CSPAN — Ceasefire Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi  Pete Sessions
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[00:00:02] WEIGHING AND THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR SERVING THE COUNTRY.
[00:00:07] IT'S AN INTERESTING TOPIC, ESPECIALLY WHILE WE ARE AT WAR.
[00:00:10] HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAY.
[00:00:13] THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS CALLED IN. WE PACKED A LOT INTO THIS SHOW,
[00:00:16] WHICH IS ALWAYS THE BENEFIT ON THE WEEKEND.
[00:00:19] THERE'S A LOT TO CONTINUE
[00:00:20] WATCHING AS THE DAYS PLAY OUT.
[00:00:24] PRESIDENT TRUMP'S NEW JERSEY AT HIS GOLF CLUB. STICK AROUND HERE AT C-SPAN.
[00:00:28] WE WILL BE AIRING CEASEFIRE NEXT
[00:00:31] WITH THE GREAT DASHA BURNS. THANKS AGAIN.
[00:00:40] ♪
[00:00:48] DASHA: WELCOME TO "CEASEFIRE,"
[00:00:51] WE LOOK TO BRIDGE --
[00:01:00] WHERE WE LOOK TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN AMERICAN POLITICS. I AM DASHA BURNS FROM POLITICO.
[00:01:03] WE HAVE ILLINOIS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN RAJA KRISHNAMOORTHI AND TEXAS
[00:01:06] REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN PETE SESSIONS. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME FROM YOUR RESPECTIVE
[00:01:09] STATES TODAY.
[00:01:10] >> GOOD MORNING.
[00:01:15] GOOD TO SEE YOU.
[00:01:19] DASHA: I WANT TO START WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE BOTH
[00:01:23] SERVED ON -- THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. WE HERE ON "CEASEFIRE," WE ARE ALL ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP, NOT
[00:01:26] HIGH DRAMA.
[00:01:28] I THINK THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
[00:01:36] IS KIND OF KNOWN FOR SOME HIGH DRAMA. I AM CURIOUS, YOU TWO HAVE DONE A LOT OF BIPARTISAN WORK.
[00:01:40] CAN YOU TAKE ME BEHIND THE SCENES OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT SEE ON THIS REALLY CRITICAL
[00:01:43] COMMITTEE.
[00:01:49] WE WILL START WITH YOU. REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: THANKS FOR HAVING US. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU, PETE.
[00:01:52] INTERESTINGLY, PETE AND I VISIT THE HOUSE GYM AROUND THE
[00:01:56] SAME TIME EVERY DAY.
[00:02:05] SO, I GUESS THE LAWMAKERS WHO GET TO THE GYM EARLY GET EXTRA
[00:02:08] DOSES OF EACH OTHER EVERY DAY.
[00:02:14] DASHA: THAT'S WHERE THE COLLABORATION HAPPENS. REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
[00:02:18] I THINK ON THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE,
[00:02:19] IT IS THE SCENE OF A LOT OF HIGH
[00:02:25] AND ANTICS -- HIGH DRAMA AND
[00:02:29] ANTICS. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, ON CERTAIN ISSUES, WE HAVE FOUND WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER. I THINK THE MOST NOTABLE FOR ME
[00:02:33] IS THE EPSTEIN INVESTIGATION, WHERE ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS, I THINK WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF
[00:02:37] PROGRESS IN INTERVIEWING AND DEPOSING A LOT OF WITNESSES.
[00:02:41] JUST TO GIVE YOUR VIEWERS BACKGROUND INFORMATION, MORE
[00:02:45] THAN 1000 -- THEN GIRLS, NOW
[00:02:50] MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN -- WERE ABUSED
[00:02:54] IN A GHASTLY SEX TRAFFICKING
[00:02:56] RING THAT WAS ORCHESTRATED BY JEFFREY EPSTEIN, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, AND OTHERS.
[00:03:01] AND THEY ARE YET TO RECEIVE A SINGLE MEASURE OF JUSTICE. THE TURNING POINT THAT LED TO COOPERATION IS WHEN THE
[00:03:04] SURVIVORS CAME IN, AND WE AS A
[00:03:08] COMMITTEE, THANKS TO JIM COMER AND RANKING MEMBER GARCIA, BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER TO MEET
[00:03:12] WITH THEM.
[00:03:16] AND IT WAS A VERY MOVING EXPERIENCE, HONESTLY. AND I THINK THAT HELPED TO
[00:03:20] STIFFEN THE RESOLVE OF THE COMMITTEE ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED AND TO
[00:03:23] PREVENT IT FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF
[00:03:27] THAT.
[00:03:30] OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK
[00:03:33] THAT'S AN AREA OF BIPARTISANSHIP THAT I'VE SEEN.
[00:03:38] DASHA: I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU BOTH THIS HEADLINE FROM THE PALM
[00:03:40] BEACH POST IN MAY.
[00:03:42] IT SAYS, "HOUSE OVERSIGHT KNOWN FOR ANTICS
[00:03:46] TURNS SERIOUS ON EPSTEIN. THE MATTER HAS LARGELY BEEN HANDLED BY THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT
[00:03:49] COMMITTEE, THE SERIOUSNESS OF
[00:03:50] THE TASK, LET ALONE THE GRAVITY
[00:03:54] OF THE EPSTEIN ISSUE, IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE DRAMA, ANTICS, AND THEATRICS THAT HAVE EITHER OCCASIONALLY BEEN AIRED
[00:03:58] IN OR ENVELOPED THE COMMITTEE'S PUBLIC GATHERINGS OR ITS
[00:04:00] INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS."
[00:04:03] SMALL SESSIONS, DO YOU THINK THAT IS AN ACCURATE
[00:04:06] DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE? REP. SESSIONS: I THINK IT IS.
[00:04:10] WE DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
[00:04:11] THE DOCUMENTS.
[00:04:20] IT RESIDED WITHIN A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIONS, GOING BACK TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION MOVING FORWARD.
[00:04:23] AND IT WAS REALLY SEEN AS A
[00:04:25] LEGAL MATTER.
[00:04:28] AND THEN, AS IT BECAME BROUGHT
[00:04:31] FORWARD, AS IT CAME, AS IT WAS
[00:04:36] BROUGHT FORWARD, IT THEN TURNED
[00:04:37] INTO WHAT WE SIZE -- WHAT WE SAW
[00:04:40] AS HOLES OF IMPORTANT DATA AND INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE, WE THINK AT LEAST
[00:04:45] PUBLICLY, THROUGH AN
[00:04:46] INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS.
[00:04:50] SO IT TURNED INTO A MATTER WHERE IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR BOTH
[00:04:55] SIDES, NOT JUST TO SEE THIS FOR
[00:04:58] WHAT IT WAS, BUT TO SEE THE FRAILTY OF THE SYSTEM.
[00:05:00] THE SYSTEM DID NOT TREAT THESE YOUNG WOMEN PROPERLY.
[00:05:04] IT DID NOT YIELD THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE
[00:05:08] NECESSARY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
[00:05:09] EFFECTIVELY HAVE LEARNED THE LESSON.
[00:05:13] AND SO, IT BECAME VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
[00:05:15] IT ALSO WAS A MATTER, AS WE ALL
[00:05:21] KNOW, THAT SPANNED JURISDICTIONS.
[00:05:23] FLORIDA, NEW YORK, NEW MEXICO,
[00:05:28] OTHER JURISDICTIONS, FEDERAL AND STATE, A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS.
[00:05:32] WE FELT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, EFFECTIVELY, HANDLED
[00:05:37] BETTER BY WORKING TOGETHER.
[00:05:40] IT WAS OBVIOUS NOT ONLY TO ME
[00:05:41] BUT TO THE DEMOCRATS BUT ALSO
[00:05:48] THE REPUBLICANS. THIS WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE DID NOT HAVE AN ANGLE YET TO
[00:05:52] ATTACK EACH OTHER BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ADMINISTRATIONS, REPUBLICANS
[00:05:54] AND DEMOCRATS.
[00:05:59] IT WAS DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS GENERAL.
[00:06:03] SO IT BECAME AN EASY THING FOR US TO DO.
[00:06:07] NEXT, IT BECAME IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE. NOT JUST, NOTWITHSTANDING MY WIFE WHO STAYED AFTER ME, EVERY
[00:06:10] SINGLE MEMBER HAD SOMEONE WHO
[00:06:17] IT WAS HUGELY IMPORTANT TO. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED IN THINGS, IT IS ONE AREA OF THE COUNTRY OR ONE PARTY
[00:06:20] OR ANOTHER, THIS DEALT WITH EVERY SINGLE WOMAN.
[00:06:24] AND I THINK WE OURSELVES SAW
[00:06:27] WHERE IT WAS A NATIONAL NIGHTMARE. SO WORKING TOGETHER WE ACCOMPLISH MORE.
[00:06:31] DASHA: IT IS REMARKABLE TO HEAR HOW YOU BOTH ARE TALKING ABOUT
[00:06:33] THIS ISSUE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE
[00:06:36] SERIOUSNESS OF THE WORK YOU HAVE BEEN DOING.
[00:06:38] IT DOES STAND IN CONTRAST WITH
[00:06:43] SOME OF THE POLITICIZATION OF
[00:06:47] THIS ISSUE OUTSIDE OF YOUR COMMITTEE.
[00:06:50] WHY DO YOU THINK SOMETHING THAT,
[00:06:53] YOU KNOW, ON ITS FACE SHOULD NOT
[00:06:54] BE PARTISAN BECAME SO POLITICAL
[00:06:59] OUTSIDE OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL
[00:07:00] WERE DOING?
