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[00:00:00] crossing Ribadavia and what the movement is like here in Liniers, why? Because
[00:00:03] we are at the time to return home, as it is called
[00:00:08] about several objectives with socially, rush hour where there are many buses, there are many
[00:00:10] people even who wait according to the lines and routes
[00:00:14] and sometimes the annoyance and now when they find out that there might
[00:00:19] my colleagues, that is, the corruption is from be a strike in the
[00:00:20] Olmos prison, why? Because from inside coming hours, eh, that discomfort will increase even
[00:00:23] more because they already recognize that they don't travel in a certain way, look,
[00:00:27] here is one of the lines 185
[00:00:30] it's hard to catch it on time and form because sometimes it takes a long time to
[00:00:33] arrive at the stop and to leave at the time that the users
[00:00:37] want, yes, let's see, we're getting closer, we're going, people are running, we're
[00:00:41] asking the guys who are in the line, excuse me for bothering
[00:00:44] you, good afternoon, do you know that there could be a bus strike in the
[00:00:48] coming hours or days? Eh, no, I wasn't aware, you're not
[00:00:51] aware, no, because the drivers are demanding a salary increase, how does it
[00:00:54] affect you and what do you think about a strike? Personally,
[00:00:58] it doesn't affect me because I work from home,
[00:01:01] but I think it's perfect, it seems perfect,
[00:01:05] and if they have to demand because something is fair, that's
[00:01:09] fine, there it goes, the last thing I ask you is how do you
[00:01:11] travel?
[00:01:14] It depends on where, sometimes it's complicated, by
[00:01:17] bus relatively better, have a good trip
[00:01:21] home, thank you very much, there it goes, good, good, good, good, look at the
[00:01:24] amount of people who are walking, good
[00:01:27] man, quickly.
[00:01:40] I wouldn't have a way to travel no, impossible, what do you think that the
[00:01:43] drivers strike for a salary increase for a salary
[00:01:47] demand? And no, I don't think it's right, you don't think
[00:01:51] it's right, how do you travel currently on the
[00:01:55] bus? And so far
[00:01:56] clear that the leaders of the there we are, you wait
[00:02:00] quite a bit and not so much,
[00:02:03] no, well, let's re-launch the topic, gentlemen, let's
[00:02:08] it, when you have cell phones in re-launch the topic while people are returning home, there is a
[00:02:10] statement that was issued today by the drivers, especially of line
[00:02:14] there is corruption in the police, in 60, in which they announce that there will be
[00:02:17] strong measures, it must also be said that in December, mid-December, there
[00:02:21] is an election for UTA,
[00:02:22] tell you no, in prison we are going to evidently, everything that is done is to
[00:02:26] calls from Monday to Saturday, from 9 try to seek positioning regarding what happens with the salary, the salary is very, very delayed.
[00:02:30] Let's say a driver today is very, very poor, guys, we have to
[00:02:34] understand each other, there you have people in the line who will not be affected tomorrow or who
[00:02:38] will be affected in the coming hours and they tell you that the guys are right, we already
[00:02:42] realized that the debt problem also has to do with
[00:02:45] the salary, we already realized that not making it to the end of the month also has to do with
[00:02:49] the salary, it's new, it's not new, it's worse and worse, worse and
[00:02:54] four judges a month ago, remember, transport, and also what worse, yes, we are, hello, can you hear me? How are you? Yes,
[00:02:56] it sounds good, well, good evening, thank you for inviting me, as always, to
[00:03:00] share this space, but beyond what they are saying, I am listening to him
[00:03:04] equate, for example, salaries with
[00:03:07] the dollar, the dollar no, but the dollar has, wait, it measures reality, the dollar has
[00:03:11] had an inflation that you are not taking into account, it has depreciated in recent
[00:03:14] years, so it's not a
[00:03:16] fallacy either,
[00:03:21] we are on strike, guys, we are on strike, then I'll show you what the economy minister
[00:03:25] eats, I'll show you what the economy minister eats with papers because I think that's
[00:03:28] the key to what he says. Everything the
[00:03:30] prison. Well, but we're with government did, I'll show you what he owes Arturseneger, one of the
[00:03:34] main government officials, I'll show you everything, I'll show you everything, how
[00:03:38] the government works and what they do with your money, because they
[00:03:41] tell you now no, because your salary has to be enough, well, it's not
[00:03:45] enough for a reason and today we're going to show you, we'll be back with you, Resano,
[00:03:49] let's go back to the street,
[00:03:52] we continue, we are walking, we are moving here in the line of
[00:03:56] lines 136, 153.
