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[00:00:00] you could talk to another group
[00:00:01] schools work, she knows of mountaineers who maybe crossed
[00:00:04] paths with him, who may have had some record, who could
[00:00:07] really tell you what the situation was like up on the
[00:00:11] mountain. Uh, no, no, I know that, well, the local
[00:00:15] people here have animals, but not at that altitude,
[00:00:20] Remember that we are in the month of imagine 3,300 m, a lot eh, but I know that at that time it was already a bit foggy
[00:00:24] and then on Tuesday, I
[00:00:28] one can have a lot of circumstances at the think, and knowing my dad, he probably thought that, well, he could have
[00:00:32] spent one night and the next day he would calmly walk out
[00:00:35] and descend the hill, but no, no, he didn't
[00:00:38] cross paths with anyone at that high altitude,
[00:00:41] no,
[00:00:45] uh, it might be a strange question, but he hadn't argued
[00:00:49] with anyone, he didn't have any problems with anyone, with
[00:00:53] his partner,
[00:00:56] no, no, he didn't have problems nor was he a depressive
[00:00:59] person. Nothing like that, uh,
[00:01:02] it was very common for him to go out and do physical activity and
[00:01:07] recognized with especially, well, we all have moments when we seek
[00:01:11] recreation through physical activity or other
[00:01:15] tasks, but for him, going for a walk, doing physical
[00:01:18] activity or going to the hill was a time to disconnect and connect with himself,
[00:01:22] he was emotionally going through a good
[00:01:25] time
[00:01:27] spiritually.
[00:01:30] Yes, yes, yes, he wasn't doing bad, that is, he wouldn't have, from your
[00:01:34] point of view and his partner, made any
[00:01:36] decision, no, no, not at all, that's
[00:01:40] totally ruled out, there's a moment, uh, that's
[00:01:44] very important, which is in that video and what the specialists say is
[00:01:47] that you have three ways to descend, you have the path on
[00:01:51] the right, which is the least used, with sectors of
[00:01:54] cliffs, you have the path in the center, which is a more
[00:01:58] traveled path and a faster descent, then you have the left side, which is
[00:02:02] another possibility of exit through the hillside, but here's something
[00:02:05] important, on October 12, uh, your dad
[00:02:08] says he had more or less 40% battery, that's what
[00:02:11] Matías, your brother, says in a note, he said that there was more or less
[00:02:15] 40% battery on his phone, on the 14th, a
[00:02:18] antenna located in Los Sarmientos registered a
[00:02:21] signal attributed precisely to your dad's phone,
[00:02:27] clearer, within now that video that the family sends is what
[00:02:30] the investigators are trying
[00:02:34] they left the cell phone and to reconstruct because it would be the path he apparently descended by, now those are
[00:02:37] the three paths
[00:02:41] and they don't find absolutely anything and the record of this antenna
[00:02:44] which is in the area of Los Sarmientos, how is that area of Los Sarmientos, I don't know if you
[00:02:48] know the area well since you're from there.
[00:02:51] To give you an idea, the Sarmientos antenna picks up from the
[00:02:55] side of the hill, from the southern area, so it's more
[00:02:59] from that area, descending the hill, yes, uh, my dad
[00:03:03] ascends from the northern area, which is exactly where the hill is, the highest
[00:03:06] part, so to speak, in El Mollar and Tafí, uh, he ascends
[00:03:10] through that area, the antenna picks up from the opposite side, so it picks up the Sarmientos
[00:03:14] antenna which can be very wide, where it could be,
[00:03:17] uh, it's like a triangle that antenna covers, that's why
[00:03:21] it was important to comb the entire southern part
[00:03:25] know, perhaps under of what would be the hill, which is the part where you descend and then
[00:03:28] you directly go to the towns here. Tucumán, right, let's see, logic
[00:03:31] indicates that if he managed to get down, he could have reached
[00:03:35] somewhere, I think I'm sticking a
[00:03:38] bit with the hypothesis that he could have had either an
[00:03:42] accident or tried to take shelter somewhere and they can't
[00:03:45] see him now with the
[00:03:48] drones and the dogs and everything, the truth is it's
[00:03:51] desperate, how are you, Sushi? We haven't asked you personally,
[00:03:55] do you have other siblings? Tell us a bit about
[00:03:58] your life, yes. I have one more
[00:04:01] brother, who also lives in Mariloche,
[00:04:04] we are, well, besides being accompanied by my aunts' and uncles' family
[00:04:10] night that all your people will and his partner, we are well, as direct relatives, as children,
[00:04:12] and desperate because there's no
[00:04:15] news of him, and well, every day you think he's going to appear and they're going to
[00:04:19] find him that day, and something of his, right? As you
[00:04:23] said, the hiking poles or
[00:04:26] some belonging that could shed some light
[00:04:30] on what could have happened to him, because the most distressing thing is this, it's like nothing,
[00:04:34] he went up and then total disconnection, right, the uncertainty, the
[00:04:38] lack of knowledge of what could have happened to
[00:04:41] Raúl, yes, luckily we have, that is, there are a lot of
[00:04:45] people working and well, I always mention Mr.
