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[00:00:01] >> DEBBIE. UH >> HER NAME? DARLENE. GRAHAM.
[00:00:05] >> GRAHAM. >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION
[00:00:09] RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, IF A BILL
[00:00:11] COMES UP, I PROMISE YOU I WILL
[00:00:13] READ IT, AND I WILL VOTE
[00:00:15] ACCORDINGLY. THAT'S MANCHIN DID WHEN HARRY REID ASKED HIM TO
[00:00:19] VOTE IN A PARTY LINE VOTE. AND GUESS WHAT? HE READ THE BILL AND
[00:00:22] SAID, NO, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS
[00:00:26] >> LIKE IT. LET'S ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT IN THAT
[00:00:29] ELECTION. AND, UH, PERHAPS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'VE NOT
[00:00:32] ALREADY VOTED, GO TO
[00:00:35] SMERCONISH.COM RIGHT NOW. AND ANSWER TODAY'S POLL QUESTION.
[00:00:38] IN A STATE WHERE ONE PARTY
[00:00:40] CAN'T WIN A SENATE SEAT, SHOULD
[00:00:42] THAT PARTY STEP ASIDE FOR A
[00:00:46] STRONG, INDEPENDENT, NEARING
[00:00:48] 25000 VOTES, IT'S RUNNING 8515
[00:00:51] ROUND NUMBERS, 85% SAYING YES,
[00:00:56] YES, THE PARTY SHOULD STAND DOWN
[00:00:58] AND GIVE THE INDEPENDENT A SHOT.
[00:01:00] AND I'M ALL FOR THAT. SEE YOU >> [MUSIC]
[00:01:04] >> BOUNCE WITH YOU. YES, I'M
[00:01:22] >> AND MORE SIMULCAST TALK RADIO COVERAGE. NOW, AS WE TAKE YOU
[00:01:24] LIVE TO PORTLAND, OREGON, FOR THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM TO
[00:01:28] HEAR HIS TAKE ON THE DAY'S
[00:01:30] BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES, THIS
[00:01:33] IS LIVE COVERAGE.
[00:01:52] >> AND SPECIAL GREETINGS TO OUR C-SPAN AUDIENCE. UH, WE.
[00:01:55] >> WILL BE HERE ALL WEEK.
[00:01:59] >> I'M THOM HARTMANN. THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. UH,
[00:02:02] WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE PROGRESSIVE RADIO PROGRAM IN THE NATION. WE'RE ALSO ON FREE SPEECH, TV, ON COMMERCIAL, AND PACIFICA RADIO STATIONS ALL
[00:02:06] ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT US AT
[00:02:09] THOM.TV. THOM.TV. FOR OUR SHOW,
[00:02:13] COMPLETE WITH, BY THE WAY, AFTER EVERY SHOW, YOU'LL GET. IF YOU.
[00:02:16] IF YOU SIGN UP, IT'S FREE.
[00:02:19] YOU'LL GET AN EMAIL FROM SUE SUE CONNECTICUT THAT LISTS. THAT
[00:02:23] HAS HOTLINKS TO LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN
[00:02:25] DISCUSSED, INCLUDING CALLERS, CONVERSATIONS, UM, OR THE
[00:02:28] STORIES BEHIND THEM. UH, RIGHT,
[00:02:30] RIGHT TO YOUR INBOX. IT'S JUST A GREAT THING. UM, WE GOT A LOT
[00:02:33] TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST STORY
[00:02:36] THAT'S IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW IS
[00:02:38] HOW THE SUPREME COURT SEEMS TO
[00:02:41] BE GOING ALONG WITH DONALD TRUMP'S EFFORT TO RIG THE
[00:02:43] ELECTION THIS FALL. UH, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP FAMOUSLY
[00:02:47] CHEATS AT GOLF, WRITE. AN ENTIRE BOOK HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT.
[00:02:50] WE'VE GOT A BOXER NOW WHO JUST CAME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SAID
[00:02:52] THAT TRUMP WAS CHEATING WHEN THEY PLAYED TOGETHER. UM, AND
[00:02:56] APPARENTLY CHEATS AT EVERYTHING. I MEAN, HE CHEATED ON ALL THREE
[00:02:58] OF HIS WIVES. UM, I MEAN, TO THE
[00:03:01] POINT WHERE HIS THIRD WIFE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHEATING WITH A
[00:03:03] PLAYBOY BUNNY AND A PORN STAR
[00:03:06] AND THEN PAYING THEM OFF EACH OVER $100,000 TO KEEP QUIET
[00:03:09] ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, THE GUY'S A
[00:03:11] CHEATER. AND, UH, HE, IT'S VERY
[00:03:14] CLEAR, I THINK, INCREASINGLY CLEAR TO TRUMP THAT HE'S GOING
[00:03:18] TO LOSE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, OR BOTH. YOU KNOW, IT'S
[00:03:22] ALL STILL UP IN THE AIR. BUT AND I GET IT THAT THE BILLIONAIRE
[00:03:25] MONEY HAS NOT YET WEIGHED IN. AND IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THE
[00:03:28] REPUBLICANS COULD HOLD ON. BUT TRUMP ISN'T TAKING ANY CHANCES.
[00:03:31] AND SO HE'S ORDERED THE POST OFFICE TO REFUSE TO DELIVER MAIL
[00:03:34] TO ANYBODY WHO'S NOT ON HIS LIST
[00:03:36] OF APPROVED VOTERS. AND HE'S
[00:03:40] CREATING THE LIST. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. AND YESTERDAY, THE
[00:03:43] SUPREME COURT SAID, WELL, YOU
[00:03:46] KNOW, HE CAN GO. MOMENT,
[00:03:51] BASICALLY, IN THE THIRD HOUR OF
[00:03:52] OUR PROGRAM AT WHAT WOULD BE
[00:03:56] 1130 PACIFIC TIME, 230 EASTERN
[00:03:58] TIME, TODAY, WE WILL BE INTERVIEWING STEVE VLADECK, WHO
[00:04:01] IS A VERY, VERY WELL-KNOWN LAWYER. HE'S GOT A GREAT BLOG
[00:04:04] OVER ON, ON, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU
[00:04:07] CALL IT? SUBSTACK. AND, UH, YOU
[00:04:11] KNOW, ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT. SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT THEN.
[00:04:15] BUT, BUT THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THIS IS NOTHING
[00:04:17] NEW FOR JOHN ROBERTS. JOHN
[00:04:20] ROBERTS, UH, AND FRANKLY, WHAT I
[00:04:22] THINK IS HAPPENING HERE IS THAT
[00:04:26] THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE SUPREME
[00:04:27] COURT ARE AT LEAST 2 OR 3 OF
[00:04:32] THEM ARE TERRIFIED. I MEAN, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SHELDON
[00:04:34] WHITEHOUSE AND OTHER WHO ON THIS PROGRAM, HE'S BEEN ON THIS
[00:04:38] PROGRAM MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IF THE
[00:04:42] DEMOCRATS TAKE THE SENATE, HE
[00:04:45] INTENDS TO INVESTIGATE AND CALL BEFORE HIS COMMITTEE FOR
[00:04:49] TESTIMONY. JOHN ROBERTS AND
[00:04:50] CLARENCE THOMAS. CLARENCE THOMAS
[00:04:54] HAS TAKEN SOMETHING LIKE $3 MILLION FROM A NAZI IN GIFTS AND, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT A NEW
[00:04:58] HOUSE FOR HIS MOTHER AND SENT
[00:04:59] HIS KID TO SCHOOL AND, AND TOOK HIM ON VACATIONS ALL AROUND THE
[00:05:03] WORLD, BASICALLY $3 MILLION WORTH OF GOODIES FROM A NAZI
[00:05:07] MEMORABILIA, COLLECTING, RIGHT,
[00:05:09] HARDCORE RIGHT WING, UH, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE, TEXAS REAL
[00:05:12] ESTATE BILLIONAIRE AND JOHN
[00:05:14] ROBERTS WIFE HAS TAKEN OVER $10
[00:05:16] MILLION FROM MAJOR LAW FIRMS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANY OF WHOM
[00:05:19] DO BUSINESS WITH THE SUPREME COURT. THESE ARE BOTH CLEAR
[00:05:23] CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. THESE ARE BOTH CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF ANY
[00:05:26] KIND OF NORMS OF JUDICIAL
[00:05:29] ETHICS. SAM ALITO IS ALSO TAKING GIFTS FROM RIGHT WINGERS AND
[00:05:31] FROM FROM RIGHT WING FOUNDATIONS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
[00:05:35] AND AMY CONEY BARRETT HAS BEEN RULING ON CASES THAT INVOLVE THE
[00:05:38] FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY. WHEN HER FATHER WAS SHELL OIL'S TOP
[00:05:41] LAWYER FOR 30 SOME ODD YEARS. SO, UH, IN MY OPINION, WHAT'S
[00:05:45] GOING ON HERE IS THAT THEY'RE AS
[00:05:47] SCARED AS TRUMP IS. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE WILLING TO GO
[00:05:51] ALONG. POSSIBLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS SHAKES
[00:05:53] OUT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH
[00:05:57] CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS IN A FEW MINUTES. AND IN THE THIRD HOUR
[00:06:01] OF OUR PROGRAM, IN PARTICULAR.
[00:06:02] BUT I THINK THEY'RE PERFECTLY WILLING TO LET TRUMP RIG THE
[00:06:06] ELECTION IF IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET DRAGGED BEFORE CONGRESS. AND
[00:06:10] THIS HAS GOT TO BE KEEPING JOHN ROBERTS UP AT NIGHT. AND AND,
[00:06:13] YOU KNOW, HE'S HE'S BEEN RUNNING A CON REALLY SINCE SEPTEMBER OF
[00:06:17] 2005, WHEN HE FIRST TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS. IN HIS
[00:06:21] CONFIRMATION HEARINGS, HE WAS PUT ON THE COURT BY GEORGE W
[00:06:24] BUSH, MADE THE CHIEF JUSTICE,
[00:06:27] AND, YOU KNOW, HIS. HE FAMOUSLY
[00:06:29] SAID, I WILL ONLY CALL BALLS AND
[00:06:31] STRIKES. I WILL NOT PITCH OR
[00:06:33] BAT. AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED, IN
[00:06:36] FACT, 22 DEMOCRATS VOTED TO CONFIRM HIM. I MEAN, THEY
[00:06:39] BELIEVED HIM. AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED EXPLICITLY ABOUT THE
[00:06:43] VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965, THE VRA, HE SAID, IT'S ESTABLISHED
[00:06:47] LAW, AND HE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH
[00:06:49] IT. TED KENNEDY ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION, AND ROBERTS REPLIED,
[00:06:53] QUOTE, THE EXISTING VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE CONSTITUTIONALITY HAS BEEN UPHELD, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY
[00:06:57] ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHEN HE
[00:07:00] WORKED AS A LAWYER IN RONALD
[00:07:02] REAGAN'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, HE
[00:07:04] WROTE MORE THAN 20 MEMOS
[00:07:07] ATTACKING THE VOTING RIGHTS. UH
[00:07:12] LAW, UH YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST CRAZY. HE SAID IT WOULD CREATE A
[00:07:16] QUOTA SYSTEM AKIN TO AFFIRMATIVE
[00:07:17] ACTION FOR ELECTORAL POLITICS.
[00:07:20] AND SURE ENOUGH, THAT'S BEEN THE ATTITUDE THAT HE'S TAKEN WITH
[00:07:24] THE SHELBY COUNTY DECISION AND OTHERS THAT HAVE GUTTED THE
[00:07:26] VOTING RIGHTS ACT SO HERE WE ARE
[00:07:28] NOW. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL EXTRAORDINARILY CORRUPT MEMBERS
[00:07:32] OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WHO
[00:07:35] NOT ONLY ARE GOING ALONG WITH THE CORRUPTION OF THE TRUMP
[00:07:38] ADMINISTRATION AND THE GENERAL CORRUPTION OF THE REPUBLICAN
[00:07:40] PARTY, BUT BUT, IN MY OPINION, ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY CONCERNED.
[00:07:44] >> FOR THEIR.
[00:07:48] >> FOR THEIR OWN.
[00:07:49] >> [MUSIC]
[00:07:55] >> THIS IS THE THOM >> [MUSIC] >> HARTMANN PROGRAM.
[00:07:58] >> HEY, TOP OF THE TUESDAY TO YOU. A LOT GOING ON. JUST A
[00:08:02] REMINDER, I'M DOING A BOOK
[00:08:03] SIGNING OVER AT POWELL'S AND ON
[00:08:07] BURNSIDE ON SEPTEMBER 25th. PUT IT ON YOUR, ON YOUR CALENDAR.
[00:08:10] UH, THE NEW BOOK IS WHO KILLED
[00:08:13] THE AMERICAN DREAM. UH, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S HAPPENING. WE
[00:08:15] GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. IN THE FIRST HOUR OF OUR
[00:08:18] PROGRAM, JOHN ROBERTS GETS EXPOSED FOR THE BIGGEST CON IN AMERICA. WELL, I JUST, I WAS
[00:08:22] JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY. AND TRUMP'S INNER
[00:08:26] CIRCLE PANICS OVER NATALIE AS
[00:08:29] THE RASPUTIN PARALLEL GETS REAL JUSTICE. JACKSON IS SOUNDING AN
[00:08:33] ALARM ABOUT THIS. UH, ALSO A CRAZY ALERT. TRUMP GETS BUSTED
[00:08:36] CHEATING AT GOLF AND SHOWS WHY
[00:08:38] AMERICA CAN'T TRUST HIM TO PLAY BY THE RULES. IN THE SECOND HOUR
[00:08:41] OF OUR PROGRAM TODAY, MARY TRUMP IS GOING TO DROP BY DONALD
[00:08:45] TRUMP'S NIECE, WHO IS ALSO A LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST
[00:08:49] AND HAS A GREAT SUBSTACK
[00:08:51] NEWSLETTER. UM, TRUMP'S PANICKING. HIS APPROVAL RATING
[00:08:54] IS IN THE TOILET, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES A DESPERATE
[00:08:58] TRUMP DO? LET'S ASK, WE'LL ASK
[00:09:00] MARY IN THE SECOND HOUR. ALSO,
[00:09:02] REPUBLICANS ARE ERASING TRANS PEOPLE FROM THEIR LOG CABIN.
[00:09:06] REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS PRETTY BIZARRE. I'LL SHARE MY THOUGHTS
[00:09:10] ON THAT AND WHY THAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW IT'S PART OF REALLY A
[00:09:13] LARGER PLAN TO, UH, TO, TO DO
[00:09:17] THIS CLASSIC DICTATOR MOVE, WHICH IS IDENTIFY MY, A, MY
[00:09:20] POWERLESS MINORITY GROUP. AND
[00:09:24] DEMONIZE THEM, AND THEN USE THAT TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION AWAY
[00:09:27] FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS YOU'RE DOING THAT THE PEOPLE
[00:09:30] MIGHT NOT LIKE. AND ALSO, IN THE SECOND HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM,
[00:09:33] TRUMP IS ATTACKING CANADA WITH HIS FAVORITE BULLY TACTIC. HE'S.
[00:09:37] NOW HE'S THREATENING TO RENAME LAKE ONTARIO. IT JUST NEVER
[00:09:40] STOPS. AND ALSO, IN THE SECOND HOUR, HERE'S HOW MUCH THE $40
[00:09:44] TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT IS COSTING YOU. IN OUR THIRD HOUR.
[00:09:46] WE'LL HAVE THREE GUESTS TODAY. CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE IS GOING TO
[00:09:50] SHOW UP IN THE FIRST SEGMENT. HE'S GOT THIS ARTICLE SAYING
[00:09:54] THAT BASICALLY EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW CAN AFFORD UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. AND SO
[00:09:58] WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I WAS LIVING IN VERMONT
[00:10:00] WHEN VERMONT TRIED THIS, SO I'VE
[00:10:04] KIND OF BEEN THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, HAD HAD SOME PERSONAL
[00:10:06] EXPERIENCE WITH IT. AND STEVE VLADECK WILL BE WITH US AT THE
[00:10:09] BOTTOM OF THE THIRD HOUR. UH,
[00:10:12] MAKING SENSE OF THE MAIL IN BALLOTS RULING. HE'S AN
[00:10:15] ATTORNEY AND A REAL EXPERT ON THIS STUFF, AND HE'S GOING TO LAY OUT FOR US EXACTLY WHAT
[00:10:19] HAPPENED. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO
[00:10:22] START OUT, THIS, THIS WHOLE
[00:10:24] THING, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH
[00:10:28] DONALD TRUMP, HE ISSUED THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER BACK IN THE
[00:10:32] EARLIER IN THE YEAR, I THINK IT
[00:10:33] WAS IN APRIL. AND THE EXECUTIVE
[00:10:36] ORDER, UH, HAS TWO PARTS TO IT.
[00:10:39] UH, ONE PART DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO COME UP
[00:10:42] WITH A LIST OF APPROVED VOTERS, BASICALLY, TO GET THE VOTER
[00:10:45] REGISTRATIONS FROM ALL THE
[00:10:48] STATES. COMPARE IT WITH CITIZENSHIP RECORDS. AND, UH,
[00:10:52] AND BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN VOTE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN VOTE,
[00:10:55] YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING
[00:10:58] TO TURN OUT, GIVEN HOW POLITICIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN,
[00:11:01] IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TRUMP AND GOP
[00:11:04] CENTRAL. BUT THE SECOND PART OF IT THEN DIRECTS THE POST OFFICE
[00:11:08] TO REFUSE TO DELIVER MAIL IN
[00:11:10] BALLOTS OR PICK UP MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
[00:11:13] ON THAT LIST, AND ORDERS THE STATES TO PUT A BARCODE ON THE
[00:11:17] OUTSIDE OF THE ENVELOPE SO THE MAILMAN CAN IDENTIFY WHETHER OR
[00:11:20] NOT YOU'RE ON THAT LIST. AND
[00:11:23] THAT'S THE PART THAT WENT BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT. AND
[00:11:26] THE SUPREME COURT SAID, WELL,
[00:11:27] BASICALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE
[00:11:32] BASIC ARGUMENT WAS THAT, UH, THE
[00:11:34] POST OFFICE HAS NOT YET PROMULGATED THIS RULE. NOW, KEEP
[00:11:37] IN MIND, THIS CAME DOWN
[00:11:41] YESTERDAY, MONDAY, AND AND THE RULING WAS BECAUSE THE POST
[00:11:44] OFFICE HASN'T YET CREATED THIS
[00:11:46] RULE. THEY HAVEN'T FINALIZED THIS RULE. THEREFORE, THE STATES
[00:11:49] HAVE NOT YET BEEN HARMED, AND THEREFORE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
[00:11:52] STANDING TO SUE. THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE WHAT THE
[00:11:55] SUPREME COURT SAID YESTERDAY,
[00:11:57] WHICH IS BIZARRE BECAUSE ON FRIDAY, KEEP IN MIND, THIS
[00:12:00] RULING CAME DOWN YESTERDAY. BUT
[00:12:02] LAST FRIDAY, THIS. THE POST OFFICE POSTMASTER GENERAL, AND
[00:12:06] THE. AND THE POSTAL BOARD OF GOVERNORS FINALIZED THE RULE.
[00:12:09] TRUMP. TRUMP HAS STACKED THE POSTAL BOARD OF GOVERNORS. HE
[00:12:12] PUT FOUR REPUBLICANS ON IT. AND OF COURSE, HE'S GOT A TOADY
[00:12:15] THERE. NOW, TO A GUY, THE GUY
[00:12:17] WHO REPLACED LOUIS DEJOY. AND
[00:12:21] SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENTIRELY CONCEIVABLE THAT THE POST OFFICE
[00:12:25] WILL ORDER. ITS ITS DELIVERY PEOPLE NOT TO DELIVER BALLOTS TO
[00:12:29] PEOPLE IN STATES THAT REFUSE TO
[00:12:30] GIVE TRUMP HIS LIST, WHICH IS
[00:12:33] PART OF HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MY STATE OF
[00:12:36] OREGON AND THE OTHER FIVE STATES WHERE IT'S NOTHING BUT MAIL IN
[00:12:40] BALLOTS. AND ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HALF A DOZEN STATES WHERE THE
[00:12:44] MAJORITY OF THEM ARE MAIL IN BALLOTS, INCLUDING ALASKA.
[00:12:47] WEIRDLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WILLING TO LET ALASKA TAKE A HIT
[00:12:50] JUST AS LONG AS THEY CAN. THEY
[00:12:52] CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT
[00:12:54] WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. SO JUSTICE
[00:12:57] JACKSON, UH, WROTE A DISSENT
[00:12:59] ABOUT THIS. SHE SAID THIS RULING NEEDLESSLY INJECTS CHAOS AND
[00:13:02] UNCERTAINTY INTO THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS. IT ALSO LETS
[00:13:06] ANOTHER SHOE DROP IN THE KAFKAESQUE NIGHTMARE THAT OUR
[00:13:09] PRECEDENTS HAVE BEEN STEADILY CREATING FOR CERTAIN PLAINTIFFS
[00:13:12] WHO SEEK TO BRING ELECTION RELATED CHALLENGES. NOW, THE PLAINTIFF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT,
[00:13:16] BY AND LARGE, ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR. THAT'S WHO THE VOTING
[00:13:20] RIGHTS ACT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE OF COLOR,
[00:13:22] THAT REPUBLICANS GO AFTER. WHEN
[00:13:25] GEORGE W BUSH WAS RUNNING FOR
[00:13:27] PRESIDENT IN 2000, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH GREG PALACE YESTERDAY. AND THIS IS, YOU
[00:13:31] KNOW, NOT IN DISPUTE, THE BBC
[00:13:33] BROKE THE STORY, BUT IT'S IT'S WELL ESTABLISHED. NOW THAT, YOU
[00:13:37] KNOW, WHEN THAT ELECTION WAS
[00:13:39] HAPPENING, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE
[00:13:44] GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, JEB BUSH, ORDERED HIS SECRETARY OF STATE,
[00:13:48] KATHLEEN HARRIS, TO GET A VOTING
[00:13:50] OR, EXCUSE ME, A FELON LIST FROM
[00:13:53] HIS BROTHER, GEORGE W BUSH, WHO
[00:13:55] WAS THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS FROM
[00:13:58] TEXAS. NOW, A FELON LIST WAS
[00:14:00] HEAVILY BLACK AND HISPANIC. MORE THAN HALF OF ALL TEXAS PEOPLE IN
[00:14:04] TEXAS PRISONS ARE BLACK OR HISPANIC. SO THEY TAKE THIS
[00:14:07] FELON LIST. AND AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, BLACK AND HISPANIC
[00:14:10] PEOPLE DRAW FROM A SMALLER POOL
[00:14:11] OF PEOPLE, UM, HISPANICS. I
[00:14:14] MEAN, WHITE PEOPLE GENERALLY
[00:14:18] REFLECT LITERALLY DOZENS OF LANGUAGES, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT
[00:14:20] CZECH AND GERMAN AND RUSSIAN
[00:14:23] AND, AND POLISH AND FRENCH AND SPANISH AND ENGLISH. AND SO YOU
[00:14:26] GOT ALL THIS HUGE SPECTRUM OF NAMES, HISPANIC PEOPLE. ALL
[00:14:30] THEIR NAMES ARE SPANISH. SO
[00:14:33] THERE'S A MILLION JOSE GARCIAS OUT THERE. SO BASICALLY WHAT
[00:14:36] HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, AND SAME WITH BLACK PEOPLE, A LOT OF
[00:14:40] BLACK PEOPLE TOOK THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO OWNED THEM, WHICH
[00:14:42] WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY
[00:14:44] SMALL POOL OF PEOPLE. AND A LOT WERE NAMED AFTER AMERICAN
[00:14:48] PRESIDENTS. JACKSON, WASHINGTON,
[00:14:49] JEFFERSON. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS IS THAT IF
[00:14:53] YOU TAKE THE FELON LIST FROM TEXAS AND COMPARE IT WITH THE VOTER LIST IN FLORIDA, YOU'RE
[00:14:56] GOING TO DISCOVER A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR NAMES, A
[00:14:59] WHOLE LOT OF JOSE GARCIA'S, AND
[00:15:01] A WHOLE LOT OF JAMES
[00:15:04] WASHINGTON'S. AND THEY WERE PURGED FROM THE VOTING ROLLS,
[00:15:07] 90,000. WELL, GREG YESTERDAY SAID IT WAS OVER 100,000 PEOPLE PURGED FROM THE VOTING ROLLS IN
[00:15:11] FLORIDA JUST BEFORE THE 2000
[00:15:13] ELECTION. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM
[00:15:16] BLACK OR HISPANIC, WHO PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD HAVE
[00:15:19] VOTED DEMOCRATIC. AND THAT'S HOW
[00:15:22] GEORGE W BUSH WON THE 2000
[00:15:24] PRESIDENCY BY 537 VOTES. I MEAN,
[00:15:27] IT'S JUST CRAZY STUFF, RIGHT?
[00:15:29] SO, UH, JUSTICE JACKSON POINTS
[00:15:32] THAT OUT IN, IN HER DISSENT. AND
[00:15:35] THEN SHE GOES ON TO NOTE THAT,
[00:15:38] UH, THIS, THIS DECISION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WAS AFFIRMED BY A,
[00:15:42] THE, THE LOWER COURT DECISION, WHICH, WHICH SAID, NO, YOU
[00:15:46] CAN'T DO THAT. BASICALLY TO THE
[00:15:49] POST OFFICE. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS
[00:15:52] EXECUTIVE ORDER. THAT WAS THAT WAS UPHELD BY AN APPEALS COURT.
[00:15:55] I MEAN, THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING AGAINST A REPUBLICAN
[00:15:59] DOMINATED APPEALS COURT, AND,
[00:16:01] UH, JACKSON PUSHED BACK ON THIS
[00:16:04] WHOLE RATIONALE THAT THE STATES
[00:16:06] WEREN'T HARMED YET. UM, UH,
[00:16:08] ELENA KAGAN AND SONIA SOTOMAYOR ALSO PUSHED BACK ON THIS. BUT
[00:16:12] JACKSON SAID A STATE GRANT, A STAY GRANT PUTS THE PLAINTIFF
[00:16:15] STATES, IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION, THEIR ELECTION OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE TO SCRAMBLE
[00:16:19] IN THE COMING WEEKS TO CHALLENGE OR ATTEMPT TO TAKE ON THE
[00:16:23] POTENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TASK OF COMPLYING WITH THE PRESIDENT'S
[00:16:25] NEW MAIL BALLOT REGIME. AND, SHE
[00:16:28] ADDS, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT'S OBVIOUS GOAL IS TO INTERFERE WITH THE PLAINTIFF STATES
[00:16:32] PRACTICES AND PREROGATIVES, SEE, THE CONSTITUTION ONLY SAYS THAT
[00:16:35] STATES CAN RUN ELECTIONS. THERE'S NOT A WORD ABOUT THE
[00:16:39] PRESIDENT IN A MANNER THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT AUTHORIZE,
[00:16:42] SHE WRITES. IT IS BOTH A SERIOUS
[00:16:45] LEGAL ERROR AND A GRAVE MISUSE OF OUR EQUITABLE EMERGENCY
[00:16:48] POWERS TO LET THE EXECUTIVE POWER PROCEED EVEN ONE STEP
[00:16:51] FURTHER. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THAT CLARENCE
[00:16:55] THOMAS AND JOHN ROBERTS AND SAM ALITO ARE ALL TERRIFIED OF
[00:16:58] DEMOCRATS TAKING OVER THE HOUSE
[00:16:59] OR SENATE, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ON THIS PROGRAM, FOR THAT MATTER,
[00:17:03] RO KHANNA FROM THE HOUSE. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE AND THE
[00:17:06] SENATE HAVE SAID THAT IF THEY TAKE THOSE INSTITUTIONS, EITHER
[00:17:09] ONE OF THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAULING THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES BEFORE THEM TO TALK
[00:17:13] ABOUT THEIR NAKED CORRUPTION.
[00:17:15] JOHN ROBERTS WIFE TAKING $10
[00:17:17] MILLION FROM LAW FIRMS THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THE SUPREME COURT.
[00:17:20] CLARENCE THOMAS TAKING OVER $3 MILLION WORTH OF GIFTS FROM A
[00:17:23] RIGHT WING NAZI MEMORABILIA COLLECTING. UH YOU KNOW HARD
[00:17:27] RIGHT BILLIONAIRE. SO YOU KNOW
[00:17:31] IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL RIGGED TO ME. >> [MUSIC]
[00:17:35] >> WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF THE DAY AND YOUR CALLS. AND MY DAILY TAKE IN JUST
[00:17:38] A MOMENT. STICK AROUND.
[00:17:46] >> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> DEFENDING AMERICA FROM THE
[00:17:50] WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH YOU.
[00:17:53] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[00:18:10] >> AND WELCOME BACK, UH, JACKIE IN PORT ORCHARD, WASHINGTON. HEY, JACKIE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
[00:18:13] TODAY >> YEAH. HEY, TOM. MY HUSBAND
[00:18:16] AND I ENJOY VISITING CANADA AT
[00:18:19] LEAST TWICE EACH YEAR UH,
[00:18:23] CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU SAID ON YOUR BROADCAST YESTERDAY,
[00:18:27] CANADIAN RESTAURANT SERVERS DO EXPECT AND COUNT ON TIPS. A
[00:18:31] QUICK DUCK DUCK GO. >> OH, I NEVER SAID THEY DON'T. WHAT I SAID IS THAT THE TIPS ARE
[00:18:35] TYPICALLY LOWER THAN THEY ARE IN
[00:18:38] THE UNITED STATES >> TRUE. >> OH, REALLY?
[00:18:42] >> WELL, GIVEN THE EXCHANGE RATE, THEY'RE LOWER TECHNICALLY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE. >> TALKING ABOUT. OH, NO. MY MY
[00:18:46] MY. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE I WAS IN CANADA, BUT
[00:18:48] MY, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT
[00:18:52] THEY WERE EXPECTING 10%, NOT THE 20% THAT WE TYPICALLY TIP IN THE UNITED STATES. WAS I WRONG?
[00:18:55] >> OH, NO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
[00:18:58] >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION, JACKIE. >> WE DON'T WANT TO PERPETUATE
[00:19:02] THE, UH, IGNORANT AMERICAN STEREOTYPE.