[00:04:00] write it down, not my friend from which prison, if that helps and 163 that go to the west zone,
[00:04:03] eh, let's see, we're going to ask the people, I have a quick question,
[00:04:07] okay, thanks, we continue, can I ask you a quick
[00:04:10] question, do you know that there could be a bus strike in the coming hours or days
[00:04:14] because the drivers are demanding a salary increase? No, honestly, I didn't know anything,
[00:04:18] but it seems fair, yes, yes, totally, they are underpaid,
[00:04:21] they work under a lot of pressure, but it's more than a fair
[00:04:24] demand, does it affect you? And yes, eh, but I see, I see the
[00:04:28] way, I agree.
[00:05:03] Crónica's exclusive, a little while ago we told
[00:05:05] you,
[00:05:10] strike by bus drivers. in
[00:05:12] increase
[00:05:16] tomorrow bus strike,
[00:05:19] if you're going to work tomorrow, if you're going to work tomorrow, you have to take
[00:05:22] this into account with caution, there's the bus
[00:05:25] queue, the guys, these are the queues seen in the morning
[00:05:29] during peak hours, obviously, but well, inform
[00:05:32] your relative or be informed that tomorrow you may
[00:05:35] have problems with the bus, Mónica, this was expected, wasn't it?
[00:05:39] Yes, I say the other thing we have to pay attention to.
[00:06:02] what is happening, how they are living, it is an unhealthy job, as she just said, what a bus driver or a train
[00:06:05] engineer experiences, very few professions are experiencing it, do you think the police did not
[00:06:08] want to do this too, do you think that
[00:06:12] yes. We have said it here, how many times have I said it, how many times have I said it, what happens is that
[00:06:16] the police cannot do anything, they are prohibited from unionizing, but beyond that,
[00:06:19] let's talk about what happens with drivers and with transporters in general, people
[00:06:23] who have a job that demands a lot
[00:06:26] physically because it breaks them, it destroys them,
[00:06:29] psychologically what they experience, because many
[00:06:32] accidents happen, they don't recover well, many people end up on medication due to these situations
[00:06:36] they have to live, in fact I have known people who have been fired after having a traffic
[00:06:40] accident, the company dismisses them.
[00:06:43] On top of that, they are left without a job, without their
[00:06:46] license, they cannot do any other activity related to
[00:06:50] transportation, so you have to see the global context of what bus
[00:06:53] drivers experience, it has happened with the forces, this demand has happened with the
[00:06:57] security forces, with doctors also now it happens with drivers asking for a
[00:07:01] salary that seems exorbitant but it really isn't, we are a
[00:07:04] very impoverished country, I think you also find it exorbitant, that's why no, for me
[00:07:08] no, no, no, the demand he says is three times more,
[00:07:11] brother, what happens is that... we are brutally impoverished so that three million seems like a
[00:07:15] fortune, honestly, three times less they don't want three times more, that's why
[00:07:18] exactly, so, so sorry, you spoke of a social climate
[00:07:22] issue too and this happens, what you said, what are the ministries eating? Because this was the
[00:07:26] government that supposedly came to end the caste
[00:07:29] eating, you know how well the ministry is eating, that's why then the driver who is
[00:07:32] working all day for a minimum wage sees what they are eating in the ministry, sees that
[00:07:36] they didn't finish anything with the caste, that they continue to fill their pockets and they say, "man, for me
[00:07:40] in photos we are all workers."