[00:07:07] REP. SESSIONS: WELL, RAJ
[00:07:12] WILL HAVE HIS OWN ANSWER, AND I THINK AS WE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WE
[00:07:16] ARE ARTICLE I WE DEAL A LOT WITH ARTICLE II, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS
[00:07:20] A NUMBER OF STRONG PRESIDENTS. FOR SURE, PRESIDENT OBAMA.
[00:07:22] FOR SURE, PRESIDENT TRUMP.
[00:07:25] AND THEN PRESIDENT BIDEN.
[00:07:30] WHO CAME ABOUT THEIR USE OF OFFICE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
[00:07:33] WE HAD BEEN IN THE SAME, ALMOST
[00:07:36] THE EXACT SAME COMMITTEE MAKEUP SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE GOING
[00:07:40] THROUGH THE BIDEN ISSUES WITH
[00:07:47] AND HIS SON, WITH THE OFFICIAL TRAVEL, WITH COCAINE.
[00:07:51] A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER STRIKINGLY
[00:07:56] RESEMBLE SOME THINGS THAT MAY BE
[00:08:00] HAPPENING TODAY. THAT IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS HIS
[00:08:04] VIEWS AND THOUGHTS THAT NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH.
[00:08:07] AND SO, THOSE WERE WORTH FIGHTING FOR.
[00:08:09] WE FEEL LIKE IT IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR AS WE APPROACH
[00:08:12] PRESIDENT TRUMP IN MANY INSTANCES.
[00:08:16] AND CERTAINLY THE DEMOCRATS FELT
[00:08:17] LIKE THEY HAD THAT SAME ABILITY
[00:08:21] AND DESIRE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN.
[00:08:22] SO, THESE ARE -- THESE ARE
[00:08:27] ISSUES WE ARE FIGHTING FOR AND THAT THEY DEAL WITH THE ESSENCE
[00:08:30] OF OUR -- OF ARTICLE TWO. DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT AND HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK
[00:08:34] IT WAS FOR BOTH PARTIES TO SORT
[00:08:36] OF BUCK SOME OF THE OUTSIDE
[00:08:41] EXPECTATIONS HERE AND MOVE FORWARD AND DO IT YOU FELT WAS RIGHT?
[00:08:46] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I THINK IT
[00:08:47] IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
[00:08:50] ONE THING I WOULD JUST AS IT IS, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE
[00:08:54] SURVIVORS, TO ME, THE POLITICS
[00:08:58] REALLY START TO FALL AWAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL HUMAN
[00:09:02] BEINGS, WHO HAVE SUFFERED A
[00:09:06] GRAVE MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. AND YOU COULD EASILY IMAGINE ANY NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE SUFFERING
[00:09:10] THE SAME FATE.
[00:09:12] I'M A FATHER OF A DAUGHTER THAT
[00:09:15] -- IT'S THE BIGGEST FEAR OF MY LIFE THAT ANYBODY WOULD MISTREAT
[00:09:19] ANY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY. AND HERE WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF
[00:09:22] YOUNG WOMEN, THEN GIRLS, REALLY,
[00:09:28] WHO WERE ABUSED.
[00:09:28] AND SO, JUST LIKE THAT, THIS
[00:09:32] REALLY TAKES IT OUT OF POLITICS. AT LEAST FOR ME.
[00:09:36] THAT'S WHY WIN, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT CLINTON DID NOT COME
[00:09:39] BEFORE US I HAD TO CAST A VOTE
[00:09:44] THAT MAY BE SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE
[00:09:47] SUPPORTERS OF HIS DID NOT LIKE. THAT HELD HIM IN CONTEMPT WHEN
[00:09:51] HE WASN'T COOPERATING WITH THE COMMITTEE.
[00:09:55] NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, PRESIDENT
[00:09:57] TRUMP IS, I THINK PETE ARTFULLY
[00:09:59] ALLUDED TO IT, BUT PRESIDENT
[00:10:03] TRUMP IS NOT AS FULLY COOPERATIVE IS WE WOULD LIKE.
[00:10:06] AND I KNOW MANY, MANY REPUBLICAN
[00:10:08] COLLEAGUES HAVE ECHOED THE SAME.
[00:10:11] AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN STAND TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE AND KIND
[00:10:14] OF BUCK THOSE OUTSIDE FORCES AND REALLY GET TO JUSTICE.
[00:10:18] BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
[00:10:22] DASHA: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN AS COOPERATIVE IN THIS AS YOU WOULD LIKE AND WHAT DO YOU
[00:10:26] THINK NEEDS TO COME NEXT IN
[00:10:32] ORDER TO GET JUSTICE FOR THESE WOMEN? REP. SESSIONS: I THINK THESE ARE
[00:10:35] IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND, BY THE WAY, I HOPE WE GO TO SOME OTHER
[00:10:38] TOPICS THAT WE DO HAVE
[00:10:43] BIPARTISANSHIP, AT LEAST IN MY
[00:10:46] SUBCOMMITTEE, THE GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS THAT I HAVE.
[00:10:49] SO, LET'S STAY ON THIS FOR A SECOND. WHAT HAPPENED IS IS THAT THIS
[00:10:52] THING TURNED INTO MORE OF A POLITICAL FOOTBALL WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ARGUMENTS STARTED
[00:10:56] BEING MADE THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, PARTICULARLY MEN, DID
[00:10:59] NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING TO THE
[00:11:01] BOTTOM OF THIS.
[00:11:05] AND THERE BECAME -- LEGISLATION
[00:11:09] THAT WAS PASSED ON THE FLOOR --
[00:11:15] WHEREBY IT ESSENTIALLY TOOK IT OUT OF OUR HANDS AND GAVE IT
[00:11:18] THEN DIRECTLY TO THE LAW ABOUT
[00:11:22] WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD DO.
[00:11:23] AND SO THAT PUT IT BACK IN THE
[00:11:28] DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WHICH MEANT PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT IN
[00:11:33] HIS OWN CONVERSATIONS HAD CONVERSATION WITH THEM, BUT IT
[00:11:36] WAS ACTUALLY IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD IT.
[00:11:40] THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL THEN
[00:11:43] HANDLED THE ISSUE, CAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, TALKED WITH US.
[00:11:46] BUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE LAW AND THE LAW WAS VERY SPECIFIC
[00:11:51] THAT WAS PASSED THAT SAID THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE
[00:11:56] REDACTED, WE WOULD NOT OUT OF A
[00:11:59] PERSON WHO WAS A VICTIM. IT WRAPPED UP IN A DIFFERENT
[00:12:03] WAY. I STILL THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT NEITHER SIDE CAN ANSWER.
[00:12:09] AND PERHAPS THEY ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.
[00:12:12] PERHAPS THEY ARE PRIVACY ISSUES. BUT A MEMBER OF CONGRESS HAS A
[00:12:15] DIFFICULT TIME -- AND THIS IS
[00:12:19] WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO RUSH WHAT I
[00:12:23] SAW WAS A PART -- WAS A
[00:12:28] BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ENDED UP
[00:12:31] BEING THIS -- THIS NEW PIECE OF LEGISLATION. DASHA: I AM GLAD WE STARTED WITH THIS TOPIC BECAUSE I DO THINK
[00:12:35] THAT IT IS ILLUSTRATIVE OF THIS
[00:12:36] MOMENT IN CONGRESS WHERE THERE
[00:12:40] IT IS IN MANY PLACES A DESIRE TO
[00:12:44] WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION, AND IT ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN MORE
[00:12:47] OFTEN THEN PEOPLE THINK, BUT YOU
[00:12:49] ARE DEALING WITH THESE OUTSIDE POLITICAL PRESSURES IN THE MIDST
[00:12:53] OF IT ALL. I DO WANT TO GET YOUR BIGGER PICTURE PERSPECTIVE ON HOW HARD
[00:12:57] IT IS TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE
[00:13:01] IN THIS POLARIZED MOMENT. CONGRESSMAN KRISHNAMOORTHI?
[00:13:05] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: UM, LIKE, I'LL JUST TELL YOU ON A DAILY
[00:13:09] BASIS, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER
[00:13:14] AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER I AM
[00:13:15] TALKING TO TODAY, FROM MY
[00:13:18] DISTRICT OFFICE, WE JUST CLOSED
[00:13:19] OUR 15,000TH CONSTITUENT
[00:13:25] SERVICES CASE. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY WE WORK EVERY DAY TO HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS DEAL WITH EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, A
[00:13:29] MISSING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK TO HELPING THEM WITH THEIR
[00:13:32] IMMIGRATION MATTERS.
[00:13:36] THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH
[00:13:38] THE ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE WE LITERALLY HAVE TO TALK TO THE
[00:13:42] STATE DEPARTMENT OVER THE USCIS
[00:13:44] OR ANY AGENCY EVERY DAY AND TRY TO RESOLVE THESE MATTERS.
[00:13:49] THAT'S LIKE A BIPARTISANSHIP IN ACTION ON A DAILY BASIS.
[00:13:53] GETTING THINGS DONE. I THINK WHERE THINGS GET REALLY TRICKY IS WE ARE IN A MOMENT
[00:13:58] WHERE THERE IS INCREDIBLE
[00:14:01] POLITICAL POLARIZATION. YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT LIKES TO
[00:14:05] GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AS YOU KNOW,
[00:14:08] AND I GET A CALLS EVERY DAY
[00:14:10] ABOUT THOSE TWEETS OR THOSE
[00:14:12] TRUTH SOCIALS AND SO FORTH.