[00:19:05] >> RIGHT? THERE SO THAT'S WHAT
[00:19:09] YOU CALLED ABOUT? YES. TO SET ME STRAIGHT. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE IT WHEN I
[00:19:13] GET SOMETHING WRONG, I LIKE TO, I LIKE TO KNOW
[00:19:17] >> I APPRECIATE YOUR CALL. THANKS, CHRIS. IN LITTLETON, COLORADO. HEY, CHRIS, WHAT'S ON
[00:19:19] YOUR MIND TODAY YEAH. GOOD
[00:19:22] MORNING. TOM. UM, THERE ARE TWO
[00:19:25] THINGS. UM, NUMBER ONE. UM,
[00:19:29] WELL, TRUMP JUST PUT 50% TARIFF
[00:19:32] ON CANADA. SO, UH, TARIFF TAXES
[00:19:34] PAID BY YOU, THE CONSUMER, ARE
[00:19:36] GIVEN TO THE BILLIONAIRES. IT'S
[00:19:39] THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. WELL, AND
[00:19:42] HE'S INCLUDING PARTNERS. HE'S INCLUDING CARS, BY THE WAY. AND SO A LOT OF THE CARS THAT ARE
[00:19:46] SOLD IN AMERICA ARE ACTUALLY
[00:19:49] MADE IN CANADA. YEAH. AND TRADING PARTNERS PAY THE
[00:19:52] TARIFFS, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, 50%
[00:19:54] EXTRA INTO THE TREASURY AT THE BORDER. THEN THEY RAISE THE
[00:19:57] PRICE ON THE CONSUMERS, 20 OR 30
[00:20:02] OR 50%. AND THE CONSUMERS PAY FOR THE TARIFF COST WHEN THEY
[00:20:06] BUY THE PRODUCT. MHM. AND, UH,
[00:20:08] BY, UH, BY TAX BREAKS. TRUMP
[00:20:11] GIVES AWAY THE TREASURY TO THE
[00:20:14] BILLIONAIRES. MHM. BYE BYE. AND,
[00:20:17] UH. OKAY. NOW, ALSO, THE IRAN
[00:20:21] SANCTIONS. THAT'S NUMBER TWO, IRAN SANCTIONS RAISED THE PRICE
[00:20:24] OF GAS, DOUBLE OR TRIPLE. WELL,
[00:20:27] I RAN IN THE. IT'S. IT HASN'T
[00:20:30] TRIPLED. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS WHEN
[00:20:33] BIDEN LEFT OFFICE. OKAY. I RAN
[00:20:36] IN THE OIL COMPANIES ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK
[00:20:40] WITH THEIR BIG PROFITS. AND THE
[00:20:41] PEOPLE PAY FOR ALL OF IT. THEY
[00:20:44] PAY FOR THE WAR, AND THEY PAY
[00:20:46] FOR THE HIGHER GAS PRICES. MHM.
[00:20:50] YEAH. YEAH. IT'S TRUE. THEY PAY
[00:20:54] FOR BOTH OF IT. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE
[00:20:58] PROBLEM THAT TRUMP HAS RIGHT NOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND NOW ONE
[00:21:02] OF THE STORIES THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING, UM, RAW AMERICA
[00:21:05] WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. I DID THEIR NEWSCAST THIS MORNING. YOU
[00:21:09] CAN SEE THAT AT RAW AMERICA.COM.
[00:21:12] UM, IS THAT THE, TRUMP WAS
[00:21:16] WARNED, EXPLICITLY WARNED BEFORE
[00:21:18] HE STARTED THIS WAR WITH, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH NETANYAHU
[00:21:21] AGAINST IRAN. HE WAS TOLD BY BOTH THE MILITARY AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU DO THIS,
[00:21:24] YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MESS. THE THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO
[00:21:28] CLOSE THE STRAITS OF HORMUZ. EXCUSE ME. AND THEY'RE GOING TO. AND IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA
[00:21:33] JACK UP OIL PRICES ALL AROUND THE WORLD. IT'S GOING TO HURT
[00:21:35] YOU. AND TRUMP WAS LIKE, I DON'T CARE. BIBI TELLS ME THAT
[00:21:39] WE CAN WIN THIS THING, AND I'M GOING TO DO IT. AND, UH, YOU
[00:21:42] KNOW, WE DIDN'T WIN THIS THING. CHRIS, THANKS FOR THE CALL. SPOT
[00:21:46] ON. GOOD, GOOD. GOOD POINTS. ALL. IT'S 20 MINUTES PAST THE
[00:21:49] HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN
[00:21:50] JUST ONE MINUTE. STAY WITH US.
[00:21:53] >> [MUSIC]
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[00:22:31] PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT
[00:22:34] NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE
[00:22:38] ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE,
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[00:22:45] WITH HIS TAKE ON POLITICS,
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[00:23:00] >> [MUSIC]
[00:23:03] >> ALL THIS WEEK, JOIN C-SPAN 2
[00:23:05] AT 6 P.M. EASTERN FOR MARATHON PROGRAMING.
[00:23:08] >> FIVE YEARS SHE'S BEEN WITH
[00:23:10] HIM SINCE HE LEFT HIS LAST TERM.
[00:23:13] WRIGHT. UM THAT THEY'RE
[00:23:17] CONCERNED. THEY CALL IT THE
[00:23:18] NATALIE SITUATION. AND I WOULD
[00:23:21] ARGUE THAT THE WORD THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID, OR THE NAME
[00:23:25] THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID ISN'T SO MUCH NATALIE AS IT IS.
[00:23:27] RASPUTIN. UM, AND I'LL GET TO
[00:23:31] THAT IN JUST A SECOND. UH, BY WAY OF EXPLANATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
[00:23:35] THIS, THIS WOMAN IS, UH. WELL,
[00:23:41] LET ME START OVER. IT'S VERY
[00:23:42] CLEAR THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE DO NOT WANT
[00:23:46] NATALIE HARP TO BE AROUND DONALD TRUMP AS MUCH AS SHE IS. WHEN
[00:23:50] THEY WERE IN BEDMINSTER, THEY
[00:23:55] REFUSED TO GIVE HER A ROOM. SO SHE SLEPT IN THE IN THE LOCKER
[00:23:59] ROOM, APPARENTLY ON THE FLOOR.
[00:24:01] WHEN THEY WERE IN SCOTLAND. THEY
[00:24:04] REFUSED TO GIVE HER A GOLF CART, SO SHE COULDN'T HANG OUT WITH
[00:24:08] TRUMP. SO SHE LITERALLY RAN AND CHASED HIM ALL AROUND THE GOLF
[00:24:11] COURSE FROM HOLE TO HOLE. WHEN
[00:24:14] TRUMP WAS GOING TO HIS RAPE TRIAL, HIS RAPE AND DEFAMATION
[00:24:16] TRIAL IN NEW YORK CITY, SHE WANTED TO BE BY HIS SIDE. AND
[00:24:20] SHE WAS, BY THE WAY. BUT THEY DIDN'T. THEY THEY WOULDN'T GIVE
[00:24:23] HER A SEAT IN ANY OF THE
[00:24:24] LIMOUSINES IN HIS MOTORCADE. AND
[00:24:27] SO SHE HOPPED IN THE TRUNK OF ONE OF THOSE LIMOUSINES AND DROVE TO THE, DROVE TO THE
[00:24:31] TRIAL. AND LET'S NOT FORGET HER
[00:24:34] BEING IN THE FOOD SERVICE CART.
[00:24:38] SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE IN
[00:24:41] THE WHITE HOUSE DON'T WORK THAT HARD TO TRY TO PREVENT SOMEBODY
[00:24:43] FROM HANGING OUT WITH THE PRESIDENT UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY
[00:24:47] WORRIED. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. I DON'T THINK,
[00:24:50] YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HARP IS SOME PASSIVE LITTLE GIRL. I REALIZE
[00:24:54] SHE'S 35, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS KEEPS TREATING HER LIKE
[00:24:57] SHE'S A LITTLE GIRL WITH A DADDY OBSESSION. SHE'S NOT.
[00:25:00] SHE'S A GROWN WOMAN. SHE'S 35
[00:25:01] YEARS OLD. SHE'S. SHE HAS
[00:25:05] STRONG OPINIONS, AND SHE HAS A
[00:25:06] HISTORY IN RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA
[00:25:10] OPERATIONS. AND NOW SHE'S CONTROLLING MUCH OF WHAT TRUMP
[00:25:12] SEES AND READS. AND APPARENTLY
[00:25:14] EVEN WRITES ON HIS NAZI INFESTED
[00:25:18] SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. UM, SHE WAS A HOST ON THE RIGHT WING. ONE
[00:25:21] AMERICA NEWS TV NETWORK. THIS IS
[00:25:23] THE NETWORK THAT RACHEL MADDOW DISCLOSED THAT THEY HAD A PERSON
[00:25:27] ON THEIR PAYROLL WHO WAS ALSO ON MOSCOW'S PAYROLL. UM, AND THEY
[00:25:31] SUED RACHEL FOR $10 MILLION. SHE
[00:25:35] WON BECAUSE IT WAS APPARENTLY TRUE. I CAN'T OFFER AN OPINION ON THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY, YOU
[00:25:38] KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN 2019. SHE WENT ON FOX SO-CALLED
[00:25:42] NEWS AND CLAIMED THAT TRUMP HAD
[00:25:46] SAVED HER LIFE BY SIGNING THIS RIGHT TO TRY LAW THAT ALLOWED
[00:25:49] EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS TO BE MORE,
[00:25:51] MORE LIBERALLY USED. BUT THE
[00:25:54] WASHINGTON POST DUG INTO THAT AND FOUND SHE HAD BONE CANCER,
[00:25:58] AND SHE WAS TREATED WITH A WITH
[00:25:59] A DRUG THAT CURED HER. BUT THE WASHINGTON POST DUG INTO IT AND
[00:26:03] FOUND THAT, NUMBER ONE, SHE HAD STARTED HER BONE CANCER
[00:26:06] TREATMENT TWO MONTHS BEFORE TRUMP SIGNED THAT, THAT, UH,
[00:26:10] EXECUTIVE ORDER, THAT RIGHT TO
[00:26:12] TRY ORDER AND THAT THE DRUG THAT SHE WAS GIVEN HAD ALREADY BEEN
[00:26:15] APPROVED BY THE FDA. IT WASN'T APPROVED FOR BONE CANCER. SHE GOT IT OFF LABEL, BUT THAT HAD
[00:26:19] NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT TO TRY LAWS. SO SHE KIND OF MADE UP
[00:26:22] THE STORY. APPARENTLY, ACCORDING
[00:26:24] TO THE WASHINGTON POST. BUT TRUMP LOVED IT. HE GOT HER TO
[00:26:27] SPEAK AT THE 2020 REPUBLICAN CONVENTION. SHE TOLD THE STORY
[00:26:31] AGAIN ABOUT HOW TRUMP SAVED HER
[00:26:34] LIFE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OFF TO THE RACES. FROM THERE, SHE
[00:26:36] WENT TO ONE AMERICA NETWORK AND
[00:26:39] THEN TO TRUMP. NOW THE RASMUSSEN PART OF RASPUTIN. PART OF THIS
[00:26:42] IS WHAT CONCERNS ME. RASPUTIN
[00:26:45] WAS A PEASANT MONK WHO GOT IN
[00:26:48] TIGHT WITH THE ROMANOV FAMILY,
[00:26:51] UH, CZAR NICHOLAS II AND
[00:26:54] ALEXANDRA, HIS, HIS WIFE, THEY
[00:26:55] HAD A SON WHO WAS HEMOPHILIAC.
[00:26:58] HE, YOU KNOW, EASY BLEEDING. AND
[00:27:02] RASPUTIN APPARENTLY TALKED THEM OUT OF GIVING HIM ASPIRIN, WHICH
[00:27:05] WAS, WHICH WAS A GOOD IDEA.
[00:27:07] DON'T GIVE HIM ASPIRIN. AND SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS MONK HAD
[00:27:11] CURED OR HEALED THEIR SON OR HELPED HIM OUT. AND HE BECAME
[00:27:14] BASICALLY THEIR SOLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. SO A COUPLE OF
[00:27:17] YEARS LATER, IN, IN, UH, YOU
[00:27:20] KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION HAPPENED AND THE
[00:27:23] REVOLUTIONARIES, THE BOLSHEVIKS, SHOWED UP AT THEIR WINTER PALACE
[00:27:26] TO, TO MURDER THE ENTIRE FAMILY. THEY WERE SHOCKED BECAUSE
[00:27:30] RASPUTIN HAD KEPT TELLING THEM, OH, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT OFF
[00:27:33] AT YOU. THE PEOPLE ARE NOT REVOLTING. A DEAR FRIEND OF
[00:27:37] MINE, ARMIN LEHMANN. I WORKED WITH ARMIN BACK IN THE 80s. WE TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD
[00:27:41] TOGETHER FOR TWO YEARS, AND
[00:27:43] ARMIN WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD COURIER WHO BROUGHT HITLER. THE NEWS THAT THE WAR WAS LOST. HE
[00:27:47] WAS IN THE HITLER YOUTH. AND,
[00:27:50] YOU KNOW, HE TOLD ME THAT HITLER, ON THAT DAY WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, HAD MAPS IN FRONT OF
[00:27:54] HIM WITH LITTLE TOY SOLDIERS ALL OVER THEM. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, HIS
[00:27:57] PEOPLE AROUND HIM WERE NOT TELLING HIM THAT THE WAR WAS
[00:28:00] LOST. ARMIN WAS THERE WHEN HITLER COMMITTED SUICIDE, WHEN
[00:28:02] HE KILLED HIMSELF. AND ARMIN WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. YOU CAN
[00:28:06] FIND IT ON AMAZON.COM. IT'S
[00:28:08] CALLED IN HITLER'S FÜHRERBUNKER.
[00:28:11] SO MY CONCERN IS THAT TRUMP IS
[00:28:15] GETTING THIS SAME FILTERED INFORMATION THAT CAUSED THE ROMANOV FAMILY TO NOT REALIZE
[00:28:19] THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE REVOLTING AGAINST THEM, AND CAUSED HITLER
[00:28:22] TO NOT REALIZE THAT THE WAR WAS
[00:28:23] LOST AND THAT THAT IS A DANGER
[00:28:28] NOT JUST TO DONALD TRUMP, BUT
[00:28:31] ALSO AND NOT JUST TO THE GOP. ALTHOUGH I THINK INCREASINGLY,
[00:28:34] REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE REALIZING IT,
[00:28:37] BUT IT'S ALSO A DANGER TO OUR REPUBLIC THAT TRUMP THINKS THAT
[00:28:40] EVERYBODY LOVES HIM. SHE'S APPARENTLY FEEDING HIM THE POLLS
[00:28:43] THAT THAT ACCURATELY SHOW THAT
[00:28:45] 80% OF REPUBLICANS AND 93% OF
[00:28:48] MAGA REPUBLICANS STILL SAY THEY SUPPORT TRUMP. SO THAT'S ALL HE'S LOOKING AT. HE'S NOT
[00:28:52] LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT HIS
[00:28:55] GENERAL SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MAGA FACTION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS JUST SHRUNK
[00:28:59] AND SHRUNK AND SHRUNK AND SHRUNK
[00:29:00] AND SHRUNK. AND, YOU KNOW, HIS
[00:29:04] ACTUAL SUPPORT IS AROUND 33%. >> [MUSIC] >> THIS IS THIS IS, I THINK,
[00:29:07] SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY
[00:29:10] CONCERNED ABOUT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND APPARENTLY SUSIE WILES IS.
[00:29:14] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
[00:29:16] HARTMANN PROGRAM,
[00:29:20] >> [MUSIC] >> CALL 2028089925. >> GOT AN AMAZING, CRAZY ALERT FOR YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK, AND I'LL PICK UP YOUR
[00:29:23] CALLS. STAY WITH US.
[00:29:31] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[00:29:42] >> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH
[00:29:45] WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
[00:29:48] TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES
[00:29:51] JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
[00:29:55] IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE
[00:29:59] POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS
[00:30:03] TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW?
[00:30:06] TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY
[00:30:10] MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE
[00:30:13] WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
[00:30:15] FORD, CALLING HIM THE THE LESS
[00:30:18] CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO
[00:30:21] MAYOR ROB FORD. FORD HAD THREATENED TO CUT OFF
[00:30:24] ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
[00:30:26] CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD
[00:30:28] SAYS ONTARIO POWERS 1.5 MILLION
[00:30:31] HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE
[00:30:32] BORDER, AND EVERYTHING'S ON THE
[00:30:35] TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE
[00:30:38] AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK
[00:30:42] THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME
[00:30:46] MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS A GOVERNOR AND WARNED THAT THE
[00:30:48] CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE
[00:30:51] FAR WORSE. HERE'S WHAT MATTERS. OUR CLOSEST ALLY AND LONGEST
[00:30:54] TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER
[00:30:57] IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
[00:30:59] BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL.
[00:31:01] MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
[00:31:05] 000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE
[00:31:09] BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
[00:31:13] FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
[00:31:16] REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
[00:31:19] DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
[00:31:21] B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
[00:31:25] 2016 AND 2026, AND THE WHOLE THING RUNS THROUGH. HOMELAND
[00:31:28] SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE
[00:31:30] ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
[00:31:34] DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND
[00:31:37] STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
[00:31:39] STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
[00:31:41] 175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
[00:31:45] CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
[00:31:47] POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT
[00:31:50] WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW, PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING IT
[00:31:53] TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
[00:31:57] ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
[00:31:59] TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
[00:32:02] THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON
[00:32:04] CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
[00:32:07] GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY
[00:32:11] COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN
[00:32:14] BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
[00:32:15] BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
[00:32:19] THE REST AROUND 320 TO 380V. THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM
[00:32:22] ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN AND DISABLED
[00:32:25] PEOPLE. A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN DIED IN A
[00:32:29] RICHMOND, KENTUCKY, JAIL IN 2024
[00:32:31] AFTER BEING SHOT SHOCKED 27
[00:32:34] TIMES WITH THE GLOVES AND 13
[00:32:35] MORE TIMES WITH A TASER. TWO OF
[00:32:39] THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND 99 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN ROLNICK
[00:32:42] BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE IS, QUOTE,
[00:32:44] TOO QUICK TO USE FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON ON A
[00:32:48] FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT
[00:32:50] DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
[00:32:52] WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES
[00:32:55] SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS
[00:32:57] REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
[00:33:01] PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
[00:33:05] IMMIGRATION AND THE COST OF
[00:33:07] LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE
[00:33:10] HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
[00:33:14] HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF.
[00:33:16] JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
[00:33:18] SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP
[00:33:22] CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS. KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING,
[00:33:25] JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
[00:33:26] TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY
[00:33:30] CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS
[00:33:34] ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS
[00:33:38] DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
[00:33:39] WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
[00:33:43] WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER
[00:33:45] POLLUTION FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE
[00:33:48] CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
[00:33:51] PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES, HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
[00:33:55] WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
[00:33:58] CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND
[00:34:02] LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY.
[00:34:06] DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND
[00:34:09] HEAVY METALS. SOME DOZENS OF DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY
[00:34:13] CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY
[00:34:17] UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND
[00:34:19] DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE
[00:34:23] CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF
[00:34:27] YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE
[00:34:30] THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT MYSTERY ALERT, WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN
[00:34:34] MOSCOW AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO
[00:34:38] GOVERNMENTS WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY TUESDAY MORNING, A U.S. AIR
[00:34:41] FORCE C-17 GLOBEMASTER CALL
[00:34:44] SIGN. RCH4555. LIFTOFF LIFTED OFF FROM RIGA, LATVIA, AND
[00:34:48] TOUCHED DOWN AT VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW, JUST AFTER TEN
[00:34:52] IN THE MORNING LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT PLAN LISTED NO
[00:34:55] DESTINATION BEFORE RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE
[00:34:58] ANDREWS IN MARYLAND, HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS
[00:35:01] POSTED VIDEO OF A MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE
[00:35:04] KREMLIN, AND YOU GET NOTHING.
[00:35:07] DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN AND YOU GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE HAS NO
[00:35:10] INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE PLANNED THIS
[00:35:14] WEEK. ASK THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE, OR EITHER EMBASSY,
[00:35:17] AND YOU GET SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST
[00:35:21] POSTPONED A MOSCOW TRIP. SO WHO
[00:35:22] FLEW A MILITARY TRANSPORT INTO
[00:35:25] VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY SAY? AND
[00:35:28] THAT'S THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
[00:35:29] TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th, 2026. I'M
[00:35:36] TOM HARTMANN.
[00:35:46] >> [MUSIC] >> IN. >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE
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[00:37:58] Q&A THREE TIME PULITZER PRIZE
[00:38:02] WINNING NEW YORK TIMES PHOTOGRAPHER DOUG MILLS REFLECTS
[00:38:03] ON DECADES COVERING AMERICAN
[00:38:08] POLITICS. HE TALKS ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHING MULTIPLE PRESIDENTS, INCLUDING THE 1992 CLINTON GORE CAMPAIGN, PRESIDENT
[00:38:12] GEORGE W BUSH ON 9/11, AND
[00:38:14] CAPTURING THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP
[00:38:18] IN 2024, WHICH EARNED HIM HIS
[00:38:21] THIRD PULITZER PRIZE. >> I'VE LISTENED TO HIS SPEECH
[00:38:23] ON THE CAMPAIGN HUNDREDS OF TIMES, AND.
[00:38:27] >> EARLIER HAS SUGGESTED THAT IN CANADA, THEY EXPECT YOU TO TIP
[00:38:30] 20%, LIKE THEY DO HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. UH, DURING THE
[00:38:33] BREAK, LOOKED IT UP. AND HERE'S,
[00:38:37] HERE'S WHAT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT
[00:38:40] AI PROGRAMS SAID. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. CANADIAN RESTAURANT
[00:38:44] WORKERS EARN THE STANDARD MINIMUM WAGE, WHICH GENERALLY
[00:38:46] STARTS AROUND $15 AN HOUR. THERE
[00:38:51] IS NO MINIMUM WAGE IN CANADA, UNLIKE THE UNITED STATES, MOST
[00:38:54] CANADIAN PROVINCES DO NOT HAVE A
[00:38:56] LOWER WAGE FOR SERVERS.
[00:38:59] THEREFORE, THE AVERAGE TIP ON A RESTAURANT IN CANADA IS 13%
[00:39:03] NATIONWIDE. THAT'S THE TRUE
[00:39:05] NATIONAL AVERAGE, AND FULLY A
[00:39:08] QUARTER OF CANADIANS, UH, SAY THAT, EXCUSE ME. ONLY A QUARTER
[00:39:11] OF CANADIANS SAY THAT THEY WOULD
[00:39:14] EVER TIP MORE THAN 18%. SO JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, YOU
[00:39:17] CAN LOOK IT UP YOURSELF. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 13% TIP,
[00:39:21] WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PER MY CONVERSATION YESTERDAY. UH, AND
[00:39:25] IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS $3 MINIMUM
[00:39:26] WAGE FOR SERVERS AND THEY DON'T
[00:39:30] $15 MINIMUM WAGE, UH, CRAZY
[00:39:33] ALERT HERE. THIS, THIS IS AN AMAZING STORY. UH, YOU EVER
[00:39:36] HEARD OF OSCAR DE LA HOYA? HE'S A BOXER. AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW
[00:39:40] SPORTS, YOU DON'T FOLLOW BOXING. YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH HIM, BUT HE'S PRETTY, HE'S
[00:39:43] PRETTY FAMOUS GUY. HE HE WON BELTS IN SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT,
[00:39:47] LIGHTWEIGHT, LIGHTWEIGHT, LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT, LIGHT
[00:39:50] MIDDLEWEIGHT, AND MIDDLEWEIGHT CLASSES. AND HE PLAYED GOLF WITH
[00:39:54] TRUMP RECENTLY. AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. THIS IS AN INTERVIEW
[00:39:58] THAT HE DID. HE SAID IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. GOLF IS A GENTLEMAN'S SPORT. YOU DON'T
[00:40:02] LIE ABOUT YOUR SCORE. YOU DON'T LIE ABOUT MOVING YOUR BALL. IT
[00:40:05] GOES TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING
[00:40:08] WITH HERE. UM, APPARENTLY, TRUMP MOVED HIS BALL FROM THE ROUGH
[00:40:11] ONTO THE FAIRWAY. AND HE ALSO SAID THE PRESIDENT, QUOTE, DOES
[00:40:15] NOT COUNT SHOTS THAT LAND IN THE WATER. UH, RICK REILLY WROTE AN
[00:40:19] ENTIRE BOOK ABOUT THIS. HE'S A
[00:40:20] VETERAN SPORTS WRITER ABOUT TRUMP'S HISTORY OF CHEATING IN
[00:40:24] GOLF. HE DESCRIBED A PATTERN OF
[00:40:27] BEHAVIOR HE SAW FIRSTHAND, INCLUDING CLAIMS THAT TRUMP
[00:40:29] DROVE A MODIFIED GOLF CART THAT
[00:40:32] WENT CART THAT WENT FASTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S ON HIS OWN GOLF COURSES. HE COULD CONTROL THIS.
[00:40:35] WHO GOT WHAT CARDS SO THAT HE
[00:40:37] COULD GET TO THE BALL BEFORE
[00:40:40] ANYBODY ELSE SHOWED UP, SO HE
[00:40:42] COULD MOVE IT. HE DOCUMENTS THIS
[00:40:45] IN HIS BOOK, AND, UH, HE ALSO
[00:40:49] SAYS THAT THAT TRUMP WOULD KICK OPPONENTS BALLS INTO SAND TRAPS
[00:40:52] IN HIS BOOK, REILLY RECALLED A ROUND IN LOS ANGELES WHERE TRUMP
[00:40:55] HIT A SHOT INTO A POND. UH, ONLY FOR THE BALL TO MAGICALLY END UP
[00:40:59] ON THE FAIRWAY WHEN ASKED TO. WHEN WHEN REILLY ASKED TRUMP
[00:41:03] WHAT HAPPENED, TRUMP SAID, MUST
[00:41:04] HAVE BEEN THE TIDE SO, YOU KNOW,
[00:41:10] THE GUY CHEATS AT GOLF. HE CHEATS ON HIS WIVES. HE CHEATS. HE CHEATS AT EVERYTHING,
[00:41:14] BASICALLY. SO IT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE US THAT HE'S TRYING TO
[00:41:16] CHEAT AT THIS ELECTION THAT'S
[00:41:18] COMING UP. AND NOW HE'S GOT, YOU
[00:41:20] KNOW, A HANDFUL OF TERRIFIED REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE
[00:41:24] POSSIBILITY OF DEMOCRATS TAKING
[00:41:26] OVER THE HOUSE OR SENATE AND DEMANDING THAT THEY COME AND
[00:41:29] TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS ABOUT THEIR OWN CORRUPTION, ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS TAKING $3
[00:41:33] MILLION IN GIFTS FROM A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE JUST BEFORE HE
[00:41:37] RULED IN CITIZENS UNITED IN A WAY THAT WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT
[00:41:38] RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE, JOHN
[00:41:41] ROBERTS WIFE, TAKING $10 MILLION PLUS FROM LAW FIRMS IN
[00:41:45] WASHINGTON, D.C., THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THE COURT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ANY SAM ALITO
[00:41:49] TAKING GIFTS FROM RIGHT WING FOUNDATIONS AND RIGHT WING
[00:41:53] BILLIONAIRES, THESE ARE THINGS THAT IF THEY HAD BEEN DONE BY
[00:41:56] ANY OTHER FEDERAL JUDGE, WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT JUDGE, NOT JUST
[00:41:59] KICKED OFF THE COURT, BUT IN SOME CASES, EVEN THROWN INTO
[00:42:02] JAIL. THIS IS JUST NAKED CORRUPTION, AND THESE GUYS ARE
[00:42:05] AFRAID OF IT BEING EXPOSED. THEY
[00:42:08] DON'T WANT DEMOCRATS TO TAKE THE HOUSE AND SENATE EITHER. SO
[00:42:11] I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, SHALL WE SAY. SO WHAT'S ON
[00:42:14] YOUR MIND TODAY? LET'S PICK UP SOME CALLS HERE. RUSS IN HICKORY
[00:42:17] HILL, ILLINOIS. HEY, RUSS. WHAT'S UP? THANKS FOR
[00:42:20] LISTENING.
[00:42:22] >> THANKS FOR TAKING MY ON WEST
[00:42:28] VIRGINIA, WYOMING, AND IDAHO. THE ONLY THREE STATES THAT HE'S
[00:42:31] ABOVE 50. BUT YOU TOOK MY
[00:42:33] THUNDER. I, YOU KNOW, THIS COURT
[00:42:36] SYSTEM, WHEN WE GET IN THE PRESIDENCY RIGHT AWAY. OH, NO,
[00:42:39] NO, HE CAN'T EVEN FLUSH A
[00:42:41] TOILET. I TOOK THE CALL. WE
[00:42:45] ARREST THEM AS TRAITORS. THEY
[00:42:47] SEND THEM DOWN TO GUANTANAMO ONE
[00:42:51] STANDS TRIAL SEPARATE. THEY MIGHT. YOU KNOW, HE SAYS IT'S A LITTLE THING. WE GOT TO SHOW THE
[00:42:54] DEMOCRATIC BASE. WE'RE NOT
[00:42:58] STAND FOR THIS OR GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER AND JUST SAY, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY,
[00:43:01] SUPREME COURT, I'M GOING TO GIVE STUDENT DEBT THEIR FREEDOM.
[00:43:04] YOU DON'T LIKE IT? TRY ME ON
[00:43:10] TOM AND ROBERTS IS WORRIED ABOUT
[00:43:11] HIS IMAGE DID, RIGHT? VOTING
[00:43:17] RIGHT IN TIME, HE'S GOING TO
[00:43:23] SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T FINGER AND
[00:43:29] THEN PUT HIM IN PRISON? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM
[00:43:31] TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS AS A STARTING POINT. I THINK THAT
[00:43:35] WOULD BE VERY, UH, BOTH ENTERTAINING AND ENLIGHTENING.
