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[00:01:32] >> THIS >> [MUSIC] >> IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM.
[00:01:35] >> A TOP OF THE MONDAY TO YOU, A BRAND NEW WEEK. A LOT TO TALK
[00:01:39] ABOUT TODAY. DONALD TRUMP REVIVES HERBERT HOOVER'S
[00:01:43] NIGHTMARE, AND CANADA IS FIGHTING BACK. MARC CARNEY IS NOT TAKING IT. I'LL TELL YOU
[00:01:46] ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
[00:01:49] ALSO, DEMOCRATS ERUPT AFTER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MEETS WITH JARED
[00:01:52] KUSHNER. WHAT'S UP WITH THIS? AND A CRAZY ALERT. NATALIE HARP
[00:01:55] DROPS A JANUARY 6th BOMB WITH
[00:01:59] 150. PLUS STOP THE STEAL POSTS.
[00:02:01] WHOA. IN THE SECOND HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM, CRAIG UNGER IS GOING TO
[00:02:05] DROP BY. HE'S WRITTEN THREE BOOKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND
[00:02:08] RUSSIA. THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP'S
[00:02:10] PATRIOT BAIT AND SWITCH. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT
[00:02:13] FASCINATING. ALSO, GREG ABBOTT
[00:02:16] IS ATTACKING AIRPORT FRESHWATER FOOT WASHING STATIONS AND
[00:02:19] DEMANDING A DOJ PROBE. OH MY GOD. WE'RE ACCOMMODATING
[00:02:22] MUSLIMS. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. RIGHT. AND ALSO MAGA ATTACKS
[00:02:26] KELLY MUSGRAVES AFTER SHE STANDS UP FOR DEPORTED FAMILIES. THE
[00:02:30] THE, THE ARTISTS, THE SINGER IN
[00:02:32] THE THIRD HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM,
[00:02:35] FORMER BBC AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ROLLING STONE AND ALL KINDS OF,
[00:02:37] YOU KNOW, REPORTER GREG POWELL IS ONE OF THE BEST REPORTERS OUT
[00:02:40] THERE. UH, EXPOSES THE TRICKS THAT COULD STEAL YOUR VOTE FROM
[00:02:44] VOTER PURGES TO NEW SUPPRESSION TACTICS, AND IS ROLLING OUT A
[00:02:48] NEW WEBSITE, SAVE YOUR VOTE.ORG,
[00:02:51] THAT REVEALS WHAT'S HAPPENING AND GIVES AMERICANS A WAY TO
[00:02:54] FIGHT BACK. AND THE GOOD NEWS ALERT, TEXAS DROPS A POLITICAL EARTHQUAKE AS CONSERVATIVES
[00:02:58] START VOTING DEMOCRAT. WHOA,
[00:03:01] THAT'S PRETTY WILD STUFF. BUT MY OP ED TODAY ARE MY OPENING
[00:03:05] RANT HERE. MY DAILY TAKE IS PUBLISHED OVER AT HARTMANN
[00:03:08] REPORT.COM, AND IT'S TITLED TRUMP REVIVES HERBERT HOOVER'S
[00:03:12] NIGHTMARE, AND CANADA FIGHTS
[00:03:13] BACK. AND, YOU KNOW, LATE FRIDAY
[00:03:17] NIGHT, THESE TRADE TALKS THAT WERE GOING ON BETWEEN CANADA AND
[00:03:19] THE UNITED STATES JUST BASICALLY
[00:03:22] COLLAPSED. AND, UH, MARK CARNEY,
[00:03:24] WHO WAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE BANK OF CANADA AND THE BANK
[00:03:28] OF ENGLAND, THIS GUY IS
[00:03:31] LITERALLY ONE OF THE WORLD'S TOP
[00:03:34] ECONOMISTS. UH, HE JUST
[00:03:35] BASICALLY SAID, I'M TIRED OF TRUMP BULLYING CANADA, BULLYING
[00:03:39] OUR COUNTRY. ACTUALLY, WHAT HE SAID WAS WE WERE ATTACKED WHEN HE WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHY DID
[00:03:43] YOU GUYS PULL OUT OF THE TRADE DEALS? HE SAYS, BECAUSE WE WERE ATTACKED. THOSE WERE HIS EXACT
[00:03:47] WORDS. UH, CANADIAN REPORTER
[00:03:49] DEAN BLUNDELL DOCUMENTS EXACTLY
[00:03:52] WHAT TRUMP WAS DEMANDING OF
[00:03:53] CANADA. WE WERE DEMANDING CONTROL OVER WHAT COUNTRIES
[00:03:57] CANADA TRADES WITH. WE WERE DEMANDING CONTROL OVER CANADA'S
[00:04:01] USE OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE. WE WERE DEMANDING CONTROL OVER
[00:04:03] CANADIAN MADE CARS. WE WERE
[00:04:06] DEMANDING CONTROL OVER WHAT GOODS THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT
[00:04:09] BUYS FOR ITS OWN USE, AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, AND WE WERE
[00:04:12] DEMANDING THE ABILITY TO REIMPOSE TARIFFS AGAINST CANADA.
[00:04:15] ANYTIME TRUMP GETS OFF AND JUST
[00:04:18] DECIDES TO DO IT. AND, YOU KNOW,
[00:04:19] AT MIDNIGHT, CARNEY SAID NO. AND
[00:04:22] SO, IN RETALIATION FOR CARNEY SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY
[00:04:26] THIS GAME, TRUMP IMPOSED A 50%
[00:04:29] TARIFF ON CANADIAN GOODS. NOW,
[00:04:32] THERE'S A CAVEAT TO THAT IN WASHINGTON, D.C.. OF COURSE, YOU
[00:04:36] KNOW, EVER SINCE, YOU KNOW, FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE
[00:04:39] SUPREME COURT SAID IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL FOR BUSINESSES
[00:04:42] AND BILLIONAIRES TO BUY
[00:04:44] POLITICIANS. D.C. HAS JUST
[00:04:47] BECOME INFESTED WITH LOBBYISTS WHO PASS OUT ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF
[00:04:51] MONEY. UM, AND SO THE, THE, THE
[00:04:55] INDUSTRIES OR THE GOODS FROM CANADA THAT ARE TYPICALLY
[00:04:58] IMPORTED FROM CANADA TO THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE STRONG
[00:05:02] LOBBYING FACTIONS IN D.C. WERE ALL EXCLUDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
[00:05:05] THE GOP WANTS THAT MONEY. SO WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH ARE THE
[00:05:09] SMALLER ONES, THE ONES EITHER WHERE THE LOBBYISTS ARE FINE WITH TARIFFS, YOU KNOW, LIKE
[00:05:13] CARS, OR THE ONES WHERE THE LOBBYISTS JUST DON'T CARE, YOU
[00:05:16] KNOW, LIKE, UH, PLYWOOD OR FURNITURE OR CLOTHING OR FISHING
[00:05:20] RODS OR SWIMMING POOLS OR HOCKEY
[00:05:22] STICKS. SO THOSE ARE NOT GOING
[00:05:24] TO BE TARIFFED BY TRUMP. AND
[00:05:28] THIS IS WILD. I MEAN, LAST YEAR,
[00:05:34] DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY WAS THE LAST YEAR OF BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY. I WAS TWO YEARS AGO, DONALD
[00:05:38] TRUMP SAID, WE HAVE A HE WAS GIVEN US HE WAS TALKING TO LOU
[00:05:41] DOBBS. HE SAYS, WE HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT'S SO FRAGILE. AND WHEN THERE'S A CRASH. AND I
[00:05:45] HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE DURING NEXT 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE HERBERT HOOVER. I
[00:05:48] KEEP IN MIND, THIS WAS WHEN BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT. HE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BE, I GUESS, THREE YEARS. HE SAID, I DON'T
[00:05:52] WANT TO BE. HERBERT HOOVER, THE ONE PRESIDENT. I JUST DON'T WANT
[00:05:55] TO BE IS HERBERT HOOVER. WELL,
[00:05:58] SAY HELLO TO DONALD HERBERT
[00:06:00] HOOVER. TRUMP, THE PROVISION UNDER WHICH TRUMP IS OPPOSING
[00:06:03] THESE, IMPOSING THESE 50%
[00:06:05] TARIFFS IS SMOOT-HAWLEY. NOW,
[00:06:07] MOST AMERICANS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SMOOT-HAWLEY IS. THEY JUST KNOW
[00:06:11] IT DOESN'T SOUND GOOD BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN WIDELY
[00:06:14] PANNED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND
[00:06:18] YEARS. AND, UH, BASICALLY
[00:06:21] SMOOT-HAWLEY. AND THAT'S WHY THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T REFER TO
[00:06:24] IT AS SMOOT-HAWLEY. THEY CALL IT
[00:06:26] THE 1935 OR THE 1930 TARIFF ACT,
[00:06:28] THE TARIFF ACT OF 1930. WHEN IT
[00:06:33] WAS PASSED THAT YEAR, CONGRESS PASSED IT. IT WAS A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS. THEY PASSED
[00:06:37] IT. HERBERT HOOVER WAS PRESIDENT
[00:06:38] IN 1930, AND 1028. TOP AMERICAN
[00:06:43] ECONOMISTS SIGNED A PUBLIC PETITION BEGGING HOOVER NOT TO NOT TO SIGN THIS THING. BUT
[00:06:47] HOOVER CAME TO HIS PARTY AND,
[00:06:50] AND, UH, THE FIRST NATION TO
[00:06:51] RETALIATE. IN 1930 WAS CANADA.
