CSPAN — Ceasefire Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi  Pete Sessions
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[00:01:24] DASHA: WELCOME TO "CEASEFIRE,"
[00:01:32] WHERE WE SEEK TO BRIDGE THE
[00:01:38] DIVIDE IN THE AMERICAN POLITICS. I AM DASHA BURNS. ILLINOIS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN
[00:01:42] RAJA KRISHNAMOORTHI AND TEXAS
[00:01:46] REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN PETE SESSIONS. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME FROM YOUR RESPECTIVE STATES TODAY.
[00:01:49] >> GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO SEE YOU.
[00:01:53] DASHA: I WANT TO START WITH THE
[00:01:58] COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE BOTH SERVED ON, THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
[00:02:02] WE ARE HERE ON CEASEFIRE, WE ARE
[00:02:05] ALL ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP, NOT HIGH DRAMA.
[00:02:07] THINK THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS KNOWN FOR SOME HIGH DRAMA.
[00:02:11] I AM CURIOUS, YOU TWO HAVE DONE
[00:02:15] A LOT OF BIPARTISAN WORK. CAN YOU TAKE ME BEHIND THE
[00:02:17] SCENES OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT
[00:02:20] SEE ON THIS REALLY CRITICAL COMMITTEE. WE WILL START WITH YOU.
[00:02:24] REP. SESSIONS:
[00:02:26] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: THANKS FOR HAVING US.
[00:02:28] IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU, PETE. INTERESTINGLY, PETE AND I,
[00:02:32] VISITED THE HOUSE GYM AROUND THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY.
[00:02:40] SO, I GUESS THE LAWMAKERS WHO
[00:02:42] GET TO THE GYM EARLY GET EXTRA
[00:02:44] DOSES OF EACH OTHER EVERYDAY.
[00:02:47] DASHA: THAT IS WHERE THE COLLABORATION HAPPENS.
[00:02:51] REP. SESSIONS: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
[00:02:53] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I THINK ON
[00:02:56] THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, IT IS A SCENE OF A LOT OF HIGH DRAMA.
[00:02:59] AND ANTICS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ON CERTAIN
[00:03:03] ISSUES WE HAVE FOUND WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER.
[00:03:05] I THINK THE MOST NOTABLE FOR ME
[00:03:08] IS THE EPSTEIN INVESTIGATION
[00:03:10] WHERE ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS I THINK WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF
[00:03:13] PROGRESS IN INTERVIEWING AND
[00:03:18] DEPOSING A LOT OF WITNESSES.
[00:03:20] JUST TO GIVE YOUR VIEWERS BACKGROUND INFORMATION, MORE
[00:03:23] THAN 1000 THEN GIRLS NOW
[00:03:27] MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN WERE ABUSED IN
[00:03:28] A SEX TRAFFICKING RING THAT WAS
[00:03:31] ORCHESTRATED BY JEFFREY EPSTEIN
[00:03:37] AND GHISLAINE MAXWELL. AND THEY ARE YET TO RECEIVE A SINGLE MEASURE OF JUSTICE.
[00:03:41] THE TURNING POINT THAT LED TO COOPERATION IS WHEN THE
[00:03:43] SURVIVORS CAME IN, AND WE AS A
[00:03:47] COMMITTEE, THANKS TO JIM CROMER, AND RANKING MEMBER GARCIA, BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER TO MEET
[00:03:52] WITH THEM.
[00:03:52] IT WAS A VERY MOVING EXPERIENCE, HONESTLY.
[00:03:56] I THINK THAT HELPED TO STIFFEN THE RESOLVE OF THE COMMITTEE ON
[00:04:00] A BIPARTISAN BASIS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED AND TO PREVENT IT FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN.
[00:04:04] AND, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT.
[00:04:08] THERE IS A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS AN AREA
[00:04:12] OF BIPARTISANSHIP THAT I HAVE SEEN.
[00:04:14] DASHA: I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU BOTH
[00:04:17] THIS HEADLINE FROM THE PALM BEACH POST IN MAY. HOUSE OVERSIGHT KNOWN FOR ANTICS
[00:04:21] TURNS SERIOUS ON EPSTEIN. THE MATTER HAS LARGELY BEEN
[00:04:25] HANDLED BY THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THE SERIOUSNESS OF
[00:04:28] THE TASK, LET ALONE THE GRAVITY OF THE EPSTEIN ISSUE, IS IN
[00:04:31] CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE DRAMA, ANTICS AND THEATRICS THAT HAVE EITHER OCCASIONALLY BEEN AIRED
[00:04:34] IN OR ENVELOPED THE COMMITTEE'S
[00:04:39] PUBLIC GATHERINGS OR ITS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS." DO YOU THINK THAT IS AN ACCURATE
[00:04:43] DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENED THERE?
[00:04:47] REP. SESSIONS: I THINK IT IS.
[00:04:50] WE DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
[00:04:55] THE DOCUMENTS.
[00:04:58] IT RESIDED WITHIN A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIONS GOING BACK TO
[00:05:00] THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, MOVING FORWARD. AND IT WAS REALLY SEEN AS A
[00:05:04] LEGAL MATTER.
[00:05:07] AND THEN, AS IT BECAME BROUGHT FORWARD, AS IT CAME, AS IT WAS
[00:05:11] BROUGHT FORWARD, THEN TURNED
[00:05:13] INTO WHAT WE SAW AS HOLES OF
[00:05:18] IMPORTANT DATA AND INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAS BEEN MADE
[00:05:22] AVAILABLE, WE THINK AT LEAST PUBLICLY, THROUGH AN
[00:05:25] INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS.
[00:05:26] SO, IT TURNED INTO A MATTER
[00:05:30] WHERE IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR
[00:05:30] BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST TO SEE THIS
[00:05:34] FOR WHAT IT WAS BUT TO SEE THE FRAILTY OF THE SYSTEM.
[00:05:38] THE SYSTEM DID NOT TREAT THESE YOUNG WOMEN PROPERLY.
[00:05:41] IT DID NOT YIELD THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE
[00:05:45] NECESSARY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
[00:05:48] EFFECTIVELY HAVE LEARNED THE LESSON. AND SO, IT BECAME VERY IMPORTANT
[00:05:52] TO US. IT ALSO WAS A MATTER, AS WE ALL
[00:05:55] KNOW, THAT SPANNED JURISDICTIONS
[00:06:01] -- FLORIDA, NEW YORK, NEW MEXICO -- OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
[00:06:05] FEDERAL AND STATE, A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIONS. AND WE JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS
[00:06:09] SOMETHING WE COULD EFFECTIVELY HANDLE BETTER BY WORKING
[00:06:13] TOGETHER.
[00:06:16] EXCUSE ME, IT WAS OBVIOUS NOT ONLY TO THE DEMOCRATS BUT ALSO
[00:06:20] THE REPUBLICANS. THIS WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[00:06:23] WE DID NOT HAVE AN ANGLE YET TO
[00:06:27] ATTACK EACH OTHER BECAUSE IT WAS
[00:06:29] ALL ADMINISTRATIONS, REPUBLICANS
[00:06:32] AND DEMOCRATS. IT WAS DIFFERENT ATTORNEY
[00:06:34] GENERAL -- ATTORNEYS GENERAL,
[00:06:37] AND IT BECAME AN EASY THING FOR US TO DO.
[00:06:41] NEXT, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE.
[00:06:44] NOT JUST, NOTWITHSTANDING MY
[00:06:47] WIFE WHO STAYED AFTER ME, EVERY
[00:06:50] SINGLE MEMBER HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS HUGELY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
[00:06:54] AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED IN THINGS, IT IS ONE
[00:06:57] AREA OF THE COUNTRY OR ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER, THIS DEALT WITH
[00:07:01] EVERY SINGLE WOMAN. AND I THINK WE OURSELVES SAW IT
[00:07:04] WAS A NATIONAL NIGHTMARE. SO, WORKING TOGETHER WE ACCOMPLISHED MORE.
[00:07:08] DASHA: IT IS REMARKABLE TO HEAR
[00:07:11] HOW YOU BOTH ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHIN THE CONFINES
[00:07:14] OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE WORK YOU HAVE BEEN DOING.
[00:07:17] IT DOES STAND IN CONTRAST WITH
[00:07:20] SOME OF THE POLITICIZATION OF
[00:07:23] THIS ISSUE OUTSIDE OF YOUR COMMITTEE.
[00:07:27] WHY DO YOU THINK SOMETHING THAT,
[00:07:30] YOU KNOW, ON ITS FACE SHOULD NOT
[00:07:33] BE PARTISAN BECAME SO POLITICAL
[00:07:37] OUTSIDE OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL WERE DOING?
[00:07:42] REP. SESSIONS: RAJ, WILL HAVE
[00:07:46] HIS OWN ANSWER, AND I THINK AS WE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WE
[00:07:48] ARE ARTICLE I WE DEAL A LOT
[00:07:51] WITH ARTICLE II, WHICH IS THE
[00:07:55] ADMINISTRATION PAID WE HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS A NUMBER OF STRONG PRESIDENTS.
[00:07:58] FOR SURE, PRESIDENT OBAMA.
[00:08:03] FOR SURE, PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND THEN PRESIDENT BIDEN.
[00:08:06] WHO CAME ABOUT THEIR USE OF
[00:08:12] OFFICE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. WE HAD BEEN IN THE SAME, ALMOST
[00:08:15] THE EXACT SAME COMMITTEE MAKEUP SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE GOING
[00:08:18] THROUGH THE BIDEN ISSUES WITH
[00:08:21] THIS -- HIS SON, WITH OFFICIAL
[00:08:25] TRAVEL, WITH COCAINE.
[00:08:26] A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT IN ONE
[00:08:30] WAY OR ANOTHER STRIKINGLY
[00:08:33] REASONABLE SOME THINGS THAT MAY
[00:08:37] BE HAPPENING TODAY. AND THAT IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS
[00:08:40] HIS VIEWS AND THOUGHTS THAT NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH.
[00:08:44] AND SO, THOSE WERE WORTH FIGHTING FOR.
[00:08:46] WE FEEL LIKE IT IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR AS WE APPROACH
[00:08:49] PRESIDENT TRUMP IN MANY INSTANCES.
[00:08:53] AND CERTAINLY THE DEMOCRATS FELT
[00:08:54] LIKE THAT THEY HAD THAT SAME
[00:08:58] ABILITY AND DESIRE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. SO, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ISSUES
[00:09:02] WE ARE FIGHTING FOR. AND THEY DEAL WITH THE ESSENCE
[00:09:05] OF OUR ARTICLE II.
[00:09:07] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT AND HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK
[00:09:11] IT WAS FOR BOTH PARTIES TO SORT
[00:09:14] OF BUCK SOME OF THE OUTSIDE
[00:09:20] EXPECTATIONS AND MOVE FORWARD AND DO WHAT YOU FELT WAS RIGHT?
