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[00:01:40] exclusive,
[00:01:46] new attack by the loan shark mafia, listen to
[00:01:49] this case, uh, sisters live a nightmare for a
[00:01:53] loan,
[00:01:57] they threaten us every day.
[00:02:08] Emanuel Herrera is working
[00:02:10] there, he is with the two threatened
[00:02:14] sisters, he is going to tell us, they
[00:02:17] are going to tell us in first
[00:02:20] person, what is happening to them, what
[00:02:24] let's see, I'll tell you a little because I know something about the are they experiencing, Emma, welcome once again to Imbatibles, as
[00:02:28] exactly. the scourge of
[00:02:31] loan sharks, people who take advantage of the
[00:02:34] needs of other people, they
[00:02:37] wanted to start a
[00:02:39] in Argentina, you can't do whatever business, they wanted to invest to be able to open
[00:02:42] a small business, to be able to subsist, and the
[00:02:45] truth is that a debt that started at one million pesos,
[00:02:49] has now multiplied by 15 and they are living a
[00:02:52] nightmare, now they owe 15 million
[00:02:56] pesos, remind me your name, my name is Miriam. 15
[00:03:00] usual ones. They go and stand at million pesos from a debt of
[00:03:03] one million, uh, this nightmare began in
[00:03:07] February when my sister and I
[00:03:10] wanted to start a business to be able to get ahead, open a store
[00:03:14] and well, a mother of a classmate of
[00:03:18] my child at school introduced us
[00:03:21] to these loan sharks who are Colombians, we don't know their
[00:03:25] names, can I ask you a question, sorry, well, you
[00:03:27] tell us this, it makes me angry, I'm starting to
[00:03:31] get angry, can I ask you this, I'm going to be direct with this issue, did you
[00:03:34] sign a contract with these people, did you sign a promissory note, what
[00:03:38] did you sign?
[00:03:41] as a result of this way you No, nothing, nothing, we didn't sign anything, well, this is very clear, listen, what they are
[00:03:45] doing to you is so that you file a complaint with the police, because it's like I
[00:03:48] come now and tell you you owe me 45
[00:03:52] after million pesos, you don't owe these people 15 million pesos, I would practically tell you that you don't owe
[00:03:56] them anything, why do I tell you this so bluntly, because they come and say
[00:04:00] look, I'm going to charge you 300%
[00:04:03] daily interest, it's illegal, what they are
[00:04:06] doing to you is a threat, they are a mafia, don't pay them anything, file a complaint with
[00:04:10] the police, because if not, and if the lives of these women are at risk, well,
[00:04:13] but it's the same as if I told you transfer your car to me or I'll kill you,
[00:04:17] this is the same, but you haven't seen how these people pressure, what do they
[00:04:21] threaten you with, girls, so that you pay them, and it's a
[00:04:25] daily harassment, it's every day
[00:04:29] a call for...
[00:04:44] explaining myself, it's either pay
[00:04:58] sorry, they, they, uh, what
[00:05:02] in March we paid the installment of 400
[00:05:06] 40000 pesos and in April after
[00:05:09] that.
[00:05:12] exactly yes and after how
[00:05:15] much they left you owing from the capital of the first
[00:05:18] loan without interest 200 pesos, you left
[00:05:21] them owing, from then on you never paid these people
[00:05:25] anything uh no, we couldn't pay them
[00:05:28] anything more because we ran out of money, yes, we could pay that because we could sell the
[00:05:32] freezer we had bought
[00:05:35] uh actually, uh the producer was mistaken, actually it was 2
[00:05:38] million that we asked for, oh you still owe them 1,2000
[00:05:46] uh yes, exactly, the thing is that since they
[00:05:49] supposedly operate with daily interest and
[00:05:52] if you reach the end of the month and don't pay the installment
[00:05:56] they renew the credit and charge you
[00:06:00] more, the thing is that today, in any case, what
[00:06:03] you are suffering here are threats because obviously you have been
[00:06:07] enduring it because you haven't paid them anymore, that is, you only have
[00:06:11] threats here.