[00:04:49] Parajón Hernán, who is the one helping us
[00:04:52] guys, team, what with this rescue organization issue, he's a very
[00:04:55] capable person in this, so
[00:04:58] well, I communicate a lot. And he also gives me
[00:05:01] some relief regarding
[00:05:05] the search, what is being done, and with hope, obviously, of always finding him
[00:05:09] alive, right? Did your dad ever leave you any
[00:05:12] message or any, or did he let you know,
[00:05:16] you know, what he would do if he were in a
[00:05:20] dangerous or lost situation, had you talked about the risks of the
[00:05:24] mountain? Uh, I don't know, something like that which
[00:05:28] now makes some sense to you.
[00:05:31] Uh, I mean, no, not in case something happened to him, but I do know
[00:05:34] that he is a person who studies the terrain where he goes to explore a lot, obviously
[00:05:40] moment when, uh, it happens right then and there and you have to
[00:05:44] resolve it at that instant, but I do know
[00:05:47] that, and that's also a bit why it gives us hope for my
[00:05:50] dad's life, beyond the number of days and well, this thing about food and water
[00:05:54] and the cold, above all, to also be a bit calm
[00:05:58] that he can appear alive because he is a person who
[00:06:01] can resolve in the instant that any problem might occur
[00:06:05] or anything at the moment in the mountains. You seem strong, Sushay, I don't know how
[00:06:09] you see it, I truly admire you a lot because
[00:06:13] I mean, you're going through this terrible
[00:06:16] situation that I don't know
[00:06:19] how you do it, you seem whole, you explain everything in an
[00:06:23] incredible way, I mean, you're a strong woman, you are
[00:06:25] strong. Are you hopeful?
[00:06:29] What's your perception? I know we've asked you that many times
[00:06:32] but no, fortunately I'm
[00:06:35] accompanied and well, I try to when I have these
[00:06:39] opportunities regarding media communication, to try to
[00:06:42] explain it as calmly as possible, but well, it's not that I'm totally
[00:06:46] whole, I also want to announce that
[00:06:50] besides this situation, I'm 4 months pregnant
[00:06:53] so something I saw in her that was
[00:06:57] special is that you also have to understand
[00:07:01] that you have to be strong for what
[00:07:17] investigators are also investigating is
[00:07:21] the Calaveras sector, which is following the river's course to
[00:07:25] the southwest, near El Indio.
[00:07:28] Yes, there's the hypothesis that maybe he
[00:07:31] tried to locate water, meaning the river, because that
[00:07:35] would be the most coherent thing
[00:07:38] if he could have moved in a good
[00:07:41] way without having a serious
[00:07:44] accident, besides knowing that descending
[00:07:47] is a bit easier than ascending,
[00:07:50] right, obviously, uh, also so that you keep in mind, the area where he's being
[00:07:54] searched for is an area uh, here it's called yunga, which has
[00:07:58] a lot of vegetation, so, uh, nothing,
[00:08:02] also, well, my concern is that here on rainy days,
[00:08:05] uh, that he's getting wet or cold or
[00:08:08] whatever, it's also desperate, but well, I also trust
[00:08:12] in my dad's knowledge and as a person that he could
[00:08:16] have figured out how to
[00:08:19] shelter himself in the best way until we can find him, Sushay,
[00:08:22] hopefully with all the strength in the world we
[00:08:26] wish you to soon know what happened to your
[00:08:29] dad so that whatever the outcome, it allows
[00:08:33] you to carry on with this, which is the happiest moment of your life,
[00:08:36] in the best possible way, accompanied, we send you a
[00:08:40] big greeting and you can count on us.