[00:09:23] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I THINK IT
[00:09:27] IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE
[00:09:31] SURVIVORS, UM, TO ME, LIKE THE
[00:09:34] POLITICS REALLY START TO FALL AWAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL
[00:09:38] HUMAN BEINGS WHO HAVE BEEN, UM,
[00:09:40] WHO'VE SUFFERED A GRAVE
[00:09:44] MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. AND YOU COULD EASILY IMAGINE ANY NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE SUFFERING
[00:09:48] THE SAME FATE. I'M A FATHER OF A DAUGHTER THAT,
[00:09:51] IT IS THE BIGGEST FEAR OF MY
[00:09:53] LIFE THAT ANYBODY WOULD MISTREAT
[00:09:57] ANY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY. AND HERE WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF
[00:10:00] YOUNG WOMEN, THEN GIRLS, WHO
[00:10:05] WERE ABUSED. AND SO, JUST LIKE THAT,
[00:10:08] VISCERALLY TAKES IT OUT OF POLITICS, AT LEAST FOR ME, THAT
[00:10:12] IS WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON DID NOT COME BEFORE US,
[00:10:16] I HAD TO CAST A VOTE THAT, YOU
[00:10:23] KNOW, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPORTERS OF HIS DID NOT
[00:10:26] LIKE THAT HELD HIM IN CONTEMPT WHEN HE WAS NOT COOPERATING WITH THE COMMITTEE.
[00:10:30] NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, PRESIDENT
[00:10:32] TRUMP IS I THINK PETE ARTFULLY
[00:10:38] ALLUDED TO ABOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT -- IS NOT AS FULLY
[00:10:43] COOPERATIVE AS WE WOULD LIKE AND I KNOW MANY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES HAVE ECHOED THE SAME.
[00:10:47] AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN STAND
[00:10:51] TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE AND KIND
[00:10:52] OF BUCK THOSE OUTSIDE FORCES AND
[00:10:56] REALLY GET TO JUSTICE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
[00:10:59] DASHA: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT
[00:11:03] BEEN AS COOPERATIVE IN THIS AS YOU WOULD LIKE AND WHAT DO YOU
[00:11:06] THINK NEEDS TO COME NEXT IN ORDER TO GET JUSTICE FOR THESE WOMEN?
[00:11:10] REP. SESSIONS: I THINK CRS ARE
[00:11:14] IMPORTANT QUESTIONS P OR BY THE WAY, I HOPE WE GO TO SOME OTHER TOPICS THAT WE DO HAVE
[00:11:18] BIPARTISANSHIP AND AT LEAST IN MY SUBCOMMITTEE, THE GOVERNMENT
[00:11:22] OPERATIONS THAT I HAVE. SO, LET'S STAY ON THIS FOR A SECOND.
[00:11:25] WHAT HAPPENED IS IS THAT THIS
[00:11:27] THING TURNED INTO MORE OF A
[00:11:30] POLITICAL FOOTBALL WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ARGUMENTS STARTED BEING MADE THAT MEMBERS OF
[00:11:35] CONGRESS, PARTICULARLY MEN, DID
[00:11:37] NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
[00:11:41] AND THERE BECAME, UH, UH,
[00:11:46] LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED ON
[00:11:47] THE FLOOR, UH, WHEREBY IT
[00:11:52] ESSENTIALLY TOOK IT OUT OF OUR HANDS AND GAVE IT THEN DIRECTLY
[00:11:55] TO THE LAW ABOUT WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD DO.
[00:11:59] AND SO, THAT, THAT PUT IT BACK
[00:12:04] IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WHICH MEANT PERHAPS THE
[00:12:07] PRESIDENT AND HIS OWN CONVERSATIONS -- IN HIS OWN CONVERSATIONS, HAD CONVERSATIONS
[00:12:11] WITH THEM BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY IN
[00:12:13] THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD IT, THE
[00:12:17] DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, THEN
[00:12:21] CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND TALK WITH US. BUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE LAW
[00:12:24] AND THE LAW WAS VERY SPECIFIC
[00:12:27] THAT, UH, THAT WAS PASSED THAT
[00:12:31] SAID, THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE REDACTED.
[00:12:34] WE DID NOT OUT A PERSON WHO WAS A VICTIM.
[00:12:37] IT WRAPPED UP IN DIFFERENT WAY.
[00:12:40] I STILL THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF
[00:12:42] QUESTIONS THAT NEITHER SO I
[00:12:46] CAN ANSWER. AND PERHAPS THEY ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.
[00:12:49] PERHAPS THERE ARE PRIVACY ISSUES. BUT A MEMBER OF CONGRESS HAS A
[00:12:52] DIFFICULT TIME, AND THIS IS WHAT
[00:12:55] HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO RUSH.
[00:13:00] WHAT I SAW WAS A BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
[00:13:03] ENDED UP BEING THIS, THIS NEW PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
[00:13:07] DASHA: I AM GLAD WE STARTED WITH
[00:13:11] THIS TOPIC BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT IS ILLUSTRATIVE OF THIS
[00:13:15] MOMENT IN CONGRESS WHERE THERE
[00:13:18] IS IN MANY PLACES A DESIRE TO
[00:13:21] WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION AND IT ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN MORE
[00:13:24] OFTEN THAN PEOPLE THINK. BUT, YOU ARE DEALING WITH THESE
[00:13:28] OUTSIDE POLITICAL PRESSURES IN THE MIDST OF IT ALL.
[00:13:31] I DO WANT TO GET YOUR BIGGER PICTURE PERSPECTIVE ON HOW HARD
[00:13:34] IT IS TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE IN THIS POLARIZED MOMENT.
[00:13:39] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: UM, LIKE,
[00:13:45] I'LL JUST TELL YOU ON A DAILY BASIS, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER
[00:13:50] AND IS A VERY PRACTICAL MATTER, I'M TALKING TO YOU TODAY FROM MY DISTRICT OFFICE.
[00:13:54] WE JUST CLOSED OUR 15,000
[00:14:02] CONSTITUENT SERVICES CASE. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY WE WORK EVERY DAY TO
[00:14:05] HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS DEAL WITH EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, A
[00:14:10] MISSING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK TO HELPING THEM WITH THEIR IMMIGRATION MATTERS.
[00:14:13] THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH
[00:14:16] THE ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE WE LITERALLY HAVE TO TALK TO THE
[00:14:19] STATE DEPARTMENT OR THE USCIS OR
[00:14:22] ANY AGENCY EVERY DAY. AND TRY TO RESOLVE THESE MATTERS.
[00:14:26] SO THAT, THAT IS LIKE BIPARTISANSHIP AND ACTION ON A DAILY BASIS.
[00:14:30] GETTING THINGS DONE. I THINK WHERE THINGS GET REALLY
[00:14:34] TRICKY IS WE ARE IN A MOMENT WHERE THERE IS INCREDIBLE
[00:14:38] POLITICAL POLARIZATION.
[00:14:42] THE PRESIDENT LIKES TO GO ON
[00:14:43] SOCIAL MEDIA, AS YOU KNOW, I GET
[00:14:47] PHONE CALLS EVERY DAY ABOUT THOSE TWEETS OR THOSE TRUTHS
[00:14:51] SOCIALS AND SO FORTH AND PEOPLE GET REALLY RILED UP.
[00:14:55] AND IT BECOMES MORE CHALLENGING
[00:14:58] TO KIND OF OUTWARDLY KIND OF
[00:15:02] WORK TOGETHER SOMETIMES, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT CONSTITUENTS WANT.
[00:15:05] THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.
[00:15:07] AND SO, FOR INSTANCE ON THE CHINA COMMITTEE, I'M REALLY
[00:15:11] PROUD TO HAVE WORKED WITH A LOT OF MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ON
[00:15:14] LEGISLATION THAT HELPS PROTECT OUR COUNTRY AND TO WIN THE STRATEGIC COMPETITION WITH
[00:15:18] CHINA.
[00:15:19] BUT THAT'S, I THINK, SOMETHING
[00:15:23] THAT WE HAVE TO STRIVE TO DO EVEN MORE OF AT THIS POINT.
[00:15:26] DASHA: DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR COLLEAGUE JUST SAID THERE?
[00:15:30] REP. SESSIONS: AS A MATTER FACT I DO.
[00:15:33] WE HAVE MUCH THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO AMERICA THAT IS
[00:15:36] STANDING -- IT STANDING IN THE
[00:15:42] WORLDS, ITS FINANCIAL INTEGRITY, DIRECTLY TO THE POINT OF THERE ARE LOTS OF MATTERS THAT WE HAVE
[00:15:45] TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS WAY. SO, I THINK HIS POINT WAS WELL
[00:15:49] MADE. WE DO TALK WITH EACH OTHER.
[00:15:50] WE DO HAVE FRIENDSHIPS.
[00:15:54] WE DO HAVE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THESE THINGS. DASHA: YOU GO TO THE GYM TOGETHER.
[00:15:58] REP. SESSIONS: THAT WE DO BUT I
[00:16:01] HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP OF MY -- WITH MY RANKING MEMBER, MR.
[00:16:05] EMFUME, WHO IS FROM MARILYN.
[00:16:09] AND WE WORK WELL TOGETHER AND I TALKED WITH HIM ON A WEEKLY TOGETHER.
[00:16:14] I ASK HIS OPINION. AND HE SHOWS UP WITH THE REST OF
[00:16:16] THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT OUR
[00:16:21] DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS AND THEY ASK PERTINENT, TOUGH QUESTIONS.
[00:16:24] AND SO, I THINK THAT IT DEPENDS UPON THE SUBJECT AND WHETHER WE
[00:16:27] HAVE PEOPLE FROM BACK HOME
[00:16:30] THROWING BOMBS INTO US, MAKING
[00:16:34] IT MORE DIFFICULT, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE TODAY
[00:16:36] IS WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO
[00:16:39] WORK ON MUCH MORE TOGETHER.
[00:16:41] DASHA: LET ME ASK ABOUT ONE OF
[00:16:44] THE TOPICS THAT IS CRITICAL TO
[00:16:49] BOTH FOLKS HERE DOMESTICALLY AND TO THE UNITED STATES'STANDING
[00:16:52] ABROAD AND THAT OF COURSE IS THE CONFLICT WITH IRAN AND A LOT OF
[00:16:56] UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHERE THIS IS HEADED. HOW MUCH ESSAYS SHOULD CONGRESS
[00:17:00] HAVE OVER HOW THESE OPERATIONS
[00:17:02] ARE CONDUCTED AND THE CONTOURS OF A POTENTIAL PEACE DEAL?
[00:17:07] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: WELL,
[00:17:11] THE CONGRESS IS THE ULTIMATE POWER TO DECLARE WAR.