[00:06:56] THEY HIT 16 CATEGORIES OF AMERICAN GOODS THAT MADE UP 30%
[00:06:58] OF ALL OUR EXPORTS AS A RESULT
[00:07:00] OF SMOOT-HAWLEY, IN LARGE PART,
[00:07:03] TRADE AROUND THE WORLD COLLAPSED
[00:07:07] BY FULLY TWO THIRDS BETWEEN 1929 AND 1934, AND A THIRD OF AMERICA ENDED UP UNEMPLOYED. WE REFER TO
[00:07:11] THAT NOW AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT MOST OF HISTORY AS
[00:07:14] THE REPUBLICAN GREAT DEPRESSION.
[00:07:16] AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SUPREME
[00:07:19] COURT POINTED OUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UNDER THE
[00:07:22] CONSTITUTION, ONLY CONGRESS HAS TARIFF AUTHORITY, CAN CAN IMPOSE
[00:07:26] TARIFFS. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT. UM,
[00:07:29] MAYBE IT'S SECTION SEVEN. UH,
[00:07:33] THE, THE TRUMP PEOPLE STARTED
[00:07:34] LOOKING FOR TIMES IN THE PAST WHEN CONGRESS HAD GIVEN THE
[00:07:38] PRESIDENT TARIFF AUTHORITY, AND
[00:07:40] THE ONLY ONE THEY COULD FIND WAS SMOOT-HAWLEY. AND IT'S SOMETHING
[00:07:43] CALLED SECTION 338, SECTION 338.
[00:07:47] YOU KNOW, IF, IF NORMAL TARIFF WORK IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A HAMMER
[00:07:51] TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FORM A
[00:07:56] POLICY OR FIX TRADE DISPUTES. SECTION 338 IS A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
[00:07:59] IT SAYS THAT THE PRESIDENT, ON
[00:08:01] HIS OWN, NO CONGRESSIONAL
[00:08:04] FINDINGS, NO COMMITTEES OR, YOU
[00:08:06] KNOW, GROUPS WITHIN THE WHITE
[00:08:08] HOUSE OR EVEN AGENCIES WITHIN
[00:08:11] THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NOBODY EXCEPT THE THE PRESIDENT HAS TO
[00:08:14] DECLARE THAT A COUNTRY IS, QUOTE, DISCRIMINATING AGAINST
[00:08:16] THE UNITED STATES. AND 30 DAYS
[00:08:18] LATER, HE CAN IMPOSE 50%
[00:08:20] TARIFFS, AND HE CAN EVEN ORDER THEIR GOODS IN THE UNITED STATES
[00:08:23] TO BE SHIPPED BACK TO THE
[00:08:25] COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. THAT'S THE
[00:08:27] PROVISION THAT TRUMP IS USING.
[00:08:31] SECTION 338. AND THE WORD DISCRIMINATION IS NOT DEFINED IN
[00:08:34] THE LAW. SO IT BASICALLY NOW MEANS WHATEVER TRUMP WANTS IT TO
[00:08:38] MEAN. NOW NO PRESIDENT, SINCE
[00:08:43] HERBERT HOOVER HAS BEEN STUPID ENOUGH TO USE THIS. I MEAN, BACK
[00:08:46] IN 1935, FDR WAS PRESIDENT, AND
[00:08:50] HIS TARIFF COMMISSION, UH, FOUND THAT GERMANY AND AUSTRALIA WERE
[00:08:54] DISCRIMINATING, USING THAT WORD AGAINST AMERICAN GOODS. AND FDR
[00:08:56] WAS LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO
[00:08:59] INVOKE SECTION 338. UM, THERE WAS A RECORD IN THE STATE
[00:09:03] DEPARTMENT OF DISCUSSION USING IT AGAINST THE JAPANESE JUST
[00:09:06] BEFORE WORLD WAR TWO, WE DECIDED
[00:09:08] NOT TO. THERE WAS A 1949
[00:09:10] TELEGRAM FROM DEAN ACHESON SAYING, MAYBE WE SHOULD USE THIS
[00:09:14] AGAINST CHINA, BUT AGAIN, WE
[00:09:16] DIDN'T. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS,
[00:09:20] NOBODY IN GOVERNMENT HAS EVER THOUGHT TO USE THIS. NOW, LET'S
[00:09:24] BE CLEAR. I, YOU KNOW, I WROTE A BOOK, THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF
[00:09:27] NEOLIBERALISM HOW REAGANISM
[00:09:29] GUTTED AMERICA, AND, AND LAID
[00:09:33] OUT HOW ALEXANDER HAMILTON, IN
[00:09:35] HIS REPORT ON AMERICAN
[00:09:37] MANUFACTURERS IN 1790, LAID OUT
[00:09:39] FOR PRESIDENT WASHINGTON HOW TARIFFS SHOULD BE DONE. AND HE
[00:09:42] MADE IT VERY CLEAR TARIFFS NEED TO BE PASSED BY CONGRESS. THAT'S WHY IT'S THAT WAY IN
[00:09:46] THE CONSTITUTION, BECAUSE NO BUSINESS PERSON IS GOING TO
[00:09:50] BUILD A FACTORY BASED ON THE WHIM OF A PRESIDENT. THEY WANT
[00:09:53] TO KNOW THAT THAT TARIFF IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR 20 YEARS,
[00:09:55] SO THAT THEY CAN RECOVER THE COST OF BUILDING THEIR FACTORY
[00:09:59] AND HIRING PEOPLE AND MAKING
[00:10:00] MACHINERY AND THINGS. SO TARIFFS
[00:10:04] ARE GOOD THINGS, GENERALLY SPEAKING. BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS
[00:10:07] NOT ASKED CONGRESS TO IMPOSE TARIFFS ON ANYBODY, LIKE EVERY
[00:10:11] OTHER PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS. INSTEAD, HE'S IMPOSING THEM
[00:10:14] HIMSELF. AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, HE'S DOING IT TO GET STUFF FOR HIMSELF. YOU KNOW, HE THREW
[00:10:18] A TARIFF ON APPLE PRODUCTS. AND TIM, TIM COOK COMES TO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH A BIG BAR OF GOLD AND
[00:10:22] GIVES IT TO DONALD TRUMP. AND TRUMP SAYS, OKAY, NO MORE
[00:10:24] TARIFFS. HE THREW TARIFFS ON ON
[00:10:27] UAE. AND THEY COME TO AND THEY PUT $500 MILLION INTO HIS CRYPTO
[00:10:31] COMPANY, WHICH GOES STRAIGHT INTO DONALD'S POCKET, A HALF $1
[00:10:34] BILLION. AND HE GOES, OKAY, NO MORE TARIFFS ON THEM. IN FACT,
[00:10:37] WE'LL SELL YOU SOME NVIDIA CHIPS THAT WERE BANNED FROM
[00:10:40] SELLING YOU UNDER U.S. LAW BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MUTUAL TRADE
[00:10:44] AGREEMENT WITH CHINA, WHICH MEANS THESE CHIPS ARE GOING TO END UP IN CHINA, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. BUT HEY,
[00:10:47] WE'LL DO IT BECAUSE YOU GAVE MY
[00:10:49] FAMILY A HALF $1 BILLION. SO
[00:10:53] HERE WE ARE. WE'VE GOT THIS ABSOLUTE MESS. THE ASSOCIATED
[00:10:56] PRESS. YOU KNOW, LAYING IT OUT.
[00:10:59] UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A, AN
[00:11:03] ABSOLUTE MESS. NOW, HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE INTRODUCED A
[00:11:06] PIECE OF LEGISLATION CALLED THE REPEALING OUTDATED AND UNILATERAL TARIFF AUTHORITIES
[00:11:10] ACT, AND IT WOULD STRIP OUT
[00:11:12] SECTION 338 FROM OUR LAW. AND IF
[00:11:15] YOU'RE INCLINED TO THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, YOU KNOW,
[00:11:18] LET'S GO BACK TO ONLY CONGRESS
[00:11:20] BEING ABLE TO DECLARE TARIFFS.
[00:11:23] GIVE CONGRESS A CALL AT 2022243121. YOU'VE GOT A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE, AND YOU'VE GOT
[00:11:27] TWO SENATORS. LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE
[00:11:31] REPUBLICANS. IN 87, RONALD REAGAN GAVE A RADIO SPEECH
[00:11:35] TALKING ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS TARIFFS ARE AND HOW CAREFULLY THEY HAVE TO BE APPLIED, AND HOW
[00:11:38] ONLY CONGRESS SHOULD DO IT. WHEN
[00:11:42] DOUG FORD >> [MUSIC] >> UP IN CANADA TURNED THAT INTO
[00:11:44] AN AD, TRUMP GOT SO OFF, HE SLAPPED AN ADDITIONAL 10% TARIFF
[00:11:47] ON CANADA. REMEMBER, IT'S TIME
[00:11:50] TO ECHO RONALD REAGAN TO YOUR REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
[00:11:54] >> [MUSIC] >> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> 16 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR.
[00:11:58] BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF A HEAR ME?
[00:12:01] >> I DO. WHAT'S UP? RUBEN?