[00:43:38] BUT YOUR, YOUR ATTITUDE OR YOUR OPINION, RUSS, I THINK, IS ONE
[00:43:40] THAT IS WIDELY SHARED ACROSS THE
[00:43:43] DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ACROSS
[00:43:45] INCREASINGLY LARGE NUMBERS OF INDEPENDENTS AND EVEN A LARGE
[00:43:48] SECTOR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
[00:43:50] THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOW JOINED THINGS LIKE THE LINCOLN PROJECT
[00:43:53] AND, AND JUST HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M A NEVER-TRUMP
[00:43:56] REPUBLICAN, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE DAVID JOLLY
[00:44:00] BECOMING A DEMOCRAT AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND I REALLY AND
[00:44:03] I THINK THIS IS THIS IS WHY
[00:44:07] YOU'VE GOT HAKEEM JEFFRIES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BEGGING OUR FORGIVENESS FOR
[00:44:10] HAVING HIS MEETINGS WITH JARED KUSHNER AND SAYING, I'M GOING TO HOLD THESE GUYS TO ACCOUNT. DON'T YOU WORRY. BECAUSE
[00:44:14] PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANT ACTUAL
[00:44:16] CHANGE. PEOPLE WANT US. REVENGE
[00:44:21] IS THE WRONG WORD HERE. PEOPLE WANT OUR GOVERNMENT TO WORK FOR
[00:44:24] US AGAIN, RATHER THAN JUST THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY AND THE
[00:44:28] BILLIONAIRES. >> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
[00:44:30] THESE DOCTRONIC JEFFRIES AND
[00:44:33] CHUCK SCHUMER ARE GOING TO BE GONE. I HEARD THAT'S WHY THEY
[00:44:37] DON'T WANT. >> I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN TROUBLE.
[00:44:41] >> THEY'RE GOING. >> TO NOT. NO, I GET IT RIGHT. >> THEY DON'T WANT THESE TWO.
[00:44:43] YEAH. THIS GUY JEFFRIES AIN'T
[00:44:45] WHAT WE THOUGHT HE WAS. I KNOW.
[00:44:48] >> MAYBE MAYBE NOT. WE'LL SEE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ODDS ARE HE
[00:44:51] WILL END UP SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IF. >> I'M NOT CRAZY. >> NO, NO.
[00:44:54] >> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THESE GUYS. >> I GET IT, RUSS. I GOT TO MOVE
[00:44:58] ALONG. THANKS FOR THE CALL. STEVE. IN OKLAHOMA CITY,
[00:45:01] OKLAHOMA. HEY, STEVE, WHAT'S ON
[00:45:05] YOUR MIND TODAY? STEVE IN
[00:45:10] OKLAHOMA CITY. UH, STEVE IS ON LINE THREE. MATTEI. IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE,
[00:45:14] LET'S TRY SUSIE IN WILLITS, CALIFORNIA. HEY, SUSIE, WHAT'S
[00:45:16] ON YOUR MIND TODAY? ARE WE THERE
[00:45:21] YOU ARE, SUSIE. OKAY. HEY
[00:45:29] >> GUESS I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MY HUSBAND THE OTHER NIGHT,
[00:45:32] AND, UH, I SAID, WHY ARE YOU A
[00:45:36] REPUBLICAN? HE COULDN'T ANSWER
[00:45:38] ME, AND I YOU DIDN'T ANSWER ME
[00:45:45] EITHER. >> OUCH.
[00:45:47] >> ALL OF HIS MALE FRIENDS THAT
[00:45:49] ARE UNEDUCATED. I MEAN, NOT
[00:45:51] COLLEGE. THEY ALL FEEL THE SAME
[00:45:56] WAY. >> WHICH IS. >> YOU KNOW, AND.
[00:45:57] >> THAT THE REPUBLICANS.
[00:46:01] >> WELL SO I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO
[00:46:05] COLLEGE, UH, MEN THAT HAD TO
[00:46:08] COMPETE WITH ME ACADEMICALLY
[00:46:11] WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE MEN THAT
[00:46:15] NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE. I MEAN,
[00:46:17] HUGE DIFFERENCE. >> MHM. >> SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, LIKE,
[00:46:21] WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER ME? WHY ARE YOU REPUBLICAN?
[00:46:24] >> YEAH. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN
[00:46:27] YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND, >> OH, NO, NO, NO, I'M JUST
[00:46:31] SAYING THAT IT MALE CULTURE.
[00:46:36] LIKE RAPE, IS EPIC. AND, YOU
[00:46:39] KNOW, ALL THESE MEN ARE. THAT
[00:46:44] FRIENDS OF HIM. THEY. THEY NEVER HAD. >> WELL, TRUMP IS A RAPIST. SO,
[00:46:46] OF COURSE, OF COURSE, PEOPLE WHO ARE FOND OF RAPE CULTURE WOULD
[00:46:50] WOULD BE GUNG FOR TRUMP. I MEAN,
[00:46:52] THE GUY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT JURIES FOUND THAT HE
[00:46:55] RAPED E. JEAN CARROLL, AND HE OWES HER MONEY FOR IT. SO, YOU
[00:46:59] KNOW, WE'VE GOT A RAPIST AS.
[00:47:00] >> A PRESIDENT.
[00:47:04] >> [MUSIC] >> OF THE MEGA MEN ARE MEN. THE
[00:47:06] ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, INVADED THE
[00:47:10] CAPITOL. THEY'RE ALL MEN. >> YEAH. NO, I GET IT. I GET IT, SUSIE. I GOT TO RUN. THERE
[00:47:14] ACTUALLY WERE A FEW WOMEN THERE,
[00:47:16] TOO. BUT I GET YOUR POINT. THANK
[00:47:20] YOU. >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THOM HARTMANN. VISIT THOM HARTMANN.COM FOR AUDIO AND
[00:47:24] VIDEO. ARCHIVE. >> 45 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR, PICKING UP YOUR CALLS. I'LL BE
[00:47:27] RIGHT BACK WITH YOU.
[00:47:30] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[00:47:46] >> AND WELCOME BACK, MILDRED IN ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO. HEY, MILDRED. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
[00:47:49] TODAY?
[00:47:52] >> ABOUT THE ELECTION. I HAVE A
[00:47:54] VERY STRONG CONCERN THE
[00:47:59] ELECTIONS. AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS, TOO. YOU MENTIONED IT MANY
[00:48:02] TIMES. AL GORE WON LOST AGAINST
[00:48:10] BUSH BY A SMALL MARGIN. HILLARY
[00:48:15] CLINTON WON 3 MILLION POPULAR
[00:48:17] VOTES AGAINST ELIAS TOLD HER NOT
[00:48:23] TO CONTEST PAMELA HARRIS, UH,
[00:48:26] LOST TO TRUMP. AND THERE WERE REPORTS REPORTING TO THAT
[00:48:30] CAMPAIGN THAT THERE WAS ELECTION ANOMALIES. OKAY. NOW, WHAT I'M
[00:48:34] GOING TO GO TO RIGHT NOW IS
[00:48:53] AUDIT
[00:49:14] SAY THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE
[00:49:16] LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY TO THIS
[00:49:19] COVER, INCLUDING TRANSNATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATES. NOW
[00:49:22] I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THIEL.
[00:49:27] PALANTIR. >> YEAH, NO, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE
[00:49:31] CONSPIRACY PANOPLY HERE.
[00:49:33] MILDRED. UM, I THINK THAT, AND AN AWFUL LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN
[00:49:36] BY THE FACT THAT THE POLLING WAS
[00:49:38] SHOWING THAT TRUMP WAS GOING TO LOSE AND LOSE BAD, AND THAT, IN
[00:49:42] FACT, HE WON. AND HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? WELL, THE WAY YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT IS WHAT
[00:49:46] GREG PAULUS WAS TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY. THE REPUBLICANS
[00:49:49] KNOCKED 4.7 MILLION PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS OR REFUSED TO
[00:49:52] TO ALLOW THEIR VOTES TO BE COUNTED. AND THOSE WERE
[00:49:56] PRINCIPALLY BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IN BIG CITIES, IN IN RED
[00:49:58] STATES. AND THAT WAS WHAT PROVIDED THE MARGIN OF VICTORY
[00:50:02] FOR DONALD TRUMP. AND THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T WANT TO
[00:50:06] JUST DROP 4.7 PEOPLE, MILLION PEOPLE, OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. HE WANTS TO KNOCK TEN, 15, 20
[00:50:10] MILLION PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. HIS SAFE ACT WOULD MAKE
[00:50:12] IT SO THAT ANY MARRIED WOMAN WHO CHANGED HER NAME, BUT, BUT HADN'T GONE BEFORE, A JUDGE
[00:50:16] WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE. THAT'S ABOUT 80 MILLION AMERICAN WOMEN, UM, THAT GET
[00:50:20] KNOCKED OFF THE VOTING ROLLS.
[00:50:23] UM, AND HIS POST OFFICE THING,
[00:50:25] WHERE HE'S GOING TO COMPARE THE NAMES OF NONCITIZENS TO THE NAMES OF VOTERS AND SAY, OH, IF
[00:50:29] YOU GOT THE SAME NAME, YOU MUST NOT BE A CITIZEN. UH, YOU KNOW,
[00:50:33] THAT'S GOING TO KNOCK MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON, MILDRED. I MEAN, YOU DON'T NEED
[00:50:36] ELABORATE CONSPIRACY THEORIES TO EXPLAIN THIS.
[00:50:40] >> WELL, I DO BELIEVE THAT
[00:50:42] BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED
[00:50:44] ABOUT A LOT OF THE VOTING EQUIPMENT IS OWNED BY
[00:50:48] REPUBLICANS. >> THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. DOMINION HAS BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY A BY A
[00:50:52] RIGHT WING GUY. YEAH.
[00:50:55] >> AND IN 2004, WITH, UH, KERRY
[00:50:58] VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH,
[00:51:01] SHUNTING OF VOTES TO TENNESSEE,
[00:51:05] OFF TO, UH, KARL ROVE IN, UH
[00:51:10] >> THE OHIO COUNT WAS, WAS SHUT DOWN AT 11:00 AT NIGHT AND SENT
[00:51:13] OFF TO TENNESSEE. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT. OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE REPORTING SAYS.
[00:51:17] AND I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT THAT
[00:51:19] ELECTION WAS FLAWED AND THAT AND
[00:51:22] THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY SKEEZY GOING ON IN OHIO. I'M
[00:51:24] WITH YOU ON THAT ONE, MILDRED. THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. I GOT TO
[00:51:27] RUN. IT'S 49 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN
[00:51:30] 60s. STAY TUNED.
[00:51:34] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[00:51:56] [MUSIC]
[00:52:01] >> HEY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING OUR PROGRAM AND FOR
[00:52:03] REACHING OUT TO OUR STATIONS AND
[00:52:06] SPONSORS AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT YOU'RE LISTENING. IT
[00:52:08] REALLY MEANS A LOT TO US. JODEY ARRINGTON, ONE OF THE TOP
[00:52:12] REPUBLICANS ON THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE, SAID EARLIER THIS
[00:52:15] MONTH. THE NATIONAL DEBT IS THE
[00:52:19] UNITED STATES'S NEXT GREAT WAR. HE'S TALKING ABOUT OUR $38
[00:52:22] TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT AND THE
[00:52:25] $1 TRILLION ANNUAL INTEREST PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON
[00:52:28] THAT DEBT. NOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU ADD UP.
[00:52:31] >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
[00:52:35] SIMULCASTS FEATURING VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN POLITICS, AT 9
[00:52:39] A.M. EASTERN, MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL SMERCONISH
[00:52:42] PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR
[00:52:47] THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE
[00:52:50] ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE,
[00:52:53] CONSERVATIVE RADIO HOST HOWIE CARR HOSTS THE HOWIE CARR SHOW
[00:52:57] WITH HIS TAKE ON POLITICS, CULTURE AND THE NEWS OF THE DAY.
[00:53:01] WATCH LIVE THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN.
[00:53:04] TWO C-SPAN NOW, OUR FREE MOBILE
[00:53:05] VIDEO APP, OR ONLINE AT
[00:53:09] C-SPAN.ORG ALL THIS WEEK, JOIN
[00:53:16] C-SPAN 2 AT 6 P.M. EASTERN FOR MARATHON PROGRAMING, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF.
[00:53:19] >> THE MOST. I'M JUST. THIS
[00:53:24] REPUBLICAN SUPREME THE MAIL IN
[00:53:26] BALLOTS AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST
[00:53:30] COMMUNICATE BETTER AND JUST START CALLING THESE SUPREME
[00:53:33] COURT JUSTICES CRIMINALS.
[00:53:35] THEY'RE GUILTY OF CONSPIRING
[00:53:40] UM, AND WE'VE HAD NOW ARE THE
[00:53:48] MOST RIDICULOUS ABUSES OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW I'VE EVER
[00:53:52] SEEN. AND THE SUPREME COURT
[00:53:54] JUSTICES, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR
[00:53:56] IT ANYWAY. AND WHEN THEY TOOK ON
[00:53:58] THE IMMUNITY CASE GARLAND SHOULD
[00:54:02] HAVE IMMEDIATELY DEMANDED THAT
[00:54:09] PROVIDE THE REASONING WITHIN 24 HOURS, AND THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE
[00:54:12] BEEN INDICTED AND GONE TO A GRAND JURY, AND IT WOULD HAVE
[00:54:14] TAKEN FIVE MINUTES FOR A JURY TO
[00:54:16] CONVICT THEM OF CONSPIRING TO
[00:54:19] OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT I HEAR
[00:54:22] THIS CASE OF PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST SAD
[00:54:26] TO SAY, BUT IT'S BLATANTLY
[00:54:27] CLEAR. AND THE DEMOCRATS DON'T
[00:54:30] WANT TO CONFRONT THIS ISSUE HEAD
[00:54:32] ON THE WAY THEY NEED TO. YEAH,
[00:54:34] THEY ARE CRIMINALS. AND IT'S
[00:54:37] VERY CLEAR, AFTER ALL THESE
[00:54:39] CASES, THAT THEY'VE STATED
[00:54:43] THESE CASES, SUCH AS BIRTHRIGHT,
[00:54:45] CITIZENSHIP, CITIZENSHIP, JUST
[00:54:49] VIOLATE DISBARRED OR CHARGED FOR
[00:54:54] OBSTRUCTION
[00:54:57] >> I GET YOUR OUTRAGE, JOE. I
[00:54:59] WOULDN'T CALL THEM CRIMINALS. I WOULD CALL THEM CORRUPT. AND I
[00:55:03] REALLY THINK THAT ROBERTS,
[00:55:04] ALITO, AND, AND THOMAS SHOULD BE
[00:55:07] IMPEACHED. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE.
[00:55:10] >> I THINK THAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS. AND THEY. AND ROBERTS
[00:55:13] RECORDS SHOULD BE A GOOD CHANCE
[00:55:16] THAT HE WAS THREATENED OR
[00:55:18] THERE'S SOME BRIBERY. I THINK.
[00:55:20] >> I THINK HE CLEARLY LIED TO CONGRESS IN 2005, WHEN HE SAID
[00:55:23] HE WAS OKAY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AFTER HE HAD WRITTEN
[00:55:26] OVER 20 MEMOS WORKING FOR RONALD REAGAN, SAYING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS A TERRIBLE THING. DON'T
[00:55:29] DO IT. DON'T SIGN IT, YOU KNOW, BLAH DE BLAH, DE BLAH, OR, YOU KNOW, FIGHT IT AND FIGHT IT ALL
[00:55:33] THE WAY. JOE, THANKS. THANKS FOR THE CALL. IT'S GOOD. GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.
[00:55:37] DEE IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA. HEY,
[00:55:39] D, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY
[00:55:47] >> REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SHOW
[00:55:47] AND THE INFORMATION LITTLE BIT
[00:55:51] ABOUT A COMMENT YOU MADE EARLIER ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS TAKING
[00:55:55] ON THE NAME OF THOSE WHO OWN
[00:55:57] THEM. ASK THAT YOU AND YOUR
[00:56:03] LISTENERS, AND ALL OF US, UM,
[00:56:06] CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE. DO NOT USE THAT LANGUAGE. I DON'T BELIEVE
[00:56:09] THAT WHEN YOU KIDNAP. >> SOMEONE, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAID AT THE TIME.
[00:56:11] >> D AND THE SUPREME COURT.
[00:56:16] RULED THAT IN. >> WRIGHT IN 1856, WHO MADE THAT? DRED SCOTT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE PEOPLE WHO
[00:56:19] WANTED TO ENSLAVE MADE THE LAW
[00:56:22] ENSLAVING LAW. RIGHT. BUT WE SEE NOW, TODAY, LAW IS ONLY AS
[00:56:26] EFFECTIVE WE HAVE A LAW NOW THAT
[00:56:30] OUR PRESIDENT AND THIS ADMINISTRATION ARE NOT
[00:56:33] FOLLOWING. SO JUST BECAUSE EXCUSE. BECAUSE HUMANS MAKE.
[00:56:37] >> THE LAW. OKAY. I'LL BE I'LL BE MORE CAREFUL WITH MY LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK
[00:56:40] YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT. TOM AND MOSSY HEAD,
[00:56:44] FLORIDA. HEY, TOM, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HEY, TOM. YOU KNOW, FOR
[00:56:47] YEARS, I'VE BEEN KIND OF PICKING THE BRAINS OF THESE RIGHT
[00:56:51] WINGERS AROUND HERE IN THE
[00:56:51] PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA. AND, ME OR
[00:56:58] NOT. >> I REMEMBER YOU WELL, TOM.
[00:57:01] >> OKAY, GREAT. UH THAT LITTLE,
[00:57:03] UH CONVENIENCE STORE THAT'S
[00:57:07] TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
[00:57:08] LIKE IN THERE THE OTHER DAY.
[00:57:12] THESE, UH, RIGHT WINGERS ARE SITTING THERE YAPPING AWAY, AND I KIND OF EASED OVER THERE AND
[00:57:16] GOT TALKING WITH THEM, AND THEY
[00:57:20] WERE DISCUSSING FAUCI, WHICH I'M VERY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
[00:57:23] WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED THERE, BUT THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT, UH,
[00:57:27] THE WHOLE COVID THING WAS FAUCI'S FAULT. HE WENT OVER
[00:57:31] THERE, HE INVENTED IT, AND HE'S
[00:57:34] RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S DEATHS.
[00:57:36] >> YEAH. NONE OF THAT IS TRUE.
[00:57:39] >> YOU INFORMATION.
[00:57:44] >> ON THIS IS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT
[00:57:46] THE UNITED STATES HAD THE WORST
[00:57:48] OR ARGUABLY SECOND WORST. PERU, THE GUY WHO WAS RUNNING PERU, I
[00:57:52] THINK IT WAS FUJIMORI AT THE
[00:57:54] TIME. UM, ACTUALLY DENIED THAT COVID EVEN EXISTED THROUGHOUT
[00:57:58] THE ENTIRE PANDEMIC. PERU, I THINK, HAD THE WORST COVID DEATH
[00:58:00] RATE. WE HAD THE SECOND WORST IN THE WORLD. AND IT'S BECAUSE
[00:58:04] TRUMP BUNGLED THE WHOLE THING. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FAUCI. FAUCI WAS, YOU KNOW, ARGUING
[00:58:07] THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MASKS AND WE
[00:58:09] SHOULD HAVE SHUTDOWNS. TRUMP HAD
[00:58:12] A SHUTDOWN THAT LASTED FOR A
[00:58:15] MONTH, FROM MARCH 15th OR MARCH 12th UNTIL APRIL 14th. I THINK IT WAS. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN
[00:58:19] APRIL WAS THAT THE ON THE 11th OR 12th OF APRIL, THE NEW YORK
[00:58:23] TIMES FRONT PAGE STORY WAS THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE MORE LIKELY TO
[00:58:25] DIE FROM COVID THAN WHITE PEOPLE, WHICH MAKES SENSE. BLACK
[00:58:29] PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM EVERYTHING THAN WHITE
[00:58:31] PEOPLE BECAUSE OF DECADES,
[00:58:34] CENTURIES OF DISCRIMINATION, YOU KNOW, OF POVERTY AND PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM GETTING HEALTH CARE
[00:58:38] AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND BUT
[00:58:41] ALSO, THEY WERE HAVING AND BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION, THEY
[00:58:44] HELD JOBS THAT WERE KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN, WHERE THEY WERE MORE LIKELY TO,
[00:58:47] YOU KNOW, BE IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INFECT THEM, YOU KNOW, BUS
[00:58:51] DRIVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR WORKING IN, IN MEATPACKING
[00:58:53] PLANTS OR IN FACTORIES. AND SO TRUMP IS LOOKING TO PIN THE
[00:58:57] BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE, AND HE'S TRYING TO BLAME IT ON
[00:58:59] FAUCI. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT WINGERS ARE GOING ALONG
[00:59:02] WITH IT. ANTHONY FAUCI WAS THE HERO OF THIS. HE WAS NOT THE
[00:59:06] GOAT. AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE LEARNED THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE MORE
[00:59:10] LIKELY TO DIE. THAT WAS WHEN HE ENDED THE THE SHUTDOWNS AND
[00:59:13] SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH EVERYBODY BACK INTO THE MARKET, INTO THE WORKPLACE, BECAUSE
[00:59:17] IT'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY BLACK PEOPLE DYING. IT WAS JUST A PURE
[00:59:20] RACIST PLAY. THANKS A LOT FOR
[00:59:22] THE CALL, TOM. 57 MINUTES PAST .
[00:59:27] >> [MUSIC]
[00:59:27] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO TOM
[00:59:31] HARTMAN.
[00:59:57] >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE
[01:00:00] BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
[01:00:02] SIMULCAST FEATURING VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN POLITICS AT 9
[01:00:05] A.M. EASTERN. MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL SMERCONISH
[01:00:09] PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT
[01:00:12] NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE
[01:00:16] ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE,
[01:00:19] CONSERVATIVE RADIO HOST HOWIE CARR HOSTS THE HOWIE CARR SHOW
[01:00:22] WITH HIS TAKE ON POLITICS, CULTURE AND THE NEWS OF THE DAY.
[01:00:26] WATCH LIVE THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN
[01:00:30] 2. C-SPAN NOW, OUR FREE MOBILE
[01:00:32] VIDEO APP, OR ONLINE AT
[01:00:37] C-SPAN.ORG.
[01:00:38] >> [MUSIC]
[01:00:42] >> ALL THIS WEEK, JOIN C-SPAN 2 AT 6 P.M. EASTERN FOR MARATHON PROGRAMING, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF
[01:00:45] THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL,
[01:00:47] COMPELLING, AND MEMORABLE
[01:00:50] MOMENTS COVERED BY C-SPAN IN 2026. TODAY, A COLLECTION OF
[01:00:53] CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY, SCRUTINIZED
[01:00:56] IMPORTANT ISSUES, AND CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY.
[01:00:59] WEDNESDAY. A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION, AND
[01:01:03] ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN
[01:01:06] SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR SOME OF
[01:01:10] THIS YEAR'S MOST WATCHED, MOST
[01:01:12] TALKED ABOUT, AND MOST MEMORABLE
[01:01:14] C-SPAN PROGRAMING THAT CAPTURED PUBLIC ATTENTION. AND ON FRIDAY,
[01:01:18] SUPREME COURT JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES, THE
[01:01:21] CONSTITUTION, THE COURT, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THE
[01:01:24] NATION'S HIGHEST COURT. WATCH A MARATHON OF COMPELLING
[01:01:28] PROGRAMING. ALL THIS WEEK ON
[01:01:32] C-SPAN, TWO.
[01:01:37] >> WE LOOK BACK ON WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT
[01:01:41] MAKES YOU THE HAPPIEST OF WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR. >> THIS INTERVIEW IS THE
[01:01:44] ABSOLUTE APEX. >> LEADERS SEEM TO LIKE TO WEAR
[01:01:48] WIGS. HOW COME HE DIDN'T HAVE A WIG? PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID, I MADE A MISTAKE THE FIRST TIME. I
[01:01:51] SHOULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU THE FIRST TIME. >> THAT ISN'T WHAT HE SAID.
[01:01:55] >> YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED A
[01:01:56] TIME TO KILL. HOW MANY PUBLISHERS.
[01:02:00] >> AND TELEVISION AUDIENCE WILL JOIN US IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
[01:02:02] SIX MINUTES? UH, MARY TRUMP IS
[01:02:04] GOING TO BE WITH US, IN FACT, IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. YOU KNOW,
[01:02:08] WHEN THE OFFICIAL BEGINNING OF THE SHOW BEGINS, UH, NORMALLY
[01:02:12] RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A NEWSCAST, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ON C-SPAN,
[01:02:15] THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE WEEK, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI TO THE
[01:02:18] AUDIENCE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT,
[01:02:21] UM, TRUMP, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY FIRST HOUR, I WAS TALKING
[01:02:25] ABOUT NATALIE HARP AND I WROTE
[01:02:27] THIS OP ED, YOU CAN FIND IT OVER HARTMAN REPORT.COM. IT'S ALSO
[01:02:30] OVER AT THE TOP OF DAILYKOS
[01:02:31] RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT IN MY MIND,
[01:02:34] NATALIE HARP IS A DANGER TO
[01:02:38] TRUMP AND TO OUR REPUBLIC BECAUSE OF HER INFLUENCE OVER
[01:02:42] TRUMP, BECAUSE SHE'S, SHE'S BASICALLY THE FILTER THROUGH
[01:02:46] WHICH EVERYTHING RUNS. AND SHE USED TO BE A RIGHT WING
[01:02:49] PROPAGANDIST ON ONE AMERICAN
[01:02:52] NEWS. AND, UH, AND HAS BEEN ON FOX AND STUFF. I MEAN, SHE'S,
[01:02:55] SHE'S JUST DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN THIS RIGHT WING SPHERE. SHE WAS
[01:02:58] RAISED BY A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN MOTHER AND FATHER. HER
[01:03:02] FATHER COMMITTED SUICIDE. IT'S
[01:03:03] JUST A WHOLE WEIRD STORY. HER
[01:03:06] BROTHER ALSO LOVES DICTATORS. HE'S A SANDINISTA. HE'S GONE
[01:03:09] TO THE LEFT FOR DICTATORS. SHE'S GONE TO THE RIGHT FOR DICTATORS. BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU
[01:03:12] KNOW, IT'S JUST WEIRD. AND
[01:03:16] SHE'S FEEDING HIM INFORMATION THAT'S JUST NOT THERE. I MEAN,
[01:03:19] YES, DONALD TRUMP DOES HAVE A
[01:03:22] 92% APPROVAL RATING WITH
[01:03:24] REPUBLICANS WHO CALL THEMSELVES MAGGOTS. AND, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS
[01:03:28] OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT. AND HE'S
[01:03:31] GOT A ROUGHLY 80% APPROVAL RATING AMONG REPUBLICANS MORE
[01:03:34] GENERALLY, WHICH HAS BEEN
[01:03:36] DECLINING. BUT IT'S STILL QUITE
[01:03:39] SUBSTANTIAL. WHAT. AND THAT'S APPARENTLY WHAT WHAT SHE'S
[01:03:43] FEEDING HIM, WHAT HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE'S A
[01:03:47] LARGER PICTURE HERE THAT INDEPENDENTS HAVE JUST FLED HIM,
[01:03:50] THAT THE REPUBLICAN ELECTORATE
[01:03:54] IS SHRINKING THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED REPUBLICANS, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL A
[01:03:57] POLLSTER THAT THEY IDENTIFY AS
[01:04:01] REPUBLICANS HAS COLLAPSED. AND THAT DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT
[01:04:05] VOTING. AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO ADD UP TO A REAL MESS.
[01:04:09] BUT HERE'S HERE'S TRUMP IN
[01:04:12] ONLY THREE STATES. DOES HE HAVE MORE THAN 50% SUPPORT? IDAHO,
[01:04:14] WEST VIRGINIA, AND WYOMING, EVERYWHERE ELSE, HE'S
[01:04:18] UNDERWATER. AND SO WHAT DOES TRUMP POST OVER ON HIS NAZI
[01:04:20] INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THIS MORNING THE RADICAL LEFT
[01:04:23] DEMOCRATS ARE GOING CRAZY WITH
[01:04:25] FAKE POLLS. ACTUALLY, THIS WAS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. MY
[01:04:29] APOLOGIES. HE SAYS. THEY'RE PUTTING THEM OUT AT LEVELS NEVER
[01:04:31] SEEN BEFORE. THEY'RE CALLED
[01:04:34] DEMORALIZATION OPERATIONS, WHERE THEY TRY TO DEMORALIZE REPUBLICANS SO THEY WON'T GO
[01:04:37] OUT AND VOTE. BUT THE ACTUAL POLLS ARE TREMENDOUS. AND THE
[01:04:41] SPIRIT IN OUR COUNTRY HAS NEVER
[01:04:42] BEEN HIGHER. SEE THIS? THIS IS
[01:04:47] THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, CONCERN. OH, AND HE ADDS, WE'RE
[01:04:51] WINNING AGAINST EVERYONE, INCLUDING IRAN, WHOSE COUNTRY IS
[01:04:53] IN AN ECONOMIC AND MILITARY DEATH SPIRAL. WELL, WE'RE NOT
[01:04:57] WINNING AGAINST IRAN. AND, YOU
[01:04:59] KNOW, TRUMP IS NOT, YOU KNOW,
[01:05:03] BELOVED ACROSS, ACROSS, ACROSS
[01:05:06] THE THE UNIVERSE. I MEAN, THE SIMPLE REALITY IS THAT, EVEN
[01:05:10] EVEN REPUBLICANS ARE TURNING
[01:05:11] AGAINST HIM. AND IT'S. THIS IS
[01:05:17] CONCERNING. YOU KNOW, I TOLD THE STORY IN THE IN THE FIRST HOUR,
[01:05:19] AND I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING
[01:05:22] THAT THERE WAS THIS GUY NAMED RASPUTIN. HE WAS THIS KIND OF MAD MONK, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK AT
[01:05:26] THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 20th CENTURY, WHO WAS, WHO
[01:05:29] CONVINCED THE ROMANOV FAMILY, WHOSE FAMILY HAD RULED RUSSIA
[01:05:33] FOR THREE CENTURIES AT THAT POINT, CONVINCED THIS FAMILY,
[01:05:37] UH, CZAR ALEXANDER AND, AND CZAR
[01:05:41] NICHOLAS. AND TSARINA ALEXANDRA.