[00:07:46] He says, "we are tired, we already gave them too much time to improve
[00:07:50] our salary and working conditions, everything is going to rot," verbatim, that's what
[00:07:53] the drivers tell you, everything is going to rot. I want to add a piece of information, a
[00:07:56] piece of information in the transport budget because we railway workers are also part of the
[00:08:00] same budget item that is allocated for salaries in
[00:08:05] is being agreed upon was given because we were given a 3.73%
[00:08:09] increase and it is agreed that until March of next year there will
[00:08:13] be no increase, until March there is none, so you have a semester without an increase and
[00:08:17] you have to get through the end of the year which you always know has devaluation, which you always know
[00:08:21] has a seasonal increase, etcetera, so actually what is
[00:08:24] being done is throwing gasoline on the fire and I hope they strike because we have to see if
[00:08:28] there is mandatory conciliation or not and that this really helps to see if we can, you want them to strike, you
[00:08:32] want the drivers to no, yes, if a union has to go out and hit
[00:08:35] the government hard to say, well, let's go out with them,
[00:08:39] we have to do what the CGT doesn't want to do, which is to unite. which is a bit what the
[00:08:43] lady was saying, all unions have this problem, no one is earning, why don't you on the
[00:08:47] trains, why don't the train workers, we who have it, it is like that,
[00:08:50] we strike, I say, they don't want to, yes, we have to do a general strike
[00:08:54] because when you do only one line then everything comes to you, they apply to you, so if they are not going to
[00:08:58] defend you, what do they apply when you strike on the line, you can have dismissals,
[00:09:01] suspensions, sanctions, you have to have backing, you have to strike and know
[00:09:05] then when on the other side they slap you with what you are going to
[00:09:08] defend yourself with, so well, when you are like if you are only one factory, if all
[00:09:11] the factories make a union, the trains are the same, one thing is one train
[00:09:15] asking for an increase in a collective bargaining agreement that is for all trains and another thing is
[00:09:19] all trains stopped, if transport stops, we all have to stop and that's it,
[00:09:22] that is, to stop the country, transport
[00:09:25] absolutely paralyzes everything, totally, but now you see how the discussion
[00:09:29] is polarized, it seems that if you are on one side you say one thing you are a libertarian and if not you are
[00:09:32] a Kirchnerite, when it is not like that, it is common sense, besides, you recognize the street a bit
[00:09:36] and it is not only happening to bus drivers, it is happening to everyone,
[00:09:40] colleagues who have many years and profession are telling me
[00:09:44] that I am not getting work, very recognized criminal lawyers are not getting
[00:09:48] work, lawyers are not getting work, people are even resorting to public defenders, for example, just so you have an idea, that is,
[00:09:51] all of Argentina is going through a very
[00:09:55] complex social situation, the government is now it has nothing to do with that, you are already
[00:09:58] informed, we have a breaking news, we go to prison.
[00:10:02] dale.
[00:10:05] dale.
[00:10:17] Prisoners posing as
[00:10:18] police,
[00:10:22] this is how they scam you from prison.
[00:10:27] Prisoners from the cell block continue to steal, defraud, do
[00:10:30] harm,
[00:10:33] live chronicle from Olmos prison, let's go with
[00:10:36] Cristian first, let's see in Olmos prison what happened, Lucas, in the prison, what is
[00:10:40] happening, let's go, exactly, let's see, they did a search inside one of them,
[00:10:45] the images we are observing, from there they called you, they extorted you and they
[00:10:49] asked for money, that is, they called you by
[00:10:52] phone.