[00:14:16] AND THEN PEOPLE GET REALLY
[00:14:19] RILED UP AND IT BECOMES MORE
[00:14:21] CHALLENGING TO KIND OF OUTWARDLY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER SOMETIMES.
[00:14:25] BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUENTS WANT. THEY WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.
[00:14:31] SO, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE CHINA COMMITTEE, I'M REALLY PROUD OF
[00:14:35] WORK WITH A LOT OF MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ON LEGISLATION THAT
[00:14:38] HELPS PROTECT OUR COUNTRY AND 20
[00:14:40] WHEN THE STRATEGIC COMPETITION WITH CHINA.
[00:14:42] BUT THAT'S, I THINK, SOMETHING
[00:14:46] THAT WE HAVE TO STRIVE TO DO EVEN MORE OF AT THIS POINT.
[00:14:49] DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, DO
[00:14:53] YOU AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR COLLEAGUE JUST SAID THERE? REP. SESSIONS: AS A MATTER FACT I DO. WE HAVE MUCH THAT IS VERY
[00:14:57] IMPORTANT TO AMERICA THAT IS
[00:15:02] STANDING -- IT STANDING IN THE WORLDS, ITS FINANCIAL INTEGRITY, DIRECTLY TO THE POINT OF THERE
[00:15:05] ARE LOTS OF MATTERS THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS WAY.
[00:15:10] SO I THINK HIS POINT WAS WELL MADE.
[00:15:12] WE DO TALK WITH EACH OTHER.
[00:15:15] WE DO HAVE FRIENDSHIPS. WE DO HAVE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THESE THINGS. DASHA: YOU GO TO THE GYM
[00:15:19] TOGETHER. REP. SESSIONS: THAT WE DO BUT I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP
[00:15:24] WITH MY RANKING MEMBER, MR. MFUME, WHO IS FROM MARYLAND.
[00:15:28] AND WE WORK WELL TOGETHER AND I
[00:15:32] TALK WITH HIM LITERALLY ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
[00:15:35] WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHY WE ARE DOING, I ASK HIS OPINION.
[00:15:39] AND HE SHOWS UP WITH THE REST OF
[00:15:40] THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT OUR
[00:15:43] DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS AND THEY ASK PERTINENT, TOUGH QUESTIONS.
[00:15:47] AND SO, I THINK THAT IT DEPENDS UPON THE SUBJECT AND WHETHER WE
[00:15:50] HAVE PEOPLE FROM BACK HOME
[00:15:52] THROWING BOMBS INTO US, MAKING
[00:15:57] IT MORE DIFFICULT. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING
[00:16:00] HERE TODAY IS WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK ON MUCH MORE TOGETHER.
[00:16:04] DASHA: LET ME ASK ABOUT ONE OF
[00:16:08] THE TOPICS THAT IS CRITICAL TO
[00:16:11] BOTH FOLKS HERE DOMESTICALLY AND
[00:16:13] TO THE UNITED STATES' STANDING ABROAD. AND THAT, OF COURSE, IS THE
[00:16:17] CONFLICT WITH IRAN, AND A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHERE THIS IS HEADED.
[00:16:21] HOW MUCH SAY SHOULD CONGRESS
[00:16:26] HAVE OVER HOW THESE OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED AND THE CONTOURS OF A POTENTIAL PEACE DEAL?
[00:16:31] CONGRESSMAN KRISHNAMOORTHI? REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: WELL, THE CONGRESS IS THE ULTIMATE
[00:16:34] POWER TO DECLARE WAR. I DO NOT CARE IF IT IS
[00:16:37] REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC
[00:16:39] PRESIDENT, THE CONGRESS HAS TO
[00:16:44] BE CONSULTED, BECAUSE THE CONGRESS EMBODIES THE WILL OF
[00:16:46] THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[00:16:49] IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE
[00:16:51] THERE HAVE BEEN NO DIFFERENT WAR
[00:16:53] POWERS RESOLUTIONS THAT HAVE
[00:16:56] COME BEFORE US, INCLUDING A
[00:16:58] COUPLE THAT HAVE PASSED ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS.
[00:17:02] BASICALLY MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU NEED TO COME
[00:17:04] TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IF YOU WISH TO DEPLOY OUR TROOPS IN
[00:17:08] HARM'S WAY. MAKE YOUR CASE.
[00:17:11] AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, THEN COME TO THE
[00:17:15] AMERICAN PEOPLE, COME TO CONGRESS AND HAVE A VOTE.
[00:17:18] BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS
[00:17:20] INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
[00:17:22] THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THE CURRENT
[00:17:25] HOSTILITIES ARE ILLEGAL. BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THAT WAY.
[00:17:29] ARTICLE ONE, AS PETE ALLUDED TO,
[00:17:32] HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED IN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER. DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, WHAT THE CONGRESSMAN OUTLINED
[00:17:37] THERE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE
[00:17:39] HAPPENING IN THE CASE OF THIS SORT OF CONFLICT, IT IS SIMPLY NOT.
[00:17:43] WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION?
[00:17:46] REP. SESSIONS: WELL, I FIRST
[00:17:50] -- THE FIRST THING I SAY IS I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE
[00:17:53] WORD ILLEGAL. UNTIL WE GOT TO THE 60 DAYS, I
[00:17:57] DON'T THINK THERE WAS A LEGAL
[00:18:01] REQUIREMENT FOR THE PRESIDENT. WE'VE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
[00:18:05] THE PRESIDENT HAS EXTRAORDINARY POWERS. NOT JUST TO PROTECT THE UNITED
[00:18:08] STATES, BUT TO ENGAGE IN CONFLICT.
[00:18:11] BUT AT THE 60 DAY MARK THERE
[00:18:14] APPEARS TO BE A VERY CLEARLY --
[00:18:18] IT APPEARS TO BE VERY CLEAR TO ME, THE LONGER CONGRESS WOULD
[00:18:21] HAVE A SAY, YES OR NO. AND MY POINT MIGHT BE THAT THIS,
[00:18:28] -- THIS CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE IRANIANS IS UNLIKE ANY THAT I THINK ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR ANY PERSON IN WASHINGTON
[00:18:32] WOULD'VE THOUGHT WOULD'VE COME TO WHERE IT IS. AND THAT IS THE IRANIANS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE.
[00:18:35] THERE IS NO GIVING.
[00:18:38] IT IS TOTAL THAT THEY WANT TO
[00:18:42] HAVE CONTROL. THAT THEY ARE GOING TO STAND BY THEIR MEANS.
[00:18:45] AND THEY HAVE FAR MORE ABILITIES THAN I THINK WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS.
[00:18:49] DASHA: DO YOU THINK A PEACE DEAL
[00:18:51] AT -- PEACE DEAL IS POSSIBLE
[00:18:56] AT ALL AT THIS POINT? REP. SESSIONS: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW AND THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS THE
[00:19:00] OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT HE
[00:19:04] CONSULTS WITH CONGRESS. AND I HAVE SEEN RIGHT OUTSIDE MY
[00:19:06] DOOR IN RAYBURN DAYS WHERE BOTH
[00:19:09] SIDES ARE IN AT THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.
[00:19:12] BOTH SIDES ARE IN RECEIVING
[00:19:14] DATA, RECEIVING INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CURRENT
[00:19:18] STATUS. DO I THINK PEACE IS POSSIBLE?
[00:19:21] I THINK THAT RESOLUTION, WHETHER IT IS THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT
[00:19:25] WOULD HAPPEN OR NOT, IS MAYBE
[00:19:30] HEADED THAT DIRECTION TODAY. I THINK THE IRANIAN ECONOMY IS IN TROUBLE.
[00:19:34] I THINK THEY GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE
[00:19:37] VOTES ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO PROVIDE
[00:19:41] THE PRESIDENT THE MILITARY --
[00:19:43] THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PROTECT THEM.
[00:19:46] THE PLANE ABOUT WINNING THE WAR I THINK IS AN OLD IDEA -- THE
[00:19:51] PLAN ABOUT WINNING THE WAR I THINK IS AN OLD IDEA. DASHA: ON TOP OF THAT YOU HAVE
[00:19:54] THE STOCKPILES ISSUE. LOOK AT THE HEADLINE FROM REUTERS SAYING THE U.S. HAS USED VIRTUALLY ALL OF HIS LONG-RANGE PRECISION MISSILES DURING THE
[00:19:58] IRAN WAR.
[00:20:02] CONGRESSMAN KRISHNAMOORTHI, HOW
[00:20:06] BIG OF A CONCERN IS THIS?
[00:20:14] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: IT IS HUGE BECAUSE REPORTS ARE THAT WE ARE VIRTUALLY OUT OF ATTACK-EMS
[00:20:17] WHICH ARE LONG-RANGE PRECISION FIRES. WE DEPLETED OUR STOCK OF PATRIOT
[00:20:20] AND SM-3 INTERCEPTORS, AND ALSO OUR THAD INTERCEPTOR MISSILES AS
[00:20:24] WELL.
[00:20:37] NOT TO MENTION TOMAHAWKS ARE AT
[00:20:38] A VERY LOW LEVEL.
[00:20:42] THE REASON WHY I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AS A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IS
[00:20:46] BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OUR STRENGTH COMES FROM OUR ABILITY TO DETER OUR ADVERSARIES. AND THAT DETERRENCE STEMS FROM OUR UNIT MUNITIONS STOCKPILES.