[00:12:03] >> OKAY, OKAY. DISCUSS TWO
[00:12:06] ISSUES OF THE GREAT THING THAT
[00:12:09] THE U.S. DID IRAN DURING WORLD
[00:12:12] WAR TWO. IRAN
[00:12:30] REFUSED, AND IT WAS BY THE FORCE OF THE U.S. THAT FORCED THEM TO
[00:12:34] LEAVE OUR TERRITORY, THE IRANIAN
[00:12:38] TERRITORY. TOTALITY OF IRAN. THE
[00:12:45] SECOND WAS
[00:13:01] THE BOOKS. >> AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WHEN MOSADDEGH WAS ELECTED, WHEN IRAN
[00:13:05] WAS ACTUALLY A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY, AND MOSADDEQ WAS
[00:13:09] ELECTED IN, WHAT WAS IT, 1944,
[00:13:12] HE, UH, HE SAID, THAT'S IT. WE'RE NATIONALIZING OUR OIL. 53
[00:13:15] WAS 53. THANK YOU. WELL, AND AND
[00:13:19] THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE OVERTHREW MOSSADEGH AND INSTALLED THE SHAH
[00:13:21] WAS IT WAS TO BENEFIT THE OIL
[00:13:24] COMPANIES
[00:13:35] >> HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
[00:13:37] DOLLARS, THE SAME AS MARSHALL
[00:13:51] THE HISTORY ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
[00:13:54] >> GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD,
[00:13:58] RUBEN. THAT'S WHY YOU CALLED,
[00:13:58] OR IS THERE A THERE FOR.
[00:14:04] >> AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF IRANIANS DON'T KNOW IT.
[00:14:08] >> YEAH. NO, YOU'RE IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. RUBEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, RICK IN
[00:14:11] HUNTINGTON BEACH, CALIFORNIA. RICK, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HEY, TOM. FIRST THING IS YOU
[00:14:15] START OUT WITH THE ISSUE IS
[00:14:19] ABOUT THE CANADIAN TRADE WAR.
[00:14:20] YEAH. IF I'VE DONE INTERNATIONAL TRADE FOR MUCH,
[00:14:24] MANY MORE YEARS THAN I'D LIKE TO
[00:14:27] ADMIT. UM, AND THE ONE THING IS
[00:14:29] WE ARE KICKING THEIR BUTTS A
[00:14:33] LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME, THE MERCY RULE WOULD HAVE BEEN
[00:14:36] IMPOSED. YOU SEE, IN 2024.
[00:14:39] >> YOU MEAN WE'RE KICKING THE BUTTS OF AVERAGE AMERICAN CONSUMERS WITH ALL THESE TARIFFS?
[00:14:43] >> WE'RE KICKING THE BUTTS OF CANADA. >> OH, REALLY?
[00:14:47] >> TRADE. >> YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO HURT CANADA. THIS TARIFF STUFF.
[00:14:51] >> IT'S REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE.
[00:14:54] IN 2024 THERE WAS $920 BILLION
[00:14:58] OF TRADE BETWEEN THE UNITED
[00:14:59] STATES AND CANADA. SOLD THEM
[00:15:03] $440 BILLION WORTH OF STUFF.
[00:15:04] THEY SOLD US $480 BILLION WORTH
[00:15:07] OF STUFF. NOW, TRUMP SAYS, THAT'S A $40 BILLION TRADE
[00:15:11] DEFICIT, AND THEY'RE CHEATING.
[00:15:13] NOW, WE HAVE BASICALLY THE SAME,
[00:15:17] UM, PER CAPITA INCOMES AS CANADA
[00:15:21] DOES. HOWEVER, WE HAVE 340
[00:15:24] MILLION PEOPLE, AND THEY'VE GOT 40 MILLION PEOPLE.
[00:15:28] >> YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I GET YOUR POINT HERE, RICK, BUT OKAY.
[00:15:32] I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AN AWFUL LOT OF THAT IMPORT, BY THE WAY, IS
[00:15:35] OIL IT'S I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING THOSE TAR SANDS OILS AND, AND
[00:15:39] BRINGING THEM DOWN TO TEXAS TO REFINE THEM AND THEN SHIPPING THE REFINED PRODUCTS OFFSHORE.
[00:15:42] WE KEEP THE, WE KEEP THE POISON
[00:15:46] >> A FEW WEEKS AGO. BUT IT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES
[00:15:50] OVER THE WEEKEND THAT HAKEEM JEFFRIES, THE LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE OF
[00:15:53] REPRESENTATIVES, AND JARED
[00:15:56] KUSHNER, WHO HOLDS NO OFFICIAL TITLE SO THAT HE CAN. SO THAT
[00:15:59] THERE CAN BE NO OVERSIGHT OF
[00:16:01] WHAT HE DOES. BASICALLY, IT'S,
[00:16:05] UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE OF TRUMP'S WAYS OF GETTING AROUND
[00:16:07] THE REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL SECURITY CLEARANCES.
[00:16:11] AND, AND, UH, CONFLICT OF
[00:16:15] INTEREST CONCERNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THIS IS A GUY WHO
[00:16:18] HAS TAKEN LITERALLY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON BEHALF OF THE TRUMP
[00:16:22] FAMILY AND HIMSELF FROM THESE
[00:16:25] FOREIGN OLIGARCHS WITH WHOM HE IS NEGOTIATING. IT DOESN'T GET
[00:16:28] MORE CORRUPT THAN THAT. I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE CORRUPT BEYOND. SO
[00:16:31] ANYHOW, THE TWO OF THEM GOT
[00:16:33] TOGETHER. AND, YOU KNOW, THE
[00:16:36] SPECULATION IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, LOOK AT HOW TRUMP IS
[00:16:40] IN THE TOILET. NATIONWIDE, POLLING WISE, AND THE
[00:16:43] SPECULATION IS THAT THEY'VE THAT KUSHNER HAS FIGURED OUT THAT
[00:16:47] HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DEMOCRATS, AND HE'S TRYING
[00:16:49] TO GET AHEAD OF IT. AND KUSHNER
[00:16:52] HIMSELF, OF COURSE, BEING NOW AN
[00:16:55] OLIGARCH. AND WE'VE GOT KIND OF OLIGARCHIC CAPTURE OF OUR
[00:16:58] GOVERNMENT TRYING TO EXTEND THAT
[00:17:01] TO HAKEEM JEFFRIES, WHO, BIZARRELY, LAST WEEK ON, I
[00:17:04] BELIEVE IT WAS FACE THE NATION,
[00:17:05] SAID, I'M OPPOSED TO MEDICARE
[00:17:08] FOR ALL. SO, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, EMBRACING THE OLIGARCHS FROM THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.
[00:17:12] IT'S A TOUGH ONE. IT'S A TOUGH
[00:17:16] ONE. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
[00:17:18] REALLY OFF ABOUT THIS. A LOT OF
[00:17:20] DEMOCRATS ARE VERY OFF AT HAKEEM
[00:17:24] JEFFRIES. UH, YOU KNOW, IN FACT,
[00:17:26] THIS, I THINK, UH, TOMMY, TOMMY
[00:17:29] VIETOR, WHO WAS A FORMER AIDE TO
[00:17:31] BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OBAMA, HE'S ON THE POD. SAVE AMERICA
[00:17:34] GROUP. HE SAYS JARED KUSHNER HAS NO ACTUAL GOVERNMENT JOB. HE
[00:17:37] JUST USES HIS FAMILY CONNECTIONS
[00:17:39] TO GET MONEY FROM GULF AUTOCRATS
[00:17:41] AND FUND CORRUPT DEALS. THE ONLY WAY JEFFREY SHOULD WORK WITH HIM
[00:17:45] IS IN DEMANDS FOR DOCUMENTS AND
[00:17:48] SUBPOENAS. AND I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH THAT. THAT THE
[00:17:51] AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I
[00:17:53] THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, FRANKLY, DONALD TRUMP GOT
[00:17:56] ELECTED IN 2016 AND AND ARGUABLY
[00:17:58] AGAIN, IN 2024, IS THAT PEOPLE
[00:18:03] IN AMERICA WANT FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE. THEY KNOW THAT, YOU
[00:18:05] KNOW, FROM, FROM THE 30s UNTIL THE 80s, WE BUILT THE FIRST
[00:18:09] MIDDLE CLASS. THAT WAS MORE THAN
[00:18:11] HALF OF A COUNTRY. TWO THIRDS OF US WERE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS.
[00:18:14] WHEN REAGAN CAME INTO OFFICE. TODAY, IT'S ONLY 41% OF US. WE
[00:18:18] COULD GET INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS. BACK IN 1980 WITH A SINGLE
[00:18:21] PAYCHECK. TODAY, IT TAKES TWO
[00:18:24] PAYCHECKS. REAGANOMICS, 45 YEARS
[00:18:27] OF NEOLIBERAL REAGANOMICS THAT HAS BEEN EMBRACED BY BOTH
[00:18:29] PARTIES, FRANKLY, HAS JUST SCREWED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. AND
[00:18:32] EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. AND THEY WANT CHANGE. AND TRUMP PROMISED CHANGE. AND HILLARY CLINTON
[00:18:36] CAMPAIGNED ON. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP EVERYTHING KIND OF GOING
[00:18:39] THE WAY IT IS. AND, YOU KNOW,
[00:18:41] SURPRISE, SURPRISE. AND I REALLY
[00:18:44] THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS OUTRAGE AGAINST
[00:18:48] JEFFRIES, IS THAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE
[00:18:50] WANT THIS ADMINISTRATION TAKEN TO TASK. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
[00:18:53] THEY'RE CORRUPT. THEY'RE
[00:18:55] SELF-DEALING. THEY'RE THEY'RE
[00:18:58] DOING DEALS CONSTANTLY TO, TO SATISFY THE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW,
[00:19:01] LIKE THE TRUMP SAID, THE OIL INDUSTRY GIVE ME $1 BILLION AND
[00:19:04] I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. WELL, HE'S DOING IT. HE'S PRETENDING THERE'S NO SUCH
[00:19:08] THING AS GLOBAL WARMING WHILE AMERICANS ARE DYING. HE'S KILLING OFF GREEN ENERGY
[00:19:12] PROJECTS. WHILE WE NEED MORE ENERGY. HE'S DOING IT ALL
[00:19:14] BECAUSE THEY GAVE HIM MONEY. SO.