[00:06:13] yes, yes, they call you every day, they tell you they are coming to your
[00:06:16] house,
[00:06:19] my sister, for example, I don't know if we passed the videos to the
[00:06:23] production where she has a broken window,
[00:06:26] at night, for example, cars stop in front of my sister's house, but wait,
[00:06:30] wait, because the issue is, uh, this, this
[00:06:34] unfortunately is a drama for many people,
[00:06:37] only here they have the courage to tell it on
[00:06:40] TV, but the harassment is ferocious, it's every
[00:06:44] day, uh insults, what do they
[00:06:47] have recorded or do you have a model message of how these people
[00:06:50] pressure you to return this money, so that we
[00:06:53] can dimension it and people, hello, how are you,
[00:06:57] yes, how are you, no, no videos, hello, uh,
[00:07:01] we don't have audio, what I did pass was the threats and at
[00:07:04] dawn cars almost always stop at the door, they stay for a while and I don't
[00:07:08] go out because I'm alone with the children, I don't go out to see who is there or who
[00:07:11] it is,
[00:07:18] Clear that they are going to kill us, that they are going to get into the house, that we prepare
[00:07:22] things, did you file a formal complaint at the police
[00:07:25] station?
[00:07:27] No, because we are afraid, we don't have, they don't
[00:07:31] give names, well, but then, let's see, they call from somewhere, they know
[00:07:34] them from somewhere, go file the complaint, say who gave you the
[00:07:38] contact, state who gave it to you,
[00:07:42] how you saw them, where you saw them, file the complaint with the police, because let's see,
[00:07:45] this, we live in a state of law, which means there is a law
[00:07:51] you want, you can not pay them, because obviously
[00:07:55] you owe these people money, to begin with, you owe them 1,2000 in
[00:07:58] capital, plus the interest that a judge or whoever
[00:08:02] decides this fact will have to regulate, do I make myself clear, because
[00:08:05] it's not that they make the law, you can now disavow the interest they
[00:08:09] decided, you can say, look, they didn't tell me. the interest is high, I didn't understand,
[00:08:13] furthermore, you have nothing signed, there is no signed paper,
[00:08:17] you talk about the law, uh, just in case someone has doubts, the
[00:08:21] loan shark, the neighborhood usurer is a totally illegal
[00:08:24] activity, what these people are doing is
[00:08:27] and then ruining your
[00:08:31] lives, because they act with a silence and
[00:08:35] a and a systematization where they already have the
[00:08:38] roles distributed, what happens to you is a true pandemic,
[00:08:41] it happens to... many, especially women in the neighborhoods, because it's
[00:08:45] speculating with need, with anguish, what things did
[00:08:49] you stop doing
[00:08:53] are living, how is your day-to-
[00:08:56] day,
[00:08:58] and actually it's living with fear, with
[00:09:02] fear, going out, always looking around,
[00:09:06] in all directions, in case they, I don't know, because they come
[00:09:10] in a car, on a motorcycle, to the children
[00:09:13] at school and we are constantly afraid because the children also go out
[00:09:17] to play on the sidewalk, uh we
[00:09:19] can't stop living, that is, doing our
[00:09:23] daily life because of this but the daily
[00:09:26] harassment is every day a phone call
[00:09:30] we know, for example, my
[00:09:31] sister look,
[00:09:35] honestly, they have the documents, they have our
[00:09:38] address, they know everything,
[00:09:42] so that they don't harass you on the phone, you change your cell phone number and then if they show up at your
[00:09:46] door, I don't know, at that moment you call 911 because I don't find
[00:09:50] many, uh, many solutions to this
[00:09:52] case, I, I don't know if I'm
[00:09:56] them what they say, keep enduring the threats, and if they threaten me in
[00:10:00] this way, many people, you know what they do, they ask for another loan
[00:10:04] to pay these people who already become to pay them how much, how are they going to pay
[00:10:08] 15 million and
[00:10:10] 200, the thing is that today
[00:10:13] we
[00:10:15] can't get into another loan either, I'll tell you a
[00:10:19] little about my situation, I studied for 3 and a half years at
[00:10:23] university. I graduated almost two
[00:10:26] months ago, I am a hospital pharmacy technician and I can't
[00:10:30] find a job, I'm looking everywhere, because of the
[00:10:34] phone, because of numbers, I go to hospitals,
[00:10:37] to pharmacies and, you know, no, yes Gabi,
[00:10:41] go ahead, no, we can't collect that money, where did you get these
[00:10:44] Dominican gentlemen from,
[00:10:47] Colombians, where did you find them, because they are not even from our country, I mean, where did
[00:10:51] you get them from?