[00:20:50] AND THE CHINESE IN PARTICULAR, THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS MEASURING OUR
[00:20:54] MAGAZINE DEPTH EVERY DAY. AND I AM CONCERNED THAT WHEN OUR DETERRENCE GOES DOWN, WE INVITE
[00:20:57] AGGRESSION BY OUR ADVERSARIES
[00:21:00] WHICH COULD SLIDE INTO CONFLICT. WHETHER IT IS IN EUROPE OR
[00:21:04] WHETHER IT IS IN THE INTO PACIFIC THEATER.
[00:21:07] AND THIS IS A GRAVE PROBLEM IN
[00:21:09] MY OPINION. DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, DO
[00:21:13] YOU AGREE? REP. SESSIONS: OF COURSE I AGREE.
[00:21:17] BUT THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, OK, WHICH SIDE WILL BE AT THE
[00:21:20] TABLE TO DECIDE WHEN WE VOTE TO
[00:21:23] AT LEAST MAINFRAME FROM EITHER
[00:21:27] USING MORE.
[00:21:34] BACKFILLING, THAT TAKES MONEY. THAT TAKES A VOTE ON THE FLOOR.
[00:21:37] ONCE AGAIN, POLITICS COMES INTO PLAY THERE, TOO. BUT I THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO
[00:21:41] TAKE ALL OF WHAT WE CALL FOUR CORNERS OF GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE HOUSE, THE SENATE,
[00:21:44] REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, TO SAY, HERE IS THE AGREEMENT ON
[00:21:47] WHAT THE UNITED STATES NEEDS NOW TO SUPPORT OUR MILITARY.
[00:21:51] AND THEN THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
[00:21:56] THEN GOING TO HAVE TO SAY OK, , HERE IS HOW I WOULD USE
[00:21:59] WHAT YOU GIVE ME. BUT I THINK TO LEAVE US DEFENSELESS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE
[00:22:02] REPUBLICANS AND CERTAINLY NOT
[00:22:05] GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATS. BECAUSE IT JUST DIVIDES US
[00:22:10] FURTHER WITH SUPPORTING AMERICA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TOGETHER.
[00:22:14] I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT'S TIME TO DO IT. DASHA: CONGRESSMAN
[00:22:17] KRISHNAMOORTHI, YOU MENTIONED CHINA.
[00:22:21] LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA DIRECTLY BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU AGREE THE CHALLENGES THAT THE COUNTRY
[00:22:24] POSES BOTH ECONOMICALLY,
[00:22:26] STRATEGICALLY. A.I. CANNOT BE IGNORED IN THE
[00:22:29] CONVERSATION HERE.
[00:22:31] TAKE A LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE
[00:22:35] FROM BLOOMBERG SAYING, CHINA'S A.I. BLITZ CREATES A
[00:22:38] DEBT SOMEONE WRITING A FLURRY FROM MODELS FROM CHINA SECTOR IS RAPIDLY NARROWING THE GAP WITH
[00:22:42] SILICON VALLEY AND CREATING WHAT
[00:22:43] HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS A DEATH
[00:22:47] ZONE FOR ANYONE WITHOUT FRONTIER
[00:22:51] -PUSHING TECHNOLOGY OR MARKET-BREAKING PRICING.
[00:22:53] CONGRESSMAN KRISHNAMOORTHI, YOU
[00:22:57] ARE ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND CHINA COMPETITION COMMITTEE. IS THE U.S. FALLING BEHIND CHINA IN A.I.?
[00:23:01] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK WE HAVE A LEAD BUT IT IS
[00:23:04] DIMINISHING.
[00:23:08] NOW PART OF THE REASON WHY IT IS
[00:23:10] DIMINISHING IS CERTAINLY BECAUSE
[00:23:12] THE CCP HAS INVESTED BILLIONS
[00:23:15] AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO
[00:23:19] FUNDAMENTAL AI TECHNOLOGY, AND
[00:23:23] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO, BY THE WAY, AT THE FEDERAL
[00:23:26] LEVEL, WHICH I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
[00:23:30] ANOTHER REASON IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE EMPLOYED THE TECHNIQUE OF
[00:23:33] WHAT IS CALLED DISTILLATION OF
[00:23:36] OUR AI MODELS. SOME PEOPLE CALL IT INDUSTRIAL
[00:23:40] SCALE INTELLECTUAL-PROPERTY THEFT OF OUR AI MODELS.
[00:23:43] AND SO, WE HAVE TO POLICE AGAINST THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
[00:23:48] BUT THE BIGGER -- BIGGEST
[00:23:50] CONCERN TO ME IS THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN AN EDGE WITH REGARD TO
[00:23:54] AI AND TECHNOLOGIES OF THE FUTURE WRIT LARGE.
[00:23:58] WHETHER IT IS QUANTUM, WHETHER
[00:23:59] IT IS ROBOTICS, WHETHER IT IS
[00:24:02] NANOSCALE TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE TO BE IN THE LEAD.
[00:24:04] AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE THE BEST VERSION OF OURSELVES.
[00:24:08] WE HAVE TO INVEST IN THOSE
[00:24:09] FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES, EVEN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
[00:24:14] WE HAVE TO PRACTICE THE HIGH STATE OF SECURITY IN SECURING
[00:24:18] OUR TECHNOLOGIES AND WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN DOING SO.
[00:24:20] AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TO FIX OUR LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
[00:24:24] THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR LEADING
[00:24:27] SCIENTISTS, INNOVATORS, AND TECHNOLOGISTS, EVEN IN THE AI SPACE, COME FROM ABROAD.
[00:24:32] THEY ARE JUST LIKE ME. I AM AN IMMIGRANT MYSELF.
[00:24:35] I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE
[00:24:39] CONTINUE TO RETAIN AND ATTRACT THE BEST TALENT FROM AROUND THE WORLD. I'M CONCERNED RIGHT NOW WE ARE
[00:24:42] LOSING THAT TALENT, AND IF WE
[00:24:47] LOSE IT THEN WE ABSOLUTELY WILL LOSE NOT ONLY THE AI RACE BUT EVERY OTHER RACE FOR TECHNOLOGY
[00:24:51] OF THE FUTURE. DASHA: YOU ARE BOTH IN YOUR
[00:24:55] DISTRICTS NOW NO DOUBT HEARING FROM YOUR COMMUNITIES ON THE GROUND.
[00:24:58] WE KNOW WITH THE MIDTERMS APPROACHING AFFORDABILITY IS ON
[00:25:02] A LOT OF FOLKS' MINDS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS REPORTING FROM NOTICE THIS WEEK. THE KEY ECONOMIC WARNING SIGN
[00:25:05] THAT COULD UP AND THE MIDTERMS.
[00:25:09] -- COULD UP IN THE MIDTERMS.
[00:25:11] -- UP TO THE MIDTERMS.
[00:25:14] OVER THE PAST WEEK THE BOND MARKET HAS LOOKED MORE THAN A LITTLE QUEASY.
[00:25:18] THE DETERIORATION OF OUR GHIBLI THE MOST CRITICAL FINANCIAL ASSET IN THE WORLD NOW RISKS RIPPLING THROUGH THE BROADER
[00:25:22] U.S. ECONOMY IN DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE WAYS -- AND POSSIBLY RIGHT BEFORE THE 2026 MIDTERM ELECTIONS."
[00:25:25] CONGRESS WAS SESSIONS, YOU ARE
[00:25:26] THE FORMER GOP CAMPAIGN CHAIR.
[00:25:31] ARE REPUBLICANS ON SHAKY
[00:25:35] GROUND HERE HEADING INTO NOVEMBER? REP. SESSIONS: ANY TIME GASOLINE IS THAT IN TEXAS AT $4.00 AND
[00:25:40] ABOVE, THE PARTY THAT IS IN POWER IS GOING TO SUFFER.
[00:25:45] SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
[00:25:48] YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL ECONOMY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY
[00:25:53] TO CREATE JOBS AND HAVE STABLE MARKETPLACES.
[00:25:55] I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND
[00:25:59] MORE WORRIED ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO KEEP CREATING JOBS AND TO
[00:26:03] STAY UP WITH THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
[00:26:06] THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WORKING IN
[00:26:10] THE UNITED STATES THAN EVER
[00:26:10] BEFORE, BUT ALSO A POINT THAT
[00:26:17] CAN BE MADE, THERE ARE 7 MILLION JOBS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO WORK.
[00:26:23] SO WE HAVE THE BEST OF ONE SIDE,
[00:26:26] AND YET OUR ECONOMY IS LARGER AND WE NEED MORE WORKERS.
[00:26:29] I THINK THESE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID.
[00:26:32] THEY NEED TO BE SAID.
[00:26:33] WE NEED TO MOVE PEOPLE, WHICH IS
[00:26:37] AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION FOR SOME OF US PERHAPS POLITICALLY.
[00:26:41] MOVE PEOPLE OFF THE GOVERNMENT FOOD STAMPS AND OTHER THINGS AND MOVE THEM INTO WORK.
[00:26:45] AND YET THESE ARE SEEMINGLY
[00:26:49] DIFFICULT POSITIONS FOR THE PARTIES.
[00:26:53] EASY FOR REPUBLICANS TO SAY WE OUGHT TO GO TO WORK.
[00:26:56] DIFFICULT FOR DEMOCRATS
[00:26:58] NECESSARILY TO SAY, LET'S GO GET
[00:27:00] WORK DONE AND DON'T MAKE AS MUCH
[00:27:04] BUT HAVE AN UNDERPINNING OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE THAT WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE.