[00:19:17] AND, YOU KNOW, JARED IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. SO I AGREE.
[00:19:21] DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE USING SUBPOENAS, NOT FRIENDLY
[00:19:24] CONVERSATIONS. SO WHAT SAY YOU? I'LL PICK UP YOUR CALLS ON THE
[00:19:27] OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK.
[00:19:32] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
[00:25:36] THIS EVENING, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON. >> RACE GOING ON IN WASHINGTON,
[00:25:40] D.C., AS PART OF TRUMP'S
[00:25:43] PRIVATIZED FREEDOM 250, WHERE ALL THESE BIG CORPORATIONS GIVE
[00:25:46] MONEY TO THIS ORGANIZATION THAT THEN GIVES SOME OF THAT MONEY TO
[00:25:49] DONALD TRUMP. AND TRUMP WAS
[00:25:52] THERE WITH WITH MELANIA. AND
[00:25:55] SITTING BEHIND THEM WAS NATALIE AND TRUMP. AND MELANIA
[00:25:58] APPARENTLY GOT INTO A BIT OF A SPAT. THERE'S A LIP READER. YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE THING. IT'S
[00:26:02] OVER AT ROSS STORY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LAYS IT OUT. UM, NOT
[00:26:06] CERTAIN EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE ARGUING ABOUT, EXCEPT THAT MELANIA WAS LIKE, I'M OUT OF
[00:26:10] HERE. AND THEN AFTER MELANIA LEFT, NOT NATALIE COMES UP AND
[00:26:13] SITS DOWN. IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, IT'S GETTING WEIRDER BY THE
[00:26:17] DAY. AND NOW WE DISCOVER THAT
[00:26:19] BACK ON JANUARY 6th, 2021, THE
[00:26:22] DAY THAT TRUMP SENT A MOB AGAINST THE CAPITOL TO MURDER
[00:26:25] THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, AND THEY
[00:26:28] NEARLY SUCCEEDED TO OVERTURN AN
[00:26:31] ELECTION TO TO COMMIT A COUP, TO END DEMOCRACY IN THE UNITED
[00:26:35] STATES. THAT ON THAT DAY,
[00:26:36] NATALIE HARP TWEETED, OVER 150
[00:26:40] TIMES, THINGS LIKE FIGHT FOR TRUMP IN ALL CAPS. SHE DID THAT
[00:26:43] 12 TIMES IN ONE POST. UH, DC IS
[00:26:47] TRUMP COUNTRY. SHE WAS 29 YEARS
[00:26:49] OLD AT THE TIME. SHE PRAISED THE DEMONSTRATORS WHO WERE BEATING
[00:26:52] COPS TO THE POINT WHERE FIVE OF
[00:26:54] THEM ARE NOW DEAD. AS GREAT
[00:26:58] PATRIOTS, AND KEPT TWEETING,
[00:26:59] STOP THE STEAL. SHE WAS, UH,
[00:27:02] WHEN SHE WAS ON TV ON ONE AMERICA NEWS. SHE, WHEN SHE WAS
[00:27:06] A HOST, SHE, SHE INTERVIEWED KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHO WAS THEN A
[00:27:09] CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE. SHE'S NOW THE PRESS SECRETARY OF THE
[00:27:12] OUTGOING PRESS SECRETARY. AND,
[00:27:15] UH, SHE SAID THAT SHE JUST CAME RIGHT OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW,
[00:27:18] TRUMP WON THE ELECTION IN 2020. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. UH, HE WON
[00:27:22] IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. SHE SAID HE
[00:27:25] ACTUALLY LOST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
[00:27:27] BY 7.4%. UH, THIS IS THIS IS
[00:27:30] WEIRD AND GETTING WEIRDER. SO
[00:27:33] WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? LET'S PICK UP SOME CALLS HERE. TONY IN BUFFALO, NEW YORK. HEY,
[00:27:36] TONY. WHAT'S UP?
[00:27:40] >> UH FRIDAY AT KNIGHT, THERE
[00:27:42] WAS A STUDY RELEASED THAT WARNED
[00:27:46] THAT THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
[00:27:52] ARE TAKING GIFTS AND HAVE BEEN
[00:27:53] TAKING GIFTS FOR SOME TIME. NEIL
[00:27:56] GORSUCH WAS C-SPAN THIS PAST
[00:27:58] DAY. UH, AND TALKED ABOUT A BIT
[00:28:02] ABOUT THE CAMARADERIE OF THESE GROUPS. I TALKED ABOUT, UH,
[00:28:06] CLARENCE THOMAS SOME TIME AGO
[00:28:07] WITH YOU. REMEMBER? >> YES.
[00:28:10] >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION. ONE THING I FORGOT TO TELL YOU WAS
[00:28:13] THAT REASON THAT THOMAS IS IN
[00:28:17] THE POCKET OF, UH, OF TRUMP IS
[00:28:20] BECAUSE OF HIS WIFE, JENNY. MHM.
[00:28:23] JENNY WAS A HUGE PUBLIC AND
[00:28:26] OPERATIVE. SHE'S ALSO WHITE, BY
[00:28:28] THE WAY AND SHE WAS IN HIS FIRST
[00:28:33] TERM. SHE WAS A, A JOB IN THE
[00:28:38] ADMINISTRATION. AND OBVIOUSLY,
[00:28:41] THERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE
[00:28:45] CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE. >> RIGHT. AND BEFORE THAT, SHE WAS MAKING A COUPLE HUNDRED
[00:28:47] THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR OVER HERITAGE FOUNDATION. AND THEN
[00:28:50] YOU HAD A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE FUNDING HER LITTLE GROUP. AND
[00:28:53] THIS WAS ALL WHILE HER HUSBAND WAS ON THE SUPREME COURT. THIS
[00:28:56] IS ALMOST AS BAD, OR ACTUALLY
[00:29:00] MAYBE WORSE, THAN JUSTICE
[00:29:04] ROBERTS WIFE TAKING $10 MILLION FROM BIG DC LAW FIRMS THAT DO
[00:29:07] BUSINESS WITH THE COURT. >> YEAH. MY SECOND POINT IS
[00:29:11] ABOUT REAGAN MAYBE YOU, YOU, YOU
[00:29:15] OVERLOOK THIS, BUT I'M SURE YOU
[00:29:17] DIDN'T. DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHEN
[00:29:25] UH, AND. GIVING CORPORATIONS THE
[00:29:28] ABILITY TO LEAVE THE UNITED
[00:29:30] STATES AND GIVING THEM ALL KINDS
[00:29:33] OF FAVOR TREAT. FAVORITE KIND OF TREATMENT?
[00:29:36] >> YEAH. REAGAN STARTED THE WHOLE NEOLIBERAL THING, WHICH WAS SO-CALLED FREE TRADE. I
[00:29:40] MEAN, IT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT
[00:29:41] GOT SERIOUSLY CODIFIED WITH, UH,
[00:29:46] BY GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, WHO, UH, I MEAN, THEY STARTED
[00:29:49] THIS DURING THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION, BUT IT REALLY FINISHED UP DURING THE BUSH
[00:29:53] ADMINISTRATION CREATING THE NAFTA AGREEMENT, THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. BUT PRIOR.
[00:29:56] >> TO THAT, THEY. >> HAD TRIED TO CUT TRIED TO CUT FREE TRADE DEALS ALL AROUND THE
[00:30:00] WORLD. YEAH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >> YEAH. >> REMEMBER?
[00:30:04] >> REMEMBER >> YES. SHE TESTIFIED THAT CLARENCE THOMAS, WHEN HE WAS
[00:30:08] RUNNING THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY
[00:30:12] COMMISSION, OR WHATEVER IT IS, THE EEOC, UH, THAT HE WAS
[00:30:15] SEXUALLY HARASSING HER. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, SHE'S BEEN ON THIS
[00:30:18] PROGRAM, ACTUALLY. ANITA HILL.
[00:30:20] >> YEAH. WHAT HE SAID WAS,
[00:30:23] UNLESS YOU WERE WHITE AND HAD A
[00:30:24] COMPLAINT, NOBODY ELSE SHOULD
[00:30:28] MAKE A COMPLAINT. YEAH. HE, IN
[00:30:30] MY OPINION, HE WAS ANTI-BLACK AT
[00:30:35] THAT PARTICULAR TIME. >> THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN A FEW BLACK PEOPLE HAVE CALLED INTO THIS PROGRAM AND
[00:30:38] EXPRESSED A SIMILAR CONCERN, OR SENTIMENT. TONY, I DON'T KNOW
[00:30:41] WHAT TO MAKE OF IT. I'M YOU KNOW, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT
[00:30:44] THAT. TONY. THANKS FOR THE CALL. ALFREDO IN MOUNTAIN VIEW,
[00:30:47] CALIFORNIA. OTHER THAN THAT, HE'S VERY, VERY CORRUPT. UH,
[00:30:50] TOM? ALFREDO, WHAT'S ON YOUR
[00:30:51] MIND TODAY GOOD. WHAT'S UP?