[00:08:43] Thank you very much and well, I hope the news continues to spread so that the
[00:08:47] search also continues and that this news
[00:08:50] about the search in his papers is noticed, of course,
[00:08:53] for us it's a priority, until next time, strength,
[00:08:56] thanks,
[00:08:58] goodbye. The year ends and the same
[00:09:02] question always comes up, where are we going to say goodbye? Let's see team, start thinking, but
[00:09:06] I have the answer, eh, in Caballito, in Negroni Terre
[00:09:09] 306, end-of-year farewells with your group, friends' dinner
[00:09:13] to pamper your entire team, birthdays, private
[00:11:10] the website www.floresce.com.r.
[00:12:59] Breaking news, 3 PM, 42 minutes,
[00:13:03] on the Crónica screen, all the information on
[00:13:07] unbeatable femicide and commotion for
[00:13:09] Nancy, the autopsy on the
[00:13:12] body began, Cristian has all the exclusive
[00:13:16] details, what was the criminal plan, what happened
[00:13:19] to Nancy, who were the participants, what
[00:13:23] will we be able to know from the
[00:13:25] autopsy? It will be known if
[00:13:29] there was sexual abuse with penetration, it will be
[00:13:32] known, uh, precisely, uh, well,
[00:13:35] if the body was moved, if the
[00:13:38] main scene is the place where it was found, if
[00:13:42] uh, it was clearly in another place and then they left it in that
[00:13:46] area, it will be possible to
[00:13:50] the nails if there was a type of DNA, that DNA
[00:13:54] will be able to be compared with the detainees to know
[00:13:56] if, out of the five detainees, there is a material
[00:13:59] author, no, if it is the person who, well,
[00:14:03] committed the act, it will also be possible to
[00:14:06] know, uh, regarding
[00:14:09] uh, the date of death, no,
[00:14:13] really, the date will not be able to be
[00:14:16] known much regarding the forensic reports, so the next
[00:14:20] hours are very important also, obviously, for the
[00:14:23] family so that they can
[00:14:25] remember that today at 6 PM in Corrientes Capital there will be
[00:14:29] a strong march by teachers and the population
[00:14:33] and in several places in Corrientes there will be different
[00:14:36] demonstrations, that's how it should be, that's
[00:14:40] how it should be because this case cannot be forgotten, it cannot go
[00:14:44] unpunished and we have to unmask
[00:14:46] when something in the state is not working
[00:14:50] because evidently no one cared about rural
[00:14:53] schools. They paid a 3-year salary for a destroyed
[00:14:57] school on private land, they change the person and send a woman
[00:15:01] alone to a field in the middle of nowhere and they don't
[00:15:04] pay any attention to her. She explains what she's
[00:15:07] experiencing, she warns, what do you have to do, go
[00:15:10] with drums and trumpets, do you have to bring an orchestra for them to listen to you? I find it
[00:15:13] very revealing,
[00:15:17] Alejandra, the daughter-in-law, said,
[00:15:20] we wanted to help Nancy to arrive in a
[00:15:24] more comfortable way, especially on rainy days, this was the
[00:15:28] case, this was the case and they didn't let them, but also Alejandra has
[00:15:31] a central piece of information when it comes to exposing all this, which is that she is also
[00:15:35] a teacher, so she knows how
[00:15:38] what it means to dedicate your life to teaching,
[00:15:42] so I think she could have been of great help to Nancy and they didn't
[00:15:45] allow her that option, neither to her nor to her son
[00:15:49] José, right? And also that they never allowed her to accompany her,
[00:15:52] that's very strange, very strange that they
[00:15:55] quote
[00:15:58] field, let's list them because there are many people
[00:16:01] 3 hours why did Nancy
[00:16:05] bother them, guys? Nancy said it, Nancy told
[00:16:09] them and today it takes on another relevance, that warning to the
[00:16:12] family, Nancy said they are watching me, that is,
[00:16:16] the family is very clear, it could be that
[00:16:19] after all this it makes us suspect that there was a
[00:16:23] sexual assault motivation, or perhaps that
[00:16:26] was a purpose, but Nancy
[00:16:29] was bothering someone, something Nancy could see,
[00:16:33] hear, know was something that was inconvenient for someone.