[01:05:44] UM, THAT HE COULD HEAL THEIR
[01:05:47] HEMOPHILIAC SON. AND APPARENTLY, WHAT HE DID WAS HE GOT THEM TO
[01:05:50] STOP GIVING THEIR KID ASPIRIN.
[01:05:52] BUT, UM, HE ALSO BECAME THE FILTER THROUGH WHICH THEY GOT
[01:05:56] ALL THEIR NEWS AND ALL THEIR INFORMATION. AND SO THE TWO
[01:06:00] YEARS LEADING UP TO THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION, WHEN THERE WAS
[01:06:02] MASSIVE AND GROWING DISCONTENT AND A HUGE AND GROWING BOLSHEVIK
[01:06:06] MOVEMENT, IT WAS THE BOLSHEVIKS WHO ULTIMATELY SHOWED UP AT THE
[01:06:10] WINTER PALACE AND MURDERED THE
[01:06:13] FAMILY THAT THEY HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS COMING, BECAUSE
[01:06:16] RASPUTIN WAS TELLING THEM, EVERYTHING'S GOOD, EVERYBODY
[01:06:20] LOVES YOU. HE WAS TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR RATHER
[01:06:22] THAN WHAT WAS REAL. AND HITLER.
[01:06:25] SAME DEAL AS AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE, ARMIN LIMAN. HE WROTE A
[01:06:29] BOOK ABOUT. IT WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD COURIER WHO BROUGHT THE NEWS
[01:06:32] TO HITLER IN THE FÜHRERBUNKER,
[01:06:37] UNDERNEATH THE BALLROOM, THAT HITLER HAD BUILT THE NEW REICH CHANCELLERY WAS WAS CALLED. IT
[01:06:39] WAS A HUGE BALLROOM, AND HE HAD BUILT THIS BUNKER COMPLEX
[01:06:42] UNDERNEATH IT IN BERLIN. AND ARMIN BROUGHT HIM THE NEWS THAT
[01:06:45] THE WAR WAS LOST. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I MEAN, HE, HE
[01:06:49] COMMITTED SUICIDE A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER. AND ARMIN WAS THERE.
[01:06:52] AND ARMIN WAS 16 YEARS OLD AT
[01:06:54] THE TIME. I USED TO TRAVEL ALL. ARMIN AND I TRAVELED ALL OVER
[01:06:58] THE WORLD TOGETHER. BACK IN THE
[01:06:59] 80s. AND AGAIN, HITLER HAD
[01:07:04] SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH SYCOPHANTS WHO WERE TELLING HIM WHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR, THAT
[01:07:07] EVERYTHING'S FINE, YOU KNOW, MEIN FÜHRER, IT'S ALL GOOD.
[01:07:10] WHEN IN FACT, IT WASN'T. AND
[01:07:14] I'M. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE'RE WATCHING RIGHT NOW
[01:07:18] IS THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT DONALD TRUMP MIGHT MAKE
[01:07:22] SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD DECISIONS BASED ON THIS
[01:07:24] INFORMATION OR MISINFORMATION
[01:07:26] OR, OR HIGHLY STILTED OR
[01:07:29] NARROWLY CIRCUMSCRIBED INFORMATION THAT NATALIE HARP IS
[01:07:33] FEEDING TO CHANGE STARTS WITH
[01:07:35] YOU. SO, UH, I, I THINK THE WORD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING
[01:07:39] ABOUT THE NATALIE PROBLEM. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE REALLY
[01:07:43] AFRAID TO SAY IS THE WORD RASPUTIN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY.
[01:07:47] >> GOING.
[01:07:47] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[01:07:58] >> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> HEY, WELCOME TO THE SECOND HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM. ON THE LINE
[01:08:02] WITH US, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
[01:08:04] FOR WHOM I HAVE EXTRAORDINARY
[01:08:07] RESPECT, MARY TRUMP, A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, PHD IN CLINICAL
[01:08:11] PSYCHOLOGY, THE AUTHOR OF THREE BOOKS, INCLUDING THE INTERNATIONAL BESTSELLER TOO
[01:08:14] MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH HOW MY FAMILY CREATED THE WORLD'S MOST
[01:08:18] DANGEROUS MAN. SHE HAS A GREAT SUBSTACK NEWSLETTER. IT'S CALLED THE GOOD IN US. YOU CAN FIND IT
[01:08:21] AT MARY TRUMP.ORG, AND IT'S MARY
[01:08:25] L TRUMP OVER ON BLUE SKY. MARY, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
[01:08:28] IT'S SO NICE TO HAVE YOU AGAIN. >> IT'S ALWAYS WONDERFUL TO BE
[01:08:32] WITH YOU, TOM, EVEN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
[01:08:34] >> INDEED, INDEED, I WAS TALKING A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT MY
[01:08:38] CONCERN THAT, UH, NATALIE HARP
[01:08:40] IS, IS PLAYING KIND OF THE ROLE
[01:08:42] OF RASPUTIN OR HITLER'S COURTIER
[01:08:45] COURTIERS. YOU KNOW, THE GIVING DONALD WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR
[01:08:48] RATHER THAN WHAT HE NEEDS TO HEAR. AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW,
[01:08:52] THIS LATEST POLLING IS REALLY IN
[01:08:55] THE CRAPPER FOR HIM. UM, YOU KNOW HIM REALLY, REALLY WELL.
[01:08:59] PLUS, YOU HAVE THE INSIGHTS THAT COME WITH HAVING A PHD IN
[01:09:03] CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY AND HAVING BEEN IN PRACTICE, HOW DO YOU,
[01:09:06] HOW DO YOU THINK THAT, HOW
[01:09:08] DESPERATE DO YOU THINK HE MIGHT BE? AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ELECTIONS
[01:09:12] OR ANYTHING ELSE HERE. AND WHAT
[01:09:15] MIGHT HE DO? UH, OUT OF THAT
[01:09:19] DESPERATION? >> YEAH, IT IS, UM, REALLY,
[01:09:23] REALLY ALL GOING SOUTH FOR HIM.
[01:09:31] AND WE'RE SEEING INCREASINGLY, HE'S FLAILING. HE'S DESPERATE
[01:09:33] BECAUSE AS MUCH AS HE'S SURROUNDED BY THE MOST
[01:09:36] SYCOPHANTIC SYCOPHANTS LIKE NATALIE HARP, STEPHEN MILLER,
[01:09:40] WELL, THEY'RE ALL OF THEM AT THIS POINT. LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE HAVE TO SINGLE ANYBODY OUT.
[01:09:44] ALTHOUGH, OF COURSE, NATALIE HARP HAS MORE ACCESS THAN
[01:09:46] ANYBODY, WHICH, AS YOU POINT
[01:09:48] OUT, IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. UM, SO
[01:09:52] HE IS, IN SOME REGARDS, BEING PROTECTED FROM THE WORST
[01:09:56] INFORMATION THERE IS OUT THERE.
[01:09:59] BUT IT'S SO BAD THAT HE, EVEN
[01:10:03] HE WHO HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE
[01:10:07] PROTECTING HIS FRAGILE EGO FROM THE TRUTH OF THE FACT THAT HE'S
[01:10:09] A LOSER AND AN INCOMPETENT, HE
[01:10:13] KNOWS THAT HE'S LOSING CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE, AND HE'S ONE
[01:10:17] TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
[01:10:20] TWO, TRYING TO REGAIN THE UPPER
[01:10:22] HAND BY USING HIS UNFATHOMABLE
[01:10:25] POWER AGAINST THOSE COUNTRIES
[01:10:28] AND INDIVIDUALS WEAKER THAN HE
[01:10:30] IS. AND AGAIN, PROTECT HIMSELF
[01:10:33] FROM WHAT WE CAN HAVE TO SAY AT
[01:10:38] THIS POINT ARE MISTAKES OF HIS OWN MAKING EVERY BAD THING
[01:10:41] THAT'S HAPPENING TO HIM RIGHT
[01:10:44] NOW IS DOWN TO HIM
[01:10:49] >> SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT
[01:10:52] THINGS HE MIGHT DO. APPARENTLY, THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION IN THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT USING A
[01:10:56] TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST
[01:10:59] IRAN. UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, HE
[01:11:02] HAS CUT OFF, UKRAINE FROM ANY KIND OF WEAPONRY THAT MIGHT
[01:11:05] PROTECT THEM FROM PUTIN. UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO GO?
[01:11:09] AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THIS WHOLE THING WHERE HE'S
[01:11:11] TRYING TO RIG THE ELECTION. UH,
[01:11:15] DO YOU THINK THAT WE MIGHT HIT A POINT WHERE DONALD TRUMP SIMPLY
[01:11:17] SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S IT, THE DEMOCRACY IS OVER. I'M DECLARING A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
[01:11:21] THIS IS THE END OF IT.
[01:11:22] >> YEAH. TOM. I THINK IT'S IT'S
[01:11:26] REALLY INTERESTING THAT WE ARE
[01:11:29] FINALLY AT THE POINT THAT SOME
[01:11:30] OF US WERE WARNING ABOUT BACK IN
[01:11:36] 2020, UH, THERE IS NOTHING DONALD WON'T DO TO PROTECT
[01:11:40] HIMSELF. UM, AND IT'S FUNNY, WHEN WE DID HAVE THOSE
[01:11:42] CONVERSATIONS, 66, VERY LONG
[01:11:44] YEARS AGO, YEAH, WE WERE OFTEN
[01:11:48] MET WITH INCREDULITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I SAID, LISTEN, IF DONALD THINKS HE'S GOING DOWN, HE'LL
[01:11:51] TAKE EVERYBODY WITH US. AND PEOPLE WOULD LAUGH AND SAY, YOU
[01:11:55] CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS. AND HERE WE ARE, WHERE WE HAVE TO
[01:11:58] HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON A MUCH
[01:12:03] BROADER SCALE, BECAUSE IT IS HE IS NOT JUST SIGNALING. HE IS
[01:12:07] TELLING US WHAT HE'LL DO. AND I THINK THE SIMPLEST WAY TO
[01:12:10] UNDERSTAND DONALD AT THIS POINT IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO
[01:12:13] SUCH WORST. HE WILL ALWAYS GET.
[01:12:18] HE WILL ALWAYS DO THE WORST
[01:12:20] THING, WHETHER THAT IS A
[01:12:22] TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON IN IRAN,
[01:12:25] ABANDONING OUR ALLY UKRAINE, WHICH, QUITE FRANKLY, HE DID A
[01:12:28] LONG TIME AGO, OR USING THE
[01:12:31] POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY TO
[01:12:35] DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND CANCEL AN ELECTION. HE KNOWS HIS PARTY
[01:12:38] IS GOING TO LOSE.
[01:12:41] >> AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE, I USED
[01:12:43] TO, UH UH, ARMIN LEMAN, WAS A
[01:12:47] DEAR FRIEND OF MINE BACK IN THE 80s. WE WE TRAVELED AROUND,
[01:12:51] AROUND THE WORLD FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TOGETHER. WE WERE WORKING AT THAT TIME, AND, WELL, IT'S A
[01:12:53] WHOLE LONG STORY. BUT ANYHOW,
[01:12:55] ARMIN WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD HITLER YOUTH WHO DELIVERED THE NEWS TO
[01:12:59] HITLER THAT THE WAR WAS LOST.
[01:13:01] AND HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. IN
[01:13:03] FACT, IT'S STILL IN PRINT. AND
[01:13:06] CALLED HITLER'S BUNKER. AND,
[01:13:08] UH, ARMIN TOLD ME THAT WHEN HITLER LEARNED THAT BASICALLY
[01:13:12] THE WAR WAS LOST, THAT HE
[01:13:14] ORDERED THE, THE GERMAN ARMY TO
[01:13:18] BOMB GERMANY TO, TO, TO KILL HIS OWN PEOPLE, BECAUSE HE FELT THAT
[01:13:22] THEY HAD FAILED HIM, NOT THAT HE
[01:13:25] HAD FAILED. GERMANY COULD. IS
[01:13:27] THERE ENOUGH OF A, A
[01:13:31] CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HITLER'S PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE AND TRUMP'S THAT WE MIGHT SEE A DAY
[01:13:35] WHEN TRUMP ACTUALLY JOINS WITH HIS DEAR FRIEND VLADIMIR PUTIN,
[01:13:39] WHO. IT APPEARS THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT, THEY'VE HAD A. AT LEAST A ONE
[01:13:43] HOUR PHONE CONVERSATION. UM,
[01:13:46] AND, AND TURNS AGAINST AMERICA.
[01:13:49] >> I THINK YOU CAN ARGUE THAT
[01:13:51] THAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.
[01:13:53] UH, ALMOST EVERY DOMESTIC AND
[01:13:58] NATIONAL SECURITY MOVE DONALD HAS MADE BENEFITS. PUTIN. UM, I
[01:14:02] DON'T WANT TO SAY RUSSIA
[01:14:03] BECAUSE, UH, YOU POINT OUT PUTIN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIAN
[01:14:07] PEOPLE ANY MORE THAN DONALD
[01:14:08] CARES ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[01:14:11] DONALD IS, UM, I THINK THE EQUIVALENT OF DOING WHAT HITLER
[01:14:14] DID, WHICH WAS START TO DESTROY INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, HE IS
[01:14:18] BANKRUPTING OUR FARMERS. HE IS
[01:14:22] MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR AMERICANS TO AFFORD BASIC
[01:14:25] NECESSITIES LIKE GAS AND FOOD.
[01:14:28] UH, HE IS DESTROYING OUR
[01:14:30] ALLIANCES. UH, HE IS ENGAGING IN
[01:14:37] THE KINDS OF TOXIC MASCULINITY
[01:14:40] THAT IS DESIGNED TO UNRAVEL THE
[01:14:42] FABRICS, UH, FABRIC OF AN
[01:14:46] EVOLVED SOCIETY. EVERY SINGLE THING THIS MAN DOES IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE AMERICAN
[01:14:50] PEOPLE. IT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND TO THE
[01:14:54] BENEFIT OF COUNTRIES THAT USED
[01:14:56] TO BE OUR MOST DANGEROUS
[01:15:00] ENEMIES, LIKE RUSSIA, LIKE NORTH KOREA. SO, YEAH, I THINK I THINK
[01:15:03] HE'S WELL ON HIS WAY TO
[01:15:06] COMMITTING TO THE KIND OF PROJECT HITLER ASPIRED TO. >> WOW.
[01:15:10] >> I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WORSE THAN I HAD
[01:15:14] CONSIDERED WHERE. BUT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. AND I'VE BEEN
[01:15:18] SPECULATING FOR YEARS THAT TRUMP WAS EITHER AFRAID OF OR IN THE
[01:15:21] POCKET OF PUTIN SPECIFICALLY, OR
[01:15:24] THE KGB OR THE FSB. MORE, MORE
[01:15:27] BROADLY, UM, FOR THOSE VERY
[01:15:30] REASONS THAT YOU JUST OUTLINED,
[01:15:32] HOW, HOW DO WE BEST RESPOND TO
[01:15:35] THIS, BOTH AS A COUNTRY AND INDIVIDUALLY? AND HOW DO WE DISCUSS THIS WITH OUR FRIENDS
[01:15:39] AND NEIGHBORS WHO MAY NOT BE
[01:15:41] PAYING CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE NEWS?
[01:15:45] >> WELL, THE SECOND I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND PART FIRST, TO THE
[01:15:48] EXTENT I CAN, BECAUSE THAT IS A
[01:15:50] VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION. UM, I
[01:15:53] THINK THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
[01:15:56] COUNTRY, ONLY FRIENDS AND
[01:15:58] NEIGHBORS AND FAMILY CAN HAVE THE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS THAT
[01:16:02] NEED TO BE HAD. AND I KNOW THAT IT FEELS RISKY. I KNOW A LOT OF
[01:16:06] PEOPLE HAVE LOST FAMILY AND
[01:16:07] FRIENDS BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN
[01:16:11] POLITICS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,
[01:16:12] SORT OF AN ANCILLARY, UH, KNOCK
[01:16:15] ON EFFECT OF PUTTING SOMEBODY AS
[01:16:18] DIVISIVE AS HE IS IN POWER. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT
[01:16:21] ABOUT, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE
[01:16:23] IT LESS ABOUT POLICY AND MORE
[01:16:28] ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHO WE WANT TO BE. AND I THINK INSTEAD OF
[01:16:31] SAYING, UH, TO PEOPLE, LISTEN, HE'S DOING ALL THESE HORRIBLE THINGS AND YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT,
[01:16:35] WE NEED TO START PUTTING THE BALL IN THEIR COURT AND ASKING
[01:16:38] QUESTIONS. IS IT OKAY WITH YOU
[01:16:43] THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS AND AMERICAN
[01:16:45] STREETS? IS IT OKAY THAT THEY
[01:16:48] ARE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES? I
[01:16:52] MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST
[01:16:53] OF QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ASKED THAT ASK THE ONES THAT RESONATE
[01:16:57] THE MOST WITH THE PERSON YOU'RE
[01:17:00] TRYING TO, UH, HAVE THAT
[01:17:02] CONVERSATION WITH, RIGHT. UM, AS
[01:17:05] TO THE OTHER PART, WHAT, WHAT
[01:17:07] CAN WE AS A COUNTRY DO? THE MOST
[01:17:12] OBVIOUS BASIC THING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN NOVEMBER, THE
[01:17:15] AMERICAN PEOPLE MAKE IT AS CLEAR
[01:17:18] AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE THAT THIS
[01:17:20] REGIME IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE REJECT, WE REJECT, EXCUSE ME,
[01:17:23] THE KINDS OF FASCISM AND
[01:17:27] CORRUPTION AND, UM, ANTI
[01:17:31] DEMOCRATIC, SMALL D DEMOCRATIC, UH, HOSTILITIES. THIS REGIME
[01:17:35] REPRESENTS. WE REJECT ALL OF
[01:17:37] THESE THINGS ENTIRELY AND WHOLESALE. AND WE WILL PUT INTO
[01:17:41] POWER THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW
[01:17:45] IMPORTANT ACCOUNTABILITY IS, AND
[01:17:47] THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS TO EXPEND MUCH OF
[01:17:51] ITS EFFORTS GOING FORWARD,
[01:17:54] STRENGTHENING OUR ALLIANCES. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, MAKING UP
[01:17:58] FOR ALL OF THE HORRIFIC THINGS THE TRUMP REGIME AND THE
[01:18:02] REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE BEEN
[01:18:04] ALLOWED TO DO TO OUR TO OUR COUNTRY, AND TO OUR ALLIES.
[01:18:07] >> YEAH, WE REALLY NEED TO BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IN THAT
[01:18:11] CONTEXT. AND BY THE WAY, WE IN
[01:18:13] ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN A MINUTE AND A HALF, I'M GOING TO
[01:18:16] HIT A HARD BREAK THAT I CAN'T STOP HERE. SO THIS IS TIME TO
[01:18:19] KEEP IT TIGHT. UM, I'M CURIOUS
[01:18:23] YOUR THOUGHTS ON JOHN ROBERTS, SAM ALITO, CLARENCE THOMAS GOING
[01:18:27] ALONG WITH TRUMP'S, UH, MAIL-IN
[01:18:31] VOTING PURGE, BECAUSE THEY'RE TERRIFIED, YOU KNOW, SHELDON
[01:18:34] WHITEHOUSE ON THIS PROGRAM CAME OUT AND >> SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO
[01:18:36] DRAG HIM IN FRONT OF CONGRESS, THAT THEIR OWN CORRUPTION WILL
[01:18:40] BE EXPOSED. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
[01:18:43] >> YEAH. >> JOHN ROBERTS HAS SO MUCH TO
[01:18:46] ANSWER FOR, STARTING WITH CITIZENS UNITED, THIS CORRUPT, ILLEGITIMATE SUPERMAJORITY OF
[01:18:50] THE SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO BE HAULED IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.
[01:18:54] ALITO, THOMAS, AND ROBERTS ALL NEED TO IMPEACHED, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
[01:18:57] >> YEAH, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A GROWING SENTIMENT TO
[01:19:00] THAT EFFECT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW ALL THIS PLAYS OUT. I
[01:19:04] THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MY
[01:19:08] SENSE OF IT, AND I'D LOVE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS. WE STILL HAVE
[01:19:11] ABOUT 40s IS THAT WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF EITHER A GREAT
[01:19:15] PROGRESSIVE REVIVAL OR, YOU
[01:19:17] KNOW, TURNING IT INTO A TOTAL
[01:19:20] FASCIST COUNTRY. YOUR THOUGHTS? >> THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS RIGHT
[01:19:23] NOW. AND I KEEP I TELL PEOPLE
[01:19:25] WHENEVER I CAN, IT IS OFTEN IN
[01:19:28] THE DARKEST MOMENTS IN OUR HISTORY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE
[01:19:31] THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. SO LET'S LOOK AT IT
[01:19:34] THAT WAY. LET'S PICK THE FIRST
[01:19:36] OPTION, PLEASE. AND THE ONLY WAY WE DO THAT IS TO GET THESE
[01:19:40] CORRUPT FASCISTS OUT OF POWER. >> THAT'S TRUE. AND IT HAPPENS
[01:19:44] ABOUT EVERY 80 YEARS. THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, YOU KNOW, AND 80 YEARS LATER, THE CIVIL
[01:19:48] WAR, 80 YEARS AFTER THAT, THE REPUBLICAN GREAT DEPRESSION, AND NOW WE'RE 80 YEARS OUT FROM THE
[01:19:51] END OF WORLD WAR TWO. IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE HISTORY IS TRYING TO
[01:19:55] TAP US ON THE SHOULDER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MARY TRUMP,
[01:19:59] THE BRILLIANT MARY TRUMP. MARY, THANKS. THANKS SO MUCH FOR DROPPING BY. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT
[01:20:03] TALKING WITH YOU. AND I ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING. THANK YOU. >> [MUSIC]
[01:20:07] >> IT'S GREAT HAVING YOU WITH US. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN. SURE ENOUGH, 18 MINUTES
[01:20:11] PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF THE DAY
[01:20:13] AND YOUR CALLS RIGHT AFTER THIS. STICK AROUND.
[01:20:17] >> [MUSIC]
[01:20:26] >> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> THERE'S ALSO THE MARY TRUMP
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[01:20:39] >> [MUSIC]
[01:20:48] >> AND WELCOME BACK, ROBIN. APPLE VALLEY, CALIFORNIA. HEY
[01:20:52] ROB, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HEY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE
[01:20:55] TO REVISIT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RASPUTIN. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU
[01:20:59] KNOW, BECAUSE, MAN, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION YOU GOT GOING ON. BUT AS FAR AS I
[01:21:02] RECALL, YOU KNOW, READING ABOUT RASPUTIN YEARS AGO, IT'S LIKE,
[01:21:06] UH, HE HAD THE MOST INFLUENCE
[01:21:09] OVER THE TSARINA. THAT COULD BE WHAT THE. YEAH, THE EQUIVALENT
[01:21:12] OVER, LIKE THE FIRST LADY, IF YOU WILL, AND STUFF, YOU KNOW,
[01:21:15] AND WE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, THAT WAS A WHOLE 'NOTHER THING. BUT ONE
[01:21:19] OTHER THING THAT STRUCK ME ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT
[01:21:21] THIS WAS THE NAME, UH, HOW
[01:21:24] RASPUTIN GOT HIS NAME RIGHT. AND WHILE I WAS ON HOLD, I GOT THIS
[01:21:27] BOOK OUT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND IT SAYS RASPUTIN'S LAST NAME
[01:21:31] COMES FROM A SHAMEFUL WORD,
[01:21:33] RASPUTINA. RASPUTIN AND IT'S
[01:21:36] LIKE THE NAME RASPUTIN COMES FROM THE COMMON NOUN, RASPUTIN.
[01:21:40] AN IMMORAL, GOOD FOR NOTHING PERSON. AND THEN THERE'S A RUSSIAN NAME, RIGHT? >> OH, REALLY?
[01:21:44] >> ANYWAYS WAS THINKING ABOUT
[01:21:45] THIS. YEAH, THIS IS IN A BOOK
[01:21:48] CALLED THE RASPUTIN FILE BY
[01:21:50] EDWARD RADZINSKY. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T READ IT FOR
[01:21:54] MANY YEARS. I SHOULD REVISIT IT. YOU KNOW, SEEING RASPUTIN'S
[01:21:58] NAMES COMING BACK UP. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT
[01:22:01] THIS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT THIS 15 YEARS AGO,
[01:22:04] WHENEVER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU
[01:22:07] TAKE THE RA RASPUTIN, AND WHAT
[01:22:12] AND A MORAL CHARACTER THAT IS LIKE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, OR
[01:22:15] THAT. >> RASPUTIN. WOW. YEAH.
[01:22:18] >> SO I, I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT AT YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER
[01:22:21] CALLED YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT I THOUGHT, UH, THAT'S VERY
[01:22:25] INTERESTED IN THAT. >> YEAH. YOU PUT AN S IN FRONT
[01:22:28] OF VLADIMIR'S NAME, AND HE BECOMES RASPUTIN. THAT'S AMAZING. >> OH, YEAH.
[01:22:32] >> THANK YOU. ROB. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU KNOW. >> I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY DAY
[01:22:35] FROM MY LISTENERS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ROB. >> I HOPE TO CALL YOU AGAIN
[01:22:39] SOMETIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANKS. LORI IN OCALA, FLORIDA. HEY,
[01:22:42] LORI, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY
[01:22:47] >> HEY, TOM. UH, I'M CONVINCED THAT THE INTENT.
[01:22:48] >> OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TO
[01:22:51] PUT A SIPHON UNDER THE LOWER 90%
[01:22:54] AND ENACT POLICIES AND SCHEMES
[01:22:56] TO DRAIN THE WEALTH OF THE
[01:22:59] ACCOUNTS OF THE NON UBER
[01:23:01] WEALTHY. AND I THINK THAT THAT
[01:23:05] HAS BEEN AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
[01:23:06] THEY, OF COURSE, ARE ASSISTED BY
[01:23:10] RUSSELL VOUGHT, WHO HELPED GET RID OF A LOT OF THE CIVIL
[01:23:12] SERVICE. AND, UH, AND OF COURSE,
[01:23:14] STEPHEN MILLER, WHO WAS THE
[01:23:17] EXPORTER IN CHIEF. AND I SAY,
[01:23:20] HOW DO WE DO, HOW DO WE CONVEY
[01:23:24] TO OUR NEIGHBORS, TO OUR FRIENDS, TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
[01:23:27] CLOSE, EVEN PEOPLE THAT WE MEET
[01:23:28] IN STORES AND LIBRARIES? I SAY,
[01:23:31] BASED ON THE THEY REFER TO THE
[01:23:34] BRITISH, UH, CORRUPT POLICE AS
[01:23:36] BENT COPPERS WE, ONCE WE START
[01:23:42] TALKING ABOUT BENT COPPERS, YOU CAN EASILY MAKE YOU KNOW, KIND
[01:23:45] OF LIKE OUR BENT POLITICIANS AND
[01:23:50] MEAN, WHY WHY TAKE SNAP AWAY FROM KIDS? I MEAN, WHAT FOR?
[01:23:53] THOSE TAXES? FOR THE WEALTHY? YEAH. YOU CAN PUT EVERYTHING
[01:23:56] INTO REAL SIMPLE TERMS AND NOT
[01:24:00] MAKE NOT HAVE A NAME LIKE TRUMP OR ANYBODY ELSE'S NAME. JUST
[01:24:04] SAY SIMPLY HOSPITALS. HOW COME
[01:24:08] THEY HAVE CANCER AND DON'T HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE? LITTLE THINGS
[01:24:11] LIKE THAT. AND ANYBODY CAN DO IT
[01:24:13] IF THEY JUST SIMPLIFY MORAL
[01:24:17] STORY. >> YEAH, I GET IT. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT WE CAN JUST USE THE
[01:24:20] WORD CORRUPT AND I MEAN
[01:24:23] CORRUPTION. UH, ALEXEI NAVALNY RAN THE ANTI-CORRUPTION
[01:24:27] FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, THAT MADE HIM POPULAR. >> WE COULD.
[01:24:30] >> DO THAT. ZELENSKY CAMPAIGNED AGAINST CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.
[01:24:32] HE USED THE WORD CORRUPTION. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THOUGH,
[01:24:36] LORI. AND I THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO PUT AN ADJECTIVE IN
[01:24:39] FRONT OF IN FRONT OF REPUBLICAN WHENEVER WE'RE DISCUSSING THESE
[01:24:43] PEOPLE. LORI. THANK YOU. WELL SAID, WELL SAID. THANK YOU. 22.5
[01:24:46] MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. WE'LL BE
[01:24:49] RIGHT BACK.
[01:24:53] >> [MUSIC]
[01:25:04] >> THE COMMONWEALTH'S REPORT IS JOURNALISM THAT WORKS FOR YOU, NOT CORPORATIONS, NOT
[01:25:07] BILLIONAIRES. NEWS FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. TWICE
[01:25:10] A DAY, WE BREAK DOWN WHAT MATTERS TO YOUR.
[01:25:14] >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
[01:25:17] SIMULCAST FEATURING VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN POLITICS AT 9
[01:25:20] A.M. EASTERN. MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL SMERCONISH PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES
[01:25:24] OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT
[01:25:26] NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM
[01:25:29] HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> WITH THEM. THEY'VE BEEN
[01:25:33] AROUND FOR, GEEZ, I DON'T KNOW, MOST OF MY LIFETIME, IT SEEMS. I
[01:25:37] THINK THEY CAME ABOUT MOSTLY IN THE MAYBE THE 90s. 80s AND 90s.