[00:17:14] I DO NOT CARE IF IT IS REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC
[00:17:17] PRESIDENT, THE CONGRESS HAS TO
[00:17:18] BE, UM, CONSULTED, BECAUSE THE
[00:17:23] CONGRESS EMBODIES THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE,
[00:17:27] THERE HAVE BEEN NOW DIFFERENT
[00:17:30] WAR POWERS RESOLUTIONS THAT
[00:17:32] HAVE COME BEFORE US, INCLUDING A
[00:17:35] COUPLE THAT HAVE PASSED ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS.
[00:17:38] BASICALLY MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU NEED TO COME
[00:17:41] TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IF YOU WISH TO DEPLOY OUR TROOPS IN
[00:17:45] HARM'S WAY. MAKE YOUR CASE.
[00:17:46] AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT HAS TO
[00:17:50] HAPPEN, THEN COME TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, COME TO CONGRESS AND HAVE A VOTE.
[00:17:54] BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN
[00:17:58] INCREDIBLY -- IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
[00:18:00] AND THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THE
[00:18:03] CURRENT HOSTILITIES ARE ILLEGAL. BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN THAT WAY.
[00:18:06] ARTICLE I AS PETE ALLUDED TO
[00:18:12] HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED IN THIS MATTER. DASHA: CONNER SMITH SESSIONS,
[00:18:16] WHAT THE CONGRESSMAN OUTLINED THERE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE
[00:18:18] HAPPENING IN THE CASE OF THIS SORT OF CONFLICT, IT IS SIMPLY
[00:18:22] NOT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION?
[00:18:25] REP. SESSIONS: WELL, I FIRST
[00:18:28] THING I SAY IS I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE WORD ILLEGAL.
[00:18:31] UNTIL WE GOT TO THE 60 DAYS, I
[00:18:34] DO NOT THINK THAT THERE WAS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE PRESIDENT.
[00:18:38] WE HAVE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THE PRESIDENT HAS
[00:18:41] EXTRAORDINARY POWERS, NOT JUST
[00:18:44] TO PROTECT THE UNITED STATES BUT TO ENGAGE IN CONFLICT.
[00:18:48] BUT AT THE 60 DAY MARKER, THERE
[00:18:51] APPEARS TO BE A VERY CLEARLY TO ME THE LAW WHERE CONGRESS WOULD
[00:18:55] HAVE A SAY, YES OR NO. AND MY POINT MIGHT BE THAT THIS,
[00:18:59] UH, CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE WITH
[00:19:01] THE IRANIANS IS UNLIKE ANY THAT
[00:19:05] I THINK ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR ANY PERSON IN WASHINGTON
[00:19:09] WOULD'VE THOUGHT WOULD'VE COME TO WHERE IT IS.
[00:19:11] AND THAT IS THE IRANIANS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE. THERE IS NO GIVING.
[00:19:15] IT IS TOTAL THAT THEY WANT TO
[00:19:18] HAVE CONTROL, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO STAND BY THEIR MEANS.
[00:19:21] AND THEY HAVE FAR MORE
[00:19:25] ABILITIES THEN I THINK WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS.
[00:19:26] DASHA: DO YOU THINK A PEACE DEAL AS POSSIBLE AT ALL AT THIS POINT?
[00:19:30] REP. SESSIONS: WE'RE TALKING
[00:19:33] ABOUT THE LAW AND THE PRESIDENT.
[00:19:35] THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS THE OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT HE
[00:19:38] CONSULT WITH CONGRESS AND I HAV
[00:19:41] E SEEN RIGHT OUTSIDE MY DOOR IN
[00:19:45] RAYBURN DAYS WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE IN AT THE ARMED SERVICES
[00:19:48] COMMITTEE, BOTH SIDES ARE IN RECEIVING DATA, RECEIVING
[00:19:52] INFORMATION, AND AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS.
[00:19:55] DO I THINK PEACE IS POSSIBLE?
[00:20:00] I THINK THAT RESOLUTION, WHETHER IT IS THE WAY WE THOUGHT WOULD
[00:20:04] HAPPEN IT OR NOT, IS MAY BE HEADED THAT DIRECTION TODAY.
[00:20:07] I THINK THE IRANIAN ECONOMY IS
[00:20:11] IN TROUBLE. I THINK THEY HAVE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
[00:20:14] AND I THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE
[00:20:16] THE VOTES ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO PROVIDE THE PRESIDENT THE
[00:20:20] MILITARY -- THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PROTECT THEM.
[00:20:22] THE PLAN ABOUT WINNING THE WAR I
[00:20:26] THINK IS AN OLD IDEA.
[00:20:27] DASHA: ON TOP OF THAT YOU HAVE THE STOCKPILES ISSUE.
[00:20:31] LOOK AT THE HEADLINE FROM REUTERS SAYING THE U.S. HAS USED
[00:20:35] VIRTUALLY ALL OF HIS LONG-RANGE PRECISION MISSILES DURING THE IRAN WAR.
[00:20:39] CONGRESSMAN KRISHNAMURTHY, HOW
[00:20:43] BIG OF A FACTOR, HOW BIG OF A CONCERN IS THIS?
[00:20:45] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: IT IS HUGE
[00:20:48] BECAUSE REPORTS ARE THAT WE ARE
[00:20:50] VIRTUALLY OUT OF ATTACK-EMS
[00:20:55] WHICH ARE LONG-RANGE PRECISION FIRES. WE DEPLETED OUR STOCK OF PATRIOT
[00:20:58] AND SM-3 INTERCEPTORS, AND ALSO
[00:21:01] OUR THAD INTERCEPTOR MISSILES AS WELL.
[00:21:05] NOT TO MENTION TOMAHAWKS ARE AT
[00:21:07] A VERY LOW LEVEL.
[00:21:09] THE REASON WHY I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AS A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IS
[00:21:13] BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OUR STRENGTH
[00:21:17] COMES FROM OUR ABILITY TO DETER OUR ADVERSARIES.
[00:21:19] AND THAT DETERRENCE STEMS FROM
[00:21:24] OUR UNIT MUNITIONS STOCKPILES. AND THE CHINESE IN PARTICULAR,
[00:21:27] THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS MEASURING OUR MAGAZINE DEPTH EVERY DAY.
[00:21:31] AND I AM CONCERNED THAT WHEN OUR
[00:21:35] DETERRENCE GOES DOWN, WE INVITE
[00:21:38] AGGRESSION BY OUR ADVERSARIES WHICH COULD SLIDE INTO CONFLICT.
[00:21:41] WHETHER IT IS IN EUROPE OR
[00:21:42] WHETHER IT IS IN THE INTO
[00:21:46] PACIFIC THEATER. AND THIS IS A GRAVE PROBLEM IN MY OPINION.
[00:21:50] DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, DO YOU AGREE?
[00:21:52] REP. SESSIONS: OF COURSE I AGREE.
[00:21:55] BUT THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, OK, WHICH SIDE WILL BE AT THE
[00:21:58] TABLE TO DECIDE WHEN WE VOTE TO
[00:22:00] AT LEAST, UH, REFRAME FROM
[00:22:05] EITHER USING MORE -- REFRAINED FROM USING MORE BY BACKFILLING THAT THAT WE GOT, THAT TAKES
[00:22:09] MONEY, THAT TAKES A VOTE ON THE FLOOR. ONCE AGAIN POLITICS COMES INTO PLAY THERE, TOO.
[00:22:16] BUT I THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF WHAT WE CALL FOUR
[00:22:18] CORNERS OF GETTING TOGETHER WITH
[00:22:21] THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, TO
[00:22:24] SAY, HERE IS THE AGREEMENT ON
[00:22:27] WHAT THE UNITED STATES NEEDS NOW TO SUPPORT OUR MILITARY.
[00:22:30] AND THEN THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN THAT AND
[00:22:34] SAY, OK, HERE IS HOW I WOULD USE WHAT YOU GIVE ME. BUT I THINK TO LEAVE US
[00:22:38] DEFENSELESS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE
[00:22:42] REPUBLICANS AND CERTAINLY NOT GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE
[00:22:45] IT JUST DIVIDES US FURTHER WITH
[00:22:49] SUPPORTING AMERICA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TOGETHER PUT I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT'S TIME TO DO IT.
[00:22:53] DASHA: YOU MENTIONED CHINA.
[00:22:55] LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA DIRECTLY
[00:22:58] BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU AGREE THE CHALLENGES THAT THE COUNTRY
[00:23:03] POSES BOTH ECONOMICALLY, STRATEGICALLY.
[00:23:06] A.I. CANNOT BE IGNORED IN THE
[00:23:10] CONVERSATION HERE. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE FROM BLOOMBERG SAYING THAT
[00:23:13] CHINA'S A.I. BLITZ CREATES A
[00:23:17] DEBT SOMEONE WRITING A FLURRY
[00:23:19] FROM MODELS FROM CHINA SECTOR IS
[00:23:22] RAPIDLY NARROWING THE GAP WITH SILICON VALLEY AND CREATING WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS A DEATH
[00:23:25] SOUND FOR ANYONE WITHOUT FRONTIER PUSHING TECHNOLOGY OR
[00:23:27] MARKET BREAKING PRICING."
[00:23:31] YOU ARE ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND CHINA COMPETITION COMMITTEE.
[00:23:35] IS THE U.S. FALLING BEHIND CHINA IN A.I.?
[00:23:39] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I DON'T
[00:23:42] BELIEVE SO. I THINK WE HAVE A LEAD BUT IT IS DIMINISHING.
[00:23:45] NOW, PART OF THE REASON WHY IT IS DIMINISHING IS CERTAINLY
[00:23:48] BECAUSE THE CCP HAS INVESTED
[00:23:53] BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
[00:23:55] INTO FUNDAMENTAL A.I. TECHNOLOGY
[00:23:57] AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
[00:24:00] SHOULD DO, BY THE WAY, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WHICH I'M
[00:24:04] CONCERNED ABOUT.
[00:24:06] ANOTHER REASON IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE EMPLOYED THE TECHNIQUE OF
[00:24:10] WHAT IS CALLED DISTILLATION OF OUR A.I. MODELS PARENTS SOME
[00:24:14] PEOPLE CALL IT INDUSTRIAL SCALE
[00:24:19] INTELLECTUAL-PROPERTY THEFT OF OUR MODELS.
[00:24:20] AND SO WE HAVE TO POLICE AGAINST THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
[00:24:25] BUT THE BIGGER, BIGGEST CONCERN
[00:24:25] TO ME IS THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN
[00:24:29] AN EDGE WITH REGARD TO A.I. AND
[00:24:33] TECHNOLOGIES OF THE FUTURE, WRIT LARGE.