[00:11:25] Let's say that prisoners having cell phones is a
[00:11:29] measure taken by the penitentiary service, I guess it will be the
[00:11:32] province of Buenos Aires that enables this type of business from
[00:11:36] prison, eh, if a business is enabled, clearly politics is
[00:11:39] biting into that, there is money that goes and it is a very big business, we are talking
[00:11:43] about millions of pesos that are moved from prison, so I say who is the
[00:11:47] son of a bitch who is collecting from politics, I'm not talking about the prisoner, the
[00:11:50] prisoner is a delinquent, what do you want him to do inside prison, if he is not given an education, the
[00:11:54] guy... will continue to offend, now who, who is the one who is
[00:11:58] biting from the province the money that these guys are
[00:12:01] making from prison, to people who even have debts, it's
[00:12:05] incredible what you're going to hear in a bit, I'm going live with Cristian, Cristian, how
[00:12:08] are we, everything good, good evening, Tomás, this is a
[00:12:12] scandal, this is a scandal, while you
[00:12:16] wake up early, while a retiree counts coins to make it to the end of the
[00:12:20] month, inside a Buenos Aires prison
[00:12:23] there are prisoners who... according to justice had
[00:12:27] their own office, their own call center, that's
[00:12:31] right, ladies and gentlemen, an office of
[00:12:33] crime inside Olmos prison, almost
[00:12:37] 20,000 calls from a cell phone, 11
[00:12:40] telephone chips, eight cell phones
[00:12:43] seized, and you know what's the most incredible thing, that they had
[00:12:47] office hours, they made
[00:12:51] in the morning to 5 in the afternoon, but they didn't sell insurance, they offered
[00:12:55] loans, they called retirees to
[00:12:58] scam them, that's right, guys, in this place we are
[00:13:02] talking about that they arrested a person, a
[00:13:04] very well-known criminal, a
[00:13:07] criminal who has to serve a 30-year
[00:13:10] sentence for homicide, we are talking about a
[00:13:14] subject named Hugo
[00:13:17] Miguel, alias "the gypsy," who was the person
[00:13:20] arrested, who posed as Assistant Commissioner
[00:13:23] Gutiérrez.
[00:13:25] one second, we're going to listen to this guy, does that seem okay? Let's go.
[00:13:28] We started listening to the audios, the audios
[00:13:30] we listened to
[00:13:33] Hello, good afternoon, who's speaking?
[00:13:36] Assistant Commissioner Gutiérrez from first session, Mrs.
[00:13:40] Mónica.
[00:13:43] I'm not Mónica, I'm Sandra. Sandra, no,
[00:13:46] Mrs. Mónica who was run over by her
[00:13:49] brother.
[00:13:51] Oh, wait a moment, I'm going to write it down.
[00:14:25] it's true, but a commissioner was asking for money, supposedly, he's not one of the
[00:14:28] detainees, the detainee who pretends to be Assistant Commissioner González,
[00:14:32] clear, but the Assistant Commissioner supposedly asked for money from a woman
[00:14:36] why would a commissioner ask you for money? They take advantage
[00:14:39] of elderly, humble people, who are perhaps not very educated, who don't know what
[00:14:43] the instructions are for you to give a bail through
[00:14:47] a transfer to an assistant commissioner, it's crazy.
[00:14:49] While the fake assistant commissioner talks to the
[00:14:53] person, what he does is extract information from you.
[00:15:04] Yes, yes, yes, it's me, go ahead, listen to what they are asking you, look,
[00:15:06] they are
[00:15:11] the audios that we are going to listen to, well, we already listened, we already listened to the audios, we are with Cristian, Cristian, go ahead, we
[00:15:15] listen to you, let's go, let's go with you, good, good, guys,
[00:15:19] we are working on the spot, let's remember that several searches were carried out here
[00:15:23] with Rolo, we are at the door. precisely of the
[00:15:26] penitentiary service, look, we are zooming in and further up
[00:15:29] we can see, eh, there in the windows in the distance,
[00:15:33] eh, there to the right it would be, behind, eh,
[00:15:36] there precisely in those windows, from there we see activity, we see
[00:15:39] movement, apparently it could be the time, let's remember that here there are
[00:15:43] many pavilions, it is a very large unit, it covers almost
[00:15:46] the entire, well, almost all the block, eh, the
[00:15:49] roundabout and you have several patios with different
[00:15:53] exit times, we see movement, it could be a recreational moment
[00:15:57] for some part of the pavilion, we are talking about that here are the most
[00:16:01] dangerous criminals of the province of
[00:16:03] Buenos Aires, or part of the most dangerous criminals of the province.