[00:16:38] The situation, of course, the situation was very comfortable when the director was a man,
[00:16:42] when the director didn't go, when he spent 3 years collecting his
[00:16:45] salary and someone received the money the state of the province sent for the
[00:16:49] maintenance of the school, when the children weren't educated because the children who
[00:16:53] were on that farm started to be
[00:16:56] Nancy's students, they didn't go to school before, it wasn't
[00:17:00] different either, something different team that we
[00:17:04] always have victims but we never have a
[00:17:06] cell phone, in this case Nancy's cell
[00:17:10] phone is there and that forensic analysis of that device will be very
[00:17:13] important, because there we will be able to know the connection
[00:17:17] she had with the five detainees, we will be able
[00:17:20] to know the messages, truly the
[00:17:23] cell phone is important because the previous director will not be called, the previous director must
[00:17:27] be called, if there was a threat to that phone, if they threatened
[00:17:30] Nancy, hopefully that a correct job
[00:17:34] is done, that a correct chain of custody is done for that.
[00:17:37] scene, meaning the backpack,
[00:17:39] device and that it can be opened, that's the only thing that makes me doubt, what
[00:17:43] you just said, if it's really as the family thinks
[00:17:47] and they really planted the
[00:17:53] the salsa beret, the cell phone,
[00:17:57] I mean, even if you take out the chip,
[00:18:00] answer, let's see if you have it
[00:18:04] the cloud, can you without a password
[00:18:07] identify everything that was there? Because I mean, if
[00:18:11] what and the content, no, do you understand what
[00:18:14] I'm asking? Can it be recovered, could it be recovered? We
[00:18:17] have Mauro, Mauro is not here from Corrientes, Mauro, welcome to
[00:18:21] Inbatibles by Crónica, Mauro has great information, he knows
[00:18:31] to officially have the result of this
[00:18:35] autopsy which started
[00:18:38] at 7 in the morning and whose preliminary results
[00:18:41] would already be in the possession of the forensic medical institute to provide to
[00:18:44] the family and the public prosecutor's office, but yes,
[00:18:48] it will take 12 days for the
[00:18:51] total result of the autopsy, but the preliminary one
[00:18:55] will be available today at 6 PM, but preliminarily,
[00:18:59] Mauro, will we be able to know if there is
[00:19:02] genetic evidence on Nancy's body that
[00:19:04] is relevant?
[00:19:07] to be able to put people inside or outside the result,
[00:19:11] femicide in Nancy's nails, in the
[00:19:15] paragenital area,
[00:19:18] in her scalp, we will be able to know if Nancy, for
[00:19:21] example, fought with her attackers, if she has
[00:19:24] excoriations as a result of having tried to defend herself, all this we will know.
[00:19:28] exactly, that will be known
[00:19:32] and besides that, the results of the phone crossings are already
[00:19:36] available. No, not only
[00:19:38] will the autopsy report
[00:19:42] be added, but also the result of the phone crossovers, today
[00:19:46] Dr. Brien said that
[00:19:50] if they were sure that the
[00:19:53] defendants had something to do with the strongest theory
[00:19:56] of the case, now they are completely sure, he didn't
[00:20:00] want to anticipate what's on the cell phones, but he says that the cell phones spoke
[00:20:04] and spoke with great certainty, but of course, imagine.
[00:20:07] Exactly.
[00:20:15] And also, you have to keep in mind that when it's not a crime planned much
[00:20:18] in advance and everyone agreeing, everyone is
[00:20:21] implicated by what they wrote, because if you're
[00:20:24] planning a crime, no one talks on a cell phone, etc., like, I don't know,
[00:20:28] the bank robbery is different from when it was all
[00:20:32] improvised, hey, you don't know what I did, let's go here, let's go
[00:20:35] there, it complicates things a lot. Yes, the prosecutor's office did very
[00:20:44] this sloppiness of throwing the body
[00:20:47] in the sun, no, there wasn't anything. It wasn't buried or
[00:20:51] anything, the bag a few meters away, the cell phone
[00:20:54] inside the bag, speaks of a discard out of
[00:20:58] desperation, not something very premeditated, so
[00:21:02] to that will be added that there are proofs, that will speak, the body will
[00:21:05] speak, the cell phone will speak and I think that by tomorrow this will
[00:21:09] change a lot because for tomorrow there was the
[00:21:12] testimony, the interrogation of Rosa, yes, but that
[00:21:16] interrogation was requested before this happened
[00:21:20] and before all these expert results, therefore I
[00:21:23] think there will be changes and as the doctor also anticipated,
[00:21:27] be careful with Bordón, be careful
[00:21:31] that the classification of the crime for Bordón is not changed,
[00:21:34] regarding Rosa and
[00:21:38] is there any idea
[00:21:42] that she might say something and try to distance herself from that
[00:21:45] responsibility that she now has with the role that has been assigned
[00:21:49] to her by the prosecutor's office, it's not that she was assigned it, she earned
[00:21:52] it herself, right? Yes, the theory, the presentation
[00:21:56] she has to do with presenting what would be her alibi,
[00:22:00] uh, talking about her, the famous award she
[00:22:03] received, yes, not only that but also her
[00:22:07] medical attention she received in the town of Sauce, the
[00:22:10] dance she supposedly attended,
[00:22:13] it's more of an interrogation to
[00:22:17] completely detach herself, but we have to...