[00:24:35] WHETHER IT IS QUANTUM, ROBOTICS,
[00:24:38] NANOSCALE TECHNOLOGY. WE HAVE TO BE IN THE LEAD, AND
[00:24:41] THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE THE BEST VERSION OF OURSELVES.
[00:24:44] WE HAVE TO INVEST IN THOSE FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES, EVEN
[00:24:48] AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE HAVE TO PRACTICE THE HIGHEST
[00:24:52] STATE OF SECURITY IN SECURING OUR TECHNOLOGIES AND WORKING
[00:24:54] WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN DOING SO.
[00:24:57] AND THEN WE HAVE TO ALSO FIX OUR LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
[00:25:00] THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR LEADING
[00:25:03] SCIENTISTS, INNOVATORS AND TECHNOLOGISTS, EVEN IN THE A.I.
[00:25:07] SPACE COME FROM ABROAD.
[00:25:10] THEY ARE JUST LIKE ME.
[00:25:11] I AM AN IMMIGRANT MYSELF.
[00:25:16] WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ATTRACT THE BEST TALENT FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
[00:25:20] I'M CONCERNED RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOSING THAT TALENT, AND IF WE
[00:25:22] LOSE IT, THEN WE ABSOLUTELY WILL
[00:25:24] LOSE NOT ONLY THE A.I. RACE BUT
[00:25:27] EVERY OTHER RACE FOR TECHNOLOGY OF THE FUTURE.
[00:25:29] DASHA: YOU ARE BOTH IN YOUR
[00:25:32] DISTRICTS, NO DOUBT HEARING FROM YOUR COMMUNITY IS ON THE GROUND.
[00:25:35] WE KNOW WITH THE MIDTERMS APPROACHING, AFFORDABILITY IS ON
[00:25:39] A LOT OF FOLKS MINDS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS REPORTING FROM NOTICE THIS WEEK.
[00:25:42] THE KEY ECONOMIC WARNING SIGN THAT COULD UP AND THE MIDTERMS.
[00:25:46] OVER THE PAST WEEK THE BOND MARKET HAS LOOKED MORE THAN A LITTLE QUEASY.
[00:25:50] THE DETERIORATION OF OUR GHIBLI THE MOST CRITICAL FINANCIAL
[00:25:52] ASSET IN THE WORLD NOW RISKS
[00:25:55] RIPPLING THROUGH THE BROADER U.S. ECONOMY IN DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE WAYS -- AND
[00:25:59] POSSIBLY RIGHT BEFORE THE 2026 MIDTERM ELECTIONS."
[00:26:03] CONGRESS WAS SESSIONS, YOU ARE THE FORMER GOP CAMPAIGN CHAIR.
[00:26:07] OUR REPUBLICANS ON SHAKING GROUND HERE HEADING INTO NOVEMBER?
[00:26:11] REP. SESSIONS: ANY TIME GASOLINE
[00:26:13] IS THAT IN TEXAS AT $4.00 AND
[00:26:17] ABOVE, THE PARTY THAT IS IN
[00:26:21] POWER IS GOING TO SUFFER. SO, I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY
[00:26:24] QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL ECONOMY.
[00:26:27] YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO CREATE JOBS AND HAVE
[00:26:30] STABLE MARKETPLACES.
[00:26:31] I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND
[00:26:35] MORE WORRIED ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO KEEP CREATING JOBS AND TO
[00:26:39] STAY UP WITH THE NEEDS OF THE
[00:26:43] AMERICAN PEOPLE. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WORKING IN
[00:26:45] THE UNITED STATES THAN EVER
[00:26:47] BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO,
[00:26:50] PERHAPS, UH A POINT THAT COULD
[00:26:53] BE MADE, THERE ARE 7 MILLION JOBS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO
[00:26:58] WORK. AND SO, WE HAVE GOT, THE BEST OF
[00:27:00] ONE SIDE AND YET OUR ECONOMY IS
[00:27:04] LARGER AND WE NEED MORE WORKERS. SO, I THINK THAT THESE ARE
[00:27:08] CERTAINLY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SAID. THEY NEED TO BE SAID.
[00:27:11] WE NEED TO MOVE PEOPLE, WHICH IS
[00:27:14] AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION FOR SOME OF US, PERHAPS POLITICALLY,
[00:27:17] MOVE PEOPLE OFF THE GOVERNMENT
[00:27:21] FOOD STAMPS AND OTHER THINGS AND MOVE THEM INTO WORK.
[00:27:23] AND YET, UH, THESE ARE SEEMINGLY
[00:27:26] DIFFICULT POSITIONS FOR THE PARTIES.
[00:27:31] EASY FOR REPUBLICANS TO SAY, WE SHOULD GO TO WORK.
[00:27:35] DIFFICULT FOR DEMOCRATS NECESSARILY TO SAY, LET'S GO GET
[00:27:37] WORK DONE AND DON'T MAKE AS MUCH BUT HAVE AN UNDERPINNING OF
[00:27:42] GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE THAT WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE/
[00:27:45] DASHA: I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN
[00:27:49] TRAIL WITH MIKE JOHNSON IN ARIZONA WHERE HE IS STUMPING FOR
[00:27:51] CANDIDATES IN POLITICAL HOUSE RACES.
[00:27:55] HE HAS A PRETTY RELENTLESSLY POSITIVE OUTLOOK ON REPUBLICANS
[00:27:59] KEEPING THE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER. HE CALLS HIMSELF THE AMBASSADOR
[00:28:03] OF HOPE BECAUSE HE'S POINTING TO THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF, UH, OF
[00:28:08] HIS CAUCUS BUT I WONDER HOW YOU SEE IT.
[00:28:14] THE REALITY THAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW. HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT ARE THE
[00:28:19] HEADWINDS FOR REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW?
[00:28:21] REP. SESSIONS: BACK IN 2010,
[00:28:25] WHEN I WAS THE CHAIRMAN, WE WERE BADLY OUTSPENT AND YET WE WON
[00:28:28] NET 63 SEATS.
[00:28:31] WE TOOK THAT MAJORITY AND GAINED AN EXTRA 23 SEATS IN THE MAJORITY.
[00:28:36] THERE ARE THESE TIMES OF CHANGE IS GOOD -- KINDS OF CHANGES THAT
[00:28:40] DO HAPPEN AND YOU CAN SEE IN POLLING, AND YOU CAN SEE IN
[00:28:44] PEOPLE, HOW, THO THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
[00:28:48] MIKE IS VERY AWARE OF THESE
[00:28:52] THINGS. THE SPEAKER CERTAINLY HAS FOR A LONG TIME TAKEN HIS OWN PERSONAL VIEWPOINT OF THIS.
[00:28:57] AND THAT IS THAT HE BELIEVES DOING WILL -- WE WILL WIN.
[00:29:02] I ALWAYS TAKE THE PERSPECTIVE WE COULD WIN IF WE DID THE RIGHT THINGS.
[00:29:05] AND I LAID OUT TO MY PARTY AND
[00:29:11] TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I FELT LIKE THOSE THINGS ARE. I THINK IF YOU WANT TO ENTER
[00:29:15] THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I WOULD SAY, WE ARE GOING TO RUN AGAINST
[00:29:19] SOCIALISM. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THEIR DECISION TO MOVE COMPLETELY
[00:29:23] LEFT, WHICH WOULD, MOVE AMERICA
[00:29:26] AWAY FROMUH, GAINING STRENGTH OF
[00:29:30] ECONOMICS, MOVING FORWARD FOR A
[00:29:31] BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR FAMILIES AND
[00:29:35] PERHAPS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY HAVE GOT IS MOVING US TO WHERE
[00:29:38] WE'R SOCIALISTES.
[00:29:43] THAT IS A WINNING ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I AM LIKE SPEAKER JOHNSON.
[00:29:47] I BELIEVE WE CAN AND WE WILL WIN THIS, BUT THE RACE IS GOING TO
[00:29:50] HAVE TO START AND THAT IS WHAT LABOR DAY AND AFTER IS ABOUT.
[00:29:53] DASHA: I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO CIVILLY AND IN THIS.
[00:29:57] OF "CEASEFIRE" RESPOND TO WHAT
[00:30:01] YOU HEARD FROM CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS. I IMAGINE THAT YOU DISAGREE BUT
[00:30:04] HOW DO YOU THINK THE VICTORY OF
[00:30:11] CANDIDATES LIKE ABDUL EL-SAYED IN MICHIGAN AND THE ATTACK LINES THAT DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HEAR
[00:30:14] FROM REPUBLICANS ON THE
[00:30:19] INSURGENT LEFT FLANK OF THE PARTY. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT IS ALL
[00:30:21] PLAYING OUT FOR YOUR PARTY COME
[00:30:26] NOVEMBER? REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I THINK
[00:30:29] WHAT I SEE IS THAT THE PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATINGS AT 35%.
[00:30:34] PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET ABOUT THE
[00:30:35] PRICE OF GAS, SO UPSET ABOUT THE
[00:30:39] PRICE OF HEALTH CARE AND HOUSING AND EDUCATION.
[00:30:41] LET ALONE MAKING SURE THAT THEY
[00:30:45] STAY EMPLOYED. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WITH TARIFFS.
[00:30:51] THERE IS CHAOS IN TARIFFS AND OF COURSE THE IRAN WAR.
[00:30:53] THEY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE NOW IN
[00:30:57] ANOTHER FOREVER WAR, A QUAGMIRE
[00:31:00] WHICH THE PRESIDENT PROMISED THAT WE WOULD NOT GET INTO.
[00:31:03] AND SO, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT,
[00:31:05] THEY ARE LIKE, WE WANT A CHANGE. AND I'M HEARING MORE AND MORE
[00:31:09] FROM DEMOCRATS AS WELL AS REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE
[00:31:12] PRESIDENT SAYING THAT, LOOK, WE
[00:31:16] HAVE TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AT THIS POINT AND THAT IS WHY I
[00:31:20] FEEL VERY CONFIDENT AT HAKEEM JEFFRIES WILL BECOME THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
[00:31:24] AND THAT THEY WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE I TALKED
[00:31:26] TO WANT TO HAVE A CHECK ON WHAT
[00:31:29] THEY FEEL IS ACCESS EXECUTIVE
[00:31:31] AUTHORITY AND JUST -- EXCESS
[00:31:36] EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY AND OVEREMPHASIS ON THE PARTIES THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT, SUCH AS, YOU
[00:31:38] KNOW, AN ARCH BEING ARRESTED IN
[00:31:43] THE PRESIDENT'S HONOR OR THE PRESIDENT'S FACE BEING PUT ON
[00:31:46] MONEY, OR, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF
[00:31:49] DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON RENOVATING THE REFLECTING POOL.
[00:31:52] THEY JUST DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT STUFF ANYMORE.