[00:27:11] DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, I WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WITH SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON IN ARIZONA
[00:27:14] WHERE HE IS STUMPING FOR CANDIDATES IN TWO CRITICAL HOUSE
[00:27:18] RACES THERE. HE HAS A PRETTY RELENTLESSLY
[00:27:22] POSITIVE OUTLOOK ON REPUBLICANS RETAINING THE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER.
[00:27:26] HE CALLED HIMSELF THE AMBASSADOR OF HOPE BECAUSE HE'S POINTING TO THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF HIS
[00:27:30] CAUCUS, BUT I WONDER HOW YOU SEE
[00:27:35] IT, THE REALITY THAT YOU ARE
[00:27:37] SEEING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.
[00:27:40] HOW SIGNIFICANT ARE THE HEADWINDS FOR REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW?
[00:27:46] REP. SESSIONS: BACK IN 2010, WHEN I WAS THE CHAIRMAN, WE WERE
[00:27:48] BADLY OUTSPENT AND YET WE WON
[00:27:50] NET 63 SEATS.
[00:27:55] WE TOOK THE MAJORITY AND GAINED AN EXTRA 23 SEATS IN THE MAJORITY.
[00:27:59] THERE ARE THESE KINDS OF CHANGES
[00:28:01] THAT DO HAPPEN, AND YOU CAN SEE
[00:28:04] IN POLLING, AND YOU CAN SEE IN
[00:28:08] PEOPLE, HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
[00:28:11] I THINK MIKE IS VERY AWARE OF THESE THINGS, THE SPEAKER.
[00:28:17] HE HAS CERTAINLY FOR A LONG TIME TAKING HIS OWN PERSONAL
[00:28:21] VIEWPOINT OF THIS. AND THAT IS HE BELIEVES WE WILL WIN.
[00:28:24] I ALWAYS TOOK THE PERSPECTIVE WE COULD WIN IF WE DO THE RIGHT
[00:28:28] THINGS. AND I LAID OUT TO MY PARTY AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I
[00:28:32] FELT LIKE THOSE THINGS ARE.
[00:28:35] I THINK IF YOU WANT TO ENTER THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I WOULD
[00:28:38] SAY, WE ARE GOING TO RUN AGAINST SOCIALISM.
[00:28:44] THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THEIR DECISION TO MOVE COMPLETELY LEFT
[00:28:47] WHICH WOULD MOVE AMERICA AWAY FROM GAINING A STRENGTH OF
[00:28:52] ECONOMICS, MOVING FORWARD FOR A
[00:28:55] BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR FAMILIES, AND, PERHAPS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM
[00:28:58] THEY'VE GOT, MOVING US TO WHERE
[00:29:01] WE ARE SOCIALISTS. I THINK THAT'S A WINNING ISSUE
[00:29:05] FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I AM LIKE SPEAKER JOHNSON.
[00:29:08] I BELIEVE WE CAN AND WE WILL WIN THIS.
[00:29:10] BUT THE RACE IS GOING TO HAVE TO
[00:29:13] START, AND THAT'S WHAT LABOR DAY AND AFTER IS ABOUT. DASHA: CONGRESSMAN
[00:29:17] KRISHNAMOORTHI, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO CIVILLY AND IN THE SPIRIT
[00:29:21] OF "CEASEFIRE" RESPOND TO WHAT YOU HEARD FROM CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS. I IMAGINE THAT YOU DISAGREE BUT
[00:29:25] HOW DO YOU THINK THE VICTORY OF
[00:29:29] CANDIDATES LIKE ABDUL EL-SAYED
[00:29:32] IN MICHIGAN AND THE ATTACK LINES THAT DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HEAR
[00:29:35] FROM REPUBLICANS ON THE
[00:29:37] INSURGENT LEFT FLANK OF THE PARTY.
[00:29:41] HOW DO YOU THINK THAT IS ALL PLAYING OUT FOR YOUR PARTY COME
[00:29:44] NOVEMBER?
[00:29:48] REP. KRISHNAMOORTHI: I THINK WHAT I SEE IS THAT THE
[00:29:51] PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATINGS AT
[00:29:54] 35%.
[00:29:58] PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET ABOUT THE
[00:29:59] PRICE OF GAS, SO UPSET ABOUT THE
[00:30:05] BEST OF HEALTH CARE, AND HOUSING, AND EDUCATION, LIVING
[00:30:08] ALONE MAKING SURE THAT THEY STAY EMPLOYED. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS
[00:30:11] GOING ON WITH TARIFFS.
[00:30:14] THERE IS CHAOS IN TARIFFS. AND OF COURSE THE IRAN WAR.
[00:30:18] THEY BELIEVE WE ARE NOW IN
[00:30:21] ANOTHER FOREVER WAR, A QUAGMIRE, WHICH OF THE PRESIDENT PROMISED
[00:30:24] WE WOULD NOT GET INTO. AND SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT,
[00:30:28] THEY ARE LIKE, WE WANT A CHANGE.
[00:30:31] I'M HEARING MORE AND MORE FROM DEMOCRATS, AS WELL AS
[00:30:35] REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PRESIDENT, SAYING THAT, LOOK, WE'VE GOT TO GO A DIFFERENT
[00:30:39] DIRECTION AT THIS POINT, AND
[00:30:41] THAT'S WHY I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT HAKEEM JEFFRIES WILL BECOME
[00:30:45] THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
[00:30:48] AND THEY WANT, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE I TALKED
[00:30:51] TO, WANT TO HAVE A CHECK ON WHAT THEY FEEL IS EXCESS EXECUTIVE
[00:30:54] AUTHORITY AND AN OVEREMPHASIS ON
[00:30:58] THE PRIORITIES THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT.
[00:31:00] SUCH AS AN ARCH BEING ERECTED IN
[00:31:06] THE PRESIDENT'S HONOR, OR THE
[00:31:08] PRESIDENT'S FACE BEING PUT ON
[00:31:11] MONEY, OR, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON
[00:31:14] RENOVATING THE REFLECTING POOL. THEY DON'T WANT -- THEY DON'T
[00:31:18] WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT STUFF ANYMORE. THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF
[00:31:22] THEIR PRIORITIES.
[00:31:22] DASHA: CONGRESSMAN SESSIONS, CAN
[00:31:26] YOU ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THE IRAN WAR AND ITS DOMESTIC IMPACTS?
[00:31:31] YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT PRICES OVER $4.00 A GALLON IN TEXAS ARE
[00:31:33] OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE PRACTICALLY AND
[00:31:36] POLITICALLY FOR REPUBLICANS.
[00:31:43] BUT DO YOU THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE ENOUGH, AND
[00:31:45] WHAT MAYBE MORE DO YOU WANT TO
[00:31:48] SEE FROM HIM IN EXPLAINING WHAT
[00:31:50] HE'S DOING OVERSEAS AND EMPATHIZING WITH VOTERS ABOUT
[00:31:54] HOW IT'S IMPACTING THEM HERE AT HOME? REP. SESSIONS: WELL, I WOULD
[00:31:57] TEND TO WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO HEAR LESS FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS AND MORE
[00:32:01] ABOUT THE REALITY OF THE
[00:32:03] DIRECTION WE REALLY WANT TO GO.
[00:32:05] I THINK THE PRESIDENT GIVES A DAILY UPDATE ABOUT THE WAR.
[00:32:08] I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN WHERE WE WERE AT NINE OR 10 STRAIGHT
[00:32:12] DAYS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE IRANIANS BACK TO THE TABLE.
[00:32:16] THAT WAS BASED UPON OUR FRIENDS
[00:32:19] IN PAKISTAN AND ELSEWHERE TRYING
[00:32:21] TO GET US TO WORK.
[00:32:24] THERE WAS A TERM, YOU KNOW, A
[00:32:27] COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.
[00:32:31] WELL, THE IRANIANS DON'T WANT THAT.
[00:32:34] THE IRANIANS WANT SOMETHING
[00:32:38] ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
[00:32:41] AND THAT'S WHY EVERY TIME YOU HEAR THE PRESIDENT SAY ONE THING, WHICH I THINK IS VERY TRUTHFUL FROM THE
[00:32:45] PAKISTANI AND OTHER SAUDIS IN THE REGION, THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, TOO, AND THEY WANT US
[00:32:49] TO MOVE TO AN AGREEMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IN THE
[00:32:53] SCHEME OF THINGS THAT IS WHERE IT WILL HEAD. AND SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO
[00:32:56] INTO SOME BIT OF A SILENCE, GET
[00:33:00] PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, LET'S CUT A
[00:33:02] DEAL, LET'S QUIT TALKING ABOUT WHO'S DOING WHAT AND GET OUR
[00:33:06] LEADERS FROM SAUDI ARABIA,
[00:33:08] PAKISTAN, TURKEY, AND OTHER
[00:33:12] PLACES TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO COME TO A DEAL.
[00:33:16] AND THEN YOU HAVE LARGE GROUPS
[00:33:18] OF PEOPLE, OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT ARE PLACING THEIR PRESTIGE DONE
[00:33:23] ON ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER, BUT ABOUT ENDING THE WAR AND MAKING
[00:33:26] IT A JUST AND LASTING PEACE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
[00:33:30] THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. DASHA: THAT'S ENOUGH TALKING FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT IT.
[00:33:34] WE ARE AT ENOUGH TALKING FROM US
[00:33:39] -- WE ARE AT A TIME, SO THAT'S ENOUGH TALKING FROM US HERE, TOO. DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN RAJA
[00:33:42] KRISHNAMOORTHI AND TEXAS REVOKING CONGRESSMAN PETE SESSIONS, THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH.