[00:22:20] if she's really detached within the
[00:22:23] phone forensics something the doctor said
[00:22:26] today, is Rosa
[00:22:30] also within this association to commit the crime? Mauro, there's one
[00:22:33] thing that is, uh, let's say, the result of the experience of covering
[00:22:37] cases unfortunately like this fiscal's temperament was
[00:22:41] very clear, he learned after
[00:22:45] those who had nothing to do with it, who are the first
[00:22:48] laborers, he released them all, the others
[00:22:52] he kept detained,
[00:22:55] but but but the, and he also changed
[00:22:58] the crime he accused them of, the charge, but
[00:23:01] also today Nancy's daughter-in-law said, for me there are more people
[00:23:13] could be, I don't know if that many, but yes, in the
[00:23:16] case of Joaquín Leizamon, the brother.
[00:23:27] We'll have to see, of course, the one who is a witness today, we'll have to see if he was also part of the strategy and then ends up with some degree of participation in this,
[00:23:30] because if he gives details, there are things he
[00:23:34] knows, and he is
[00:23:37] and always has been under scrutiny that we all speculated he would be one of the
[00:23:41] first arrested, so far he enjoys freedom, which does not
[00:23:45] mean that his participation won't change.
[00:23:49] and end up on the list of defendants. Mauro, do you think Leizamon
[00:23:53] is the only person who is missing? Because
[00:23:56] today we were talking with the family, I tell you, and they
[00:24:00] say there's something much bigger behind all
[00:24:03] this, what do you think of that?
[00:24:06] And, so far, no, it's not just my opinion,
[00:24:10] but how the investigation is progressing, and
[00:24:13] I believe that today the forensic result of the
[00:24:16] body will be fundamental, because everything points
[00:24:19] to a crime. of perhaps an attempt or
[00:24:23] perhaps there was sexual abuse with a
[00:24:26] femicide and with the discarding of the body, up to that point not
[00:24:29] only did the doctor also say it well,
[00:24:33] the investigation is very focused on that, they talk about
[00:24:37] certain phone forensics that would also
[00:24:40] confirm something like this, but the official
[00:24:43] report we will have from 6 PM.
[00:24:47] to see if it existed, if that defense existed. If there was
[00:24:51] an attack, what modality and everything that is now
[00:24:54] transpired becomes official information, it will also be very
[00:24:57] revealing if she was not
[00:25:00] sexually abused, there we could be
[00:25:03] facing a twist in the hypothesis of the
[00:25:07] crystal, clear, clear, everything can change, yes,
[00:25:10] but it's not just the body,
[00:25:17] I don't rule out the cell phone.