[00:30:57] >> YEAH. SO, UH, REGARDING THE
[00:31:03] AGAINST CANADA AND CARNEY. UH, I
[00:31:06] THINK UH, THIS TARIFFS, UH,
[00:31:13] AGAINST THE U.S. ONGOING
[00:31:33] GUY IMPEACHED, POSSIBLY, IF WE WIN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. YOUR THOUGHTS?
[00:31:36] >> YEAH. I MEAN, IRAN IS CLEARLY PLAYING THAT GAME. THEY'VE COME RIGHT OUT AND SAID IT. YOU KNOW
[00:31:40] THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE STRAITS OF HORMUZ SHUT
[00:31:43] UNTIL TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE. UH, YOU KNOW, REALIZING THAT THAT'S
[00:31:47] GOING TO DO ENORMOUS POLITICAL
[00:31:49] DAMAGE TO HIM. UH, I DON'T THINK
[00:31:52] THE CARNEY IS SITTING AROUND SAYING, HOW CAN I SCREW DONALD
[00:31:54] TRUMP? HE WAS BEING REACTIVE,
[00:31:56] NOT PROACTIVE. HE WAS RESPONDING
[00:32:01] TO TRUMP BASICALLY SAYING, CANADA IS GOING TO BE OUR 51st STATE. UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO
[00:32:05] START TREATING THEM LIKE THEY'RE A 51st STATE. I MEAN, THE DEMANDS THAT TRUMP MADE OF
[00:32:08] CANADA IN THAT TRADE NEGOTIATION WERE JUST OVER THE TOP. UM, I
[00:32:12] MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OVER THE TOP IF CANADA WAS
[00:32:14] MICHIGAN, BUT IT'S A SOVEREIGN
[00:32:17] NATION, YOU KNOW?
[00:32:19] >> YEAH. BUT TIME HE WAKES UP,
[00:32:25] EVERY DAY. UH, THINKING, WHAT
[00:32:34] , SEPTEMBER, I MEAN, OCTOBER IS
[00:32:39] CONTINUING THIS WAR. YEAH. AND
[00:32:42] POSSIBLY WE COULD GAIN IMPEACH
[00:32:45] THIS GUY. THAT WAS MY THING. >> ASSUMING HE DOESN'T, HE DOESN'T BLOW UP THE ELECTIONS.
[00:32:48] YEAH, I TOTALLY GET IT, ALFREDO. THANK YOU. WELL SAID. THANKS,
[00:32:52] TOM. SURE ENOUGH, SAM IN ATLANTA, WATCHING US ON C-SPAN.
[00:32:56] HEY, SAM, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND? MY OLD STOMPING GROUNDS. WE USED
[00:32:58] TO LIVE IN ATLANTA.
[00:33:00] >> OH, YEAH. IT'S STILL ATLANTA.
[00:33:04] UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING
[00:33:05] YOU. UH, UH, I DO LISTEN TO, UM.
[00:33:10] I DO WATCH C-SPAN PRETTY REGULARLY. GOT TWO QUESTIONS.
[00:33:13] UH, ONE OF THEM ABOUT JANUARY. HELLO? >> YEAH, I WAS JUST AGREEING
[00:33:17] WITH YOU. IT'S A GREAT NETWORK. BACK TO YOU, SAM.
[00:33:19] >> OH, YEAH. OH, YEAH. BUT I'D
[00:33:25] LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TARIFFS ALSO.
[00:33:27] I DON'T KNOW WHY NO ONE BRINGS
[00:33:29] UP THE FACT THAT THAT DAY THERE WERE TWO GROUPS OUT THERE. WHILE
[00:33:32] DONALD TRUMP HAD HIS GROUP AT
[00:33:36] ONE LOCATION, C-SPAN WAS SHOWING
[00:33:40] PEOPLE BREAKING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE OR WHEREVER THEY BROKE INTO. >> THE CAPITOL BUILDING.
[00:33:43] >> THE THING. MHM. OKAY. THEY
[00:33:46] HAD A DUAL SCREEN, ONE SCREEN SHOWED PEOPLE OUT THERE TALKING
[00:33:50] WITH DONALD TRUMP, THE OTHER SCREEN SHOWED PEOPLE BREAKING
[00:33:54] INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. >> YEAH. THOSE KNOW THE CAPITOL BUILDING. THOSE WERE THE KIND OF
[00:33:58] SHOCK TROOPS. THAT WAS THE THE PROUD BOYS. I MEAN, THAT WAS THAT WAS WHY TARRIO GOT
[00:34:01] CONVICTED OF SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. THAT WAS THE
[00:34:03] CONSPIRACY. THEY WERE THERE
[00:34:06] BEFORE THE CROWD ARRIVED.
[00:34:08] >> YEAH TRUMP GET BLAMED FOR
[00:34:11] SENDING HIS GROUP DOWN THERE? BECAUSE I HEARD EVERYTHING HE SAID THAT DAY, AND HE WAS
[00:34:14] SAYING, GO DOWN PEACEFULLY. >> WELL, AND AND HE SAID, YOU
[00:34:18] GOT TO FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, OR YOU WON'T HAVE A DEMOCRACY
[00:34:20] LEFT. YOU WON'T
[00:34:27] >> THAT I AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I WATCHED IT THAT DAY ALL THE WAY. YEAH. MY OTHER
[00:34:31] CONCERN WAS, HOW DO YOU BREAK
[00:34:34] INTO THE CAPITOL THAT LONG? AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS? HOW DO
[00:34:38] PEOPLE GET TO GO INTO THE HOLD
[00:34:42] PEOPLE HOSTAGE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, AND ONLY ONE PERSON
[00:34:46] DIED >> THERE WERE, I BELIEVE THERE WERE FIVE PEOPLE WHO DIED THAT
[00:34:50] DAY. AND THERE WERE FIVE COPS. >> WHO DIED. >> AFTERWARDS.
[00:34:55] >> BREAKING INTO THE CAPITOL. IF THEY'RE BREAKING INTO THE
[00:34:57] CAPITOL, WHAT WHAT, FIVE, SIX
[00:35:01] HOURS? >> YEAH. NO, I THE CAPITOL POLICE WERE VERY RESTRAINED. I
[00:35:05] MEAN, THE ONLY SHOT, ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOMAN, ASHLI
[00:35:08] BABBITT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I
[00:35:10] GET THAT IT. >> WAS BREAKING IN. THEY HAD
[00:35:13] THEY HAD EQUIPMENT TO BREAK DOWN WALLS AND BREAK INTO.
[00:35:17] >> OH, I KNOW, AND THEY BROUGHT, AND THEY BROUGHT GUNS AND WEAPONS. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE
[00:35:20] GUYS, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE THERE TO, TO OVERTHROW OUR
[00:35:23] GOVERNMENT. SAM. AND THAT THAT'S A CRIME. AND SADLY,
[00:35:26] TRUMP HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, FORGIVEN THEM. HE'S PARDONED THEM, I THINK, BECAUSE HE WANTS
[00:35:30] THEM TO DO IT AGAIN. IT'S MY
[00:35:32] GUESS. SAM, THANKS A LOT FOR THE CALL. AND THANKS FOR WATCHING US
[00:35:36] ON C
[00:35:40] >> YES! >> YEAH. YOU'RE ON THE AIR, RALPH. WHAT'S UP? >> OH. HI, THERE.
[00:35:43] >> HEY. >> MY QUESTION >> WHAT WILL THE.
[00:35:47] >> BE THE YEARLY MAINTENANCE COST OF THE BALLROOM?
[00:35:50] >> OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
[00:35:54] I HAVE NO IDEA. WHY DO YOU ASK? WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE?
[00:35:58] >> IT MIGHT EVEN. IT MIGHT DWARF
[00:36:01] WHAT IT COST TO BUILD IT IN 20,
[00:36:03] 30 YEARS. >> YEAH. THAT'S AN INTERESTING
[00:36:07] THOUGHT. UM, CERTAINLY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW,
[00:36:10] MAINTENANCE COSTS CAN BE FAIRLY HIGH. WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS
[00:36:13] THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OFF, TRUMP WAS LIKE, WE NEED A BALLROOM. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD
[00:36:17] THIS BALLROOM. AND THEN HE WAS LIKE, AND THEN THE SUPREME
[00:36:19] COURT, OR THEN A FEDERAL JUDGE SAYS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THE
[00:36:23] CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO CONGRESS FOR APPROVAL. AND
[00:36:27] THERE'S ALL THESE LAWS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL HISTORIC SITES LIKE THE EAST WING OF THE
[00:36:30] WHITE HOUSE. YOU CAN'T JUST TEAR THEM DOWN WITHOUT PERMISSION. AND SO THEN TRUMP
[00:36:34] SAYS, WELL, THIS IS NATIONAL SECURITY. I'M DOING IT TO BUILD
[00:36:37] A BUNKER FOR MYSELF UNDERNEATH. BUT THERE WAS ALREADY A BUNKER
[00:36:40] UNDERNEATH THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND BUNKER UNDERNEATH THE WHITE HOUSE. ONE
[00:36:43] WAS BUILT BACK DURING WORLD WAR TWO FOR FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, THE ONE UNDERNEATH THE WHITE HOUSE.