[00:31:56] THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PRIORITIES.
[00:31:59] DASHA: CAN YOU ADDRESS
[00:32:01] SPECIFICALLY THE IRAN WAR AND
[00:32:05] ITS DOMESTIC IMPACTS? YOU MENTIONED THAT PRICES OVER
[00:32:09] $4.00 A GALLON IN TEXAS ARE
[00:32:12] OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE PRACTICALLY AND
[00:32:15] POLITICALLY FOR REPUBLICANS.
[00:32:17] BUT DO YOU THINK THAT, THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE ENOUGH AND
[00:32:21] WHAT MAY BE MORE DO YOU WANT TO
[00:32:22] SEE FROM HIM IN, IN EXPLAINING
[00:32:26] WHAT HE'S DOING OVERSEAS AND EMPATHIZING WITH VOTERS ABOUT
[00:32:29] HOW IT IS IMPACTING THEM HERE AT HOME?
[00:32:30] REP. SESSIONS: WELL, I WOULD
[00:32:34] TEND TO WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT
[00:32:36] TO HEAR LESS FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS AND MORE
[00:32:39] ABOUT THE REALITY OF THE
[00:32:42] DIRECTION WE REALLY WANT TO GO. I THINK THE PRESIDENT GIVES A
[00:32:46] DAILY UPDATE ABOUT THE WAR.
[00:32:48] I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN WHERE WE WERE AT NINE OR 10 STRAIGHT DAYS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET
[00:32:52] THE IRANIANS BACK TO THE TABLE.
[00:32:56] THAT WAS BASED UPON OUR FRIENDS
[00:32:59] IN PAKISTAN AND ELSEWHERE TRYING TO GET US TO WORK.
[00:33:01] THERE WAS A TERM, YOU KNOW, A
[00:33:05] COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.
[00:33:07] WELL, THE IRANIANS DON'T WANT
[00:33:12] THAT. THEY WANT SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY AND THAT IS WHY EVERY TIME YOU HEAR THE
[00:33:16] PRESIDENT SAY ONE THING, WHICH I THINK IS VERY TRUTHFUL FROM THE
[00:33:18] PAKISTANI AND OTHER SAUDIS IN
[00:33:23] THE REGION, THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, TOO, AND THEY WANT US
[00:33:27] TO MOVE TO AN AGREEMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THAT IS WHERE
[00:33:31] IT WILL HEAD. AND SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO
[00:33:33] INTO SOME BIT OF A SILENCE, GET PEOPLE AT THE TABLE. LET'S CUT A DEAL.
[00:33:37] LET'S QUIT TALKING ABOUT WHO WAS DOING WHAT, AND, AND GET OUR LEA
[00:33:42] DERS FROM SAUDI ARABIA,
[00:33:46] PAKISTAN, TURKIYE AND OTHER
[00:33:51] PLACES TO SIT DOWN AND SAY IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO COME TO
[00:33:53] A DUEL, AND THEN YOU HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, OTHER
[00:33:57] COUNTRIES THAT ARE PLACING THEIR PRESTIGE AND NOT ON ONE SIDE OR
[00:34:02] ANOTHER, ABOUT ENDING THE WAR
[00:34:02] AND MAKING IT A JUST
[00:34:07] AND LASTING PEACE. THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE. DASHA: THAT IS ENOUGH TALKING
[00:34:11] FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT IT. WE ARE AT ENOUGH TALKING FROM US HERE, TOO. DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN RAJA
[00:34:15] KRISHNAMOORTHI AND TEXAS
[00:34:18] REVOKING CONGRESSMAN PETE SESSIONS, THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU BOTH.
[00:34:22] >> YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE ARE NOT
[00:34:26] RUNNING FOR ME. MY NUMBERS AND FUNDRAISING ARE STRONG.
[00:34:28] SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON, EVERYONE ELSE, THEY ARE STANDING BEHIND ME.
[00:34:32] NOBODY HAS TOLD ME TO GET OFF THE BALLOT.
[00:34:34] >> I HAVE BEEN INTELLECTUALLY
[00:34:38] CONSISTENT, SINCE BEFORE I BECAME SPEAKER AND CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
[00:34:42] THIS APPLIES EQUALLY TO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
[00:34:45] WE DON'T TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST MEMBERS FOR ALLEGATIONS.
[00:34:49] HE IS VEHEMENTLY DENYING THIS.
[00:34:52] IT IS A NASTY DIVORCE PROCEEDING AND IT'S GOTTEN UGLY AND PUBLIC
[00:34:55] BUT HE'S SAYING THE SAME THINGS PRIVATELY THAT HE IS PUBLICLY THAT HE DENIES ALL THIS.
[00:34:59] HE THINKS IT'S A AHIT JOB.
[00:35:01] DASHA: WILL YOU TELL THEM TO DROP OUT? >> NO.
[00:35:06] THESE ARE TEARS ALLEGATIONS. I'M A FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS THAT WORK ON CAPITOL HILL.
[00:35:10] THE ALLEGATIONS ARE SERIOUS. HE'S TAKEN HIM SERIOUSLY PUT OUR
[00:35:14] COLLEAGUES ARE. AGAIN WE HAVE TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO PLAY OUT.
[00:35:17] DASHA: THAT WAS MAX MILLER, WHO
[00:35:21] IS BEEN UNDER FIRE OVER ABUSE ALLEGATIONS, AND SPEAKER MIKE
[00:35:23] JOHNSON WEIGHING IN.
[00:35:26] TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND OTHER
[00:35:28] LOCAL STORIES I ENJOYED BY -- JOINED BY TWO PROS.
[00:35:34] MICHAEL HARDAWAY AND SENIOR ADVISOR FOR THAN HOUSE
[00:35:38] DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS CHAIR HAKEEM JEFFRIES AND REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST JOHN FEEHERY, PRESS
[00:35:42] SECRETARY FOR FORMER REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER DENNIS HASTERT. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
[00:35:46] I APPRECIATE IT.
[00:35:49] LET'S GET INTO WHAT WE JUST SAW THERE.
[00:35:51] THIS HAS BEEN A VERY HOT TOPIC
[00:35:55] THIS WEEK. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE INCREDIBLY
[00:35:58] SERIOUS, AND MAX MILLER SAYS HE'S NOT BACKING DOWN.
[00:36:01] SHE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH OUT --
[00:36:05] HE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH OUT THERE DOING A MEDIA BLITZ IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS.
[00:36:09] WHAT DO YOU MAKE STRATEGICALLY ABOUT HOW HE'S HANDLING THE SITUATION?
[00:36:11] >> I THOUGHT THE CNN INTERVIEW
[00:36:15] WAS A DISASTER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, HE'S TRYING TO FIGHT BACK.
[00:36:19] THIS IS A VERY, VERY TOUGH
[00:36:21] DIVORCE AND WHEN YOU GET
[00:36:24] INVOLVED IN DIVORCE BATTLES, YOU
[00:36:27] KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE AS A POLITICIAN, YOU WANT TO STAY OUT OF IT.
[00:36:31] FOR MIKE JOHNSON, THE POLITICAL CALCULATION IS, IS HE GOING TO LOSE HIS SEAT?
[00:36:36] IF HE'S GOING TO LOSE THIS SEAT BECAUSE OF A NASTY DIVORCE AND THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TERRIBLE,
[00:36:40] TOO, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO
[00:36:44] GET THEM OUT OF THERE. YOU SAW THAT EARLIER, THIS WEEK,
[00:36:47] LAST WEEK CHUCK EDWARDS WAS
[00:36:51] ASKED HIM TO QUIT BECAUSE HE HAD SOME OTHER ALLEGATIONS.
[00:36:53] DASHA: EDWARDS STEP DOWN.
[00:36:59] SPEAKER JOHNSON SPOKE WITH HIM AND ENCOURAGED HIM TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
[00:37:01] BUT YET FOR JOHNSON, FOR
[00:37:07] LEADERSHIP IN THESE POSITIONS,
[00:37:07] HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU THINK HE
[00:37:11] IS HANDLING THIS? IS HE DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE?
[00:37:14] >> HE'S HANDLING IT AS WELL AS HE COULD.
[00:37:18] BERNIE MORENO, THE SENATOR, THE FATHER IN LAW, ONLY RECENTLY GOT
[00:37:22] ENGAGED WITH THIS PUBLICLY HIMSELF. THIS IS, A REALLY NASTY --
[00:37:26] DASHA: THIS ALLEGATIONS FROM HIS
[00:37:29] EX-WIFE INCLUDED -- POURING HOT
[00:37:33] WATER ON HER, BREAKING THEIR DAUGHTER'S --
[00:37:35] >> THESE ARE TERRIBLE
[00:37:39] OBLIGATIONS AND HE DENIES THEM. IF YOU ARE MIKE JOHNSON AND YOU
[00:37:42] HAVE A MEMBER WHO IS VEHEMENTLY DENYING THESE TERRIBLE
[00:37:45] ALLEGATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU TYPICALLY WANT TO GO TO THE
[00:37:48] ETHICS COMMITTEE FIRST TO HAVE THEM LOOK INTO IT. AND THEN YOU KIND OF RELY ON
[00:37:51] WHAT THE ACTUAL POLITICAL, THE POLICE AUTHORITIES ARE SAYING.
[00:37:55] BEFORE YOU KIND OF COME IN THERE.
[00:37:57] NOW, THERE IS THAT LEGAL STUFF
[00:38:00] THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, AND THEN THERE IS THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS. IF HE'S GOING TO LOSE THAT SEAT
[00:38:04] COME YOU SAY, WE HAVE GOT TO GET OUT OF THERE BECAUSE WE WILL LOSE THE SEAT.
[00:38:08] IT IS REALLY BAD. SO, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT MIKE JOHNSON IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
[00:38:12] DASHA: TIME HAS BASICALLY ALMOST
[00:38:15] RUN OUT FOR MILITARY DROPOUT. HE'S SAYING HE'S STAYING IN.
[00:38:18] WHAT DO DEMOCRATS SEE GOING ON
[00:38:22] HERE, AND IS THIS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY? >> I THINK IT IS BUT I DO NOT
[00:38:26] THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD THROW GASOLINE ON THE FIRE IN TERMS OF
[00:38:30] THE DOMESTIC SITUATION. HE HAS BEEN ALLEGEDLY -- SAYING
[00:38:34] AN ALLEGATION IS NOT A CONVICTION ABOUT THE POLITICAL
[00:38:38] ARENA IS NOT A COURTHOUSE. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONVICTED TO BE SOMEONE WHO SHOULD NOT BE
[00:38:42] HOLDING THE SEAT OR RUNNING THIS CAMPAIGN.