[00:16:19] What is the reason why a dangerous criminal has a cell phone if he doesn't
[00:16:23] work for politics? I
[00:16:26] say, let's see, you have a prison working for the security
[00:16:29] fund of the governor of the province of Buenos Aires, it's a question I
[00:16:33] ask myself, it's not a prison,
[00:16:38] that is, they are three prisons all working for a call center,
[00:16:42] how much money do these guys collect? Millions, sorry, messages are already
[00:16:46] arriving telling us that yesterday they called my mom's house saying that my brother had
[00:16:50] run over a pregnant woman, he pretended to be
[00:16:53] the commissioner, the same thing, and he said that we had to pay a bond for him to be
[00:16:56] released, by the way, I didn't believe him and they hung up, it's the
[00:16:59] same, exactly the audios that we are listening to, that we are going to listen to, are
[00:17:02] carbon copies, how much money did they take from them? More or less it says how much money they
[00:17:06] take from the audios that we had seen that Chipinti
[00:17:09] passed us, around 3 million pesos they asked for per
[00:17:13] person, per woman, yes, there is
[00:17:16] a woman who ends up saying wait, I'm going to see if I can get money
[00:17:20] because today I bought my medication and I ran out of money, I did studies, she
[00:17:24] says, and I spent everything on that, and she says wait, I'll ask Carmela, as if
[00:17:27] she starts asking relatives and you already talked to him and a not
[00:17:31] minor detail is that the person who calls first says I am his commissioner, then he says I'll
[00:17:35] pass you to your son and the son's voice is yelling and
[00:17:38] crying so that mom can't recognize him, one thing I want to tell you, when there is a narco in your neighborhood
[00:17:42] it's because politics enables
[00:17:45] prison it's because politics is enabling it, these are not human rights
[00:17:49] guys, these are not human rights, human rights are what are being violated against the woman who cannot
[00:17:53] buy medication and who has to pay a guy, a son of a bitch who
[00:17:56] is in prison committing crimes because those who
[00:18:00] rehabilitate them, well, it's not happening, guys, unfortunately it's not
[00:18:03] happening, that they give them courses through Wikipedia on their cell phone.
[00:18:37] I can catch them behind the camera, I'll catch them behind the camera only, don't focus on them, don't focus
[00:18:41] on them, behind the camera only, listen to me, dear, eh, the name doesn't matter,
[00:18:45] let's call him Juan, listen, what's the story here,
[00:18:48] finally, what can you tell us, what have you found out? And no,
[00:18:52] many things happen here, eh, I have several
[00:18:55] clients who work here and they tell me many very ugly stories that
[00:18:59] happen here, but nothing, yes, eh, I don't
[00:19:02] know much about what's inside, I've never been inside, eh, but yes,
[00:19:06] I have several acquaintances who entered there, work there, they tell me many
[00:19:09] things, what have they told you like that, what kind of place do you
[00:19:13] find inside, obviously it's a prison, there are about 2600 prisoners,
[00:19:17] I think there are even more, no, there are
[00:19:20] drugs, deaths, everything, I have a colleague who recently
[00:19:24] entered because he is in the service and he told me that
[00:19:27] there is also a lot of, how do you say the word,
[00:19:31] trafficking, well,
[00:19:33] eh, trafficking.