[00:36:47] IT'S ONLY TWO STORIES DOWN. THE SECOND ONE WAS BUILT DURING THE
[00:36:51] OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. IT IS SIX STORIES UNDERGROUND. AGAIN,
[00:36:55] UNDERNEATH THE WHITE HOUSE HAS LIVING QUARTERS. I MEAN, YOU
[00:36:58] KNOW, IT'S OWN AIR AND WATER
[00:37:00] SUPPLY. IT'S DESIGNED TO
[00:37:02] WITHSTAND A NUCLEAR A NUCLEAR
[00:37:06] ATTACK. AND SO WHAT IS TRUMP DOING, DESTROYING THE, THE, THE OLD BUNKER AND BUILDING THE NEW
[00:37:09] BUNKER? OR DID HE RUIN THE OLD BUNKER WHEN HE WHEN HE TORE UP
[00:37:13] THE EAST WING? OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOBODY'S EVEN SEEN
[00:37:16] EVIDENCE OF BUNKER BUILDING, YOU
[00:37:18] KNOW, BUT THE WHOLE THING IS
[00:37:21] JUST WEIRD. AND IT'S INCREASINGLY APPEARING. RALPH.
[00:37:24] LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRUMP IS DOING IS JUST TRYING TO GET
[00:37:27] AROUND THE LAW, FRANKLY. SO WE'LL SEE. RALPH, THANKS FOR THE CALL. NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
[00:37:31] AND THANKS FOR WATCHING US ON C-SPAN PAUL IN AMBLER, PENNSYLVANIA. HEY, PAUL, WHAT'S
[00:37:34] ON YOUR MIND TODAY >> HI, TOM. I WANTED TO TALK
[00:37:38] ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO
[00:37:39] BE A VERY PROMISING POLITICAL,
[00:37:43] UH, ENVIRONMENT COME, NOVEMBER.
[00:37:47] UM, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A GOOD MEMORY OF WHAT I'M BASICALLY
[00:37:50] TRYING TO REVIEW. THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:37:54] SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA WERE
[00:37:55] FORMED IN 73 FROM, UH, TWO OTHER
[00:37:59] GROUPS, NEW AMERICAN MOVEMENT AND THE SOCIALIST PARTY, USA.
[00:38:03] UM, THEY WENT INTO THE
[00:38:06] DEMOCRATIC PARTY AT THE TIME.
[00:38:07] THEY WENT IN AS THE DEMOCRATIC
[00:38:11] SOCIALIST ORGANIZING COMMITTEE. THEY WERE MEMBERS OF THE
[00:38:14] DEMOCRATIC PARTY. UH, SOME MIGHT
[00:38:16] HAVE RAN AS CANDIDATES OR THEY
[00:38:19] WORKED AS COMMITTEE PEOPLE OR
[00:38:21] ADVISORS AND RAN CAMPAIGNS, UH, LOCALLY IN PHILADELPHIA. THERE
[00:38:24] WERE A LOT OF, UH, VERY ACTIVE
[00:38:26] DSOC MEMBERS. THEY LIVED IN
[00:38:30] COOPERATIVE HOUSES, IN POWELTON VILLAGE, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY
[00:38:33] ACTIVE, LIKE THE LEFT BANK OF PHILADELPHIA AT THE TIME. WHAT
[00:38:37] HAPPENED WAS, UH, MICHAEL
[00:38:40] HARRINGTON WAS PUSHING FOR MORE
[00:38:43] SOCIAL LEGISLATION ALONG THE LINES OF THE NEW DEAL AND THE GREAT SOCIETY. NOW, THIS WAS
[00:38:47] GOING ON IN THE 70s, BECAUSE BY THEN, THINGS HAD TONED DOWN A
[00:38:51] LOT. THERE WAS A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVE ON THE ON THE
[00:38:54] CONSERVATIVISM, ON THE RISE. UM,
[00:38:58] AND CULMINATING SEVERAL YEARS LATER IN THE 80s WITH REAGAN COMING IN. >> SO YOUR.
[00:39:01] >> POINT IS. BUT THE POINT IS,
[00:39:04] WE HAVE A REPEAT OF THAT. PEOPLE
[00:39:07] UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO REALIGN
[00:39:09] WITHIN AN INSTITUTION, UH, WHICH
[00:39:11] PEOPLE LIKE, UH, OCASIO AND
[00:39:14] TALIB AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE. CORI BUSH, THEY'RE COMING IN AND
[00:39:17] THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR
[00:39:21] A MORE, UH, GREATER INVESTMENT
[00:39:24] IN SOCIETY. AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS
[00:39:27] BEFORE. THEY HAD. BIGGEST POLIT STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE
[00:39:30] CONSERVATIVE. >> WHERE I'M STILL TRYING TO
[00:39:32] RECOVER FROM THE PERFORMANCES OF
[00:39:35] THE JAZZ FESTIVAL HERE ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON. >> OH, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT
[00:39:38] THAT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN. >> WELL.
[00:39:42] >> YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE,
[00:39:44] UH, CLASSICAL MUSIC FESTIVAL EITHER, SO I'M GLAD TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
[00:39:47] >> THANK YOU. CHARLES.
[00:39:49] >> I JUST, I SWEAR TO GOD, I'VE
[00:39:52] SEEN MANY, UH, WORLD CLASS PIANO
[00:39:54] PLAYERS IN THE GENRE, BUT, UH, THIS GENTLEMAN I SAW SATURDAY,
[00:39:58] UH, TAQUITO VALDEZ NEVER WENT.
[00:40:02] JUST WENT TO THE TOP OF THE LIST. ANYWAY, SIR, MY QUESTION
[00:40:05] IS, I ASKED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO
[00:40:07] IF YOU HAD HEARD ANY OF THE, UH
[00:40:11] FROM THE MUSLIM GUY. SHAHEEN, WALTZ AND KING. HE HAD TIME TO
[00:40:14] CHECK HIM OUT. >> RIGHT? I HAVE NOT, I'M SORRY.
[00:40:16] YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE
[00:40:18] CALLED, UH, LAST WEEK, AND, UH, SUGGESTED THERE WERE TWO BOOKS I
[00:40:22] SHOULD READ. UM, THE BLIND SPOT
[00:40:26] AND NERD RISCH. AND SO I GOT THOSE, AND I READ BOTH THOSE
[00:40:28] BOOKS THIS WEEKEND FOR THOSE
[00:40:30] CALLERS, BUT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE
[00:40:32] AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SHAHID
[00:40:35] BOLTON. CHARLES. I'M SORRY. >> NO, DON'T BE SORRY. CARRY
[00:40:39] ON. I'LL BE LISTENING. ANYWAY. THANK YOU SIR. >> THANKS A LOT, CHARLES. GOOD
[00:40:42] TALKING TO YOU, SUE. IN BELMONT, MICHIGAN. HEY, SUE, WHAT'S ON
[00:40:46] YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HI. >> UM. >> A FEW WEEKS AGO, I HAD TOLD
[00:40:50] YOU ABOUT A BOOK I HAD BORROWED
[00:40:54] FROM A FELLOW PROTESTER ABOUT. THERE'S NO REASON TO GIVE UP ON
[00:40:57] DEMOCRACY. I THINK IT WAS
[00:40:59] WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY NAMED VANCE.
[00:41:02] >> MHM
[00:41:04] >> SAID, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIGURE OUT FOR THE SOLUTION. AND
[00:41:08] I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD
[00:41:09] ALREADY SAY, STAY THE. TO
[00:41:13] SUMMARIZE IT, STAY INVOLVED.
[00:41:16] PROTEST UH, TALK TO YOUR REPS
[00:41:22] AND SENATORS POST THINGS, YOU
[00:41:24] KNOW, GIVE OUT INFORMATION,
[00:41:27] ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO STAY
[00:41:29] INVOLVED, TO LET YOU KNOW YOUR,
[00:41:33] YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS KNOW. YEAH. THEN THE OTHER THING I WAS
[00:41:36] GOING TO MENTION TO YOU TONIGHT
[00:41:40] AT 8:00 EASTERN STANDARD TIME,
[00:41:44] ABDUL EL-SAYED IS GOING TO BE
[00:41:45] INTERVIEWED BY JESSE WATTERS.
[00:41:50] AND, UM.
[00:41:51] >> THE RIGHT WING HOST ON FOX.
[00:41:55] INTERESTING. >> WELL, KIND OF LIKE A KNOW. >> YEAH, YEAH. PETE LIKES.
[00:41:59] >> TO FOX. YEAH. SO IF, IF
[00:42:01] ANYBODY MISSES IT, I'M SURE YOU
[00:42:05] CAN PICK IT UP ON YOUTUBE. THAT'S WHERE I FIND. >> A LOT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
[00:42:08] SURE. YEAH. >> YEAH. WELL, IF YOU GET A
[00:42:12] CHANCE TO WATCH IT, LET ME KNOW OR SAY SOMETHING LATER ON IN
[00:42:16] THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WEEK ABOUT IT. WILL DO. I'D BE INTERESTED.