[00:38:44] SO, WITH DEMOCRATS, THEY SHOULD AGGRESSIVELY POUR MONEY INTO
[00:38:47] THIS BUT FOCUS ON THE SUBSTANCE AND THE IDEA THAT THE ECONOMY IS IN BAD SHAPE.
[00:38:50] DASHA: H IS DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT
[00:38:54] IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ALL. >> I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
[00:38:57] AT THE END OF THAT, THE VOTER CARES ABOUT ONE THING FOR US -- THEMSELVES.
[00:39:01] WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR ME? THE ECONOMY IS IN BAD SHAPE.
[00:39:05] WHAT YOU DOING TO FIX IT, HOW DO YOU BRING DOWN PRICES?
[00:39:09] FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE SEAT. NOT THROW GASOLINE ON THIS UGLY DIVORCE PROCEEDING.
[00:39:13] DASHA: INTERESTING PARTS OF MILLER'S RESPONSE TO ME IS HOW
[00:39:17] HE'S INVOKING THE TRUMP MODEL.
[00:39:21] HE SET IT ON CNN AND HE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE THAT,
[00:39:25] YOU KNOW, HE'S LOOKING AT 2016
[00:39:27] AND SCANDALS THAT PRESIDENT,
[00:39:29] THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP WAS
[00:39:32] EMBROILED IN AND STILL BECAME PRESIDENT. HE WAS DEFIANT IN THAT CASE.
[00:39:36] AND HE IS TRYING TO DO THE SAME
[00:39:40] THING, BUT ONE THING I HEAR FROM A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CANDIDATES THAT
[00:39:44] THINK THEY CAN BE TRUMP 2.0 AND
[00:39:46] NOBODY CAN REPLICATE WHAT TRUMP DID.
[00:39:50] >> AND, ALSO, THIS IS HIS EX-WIFE.
[00:39:54] THIS IS NOT SOME SORT OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST MAX MILLER.
[00:39:57] IT'S LIKE A REALLY UGLY, TO YOUR
[00:39:59] POINT, DEMOCRATS ARE STAYING OUT
[00:40:02] OF THIS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE DEMOCRATS ARE ENGAGED IN.
[00:40:05] YOU CAN BE DEFINED BUT THIS IS A VERY UGLY DIVORCE PROCEEDING, SPILLING OUT ON THE PAGES.
[00:40:09] AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW,
[00:40:13] IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A POLITICAL ATTACK. CAN YOU, IS THIS GOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY TO STAY IN THE RACE?
[00:40:18] I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION ANY
[00:40:21] CANDIDATE, ANYONE RUNNING FOR
[00:40:23] OFFICE, IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, YOU ARE NOT BEQUEATHED AT THIS JOB.
[00:40:27] IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE BY DIVINE RIGHT. AND IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING
[00:40:30] THAT IS NOT REALLY IN THE BEST
[00:40:36] INTERESTS OF THE CONGRESS AS AN INSTITUTION, YOU SHOULD THINK MAYBE I SHOULD STEP DOWN.
[00:40:40] DASHA: THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS
[00:40:43] POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE MIDTERMS. I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER
[00:40:46] DEVELOPMENTS IN THE RACE TO HOLD THE HOUSE AND SENATE FOR
[00:40:50] REPUBLICANS AND TO TAKE IT FOR DEMOCRATS. FOR AGGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS PICKED
[00:40:53] UP MORE VICTORIES, SPECIFICALLY
[00:40:57] IN MICHIGAN IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WATCHING.
[00:40:58] REUTERS WRITES, AL SAYED WINS
[00:41:04] AND JOLTS THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:41:14] COULD INTENSIFY DEBATE WITHIN DEMOCRATIC RANKS --
[00:41:17] MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE SIGNALING IS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
[00:41:21] ARE ALL THE PROCLAMATIONS OF HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS IS AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE TURN TO THE LEFT,
[00:41:24] HOW MUCH WEIGHT DO YOU GET THIS?
[00:41:27] >> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS
[00:41:30] ALWAYS LEANED TOWARD THE LEFT. THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS A LEFT-LEANING POLICY.
[00:41:34] I THINK THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT LEADER JEFFRIES.
[00:41:38] HE'S ESTABLISHMENT COME HE'S A
[00:41:41] LEADER FROM THE HOUSE FOR DEMOCRATS.
[00:41:42] HE HAS RECEIVED -- DONATIONS
[00:41:47] FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND FOR YEARS AND I THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
[00:41:50] THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE THESE NEWER CANDIDATES THAT ARE
[00:41:53] PUSHING THE PARTNER FOR -- PARTY FOR THE TO LOVE IS NOT PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT IS NOT EN
[00:41:57] MASSE.
[00:41:57] THE TEA PARTY HAD 60 MEMBERS
[00:42:01] WHICH WAS ROUGHLY A QUARTER OF THEIR CAUCUS.
[00:42:03] THE DSA AND THE LEFT DOES NOT
[00:42:07] HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT AMOUNT. THEY HAVE THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING FOR IT I THINK THAT IS GOOD.
[00:42:11] I THINK THE ENERGY IS GOOD. THE ATTENTION THEY BRING IS GOOD.
[00:42:15] BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS ARE INCREDIBLY SMALL.
[00:42:18] DASHA: OF COURSE, REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING TO, TO TAKE THE
[00:42:21] FOLKS IN THE DSA CAMP AND TRY
[00:42:29] TO SAY THEY ARE REPRESENTED OF THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. HOW ARE YOU WATCHING YOUR PARTY PLAY THIS?
[00:42:33] >> WELL, I MEAN, IT IS VERY
[00:42:37] INTERESTING BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CALLING THEMSELVES SOCIALISTS. DASHA: SOME OF THEM.
[00:42:40] >> THIS PORTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND I THINK
[00:42:44] WHETHER REPUBLICANS WILL DO, TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS WHAT THE
[00:42:48] DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED, AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF SOCIALIST.
[00:42:51] AND I THINK THE PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS IS SOCIALISM IS NOT
[00:42:54] WHAT IT USED TO BE AS A POLITICAL BOGEYMAN.
[00:42:58] AND SO, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF FLUSH IT OUT FOR PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
[00:43:02] AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES A LOT OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE PUSHING ON THE FAR LEFT.
[00:43:06] GET RID OF POLICE, GET RID OF I.C.E., MAKE SURE THAT
[00:43:10] BILLIONAIRES, UM, HAVE NO MONEY, AND IT IS GIVEN TO THE POOR.
[00:43:15] YOU KNOW, ALL THE SOCIALIST STUFF THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING. MAKE SURE YOU PUT THE MEET ON
[00:43:19] THE BONE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
[00:43:22] IN MICHIGAN IS REALLY, APEC
[00:43:25] POURED SO MUCH MONEY IN FOR STEVENS AND THIS IS A DRAMATIC
[00:43:29] DIFFERENCE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO BY A LARGE HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAEL OVER
[00:43:32] THE YEARS AND NOW HAS TAKEN A TURN AGAINST ISRAEL.
[00:43:36] I THINK THAT IS A SEA CHANGE,
[00:43:40] THAT REPUBLICANS WILL TRY TO SEIZE ON.
[00:43:41] DASHA: I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN
[00:43:44] TRAIL WITH MIKE JOHNSON AND PART
[00:43:45] OF HIS PITCH TO VOTERS IS TO
[00:43:48] CREATE THIS CONTRAST.
[00:43:49] HE SAYS, YOU'RE CHOOSING BETWEEN
[00:43:55] COMMON AND COMMUNISM. AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN.
[00:44:00] WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT SAYS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR REPUBLICANS?
[00:44:03] >> I THINK IT, IT IS EXACTLY
[00:44:06] WHAT WE PREDICTED IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE WILL BE MORE DISARRAY IN THE PARTY.
[00:44:10] THE ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN REAL TROUBLE. YOU HEAR VOICES LIKE JAMES
[00:44:14] CARVILLE AND BILL BARR, RAHM EMANUEL AND OTHERS SAYING, THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
[00:44:18] YOU WILL HAVE THE OLD SCHOOL DEMOCRATS LEAVING THE PARTY.
[00:44:21] DASHA: HE SAID HE WOULD WELCOME
[00:44:25] DEMOCRATS LEAVING THE PARTY, INTO THE BIG REPUBLICAN 10. ARE YOU HOPPING ON THAT TRAIN?
[00:44:28] >> THAT'S NONSENSE.
[00:44:32] LET'S MEMBER SOMETHING. MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
[00:44:35] COMMUNISM MEANS NOR SOCIALISM. FIRST OF ALL.
[00:44:37] SECOND OF ALL, I THINK THAT WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD DO WHAT I TOLD
[00:44:40] DEMOCRATS TO DO ACTUALLY IS THEY SHOULD TAKE THAT FIGHT TO REPUBLICANS.
[00:44:44] IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM, DONALD TRUMP HAS
[00:44:48] TAKEN GOVERNMENT STAKES OF MORE THAN 30 COMPANIES, 30 AMERICAN
[00:44:52] COMPANIES, 30 PRIVATE COMPANIES. THAT IS SOCIALISM. FOR DEMOCRATS, DON'T SIT BACK
[00:44:56] AND WAIT TO BE ATTACKED IN TERMS OF THESE CANDIDATES.
[00:44:59] LET'S DEFINE THE RECORD FOR THE RECORD IS A SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, A REPUBLICAN
[00:45:04] PRESIDENT, THAT IS TAKING GOVERNMENT STAKES IN 30 AMERICAN COMPANIES.
[00:45:07] LET'S SOCIALISM. DASHA: HAVE DEMOCRATS TAKEN YOUR ADVICE ENOUGH?
[00:45:11] >> I HOPE THEY DO SOON. THE LARGER ISSUE IS THAT THEY DO
[00:45:15] NOT FIGHT HARD ENOUGH. THIS IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH DEMOCRATS.
[00:45:18] YOU HAVE TO MAKE -- YOU CANNOT WAIT TO BE ATTACKED. HOPEFULLY THAT CHANGES.
[00:45:21] DASHA: YOUR TAKE.
[00:45:23] >> WHAT IS INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY IN THE BIGGER CITIES
[00:45:27] IS THE INFLUX OF WHITE, VERY
[00:45:30] LIBERAL YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY SETTING THE TERMS FOR THE DEBATE.
[00:45:33] THEY ARE VOTING AND THEY ARE ORGANIZING, VOTING A LOT MORE.
[00:45:37] AND I THINK IT SCARES A LOT OF THE MORE CONSERVATIVE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS AND A LOT OF
[00:45:41] THESE CITIES THAT THESE PEOPLE
[00:45:42] COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS,
[00:45:46] THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY NEVER HAD
[00:45:47] TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN LATTE BEFORE.