[00:33:46] >> THANK YOU BOTH. >> YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE ARE NOT RUNNING FOR ME. MY NUMBERS AND FUNDRAISING ARE STRONG.
[00:33:50] SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON, EVERYONE ELSE, THEY ARE STANDING BEHIND ME. NOBODY HAS TOLD ME TO GET OFF
[00:33:54] THE BALLOT. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW I CAN WIN.
[00:33:58] >> I HAVE BEEN INTELLECTUALLY CONSISTENT, SINCE BEFORE I BECAME SPEAKER AND CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
[00:34:02] THIS APPLIES EQUALLY TO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. WE DON'T TAKE DISCIPLINARY
[00:34:06] ACTION AGAINST MEMBERS FOR ALLEGATIONS.
[00:34:09] HE IS VEHEMENTLY DENYING THIS.
[00:34:12] IT IS IN HIS OWN WORDS A NASTY DIVORCE PROCEEDING AND IT'S GOTTEN UGLY AND PUBLIC
[00:34:17] BUT HE'S SAYING THE SAME THINGS PRIVATELY THAT HE IS PUBLICLY THAT HE DENIES ALL THIS.
[00:34:21] HE THINKS IT'S A AHIT JOB. DASHA: WILL YOU TELL HIM TO
[00:34:23] DROP OUT?
[00:34:26] REP. JOHNSON: NO. THESE ARE TEARS ALLEGATIONS. I'M A FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS
[00:34:30] THAT WORK ON CAPITOL HILL. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE SERIOUS.
[00:34:34] I THINK MAX IS TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY. I THINK OUR COLLEAGUES ARE.
[00:34:38] AGAIN, WE HAVE TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO PLAY OUT. IT'S JUST BEGUN.
[00:34:41] DASHA: THAT WAS REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MAX MILLER, WHO
[00:34:44] IS BEEN UNDER FIRE OVER ABUSE ALLEGATIONS, AND SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON WEIGHING IN.
[00:34:47] TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND OTHER
[00:34:52] LOCAL STORIES, I AM JOINED BY TWO PROS.
[00:34:55] DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST MICHAEL HARDAWAY AND FORMER
[00:35:00] COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR AND SENIOR ADVISOR FOR THEN-HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS CHAIR HAKEEM
[00:35:05] JEFFRIES, AND REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST JOHN FEEHERY, PRESS SECRETARY FOR FORMER REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER DENNIS HASTERT.
[00:35:08] THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
[00:35:09] I APPRECIATE IT.
[00:35:12] LET'S GET INTO WHAT WE JUST SAW THERE.
[00:35:14] THIS HAS BEEN A VERY HOT TOPIC THIS WEEK.
[00:35:17] OF COURSE, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE INCREDIBLY SERIOUS AND MAX
[00:35:21] MILLER SAYS HE'S NOT BACKING DOWN.
[00:35:25] HE'S BEEN VERY MUCH OUT THERE.
[00:35:27] DOING A REAL MEDIA BLITZ IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS.
[00:35:30] WHAT DO YOU MAKE STRATEGICALLY OF HOW HE IS HANDLING THE SITUATION?
[00:35:33] >> WELL, I THOUGHT THE CNN
[00:35:37] INTERVIEW WAS A BIT OF A DISASTER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
[00:35:42] HE'S TRYING TO FIGHT BACK, OBVIOUSLY.
[00:35:44] THIS IS A VERY, VERY TOUGH DIVORCE. AND WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED IN
[00:35:47] DIVORCE BATTLES YOU REALLY KIND
[00:35:52] OF, AS A POLITICIAN, WANT TO STAY OUT OF IT.
[00:35:55] FOR MIKE JOHNSON, THE POLITICAL CALCULATION IS, IS HE GOING TO LOSE HIS SEAT?
[00:35:59] IF HE'S GOING TO LOSE THIS SEAT BECAUSE OF A NASTY DIVORCE AND THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TERRIBLE, TOO, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO
[00:36:03] GET THEM OUT OF THERE.
[00:36:07] YOU SAW IT EARLIER THIS WEEK --
[00:36:10] OR LAST WEEK -- CHUCK EDWARDS WAS ASKED TO QUIT BECAUSE HE HAD
[00:36:14] SOME OTHER ALLEGATIONS. DASHA: EDWARDS STEP DOWN.
[00:36:21] JOHNSON ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH HIM AND ENCOURAGED HIM TO DO THE
[00:36:23] RIGHT THING -- AS ONE SOURCE TOLD ME.
[00:36:26] YET FOR JOHNSON, FOR LEADERSHIP
[00:36:29] IN THESE POSITIONS, HOW DO YOU
[00:36:32] -- HOW DO YOU THINK HE IS HANDLING THIS? IS HE DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE?
[00:36:36] >> I THINK HE'S HANDLING IT AS
[00:36:40] WELL AS HE COULD. BERNIE MORENO, THE SENATOR, THE
[00:36:42] FATHER IN LAW, ONLY RECENTLY GOT
[00:36:46] ENGAGED WITH THIS PUBLICLY HIMSELF. THIS IS REALLY NASTY.
[00:36:49] DASHA: THIS ALLEGATIONS FROM HIS
[00:36:54] WIFE INCLUDE HOLDING A GUN TO HER HEAD POURING HOT , WATER ON HER, BREAKING THEIR
[00:36:59] DAUGHTER'S COLLARBONE. >> THESE ARE TERRIBLE OBLIGATIONS AND HE DENIES THEM.
[00:37:02] IF YOU ARE MIKE JOHNSON AND YOU HAVE A MEMBER WHO IS VEHEMENTLY DENYING THESE TERRIBLE
[00:37:05] ALLEGATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU TYPICALLY WANT TO GO TO THE
[00:37:09] ETHICS COMMITTEE FIRST TO HAVE THEM LOOK INTO IT.
[00:37:13] AND THEN YOU KIND OF RELY ON WHAT THE ACTUAL POLITICAL -- AT
[00:37:16] POLICE AUTHORITIES ARE SAYING --
[00:37:18] BEFORE YOU COME IN THERE.
[00:37:21] NOW, THERE IS THAT LEGAL STUFF
[00:37:23] YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN THERE IS THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS.
[00:37:28] IF HE'S GOING TO LOSE THE SEAT, YOU SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF THERE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO
[00:37:31] LOSE THE SEAT. IT'S REALLY BAD. THESE ARE THE THINGS MIKE
[00:37:34] JOHNSON IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
[00:37:35] DASHA: TIME HAS BASICALLY ALMOST
[00:37:39] RUN OUT FOR MILLER TO DROP OUT AND HE'S SAYING HE'S STAYING IN.
[00:37:43] WHAT DO DEMOCRATS SEE GOING ON HERE, AND IS THIS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY?
[00:37:46] >> I THINK IT IS, BUT I DON'T
[00:37:51] THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD WEIGH IN AND THROW GASOLINE ON THE FIRE IN TERMS OF
[00:37:55] THE DOMESTIC SITUATION. HE HAS BEEN ALLEGEDLY -- SAYING
[00:37:59] AN ALLEGATION IS NOT A CONVICTION ABOUT THE POLITICAL ARENA IS NOT A COURTHOUSE.
[00:38:02] HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CONVICTED
[00:38:05] TO BE SOMEONE WHO SHOULDN'T BE HOLDING THE SEAT OR RUNNING THIS CAMPAIGN.
[00:38:08] DEMOCRATS SHOULD AGGRESSIVELY POUR MONEY INTO THIS BUT FOCUS ON THE SUBSTANCE AND THE IDEA THAT THE ECONOMY IS
[00:38:12] IN BAD SHAPE.
[00:38:13] DASHA: IT'S INTERESTING.
[00:38:16] HIS DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ALL. >> I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING
[00:38:19] TO DO. AT THE END OF THAT, THE VOTER
[00:38:22] CARES ABOUT ONE THING FOR US --
[00:38:26] -- ONE THING FIRST. THEMSELVES. WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR ME? THE ECONOMY IS IN BAD SHAPE. WHAT YOU DOING TO FIX IT, HOW DO
[00:38:30] YOU BRING DOWN PRICES? FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE SEAT. NOT THROW GASOLINE ON THIS UGLY
[00:38:33] DIVORCE PROCEEDING.
[00:38:35] DASHA: THE MOST INTERESTING
[00:38:39] PARTS OF MILLER'S RESPONSE TO ME IS HOW HE'S INVOKING THE TRUMP MODEL. HE SET IT ON CNN AND HE SAID IT
[00:38:43] A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE THAT,
[00:38:46] YOU KNOW, HE'S LOOKING AT 2016
[00:38:50] AND THE SCANDALS THAT
[00:38:55] THEN-CANDIDATE TRUMP WAS EMBROILED IN AND IT STILL BECAME
[00:38:58] PRESIDENT, AND HE WAS DEFIANT IN THAT CASE.
[00:39:00] AND HE IS TRYING TO, SORT OF, DO THE SAME THING.
[00:39:03] BUT ONE THING I HEAR FROM A LOT
[00:39:05] OF REPUBLICANS IS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CANDIDATES THAT THINK
[00:39:08] THEY CAN BE TRUMP TO, AND NOBODY
[00:39:12] CAN REPLICATE WHAT TRUMP HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO. >> AND, ALSO, THIS IS HIS EX-WIFE.
[00:39:16] THIS IS NOT SOME SORT OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST MAX
[00:39:18] MILLER.
[00:39:21] IT'S, LIKE, REALLY UGLY -- TO YOUR POINT, DEMOCRATS ARE STAYING OUT OF THIS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
[00:39:25] THE DEMOCRATS ARE ENGAGED IN.