[01:25:41] UM, THESE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GAY, UH, YOU KNOW, GAY OR
[01:25:45] LESBIAN OR TRANS OR BI. AND
[01:25:48] HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN A KIND
[01:25:50] OF A SAFE PLACE FOR QUEER
[01:25:53] REPUBLICANS. UH, I REALIZE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY BUT, UH,
[01:25:57] YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A SAFE
[01:26:00] PLACE. AND THEY JUST, THEIR,
[01:26:05] THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS JUST ANNOUNCED IN AN OP ED THAT THEY
[01:26:07] ARE GOING TO ABANDON THE TRANS
[01:26:13] PEOPLE. AND NUMBER ONE, I THINK
[01:26:16] THIS IS TRAGIC. I MEAN, TRANS
[01:26:18] PEOPLE ARE THE MOST, UH, OR ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE
[01:26:22] MINORITIES IN AMERICA. THE FIRST
[01:26:26] PEOPLE THAT HITLER WENT AFTER,
[01:26:27] HE BECAME CHANCELLOR IN JANUARY
[01:26:30] OF 1933. AND BY MARCH, THEY HAD
[01:26:35] TORN. THEY HAD THEY HAD INVADED
[01:26:37] AND, AND BUSTED UP THE, UH, THIS INSTITUTE FOR SEXOLOGY IN
[01:26:41] BERLIN, WHICH WAS THE FIRST PLACE IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY
[01:26:43] PERFORMED TRANSSEXUAL SURGERY.
[01:26:46] AND OR TRANSGENDER SURGERY. AND
[01:26:50] THEY HAULED ALL THE BOOKS, AND THEY HAD THIS HUGE LIBRARY OF BOOKS ON SEX, AND THEY HAULED
[01:26:54] THEM ALL OUT INTO THE STREET AND BURNED THEM. AND THAT'S THAT FAMOUS PICTURE THAT YOU SEE OF
[01:26:57] THE FIRST BOOK, BURNING FROM
[01:26:59] MARCH OF 1933 IN GERMANY. UM, WITH THE NAZIS, YOU KNOW, FEEDING BOOKS TO THE FLAMES AND
[01:27:03] THINGS. THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT
[01:27:05] GOING AFTER TRANS PEOPLE. SO,
[01:27:08] YOU KNOW, PASTOR NIEMÖLLER SAID, YOU KNOW, FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS. NO, ACTUALLY,
[01:27:12] FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE TRANS
[01:27:14] PEOPLE, THE NAZIS, THE REAL
[01:27:18] NAZIS, AND THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN DOING NOW FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT
[01:27:22] WAS HOW THEY WON THE 24 ELECTION. WAS THAT HORRIBLE ADVERTISEMENT WHERE THEY TOOK A
[01:27:26] 20 YEAR OLD CLIP OF KAMALA HARRIS SAYING THAT, UM, YOU
[01:27:29] KNOW, IN CALIFORNIA THAT THEY SHOULD ALLOW THE STATE TO PAY FOR TRANS SURGERY OF PEOPLE IN
[01:27:33] PRISON. AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH I
[01:27:36] MEAN, WE COULD DEBATE THE POLICY ALL DAY LONG, BUT BASICALLY,
[01:27:40] THEY, THEY CHARACTERIZED HER AS A FRIEND OF TRANS PEOPLE. AND
[01:27:43] THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ENOUGH
[01:27:44] TO TRIGGER THE BIGOT BUTTON IN
[01:27:48] ENOUGH INDEPENDENTS AND
[01:27:51] REPUBLICANS. SO I REMEMBER, UH,
[01:27:54] MY FRIEND LEO DICAPRIO HAD MADE
[01:27:56] THIS AMAZING MOVIE, UH, DJANGO,
[01:28:01] AND THAT HE STARS IN AND, AND
[01:28:04] SAMUEL L JACKSON PLAYED THE
[01:28:07] HOUSE SERVANT IN THAT MOVIE, YOU
[01:28:09] KNOW, WHO WAS OBSEQUIOUS AND
[01:28:11] JUST, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS DOING
[01:28:15] WHAT THE MASTER WANTED. AND I'M
[01:28:17] STARTING TO THINK THAT THE LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS ARE PLAYING
[01:28:20] THAT ROLE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE
[01:28:23] MINORITY, THE OPPRESSED MINORITY
[01:28:25] WHO, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD
[01:28:28] RATHER SUCK UP TO THEIR OPPRESSORS THAN STAND UP FOR
[01:28:32] THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND FOR THEMSELVES, AND ARE WILLING TO
[01:28:35] SACRIFICE THEIR OWN PRIDE AND
[01:28:37] THEIR OWN SELF-RESPECT TO DO IT.
[01:28:40] I JUST FIND THIS TRAGIC, YOU
[01:28:42] KNOW, AS, AS THE, THE, THE, THE
[01:28:45] PARENT OF A, OF A QUEER PERSON, AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING FRIENDS WHO
[01:28:48] ARE, WHO ARE QUEER. I HAVE RELATIVES WHO ARE TRANS OR A
[01:28:51] RELATIVE WHO IS TRANS. I THINK
[01:28:53] THIS IS JUST TRAGIC. AND, UH,
[01:28:59] MANY WELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT
[01:29:01] AT THAT. I WAS GOING TO QUOTE
[01:29:04] FROM THEIR COMMENTARY, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY UNFORTUNATE
[01:29:08] MOMENT FOR REPUBLICANS IN
[01:29:11] GENERAL. 27 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR, TRUMP IS HAVING A HISSY
[01:29:14] FIT. I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK AND PICK UP YOUR CALLS.
[01:29:17] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
[01:29:22] HARTMANN PROGRAM. CALL 20208089925. >> HELPING YOU WIN THE WATER COOLER WARS. WE'LL BE BACK WITH
[01:29:26] THAT STORY AND YOUR CALLS. STAY
[01:29:29] WITH US.
[01:29:41] >> [MUSIC]
[01:29:46] >> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH
[01:29:47] WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
[01:29:51] TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE
[01:29:53] BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
[01:29:56] IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS
[01:30:00] FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT
[01:30:03] COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA
[01:30:07] BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW?
[01:30:09] TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY
[01:30:12] MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI
[01:30:14] INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
[01:30:18] FORD, CALLING HIM THE. THE LESS
[01:30:20] CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO
[01:30:23] MAYOR, ROB FORD. FORD HAD THREATENED TO CUT OFF
[01:30:26] ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
[01:30:29] CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD
[01:30:31] SAYS ONTARIO POWER'S 1.5 MILLION HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE
[01:30:35] BORDER, AND EVERYTHING'S ON THE
[01:30:37] TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT
[01:30:40] TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE
[01:30:42] AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK
[01:30:45] THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS A
[01:30:48] GOVERNOR AND WARNED THAT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE
[01:30:52] FAR WORSE. HERE'S WHAT MATTERS
[01:30:55] OUR CLOSEST ALLY AND LONGEST TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER
[01:30:59] IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
[01:31:02] BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL.
[01:31:04] MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
[01:31:07] 000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS
[01:31:10] GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP
[01:31:13] TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
[01:31:15] FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
[01:31:19] REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
[01:31:23] DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
[01:31:24] B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
[01:31:27] 2016 AND 2026. AND THE WHOLE
[01:31:29] THING RUNS THROUGH HOMELAND SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY
[01:31:32] CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS
[01:31:34] ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
[01:31:37] DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
[01:31:41] STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
[01:31:44] 175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
[01:31:47] CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
[01:31:50] POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW,
[01:31:54] PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING. IT
[01:31:55] TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
[01:31:59] ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
[01:32:02] TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
[01:32:05] THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON
[01:32:07] CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
[01:32:10] GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY
[01:32:13] COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
[01:32:17] BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
[01:32:19] THE REST. AROUND 320 TO 380V.
[01:32:23] THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN, AND
[01:32:27] DISABLED PEOPLE. A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN
[01:32:30] DIED IN A RICHMOND, KENTUCKY,
[01:32:33] JAIL IN 2024 AFTER BEING SHOT
[01:32:35] SHOCKED 27 TIMES WITH THE GLOVES
[01:32:37] AND 13 MORE TIMES WITH A TASER.
[01:32:40] TWO OF THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND
[01:32:42] 99 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN
[01:32:46] ROLNICK BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE IS, QUOTE, TOO QUICK TO USE
[01:32:49] FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON ON A FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT
[01:32:52] DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
[01:32:55] WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT
[01:32:58] DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES
[01:33:01] REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
[01:33:04] PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
[01:33:08] IMMIGRATION IN THE COST OF
[01:33:10] LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE
[01:33:14] HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
[01:33:17] HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF. JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
[01:33:20] SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO
[01:33:24] SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS.
[01:33:27] KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING, JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
[01:33:30] TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE
[01:33:33] PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS
[01:33:36] ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND
[01:33:39] KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
[01:33:42] WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
[01:33:44] WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S
[01:33:47] EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER POLLUTION FROM YOUR
[01:33:50] NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
[01:33:53] PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES,
[01:33:55] HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
[01:33:58] WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S
[01:33:59] EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
[01:34:02] CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND
[01:34:05] LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY.
[01:34:09] DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND
[01:34:12] HEAVY METALS FROM DOZENS OF DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS
[01:34:15] TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP
[01:34:19] GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND
[01:34:21] DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE
[01:34:25] CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
[01:34:27] AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE
[01:34:30] BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S
[01:34:33] THE WHOLE POINT MYSTERY ALERT,
[01:34:37] WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN MOSCOW AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO GOVERNMENTS
[01:34:40] WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY TUESDAY
[01:34:43] MORNING, A U.S. AIR FORCE C-17
[01:34:46] GLOBEMASTER CALLSIGN CH4555 LIFTED, LIFTED OFF FROM RIGA,
[01:34:49] LATVIA, AND TOUCHED DOWN AT
[01:34:52] VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW. JUST AFTER TEN IN THE MORNING
[01:34:55] LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT PLAN LISTED NO DESTINATION BEFORE
[01:34:58] RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE ANDREWS IN MARYLAND, HOME
[01:35:02] OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS POSTED VIDEO OF A
[01:35:05] MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE KREMLIN, AND YOU
[01:35:09] GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN. YOU GET
[01:35:12] NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE HAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE
[01:35:16] PLANNED THIS WEEK. ASKED THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE OR
[01:35:19] EITHER EMBASSY, AND YOU GET
[01:35:23] SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST POSTPONED A MOSCOW TRIP. SO WHO FLEW A MILITARY
[01:35:27] TRANSPORT INTO VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY
[01:35:30] SAY? AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
[01:35:32] TODAY. TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th,
[01:35:36] 2026. I'M TOM HARTMANN
[01:35:47] >> [MUSIC]
[01:35:57] [MUSIC] >> DID YOU KNOW THAT EVERY WEEKDAY WE SEND OUT AN EMAIL
[01:36:00] BEFORE THE SHOW, GIVING YOU ALL THE TOPICS COMING UP SO YOU CAN
[01:36:03] BE FULLY INFORMED AND READY TO INTERACT WITH OUR PROGRAM? OR
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[01:36:09] TOPIC I'VE DISCUSSED, ALONG WITH CLICKABLE HOT LINKS TO EVERY
[01:36:12] SOURCE OF INFORMATION. >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE
[01:36:16] BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
[01:36:17] SIMULCASTS, FEATURING VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN POLITICS,
[01:36:21] AT 9 A.M. EASTERN, MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL
[01:36:24] SMERCONISH PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT NOON, PROGRESSIVE
[01:36:28] COMMENTATOR THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH
[01:36:31] HIS TAKE ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT
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[01:36:37] SHOW WITH HIS TAKE ON POLITICS,
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[01:37:04] MEMORABLE MOMENTS COVERED BY C-SPAN IN 2026. TODAY, A
[01:37:07] COLLECTION OF CONGRESSIONAL
[01:37:09] HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY SCRUTINIZED IMPORTANT ISSUES,
[01:37:12] AND CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF
[01:37:14] THE COUNTRY. WEDNESDAY, A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION,
[01:37:17] AND ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S
[01:37:20] POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM TO
[01:37:23] ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR SOME OF THIS YEAR'S MOST
[01:37:26] WATCHED, MOST TALKED ABOUT, AND
[01:37:28] MOST MEMORABLE C-SPAN PROGRAMING.
[01:37:32] >> UH. MARK CARNEY, THE PRIME
[01:37:34] MINISTER OF CANADA, HAD THE TEMERITY, AND DOUG FORD, THE
[01:37:37] PREMIER OF ONTARIO, HAD THE
[01:37:38] TEMERITY TO TO CALL HIM OUT.
[01:37:42] DOUG FORD SAID, UH, DONALD, YOU
[01:37:43] CAN KISS MY. I MEAN, LITERALLY,
[01:37:46] HE SAID THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
[01:37:50] MARK CARNEY, I MEAN, HE POINTED OUT MONTHS AGO THAT DONALD TRUMP
[01:37:54] HAS BROKEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND
[01:37:57] CANADA, WHICH HAS STOOD SINCE,
[01:37:59] UH, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY SINCE THE
[01:38:01] END OF THE WAR OF 1812. AND, UH,
[01:38:05] YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE ARE SECOND
[01:38:07] LARGEST TRADING PARTNER BEHIND
[01:38:09] CHINA. THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW,
[01:38:13] WE SHARE THE WORLD'S LARGEST UH, UNFENCED, UNINTERRUPTED
[01:38:16] BORDER WITH THEM. OUR ECONOMIES
[01:38:19] HAVE BEEN LARGELY INTEGRATED FOR
[01:38:21] CENTURIES. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO
[01:38:25] ASK YOURSELF, WHY WOULD ANYBODY
[01:38:27] BE STUPID ENOUGH TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE COUNTRY? THAT'S YOUR
[01:38:30] NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. IT'S LIKE,
[01:38:33] IT'S LIKE GOING OVER AND THROWING DOG POOP ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FRONT YARD OR
[01:38:36] SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S,
[01:38:40] UH, I DON'T GET IT. IT'S JUST,
[01:38:44] IT'S JUST WEIRD. AND NOW HE'S,
[01:38:46] HE'S, UH, NOW HE'S SAYING UH,
[01:38:52] WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HE'S
[01:38:54] DENYING THAT HE PUT ALL THESE
[01:38:59] ONEROUS, UH, DEMANDS ON CANADA THAT CAUSED THE END OF THE, OF
[01:39:03] THE TRADE TALKS. AND THEN, AND,
[01:39:06] BUT BEYOND THAT, HE'S NOW, AND HE'S SAYING, I LOVE FRENCH
[01:39:10] CANADIANS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. UM,
[01:39:13] HE CALLS, HE CALLS, UH, CARNEY
[01:39:16] SAYS HE'S A WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE PRIME MINISTER IN AN ATTEMPT TO GAIN POLITICAL
[01:39:20] SUPPORT, WHICH HE HAS TOTALLY
[01:39:21] LOST TO THE PEOPLE OF QUEBEC
[01:39:25] RIGHT. AND NOW HE'S THREATENING TO CHANGE THE NAME OF LAKE
[01:39:29] ONTARIO TO LAKE AMERICA. HOW
[01:39:34] PETTY. WE ARE BEING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CHILD IN THE WHITE
[01:39:37] HOUSE, A PETULANT, SPOILED,
[01:39:42] NEUROTIC, MENTALLY ILL CHILD IN
[01:39:44] THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS THIS IS
[01:39:47] A, I THINK MARY WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS A VERY, VERY
[01:39:50] DANGEROUS TIME FOR THIS COUNTRY. SO WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY, MAURICE, IN INGLEWOOD,
[01:39:54] CALIFORNIA. HEY, MAURICE. WHAT'S UP.
[01:39:57] >> JAMES CARVER, HAVE A LAW
[01:39:59] LICENSE? TOM IF JAMES CARDIN IS
[01:40:08] GOING TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. I LOVE THE SPIRIT HE
[01:40:10] EXEMPLIFIED WHEN HE WAS TALKING
[01:40:22] COME TO THE CONGRESS TO TESTIFY.
[01:40:24] >> I AGREE, I AGREE
[01:40:40] >> THE SUPREME COURT, THEY CRIMINALS DO, TOM. THEY SCARED TO GO ON DOWN WITH HIM. THEY GOT
[01:40:44] ONE CHOICE
[01:40:59] I CAN'T IMAGINE THE SUPREME
[01:41:01] COURT JUSTICE IN THE TIME. SO, ANYWAY, I.
[01:41:05] >> THINK YOU'RE. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THAT GIVES TRUMP AN OPPORTUNITY
[01:41:09] TO PUT SOMEBODY WHO'S 35 YEARS OLD ON THE COURT, YOU KNOW,
[01:41:11] ANOTHER RIGHT WING CRANK WHO'S YOUNG.
[01:41:15] >> BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN. TOM. THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN.
[01:41:17] I'M LOOKING AT THIS ELECTION
[01:41:20] VOTED FOR VINDMAN BECAUSE THAT HOMAN SHOWED SOME COURAGE BACK IN THE DAY. YOU REMEMBER WHO HE
[01:41:23] WAS, BUT HE LOST TO ANDY DIXON.
[01:41:25] NO, NO, NOT TO GET RACIST
[01:41:42] A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN. THERE'S A BIG OLD WAVE. IT'S A BLUE ONE. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR,
[01:41:45] PURPLE. WHATEVER. IT'S COMING
[01:41:58] >> YES. YEAH, HE'S. HE'S THE
[01:42:00] FIRST GAY, UH, SECRETARY OF THE
[01:42:02] TREASURY. YEAH. >> OKAY. >> WELL, I THINK HE MIGHT BE THE
[01:42:06] FIRST GAY, OPENLY GAY CABINET. NO, NO, PETE BUTTIGIEG WAS THE FIRST OPENLY GAY CABINET MEMBER
[01:42:10] AS SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
[01:42:12] >> PETE BUTTIGIEG IS A DEMOCRAT. THAT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING.
[01:42:16] >> YEAH LIKE I SAID EARLIER, GAY REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE HEN'S TEETH. YOU
[01:42:20] KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF RARE, BUT BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE. THERE'S
[01:42:22] A FEW OF THEM. >> SO I AGREE, TOM.
[01:42:26] >> THANKS. THANKS A LOT, MORRIS. ALWAYS NICE HEARING FROM YOU, DORIS, IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN.
[01:42:30] HEY, DORIS. HOW'S MY OLD
[01:42:33] STOMPING GROUNDS?
[01:42:36] >> UM AND A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
[01:42:39] MEDICARE 80/20 RULE. BUT FIRST,
[01:42:43] I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE
[01:42:48] TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN BINKIE.
[01:42:51] THERE ARE SIX HUMAN BINKIES ON THE SUPREME COURT. AND NOT TO
[01:42:54] FORGET THAT
[01:42:58] >> I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH YOU,
[01:42:59] DORIS.
[01:43:02] >> YEAH. OKAY. NOW, UH, MEDICARE
[01:43:04] IS 61 YEARS OLD. LBJ PASSED IT,
[01:43:10] AND THE, UH, THEY HAD THE 8020
[01:43:12] RULE, 80% MEDICARE PAID FOR 20%.
[01:43:19] WE PAY FOR. >> CORRECT.
[01:43:22] >> IN 61 YEARS, THAT HAS NOT MOVED. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVE NOT.
[01:43:26] >> HAD THAT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
[01:43:29] >> WE HAVE NOT HAD 9010. WE HAVE
[01:43:34] HAD NOTHING. >> WELL, THE REASON, THE REASON
[01:43:37] WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, DORIS, IS THE
[01:43:39] REASON WHY IT HASN'T CHANGED, OR IT'S HALF OF THE REASON WHY IT
[01:43:43] HASN'T CHANGED. IT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE,
[01:43:46] BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRICE THAT THE SOUTHERN SENATORS TOLD LBJ
[01:43:49] THEY WANTED HIM TO PAY FOR
[01:43:52] PASSING MEDICARE, BECAUSE THEY WERE. THEY, AT THAT POINT IN
[01:43:55] TIME, MOST HOSPITALS, IN FACT, ALL THE HOSPITALS IN THE SOUTH
[01:43:59] AND MOST HOSPITALS IN THE COUNTRY WERE SEGREGATED. AND
[01:44:02] THEY DID NOT WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW UP AT THE HOSPITAL AND HANG OUT WITH WHITE
[01:44:06] PEOPLE AND HAVEN'T PAID FOR BY MEDICARE, OLDER BLACK PEOPLE.
[01:44:09] AND SO THEY FIGURED THAT IF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO WERE POORER
[01:44:12] THAN WHITE PEOPLE, HAD TO PAY THAT 20%, THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO SHOW UP AT THE
[01:44:16] HOSPITAL. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ORIGINALLY CAME FROM. NOW, WHAT
[01:44:20] THAT DID, WHAT THAT 20% HOLE DID
[01:44:21] IN MEDICARE IS IT OPENED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIG
[01:44:25] INSURANCE COMPANIES TO SELL WHAT THEY CALL MEDIGAP POLICIES THAT
[01:44:28] FILL THAT 20% GAP, AND THAT HAS
[01:44:32] BECOME A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. SO NOW THERE'S TWO
[01:44:36] REASONS WHY REPUBLICANS FIGHT EVERY EFFORT BY DEMOCRATS TO DO
[01:44:38] AWAY WITH THAT 20% HOLE. AND THAT IS NUMBER ONE. THEY STILL,
[01:44:42] YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT KEEPS POOR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY POOR PEOPLE OF
[01:44:45] COLOR, OUT OF HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS OFFICES. AND NUMBER TWO,
[01:44:49] BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SPIFFING THEM, YOU KNOW,
[01:44:53] FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT SAID, YOU CAN GIVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, CORPORATIONS
[01:44:56] CAN BUY POLITICIANS, AND YOU'VE
[01:44:58] GOT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO ARE TOTALLY IN THE POCKET OF THE BIG
[01:45:01] INSURANCE COMPANIES. SO THAT'S WHY IT HASN'T CHANGED, AND WHY
[01:45:04] I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF IT
[01:45:06] DOES CHANGE, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF MEDICARE FOR ALL ACTUALLY
[01:45:10] DOES PASS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE THAT HOLE. SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
[01:45:13] >> YEAH, BUT BUT DEMOCRATS HAVE
[01:45:16] BEEN IN CHARGE TOO. >> I KNOW.
[01:45:18] >> I KNOW, I ASKED SENATOR
[01:45:21] PETERS WHEN HE HAD A TOWN HALL A
[01:45:22] COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT THIS.
[01:45:26] AND I GOT WORD SALAD. >> YEAH. WELL, IT'S BECAUSE. I
[01:45:28] MEAN, IT'S A HUGE. >> WORD SALAD.
[01:45:32] >> YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF SENATOR PETERS WAS TAKING MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES OR
[01:45:36] NOT. THE ODDS ARE FAIRLY HIGH THAT HE WAS. >> HE WAS. I BET HE WAS.
[01:45:39] >> WHO KNOWS. >> I AND I BET THERE'S A LOT OF
[01:45:43] DEMOCRATS TAKING THIS CORRUPT INSURANCE MONEY. OH THERE ARE.
[01:45:47] DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY SUPPLEMENT IS? EVERY MONTH AND IT'S RISING.
[01:45:50] I HAVE BLUE CROSS AND BLUE
[01:45:52] SHIELD FOR MY 20%. MHM. IT'S
[01:45:57] $380. >> NOW. MINE'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO. YEAH, YEAH.
[01:46:00] >> THAT SHOULD NOT BE. >> NO, WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING 3 OR $4000 A YEAR JUST TO HAVE
[01:46:04] MEDICARE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU GOT TO PAY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH
[01:46:07] FOR THE MEDICARE ITSELF. SO, YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. >> CORRECT.
[01:46:10] >> THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS
[01:46:12] AS, AS THEY SAY IN D.C., RIPE
[01:46:16] FOR REFORM. SO HOPEFULLY SOMETHING. >> WILL COME UP. THANK YOU, TOM. >> THANK YOU. DORIS. NICE TO
[01:46:20] HEAR FROM YOU. IT'S 44.5 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH
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[01:46:33] AFTER THIS. STAY TUNED.
[01:46:36] >> [MUSIC]
[01:46:42] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THOM HARTMANN. VISIT THOM HARTMANN.COM FOR AUDIO AND VIDEO
[01:46:46] ARCHIVES. >> BY THE WAY, THAT PLANE, THE TOUCHDOWN IN MOSCOW THIS MORNING
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[01:46:53] HERE? THIS IS. >> WEIRD.
[01:46:56] >> [MUSIC]
[01:47:07] >> AND WELCOME BACK, CAROLYN IN SEATTLE. HEY, CAROLYN, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
[01:47:11] >> OH, HELLO, TOM. THANK YOU SO
[01:47:14] MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL. I'M A
[01:47:17] FIRST TIME CALLER GETTING THROUGH TO CALL AND LISTENER FOR
[01:47:21] ABOUT A DECADE. SO THANK YOU, CAROL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND
[01:47:24] THANK YOU FOR HAVING MARY TRUMP
[01:47:25] ON. SHE'S ONE OF THE MOST SANE
[01:47:29] AND PERCEPTIVE PEOPLE AND
[01:47:30] SPEAKING VERY STRAIGHT, VERY
[01:47:34] DIRECTLY AND SUCCINCTLY TO ALL OF THESE ISSUES. SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND BE AS SUCCINCT AS I CAN
[01:47:38] BE. UM, WHY? I FIRST SPOKE TO
[01:47:42] MATTEO, AND I WAS ASKING ABOUT
[01:47:45] THE REALLY CLEARLY DOCUMENTED
[01:47:48] CORRUPTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RIGGING, TO USE THE WORDS THAT,
[01:47:52] YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT OCCUPANT
[01:47:54] OF THE WHITE HOUSE USES OF THE
[01:47:58] ELECTIONS OF 2000. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER, JEB
[01:48:01] BUSH GETTING ALL THOSE VOTES
[01:48:03] STRICKEN. AND I DIDN'T GO INTO,
[01:48:08] LIKE THE 2004 ELECTION WHEN, UH,
[01:48:09] W, YOU KNOW, UH, DIEBOLD
[01:48:13] ELECTION MACHINES WERE, WERE
[01:48:14] FLIPPED. I DON'T REMEMBER ALL
[01:48:17] THE DETAILS, BUT CLEARLY THAT ELECTION ALSO SHOULD NOT HAVE
[01:48:21] GONE TO HIM. AND NOW, OF COURSE,
[01:48:24] IT'S BLATANT. IN 2016 AND 2024.
[01:48:30] UM, I WON'T GO BECAUSE YOU HAVE DOCUMENTED ALL OF THAT SO MUCH
[01:48:33] MORE CLEARLY. BUT I'M JUST
[01:48:36] WONDERING, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE
[01:48:37] MANAGE TO KEEP OUR REPUBLIC, UH,
[01:48:41] AS JEFFERSON'S OR. YEAH, NO, AS FRANKLIN SAID, YOU KNOW, A
[01:48:45] REPUBLIC, MADAM, IF WE CAN KEEP
[01:48:47] IT, UH, IF THERE WOULD BE ANY
[01:48:51] WAY TO, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF
[01:48:53] RESTORATION AFTER THIS REGIME IS
[01:48:55] VOTED OUT OR FALLS IN SOME WAY
[01:48:59] TO INVALIDATE ALL OF THE CORRUPT
[01:49:01] LAWS, ALL OF THE SHRINKING OF NATIONAL PARKS, THE, YOU KNOW,
[01:49:05] THE DESTRUCTION OF GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, THE FIRING OF ALL
[01:49:09] THOSE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT WORKERS, ET CETERA.. UM, IF
[01:49:12] THERE'LL BE ANY WAY TO RESTORE
[01:49:13] ALL OF AND EVEN START SAYING,
[01:49:17] CALLING, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT
[01:49:18] GORE, PRESIDENT RODHAM CLINTON,
[01:49:21] YEAH. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY
[01:49:24] WERE UNABLE TO SERVE THEIR,
[01:49:27] THEIR RIGHTFULLY ELECTED TERMS. YEAH. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW
[01:49:31] WHAT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE ALL OF THAT IS, IS UNKNOWN. THAT HAS
[01:49:35] NEVER HAPPENED. I DON'T. >> I DON'T THINK. >> WE CAN. DO YOU. >> THINK I DON'T THINK WE CAN
[01:49:38] CRY OVER SPILLED MILK, AS THE OLD CLICHE GOES. I THINK WE, WE
[01:49:41] NEED TO BE LOOKING FORWARD. AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A
[01:49:44] LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE ANY
[01:49:47] REAL DRAMATIC CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TRUMP
[01:49:50] IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THAT
[01:49:53] PERIOD OF TIME. AND, AND IF HE RESIGNS OR HIS, UH, HIS WEIGHT
[01:49:57] OR HIS HEART GETS TO HIM, UH, YOU'VE GOT JD VANCE, WHO'S
[01:50:00] ARGUABLY EVEN WORSE. UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S THE TOOL OF SILICON
[01:50:03] VALLEY, IN MY OPINION. NEO
[01:50:05] FASCIST TECH BROS. UM, BUT, UH.
[01:50:09] >> YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE
[01:50:13] CHARISMA, YOU KNOW, THE EVIL CHARISMA. YEAH. TRUMP, YOU.
[01:50:16] >> KNOW, HE'S LACKING ALTOGETHER. YEAH. TRUMP IS A
[01:50:18] SINGULAR, SINGULARLY SUCCESSFUL CON MAN. I MEAN, HE'S ONE OF
[01:50:21] THE BEST SALESMEN. >> YEAH. LIKE STALIN. HE'S, HE'S UP THERE WITH STALIN AND
[01:50:26] HITLER. >> YEAH. IT'S. WELL, IT, IT ACTUALLY REMINDS ME MORE OF.
[01:50:29] YOU. EVER SEE THE, THE OLD MOVIE, THE MUSIC MAN UH.
[01:50:32] >> I THINK I SAW PART OF IT. >> YEAH. THE CON MAN COMES INTO
[01:50:35] TOWN AND, AND CONVINCES EVERYBODY. AND, YOU KNOW, NOW,
[01:50:38] IN THE MUSIC MAN, THE CON MAN TURNED OUT TO HAVE A HEART OF GOLD, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF
[01:50:41] THE MOVIE. BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.
[01:50:45] THIS IS THE THING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CON MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND I THINK. PEOPLE ARE.
[01:50:49] >> FIGURING. THAT'S ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY. WHY DON'T I THINK ANOTHER TERM?
[01:50:52] THEY CALL US THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
[01:50:55] THEY ARE THE REPUBLICANS.
[01:50:57] >> THE REPUBLICANS. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF.
