] mistreating you. Can you put
[00:05:24] the image, the image of the horse that goes with the water
[00:05:28] practically up to there, there it is, look,
[00:05:31] there is some passage, this is little, there is some passage where
[00:05:35] the horse has water directly almost up to its spine,
[00:05:38] where the rider is sitting. In those conditions was the...
[00:06:18] if they know the place, if they have information regarding whether it could have
[00:06:22] been a single person who took the body there, or if it had
[00:06:25] to have been more than one. No, one person is enough because, as we were saying just now,
[00:06:29] the horse, you cross the body that we always see in movies,
[00:06:32] pack animals carrying, for example, the crossing
[00:06:36] of two donkeys, of course. I want to go back to some information that
[00:06:39] Pampa was just saying in the first instance, well.
[00:06:42] We were giving the scoop yesterday, the sad news, not about the
[00:06:46] discovery of Nancy's remains, who had been missing for more than 15
[00:06:49] days. In a first instance, it had emerged that the discovery site
[00:06:53] was 15 km from the school, however, this
[00:06:56] was later clarified. Yesterday I was listening
[00:07:00] to the commissioner, the head of the police of Corrientes,
[00:07:03] Leguizamón, it was much closer, 2 and a half
[00:07:09] the school, very close too...
[00:07:12] and a half approximately from where the dome of the Curupí ranch is
[00:07:16] located, that is, yes, much closer than we
[00:07:19] thought, that is, Belu, it is probable that,
[00:07:23] let's see, it was someone who was very close to the situation,
[00:07:26] it has to be, is one of the arrested people, not that they were all together,
[00:07:30] that is not yet confirmed, and it was right there
[00:07:33] that they discarded her, and it was also without the foresight of, for
[00:07:37] example, taking the cell phone out of the backpack, it was improvised, it was improvised, that's what I wanted to
[00:07:41] say, totally. Isado, I understand that the place where the body
[00:07:44] was found was and is the discarding place, not
[00:07:48] the place where the crime was committed, not the primary crime scene,
[00:07:52] that information we still don't have from where they killed her and
[00:07:55] ended up taking Nancy's life, also a few
[00:07:58] meters from where the remains
[00:08:00] were found.
[00:08:03] Exactly, all those, but it is presumed to be between the 7th and the 9th, which are the
[00:08:07] days when communication with Nancy was cut off.
[00:08:10] There, there will surely be a key piece of data because
[00:08:14] in case it can be known for sure, something that I don't know what window
[00:08:17] they will have of death data, Rosale Leguizamón
[00:08:21] told justice first that the last time he saw her was Friday
[00:08:24] the 9th, and then he corrected it to the day before, Thursday
[00:08:27] the 8th. If the death data can be known,
[00:08:30] it will also be known if Rosale Leguizamón
[00:08:33] lied about that. The death data gives
[00:08:37] you a window of how long it can be
[00:08:41] if there is a preservation.
[00:09:12] She goes to Sauce, the town of Sauce, to this traditional
[00:09:16] festival where she was going to be awarded. However, in a statement she
[00:09:20] gave to the press previously during the days of Nancy's search, she had contradictions.
[00:09:24] She said things that were different from what she later said in
[00:09:27] court, so this logically caught the attention of the
[00:09:30] prosecutor, and that's why we are now talking about an indicted person. But there is a message that
[00:09:34] she sends to the owner of the ranch saying that she was leaving because
[00:09:38] she was unwell, she felt sick, she was going to seek medical attention. So
[00:09:42] that... that message was provided to justice and is another
[00:09:45] element that led to her being arrested. She also had
[00:09:49] contradictions and inconsistencies with respect to the testimony of her
[00:09:53] husband, Nahuel Rojas, also another of the arrested and
[00:09:56] indicted. I wanted to add that, well, regarding the discovery,
[00:10:00] not only were the remains found, but also the
[00:10:03] bag that was a few meters away, a few
[00:10:06] meters away, a pair of boots, yes, with the cell phone, which
[00:10:10] was also a mystery. Well, in the first instance, I think the most
[00:10:14] relevant piece of information is that she had Nancy's cell phone, which was one
[00:10:17] of the devices that was being highly
[00:10:20] sought after.
[00:10:26] The message from the people is coming now. Breaking
[00:10:28] news.
[00:10:32] Grandpa Ramón is watching,
[00:10:34] Ramón, Ramón has many things to say.
[00:10:38] Exclusive,
[00:10:44] the revealing message from one of the
[00:10:46] accused:
[00:10:50] "What do we do with the body?" I said there
[00:10:53] were complicated messages.
[00:11:00] That would have been found, we know whose phone it was, from the accused,
[00:11:03] from the accused, still, still, let's see, 28 phones
[00:11:07] in total, 28, 28, 30, yes, because phones were taken from everyone
[00:11:13] the area, I think even from the people at the ranch,
[00:11:17] and they are analyzing and working on that, good job, and there are
[00:11:21] many, yes, this contradicts, I insist, those who...