[00:39:29] YOU CAN BE DEFIANT, BUT THIS IS A REALLY UGLY DIVORCE PROCEEDING
[00:39:32] SPILLING OUT ON THE PAGES. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW,
[00:39:36] IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A POLITICAL ATTACK. IS THIS GOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY FOR
[00:39:39] YOU TO STAY IN THE RACE IS I THINK THE QUESTION ANY POLITICAL
[00:39:44] CANDIDATE -- ANYONE FOR OFFICE -- IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF
[00:39:47] CONGRESS, YOU ARE NOT BEQUEATHED THIS JOB.
[00:39:51] IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE BY DIVINE RIGHT.
[00:39:53] IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT
[00:39:57] IS NOT REALLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CONGRESS AS AN
[00:40:00] INSTITUTION, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THINK, HEY, MAYBE I SHOULD STEP DOWN.
[00:40:03] DASHA: THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE MIDTERMS.
[00:40:07] I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE RACE TO HOLD THE HOUSE AND SENATE FOR
[00:40:11] REPUBLICANS AND TO TAKE IT FOR
[00:40:12] DEMOCRATS.
[00:40:16] PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS PICKED UP MORE VICTORIES THIS WEEK,
[00:40:19] SPECIFICALLY IN MICHIGAN IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WATCHING.
[00:40:23] REUTERS WRITES, "PROGRESSIVE AL SAYED WINS
[00:40:29] AND JOLTS THE DEMOCRATS. COULD INTENSIFY DEBATE WITHIN DEMOCRATIC RANKS --
[00:40:31] MICHAEL, WHAT IS THE SIGNALING
[00:40:40] ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
[00:40:42] AREFOLKS IN THE DSA CAMP AND TRY
[00:41:51] TO SAY THEY ARE REPRESENTED OF THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. HOW ARE YOU WATCHING YOUR PARTY PLAY THIS?
[00:41:55] >> WELL, I MEAN, IT IS VERY
[00:42:00] INTERESTING BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT CALLING THEMSELVES SOCIALISTS. DASHA: SOME OF THEM.
[00:42:03] >> THIS PORTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND I THINK
[00:42:07] WHETHER REPUBLICANS WILL DO, TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS WHAT THE
[00:42:10] DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED, AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF SOCIALIST.
[00:42:14] AND I THINK THE PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS IS SOCIALISM IS NOT
[00:42:16] WHAT IT USED TO BE AS A POLITICAL BOGEYMAN.
[00:42:20] AND SO, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF FLUSH IT OUT FOR PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
[00:42:24] AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES A LOT OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE PUSHING ON THE FAR LEFT.
[00:42:28] GET RID OF POLICE, GET RID OF I.C.E., MAKE SURE THAT
[00:42:32] BILLIONAIRES, UM, HAVE NO MONEY, AND IT IS GIVEN TO THE POOR.
[00:42:37] YOU KNOW, ALL THE SOCIALIST STUFF THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING. MAKE SURE YOU PUT THE MEET ON
[00:42:41] THE BONE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
[00:42:44] IN MICHIGAN IS REALLY, APEC
[00:42:48] POURED SO MUCH MONEY IN FOR STEVENS AND THIS IS A DRAMATIC
[00:42:52] DIFFERENCE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO BY A LARGE HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAEL OVER
[00:42:55] THE YEARS AND NOW HAS TAKEN A TURN AGAINST ISRAEL.
[00:42:58] I THINK THAT IS A SEA CHANGE,
[00:43:02] THAT REPUBLICANS WILL TRY TO SEIZE ON.
[00:43:03] DASHA: I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN
[00:43:06] TRAIL WITH MIKE JOHNSON AND PART
[00:43:07] OF HIS PITCH TO VOTERS IS TO
[00:43:11] CREATE THIS CONTRAST.
[00:43:12] HE SAYS, YOU'RE CHOOSING BETWEEN
[00:43:17] COMMON AND COMMUNISM. AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN.
[00:43:22] WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT SAYS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR REPUBLICANS?
[00:43:25] >> I THINK IT, IT IS EXACTLY
[00:43:28] WHAT WE PREDICTED IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE WILL BE MORE DISARRAY IN THE PARTY.
[00:43:33] THE ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN REAL TROUBLE.
[00:43:35] YOU H
[00:43:39] >> I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
[00:43:43] THE OLD-SCHOOL DEMOCRATS LEAVING THE PARTY.
[00:43:45] >> MICHAEL, YOU SAID YOU WOULD
[00:43:49] WELCOME DEMOCRATS LEAVING THE PARTY.
[00:43:53] ARE YOU HOPPING ON THAT TRAIN? >> THAT'S NONSENSE.
[00:43:57] LET'S REMEMBER SOMETHING. PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
[00:44:00] COMMUNISM MEANS OR SOCIALISM.
[00:44:03] WHAT I HAVE TOLD DEMOCRATS TO DO IS THEY SHOULD TAKE THAT FIGHT
[00:44:06] TO REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM.
[00:44:12] DONALD TRUMP HAS TAKEN STAKES IN
[00:44:13] MORE THAN 30 AMERICAN COMPANIES, PRIVATE COMPANIES.
[00:44:18] THAT IS SOCIALISM. DO NOT JUST WAIT TO BE ATTACKED IN TERMS OF THESE CANDIDATES.
[00:44:23] LET'S DEFINE THE RECORD. THE RECORD IS A SITTING
[00:44:26] PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS SOCIALIST.
[00:44:31] >> HAVE DEMOCRATS TAKING YOUR
[00:44:35] ADVICE ON THAT?
[00:44:38] >> THIS IS A RECENT CONVERSATION.
[00:44:41] THIS IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH DEMOCRATS.
[00:44:45] HOPEFULLY THAT CHANGES.
[00:44:46] >> WHAT IS INTERESTING
[00:44:50] ESPECIALLY IN THE BIGGER CITIES
[00:44:51] IS THIS INFLUX OF WHITE LIBERAL
[00:44:55] YOUNG PEOPLE SETTING THE TERMS FOR THE DEBATE.
[00:44:59] THEY ARE VOTING A LOT MORE.
[00:45:01] IT SCARES A LOT OF THEM.
[00:45:04] THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY
[00:45:07] HAVE NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR
[00:45:13] OWN LATTE BEFORE. THIS HAS A REAL TENSION IN THE
[00:45:17] DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
[00:45:19] DO I THINK AMERICAN VOTERS ARE
[00:45:22] GOING TO CALL REPUBLICANS.
[00:45:26] I DON'T THINK SO.
[00:45:27] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU THINK
[00:45:31] ABOUT THAT?
[00:45:32] >> THE CDC MORE THAN 50 YEARS
[00:45:39] AGO INTRODUCED TO MEDICARE FOR ALL. AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
[00:45:43] THESE ARE ALL CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS EFFORTS. I THINK MANY BLACK DEMOCRATS
[00:45:46] FEEL AS THOUGH THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE DECADES HAS
[00:45:50] BEEN CO-OPTED BY THIS GROUP OF YOUNG AFFLUENT WHITE PEOPLE WHO
[00:45:54] HAVE MOVED INTO URBAN CITIES. THERE IS FRICTION THERE BUT IT
[00:45:57] IS NOT NEW.
[00:45:59] THE CBC HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR DECADES.
[00:46:04] JOHN CONYERS WAS THE ORIGINAL DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
[00:46:06] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE
[00:46:10] YOUNG FOLKS WHO ARE PART OF THE
[00:46:13] DSA MOVEMENT AND CO-OPTING SOME
[00:46:16] OF WHAT THE CBC HAS DONE?
[00:46:18] >> JUMP ON THE TRAIN BUT DO NOT
[00:46:22] PRETEND AS THOUGH YOU CREATED THIS MOVEMENT.
[00:46:25] THIS IS THE CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BETWEEN BLACK DEMOCRATS
[00:46:29] AND THE DSA. THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO
[00:46:32] JOIN BUT YOU DID NOT START THIS MOVEMENT.
[00:46:35] I THINK WITH LEADER JEFFRIES AND OTHER BLACK DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
[00:46:38] SOME OF THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE.
[00:46:44] DASHA: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A
[00:46:48] POTENTIAL THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT. THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS IMAGE POSTED BY MARJORIE
[00:46:52] TAYLOR GREENE AT A COMPOUND.
[00:46:59] KENTUCKY REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN THOMAS MASSIE WAS IN ATTENDANCE.
[00:47:03] TUCKER CARLSON UNVEILED A 10 POINT MANIFESTO. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?
[00:47:06] >> PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHATEVER
[00:47:11] HAPPENED WITH TUCKER CARLSON.
[00:47:14] HE SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE GUY.
[00:47:15] DASHA: HE STILL HAS A MASSIVE
[00:47:19] FOLLOWING. CAN YOU REALLY BRUSH THAT OFF?
[00:47:20] >> I DO THINK THAT PRESENCE IN
[00:47:28] IRAN HAS LEFT A MARK WITH
[00:47:31] MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, TUCKER
[00:47:34] CARLSON AND THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG VOTERS WHO REALLY THOUGHT
[00:47:38] THAT TRUMP MEANT NO MORE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND I THINK THAT
[00:47:41] THEY ARE, I DON'T THINK THEY
[00:47:43] WILL START A DINNER PARTY. I THINK A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE.
[00:47:48] THAT IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC. TRUMP HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
[00:47:51] GET OUT OF THIS IRAN WAR WHICH
[00:47:53] IS FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE FAR RIGHT SCENE AS TREACHERY.