[00:10:54] Uh, one day talking to a mom from school who, well, obviously
[00:10:58] I'm not going to give names so as not to compromise her,
[00:11:00] no, uh, uh, we were telling her that we wanted to do
[00:11:04] something, a store, something, because my sister was in a bad economic
[00:11:08] situation, I couldn't work either because I was at
[00:11:11] university, which means being at
[00:11:14] university all day, you don't have time,
[00:11:17] uh, she told us, look, I know some Colombian people who will
[00:11:21] lend you money and she gave us the number, yes,
[00:11:25] only with the contact, that day we
[00:11:28] arranged what was the loan, encouraging you to show your face on television, girls, the
[00:11:31] country is watching you at this moment, I mean, you have to be able to
[00:11:34] report them because maybe they can even deport them because these people don't even have
[00:11:38] documents, and I really mean
[00:11:41] it, uh, yes, the
[00:11:45] truth is that they don't even let you, I mean, when they
[00:11:49] call you on the phone and make threats, it's
[00:11:52] directly from an unknown
[00:11:59] The first thing I would do is change , you call the phone
[00:12:02] company, I want to change the cell phone number, I would change your
[00:12:06] number, your sister's
[00:12:08] number to start with, so that they can't call you anymore and then if
[00:12:12] they show up at your house, I would file a complaint because
[00:12:16] there aren't many solutions but listen, there is no other
[00:12:19] solution, Melina, listen, either they
[00:12:21] return the money that these guys are asking for, which is crazy because no one is going to
[00:12:25] return 15 million from two million and they don't have the
[00:12:28] money, they arm themselves and they start shooting, it's not going to happen that they
[00:12:32] are going to start shooting with these people, therefore, they, they,
[00:12:35] I mean, are not armed, so they have to file a complaint, who is going to defend you if not the
[00:12:39] police, we from a television studio cannot defend you, Emma said something
[00:12:43] I think, right? Let's see Emma, go ahead please, yes,
[00:12:49] unfortunately, the money these people
[00:12:52] handle is money that comes
[00:12:56] directly, it's black money, it's money that comes from
[00:13:00] drug trafficking, these people, as Melina rightly said,
[00:13:04] circulate armed, why? Because behind you have a fight for
[00:13:07] territories and what they want to avoid is that the money they
[00:13:11] carry is stolen from them, because they always go with live money, with cash,
[00:13:14] from what they collect, so people
[00:13:18] who are armed, I tell you that the threats they make
[00:13:22] to them are the
[00:13:25] your door and tell you I'm going to kill your son, I'm going to kill
[00:13:29] your husband, I'm going to kill the relatives
[00:13:33] they have, that's why I say they can change their phone
[00:13:37] number, but these people are armed, these
[00:13:40] people are known by a nickname and what
[00:13:43] they do is in the face of the constant
[00:13:47] dispute over territory and that another gang that does the same could come
[00:13:50] to take their money, they are very
[00:13:54] strong.
[00:14:05] they are not mafiosos and they are not armed, so that's why let's use logic and put a
[00:14:08] little common sense into this situation, you have two
[00:14:11] paths, flee and leave the country with your whole family, you don't want to
[00:14:14] do it, returning the 15 million is impossible because you don't have the
[00:14:18] money,
[00:14:21] so what can you do? File a complaint, don't you know what they are doing?