[00:11:25] say that the power is behind it, I'm not, no, no,
[00:11:28] let's see, I'm not here to defend anyone, but I say, if you
[00:11:32] want to make a body disappear with
[00:11:35] power, this is not the way, be careful that the body disappears, this
[00:11:39] is very clear, Papa, I agree with that, if not, ask about the Loan case,
[00:11:43] I don't know, yes,
[00:11:46] totally, what do you think, but I understand that on the other hand, the prosecutor's office worked
[00:11:50] well, say the people who are close to the investigation, for
[00:11:54] example, they have.
[00:11:57] unless some late-nighter, well, everyone's phones, everyone's
[00:12:00] DNA already taken for when a comparison needs to be made, I wanted to ask you this,
[00:12:04] how long does it take to analyze all the phones, for example, Nancy's
[00:12:07] phone that they found? It depends, it depends on the equipment,
[00:12:11] the brand, no, no, it depends on the equipment because if it's an iPhone it costs much more,
[00:12:20] the information I have, you can confirm it, is that Nancy's
[00:12:24] phone was on and working, that is, they could open it directly, no,
[00:12:28] not on, it must have been off because after so many days the battery ran out eventually, so
[00:12:32] you have to charge it, you have to download all the elements, and then analyze
[00:12:36] them, and then you have to cross-reference all the phones
[00:12:39] to see who communicates with whom, at what time, where
[00:12:43] the antenna that the phone was on is located, let's start by saying that here
[00:12:46] we have a serious signal problem, so that's going to make
[00:12:49] things complicated, but it's very crude, it's very crude, no, because it's
[00:12:52] indeed a... of a body very
[00:12:56] close to the crime scene, there were five or six people, no
[00:12:59] more in that place, and leaving the victim's
[00:13:02] phone elsewhere.
[00:13:05] The cuts she has on her hands and legs, they tried to dismember her, apparently Belu has
[00:13:09] that information, it's the information that arises based on the
[00:13:13] lacerations and cuts. We have to
[00:13:16] see what severity the cuts have to
[00:13:19] reach the conclusion that they tried to dismember her, because the
[00:13:22] reality is that she has a super cut.
[00:13:32] At the joints, those who end up dismembering a
[00:13:35] body, first they said they were defense cuts, of course, you remember,
[00:13:39] well, but there's another issue, the scene
[00:13:43] is preserved
[00:13:46] field, what else will they be able to seize? It will be very
[00:13:50] complicated, in fact they are no longer in the field, yesterday they did everything, they took the
[00:13:54] body in the helicopter, they deposited it in the forensic medical
[00:13:57] institute of the capital of Corrientes and that's it,
[00:14:01] there's nothing left there, nothing.
[00:14:04] How was the transfer to there, the body on horseback, well, but
[00:14:08] on horseback, as I said,
[00:14:11] like a potato sack that you used to play with
[00:14:15] when you were a kid, but on the back of the horse,
[00:14:18] probably, no, and I say, having now there are two sources of
[00:14:21] information.
[00:14:25] Very important information, Nancy's phone,
[00:14:27] totally, and the body, everyone's phones,
[00:14:30] yes, well, but especially the victim's, who called her, who told her
[00:14:34] to go here. The role, the role of Joaquin surprises
[00:14:36] me, the guy who knows and marks where the body is, has
[00:14:40] nothing to do with it, it's a question, it may have nothing to do with it, what I asked you
[00:14:44] today, is he detained, he is not
[00:14:46] detained, I think, but you know he gave precise information, who told you,
[00:14:50] how did you know, why did you hide it, sorry, for so
[00:14:53] long. Yes, yes, but two
[00:14:57] things can happen, he doesn't have enough evidence to arrest him, or
[00:15:01] since he provided information, he effectively knows he won't
[00:15:04] flee because he hasn't fled yet, and that strategy served the prosecutor's
[00:15:07] office, they still let him free so he can give them more
[00:15:11] information, and I agree with you, the prosecutor's office acted
[00:15:14] very, the prosecutor is very, very cunning, he's really very clever,
[00:15:18] and what he did was let him run, as they say in the
[00:15:21] countryside, let him be to fatten him up, so
[00:15:25] he broke when he saw that his whole family had been arrested and he was told "you're
[00:15:28] next," this for me was the strategy of the
[00:15:32] prosecutor's office, although we'll have to see, no, because it's also logical that if he had all that
[00:15:35] information, he's not...