[01:51:01] >> WAYS TO USE THAT. OKAY. >> THANK YOU, CAROLYN. THANK
[01:51:03] YOU. GOOD TALKING TO YOU. IT'S
[01:51:05] 49 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR
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[01:53:47] >> OKLAHOMA CITY. HEY, JOE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
[01:53:49] >> WELL, YOU JUST A TAD BIT OF
[01:53:53] BREATHING ROOM HERE. I DID WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ON THAT
[01:53:57] C-17 THAT LANDED IN MOSCOW WITH
[01:53:59] RATCLIFFE ABOARD. AND WHAT I
[01:54:03] BELIEVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REPORTS
[01:54:06] OF RUSSIAN ASYLUM SEEKERS THAT WERE CRITICAL OF PUTIN. ALL
[01:54:10] THOSE FOLKS ARE GETTING PICKED
[01:54:11] UP BY ICE, AND THOSE PLANES CAN
[01:54:14] CARRY ABOUT 700 PEOPLE. AND I
[01:54:17] THINK THAT'S WHAT RATCLIFFE WAS. HE'S DELIVERING THE PEOPLE,
[01:54:21] PUTIN, THEY'RE THEY'RE HERE, BUT THEY'RE CRITICAL OF PUTIN. SO
[01:54:24] THAT'S WHO I THINK THEY TOOK OVER THERE, THAT HE WAS.
[01:54:27] >> THAT WOULD BE A STAB IN THE BACK, WOULDN'T IT
[01:54:31] >> OH, UNBELIEVABLE. AND COMPLETELY DISGUSTING. QUICK QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE
[01:54:34] RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? >> OH YEAH. OF COURSE. HARRISON
[01:54:38] FORD'S MOVIE. YEAH. OKAY.
[01:54:40] >> PULL UP THE CLIP. WHERE THE
[01:54:43] NAZI OPENS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT AND TELL ME IF YOU
[01:54:46] DON'T GET A SCOTT BESSENT VIBE. >> OH.
[01:54:49] >> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. COMPLETE WITH THE
[01:54:53] GLASSES. YEAH.
[01:54:54] >> YEAH I JUST GOT THIS HUGE
[01:54:58] SPINE RIPPLE OF MY, ALL MY, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, BUT WATCH
[01:55:02] IT AGAIN. AND IT'S REALLY QUITE FRIGHTENING. YEAH. OKAY. LASTLY.
[01:55:05] >> WELL, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON,
[01:55:06] JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT LAWRENCE O'DONNELL'S RIFF, I
[01:55:10] THINK IT WAS A WEEK AGO OR SO WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE REASON THAT TRUMP HIRED SCOTT
[01:55:13] BESSENT WAS BECAUSE OF THOSE GLASSES, BECAUSE HE WAS
[01:55:17] REMEMBERING, UH, LBJ OR NIXON'S,
[01:55:21] UH, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. AND I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON HIS NAME RIGHT NOW, BUT HE HAD THE SAME
[01:55:24] GLASSES, YOU KNOW, AND, UH.
[01:55:27] >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO BRILLIANT. >> YEAH. >> AND I HAVE A THING. IT'S A
[01:55:30] VERY SHORT LITTLE LIMERICK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT,
[01:55:33] BUT IT'S. TRUMP ONLY HIRES THE
[01:55:35] BEST OF LIARS. BUT BACK ON YOUR FLORIDA THING, YOU WERE TALKING
[01:55:39] ABOUT HOW THEY WERE, YOU KNOW,
[01:55:43] PULLING THEIR LITTLE PURGES AND STUFF. I WANT EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER, AND I'M SURE YOU DO,
[01:55:46] TOO. THEY ALSO WERE USING THE
[01:55:49] POLICE, THE HIGHWAY PATROL, THE, THE STATE POLICE. THEY WERE
[01:55:52] USING THE POLICE THAT WERE
[01:55:55] ACTUALLY DOING ROADBLOCKS AROUND
[01:55:58] THE BLACK PRECINCTS, WHERE THEY WERE STOPPING THE BUSSES ON SOULS TO THE POLLS. THEY WERE
[01:56:02] PULLING EVERYBODY OFF, MAKING
[01:56:03] THEM SHOW ID, CHECKING THEIR VEHICLE INSPECTIONS.
[01:56:07] >> AND I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT
[01:56:10] >> TRYING TO GO VOTE DURING THEIR LUNCH HOUR, THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HOLD THEM UP
[01:56:14] 20, 30 MINUTES. RIGHT. SO, I
[01:56:16] MEAN, YOU JUST ADD THAT ON TO
[01:56:18] THE FACT THAT GORE LOST BY BASICALLY THE BEST ESTIMATE OF
[01:56:22] 100 OR 530 VOTES. THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD TO TURN
[01:56:26] AROUND AFTER THEY GOT STOPPED. THEY WERE CHECKING FOR WARRANTS.
[01:56:29] THEY WERE CHECKING FOR. IS YOUR
[01:56:32] CAR BEEN INSPECTED? WRIGHT >> HAD BLACK SKIN? YEAH, YEAH,
[01:56:36] NO, I, YEAH, I NOW REMEMBER THAT. JOE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
[01:56:38] FOR REFRESHING OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY ON THAT. YEAH. THE 2000
[01:56:42] ELECTION WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW,
[01:56:45] STOLEN. WE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SO THAT WAS BUSH, UH, THE,
[01:56:49] THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM, OTHER THAN HIS DADDY WAS,
[01:56:52] WAS REAGAN. REAGAN CUT A DEAL WITH THE AYATOLLAH TO HANG ON TO
[01:56:56] THE AMERICAN HOSTAGES FOR A YEAR. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT,
[01:56:58] FOR SIX YEARS, HE ILLEGALLY, CRIMINALLY SOLD THEM WEAPONS.
[01:57:02] YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IRAN-CONTRA
[01:57:04] THING. SO THAT PRESIDENCY WAS,
[01:57:06] WAS IN WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, INVALID OR WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M MISSING A WORD
[01:57:10] HERE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN NIXON,
[01:57:14] NIXON, LBJ, AND HUBERT HUMPHREY HAD NEGOTIATED PEACE WITH THE
[01:57:17] SOUTH VIETNAMESE IN 1968, AND THEY WERE GOING TO ROLL IT OUT
[01:57:19] IN OCTOBER. AND, AND DECLARE THE
[01:57:23] END OF THE WAR. AND NIXON FOD OUT ABOUT IT. AND HE WENT TO THE HEAD OF THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE AND
[01:57:26] SAID, AKE YORICH IF YOU REFUSE TO GO TO PARIS AND SIGN
[01:57:29] THAT DEAL. AND I THINK, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? TWO, AS I RECALL. AND
[01:57:32] HE SAID, OKAY, COOL, I'LL TAKE
[01:57:35] THE MONEY. AND AS A RESULT OF
[01:57:37] THAT, ANOTHER 24,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIED. ANOTHER MILLION
[01:57:40] VIETNAMESE DIED, AND RICHARD NIXON GOT ELECTED. AND, UH, YOU
[01:57:43] KNOW, INSTEAD OF HUBERT HUMPHREY
[01:57:45] IN 68. SO IT'S LIKE WE HAVE HAD THREE ILLEGITIMATE. ILLEGITIMATE
[01:57:49] IS THE WORD. I
[01:57:57] WAS LOOKING FOR THREE. ILLEGITIMATE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. NOW, IN, YOU KNOW, IN MY LIFETIME, AND ARGUABLY
[01:58:01] FOUR, BECAUSE GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT IF REAGAN HADN'T CUT A DEAL WITH THE AYATOLLAHS. SO SPOT ON, JOE. >> THANK YOU. NOT TO MENTION
[01:58:05] THE. >> YEAH, NOT TO MENTION THE ELITE, THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
[01:58:08] >> YEAH. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE, GEORGE W BUSH LOST THE
[01:58:11] ELECTION BY A HALF MILLION VOTES. DONALD TRUMP LOST IN 2016 BY 3 MILLION VOTES. YOU'RE
[01:58:14] ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THANK YOU. RICK IN SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA.
[01:58:17] HEY, RICK. WHAT'S UP? OH, RICK.
[01:58:19] YEAH YEAH YEAH. GO AHEAD. I JUST
[01:58:22] HAVE ABOUT 30s HERE. I'M SORRY.
[01:58:26] I'LL I JUST WANTED TO CALL BACK AGAIN LATER THIS WEEK. IF YOU WANT.
[01:58:29] >> OKAY. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
[01:58:31] UKRAINE AND US, THEY'RE BEING
[01:58:34] WE'RE BEING BOMBED WITH MONEY,
[01:58:36] AND MONEY IS TAKEN OUT. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TAKEN OUT, OUR
[01:58:40] THE ALGORITHM, I MEAN, MONEY IS
[01:58:42] DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE TO OUR
[01:58:45] DEMOCRACY, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR DEMOCRACY IS BEING BOMBED WITH
[01:58:48] BOMBS BEING BOMBED WITH MONEY. >> YEAH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT
[01:58:52] POINT. AND IT'S BECAUSE FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE U.S.
[01:58:55] SUPREME COURT, ONE OF WHOM WAS
[01:58:57] BEING PAID OFF BY A CORRUPT BILLIONAIRE WHO WANTED CITIZENS
[01:59:00] UNITED TO PASS. AND HIS. >> PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE
[01:59:04] BOMBS ARE COMING FROM. >> YEAH, YEAH. THERE YOU GO. IT'S IT'S THE RIGHT WING
[01:59:08] BILLIONAIRE CLASS, AND THE TECH BROS. RICK. THANK YOU. WELL SAID. AND THANKS FOR LISTENING
[01:59:12] TO US ON AM 950 THERE KTMF IN
[01:59:16] MINNEAPOLIS. IT'S WELL, WE'RE HITTING THE TOP OF THE HOUR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK.
[01:59:19] CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE IS GOING TO DROP BY. HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT
[01:59:22] WHETHER OR NOT INDIVIDUAL STATES CAN DO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE AND HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM WOULD WORK.
[01:59:26] LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT
[01:59:26] AFTER THIS
[01:59:30] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THOM
[01:59:34] HARTMANN.
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[02:02:03] >> C-SPAN AUDIENCE. UH. THE TRUMP IS, UH. TRUMP IS
[02:02:06] THREATENING TO RENAME LAKE
[02:02:10] ONTARIO. I MENTIONED THAT THE OTHER THE OTHER STORY THAT I THINK IS FASCINATING, THAT I
[02:02:12] WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IN OUR
[02:02:15] LITTLE SIX MINUTE THING HERE BEFORE THE ACTUAL SHOW STARTS,
[02:02:19] IS, UH, THE STORY ABOUT STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER. YOU MAY NOT HAVE
[02:02:21] HEARD OF STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER.
[02:02:25] HE'S A BILLIONAIRE AND INVESTOR. AND, UH, HE WORKED
[02:02:28] WITH SCOTT BESSENT, OUR
[02:02:30] SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, AT
[02:02:33] GEORGE SOROS'S FIRM BACK IN THE
[02:02:37] 1990s. AND THE WAY THAT GEORGE
[02:02:41] SOROS MADE HIS MONEY, HIS BIG
[02:02:43] MONEY, WAS BASICALLY RUNNING A
[02:02:47] BET AGAINST THE BRITISH POUND.
[02:02:51] AND, AND THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS BACK
[02:02:54] DURING THAT ERA TO, TO CONTROL THE EXCHANGE RATE OF THE POUND,
[02:02:58] THE VALUE OF THE POUND, WHICH IS
[02:03:01] WHAT SCOTT BESSENT IS TRYING TO
[02:03:02] DO RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED
[02:03:05] STATES WITH REGARD TO THE VALUE
[02:03:07] OF THE DOLLAR AND INTEREST RATES
[02:03:10] AND THE PARALLELS ARE PRETTY STRIKING, ACTUALLY. AND THIS IS,
[02:03:13] YOU KNOW, AND SOROS, OF COURSE,
[02:03:16] MADE BILLIONS ON THAT BET. AND
[02:03:19] IT'S HOW HE GOT RICH. AND THOSE GUYS WERE THEY'RE BOTH STANLEY
[02:03:23] DRUCKENMILLER AND SCOTT BESSENT
[02:03:25] WORKING THERE WITH SOROS AT THAT
[02:03:27] TIME. AND SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE
[02:03:31] GOT, UH, SCOTT BESSENT, OUR, OUR
[02:03:34] BILLIONAIRE TREASURY SECRETARY, TRYING TO KEEP INTEREST RATES
[02:03:37] DOWN. RIGHT. THERE'S SO MUCH. I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
[02:03:40] GOING INTO AN ELECTION AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE FREAKED OUT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW,
[02:03:43] IT COSTS 7% NOW TO BUY A HOUSE.
[02:03:45] IT'S BEEN WORSE. UNDER REAGAN. IT WAS I BOUGHT A HOUSE UNDER
[02:03:49] REAGAN, AND I THINK I PAID 13 OR
[02:03:51] 15%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH,
[02:03:55] INTEREST ON THE HOUSE BACK IN THE 80s. REPUBLICANS TEND TO DO
[02:03:57] THIS. TEN OF THE LAST 11
[02:03:59] RECESSIONS HAPPENED DURING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCIES, AND
[02:04:03] EIGHT OUT OF THE OUT OF THOSE RECESSIONS HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER
[02:04:06] THERE WAS A MASSIVE TAX CUT. TAX
[02:04:07] CUTS ON THE RICH TEND TO PRODUCE
[02:04:11] RECESSIONS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE REPUBLICANS RAISE TAXES IN SNEAKY WAYS. ON
[02:04:14] AVERAGE, WORKING PEOPLE. THAT
[02:04:16] CUTS OUR ABILITY TO BUY THINGS. RICH PEOPLE DON'T BUY THINGS.
[02:04:20] THEY THEY PUT THEIR MONEY AND THEIR MONEY BINS. THEY INVEST
[02:04:23] IT. AND, UH, AND THEY ONLY PAY
[02:04:26] TAXES ON CAPITAL GAINS. SO IT'S
[02:04:29] A MAXIMUM 20% RATHER THAN THE 37% THAT THOSE OF US WHO PAY,
[02:04:31] TAKE A PAYCHECK, WOULD HAVE TO
[02:04:33] PAY. SO ANYHOW, BESSENT IS, IS
[02:04:37] USING OUR TREASURY MONEY. AND
[02:04:40] EXCUSE ME, ARGUING THAT WE CAN
[02:04:42] USE FED MONEY TO BUY BACK BONDS,
[02:04:46] TO BUY BONDS OUT OF THE PRIVATE
[02:04:48] MARKET, TO REDUCE THE SUPPLY OF BONDS OUT THERE, WHICH WOULD
[02:04:51] DRIVE UP THE PRICE OF BONDS. RIGHT. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IF
[02:04:55] THERE'S FEWER OF SOMETHING, IT
[02:04:58] BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE. AND INTERESTINGLY, AS THE PRICE OF
[02:05:00] BONDS GOES UP, THE INTEREST RATES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY GO
[02:05:03] DOWN. AND SO IF HE CAN DRIVE
[02:05:07] DOWN THE INTEREST RATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE, IN
[02:05:11] PARTICULAR, THE 20 AND 30 YEAR BONDS, THE LONG TERM FEDERAL
[02:05:13] BONDS, UM, IF HE CAN DRIVE DOWN
[02:05:17] THOSE INTEREST RATES, THAT WILL DRIVE DOWN HOME MORTGAGE RATES,
[02:05:20] BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON THOSE
[02:05:23] BONDS. AND HE TRIED DOING THIS
[02:05:26] TWO WEEKS AGO AND BOUGHT A COUPLE OF BILLION DOLLARS WORTH
[02:05:30] OF BONDS. AND IT WAS A $2
[02:05:31] BILLION BOND BUY. AND IT WORKED
[02:05:34] FOR ONE DAY. INTEREST RATES DROPPED, AND THEN THEY BOUNCED
[02:05:38] RIGHT BACK UP AGAIN. AND NOW
[02:05:41] HE'S TALKING ABOUT GOING IN
[02:05:44] WITH A $4 BILLION BOND PURCHASE. BUT WE'VE GOT TO I MEAN, WE
[02:05:47] HAVE A $40 TRILLION DEBT. NOW,
[02:05:51] SOME OF THAT IS DEBT THAT WE OWE OURSELVES. FOR EXAMPLE, SOCIAL
[02:05:54] SECURITY IS INVESTED IN BONDS. WE GOT A TRILLION AND A HALF
[02:05:57] DOLLARS IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY
[02:06:01] TRUST FUND, AND IT IS INVESTED IN GOVERNMENT BONDS. SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WE OWE OURSELVES. SO
[02:06:04] YOU TAKE THAT, AND THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, VARIATIONS ON
[02:06:07] THAT THEME. YOU TAKE ALL THAT OUT. AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 34
[02:06:09] BILLION, $34 TRILLION BOND
[02:06:12] MARKET. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY
[02:06:16] $4 BILLION WORTH OF BONDS OUT OF A $34 TRILLION BOND MARKET, YOU
[02:06:20] KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO AFFECT THE, YOU KNOW,
[02:06:23] THE SIZE OF THE OCEAN BY, BY
[02:06:26] SQUIRTING A GARDEN HOSE INTO IT
[02:06:27] OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR A
[02:06:31] TEASPOON. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. AND STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER, THE GUY WHO USED
[02:06:35] TO BE SCOTT BESSENT BOSS AT
[02:06:38] GEORGE SOROS OPERATION, JUST CAME OUT AND SAID HE WROTE IN
[02:06:41] THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST LIKE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF GOD. AND EVERYBODY, UH,
[02:06:45] HE CAME OUT AND HE SAID,
[02:06:46] GOVERNMENTS DEFENDING PRICES
[02:06:49] AGAINST FUNDAMENTALS ALWAYS LOSE. THE ONLY VARIABLE IS HOW
[02:06:52] MUCH THEY SPEND BEFORE THEY
[02:06:54] CONCEDE. HE ADDS, THE LONG TERM TREASURY YIELD IS THE MOST
[02:06:57] IMPORTANT PRICE IN THE WORLD. IT IS ALSO THE ONLY FISCAL
[02:07:00] DISCIPLINARIAN THE U.S. HAS LEFT. AND HE SAYS THAT HE SAYS
[02:07:04] NEITHER PARTY WILL RUN ON ENTITLEMENT REFORM. BOTH HAVE
[02:07:07] SPENT THE PAST DECADE EXPANDING COMMITMENTS WHILE IGNORING
[02:07:10] ARITHMETIC. NOW HE'S ARGUING
[02:07:11] THAT WE SHOULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND JUST SCREW SENIORS
[02:07:15] RIGHT TO TO FIX THE BOND MARKET. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO
[02:07:19] WORK. THAT'S DRUCKENMILLER'S IDEA. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO
[02:07:23] SOMETHING THAT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO TURN SOCIAL
[02:07:27] SECURITY OVER TO THE BIG BANKS IN NEW YORK WHO GIVE REPUBLICANS
[02:07:30] BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR, OR MILLIONS, CERTAINLY. BUT, HE
[02:07:34] ADDS, THE MARKET'S VERDICT WAS SWIFT AND CORRECT. THIS WASN'T
[02:07:37] LIQUIDITY MANAGEMENT. IT WAS
[02:07:39] PRICE MANAGEMENT. AND A MISTAKE
[02:07:43] FAR LARGER THAN $4 BILLION SUGGESTS. AND HE SAYS, IN
[02:07:47] ADDRESSING THE PRIMARY DEFICIT IS, QUOTE, THE ONLY THING THAT
[02:07:50] DURABLY LOWERS. >> LONG TERM.
[02:07:53] >> [MUSIC]
[02:08:00] >> THIS IS THE THOM >> [MUSIC] >> HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> HEY, WELCOME TO THE THIRD
[02:08:03] HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM. ON THE LINE WITH US, OUR FRIEND, CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE, THE JOURNALIST,
[02:08:07] CRIMINAL JUSTICE RESEARCHER, FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER,
[02:08:10] VETERAN, AUTHOR. HE HAS A
[02:08:12] NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK CALLED
[02:08:14] THE EXISTENTIALIST REPUBLIC C M
[02:08:18] ARMITAGE.SUBSTACK.COM IS THE WEBSITE FOR IT. C ARMITAGE OVER
[02:08:21] ON BLUE SKY. CHRISTOPHER, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM. I
[02:08:25] IT'S ALWAYS GREAT HAVING YOU WITH US. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.
[02:08:29] >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> ALWAYS A PLEASURE. SO I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THIS PIECE. I
[02:08:33] MEAN, YOU REALLY DID SOME DEEP
[02:08:36] DIVE HOMEWORK ON THIS. UM, OVER AT THE EXISTENTIALIST REPUBLIC.
[02:08:40] EVERY STATE CAN AFFORD UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, A TAXONOMY OF
[02:08:43] PUBLIC HEALTH CARE OPTIONS. AND
[02:08:45] IF I COULD JUST QUOTE YOU VERY
[02:08:48] BRIEFLY, UH, YOU POINT OUT, NEW
[02:08:52] ZEALAND COVERS EVERYONE ON A GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT SMALLER
[02:08:54] THAN LOUISIANA'S. DENMARK'S ECONOMY IS ROUGHLY HALF THE SIZE
[02:08:58] OF WASHINGTON STATE. COSTA RICA ACHIEVES UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AND LIFE EXPECTANCY,
[02:09:02] EXCEEDING OURS ON ABOUT $70 BILLION IN TOTAL OUTPUT. AND
[02:09:06] THEN YOU SAY WE'RE SPENDING 18%
[02:09:08] OF THE ENTIRE ECONOMY. AND WE HAVE WORSE RESULTS THAN THESE
[02:09:12] PEOPLE. SO GIVE US THE BIG PICTURE FIRST. AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT
[02:09:15] WE CAN FIX THIS.
[02:09:19] >> ABSOLUTELY. AND I'LL MENTION THAT THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT HEALTH CARE, UH, YOU, YOU
[02:09:22] AND I, YOU MENTIONED, UH, WHAT VERMONT WENT THROUGH WHEN THEY TRIED TO GET UNIVERSAL HEALTH
[02:09:26] CARE GOING AND THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAD. AND WHAT REALLY
[02:09:29] STOPPED IT WITH THOSE ERISA REQUIREMENTS OF NEEDING TO GET
[02:09:32] FEDERAL APPROVAL. AND THAT WAS
[02:09:34] HALTED IN ITS TRACKS. AND THAT
[02:09:37] REALLY, YOU KNOW, GOT ME EVEN
[02:09:39] THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW TO ORGANIZE THIS INFORMATION AND EQUIP STATES TO NOT NEED
[02:09:43] PERMISSION FROM A HOSTILE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S
[02:09:46] TRYING TO STOP US FROM, YOU KNOW, FINDING SOLUTIONS AT THE
[02:09:49] LOCAL LEVEL. AND SO WITH THIS
[02:09:51] TAXONOMY. YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY
[02:09:55] ABOUT JUST IDENTIFYING HOW
[02:09:55] STATES CAN INDEPENDENTLY FUND
[02:09:59] THESE PROCESSES. AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT OF A CODE TO CRACK
[02:10:03] WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE MANAGES TO DO IT? AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW,
[02:10:06] NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS SOME SORT OF UNIVERSAL
[02:10:09] HEALTH CARE, INCLUDING MANY OF THEM THAT HAVE SMALLER GDP THAN
[02:10:12] STATES HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO THE FOUR DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS
[02:10:15] ARE OUTLINED IN THAT PIECE THAT, UH, THAT EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC
[02:10:18] PUT OUT, UH, OUTLINE ONE JUST
[02:10:23] REGULATED PRIVATE CARRIER PROGRAMS. THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE CASCADE CARE IN WASHINGTON
[02:10:27] STATE, WHICH THEY CALL IT A
[02:10:28] PUBLIC OPTION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST REGULATING PRIVATE INSURERS
[02:10:32] AND SAYING IT'S CAPPING
[02:10:34] REIMBURSEMENTS AND REQUIRING CERTAIN RATES AVAILABLE. WOULD THAT BE.
[02:10:38] >> THE WAY THAT SWITZERLAND DOES IT, FOR EXAMPLE? I THINK THEY'RE
[02:10:41] THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT HAS A. THEY REQUIRE ALL THE
[02:10:44] COMPANIES TO BE NONPROFIT, AND THEY HEAVILY REGULATE THEM. AND
[02:10:48] EVERYBODY IS REQUIRED TO BUY INSURANCE FROM THEM. BUT IT'S A
[02:10:50] VERY SMALL MARGIN BUSINESS. >> YEAH. AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE
[02:10:54] BENEFIT OF, UH, WITH THE WAY SWITZERLAND DOES A FEW THINGS
[02:10:58] DIFFERENT. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A MINIMUM WAGE,
[02:11:01] BUT BECAUSE NEARLY EVERYBODY IS
[02:11:03] A MEMBER OF A UNION, THEY HAVE MUCH STRONGER NEGOTIATING
[02:11:07] LEVERAGE BETWEEN THESE LARGE UNIONS THAT ALMOST ACT LIKE A PARALLEL GOVERNMENT IN SOME
[02:11:10] WAYS. AND SO THAT'S PART OF HOW THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO MAKE THAT
[02:11:14] WORK. AND SO SWITZERLAND'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. SO REGULATED
[02:11:18] PRIVATE CARRIER PROGRAMS ARE A FINE STARTING POINT FOR A LOT OF
[02:11:21] STATES. BUT REALLY THE SECOND CATEGORY IS THE ONE THAT, THAT
[02:11:25] I'M REALLY ENTHUSED ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT PUBLICLY OWNED
[02:11:28] INSURERS COMPETING FOR VOLUNTARY
[02:11:30] ENROLLMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, NORTH
[02:11:33] DAKOTA HAS THE BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA, THIS IS A PUBLICLY OWNED
[02:11:37] BRENT BANK. THAT'S REVENUE GENERATING. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT
[02:11:39] NOT FOR PROFIT. THEY GENERATE
[02:11:41] PROFIT WHILE BEING VERY HIGHLY
[02:11:44] RATED BY THEIR CUSTOMERS. AND EVEN HAVING POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER BANKS.
[02:11:49] BUT THEY'RE PUBLICLY OWNED. THEY GENERATED A THIRD OF $1
[02:11:51] BILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE STATE
[02:11:53] OF NORTH DAKOTA LAST YEAR. IT'S THE SAME THING THAT COULD BE
[02:11:57] DONE WITH HEALTH INSURANCE BASICALLY, A STATE GOVERNMENT
[02:12:01] COULD CHARTER THEIR OWN HEALTH
[02:12:03] INSURANCE COMPANY, UH, NEW YORK ALREADY HAS A VERSION OF THIS,
[02:12:06] BUT THERE'S 90% OF THE ENROLLEES ARE MEDICARE AND
[02:12:10] MEDICAID PEOPLE, AND THEN 10% OF THEM ARE JUST ANYONE ON THE
[02:12:13] MARKET WHO PAYS INTO IT. AND SO
[02:12:18] PUBLICLY OWNED INSURERS COMPETING FOR VOLUNTARY ENROLLMENT. WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT IS, IMAGINE IF YOU WERE
[02:12:22] GOING TO START YOUR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY. WELL, IN
[02:12:25] WASHINGTON STATE, IF YOU LAUNCHED IT AND YOU EMPLOY IF
[02:12:27] YOU PUT ALL STATE EMPLOYEES ON
[02:12:30] THAT PLAN AND THEIR FAMILIES, YOU WOULD HAVE 700,000 ENROLLEES
[02:12:34] PAYING ON DAY ONE. NOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY
[02:12:38] PAYING PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR PROFIT HEALTH
[02:12:42] INSURANCE COMPANIES. YOU COULD GIVE THEM A LOWER RATE ON DAY ONE AND LAUNCH THIS CHARTERED
[02:12:46] PRIVATE HEALTH INSURER WITHOUT
[02:12:48] ANY REQUIREMENTS OF WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND
[02:12:51] GENERATE REVENUE ON DAY ONE WITH THAT PLAN. >> WOW, WOW. >> THAT'S BRILLIANT. THAT'S
[02:12:55] BRILLIANT. >> AND THEN AND THEN CATEGORY
[02:12:59] THREE, YOU GO TO SINGLE PAYER FOR CORE COVERAGE. THAT'S THE
[02:13:02] MEDICARE MEDICAID PLAN. UH, THAT STATE LEVEL, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW
[02:13:05] YORK HEALTH ACT IS A VERSION OF THAT CAL CARE IN CALIFORNIA. AND
[02:13:09] THE WHOLE WASHINGTON HEALTH TRUST. I THINK THESE ARE GOOD PLANS, BUT I'LL JUST MENTION
[02:13:12] THAT PART OF WHY THAT TIER TWO TAXONOMY IS MY FAVORITE IS
[02:13:16] BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE RAISING TAXES ON ANYBODY AND
[02:13:19] BEING ABLE TO SELF-FUND A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND MODERATE
[02:13:23] EMPLOYMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S,
[02:13:26] IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REPUBLICAN FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
[02:13:29] TYPE OF ARGUMENT, BUT IT IS THE IDEA THAT STATES DON'T HAVE THE
[02:13:33] BENEFIT THAT THE FEDERAL
[02:13:34] GOVERNMENT HAS OF JUST PRINTING CASH. AND SO THE APPROACH CAN
[02:13:38] STILL BE DONE TO GET EVERYBODY
[02:13:41] ENROLLED VOLUNTARILY. UM, AND SO IT'S ANOTHER GOOD WAY TO NAVIGATE THAT. AND THEN THE
[02:13:45] FOURTH CATEGORY JUST ADDS PUBLIC DELIVERY TO PUBLIC PAYMENT. AND AGAIN, NEW YORK CITY IS A REALLY
[02:13:49] GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PLACES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO IN THE UNITED
[02:13:53] STATES, WHERE THEY JUST ACTUALLY
[02:13:55] START OWNING AND OPERATING FACILITIES, HEALTH CARE
[02:13:58] FACILITIES, IN ADDITION TO PAYING FOR CARE. AND THOSE ARE
[02:14:02] THE FOUR TAXONOMIES. >> FOR THE FOURTH ONE, JUST LIKE
[02:14:05] WITH MAMDANI, UH, GROCERY STORES IN NEW YORK CITY, THE
[02:14:08] REPUBLICANS WOULD BE SCREAMING THAT THAT'S COMMUNISM,
[02:14:12] WOULDN'T THEY? >> THEY DEFINITELY WOULD BE. I'M WORKING ON A PIECE RIGHT
[02:14:15] NOW. UM, THAT JUST OUTLINES REALLY IN DEPTH HOW MANY
[02:14:18] DIFFERENT POLICIES FIT WITHIN
[02:14:21] THESE, WHETHER IT'S, UM, OUR COMMUNIST U.S. POSTAL SERVICE
[02:14:25] THAT THE FOUNDERS OF THE UNITED
[02:14:27] STATES GUARANTEED US, UH, WHICH GENERATED REVENUE. LIKE WHEN I
[02:14:31] MENTIONED THAT PUBLICLY
[02:14:33] CHARTERED HEALTH CARE COMPANY OR
[02:14:36] INSURER, UM, REALIZED THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT WITH THE U.S.