[00:14:43] are the eyes of women who are dead in life, imagine every
[00:14:46] day you leave your house, looking with total
[00:14:50] paranoia because you don't know what is going to happen to you and look, they
[00:14:54] tell me yes. head, that's how they live, this
[00:14:58] is one of the testimonies, but this happens every day in the neighborhoods,
[00:15:01] excuse me, I ask, isn't there a prosecutor who, if you file a complaint, gets
[00:15:05] to work and looks for who these Colombians are who are pressuring people, because
[00:15:09] it's a venomous trap, obviously not, and well, but listen, it's a trap,
[00:15:12] oh, I lend you a million, they know that they won't come
[00:15:16] back to then threaten you, it's not crazy, I,
[00:15:19] file the complaint, criminals,
[00:15:23] they do is play with... people's needs, because
[00:15:27] in our case no, uh, we had the
[00:15:30] hope of being able to open this store, of getting
[00:15:33] ahead, because as I tell you, we don't get, I don't get
[00:15:36] a job from...
[00:16:08] another missing
[00:16:08] teacher,
[00:16:14] nothing is known about Raul since October 12, how can
[00:16:18] it be,
[00:16:21] first Nanti, now Raul, please, where is
[00:16:24] Raul, she is connected with
[00:16:26] us, who is Raul's
[00:16:30] daughter, and we want her to tell us what
[00:16:33] she knows, welcome to Imbatible, on Crónica's screen.
[00:16:38] Hello, good afternoon, thank you for contacting me, please, thank
[00:16:41] you for your testimony, tell us
[00:16:44] principle, when was the last time, what was the last contact
[00:16:48] you had with your father, we want to understand what happened in this case to
[00:16:52] see what happened,
[00:16:54] yes, my dad, well, on October 12 he decides to leave
[00:16:58] here in the
[00:17:01] Mollar, which is near Tafí del
[00:17:05] Valle, to a hill called .
[00:17:08] uh he starts his journey around 10-11 in the morning
[00:17:12] uh to be able to reach the summit, which is more or less
[00:17:16] 3300 m above sea level
[00:17:19] uh around 5 in the afternoon he sends us
[00:17:22] photos saying that he had already reached the summit where he wanted
[00:17:26] to go, uh and that he was going to descend by another
[00:17:29] path that he had not encountered, excuse me, was there
[00:17:33] a signal on top of the mountain for him to tell
[00:17:36] yes, along his journey, he would send us
[00:17:40] photos, videos, he would tell us how the
[00:17:43] path was, that's why when he contacts
[00:17:46] my uncles who were going to pick him up at the
[00:17:50] bottom of the hill to go back to
[00:17:53] what is Tafí del Valle in Mollar
[00:17:56] he
[00:17:58] tells my uncle where he was going to go down
[00:18:02] yes, but from there, which was uh the last contact, the last
[00:18:06] contact, we assume
[00:18:09] he had an accident, that's the first thing that crosses our mind,
[00:18:12] no, yes, there are hypotheses, there are many
[00:18:15] hypotheses, the first is that maybe he
[00:18:19] got disoriented because, well, here at 5-6 in the afternoon the
[00:18:22] fog or clouds start to come down a lot, so you lose
[00:18:26] your orientation regarding the path, you don't know where you are,
[00:18:30] you have information, there is an issue here, Cristian, has he ever
[00:18:34] done this route?