[00:42:19] >> WE'LL DO. SUE, THANKS A LOT
[00:42:20] FOR THE HEADS UP, JOHN. IN SEDONA, ARIZONA. WATCH ON
[00:42:24] C-SPAN. HEY, JOHN, WHAT'S UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON SIR.
[00:42:28] >> HEY >> SO I WAS JUST THINKING THE
[00:42:31] OTHER DAY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
[00:42:33] SOMETHING I COULD DO POSITIVELY
[00:42:35] TO AFFECT, UH, UH, THE WORKING
[00:42:39] MAN IN THE UNITED STATES. AND
[00:42:41] THE MINIMUM WAGE HAS BEEN SUCH A
[00:42:44] STICKING POINT FOR SO LONG, AND I. IT CAME TO ME, YOU KNOW,
[00:42:48] SOMETIMES THE EASIEST ANSWERS ARE THE MOST SIMPLE. AND I WAS
[00:42:51] THINKING, SINCE THE MINIMUM, THE
[00:42:52] FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE HASN'T,
[00:42:55] UH, BEEN RAISED IN DECADES AS A
[00:42:58] SENIOR, YOU KNOW, I'M IN MY 70s.
[00:43:03] AND EVERY YEAR, MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IS TIED TO A COST
[00:43:06] OF LIVING INCREASE. RIGHT. SO I
[00:43:08] WONDER, WHY IN THE WORLD CAN'T
[00:43:11] WE JUST ESTABLISH THAT SAME
[00:43:16] CONCEPT FOR MINIMUM WAGE. >> THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES IN MY
[00:43:19] LIFETIME THAT I, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH BY DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. AND IT'S SHOT DOWN BY
[00:43:23] THE REPUBLICANS EVERY SINGLE TIME. REPUBLICANS, BASICALLY,
[00:43:26] YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS HERE FOR THE
[00:43:29] BILLIONAIRES AND THE BIG CORPORATIONS. AND THEY'RE
[00:43:32] ABSOLUTELY NOT HERE FOR AVERAGE WORKING PEOPLE. AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING FOR
[00:43:36] WORKING PEOPLE. I WOULD ADD, THOUGH, THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE CLINTON AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS, THERE WERE
[00:43:40] LITTLE WINDOWS WHERE WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN AN AWFUL LOT DONE. AND WE DIDN'T ALONG THOSE
[00:43:44] LINES. AND I THINK IN PART, IT WAS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BACK IN,
[00:43:46] UH, WHEN LEWIS POWELL WAS ON THE SUPREME COURT BACK IN THE 70s,
[00:43:50] AND, AND HE DID THE, HE ACTUALLY
[00:43:53] WROTE THE OPINION IN THE BELLOTTI CASE, WHICH SAID THAT CORPORATIONS ARE PERSONS, THEY
[00:43:57] HAVE FREE SPEECH RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MOUTH. THEY CAN
[00:44:01] USE MONEY, AND THEY CAN POUR
[00:44:02] THAT MONEY INTO CORPORATE, INTO
[00:44:05] POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION OF
[00:44:07] REAGAN'S 1980 CAMPAIGN. AND ALL THE MONEY FROM THE OIL INDUSTRY THAT GOT HIM INTO OFFICE, IN
[00:44:11] PART, IN ADDITION TO CUTTING THE DEAL WITH THE AYATOLLAH TO HANG
[00:44:15] ON TO THE HOSTAGES. BUT, YOU
[00:44:17] KNOW, THE THE BOTTOM LINE IS
[00:44:20] THAT THE, UH, IN 92, WHEN WHEN,
[00:44:25] UH, BILL CLINTON RAN FOR PRESIDENT, HE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BEFORE YOU COULD
[00:44:28] USE THE INTERNET TO RAISE MONEY.
[00:44:31] AND THE, AND THE FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT
[00:44:35] HAD SAID, CORPORATIONS CAN POUR UNLIMITED, ESSENTIALLY UNLIMITED
[00:44:38] AMOUNTS OF MONEY INTO CAMPAIGNS. AND SO CLINTON BASICALLY HAD TO START SUCKING UP TO THE
[00:44:41] CORPORATIONS. HE HAD TO ADOPT
[00:44:44] REAGAN'S NEOLIBERALISM. AND OBAMA LARGELY DID THE SAME THING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE
[00:44:47] ONE DEMOCRAT IN THE MODERN ERA
[00:44:50] WHO TURNED AWAY FROM THAT WAS JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN WAS THE MOST PROGRESSIVE OF THE OF THE
[00:44:54] MODERN PRESIDENTS. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TRUMP LOVES TO TRASH HIM, WHICH
[00:44:58] IS BIZARRE. BUT, UM, BUT THE
[00:45:00] MINIMUM WAGE WAS PUT INTO PLACE
[00:45:03] IN 1935. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS INDEXED TO INFLATION, JUST
[00:45:06] BACK TO, SAY, 1964, IT WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $20 AN
[00:45:10] HOUR RIGHT NOW. AND INSTEAD OF $7.25 AN HOUR. AND BY THE WAY,
[00:45:14] IT'S ONLY $7.25 AN HOUR IN RED
[00:45:18] STATES. AND THAT'S WHY RED STATES HAVE HIGHER RATES OF
[00:45:20] POVERTY, HIGHER RATES OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES,
[00:45:24] HIGHER RATES OF CHILDHOOD PREGNANCIES, HIGHER RATES OF, OF
[00:45:27] PEOPLE DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL. UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHER RATES OF
[00:45:30] JUST A WHOLE SPECTRUM OF
[00:45:33] DISEASES, UH, SHORTER LIFESPANS,
[00:45:36] SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER LIFESPANS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RUN THIS
[00:45:38] EXPERIMENT, JOHN, IN THE UNITED STATES. SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE DO
[00:45:42] IT THE WAY THE DEMOCRATS DID WITH THE NEW DEAL, WHICH BUILT
[00:45:45] THE FIRST MIDDLE CLASS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THAT WAS TWO THIRDS OF THE POPULATION OF
[00:45:49] AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. WE DID THAT FROM 33 TO 81. OR SHOULD WE DO
[00:45:52] IT THE REPUBLICAN WAY, WHICH
[00:45:56] WE'VE BEEN UNDER NATIONALLY SINCE 80, 81? UM, BUT WE'VE REALLY BEEN UNDER AND, YOU KNOW,
[00:46:00] 25, 30 OF OUR STATES AND DRIVE
[00:46:03] PEOPLE INTO POVERTY. UH, AND,
[00:46:06] AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BUMPER CROP OF BILLIONAIRES AND,
[00:46:10] YOU KNOW, IT'S CALLED OLIGARCHY.
[00:46:12] AND, AND SADLY, THE DECISION, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN MADE. I
[00:46:16] MEAN, NOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CAN SAY NO TO THE BILLIONAIRES AND THE BIG CORPORATIONS,
[00:46:20] BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE INTERNET AND THEY CAN RAISE MONEY. BUT
[00:46:22] THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT PRECEDENT WAS ESTABLISHED. THE
[00:46:25] PARTY WENT DOWN THAT ROAD, AND YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT HALF THE
[00:46:29] DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN IN THRALL TO THOSE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE JOSH GOTTHEIMER AND JARED
[00:46:33] GOLDENS OF THE WORLD, YOU KNOW,
[00:46:34] THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, PERFECTLY HAPPY TO TAKE MONEY
[00:46:38] FROM BILLIONAIRES, RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRES INCLUDED. AND, AND
[00:46:41] BIG CORPORATIONS AND AIPAC. AND WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS DARK,
[00:46:44] DARK MONEY, THIS, THIS DIRTY, DARK MONEY OUT OF OUR POLITICAL
[00:46:48] SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S RUINING, IT'S RUINING AMERICA. JOHN.
[00:46:52] >> THAT'S THE GORDIAN KNOT.
[00:46:53] THAT'S STRANGLING US. I
[00:46:56] REMEMBER IT IS IN MY READING. I
[00:46:59] FAMILIAR WITH THE QUOTE FROM HENRY FORD. UH, SOMEBODY ASKED
[00:47:02] HIM, WHY ARE YOU PAYING YOUR EMPLOYEES SO MUCH MONEY? AND HE
[00:47:05] SAYS, WELL, IF I DON'T, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD MY CARS.
[00:47:09] >> EXACTLY. YEAH, YEAH. FORD, FORD MORE THAN DOUBLED WAGES IN
[00:47:12] A REALLY OFF THE DODGE BROTHERS
[00:47:14] WHO SUED HIM AND WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT IN THE
[00:47:17] STATE OF MICHIGAN. UM, AND THE
[00:47:21] FASCINATING, FASCINATING CLEVEL UNFILTERED ACCESS TO THE CANDIDATES. THE VOTERS.