[00:19:36] not beyond the trafficking type,
[00:19:39] a lot of corruption
[00:19:43] that there is one of the pavilions that is one of the most luxurious pavilions that literally
[00:19:46] there are a bunch of luxury items
[00:19:50] like that and give me a second Cristian, give me a second, give me a second, Lucas,
[00:19:53] describe the audios, the audios in which the guys extort
[00:19:57] whom, who are the victims and how much money can they get from
[00:20:01] victims? They can get a lot of money, even millions, look what I'm telling you, when I talk about
[00:20:05] millions, it can be 3 million, 4 million. It's what the
[00:20:08] victim has for each victim and there are three prisons that are working on that, it's not just one
[00:20:11] victim per day, there can be 10, 15, 20 victims
[00:20:15] per day, why do these guys have cell phones, no? Because justice allowed it, it
[00:20:19] allowed it during the pandemic, it continues,
[00:20:22] that's the big, that is, during the pandemic they facilitated them, of course, so that they wouldn't
[00:20:26] be alone, besides they released a couple of prisons of
[00:20:30] incautated, not of incautated, it's a call
[00:20:32] center, justice allows it because a politician allows
[00:20:35] it, because of course. A politician tells you here I don't want cell phones and
[00:20:39] he comes out with a campaign, the
[00:20:41] police, because this is what he does and those who command the
[00:20:45] police, the politicians, don't know it, because it's not just the politicians, it's also the corruption of the
[00:20:49] police themselves. I'll just tell you an anecdote, I was in a Didi
[00:20:52] and the guy who was driving worked in a prison, Marcos Paz,
[00:20:56] talking, telling, I say what's the most dangerous thing you have in
[00:21:00] your job, my colleagues, that is, the
[00:21:03] colleagues of the service who are saying someone is doing it because they don't have enough money,
[00:21:09] the police, that is, I'm not going to dissociate the responsibilities of politicians,
[00:21:12] etcetera, etcetera, now here the corruption in the
[00:21:16] police exists strongly, I'm going to tell you one thing.
[00:21:20] I understand what you're saying, but you can control that corruption of your
[00:21:23] penitentiary service employee, how do you control it? With a simple measure, you put
[00:21:27] jammers in the prison and
[00:21:30] you only lift the jammer 15 minutes a day when they have to
[00:21:34] communicate with their family and that's it with some numbers the
[00:21:37] family, you are enabling, guys, for them to collect money and all that money goes
[00:21:41] to a place, no, if justice is
[00:21:44] enabling it, if
[00:21:47] justice is enabling it, it's not only the police who are stealing
[00:21:50] from there, it's politics, the judicial corporation, now I
[00:21:54] tell you, this transcends any ideology and political party, they get their act together to do it well as I think
[00:21:57] they did in Chubut, they unanimously removed this garbage, eh, all the political
[00:22:01] parties, unanimously removed this garbage, go ahead, Juli, let's go, here a person who was there writes to us,
[00:22:05] he says I was detained for three years and 10 months, the prison chiefs take the
[00:22:09] money, I lived it personally, many
[00:22:12] corrupt people are in the service, that is, the prison chief takes the
[00:22:15] money, no, the prison chief does not take the money, the
[00:22:19] prison chief takes it.