[00:18:36] He knows the area, he is not
[00:18:39] inexperienced, he is, he is from Tucumán, uh,
[00:18:43] originally from Tucumán, he lives in Bariloche, for many years
[00:18:46] in what is the Black River, uh, he
[00:18:50] has been doing mountain trekking for many years
[00:18:53] and so on, both in the south and here in Tucumán, but it was the first time he climbed this
[00:18:57] specific hill, which is El Junco, look, they tell me
[00:19:00] this is key, he disappears on the 12th, he
[00:19:04] climbs, then when he was descending, he sends a
[00:19:07] the search for Raul, uh, let's remember that he is message, no. he never responds again, but now there is an issue, that on the 14th,
[00:19:11] that is, two days after the disappearance,
[00:19:14] uh, there is a signal impact that they tell me
[00:19:17] here, on route
[00:19:19] 307, uh, it's a provincial
[00:19:23] road and the area of El Indio there, precisely
[00:19:26] 48 hours
[00:19:30] the disappearance, a cell phone impacts, that's why there is
[00:19:33] an investigation regarding
[00:19:37] 59 years old, Mollano, and they are looking for him, but
[00:19:40] here, attention, a hypothesis is not
[00:19:44] ruled out, if he ran into someone on the mountain, sure, and
[00:19:48] someone found the phone, for example, that could be a hypothesis,
[00:19:51] no, because they could have taken Raul too, he doesn't seem like a person,
[00:19:55] I don't know, why would they, for what reason would they take him, would they kidnap
[00:19:58] him? What does your heart
[00:20:02] tell you, your intuition, what do you think happened to your father,
[00:20:04] uh, no, for me he got disoriented because
[00:20:08] well, here the weather was not helping much, there was a lot of rain and the
[00:20:12] fog was, it was very, it didn't
[00:20:15] let you see the path for the next step, uh, more than 2, 3
[00:20:18] meters, it didn't let you see, but is anyone looking for him now, I mean, is anyone
[00:20:22] doing searches in the area where he
[00:20:26] got lost? Yes, yes, a search was
[00:20:29] carried out since, well, since the complaint was filed,
[00:20:33] uh, with people from the police here and so on, and then more people
[00:20:37] joined, and to this day, today there are people from both
[00:20:40] the police, federal, gendarmerie, uh,
[00:20:43] there are people from High Mountain, uh, a lot of
[00:20:46] people looking for my dad and luckily the government is.
[00:20:50] Yes, then a question, was your father
[00:20:54] a climber or an
[00:20:57] experienced tracker, I ask
[00:21:00] because with a little experience you can
[00:21:03] know what to do in case you get disoriented, for example, look at a compass
[00:21:07] or start going downhill towards where it tells
[00:21:10] you, for example, I don't know, I have to go west, I know the exit is to the
[00:21:14] west, you start heading in that direction, yes,
[00:21:18] yes, yes, my dad has been trekking in the
[00:21:21] mountains for more than 10 years, the thing is that well, it's not the same to orient yourself perhaps when
[00:21:27] you have a compass or you have a cell phone, than when you don't have those
[00:21:30] tools, but he had them, but I don't see him as an improvised person, your dad has been doing
[00:21:34] this for 10 years, he probably had a pocket
[00:21:37] compass, well, I don't
[00:21:40] have any idea because I wasn't with him here when he packed his things, but yes, he had the
[00:21:44] cell phone and he was trying to orient himself with it, well, the cell phone has
[00:21:48] a built-in compass.
[00:21:50] clear,
[00:21:57] but I'm also concerned, do you know if he was in good
[00:22:00] health, because you can have a lot of experience, but maybe, I don't
[00:22:04] know, he felt unwell, he had a fever, he was
[00:22:07] altitude sick, low blood pressure, anyone can
[00:22:11] have a heart attack, guys, let's be realistic too, clear, no, no, but
[00:22:15] no, he was a very healthy person and at least he had all the
[00:22:19] medical check-ups. So he was a person who knew what he was doing, uh, it's not
[00:22:23] that he just went for it, if he was a victim of a
[00:22:25] crime,
[00:22:27] well, uh, that hypothesis is not there because, well, it's not a very
[00:22:31] common hill for people to go to, uh, other than the local
[00:22:34] people who have animals, but then no accident,
[00:22:38] what does it feel like to you as a daughter, knowing the area, knowing your
[00:22:42] dad, what do you feel happened here? No, that he
[00:22:45] got disoriented and perhaps had some accident. In terms of not being able
[00:22:49] to continue in the direction he wanted or at least
[00:22:52] orient himself to a place where there are more people, so
[00:22:55] perhaps it prevented him from
[00:22:59] continuing his journey, no, the thing is that now many days have passed since October
[00:23:03] 12, no, we are talking about, clear, if he is
[00:23:06] injured, that's why being injured, I get information
[00:23:10] that the search is reinforced, eh, they tell me that
[00:23:12] special forces personnel participate,
[00:23:16] infantry, volunteer firefighters from Monteros, the El Mollar
[00:23:19] police station. Drone specialists and also four
[00:23:23] highly knowledgeable rescuers from
[00:23:26] Mendoza also in collaboration, now how important it is to have all the
[00:23:29] instruments when doing an adventure like this,
[00:23:32] eh, I don't know, trackers or as I said before, the
[00:23:36] compass, because clear, now the police must be quite
[00:23:39] disoriented, because the place must be huge, sometimes when we are
[00:23:43] here we say they are looking for him, it seems as if in 15 minutes you cover the whole place, but
[00:23:46] maybe the mountain is giant.