[00:45:51] AND SO, THIS HAS A REAL TENSION
[00:45:54] IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THIS REPUBLICAN. NOW, DO THINK A LOT OF AFRICAN
[00:45:57] MEGAN VOTERS ARE GOING TO SUDDENLY BECOME REPUBLICANS?
[00:45:59] I DON'T THINK SO BUT WE MIGHT GET A FEW AND THAT HELPS.
[00:46:03] DASHA: I SEE YOU MAKING FACES.
[00:46:06] >> THE DSA MOVEMENT IS ROOTED IN
[00:46:10] THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.
[00:46:11] THEY INTRODUCE MEDICAID FOR ALL 50 YEARS AGO.
[00:46:15] AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GOOD PAYING JOBS. THESE ARE ALL CONGRESSIONAL
[00:46:19] BLACK CAUCUS EFFORTS. AND SO, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS
[00:46:21] THAT I THINK MANY BLACK DEMOCRATS FEEL AS THOUGH THE
[00:46:25] WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE DECADES HAS BEEN CO-OPTED BY
[00:46:28] THIS GROUP OF YOUNG AFFLUENT WHITE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED INTO URBAN CITIES.
[00:46:32] AND SO, THERE IS SOME FRICTION THERE. BUT IT IS NOT NEW.
[00:46:35] THE CDC HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR DECADES.
[00:46:39] JOHN TIRES, WAS ESSENTIALLY THE ORIGINAL DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
[00:46:41] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU SAY THEN TO
[00:46:47] THE YOUNG FOLKS THAT ARE PART OF
[00:46:48] THE DSA MOVEMENT AND AS YOU SAY,
[00:46:53] CO-OPTING SOME OF WHAT THE CBC HAS DONE.
[00:46:55] >> JUMP ON THE TRAIN BUT DON'T
[00:46:59] GENTRIFIED. DON'T PRETEND YOU CREATED THIS MOVEMENT. AND THIS IS THE REAL
[00:47:02] CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BETWEEN
[00:47:05] BLACK DEMOCRATS AND THE DSA WHICH IS THAT THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO JOIN.
[00:47:09] YOU DID NOT START THIS MOVEMENT. DON'T PRETEND AS THOUGH YOU DID SO.
[00:47:12] I THINK A LEADER JEFFRIES AND OTHER BLACK DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
[00:47:16] LIKE CONYERS AND OTHERS, THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE. DASHA: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A
[00:47:19] POTENTIAL THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT
[00:47:23] WE ARE SEEING GROWING THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS IMAGE
[00:47:26] THAT WAS POSTED BY A FORMER CONGRESSMAN MARJORIE TAYLOR
[00:47:29] GREENE AT TUCKER CARLSON'S
[00:47:32] COMPOUND, KENTUCKY REPUBLICAN THOMAS MASSIE WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE.
[00:47:36] AND THEN ON WEDNESDAY, TUCKER
[00:47:37] CARLSON UNVEILED A 10 POINT
[00:47:41] MANIFESTO. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THE TUCKER OF IT ALL IN THE
[00:47:45] REPUBLICAN PARTY? >> PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT
[00:47:49] HAPPENED TO TUCKER CARLSON? HE SEEMED LIKE A NICE REASONABLE GUY.
[00:47:52] DASHA: HE STILL HAS A MASS OF FALLING. CAN YOU REALLY BRUSH THAT OFF?
[00:47:56] >> Y EAH, I MEAN, I DO THINK
[00:47:58] THAT THE PRESIDENT'S WAR IN IRAN
[00:48:03] HAS LEFT A MARK WITH A LOT OF
[00:48:07] MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, TUCKER CARLSON, AND THERE IS A LOT OF YOUNG VOTERS ESPECIALLY, YOUNG
[00:48:11] MALE VOTERS, WHO REALLY THOUGHT
[00:48:13] THAT TRUMP MEANT NO MORE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
[00:48:17] AND I THINK THAT THEY ARE, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL START A THIRD PARTY.
[00:48:21] A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE.
[00:48:24] TRUMP HAS GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW
[00:48:27] TO GET OUT OF THIS IRAN WAR,
[00:48:30] WHICH FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE FAR RIGHT, SEEN AS TREACHERY.
[00:48:33] AND BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WILL
[00:48:37] NECESSARILY HAVE THE ABILITY TO START A THIRD PARTY ESPECIALLY
[00:48:41] IN THE MIDTERMS. I THINK WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT TUCKER WILL RUN IN THE
[00:48:45] REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN 2020 EIGHT. DASHA: WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT
[00:48:48] WOULD MEAN FOR REPUBLICANS? >> IT IS WIDE OPEN.
[00:48:50] DASHA: ARE PEOPLE SCARED, EXCITED BY THE?
[00:48:55] >> SOME PEOPLE ARE EXCITED
[00:48:58] ABOUT IT. I THINK YOU ALSO, YOU SEE JD VANCE, I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU SAW
[00:49:03] HIS INTERVIEW WITH JOE ROGAN. BUT HE EMBRACED SOME OF THE
[00:49:06] THINGS THAT TUCKER CARLSON WAS SAYING OBLIQUELY. HE HAS PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS
[00:49:10] ANTIWAR.
[00:49:10] AND I THINK, IF HE DOES GET THE
[00:49:14] NOMINATION, HE WILL BE SOMEONE, ONE HECK OF -- WE'RE NOT GOING
[00:49:18] TO DO ANY MORE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THAT WILL A LARGE PART SATISFY
[00:49:22] SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW SO ANGRY ABOUT THIS WAR.
[00:49:24] DASHA: IF CARLSON RUNS AS A
[00:49:27] THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, DOES THAT FRACTURE THE GOP?
[00:49:31] >> I DON'T THINK SO. HE HAS A HUGE ONLINE PRESENCE
[00:49:35] BUT IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY VOTE AND MIDTERM
[00:49:38] ELECTIONS ANYWAY. DASHA: FORGET MIDTERMS, I'M TALKING 2028.
[00:49:42] >> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
[00:49:46] BARELY VOTE WHO LIGHT TUCKER CARLSON. DASHA: THAT WAS TRUMP'S ENTIRE
[00:49:50] STRATEGY WAS -- BRINGING OUT
[00:49:53] THE LOW PROPENSITY VOTERS AND IT WORKED OUT. >> IT HELPED HIM A LOT BUT I DO
[00:49:58] NOT THINK I GOT HIM OVER THE LINES.
[00:49:59] I THINK IT DID HELP HIS MARGINS
[00:50:02] FOR THE FACT IS, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AN EFFORT BY CANDIDATES
[00:50:06] IN THE PARTY TO EMBRACE THOSE WHO ARE DISAFFECTED BY THIS WAR.
[00:50:10] AND I THINK IT WILL BE JD VANCE HE DOES IT. DASHA: HOW CLOSELY ARE DEMOCRATS
[00:50:14] WATCHING THIS?
[00:50:15] >> WE ARE NOT POURING GASOLINE
[00:50:19] ON THE FIRE. LISTEN, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
[00:50:22] THERE IS A TRUMP PARTY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE LEAVES?
[00:50:26] I'LL TAKE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS
[00:50:27] WHICH IS I PUBLISH AN INTELLIGENCE NEWSLETTER FOR
[00:50:32] CEO'S. I'M TALK TO SOME OF THE
[00:50:35] REPUBLICANS ABOUT IT AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT LEAD LARGE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY SAID
[00:50:38] PRIVATELY THEY DON'T TRUST THE REPUBLICAN ANY LONGER BECAUSE
[00:50:41] TRUMP IS A PROBLEM.
[00:50:44] THEY'RE AFRAID OF CONFRONTING THEM PUBLICLY BUT ONCE HE LEAVES, WHAT IS LEFT?
[00:50:48] I THINK THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE. WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE DOING
[00:50:52] IS POURING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS CONVERSATION ONLINE
[00:50:55] AND ON TV, CREATING A DIVIDE. I ACTUALLY THINK THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED HERE.
[00:50:59] IF THE ROLES WERE SWITCHED, REPUBLICANS CERTAINLY WOULD BE
[00:51:02] POURING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AS
[00:51:06] THEY SHOULD. ABSOLUTE.
[00:51:08] DASHA: THIS IS THAT FIGHT YOU
[00:51:11] WERE TALKING ABOUT. LET'S MOVE TO WISCONSIN AND THANKSGIVING. IN AUGUST. WHY NOT?
[00:51:17] WISCONSIN VOTERS ARE HEADING TO THE POLLS ON TUESDAY AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST FRANCESCA
[00:51:20] HONG IS THE FRONT RUNNER.
[00:51:24] THIS WEEK SHE TALKED ABOUT HER PAST SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS CALLING FOR THANKSGIVING TO BE CANCELED.
[00:51:28] >> I'M A CHEF AND ONE OF THE
[00:51:33] FIRST MEALS THAT I MADE THAT WAS
[00:51:33] FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN I WAS 16
[00:51:39] WAS A THANKSGIVING MEAL. I ALWAYS THINK MY HOSPITALITY
[00:51:42] BACKGROUND AND OWNING A RESTAURANT FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT
[00:51:46] YEARS, THAT BRINGING FOLKS AROUND THE TABLE TO SHARE
[00:51:48] CONVERSATION AND BUILD COMMUNITY
[00:51:51] IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING. BUT THANKSGIVING IS ALSO A TIME
[00:51:55] THAT IS INCREDIBLY PAINFUL FOR MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
[00:51:58] AND SO, I THINK THERE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE
[00:52:02] UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE VIEWS, VIEWS CAN EVOLVE.
[00:52:06] AND THE POSITION I'M RUNNING FOR RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK MY
[00:52:09] BACKGROUND AS A CHEF WILL ACTUALLY HELP ME BECOME A BETTER
[00:52:13] GOVERNOR THAT IS ABLE TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE.
[00:52:14] DASHA: THEN SHE CAME TO POLITICO
[00:52:18] TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT.
[00:52:18] >> MY FAVORITE HOLIDAY IS
[00:52:25] THANKSGIVING. BECAUSE --
[00:52:28] >> THEY HAVE IT.
[00:52:30] >> I DON'T WANT TO CANCEL IT.
[00:52:34] I ACTUALLY LOVE IT. ACTUALLY IT IS IN-LAWS AND
[00:52:37] FAMILY MEMBERS IN THEIR. -- IN THERE.
[00:52:41] AND IT IS A BIG EVENT. YOU KNOW, I AM JUST, I AM GOING TO BE REAL.
[00:52:46] I AM A CURMUDGEON WHEN IT COMES TO HOLIDAYS IN GENERAL.
[00:52:48] DASHA: OK, MICHAEL, MICHAEL,
[00:52:50] STRATEGIST HAT ON, YOU ARE ADVISING DEMOCRATS.
[00:52:54] YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR WHAT FOLKS AND THE PARTY SHOULD DO.