[02:14:39] POSTAL SERVICE, THEY GENERATED
[02:14:41] REVENUE UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS, DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
[02:14:44] AND SINCE, UH, CREATED ALL THESE
[02:14:47] DIFFERENT BARRIERS TO PREVENTING THEM FROM REALLY BEING
[02:14:51] PROFITABLE. AND SO WE CAN. >> THOSE WERE DESIGNED TO HELP
[02:14:53] OUT FEDEX AND UPS WEREN'T, THEY WERE BIG DONORS TO THE GOP. YEAH. >> OH, YEAH.
[02:14:57] >> THEY'RE GOING TO DISMANTLE THE USPS SO THEY CAN HANDLE IT
[02:15:00] TO THOSE PRIVATE COMPANIES. UM,
[02:15:02] AND CONTINUE TO HAND OUR TAX DOLLARS OVER TO THESE
[02:15:06] ORGANIZATIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS I TRY TO AVOID THE
[02:15:08] LABELS, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHERE
[02:15:12] NEOLIBERALISM KILLS US, BECAUSE THE IDEA THAT, UM, THAT THE
[02:15:15] GOVERNMENT CAN'T BE A SOURCE OF REVENUE, WHICH ALSO LIMITS TAX
[02:15:18] BURDENS ON THE WORKING CLASS, UM, IS BELOVED BY CONSERVATIVES
[02:15:22] AND BY NEOLIBERALS, AS UNCONSERVATIVE AS IT IS
[02:15:25] SOMETHING LIKE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. UNDENIABLY, FOR 250
[02:15:29] YEARS, HAS BENEFITED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHILE BRINGING
[02:15:32] IN MORE MONEY THAN IT SPENT. THE BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA DOES THAT.
[02:15:36] WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAVE
[02:15:39] RELIABLY DELIVERED, PUBLICLY
[02:15:42] OWNED AND PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE REVENUE, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO TAX ANYBODY. AND WE CAN APPLY
[02:15:46] THAT SAME THING TO HEALTH INSURANCE. ANY STATE CAN DO
[02:15:49] THAT, AND THEY'LL HAVE A
[02:15:51] STRONGER BUDGET THAN THEY WOULD OTHERWISE. >> REMARKABLE STUFF. WE'RE
[02:15:55] TALKING WITH CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE, HIS NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS CALLED THE
[02:15:59] EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC. CHRISTOPHER, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY,
[02:16:02] ANY STATE, ANY STATES WHERE, ANYTHING LIKE ANY OF THESE FOUR
[02:16:06] OPTIONS YOU'RE LAYING OUT ARE
[02:16:07] BEING SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED OR,
[02:16:10] UH, EITHER OF THE POLITICAL PARTIES? I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD
[02:16:13] PROBABLY ONLY BE THE DEMOCRATS
[02:16:15] WHO HAVE PICKED UP THE MANTLE OF ANY OF THESE IDEAS.
[02:16:18] >> YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, CASCADE CARE AND WHATEVER COLORADO CALLS
[02:16:22] THEIR PLAN ARE THOSE SWITZERLAND
[02:16:24] MODELS OF REGULATING PRIVATE INSURERS. THEY COULD BE
[02:16:28] EXPANDED, BUT IT'S IT TRULY IS
[02:16:30] BETTER THAN NOTHING. AND I
[02:16:33] THINK, WORTHY OF CELEBRATION. UM, NOW CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK,
[02:16:36] UH, AND ONE IN WASHINGTON STATE
[02:16:40] HAVE PUBLIC UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, SINGLE PAYER FOR CORE
[02:16:42] COVERAGE, UH, INITIATIVES THAT
[02:16:44] HAVE GAINED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
[02:16:46] SUCCESS IN, UH, IN NEW YORK
[02:16:50] STATE. THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN THEIR SINGLE PLAYER, UH, THEIR
[02:16:53] SINGLE PAYER INITIATIVE PASSED THROUGH THE STATE HOUSE, BUT NOT
[02:16:57] THROUGH THE STATE SENATE. IT CONTINUES YEAR AFTER YEAR TO
[02:17:01] PROGRESS HALFWAY AND THEN GET STOPPED. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK.
[02:17:05] >> IT'S BEEN STOPPED. I ASSUME, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMOCRATS CONTROL BOTH THE STATE AND THE
[02:17:08] HOUSE AND SENATE IN NEW YORK STATE, I'M GUESSING IT'S BEEN
[02:17:10] STOPPED BY INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS BEING SNIFFED BY THE
[02:17:14] BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES. >> WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I REALLY
[02:17:17] ANYBODY LISTENING, I REALLY WANT
[02:17:18] TO ENCOURAGE YOU IS LIKE, OUR
[02:17:22] STATES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS. LIKE YOU SAID, NEW ZEALAND
[02:17:23] DOES IT WITH A, WITH A GDP
[02:17:27] SMALLER THAN LOUISIANA'S. AND SO ESPECIALLY THESE, THESE
[02:17:30] STATES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, VERMONT WITH LEGAL WITH GAY
[02:17:33] MARRIAGE AND CANNABIS LEGALIZATION, EVEN, UH, YOU
[02:17:37] KNOW, WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE IN WISCONSIN, THROUGHOUT U.S.
[02:17:40] HISTORY, THE STATES HAVE BEEN
[02:17:43] THE PLACE WHERE WE FIRST PROGRESSED THAT EXPERIMENTAL
[02:17:46] LOCATION, WHERE POLICY CAN GAIN STEAM AND SHOW A WORKING USE
[02:17:49] MODEL BEFORE IT BECOMES OBVIOUS
[02:17:51] THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD ADOPT IT.
[02:17:55] AND SO THESE, THESE STATES, THE TRIFECTA STATES. I JUST REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
[02:17:58] LISTENING, BUT EVEN ANYWHERE, TO. BECAUSE YOUR CITY IN A LOT
[02:18:00] OF PLACES COULD DO IT AS WELL. UM, YOU NEED TO GET AHOLD OF
[02:18:04] THESE REPRESENTATIVES AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING HELD
[02:18:07] ACCOUNTABLE. IT IS DEMOCRATS STOPPING PROGRESS IN THESE. I
[02:18:10] MEAN, THE MOST, YOU KNOW, I, I'D SAY WASHINGTON STATE IS ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE STATES.
[02:18:14] AND, I MEAN, THE FACT IS, IT'S JUST THESE IDEAS THAT I'M
[02:18:17] PRESENTING TO YOU, THEY DON'T HAVE LOBBYISTS BEHIND THEM. THEY
[02:18:21] DON'T HAVE LARGE DONORS BEHIND
[02:18:24] THEM. BUT WE COULD CHANGE THAT.
[02:18:29] WE COULD CONTACT REPRESENTATIVES EVEN IN OTHER STATES AND SAY, I WANT TO DONATE TO CANDIDATES WHO
[02:18:32] SUPPORT X, Y, Z ANYWHERE. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT
[02:18:36] OLIGARCHS DO. THAT'S WHAT THE WEALTHY PEOPLE DO. THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE CORPORATIONS DO IS
[02:18:39] THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE WINS WHEREVER THEY CAN PUSH THINGS
[02:18:42] OVER THE FINISH LINE THE MOST EFFECTIVELY. AND WE CAN ACHIEVE
[02:18:45] THAT. >> YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, CHRISTOPHER, YOU ARE ONE OF THE
[02:18:49] SMARTEST PEOPLE I KNOW. I LOVE
[02:18:52] YOUR NEWSLETTER, THE EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC ON SUBSTACK. AND, UH,
[02:18:56] THIS IS JUST BRILLIANT STUFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DROPPING
[02:19:00] BY AND SHARING IT WITH US. >> THANK YOU.
[02:19:04] >> ALWAYS GREAT TALKING WITH YOU. CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE. UH, THE NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS
[02:19:07] CALLED THE EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC.
[02:19:10] I'LL BE BACK WITH YOUR CALLS IN JUST A MOMENT. 17 MINUTES PAST
[02:19:13] THE HOUR. STAY.
[02:19:16] >> [MUSIC]
[02:19:21] >> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM.
[02:19:24] >> AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUR, STEPHEN VLADECK, THE
[02:19:27] ATTORNEY ON ONE FIRST ON
[02:19:28] SUBSTACK, IS GOING TO DROP BY TO
[02:19:32] TALK ABOUT THIS MAIL BALLOT
[02:19:36] PROBLEM.
[02:19:37] >> [MUSIC]
[02:19:44] >> AND WELCOME BACK. WELL, SAD NEWS, DOLLY PARTON JUST DIED AT
[02:19:47] THE AGE OF 80. SO, YOU KNOW, I,
[02:19:52] I THINK I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, I STARTED IN RADIO WHEN I WAS 16
[02:19:55] YEARS OLD AS A COUNTRY WESTERN
[02:19:58] DJ, AND I ALWAYS LOVED HER MUSIC
[02:20:01] AND HER. I MEAN, SHE'S JUST A
[02:20:04] FINE AND DECENT HUMAN BEING. ALL
[02:20:07] RIGHT. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY, MARTHA? IN PLYMOUTH, MASSACHUSETTS. HEY, MARTHA.
[02:20:10] WHAT'S UP >> AN OBSERVATION. TOM, HI. HOW
[02:20:14] ARE YOU? I'M FINE. I NEWS EVERY
[02:20:21] MORNING BECAUSE MY LIFE HAS CHANGED A LOT. AND I'VE BEEN
[02:20:24] NOTICING SOMETHING ABOUT THE VALUE SYSTEM IN AMERICA. AND IT
[02:20:27] SEEMS TO BE THAT OUR METAPHORS
[02:20:29] THAT WE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT
[02:20:31] FIGHT. TRUMP SAYS, AND THE
[02:20:35] DEMOCRATS SAY, WE GOTTA FIGHT, WE GOTTA. WE GOTTA FIGHT FOR OUR
[02:20:37] RIGHTS AND STUFF. MAYBE WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE
[02:20:41] STRUGGLE OR SOMETHING. I JUST REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT. AND THE
[02:20:44] OTHER THING, WE SEEM TO HAVE A HIGH VALUE ON IS SPORTS. IF
[02:20:48] PEOPLE WILL DO, LIKE ON MORNING JOE, THEY DO LIKE INTERVIEWS
[02:20:51] WITH PEOPLE AND THEY'LL ALL HAVE A DISAGREEMENT. AND INSTEAD OF
[02:20:54] SAYING, I HATE YOU AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU, THEY SAY, OH,
[02:20:57] LET'S TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE
[02:20:59] YANKEES VERSUS THE RED SOX OR
[02:21:03] SOMETHING. AND THE OTHER THING I'VE NOTICED IS THAT WE SEEM TO
[02:21:06] THINK THAT WHOEVER HAS THE MOST
[02:21:08] MONEY IS THE BEST PERSON. AND, UM. >> YEAH.
[02:21:12] >> I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THAT. >> YEAH. THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN A MEME.
[02:21:15] >> THOSE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS. >> THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
[02:21:18] NO, I GET IT. AND I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ANALYSIS.
[02:21:22] MARTHA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CALL. AND
[02:21:26] THAT'S SPOT ON STUFF. THANK YOU. NICHOLAS IN SAN CRISTOBAL, MEXICO. HEY, NICHOLAS, WHAT'S ON
[02:21:29] YOUR MIND TODAY?
[02:21:31] >> OH, SAID, DOLLY PARTON HAS DIED.
[02:21:35] >> YEAH. ISN'T IT SAD? >> OH, GOD, I CAN'T TAKE IT. I
[02:21:39] CAN'T LET MYSELF EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. I ADORED
[02:21:41] THAT WELL, LET'S DON'T TALK
[02:21:47] ABOUT THAT. I CAN'T, I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT LATER. THAT'S JUST BEYOND HORRIBLE.
[02:21:50] >> SHE HAD A GOOD LIFE. >> UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
[02:21:54] SOMETHING PECULIAR, AND I'M
[02:21:56] HOPING YOU DON'T IMMEDIATELY
[02:21:59] DISMISS IT AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S
[02:22:03] FAR TOO MUCH BEHIND IT ALL BE A
[02:22:05] CONSPIRACY THEORY, BASICALLY. I
[02:22:08] WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HIGHER UP
[02:22:12] IN ECHELONS OF THE ARMY OR THE
[02:22:14] STATE OR GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL,
[02:22:18] OR POLITICAL PARTIES IN GENERAL. THE HIGHER UP YOU GO, THE MORE
[02:22:20] DRUG USE YOU ENCOUNTER. I KNOW
[02:22:23] THAT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., YEARS AGO. AND
[02:22:26] BY THE WAY, YOU DID SAY THAT GAY
[02:22:29] REPUBLICANS WERE AS RARE AS HEN'S TEETH. I THINK WHAT YOU
[02:22:32] MEANT TO SAY WAS GAY LOG CABIN
[02:22:36] REPUBLICANS WERE. >> OH, YEAH. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. >> WHAT WE WHAT WE KNOW TO BE
[02:22:40] TRUE IS EVERY TIME REPUBLICANS GATHER IN LARGE NUMBERS, THE
[02:22:44] FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS IS THEY CRASH THE GAY GRINDR CONNECTION SITE.
[02:22:47] >> YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S THE LINDSEY GRAHAM SYNDROME. YEAH. I
[02:22:51] GET IT. >> WELL, IT GOES WAY BEYOND. FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I
[02:22:56] CAN'T GET INTO IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU. OH MY GOD. YEAH, AND
[02:22:59] HERE'S A FUNNY ONE. HUNTER BIDEN CAME UP WITH A TERM HE
[02:23:03] CALLS THE GAY REPUBLICANS CLOSET
[02:23:06] THEOCRACY >> AUTOCRACY, THE CLOSET CAUCUS.
[02:23:09] THAT'S BRILLIANT. YEAH. >> ISN'T THAT BRILLIANT?
[02:23:11] >> IT REALLY IS. NICHOLAS.
[02:23:13] >> AND AT ABOUT IS SOMETHING
[02:23:16] THAT'S SERIOUS. >> OKAY, NICHOLAS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO CALL BACK A
[02:23:20] LITTLE LATER ON TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I'M JUST HITTING A BREAK RIGHT HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE
[02:23:24] JUST BURN THROUGH A MINUTE AND A HALF. CAN YOU. >> HOLD ME OVER BY ANY CHANCE?
[02:23:28] >> I CAN'T, WE JUST DON'T DO THAT ON THE SHOW. BUT I'LL GIVE
[02:23:31] YOU A DISPENSATION HERE TO CALL AGAIN LATER IN THE WEEK. IF YOU
[02:23:35] IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M SORRY. I'M OUT OF TIME. GOOD TALKING TO YOU, NICHOLAS. AND THANKS FOR
[02:23:38] THE CALL FROM MEXICO. 21 MINUTES
[02:23:40] PAST THE HOUR. WE'LL BE BACK.
[02:23:43] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[02:23:58] [MUSIC] >> WHAT NEWS? THAT ACTUALLY HAS YOUR BACK. THE COMMONWEALTH
[02:24:02] REPORT BRINGS YOU HONEST, UNFILTERED REPORTING. NEWS FOR
[02:24:05] THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. >> TWICE DAILY ON C-SPAN 2.
[02:24:09] WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO SIMULCASTS, FEATURING
[02:24:10] VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN
[02:24:13] POLITICS, AT 9 A.M. EASTERN, MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE
[02:24:16] MICHAEL SMERCONISH PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE
[02:24:19] POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM
[02:24:22] HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORY.
[02:24:25] >> YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOUNG THESE
[02:24:28] DAYS, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AND HOW OLD I AM.
[02:24:31] ANYWAY, I LOVED DOLLY PARTON. I
[02:24:36] STARTED IN RADIO AS A COUNTRY WESTERN DEEJAY, AND I HAVE JUST ALWAYS LOVED DOLLY PARTON AND
[02:24:40] HER MUSIC AND HER AND HERSELF AS
[02:24:43] A PERSON. SHE'S JUST A
[02:24:45] FUNDAMENTALLY DECENT HUMAN BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUR. STEVE VLADECK IS GOING TO DROP BY AND
[02:24:49] FILL US IN ON HIS. HE'S A
[02:24:52] BRILLIANT ATTORNEY, AND A AND A GOOD ANALYST FOR THE SUPREME COURT. ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
[02:24:56] THIS WHOLE MAIL IN BALLOT THING. SO LET'S PICK UP SOME CALLS
[02:24:59] HERE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. DAVE IN NEW LONDON, CONNECTICUT. HEY,
[02:25:03] DAVE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.
[02:25:06] TOM. REAL QUICK, I'D LIKE TO
[02:25:08] SEE SOME OF THE PROGRESSIVE
[02:25:11] CANDIDATES ATTACK THE CORPORATE MEDIA, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW,
[02:25:14] IF WE HAD MEDICARE FOR ALL, ALL THOSE HEALTH CARE COMMERCIALS
[02:25:18] WOULD KIND OF HURT THEIR SALARY.
[02:25:21] YEP. WHEN IT COMES, YOU KNOW, REALLY ATTACK THEM UM, AND THEY
[02:25:25] NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY SEEN AN INTERVIEW WITH CASEY
[02:25:28] HUNT. SHE WAS TALKING ALL THESE
[02:25:30] PEOPLE, THEY NEED TO GET RIGHT ON THEIR SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING
[02:25:34] TO SAY. DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION WITH THE
[02:25:37] PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES ARE
[02:25:38] SAYING, AND GET THE WORD OUT.
[02:25:42] UM, EVERYBODY HATES THE MEDIA, ESPECIALLY THE CORPORATE MEDIA. THEY NEED TO ATTACK THEM.
[02:25:45] THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS TRUMP DOES WELL IS HE ATTACKS THE
[02:25:48] MEDIA. HE LIES. HE'S NO FRIGGIN
[02:25:50] GOOD. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE
[02:25:54] PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES NEED TO DO. >> I'M WITH YOU. I AND THIS WAS
[02:25:58] A STRATEGY THAT THEY CAME UP
[02:26:00] WITH BACK DURING THE, THE REAGAN
[02:26:03] ERA WAS ATTACKING WHAT THEY CALL
[02:26:05] LIBERAL BIAS IN THE MEDIA. AND,
[02:26:09] UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF. LEE ATWATER WAS PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS
[02:26:12] PROPONENT OF IT. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE WORK, THE REFS THING THAT
[02:26:14] WAS ACTUALLY RICH BOND, WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RNC BACK IN
[02:26:17] THE LATE 70s, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO WORK THE REFS.
[02:26:21] AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE
[02:26:23] BEEN DOING. AND TO THIS DAY, MOST PEOPLE THINK WE HAVE A LIBERAL MEDIA IN AMERICA, AND WE
[02:26:27] DON'T. WE HAVE A FACTUAL MEDIA, AND WE'VE GOT A RIGHT WING
[02:26:29] MEDIA AND THE RIGHT WING MEDIA. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A LIBERAL MEDIA, YOU'RE LOOKING
[02:26:33] AT IT OR LISTENING TO IT RIGHT
[02:26:35] NOW, AND IT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S TINY COMPARED TO THE SIZE
[02:26:38] OF. YEAH, WELL, THANK YOU, BUT IT'S STILL TINY COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF CBS OR NBC, YOU KNOW,
[02:26:42] WHICH IS NOW OWNED BY A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE, CNN, WHICH IS
[02:26:45] ABOUT TO BE OWNED BY A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE. UM, YOU KNOW,
[02:26:49] HUNDREDS OF TELEVISION STATIONS OWNED BY SINCLAIR AND OTHER RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRES. THE
[02:26:53] 1500 RIGHT WING RADIO STATIONS OWNED BY RIGHT WING
[02:26:56] BILLIONAIRES, IT'S WILD STUFF. UH, DAVE, THANK YOU FOR THE
[02:26:59] CALL. MARIA IN ATLANTA. HEY, MARIA. THANKS FOR WATCHING US ON
[02:27:02] C-SPAN. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
[02:27:05] >> MR. TOM HOMAN, HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> I'M FINE.
[02:27:08] >> HOPE YOU ARE TOO.
[02:27:11] >> FIRST, I'M DOING PRETTY. ALL RIGHT. FIRST TIME CALLER. I
[02:27:14] LEARNED ABOUT YOU LISTENING TO
[02:27:16] C-SPAN THANK YOU. YOU ARE SO
[02:27:20] DOWN TO EARTH, AND I LOVE THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN THINGS. SO I
[02:27:24] WANT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT
[02:27:31] I'M 64 AND VOTING SINCE I WAS
[02:27:32] ABLE AND I KNOW VOTING HAS DONE
[02:27:35] SOME GOOD. I'M AWARE OF THAT. BUT I'M BEGINNING TO BELIEVE
[02:27:39] DOES IT, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN
[02:27:40] PARTY, DOES IT DO ANY GOOD
[02:27:44] OVERALL? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE STILL STRUGGLE? YEAH. I
[02:27:47] MEAN, YOU AND SOME PEOPLE, YOU COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE LIVING
[02:27:50] OFF $1,000 AND SOME CHANGE A
[02:27:52] MONTH AT $24 STAMPS. AND THEN
[02:27:54] THEY SAY, THIS IS THE GREATEST
[02:27:57] COUNTRY. I SEE MY PARENTS
[02:28:00] STRUGGLE. THEIR PARENTS STRUGGLE
[02:28:02] IT'S A CONTINUED 2026. AND
[02:28:05] SOMETIMES WE GET TO A PLACE LIKE
[02:28:08] EVEN WANT TO VOTE NO MORE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL STRUGGLING.
[02:28:11] >> WELL, THERE'S SOME GOOD PEOPLE COMING UP. >> I TRIED DOLLAR. EVERY NOW AND
[02:28:15] THEN, MAYBE I HIT THE LOTTERY
[02:28:16] AND HAVE A HOUSE LEAVE TO BUT
[02:28:21] YEAH, IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING. DON'T GIVE UP. >> THERE ARE REALLY SOME GOOD
[02:28:24] PEOPLE COMING UP. WE'VE GOT SOME YOUNG PROGRESSIVES WHO ARE
[02:28:27] COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW.
[02:28:30] >> THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE
[02:28:34] UP. AND CAN THEY DO IT BY
[02:28:36] THEMSELVES? SHOULD WE STILL BE STRUGGLING IN 2026?
[02:28:40] >> WE SHOULDN'T BE. BUT, YOU
[02:28:42] KNOW, WE'VE HAD 45 YEARS OF REPUBLICAN NEOLIBERAL RULE,
[02:28:46] ESSENTIALLY. AND IT HAS JUST GUTTED THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. AND WE'VE GOT TO BUILD
[02:28:50] THE MIDDLE CLASS BACK. WE NEED WE NEED TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE
[02:28:53] THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT
[02:28:56] THIS YEAR. BUT EVEN IN YOUR TOWN IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, WHERE I
[02:29:00] USED TO LIVE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE. >> JON OSSOFF.
[02:29:04] >> YEAH, YEAH. FOR SURE. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD PEOPLE, SO
[02:29:06] DON'T GIVE UP. MARIA. DON'T, DON'T GIVE UP. WE STILL NEED TO
[02:29:10] BE. WE NEED TO GO DOWN FIGHTING. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT
[02:29:14] THREE YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A MAJOR TRANSFORMATION HERE IN
[02:29:17] THIS COUNTRY. MARIA I GOT TO RUN. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CALL AND THANKS FOR WATCHING US.
[02:29:20] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
[02:29:21] HARTMANN PROGRAM. CALL 202 808
[02:29:25] 9925. >> 27 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR.
[02:29:27] I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU. AND, UH. AND WITH STEPHEN VLADECK ON THE
[02:29:31] OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK. STAY
[02:29:35] TUNED.
[02:29:36] >> [MUSIC]
[02:29:49] >> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
[02:29:51] TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE
[02:29:56] BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES, JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING, AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
[02:30:00] IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS
[02:30:03] FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE
[02:30:05] POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS
[02:30:09] TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW? TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA
[02:30:13] COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI
[02:30:16] INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE
[02:30:18] WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
[02:30:21] FORD, CALLING HIM THE. THE LESS CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE
[02:30:25] BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO MAYOR ROB FORD. FORD HAD
[02:30:28] THREATENED TO CUT OFF
[02:30:29] ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
[02:30:33] CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD SAYS ONTARIO POWERS 1.5 MILLION
[02:30:36] HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE BORDER, AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE
[02:30:39] TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT
[02:30:41] TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF
[02:30:45] BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING
[02:30:49] CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS GOVERNOR
[02:30:52] AND WARNED THAT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE FAR WORSE.
[02:30:56] HERE'S WHAT MATTERS OUR CLOSEST
[02:30:59] ALLY AND LONGEST TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING
[02:31:03] FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
[02:31:05] BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL. MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
[02:31:09] 000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS
[02:31:13] GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP
[02:31:16] TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
[02:31:18] FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
[02:31:22] REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
[02:31:25] DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
[02:31:27] B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
[02:31:30] 2016 AND 2026. AND THE WHOLE
[02:31:32] THING RUNS THROUGH HOMELAND SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE
[02:31:36] ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
[02:31:40] DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
[02:31:44] STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
[02:31:47] 175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
[02:31:50] CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
[02:31:52] POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW,
[02:31:55] PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING. IT
[02:31:57] TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
[02:32:01] ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
[02:32:05] TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
[02:32:09] THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
[02:32:12] GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE
[02:32:15] EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT
[02:32:18] TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
[02:32:20] BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
[02:32:22] THE REST. AROUND 320 TO 380V.
[02:32:26] THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN, AND
[02:32:29] DISABLED PEOPLE, A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN
[02:32:33] DIED IN A RICHMOND, KENTUCKY,
[02:32:35] JAIL IN 2024 AFTER BEING SHOT
[02:32:38] SHOCKED 27 TIMES WITH THE GLOVES
[02:32:40] AND 13 MORE TIMES WITH A TASER.
[02:32:43] TWO OF THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND
[02:32:45] 99 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN ROLNICK BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE
[02:32:49] IS, QUOTE, TOO QUICK TO USE
[02:32:51] FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON
[02:32:53] ON A FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
[02:32:57] WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES
[02:33:01] SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES
[02:33:03] REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
[02:33:07] PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
[02:33:11] IMMIGRATION IN THE COST OF LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE
[02:33:14] KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING
[02:33:17] RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
[02:33:20] HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF. JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
[02:33:23] SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO
[02:33:26] SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS.
[02:33:29] KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING, JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
[02:33:32] TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY
[02:33:34] CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW
[02:33:38] THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND
[02:33:42] KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
[02:33:45] WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
[02:33:47] WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S
[02:33:50] EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER POLLUTION FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE
[02:33:53] CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
[02:33:57] PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES, HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
[02:34:00] WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
[02:34:04] CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES
[02:34:07] VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY
[02:34:09] COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY. DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN
[02:34:13] OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND HEAVY METALS FROM DOZENS OF
[02:34:16] DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY
[02:34:19] CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY
[02:34:23] UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA
[02:34:27] AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
[02:34:30] AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE
[02:34:33] BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S
[02:34:36] THE WHOLE POINT. MYSTERY ALERT, WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN MOSCOW
[02:34:40] AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO GOVERNMENTS WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY
[02:34:44] TUESDAY MORNING, A U.S. AIR
[02:34:48] FORCE C-17 GLOBEMASTER CALLSIGN CH4555 LIFTED, LIFTED OFF FROM
[02:34:51] RIGA, LATVIA, AND TOUCHED DOWN
[02:34:54] AT VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW, JUST AFTER 10:00 IN THE
[02:34:57] MORNING LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT
[02:35:00] PLAN LISTED NO DESTINATION BEFORE RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE ANDREWS IN MARYLAND,
[02:35:05] HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS POSTED VIDEO OF A
[02:35:08] MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE KREMLIN, AND YOU
[02:35:12] GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN. YOU GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE
[02:35:16] HAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE
[02:35:19] PLANNED THIS WEEK. ASKED THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE OR EITHER EMBASSY, AND YOU GET
[02:35:22] SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST POSTPONED A MOSCOW
[02:35:26] TRIP. SO WHO FLEW A MILITARY
[02:35:30] TRANSPORT INTO VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY
[02:35:33] SAY? AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
[02:35:36] TODAY. TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th,
[02:35:38] 2026. I'M TOM HARTMANN.
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[02:37:14] 2026. TODAY, A COLLECTION OF
[02:37:18] CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY SCRUTINIZED IMPORTANT ISSUES.
[02:37:20] >> HE IS AN ATTORNEY. UM, UH,
[02:37:25] UH, A ACTUALLY, STEPHEN IS ALSO
[02:37:27] A, UH, UH, LET ME CLICK ABOUT R
[02:37:31] YOU'RE A, YOU'RE A PROFESSOR OF
[02:37:35] LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, RIGHT? >> UH, SO I WAS A TEXAS, I'M NOW
[02:37:39] AT GEORGETOWN. >> OH, AT GEORGETOWN. COOL. I,
[02:37:41] YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I READ YOUR NEWSLETTER,
[02:37:45] UH, STEVE IS THE AUTHOR OF ONE FIRST, WHICH IS A GREAT
[02:37:47] NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK. HIS
[02:37:50] WEBSITE IS STEVE VLADECK,
[02:37:55] STEVEVLADECK.COM. AND, UH, JUST AN ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT PIECE
[02:37:59] HERE. AND YOU AND YOU HAD SOME
[02:38:01] REALLY THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL OBSERVATIONS ON THIS SUPREME
[02:38:04] COURT DECISION AROUND TRUMP'S EFFORTS TO STOP US FROM VOTING
[02:38:07] BY MAIL. BASICALLY, YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT IT?