[00:23:51] Sure, it's a, yes, we had the possibility to
[00:23:55] ascend by helicopter as well, to have an idea of what
[00:23:58] was being swept and what areas were being
[00:24:02] searched, uh, because well, as a family, sometimes you also despair because
[00:24:06] well, many days have passed and no objects of my dad have been found,
[00:24:10] so that is also desperate because
[00:24:13] we know that work is being done, but we haven't found his backpack, his trekking
[00:24:16] poles, his cell phone, nothing. Do you think
[00:24:20] the police, obviously all the people who have been looking for him from the
[00:24:24] first moment, did a good job, quickly,
[00:24:28] because as Laura said, many days have passed, I mean, what do
[00:24:32] you think this could have been at another time, that
[00:24:35] they could have hurried a little more, that they only thought he was
[00:24:38] disoriented, how do you see it? Well, here it's
[00:24:42] very, I don't know if the word
[00:24:44] is perfect to say it, but it's
[00:24:48] a habitual thing that people get disoriented when they climb the hill
[00:24:52] and sometimes get lost for one or two days,
[00:24:55] uh, and are found, this situation is
[00:24:59] something that had not happened before, so many days
[00:25:02] without any news, uh, my uncles,
[00:25:05] when they found out that same Monday at 8 p.m. that there were no
[00:25:09] traces of my dad, they decided to go to the police
[00:25:12] station, uh, well, it's all
[00:25:16] bureaucratic too, like all cases that
[00:25:18] there are, uh, so well, sometimes the... at 2 a.m. they
[00:25:22] finally took the report, why
[00:25:24] did your father decide to go
[00:25:27] alone? Because he always walked alone or sometimes with a group,
[00:25:30] he is a person who has been trekking for a long time and
[00:25:34] and sometimes it's a moment where he feels he disconnects,
[00:25:37] no, now at the time of the descent is when he cuts
[00:25:40] communication, that is, he announces that he arrives and at the time of the
[00:25:43] descent he sends the message and after that he loses all
[00:25:47] contact, that's why at these moments. they say
[00:25:50] gendarmerie, firefighters, they are with drones and people
[00:25:54] from other provinces are arriving to collaborate in the search,
[00:25:57] yes, yes, specialized people this of what is
[00:26:01] High Mountain. and so on, no, uh, to also have
[00:26:05] a lot of resources
[00:26:10] the mountain beyond the staff, well, working at a high
[00:26:13] altitude, it's 3 meters high, very high. First, you need to have experience, but also, I ask, how
[00:26:17] is the weather these days? Because I mean, we had
[00:26:21] very diverse weather with a lot of rain, with cold. How
[00:26:25] is the weather these days?
[00:26:27] Uh, of all these days, we had three sunny days,
[00:26:31] nice.