[00:22:22] Clearly, everyone bites, let's say, everyone bites, but why do I say, let's not
[00:22:25] only focus on politicians, because it seems that here after that the
[00:22:29] uniformed ones come and they are all saints, also military,
[00:22:32] police are also all crossed what did you just
[00:22:35] say? You just said that the penitentiary service was working for Didi, that is,
[00:22:39] they are starving, but I say the leadership, you don't
[00:22:42] have all police officers are corrupt, now it's
[00:22:46] police as well as the military are corrupt, that's how it is, they let them
[00:22:50] do that, who puts them there, no, no, but who lets them do
[00:22:53] that, I'm not saying that politics is not corrupt, what I'm saying is that let's not say that only
[00:22:57] politicians are corrupt, because that allows them to make it seem like the security
[00:23:01] forces are all saints, so
[00:23:04] the in the politicians, there is also in the armies, go ahead, we are
[00:23:08] with you, Cristian, we listen to you, come on,
[00:23:11] good, good, guys, we are seeing the movement, eh, look, observe here the shot Rolo is
[00:23:15] giving me, there is movement upstairs then in the pavilion and here talking with the
[00:23:19] guys, look, there is movement then, eh, yes, yes, they
[00:23:22] are looking out, eh, it seems they are watching Crónica, guys, eh, it seems they are watching Crónica, we know the
[00:23:26] inmates are seen with orange
[00:23:29] clothes, yes, yes, yes, of course, the call center is insulting you, it's the call center,
[00:23:33] guys, they are insulting
[00:23:35] you. Look, what, what are they telling you, Cristian? I'm
[00:23:39] trying to listen, eh, look, there the guys are nervous,
[00:23:43] look, they look out the window, they look out the window,
[00:23:46] let's see, let's see what they say,
[00:23:49] let's see, I can't quite make out what they're saying because here you talk
[00:23:52] to people and they tell you on the weekend you hear music, another
[00:23:56] day
[00:24:00] you hear screams, music at full volume at any
[00:24:03] time, shots, everything, also a bunch of things that happen there,
[00:24:07] shots, no, no shots, no shots,
[00:24:11] no shots, no shots, but
[00:24:13] clearly no, it could be outside itself, it says it's heard,
[00:24:17] it could be that they come from another part, not from the
[00:24:20] the issue of scams inside the prison, how they
[00:24:24] manage cell phones to scam people who, well, are obviously the
[00:24:27] victims, we already received an audio, we received an audio from a
[00:24:31] person who was scammed from a prison because it says it's a
[00:24:35] call from the bank supposedly, no, on a Saturday
[00:24:38] morning they send her, they make a call telling her that they are
[00:24:42] from a bank, from a card, they also do Mercado Pago and the lady sends us
[00:24:46] the audio, so now I'm going to send it to production to see if we can listen to it, great.
[00:24:50] Well, do you want me to, do you want me to play it here?
[00:24:52] Because
[00:24:57] I need to give you the
[00:25:01] customer service
[00:25:03] number.
[00:25:05] She takes a minute to
[00:25:16] I don't have a visa with my job, please, to the client.
[00:25:31] the lights have just gone out. The lights on the first floor have just gone out. Christian, you speak, we
[00:25:35] listen to you, tell us what's happening, the lights are out, guys, eh, yes, the lights have just
[00:25:39] gone out so we are observing the movement that is
[00:25:42] upstairs in the pavilion, precisely we are
[00:25:45] observing what is happening in this framework of an investigation with
[00:25:49] positive results. Arrest warrants for detention, apprehension, we are
[00:25:53] talking about an illicit association for fraud and
[00:25:56] linkage with attempted robbery, home invasion and
[00:26:00] "uncle's stories", we are talking about it extending here in this prison
[00:26:04] where we are in Mar de Plata, in Batán, as Lucas
[00:26:07] mentioned before, we are talking
[00:26:10] the main one arrested, Miguel Hugo Franco,
[00:26:14] 62 years old, alias, sub-commissioner
[00:26:17] Gutiérrez or better known as the gypsy here inside who is
[00:26:20] housed in this unit where we are, afterwards, eh, they
[00:26:24] found eight cell phones
[00:26:28] eh two SIM card trays for companies,
[00:26:31] well.