[00:15:37] you're obligated unless it's your sister there, for your sister you're not
[00:15:41] obligated, for the others, yes, for the others, yes, for your
[00:15:44] sister, no, but if you know Arza, yes, and he would be
[00:15:48] the material author, against him he's not obligated, he has
[00:15:52] an impediment to declare to denounce him, so
[00:15:55] why, what I'm asking is why did it take him 20 days to give the
[00:15:59] information about where she was if he had it. He should be
[00:16:03] in jail, you know. We'll have to see when the prosecutor called him too, he called
[00:16:06] him three times, three times. Yesterday, when he
[00:16:09] broke down, they went to the place and the information arrived. You know what's
[00:16:13] good? We will have that information because
[00:16:17] you who always have good contacts will have that information and we will be able to
[00:16:20] understand what the strategy was. Surely in the next few days we'll go to the
[00:16:24] province now. You go, Belu, you want to add something? Mauro is back
[00:16:28] from there. Mauro, how does this day continue? What else is going to happen? Well,
[00:16:32] 6 PM is the time of the hearing where
[00:16:35] through video
[00:16:38] conference, the family will receive the autopsy
[00:16:41] results, which the forensic medical institute will
[00:16:45] provide, and well, there we will have much more
[00:16:48] information regarding what they found in the
[00:16:52] body. Yes, there's talk of cuts on the hand, there's
[00:16:55] talk of an attempt to dismember, but all that
[00:16:59] will be officially announced in some way from
[00:17:02] 6 PM onwards. Another piece of information I was hearing is that they were talking about Joaquin
[00:17:06] Lee Zamon. And that he is still free.
[00:17:10] Gustavo Brién also gave us to understand that
[00:17:14] he would also go for Bordón, who until now is
[00:17:17] provisionally considered a false
[00:17:21] witness, but something that the plaintiff does not share and that we need to
[00:17:24] pay attention to see if the classification of Bordón's crime also doesn't
[00:17:28] change, is that Mauro, you're right, and he's
[00:17:32] right in that he was the first to say that she had been
[00:17:35] abused and killed. First, that information, then he diverted
[00:17:39] the investigation to a place where
[00:17:42] the body was not, but he knew
[00:17:46] that she had been killed, of course, in fact what he said happened, of course, totally
[00:17:50] of course, of course, because I mean, Bordón first said that they killed her in a group, then he said no,
[00:17:54] when did he lie?
[00:17:57] There's a before and after for a lawyer too, eh, exactly, I was going to tell you
[00:18:01] that, and in the middle there are the complaints about illegal
[00:18:03] prizes.
[00:18:07] No, and for disability. That he suffered from, no, apparently it is even visible, apparently it is even
[00:18:11] visible, the disability that this person has. But well, I mean,
[00:18:14] his first version is ultimately the one that is currently confirmed, of course, what
[00:18:18] exactly, of course. The prosecutor, what happens is, he charges him with
[00:18:23] the investigation when he indicates a supposed place
[00:18:27] where the remains or the body of
[00:18:30] Nancy were. The prosecutor's office, the prosecutor goes and she was not
[00:18:33] there, that's why he ends up charging him with false testimony, but let's see. Without
[00:18:37] a doubt, what is inferred is that Ezequiel Bordón knew something, had some kind of
[00:18:41] information. Obviously, his participation in the
[00:18:44] crime of Nancy is not clear yet. Let's go with messages, Carito, what do the
[00:18:48] people say? Well, we have messages here, for example, from a rural teacher who tells us: "Well, the truth is that the
[00:18:52] socio-economic conditions sometimes incite us
[00:18:55] to access jobs and workplaces from
[00:18:58] which many times we have no other option." What we were talking about earlier, no,
[00:19:02] they also demand that students study in
[00:19:05] deplorable conditions. And I say this as a rural
[00:19:09] teacher.
[00:19:11] There you go, how good, a rural teacher, where is she from? She tells you, Caro, she told you she doesn't tell us where she's from,
[00:19:15] where is she from? Well, we send her a hug, tell us if you want, because
[00:19:19] it's also good to be able to talk to a rural teacher who tells us the reality that teachers
[00:19:22] live, exactly, and she tells us this, that the conditions, exactly, that the
[00:19:26] socio-economic conditions sometimes mean they have to access those types of jobs, that even if they
[00:19:30] don't want to and know that it's wrong or that the conditions are not good, unfortunately
[00:19:33] , of course, if she returned to that place and stayed in a place that even gave her
[00:20:07] business in the framework of the RIGI, the
[00:20:11] special incentive regime for large investments, Karina Miley
[00:20:14] was in this case with small and medium-sized enterprises of our
[00:20:18] country so that they can join large investment
[00:20:21] projects. Here everyone has to win, that's what the
[00:20:25] General Secretary of the Presidency said on behalf of the
[00:20:28] national government. I mean, in this case, this
[00:20:32] business round included 2500 SMEs and 43 large
[00:20:35] companies. How
[00:20:37] nice.
[00:20:41] Activity this morning of the national government, we take
[00:20:44] a break, when we return, we have more information, stay tuned to
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