[00:26:53] could be, let's say, with certain
[00:26:57] goods supplied so that he could
[00:27:01] survive these days. for all these days,
[00:27:05] no, imagine that it was going to be a one-day trek, nothing
[00:27:09] more, and that he was going to come back. Generally, those who do
[00:27:12] trekking, he carried his lunch, fruit, dried
[00:27:16] fruit, some small piece of bread or candy, water, nothing else,
[00:27:19] but not for so many days to be, yes,
[00:27:23] clear, it would seem from what you are narrating, Susai,
[00:27:27] I tell you with all the pain in the world, no, I don't want to be
[00:27:30] pessimistic either, that your dad had some
[00:27:33] health problem or some type of accident and stayed there,
[00:27:37] because now that we were doing, I don't know if you're watching the news, I imagine you've been following us since
[00:27:41] the beginning, when one analyzes the case we were talking about before, of
[00:27:44] Nancy, how difficult it is to sometimes find a person who
[00:27:48] is lying on the ground, who is hidden somewhere, on the contrary, perhaps he
[00:27:52] wanted to take shelter from the cold, he got into, in inverted commas, what
[00:27:55] would be a cave, a place to take shelter, which any
[00:27:59] person would do, logically.
[00:28:02] If he couldn't overcome that instance, so to speak,
[00:28:06] he stayed there also, because one imagines, well, I'm going
[00:28:10] to look for him, he's standing on a rock waving, and perhaps the case is the
[00:28:14] opposite, no, clear. What what, of course, if that had been the case,
[00:28:17] that he had stayed still, we would have found him
[00:28:21] days ago, but that's not the case.
[00:28:24] There's also the hypothesis that he wanted to take shelter because, well, the weather
[00:28:28] wasn't helping, and well,
[00:28:31] what you're saying is how he ate, everything, it's key, it's key. Do you feel
[00:28:35] that they've already scoured the entire area?
[00:28:38] Yes, but here for those who know and if they want to investigate
[00:28:42] also, what is the Niuniorco hill has many ravines and having
[00:28:46] many ravines is dangerous, for that same reason, but that's what
[00:28:49] I wanted to ask you, could he have fallen into one of those
[00:28:53] ravines, could he have fallen because I mean, that's also a
[00:28:56] possibility.
[00:29:02] that he may have slipped or something like that, injured himself and wanted to
[00:29:06] take shelter in a ravine, of course. I sent
[00:29:10] you a video when he
[00:29:13] reaches the small bench, which is one of the
[00:29:16] summits. Yes, he sends us, he sends us
[00:29:20] photos and then, uh, his partner
[00:29:24] sends him, uh, she also makes a video call,
[00:29:27] she makes a video call, there was a signal, of course, there was a signal, it was great there with the
[00:29:31] signal. In that last video, he says: very closed
[00:29:35] path, but it seems that at 50 m more or less, or
[00:29:39] a little more, is what he says, what he tells in that
[00:29:42] video. You know what worries me is that he was experienced, he had been doing it for 10
[00:29:46] years. You see 50 m ahead in the mountain, you go calmly,
[00:29:50] looking with the stick, seeing where you step, it's
[00:29:53] strange, you see, he's a cool guy, surely he won't fall
[00:29:57] that easily, I mean, no, Susy,
[00:30:00] did you manage to talk to another group of mountaineers who might have
[00:30:04] crossed paths with him, who might have had some record, who could
[00:30:07] really tell you how the situation was up on the
[00:30:11] mountain? Uh, no, no, I know that, well, the local people
[00:30:15] here who have animals, but not at that altitude,
[00:30:18] imagine 3,300 m, a lot, uh, but I know that
[00:30:22] at that time it was already a bit foggy, and then on Tuesday, I
[00:30:26] think, and because I know my dad,
[00:30:29] uh, he must have thought that, well, he could have spent a night, and then the next
[00:30:33] day he would calmly walk out and descend from the
[00:30:36] hill, uh, but no, no, he didn't cross paths with people at that
[00:30:40] high altitude, no. Gabsai,
[00:30:44] uh, this might be a strange question,
[00:30:47] but he hadn't fought with anyone, he didn't
[00:30:50] have any problems with anyone, with his
[00:30:53] partner?
[00:30:55] No, no, no, he didn't have problems, nor was he a
[00:30:59] depressive person.