[00:26:39] It's not that they found them, someone enabled them and then when they decided to cut them off
[00:26:43] already because the information had spread too much, they cut
[00:26:46] it off and supposedly they found that, see the funny part
[00:26:50] of all this, look, the DDI of Marapilata starts an
[00:26:53] investigation, yes, when the victims start to testify, all
[00:26:57] the accounts coincided, they start to investigate where those calls were coming from, there are 50 calls
[00:27:01] daily that the police have registered. Oh, look when you start following those
[00:27:04] calls, they say, don't worry, we're going to fill out when they ask for the
[00:27:07] address, the addresses where they were in the prison, in the prison itself,
[00:27:11] in the prison itself, 50 calls per day, 50 calls daily per
[00:27:15] prison, anyway, I'm going to tell you something that will interest you. This scam started in the year
[00:27:19] 2000, eh, it's very old, it's just that
[00:27:22] now it became popular because now we have many prisons and they have more
[00:27:26] access. In 2000, we had calls from
[00:27:28] prisons and there are already records of fraud at a judicial level,
[00:27:36] in virtual kidnappings, exactly, from public telephones in prisons, but they were virtual
[00:27:39] kidnappings, that is, also for the office phone of
[00:27:43] the penitentiary
[00:27:43] service.
[00:27:48] There are people indebted for this. No, no,
[00:27:51] yes, yes, you know what they did, wait, I'll take out a Mercado Pago, wait, I'll ask for
[00:27:55] a loan and they end up asking for loans to be able to pay, well, let's start
[00:27:59] listening to the audios, they already turned off the lights in the prison, I really
[00:28:02] don't know if we are in a position to know, then you tell us, Christian, what the
[00:28:06] guys are telling you, things are getting a bit thick, but let's listen to the
[00:28:09] audio, let's show it, go ahead, go ahead, there
[00:28:12] we go back, we listen to audio, go ahead, madam, you are
[00:28:16] the eh
[00:28:19] Gutiérrez commissioner
[00:28:23] sub-commissioner, no madam commissioner sub commissioner sub
[00:28:27] sub-commissioner, sorry no, please
[00:28:30] Gutiérrez well, can you tell me the
[00:28:33] situation because I'm just finding out about all this and
[00:28:36] no, I already told you, I don't know if your brother
[00:28:40] Diego told you that your brother
[00:28:44] had an accident, he ran over a pregnant woman,
[00:28:47] well, there's the second audio, let's keep listening, eh, how they
[00:28:51] operate from prison so that you understand, they caught
[00:28:56] they caught the judges and made them put up money, you understand, that is,
[00:29:00] if you catch judges, imagine if they won't catch you.
[00:29:23] Let's do the math together, let's do the math, it said there were 50 calls, let's say
[00:29:27] that out of those 50 calls 10 go well for you, let's take the
[00:29:31] minimum, 10 go well for you. At 3 million pesos, which you said were the scams they
[00:29:35] were doing, that's 30 million pesos per
[00:29:38] prison, if there are five prisons per day, that's
[00:29:41] 150 million pesos, you understand,
[00:29:44] daily, that is, we're talking daily, now
[00:29:47] let's be much less, let's put
[00:29:50] less 30 million per day, 30 million per day, 30
[00:29:54] million per day is almost 1 million pesos per month, million
[00:29:58] pesos per month, look if politics won't be there, do you think the head of the
[00:30:01] prison will do that? If politics isn't there, guys, come on guys, then
[00:30:05] they want to be president, an idea can come out of here, we can't send them an idea
[00:30:09] so that not even by chance do the
[00:30:12] legislators get one, so that someone proposes a little project to take
[00:30:16] cell phones out of
[00:30:16] prison.
[00:30:21] We make a solidarity payment here and they block your account, they load
[00:30:25] millions and millions and millions and nothing happens,
[00:30:29] well, let's keep listening to the audio, go ahead, that's how they scam.
[00:30:34] Good morning, Mrs. Beatriz,
[00:30:37] good morning, madam, sub-commissioner
[00:30:39] Gutiérrez
[00:30:41] third, what do you want, I
[00:30:45] nothing, madam, a relative of yours was in a traffic
[00:30:48] accident, what's her name, I'll pass you to her, madam
[00:30:52] I'll
[00:30:55] pass you to her, madam, clear, but the lady is
[00:30:58] clever.