[00:52:57] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT CLEANUP?
[00:52:59] >> NONSENSE.
[00:53:02] ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS NONSENSE. ABOUT THANKSGIVING, AND WHAT SHE THINKS ABOUT IT.
[00:53:05] ALL OF THAT IS NONSENSE. AND IT'S MEANINGLESS.
[00:53:09] VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. VOTERS CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT GAS IS MORE THAN FOUR DOLLARS A
[00:53:13] GALLON. VOTERS CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEIR ELECTRICITY BILLS ARE UP.
[00:53:16] THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. I WILL SAY THIS.
[00:53:19] BY THE WAY, I THINK I SAW THE BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT SUPPORTING
[00:53:23] THIS PERSON. DASHA: HE'S NOT.
[00:53:25] >> THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.
[00:53:28] SO THIS IS AN OUTLIER. IN AN ERA OF VERY SERIOUS
[00:53:32] CONVERSATIONS AND ISSUES WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT. DASHA: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THANKSGIVING?
[00:53:35] >> I TEND TO LIKE IT.
[00:53:38] SOMETIMES I EAT TOO MUCH. I LOVE WATCHING FOOTBALL AND BEING WITH THE FAMILY.
[00:53:41] I THINK THIS IS POLITICALLY, A DISASTER FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:53:44] I THINK THE FACT THAT SHE IS A LEADING CANDIDATE AND WISCONSIN
[00:53:48] IS A VERY IMPORTANT STATE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
[00:53:51] LEADING UP TO 2028. IT IS A SWING STATE.
[00:53:55] THE OTHER THING, SHE ALSO SAID SHE'S UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND WHITE PEOPLE.
[00:54:00] WISCONSIN IS AN OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE STATE. SO, THESE ARE THE KIND OF COMMENTS THAT SHOW WERE TO BE
[00:54:04] OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM OF, UM, OF
[00:54:06] THE WISCONSIN THOUGHT.
[00:54:09] SHE IS NOT, SHE IS NOT TYPICAL WISCONSIN PROGRESSIVE.
[00:54:13] SHE IS A LEFT-WINGER WHO IS TRYING TO PLAY A PROGRESSIVE. THE FACT THE BERNIE SANDERS IS
[00:54:18] NOT ENDORSING HER AND YET SHE IS STILL LEADING THE PRIMER, IS A DISASTER FOR DEMOCRATS.
[00:54:21] DASHA: LET'S TRAVEL FROM THE
[00:54:24] MIDWEST TO THE SOUTH AND TALK ABOUT TAXES.
[00:54:26] AXIOS IS SUMMING UP A SITUATION
[00:54:30] LIKE THIS P OR THREE CONSECUTIVE POLLS HAVE SHOWN DEMOCRAT JAMES TALARICO NARROWLY AHEAD OF TEXAS
[00:54:34] ATTORNEY GENERAL KEN PAXTON IN THAT STATE'S CRUCIAL RACE FOR THE U.S. SENATE.
[00:54:38] THE LATEST, RELEASED TUESDAY MORNING, HAS TALARICO UP 47% OT
[00:54:44] TO 45%."
[00:54:50] REPRESENTATIVE JASMINE CROCKETT SAID SHE SKEPTICAL HER FORMER
[00:54:54] PRIMARY RIVAL JAMES TALARICO CAN TURN TEXAS BLUE THIS FALL.
[00:54:55] I DON'T KNOW, SHE TOLD NBC NEWS,
[00:54:58] CROCKETT SAYS SHE DOES NOT BY THE GENERAL ELECTION POLLS
[00:55:00] SAYING THAT THEY OVERSTATED DEMOCRATS PROSPECTS IN TEXAS.
[00:55:04] I WATCH MONEY AND WHEN I LOOK AT MONEY IF REPUBLICANS START SPENDING MONEY IN TEXAS AND I'LL BE CONVINCED."
[00:55:11] MICHAEL, THE WHITE WHALE OF
[00:55:16] TEXAS FOR DEMOCRATS, IS IT A REAL POSSIBILITY, IS THIS WISHFUL THINKING?
[00:55:20] IS TELLICO THE GUY TO DO IT? >> WE ARE ALMOST THERE.
[00:55:23] DASHA: THAT IS A LOT OF ALMOSTS.
[00:55:25] >> FOR YEARS.
[00:55:28] BUT I THINK TALARICO IS A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE. THE ECONOMY IS IN BAD SHAPE.
[00:55:32] BUT MOST IMPORTANT LEAD THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS TERRIBLE.
[00:55:36] THIS PERSON IS A CRIMINAL, RIGHT? HE WAS IMPEACHED BY HIS OWN
[00:55:39] PARTY PETE WHO WENT THROUGH AN UGLY DIVORCE AND SO I THINK
[00:55:44] DEMOCRATS HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN THIS SEAT.
[00:55:46] I THINK THE MONEY IS THERE. I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT CROCKETT SAID IN TERMS OF HOW
[00:55:50] SHE'S HANDLING THIS. THIS COULD BE A REAL PICK UP.
[00:55:52] IN THE NEAR FUTURE, DEMOCRATS
[00:55:56] CAN WIN THE STATEWIDE IN TEXAS. DASHA: ARE REPUBLICAN'S IT ALL HERE?
[00:56:01] THEY SHOULD SWEAT A LITTLE BIT. TEXAS IS NOT A -- PAST AND IS
[00:56:04] NOT A GREAT CANDIDATE. HE'S BEEN OFF IN EUROPE, HAS NOT BEEN CAMPAIGNING.
[00:56:08] HE ALSO HAD MILLIONS AND
[00:56:12] MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS RUN AGAINST HIM BY JOHN CORNYN.
[00:56:13] IN THE PRIMARY.
[00:56:18] EVERYBODY KNOWS PECK STEIN. HE'S ONE MANY TIMES.
[00:56:21] I THINK YOU WILL WIN. I THINK CROCKETT IS RIGHT.
[00:56:24] HAD THE DEMOCRATS PUT FORWARD A CANDIDATE LIKE LLOYD BENSON
[00:56:28] TYPE, THEY WOULD BE WINNING THIS BUT THEY DON'T NOT HAVE THOSE ANYMORE.
[00:56:31] SO, I THINK REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THIS PRETTY COMFORTABLY.
[00:56:34] DASHA: BEFORE I LET YOU BOTH GO,
[00:56:37] I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON ON THE HILL WITH DR. ANTHONY FAUCI.
[00:56:41] THIS WEEK. HIS DECISION TO PLEAD THE FIFTH
[00:56:43] IS NOT GOING OVER WELFARE THE
[00:56:47] SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE VOTED TO HOLD HIM IN CONTEMPT OVER REFUSAL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
[00:56:53] IS THIS ALL POLITICAL, IS THIS A POLITICAL FIGHT THAT VOTERS WANT
[00:56:56] TO SEE? >> I THINK SOME VOTERS WANT TO
[00:57:00] SEE IT. I THINK SOME PEOPLE, THAT IS WHAT I CALL THE SILENT MAJORITY
[00:57:04] THAT ARE REALLY UPSET WITH WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID.
[00:57:06] REALLY UPSET WHAT HAPPENED WITH WHAT DR. FAUCI DID WITH CLOSING THINGS AND THE FACT THAT HE
[00:57:11] WOULD NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR
[00:57:15] REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO GET ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT BEING SAID, THIS KIND OF
[00:57:18] BREAKS DOWN OUR OWN PARTISAN LINES.
[00:57:21] IF YOU ARE DEMOCRAT YOU TEND TO SUPPORT AND LOVE CHILD YOU.
[00:57:24] IF YOUR REFUND CAN YOU TEND TO HATE FAUCI.
[00:57:27] THE INTERESTING PART OF THIS NARRATIVE IS WHERE IS TRUMP?
[00:57:30] HE LOVED FAUCI DURING MUCH OF
[00:57:35] COVID AND I WE HATES HIM. HE IS KIND OF, WHERE THE HEART
[00:57:38] OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE DR. FAUCI
[00:57:41] DURING THE COVID LUCKED AND THEY TRUSTED HIM.
[00:57:45] AND NOW THEY HAVE COMPLETELY TURNED ON HIM. DASHA: MICHAEL, WHAT DO YOU
[00:57:49] THINK, ABOUT HOW DR. FAUCI PLAYED THIS?
[00:57:50] >> I THINK BULLYING AND
[00:57:54] 85-YEAR-OLD MAN IS A PATHETIC THING AND AN ERROR WITH ALL OF
[00:57:57] THESE VERY SERIOUS SITUATIONS. I THINK HE DID THE RIGHT THING.
[00:58:00] WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO COVID AND REMEMBER THERE WAS SO MUCH WE DID NOT KNOW IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
[00:58:05] WE HAD MORE THAN ONE MILLION AMERICANS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES DUE TO COVID.
[00:58:10] YEARS LATER WE ARE GOING TO READ LEGISLATE THIS AND PRETEND LIKE WE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS.
[00:58:14] THAT IS NOT AN HONEST THING.
[00:58:16] YES, THIS IS REDMEAT FOR
[00:58:19] RIGHT-WING VOTERS WHO HATE THE GUY. BUT I THINK MODERATES ON BOTH
[00:58:22] SIDES OF THE AISLE DON'T LIKE THIS.
[00:58:24] INDEPENDENTS DON'T LIKE THIS PAID SOME REPUBLICANS NEED THOSE
[00:58:28] PEOPLE CERTAINLY IF THEY HOPE TO HOLD THE SENATE.
[00:58:29] DASHA: THERE IS ALSO THIS PATTERN FROM REPUBLICANS
[00:58:33] PARTICULARLY FROM TRUMP TO RE-
[00:58:36] LITIGATE THE PAST. WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
[00:58:38] COVID OR THE 2020 ELECTION, DOES
[00:58:42] THAT RUN A POLITICAL RISK? >> I DON'T THINK SO.
[00:58:45] I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT'S
[00:58:49] SPEECH TALKING ABOUT 2020
[00:58:50] ELECTION AND AND THE WHITE HOUSE
[00:58:54] WAS PARTICULAR HELPFUL. I THINK A LOT OF THE STAFF DID NOT THINK IT WAS HELPFUL.
[00:58:57] IT DID NOT MOVE THE NEEDLE. THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, THERE
[00:59:00] ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
[00:59:02] THOSE YEARS THAT PROBABLY NEED SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR.
[00:59:05] AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
[00:59:08] I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE DR. FAUCI DIARIES, HE LIED TO THE
[00:59:11] AMERICAN PEOPLE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. AND COVERED UP HIS OWN TRACKS.
[00:59:15] SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS SOME POLITICAL USES OUT OF IT
[00:59:18] BUT IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT POLITICS. MOSTLY ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
[00:59:21] DASHA: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE. REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST JOHN
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