[00:25:20] People who are detained speak because there are
[00:25:24] human humans compromised up to their hands
[00:25:28] that when the prosecutor comes and says I read all your
[00:25:31] cell phone conversations, do you have something to say, maybe the person says yes,
[00:25:35] I have everything to say now, don't forget also it's perpetual for the type of crime
[00:25:39] they are being accused of, it's perpetual, so perpetual
[00:25:42] and and sorry if someone can
[00:25:46] get away because really alone they will try
[00:25:49] to do it. pact of silence, who will want to go to prison one day and
[00:25:52] who is representing these people,
[00:25:56] they are all with representatives, Mauro can know this, eh,
[00:26:00] official or private, let's see? the only one who
[00:26:04] has an official
[00:26:06] representative is Sandoval, the rest
[00:26:10] all have private
[00:26:21] be that they collected money from their families, sorry,
[00:26:25] these are expensive lawyers, they are expensive, yes, they are
[00:26:28] lawyers, they are good, they are good lawyers, eh
[00:26:32] lawyers. They told him not to say anything and stay seated there because I don't see
[00:26:35] that, let's see, they are accused until the accusations are
[00:26:38] serious, they didn't say anything, so far they told him: look, don't
[00:26:47] body, one thing is a pact of silence when the
[00:26:50] speculation is never found and today the psychological impact
[00:26:54] that there's a body, the fear that they will have of the results of the expert reports,
[00:26:57] surely someone and the other topic, Mauro, which is that of
[00:27:01] Bordón, that of the pawn. that I say is the one who has the
[00:27:04] representative who surprised at the beginning, I mean, his lawyer is a prestigious lawyer,
[00:27:10] his brother in prison also, let's say it, but I mean, eh and
[00:27:13] finally he is one of those who said, at least as far as
[00:27:16] we know, a part of the truth, no, well,
[00:27:20] today it is proven that what he said is true because the whole theory
[00:27:24] of the case is that several committed the murder
[00:27:28] of Nancy, something that he said and remains
[00:27:30] detained.
[00:27:37] do you think, Mauro, about the scene now that we know the video well,
[00:27:41] you surely had access before, what
[00:27:44] does this video tell you regarding where
[00:27:48] Nancy was supposedly discarded, if it is
[00:27:51] a difficult place and that it is better now
[00:27:55] because a little water was stagnant, it is a
[00:27:58] very difficult access place, undoubtedly a place
[00:28:02] that only a local could
[00:28:05] be, but I insist on the way the body was in the
[00:28:09] place, it has to do with someone
[00:28:12] depositing it, someone I insist that perhaps the only way on horseback
[00:28:16] is to go on horseback and throw the body, throw the
[00:28:20] bag eh and and throw the boots that are also
[00:28:24] there, the boots too,
[00:28:27] the bag thing is not understood, do you understand something? The bag thing is
[00:28:31] inexplicable. They discard a body, they grab the bag, they throw it next to it, not a
[00:28:35] body, yes, which they already did quite badly, so it's a message
[00:28:38] for someone, exactly, why not, sorry, I'll
[00:28:42] give you the floor, Mauro, why didn't they keep the bag, you give me the bag,
[00:28:46] I put it in a trash can, I burn it, when it's ash
[00:28:50] I throw it again, I burn it again, then I have a barbecue on top and nothing
[00:28:53] ever appears, the bag is the easiest thing to discard in the world, no,
[00:28:57] I'm not talking about a hydraulic
[00:29:00] shovel, a tractor with a hydraulic shovel, I'm talking about a
[00:29:03] bag that is flammable, how are they going to
[00:29:06] leave it thrown next to the body, that's the way to hide the body,
[00:29:10] hide the bag, let's see what you think and
[00:29:14] also, just as they
[00:29:20] little things inside, why not think that they want
[00:29:23] us to think that Nancy got lost, that Nancy was walking around there and that she
[00:29:27] had some accident that led to her death, so there is her bag,
[00:29:31] her boot, her cell phone. The bag is perfectly placed there,
[00:29:35] suppose it had been to stage the scene of a woman who
[00:29:38] had an accident, perfect, no, no, the bag was not there,
[00:29:41] tell me how the bag was, the bag was
[00:29:45] also thrown, yes, also thrown, the bag has handles,
[00:29:49] right? Yes, yes, that was already almost face
[00:29:51] down, it was not
[00:29:52] deposited,
[00:29:55] it was thrown for Mauro, listen to me, wind,
[00:29:59] rain, eh, an animal, no,
[00:30:02] let's see, the bag, but the bag is not even stained, it doesn't have
[00:30:06] mud, tall grass, but wait, tall grass and what does it have to
[00:30:09] do with it, why do you clarify in a tall grass area, that not all
[00:30:12] that accesses, no, the tall grass, the tall grass is there, you have
[00:30:16] the whole swamp, yes, the swamp salt and it is within a
[00:30:20] tall grass area, that is, what do I want to tell you with this, that being
[00:30:24] there and with the rains it is difficult for it to have
[00:30:27] mud, but it is damaged by time,
[00:30:30] anyway, that will all be known now,
[00:30:33] eh, what was found, how it was found, but it's strange, it's
[00:30:36] very strange and that the phone is there is even stranger, it speaks
[00:30:40] of a mental precariousness, as you well
[00:30:43] say.