[02:38:11] >> SURE, TOM. I MEAN, I THINK THE THE TRICKY PART IS THAT A NUMBER OF OUTLETS, WHEN THIS
[02:38:14] RULING CAME DOWN YESTERDAY
[02:38:16] AFTERNOON, REPORTED IT AS THE SUPREME COURT CLEARING THE WAY
[02:38:19] FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO INTERFERE WITH MAIL BALLOTS IN THE
[02:38:21] NOVEMBER ELECTION. UM, AND, YOU
[02:38:23] KNOW, AS PROBLEMATIC AS I THINK THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION
[02:38:27] WAS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COURT DID. UM, THERE'S STILL A
[02:38:30] SEPARATE RULING IN A DIFFERENT CASE THAT IS BLOCKING PRESIDENT
[02:38:33] TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDER ABOUT MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM GOING INTO
[02:38:36] EFFECT. AND ALSO, THERE IS
[02:38:39] LITIGATION, PERHAPS AS SOON AS TODAY, THAT'S GOING TO RESULT
[02:38:43] IN A YET THIRD INJUNCTION BLOCKING THE RULE THAT THE U.S.
[02:38:46] POSTAL SERVICE PUT OUT LAST FRIDAY, PURPORTING TO IMPLEMENT THAT ORDER. SO IT'S JUST TRYING
[02:38:50] TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT THE SUPREME COURT INTERVENED IN
[02:38:54] A WAY THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF
[02:38:57] LITIGATION BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE
[02:38:59] RIGHT NOW AND THIS REALLY
[02:39:03] PROBLEMATIC EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THIS REALLY PROBLEMATIC RULE FROM GOING INTO EFFECT.
[02:39:06] >> WELL, WHEN I READ THE PARTICULARLY KETANJI BROWN
[02:39:10] JACKSON'S, UH DISSENT,
[02:39:13] ESSENTIALLY IN THIS, UH, IT
[02:39:16] SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS JUST AN OFF THE WALL, JUST THIS, THIS
[02:39:20] ITSELF, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT, IS NOT
[02:39:22] THAT HUGE A DEAL RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT THIS WAS OFF THE WALL. I
[02:39:26] MEAN, SHOULD WE EXPECT MORE OFF THE WAY I REALIZE IT'S NOT A
[02:39:28] LEGAL TERM, BUT YEAH,
[02:39:32] >> IT'S, IT'S THE SUPREME COURT IN 2026. I THINK WE'VE LEFT A
[02:39:34] LOT OF LEGAL TERMS BY THE
[02:39:36] WAYSIDE. INDEED. UM, SO I, I
[02:39:39] THINK, TOM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS,
[02:39:42] UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE SUPREME COURT OTHER
[02:39:45] THAN THAT THE COURT IS SUPREMELY
[02:39:48] CONFIDENT IN ITS ABILITY TO RESOLVE THESE CASES. AND SO I
[02:39:52] THINK THE, THE REAL MORAL OF THE STORY HERE IS THAT THE
[02:39:54] LITIGATION ABOUT PRESIDENT
[02:39:56] TRUMP'S EFFORT TO NOT KILL MAIL IN VOTING, BUT TO LIMIT IT TO
[02:40:00] BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, PREVENT THE POSTAL SERVICE FROM DELIVERING
[02:40:04] BALLOTS TO FOLKS WHO DON'T SHOW
[02:40:06] UP ON THE RIGHT LISTS OF
[02:40:10] CITIZENS. THAT LITIGATION IS STILL ONGOING. AND WHAT THE SUPREME COURT RULED YESTERDAY IS
[02:40:13] JUST THAT ONE SET OF CHALLENGES TO THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER, BROUGHT
[02:40:17] BY 23 BLUE STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA WERE
[02:40:21] PREMATURE. UM, AND BASICALLY
[02:40:22] THAT THEY HAD FILED TOO EARLY. TOM. NOW, THE QUESTION IS RIGHT.
[02:40:26] IT'S NOT TOO EARLY ANYMORE. THE
[02:40:28] POSTAL SERVICE PUT OUT ITS RULE ON FRIDAY. THIS IS NOW WHAT THE
[02:40:31] LAWYERS WOULD CALL A RIPE CHALLENGE. AND SO WHEN NOT IF
[02:40:34] THIS GOES BACK TO THE SUPREME COURT, I THINK THE QUESTION IS,
[02:40:37] WILL THE JUSTICES ACTUALLY SAY
[02:40:39] ON THE MERITS THE GOVERNMENT'S
[02:40:42] ALLOWED TO DO THIS, OR WILL THEY ACTUALLY SAY WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, WHICH IS THE
[02:40:46] PRESIDENT, BY HIMSELF, HAS NO POWER TO INTERFERE WITH THE
[02:40:49] DISTRIBUTION OF BALLOTS, THE WAY THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE RULE PURPORTS TO.
[02:40:53] >> WELL, AND ISN'T THAT FAIRLY CLEAR IN THE CONSTITUTION,
[02:40:56] STEVE. >> IT IS. I MEAN, ARTICLE ONE,
[02:40:59] SECTION FOUR OF THE CONSTITUTION LEAVES THE RULES GOVERNING
[02:41:02] CONGRESSIONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS TO STATES. IN THE
[02:41:06] FIRST INSTANCE, CONGRESS CAN STEP IN. I MEAN, CONGRESS IS
[02:41:09] ALLOWED TO MAKE RULES TO GOVERN
[02:41:11] THE TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER OF
[02:41:15] CONGRESSIONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. BUT, OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS PART
[02:41:18] OF WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO TRYING TO
[02:41:21] GET CONGRESS TO PASS THE SO-CALLED SAVE AMERICA ACT. THIS
[02:41:25] IS JUST AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. AND
[02:41:28] SO IF THE SUPREME COURT, ON THE
[02:41:30] MERITS, UM, ACTUALLY CONFRONTS
[02:41:33] THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER TO DO
[02:41:35] THIS, I THINK EVEN THIS SUPREME COURT PROBABLY SAYS, NO, THE
[02:41:39] CONCERN IS WHETHER THE COURT WILL TRY TO INVENT SOME KIND OF
[02:41:43] PROCEDURAL CONTRIVANCE TO ALLOW
[02:41:47] THE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION. TOM, WITHOUT REACHING THE MERITS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT FOLKS ARE WORRIED
[02:41:51] ABOUT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. >> YEAH. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S
[02:41:54] WHEN AMERICA BECOMES PUTIN'S RUSSIA, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO
[02:41:58] VOTE. IF IF THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES OF YOU. UM.
[02:42:01] >> I THINK THIS THIS IS THIS IS THE CONCERN. AND I THINK, YOU
[02:42:04] KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT CONGRESS
[02:42:06] CAN REQUIRE STATES TO DOUBLE
[02:42:09] CHECK, YOU KNOW, WHO RECEIVES A MAIL IN BALLOT AND WHO VOTES BY MAIL IN BALLOT AGAINST SOME KIND
[02:42:13] OF FEDERAL LIST, IS A HARDER QUESTION, TOM. BUT WHETHER THE
[02:42:16] PRESIDENT CAN DO IT UNILATERALLY JUST SHOULD NOT BE.
[02:42:19] >> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ON THE THE POSSIBILITY THAT I'VE
[02:42:23] HEARD FLOATED THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STURM AND
[02:42:26] DRANG THAT'S GOING TO SIGNIFY NOTHING. AND IN THE MOMENT, BUT
[02:42:29] REALLY, WHAT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO SET UP
[02:42:33] IS THE 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
[02:42:37] >> I THINK THAT'S DISTINCTLY POSSIBLE. I ALSO THINK IT'S PART
[02:42:40] OF JUST THIS BROADER PROJECT TO
[02:42:43] SOW MORE DOUBT ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS AND THEIR INTEGRITY IN
[02:42:46] GENERAL, RIGHT? THAT EVEN IF THIS PARTICULAR ORDER AND THIS
[02:42:49] EFFORT BACKFIRES, OR IT'S ULTIMATELY BLOCKED BY THE
[02:42:52] COURTS, YOU STILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE MEDIA COVERAGE OF CONCERNS
[02:42:56] ABOUT MAIL IN BALLOTS, RIGHT?
[02:42:58] CONCERNS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN SERIOUSLY SUBSTANTIATED,
[02:43:01] CONCERNS ABOUT NONCITIZEN VOTING WHEN THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE SO
[02:43:05] SMALL AS TO REALLY SUGGEST THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A SOLUTION IN
[02:43:08] SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, 2028 IS OBVIOUSLY ONE THING TO BE
[02:43:12] WORRIED ABOUT HERE. ALTHOUGH IF THERE'S A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE
[02:43:15] BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THAT COULD
[02:43:16] GO A LONG WAY TOWARD ABATING, THOSE CONCERNS. I THINK THE
[02:43:20] BIGGER PROBLEM IS JUST MORE OF
[02:43:22] THIS SORT OF GENERAL EFFORT TO DELEGITIMIZE THE LEGITIMACY, THE
[02:43:26] FAIRNESS, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS IN GENERAL, SO
[02:43:30] THAT IF AND WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
[02:43:33] LOSES WRIGHT, IF AND WHEN REPUBLICANS LOSE, THE NARRATIVE
[02:43:36] IS NOT, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW,
[02:43:38] DEMOCRATS WON FAIR AND SQUARE. THE NARRATIVE IS SOMETHING NEFARIOUS AND MISCHIEVOUS
[02:43:42] HAPPENED. >> LIKE IN 2020. >> YEAH, EXACTLY.
[02:43:45] >> SO YEAH. YEAH. REMARKABLE. SO
[02:43:48] IS THERE, UH, I THINK IT FEELS
[02:43:50] TO ME LIKE WE'RE KIND OF
[02:43:53] REDUCED TO THE, TO THE POSITION OF BEING PASSIVE OBSERVERS,
[02:43:56] GIVEN THAT MOST OF THIS IS HAPPENING VIS A VIS THE SUPREME
[02:43:59] COURT, IS THERE ANY ACTION THAT
[02:44:03] INDIVIDUAL VOTERS, INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS, CAN TAKE TO,
[02:44:06] TO, UH, TO HELP BLOCK THESE KIND
[02:44:08] OF THINGS OR RESOLVE THIS ISSUE
[02:44:11] OR RETURN SOME FAITH TO OUR SYSTEM? >> SO I THINK FOR THE MOMENT,
[02:44:15] THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL GOING TO VOTE COME NOVEMBER. AND I THINK,
[02:44:19] YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE, ALL OF THIS
[02:44:22] SHOULD JUST LEAD US TO HAVE A PLAN TO DOUBLE CHECK OUR PLAN,
[02:44:25] TO NOT LEAVE IT FOR THE LAST MINUTE TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT
[02:44:28] ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE IN OUR
[02:44:31] JURISDICTION FOR WHEN AND HOW YOU VOTE. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE
[02:44:33] VOTE, TOM, TO PUSH THE FOLKS WHO
[02:44:36] WE ELECT TO ACTUALLY PURSUE MORE LONG LASTING STRUCTURAL REFORMS
[02:44:40] THAT WILL MAKE IT HARDER FOR FUTURE PRESIDENTS OF ANY STRIPE
[02:44:44] TO TRY TO ASSERT THESE KINDS OF UNILATERAL POWERS. I THINK
[02:44:47] THAT'S, THAT'S GOT TO BE THE PROCESS HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE FOLKS AT HOME, I THINK, CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
[02:44:50] >> THERE YOU GO, STEVE. STEVE
[02:44:53] VLADECK, AN ATTORNEY. HIS NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS ONE
[02:44:56] FIRST. UH, YOU CAN AND THE
[02:44:58] WEBSITE IS STEVE VLADECK
[02:45:01] VLADECK, PROFESSOR OF LAW AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY. STEVE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR DROPPING BY.
[02:45:05] I LEARNED A LOT. THANK YOU. >> THANKS, TOM. THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
[02:45:09] >> GREAT. GREAT TO TALK WITH YOU. GREAT MEETING YOU. IT'S 43 MINUTES
[02:45:13] >> [MUSIC] >> PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF THE DAY AND YOUR CALLS IN JUST A MOMENT.
[02:45:16] STAY TUNED
[02:45:20] >> [MUSIC]
[02:45:25] >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO TOM
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[02:45:43] >> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
[02:45:51] >> AND WELCOME BACK, RON IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, CALIFORNIA. HEY, RON, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
[02:45:54] TODAY RON IN HUNTINGTON BEACH,
[02:46:02] CALIFORNIA >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> OH, YEAH. THERE YOU ARE. CAN
[02:46:06] YOU HEAR ME? WERE YOU MUTED? >> OH.
[02:46:08] >> PERFECT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS
[02:46:11] MUTED, BUT, UH, I'M NOT MUTED. ANYMORE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH
[02:46:14] FOR TAKING MY CALL. >> SURE
[02:46:17] >> WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO AND WHAT I SPOKE WITH YOUR SCREENER
[02:46:21] ABOUT WAS, UH, THIS JOKE ABOUT,
[02:46:26] UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION POSTING ON LINKEDIN, UH, TOUTING
[02:46:29] THAT THEIR, UH, CONTINUING THIS
[02:46:34] PROGRAM, WHICH THAT'S GREAT. IT'S FORGIVABLE LOANS. >> FOR PELL GRANTS.
[02:46:37] >> I THINK IT'S, YEAH, 7500,
[02:46:40] SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. >> AND DATE BACK TO JIMMY
[02:46:44] CARTER, AS I RECALL.
[02:46:45] >> YEAH. AND I'VE, I'VE POSTED
[02:46:48] ABOUT UH, IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO
[02:46:54] THEIR RIDICULOUS GUESS, FOR LACK
[02:47:00] OF A BETTER TERM, SAYING, YOU KNOW, AMERICA NEEDS TO DO BETTER
[02:47:03] THAN THIS. AND THEN
[02:47:05] CONSERVATIVELY, TOM, I'M THEN
[02:47:10] I'M GOING TO TAKE AIR. BUT
[02:47:15] BASICALLY, UH THE DICHOTOMY
[02:47:20] BETWEEN OUR FUNDING FOR, UH
[02:47:27] DEFENSE BEING ABOUT $1 TRILLION
[02:47:30] NOW AND OUR FUNDING FOR
[02:47:32] EDUCATION, WHICH IS MAYBE ABOUT
[02:47:35] 69, 70 BILLION. AND WITH THE,
[02:47:37] UH, WITH THE SALARIES OF EACH OF
[02:47:41] THOSE SECRETARIES BEING, I THINK IT'S LIKE 250 GRAND A YEAR,
[02:47:44] WHICH THAT'S FINE. UM, I.
[02:47:47] >> I JUST WANT HOW RIDICULOUS IS
[02:47:50] THIS? AND WHY CAN'T WE WRITE
[02:47:53] THIS IN THE, IN THE U.S. BUDGET
[02:47:55] EVERY YEAR? IF ANYONE NEEDS A
[02:47:58] EDUCATION, ANYONE WANTS EDUCATION, THEY SHOULD HAVE A
[02:48:01] RIGHT TO. AND WE SHOULD WRITE IT IN THE BUDGET EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
[02:48:05] >> YEAH. THE WAR ON EDUCATION REALLY STARTED WITH THE REAGAN
[02:48:08] ADMINISTRATION, WHEN HE PUT BILL BENNETT IN CHARGE OF THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT. BILL
[02:48:12] BENNETT, THE GUY WHO FAMOUSLY WENT ON ABC TELEVISION AND SAID,
[02:48:16] IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE CRIME PROBLEM IN AMERICA, JUST ABORT
[02:48:19] EVERY BLACK BABY. BILL BENNETT. >> OH MY GOD.
[02:48:23] >> YEAH, HE REALLY DID. AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN FIND, YOU CAN. IN FACT, I'VE PLAYED THE CLIP ON,
[02:48:26] ON THE PROGRAM A NUMBER OF TIMES. IT'S DISGUSTING. BUT
[02:48:29] IT'S OUT THERE. YOU CAN EASILY FIND IT. UM, HE WAS THE GUY
[02:48:32] ALSO. WHO, WHO CUT, UH, CUT
[02:48:36] EDUCATION FUNDING, UH, BY ABOUT 20%, I THINK IT WAS 18% CUT IN
[02:48:39] THE FIRST YEAR OF THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION FOR FEDERAL
[02:48:42] SUPPORT FOR SCHOOLS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UM, WHEN REAGAN
[02:48:45] CAME INTO OFFICE, 80% OF THE COST OF GOING TO COLLEGE WAS
[02:48:49] PAID FOR BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, AND 20% WAS YOUR
[02:48:52] TUITION, WHICH IS WHY YOU COULD GO TO COLLEGE FOR 500 BUCKS A
[02:48:55] SEMESTER. UM, NOW IT'S 80% OF YOUR TUITION, AND ONLY 20% IS
[02:48:59] COVERED BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO, AND BILL BENNETT
[02:49:03] WAS ALSO THE GUY WHO GUTTED FUNDING FOR CIVICS PROGRAMS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALL AROUND THE
[02:49:07] COUNTRY. REPUBLICANS JUST DON'T WANT A WELL-EDUCATED POPULACE.
[02:49:11] THEY KNOW THAT THEY DO POORLY WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOOD
[02:49:13] EDUCATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP FAMOUSLY SAID, I LOVE THE POORLY EDUCATED.
[02:49:17] THAT'S WHY. AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MYSTERY HERE,
[02:49:21] RON. WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED WE
[02:49:25] NEED TO GET BACK TO THIS IDEA THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO THINGS AND HAS A ROLE IN
[02:49:28] DOING THINGS AND CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE, SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS HATE, BECAUSE THAT
[02:49:32] MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAX BILLIONAIRES TO PAY FOR IT, AND
[02:49:35] THEY'RE UNWILLING TO DO THAT. SO, RON, I GOTTA RUN. BUT THANKS
[02:49:38] FOR THE CALL. GREAT POINTS. GOOD
[02:49:40] TALKING TO YOU. IT'S 47 MINUTES
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[02:51:13] WEDNESDAY, A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION, AND ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE
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[02:51:20] SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II. >> IN AUBURN, WASHINGTON. HEY,
[02:51:24] LINDA, WHAT'S UP?
[02:51:28] >> YES, I WANTED TO. I JUST
[02:51:30] OCCURRED TO ME TODAY THAT, UM,
[02:51:34] PROGRESSIVES COULD HAVE SORT OF
[02:51:37] BROUGHT TRUMP AND SOMEBODY LIKE
[02:51:39] HIM INTO POWER BY, , JUST STAND
[02:51:41] ON ABORTIONS WITH THE PLANNED
[02:51:44] PARENTHOOD, BECAUSE WE ALREADY
[02:51:47] HAD A LARGE POPULATION OF CATHOLICS THAT CAME IN AFTER THE
[02:51:51] CIVIL WAR. AND THEN THEY DON'T
[02:51:54] SUPPORT ABORTION. SO THEY WERE, I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAD HER
[02:51:57] CHILD AT AGE 18, GOT PREGNANT,
[02:52:02] AND THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF THE CHILD WANTED TO GET MARRIED,
[02:52:06] BUT THE MOTHER DIDN'T FEEL GOOD
[02:52:08] ABOUT THIS YOUNG MAN. SO THEY HAD THE BABY PUT UP FOR
[02:52:12] ADOPTION. THEY HAD HER BROUGHT TO STAY WITH NUNS, HAVE THE
[02:52:16] BABY, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? MONEY OFF OF
[02:52:19] THAT DEAL. >> SO I DOUBT.
[02:52:22] >> A LOT OF THE SO ANYWAY, A LOT
[02:52:28] OF THE BABIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN ABORTED ARE IN POORER
[02:52:31] NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN. IN THE
[02:52:34] PAST. WELL, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN
[02:52:36] RAISED CATHOLICS COULD, YOU
[02:52:40] KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY. >> LINDA, NOT EVERY CATHOLIC IS
[02:52:44] ANTI-ABORTION. IN FACT, MOST CATHOLICS NOW NO LONGER HAVE
[02:52:46] LARGE FAMILIES LIKE THEY USED TO
[02:52:48] HAVE. SO I, I, I'M NOT REAL CONCERNED. RON AND HAMILTON
[02:52:52] FIELD, CALIFORNIA. HEY, RON, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
[02:52:56] >> WELL.
[02:52:59] >> ASKING THE WORLD TO SANCTION
[02:53:01] IRAN AND SUCH CAN'T HAVE ANY
[02:53:03] LIFE WHEN THEY HAVE A TRAIN
[02:53:06] PARTNER. BEING CHINA, AND THAT WOULD AFFECT CHINA IN A VERY
[02:53:10] NEGATIVE WAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT
[02:53:11] IT. SO MY QUESTION IS, THESE
[02:53:14] NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD THAT WON'T THIS THREAT, IF YOU
[02:53:18] DON'T FOLLOW US AND TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO,
[02:53:21] YOU'RE OUT OF OUR PICTURE
[02:53:24] SOMEHOW. WHERE IS THERE INCENTIVE NOW TO BE SELF
[02:53:27] PROTECTED? WILL THIS EXTEND THE NUCLEAR FIELD BEYOND ANYTHING WE
[02:53:31] HAD IN IMAGINATION? FOR WE. THIS
[02:53:34] GOES BACK TO WHEN WE FIRST
[02:53:37] STARTED WITH NUCLEAR ENERGY AND THE WEAPONRY OF IT. WHERE ARE
[02:53:40] WE? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU HOW DO
[02:53:42] YOU CONTEND WITH THAT? BEYOND IN
[02:53:46] THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS? >> I THINK YOU MAKE A REALLY
[02:53:48] GOOD POINT, RON. I MEAN, TRUMP AND BESSENT YESTERDAY BASICALLY
[02:53:52] SAID, WE CAN'T BEAT IRAN MILITARILY, SO WE'RE GOING TO
[02:53:56] TRY TO BEAT THEM ECONOMICALLY. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE,
[02:54:00] HOW'S THAT WORKED OUT WITH CUBA? RIGHT? FOR, FOR WHAT, 67 YEARS? I THINK IT IS THAT, YOU
[02:54:04] KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN EMBARGO ON THEM, AND THEY JUST KEEP THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT US. UM,
[02:54:07] OR SURVIVING. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMMITTING A WAR CRIME TO
[02:54:11] BRING THEM DOWN. BUT, UM, BUT
[02:54:13] THE LARGER ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT BESSENT SAID
[02:54:16] YESTERDAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY IMPOSE SANCTIONS AND,
[02:54:20] AND DRACONIAN PENALTIES AGAINST COUNTRIES THAT CONTINUE TO TRADE
[02:54:24] WITH IRAN, CHINA IS IRAN'S
[02:54:26] LARGEST SINGLE TRADING PARTNER
[02:54:29] AND THE LARGEST CONSUMER OF
[02:54:31] THEIR OIL. AND IF WE TAKE ON
[02:54:34] CHINA IN THAT WAY, THEY WILL THEY WILL CRUSH DONALD TRUMP
[02:54:37] LIKE A BUG. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY THIS IS THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE
[02:54:41] NO WIN SITUATION. AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH ADDS TO THE EVIDENCE, I
[02:54:44] THINK, THAT DONALD TRUMP, ON
[02:54:46] BEHALF OF VLADIMIR PUTIN AND XI
[02:54:49] JINPING, IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES. SO THAT'S THE
[02:54:53] THAT'S THE GOP'S PROJECT RIGHT NOW, OR CERTAINLY THAT'S DONALD
[02:54:57] TRUMP'S PROJECT. MAKE AMERICANS SICKER. LET'S HAVE MEASLES
[02:55:00] EPIDEMICS. YOU KNOW, HE KILLED MORE. MORE PEOPLE DIED OF COVID IN THE UNITED STATES THAN ANY
[02:55:04] OTHER COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST THE SECOND WE WERE NUMBER TWO IN THE
[02:55:07] WORLD. BECAUSE, BECAUSE TRUMP
[02:55:08] HANDLED THE COVID PANDEMIC SO
[02:55:12] BADLY WHEN HE STOPPED FOLLOWING FAUCI'S ADVICE IN APRIL OF 2020. AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW,
[02:55:16] TRIED TO THROW THE DOORS OPEN AND SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
[02:55:19] WERE DYING LEFT AND RIGHT. I KNEW PEOPLE HAD DIED. AND MY BEST FRIEND DIED OF COVID. SO
[02:55:23] IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST MORE EVIDENCE THAT HE'S TRYING
[02:55:27] TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY ON
[02:55:29] BEHALF OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND
[02:55:31] THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE CIA DIRECTOR, JOHN
[02:55:35] RATCLIFFE, ARRIVING IN MOSCOW THIS MORNING, PROBABLY HAS
[02:55:38] SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT. RON, THANKS FOR THE CALL, STEVE AND ROSEWOOD, ROCKWOOD, OREGON. HEY,
[02:55:41] STEVE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
[02:55:44] TODAY >> MY MIND TODAY. >> GO FOR IT.
[02:55:47] >> UM, I REMEMBER HEARING BACK IN THE 80s WHEN BUSH WAS
[02:55:51] STARTING TO MONKEY AROUND WITH
[02:55:53] SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT THEY WERE
[02:55:56] SOCIAL SECURITY COVERED 90% OF
[02:55:59] ALL, UH UH, AND SO I LOOKED IT
[02:56:04] UP TODAY AND YEAH, THERE WAS A
[02:56:05] LAW PASSED IN 1977 SAYING SOCIAL
[02:56:09] SECURITY DEPOSITS WERE SUPPOSED TO COVER 90% OF WAGES. UH, WE
[02:56:13] MET THAT ONE TIME. THAT WAS
[02:56:18] 1983. UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
[02:56:19] AND IT'S THAT 90% OF ALL WAGES
[02:56:24] HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
[02:56:28] >> WHICH MEANS, WHICH IS JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING IN TODAY'S
[02:56:31] DOLLARS, 90% OF ALL WAGE EARNERS
[02:56:36] ARE EARNING $180,000 A YEAR OR LESS.
[02:56:38] >> NO. WELL, WHAT IT MEANS IS, IS THE WAGES THAT ARE PAID OUT,
[02:56:42] 90% OF THEM ARE COVERED BY
[02:56:43] SOCIAL SECURITY. >> AND THE OTHER 10%, THE OTHER
[02:56:47] 10% WOULD BE THE WAGES OVER $180,000 A YEAR, BECAUSE THEY'RE
[02:56:51] NO LONGER TAXED FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.
[02:56:53] >> WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 83% OF THE OF THE
[02:56:56] WAGES THAT ARE BEING COVERED NOW
[02:57:01] AT $184,000. SO LET'S JUST DO AWAY WITH THE CAP.
[02:57:03] >> LET'S MAKE IT 100%. >> WELL, IF THEY, IF THE CAP IS
[02:57:06] AT 90%, IT WOULD BE $348,000.
[02:57:12] YEAH. >> YEAH. WELL, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT 100%. BUT, YOU KNOW,
[02:57:15] INTERESTING AND EXCELLENT POINT, STEVE. THANK YOU. ERIC. IN DULUTH, MINNESOTA. HEY, ERIC,
[02:57:19] WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
[02:57:21] >> I WANT TO SAY THAT I TOTALLY
[02:57:25] AGREE WITH YOUR SYNOPSIS ABOUT
[02:57:28] TRUMP BEING A DOUBLE AGENT. AND, UH, PUTIN HOLDING THE STRINGS.
[02:57:32] BUT I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THE OIL CARTELS IN GENERAL. SO
[02:57:35] THERE'S SEVERAL SO-CALLED
[02:57:39] DIGNITARIES, PROBABLY JOINTLY HOLDING THE REINS WITH PUTIN IN
[02:57:43] CONTROLLING TRUMP, WHO IS TRYING TO THROW AMERICA UNDER THE BUS. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT
[02:57:47] SYNOPSIS. IT'S MY TAKE THAT.
[02:57:49] NOW. THE ACTION NEEDS TO BE IN
[02:57:52] FINDING A WAY TO GET HIM OUT OF
[02:57:54] THAT OFFICE WHERE HE CAN'T HURT AMERICA ANYMORE. AND THEN THIS
[02:57:58] BRINGS UP DOLLY PARTON. SO I
[02:58:01] LOVE DOLLY, AND I LOVE THOSE YEARS BEFORE PORTER WAGNER, WHEN
[02:58:05] SHE USED THAT VOICE. AND SHE WAS SO WONDERFUL. YEAH. YES. YOU'RE
[02:58:09] THE QUEEN OF THE HEARTLAND,
[02:58:11] COMPETING WITH REBA MCENTIRE IN THAT REGARD, AND I'LL LEAVE
[02:58:14] THAT ALONE. BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO
[02:58:16] DO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, IS TO
[02:58:19] PURSUE THE STORIES OF THE PEOPLE TRUMP HAS DESTROYED. AND ONE OF
[02:58:23] THEM NEEDS A TRULY DEEP DIVE TO
[02:58:27] SEE WHERE THE MONEY GOES. UH, AND YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT WITH
[02:58:31] ANYBODY. IT'S GOT TO BE A DOLLY PARTON THAT EVERYONE UNIVERSALLY
[02:58:34] LOVES. SO DAN GOLDMAN JUST GOT
[02:58:37] PRIMARY ALEXANDER VINDMAN JUST
[02:58:39] GOT PRIMARIED. AND JASMINE CROCKETT JUST GOT PRIMARIED.
[02:58:42] THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE
[02:58:43] THAT WERE INCUMBENTS. AND TRUMP
[02:58:47] TRULY DESPISED FOR SEPARATE REASONS. >> ERIC, I'M SORRY. I'M OUT OF
[02:58:50] TIME. I GOT TO RUN. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. AND I THINK,
[02:58:53] WELL SAID. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.
[02:58:57] IN THE MEANTIME, DON'T FORGET, DEMOCRACY IS NOT A SPECTATOR
[02:59:00] SPORT. IT REQUIRES YOU, REQUIRES ALL OF US. SO TAG. YOU'RE IT.
[02:59:03] GET OUT THERE. GET ACTIVE RIGHT. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON. BE GOOD
[02:59:07] TO YOURSELF AND THE FOLKS AROUND YOU. STAY SAFE. TAKE YOUR
[02:59:10] VITAMINS, EAT YOUR VEGGIES, GET YOUR EXERCISE. WE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO THIS FALL, AND I'LL
[02:59:14] CATCH UP WITH YOU TOMORROW.
[02:59:17] >> [MUSIC]
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