[00:47:25] >> ON HERE. HIS ECONOMY IS IN
[00:47:27] SHAMBLES RIGHT NOW. THERE'S MASSIVE INFLATION IN RUSSIA. THE
[00:47:31] UKRAINIANS HAVE JUST OVER THE
[00:47:34] LAST SIX MONTHS, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR STRATEGY. THEY'RE NO LONGER JUST FIGHTING ON THE
[00:47:37] BATTLEFIELD. THEY'RE SENDING DRONES AND MISSILES DEEP INTO
[00:47:40] RUSSIA, BLOWING UP OIL DEPOTS
[00:47:43] AND REFINERIES. THERE ARE GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL
[00:47:46] SHORTAGES AROUND THE COUNTRY,
[00:47:47] BLOWING UP THESE WILD BERRIES,
[00:47:50] WAREHOUSES, WILD BERRIES IS THE IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY IN
[00:47:54] RUSSIA, SORT OF LIKE AMAZON IN THE UNITED STATES. IT'S A THEY
[00:47:56] THEY DO DELIVERY. IT'S AN
[00:47:59] ONLINE COMPANY. AND THEY DELIVER
[00:48:00] TO YOUR HOME. BUT THEY ALSO SELL
[00:48:04] DRONES. AND, AND, UH, ELECTRONICS THAT ARE USED FOR
[00:48:08] DRONES. AND, AND SO UKRAINE HAS SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO
[00:48:11] AFTER THEM. AND PUTIN'S GOT AN ELECTION COMING UP. I MEAN,
[00:48:15] HE'S NOT ON THE BALLOT, BUT HIS PARTY IS. IT'S THE DUMA. THE
[00:48:19] DUMA IS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, UH,
[00:48:23] SINGLE PARLIAMENT IN RUSSIA.
[00:48:26] AND, UH, PUTIN'S FREAKING OUT.
[00:48:29] HE'S CRACKING DOWN HERE. HE'S,
[00:48:32] UH, SERGEI GURIEV, WHO IS A RUSSIAN ECONOMIST AND A KREMLIN CRITIC. AND HE'S ALSO THE DEAN
[00:48:36] OF THE LONDON SCHOOL OF
[00:48:39] ECONOMICS. EXCUSE ME, THE LONDON
[00:48:43] BUSINESS SCHOOL. HE SAID PUTIN'S CALCULUS NOW IS THAT HE WILL GET SOMETHING ELSE FROM
[00:48:47] TRUMP. HE BELIEVES THAT TIME IS ON HIS SIDE. HE BELIEVES
[00:48:50] UKRAINIANS WILL NOT SURVIVE NEXT WINTER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I
[00:48:54] YOU KNOW, I NOTICED WE HAVE
[00:48:57] EVERY THURSDAY, PHIL ITTNER COMES ON OUR PROGRAM. HE'S A
[00:49:01] VETERAN WAR CORRESPONDENT WHO LIVES IN KYIV, KYIV, UKRAINE,
[00:49:04] AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPS US UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
[00:49:07] AND, AND THE MEANING OF ALL
[00:49:09] THESE THINGS. AND, UH, HE POINTS
[00:49:12] OUT, HE POINTED OUT LAST WEEK
[00:49:14] THAT RUSSIA HAS BEEN TARGETING
[00:49:17] THE HEATING STATIONS FOR BIG APARTMENT COMPLEXES. I MEAN, A
[00:49:20] LOT OF THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WERE BUILT DURING THE
[00:49:24] SOVIET ERA. AND SO YOU'VE GOT,
[00:49:25] YOU KNOW, KIND OF CENTRAL,
[00:49:28] CENTRAL HEATING POWER. SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE
[00:49:31] BUNCH OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS,
[00:49:33] LIKE IN A RING OR, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE SQUARE BLOCKS. AND THEN
[00:49:36] THERE'S ONE BIG BUILDING. UM, THERE ARE PLACES LIKE THIS IN
[00:49:38] NEW YORK CITY, FOR THAT MATTER.
[00:49:40] MY BEST FRIEND USED TO LIVE IN
[00:49:43] ONE OF THEM, THE LADIES GARMENT WORKERS UNION, BUILT IT DOWN AT
[00:49:46] THE CORNER OF EIGHTH AND 27th.
[00:49:48] UM, AND YOU'VE GOT ONE SEPARATE BUILDING THAT IS LIKE THE
[00:49:52] HEATING PLANT, AND IT DRIVES HOT WATER INTO ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS TO HEAT PEOPLE THAT
[00:49:55] ARE IN THE WINTER. AND RUSSIA
[00:49:58] HAS BEEN DROPPING MISSILES ON THOSE HEATING PLANTS. SO WHAT
[00:50:01] THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE PREPARING TO FREEZE PEOPLE TO
[00:50:04] DEATH IN THE WINTER OR FREEZE THEM OUT BASICALLY, IN THE
[00:50:08] WINTER. AND PUTIN IS PRETTY FREAKED OUT ABOUT THIS. HE'S,
[00:50:10] YOU KNOW, UNSURE WHAT TO DO.
[00:50:14] AND, UH, AND HIS BIG BET, AND I
[00:50:18] THINK THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT JD VANCE SAID, WHAT, TWO MONTHS
[00:50:20] AGO, THREE MONTHS AGO, THAT THE
[00:50:22] PROUDEST MOMENT IN HIS VICE
[00:50:25] PRESIDENCY WAS WHEN HE, WHEN HE
[00:50:27] MADE SURE THAT WE WERE NOT
[00:50:30] SHIPPING ANY MORE WEAPONRY TO
[00:50:32] UKRAINE. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A TRUMP WHO CUT OFF UKRAINE AS
[00:50:36] SOON AS HE CAME INTO OFFICE A
[00:50:37] YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND VANCE WHO'S TALKING LIKE THIS, WHO'S
[00:50:41] KIND OF THE, THE, THE AGENT OF A
[00:50:46] RIGHT WING TECH BILLIONAIRE, AND, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS SAID THAT HE NO LONGER THINKS THAT
[00:50:50] DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM ARE
[00:50:52] COMPATIBLE. AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE
[00:50:57] GETTING INTO BED WITH RUSSIA, AND WE'RE SUCKING UP TO KIM
[00:50:59] JONG UN IN NORTH KOREA, WHO NOW
[00:51:03] HAS FORMED A SPECIFIC. AND. AND
[00:51:05] CLEAR MILITARY ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA. IN FACT, HE JUST SENT,
[00:51:08] YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF TROOPS TO RUSSIA WHO ARE GOING TO BE PART
[00:51:12] OF THE THE MEAT BRIGADE THAT'S
[00:51:14] GOING TO TAKE ON, UM, THE, UH,
[00:51:17] THE, UH UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE
[00:51:24] THING. SO, UH, SO ANYWAY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO
[00:51:28] POINT THAT OUT AND, UH, ANDRE
[00:51:32] KLEPACZ, THE CHIEF ECONOMIST AT THE RUSSIAN STATE DEVELOPMENT
[00:51:34] BANK, VEB, WAS FIRED FOR SAYING THAT THE ECONOMY IS NOT DOING
[00:51:38] WELL. THIS IS SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE FIRING OR THEY'RE REFUSING TO
[00:51:42] TALK TO PEOPLE AT THE PENTAGON
[00:51:44] AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, AND
[00:51:46] THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, AND THEN THERE'S GIUFFRE WHO IS SAYING,
[00:51:50] YOU KNOW, HE'S THE THING THAT
[00:51:53] PUTIN IS DEPENDING ON IS, NUMBER ONE, HE CAN DO ENOUGH DAMAGE TO
[00:51:57] UKRAINE THAT, THAT IT'LL JUST RUIN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SURVIVE
[00:52:01] THE WINTER. NUMBER TWO, THAT
[00:52:03] PUTIN IS DEPENDING ON, TRUMP.
[00:52:05] AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MORE OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA IS NOT
[00:52:09] POINTING THIS OUT, THAT TRUMP
[00:52:10] AND VANCE ARE ACTIVELY HELPING,
[00:52:16] HELPING PUTIN BY REFUSING TO SHIP WEAPONS TO UKRAINE, AND
[00:52:19] THEN, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM THAT
[00:52:22] IS COMPOUNDED BY THE JUST KIND
[00:52:24] OF GENERAL INSANITY OF DONALD
[00:52:26] TRUMP HAVING, YOU KNOW, STARTED THIS WAR WITH IRAN AND THROWING
[00:52:30] ALL OF OUR MUNITIONS INTO, INTO
[00:52:32] THAT COUNTRY OR AT THAT COUNTRY.
[00:52:35] IT SEEMS SHOCKINGLY STUPID. AND
[00:52:39] BUT FROM PUTIN'S POINT OF VIEW, AND, YOU KNOW, TRUMP HAS BEEN
[00:52:42] HAVING AN HOUR LONG, TWO HOUR LONG CONVERSATIONS, PHONE
[00:52:45] CONVERSATIONS WITH PUTIN EVERY TWO WEEKS, EVER SINCE HE RESUMED OFFICE, EVER SINCE HE CAME BACK
[00:52:49] INTO OFFICE. AND SO I'M
[00:52:52] IMAGINING PUTIN AS GOOD ON YOU, DONALD. YOU KNOW, NO MORE NO
[00:52:55] MORE WEAPONS FOR UKRAINE. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP
[00:52:58] AT IT. AND, OH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, NETANYAHU, HE'S A GOOD GUY. AND
[00:53:02] HE SAID, YOU SHOULD INVADE IRAN.
[00:53:03] THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YOU SHOULD
[00:53:07] DO THAT. AND TRUMP IS STUPID ENOUGH THAT HE'S LIKE, OH,
[00:53:08] YEAH, OKAY, I'LL INVADE IRAN AND
[00:53:12] BURN THROUGH ALL OUR WEAPONS AND BURN OUT OUR TROOPS AND LEAVE
[00:53:15] TAIWAN. YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLETELY
[00:53:18] UNDEFENDED, BUT