[00:47:58] I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO START A THIRD PARTY ESPECIALLY IN A MIDTERM
[00:48:02] ELECTION. I THINK TUCKER IS GOING TO RUN
[00:48:05] IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN 2028.
[00:48:08] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT
[00:48:12] WOULD MEAN FOR REPUBLICANS?
[00:48:15] ARE PEOPLE SCARED OR EXCITED BY THAT?
[00:48:17] >> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE SCARED BY IT.
[00:48:21] I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE EXCITED.
[00:48:23] ALSO YOU SEE JD VANCE, I DON'T
[00:48:26] KNOW IF YOU SAW HIS INTERVIEW WITH JOE ROGAN.
[00:48:30] HE EMBRACED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT TUCKER CARLSON WAS SAYING OBLIQUELY.
[00:48:34] HE HAS PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS AN ANTIWAR PERSON. IF HE DOES GET THE NOMINATION,
[00:48:38] HE WILL BE SOMEONE WHO SAYS WHAT
[00:48:41] AM I GOING TO DO WITH ANY MORE
[00:48:44] WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST? THAT SATISFIES SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE ANGRY ABOUT THIS MORE.
[00:48:47] DASHA: IF CARLSON RUNS AS A
[00:48:52] THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE, DOES THAT THREAT TO FRACTURE THE GOP?
[00:48:54] >> I THINK HE'S GOT A HUGE
[00:48:59] ONLINE PRESENCE. I DON'T THINK SO. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS
[00:49:03] ANYWAY. DASHA: FORGET MIDTERMS. I'M TALKING 2028.
[00:49:06] >> A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BARELY VOTE LIKE TUCKER CARLSON.
[00:49:10] DASHA: THAT WAS TRUMP'S ENTIRE
[00:49:14] STRATEGY TO BRING OUT THE LOW PROPENSITY VOTERS AND IT DID WORK OUT.
[00:49:17] >> IT HELPED THEM A LOT BUT I
[00:49:20] DON'T THINK IT GOT THEM OVER THE LINE. I THINK IT HELPED HIS MARGINS.
[00:49:25] THE FACT IS YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AN EFFORT BY CANDIDATES IN THE
[00:49:29] PARTY TO EMBRACE THOSE WHO ARE
[00:49:32] AFFECTED BY THIS WAR AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE JD VANCE.
[00:49:35] DASHA: MICHAEL, HOW CLOSELY ARE DEMOCRATS WATCHING THIS?
[00:49:39] >> THEY SHOULD BE POURING GASOLINE ONTO THE FIRE.
[00:49:44] THERE IS NO THING AS THE
[00:49:50] REPUBLICAN PARTY. THERE IS THE TRUMP PARTY.
[00:49:53] I WILL TAKE THE OTHER SIDE. I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE
[00:49:57] REPUBLICANS ABOUT IT AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO LEAN LARGE ON
[00:50:00] THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY HAVE SAID PRIVATELY THEY DON'T TRUST THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ANY
[00:50:04] LONGER BECAUSE TRUMP IS A PROBLEM.
[00:50:07] THEY ARE AFRAID TO CONFRONT THEM PUBLICLY ABOUT WHEN HE LEAVES, ONCE IS LEFT?
[00:50:12] WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE DOING IS POURING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
[00:50:17] INTO THIS CONVERSATION ONLINE AND ON TV CREATING A DIVIDE.
[00:50:21] I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED.
[00:50:24] IF THE ROLES WERE SWITCHED REPUBLICANS WOULD BE POURING
[00:50:27] MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS THEY SHOULD.
[00:50:31] DASHA: THIS IS THAT FIGHT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
[00:50:35] MICHAEL: ABSOLUTELY.
[00:50:38] DASHA: LET'S MOVE TO THE FIGHT ON THANKSGIVING.
[00:50:44] DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST FRANCESCA
[00:50:46] HONG IS A CANDIDATE IN THE
[00:50:52] DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY THERE. LET'S LISTEN.
[00:50:53] >> I AM A CHEF AND ONE OF THE
[00:50:57] FIRST MEALS THAT I MADE THAT WAS
[00:50:59] FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN I WAS 16
[00:51:01] WAS A THANKSGIVING MEAL.
[00:51:05] I ALWAYS THINK MY HOSPITALITY BACKGROUND AND OWNING A
[00:51:08] RESTAURANT FOR EIGHT YEARS THAT
[00:51:10] BRINGING FOLKS AROUND THE TABLE TO SHARE CONVERSATION AND BUILD COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS A GOOD
[00:51:14] THING. BUT THANKSGIVING IS ALSO A TIME
[00:51:18] THAT IS INCREDIBLY PAINFUL FOR MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
[00:51:21] I THINK THERE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT
[00:51:25] THERE WERE MULTIPLE VIEWS BUT VIEWS CAN EVOLVE.
[00:51:31] WITH MY BACKGROUND AS A CHEF, IT
[00:51:34] WILL ACTUALLY HELP ME BECOME A BETTER GOVERNOR WHO IS ABLE TO
[00:51:38] BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE.
[00:51:39] DASHA: SHE CAME TO POLITICO TO
[00:51:43] FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT.
[00:51:45] >> MY FAVORITE HOLIDAY IS
[00:51:48] THANKSGIVING. >> THERE YOU HAVE IT.
[00:51:52] >> YEP.
[00:51:56] I DON'T WANT TO CANCEL IT. I ACTUALLY LOVE IT.
[00:52:01] FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR IN-LAWS
[00:52:03] AND IT IS A BIG EVENT.
[00:52:07] I AM GOING TO BE REAL. I AM A CURMUDGEON WHEN IT COMES TO HOLIDAYS IN GENERAL.
[00:52:11] DASHA: OK, MY GOAL.
[00:52:16] STRATEGIST HAT ON. YOU ARE ADVISING DEMOCRATS.
[00:52:20] YOU HAVE IDEAS. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT CLEANUP ?
[00:52:26] MICHAEL: THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS NONSENSE.
[00:52:29] ABOUT THANKSGIVING AND WHAT SHE THINKS, ALL OF THAT IS NONSENSE
[00:52:33] AND MEANINGLESS. VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. VOTERS CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT
[00:52:36] GAS IS MORE THAN FOUR DOLLARS PER GALLON AND ELECTRICITY BILLS ARE UP.
[00:52:40] THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRATS SHOULD FOCUS ON. I WILL SAY THIS.
[00:52:44] I THINK I SAW BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT EVEN SUPPORTING THIS PERSON.
[00:52:47] DASHA: HE'S NOT. MICHAEL:
[00:52:50] I WILL SAY THIS. BY THE WAY, I THINK I SAW THE BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT SUPPORTING THIS PERSON. DASHA: HE'S NOT.
[00:52:54] >> THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. SO THIS IS AN OUTLIER. IN AN ERA OF VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS AND ISSUES WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
[00:52:59] DASHA: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THANKSGIVING? >> I TEND TO LIKE IT. SOMETIMES I EAT TOO MUCH. I LOVE WATCHING FOOTBALL AND
[00:53:02] BEING WITH THE FAMILY. I THINK THIS IS POLITICALLY, A DISASTER FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
[00:53:06] I THINK THE FACT THAT SHE IS A
[00:53:09] LEADING CANDIDATE AND WISCONSIN IS A VERY IMPORTANT STATE,
[00:53:12] ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LEADING UP TO 2028.
[00:53:14] IT IS A SWING STATE.
[00:53:22] THE OTHER THING, SHE ALSO SAID SHE'S UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND WHITE PEOPLE. WISCONSIN IS AN OVERWHELMINGLY
[00:53:25] WHITE STATE. SO, THESE ARE THE KIND OF COMMENTS THAT SHOW WERE TO BE
[00:53:28] OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM OF, UM, OF THE WISCONSIN THOUGHT. SHE IS NOT, SHE IS NOT TYPICAL
[00:53:32] WISCONSIN PROGRESSIVE.
[00:53:33] SHE IS A LEFT-WINGER WHO IS
[00:53:39] TO PLAY AS A PROGRESSIVE. THE FACT THE BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT ENDORSING HER AND YET SHE IS STILL LEADING THE PRIMER, IS A
[00:53:42] DISASTER FOR DEMOCRATS. DASHA: LET'S TRAVEL FROM THE MIDWEST TO THE SOUTH AND TALK
[00:53:45] ABOUT TAXES.
[00:53:49] -- ABOUT TEXAS. AXIOS IS SUMMING UP THE SITUATION LIKE THIS.
[00:53:53] POLLS HAVE SHOWN DEMOCRAT JAMES TALARICO NARROWLY AHEAD OF TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL KEN PAXTON IN
[00:53:56] THAT STATE'S CRUCIAL RACE FOR
[00:53:57] THE U.S. SENATE.
[00:54:01] THE LATEST RELEASED TUESDAY
[00:54:03] MORNING HAD TALARICO UP 47% TO
[00:54:08] 45%. NOT EVERYONE IS BUYING IT
[00:54:12] THOUGH. NBC REPORTS REPRESENTATIVE JASMINE CROCKETT SAID SHE SKEPTICAL HER FORMER
[00:54:17] SENATE PRIMARY RIVAL JAMES TALARICO CAN TURN TEXAS BLUE THIS FALL. I DON'T KNOW, SHE TOLD NBC NEWS,
[00:54:20] CROCKETT SAYS SHE DOES NOT BY THE GENERAL ELECTION POLLS
[00:54:22] SAYING THAT THEY OVERSTATED
[00:54:25] DEMOCRATS' PROSPECTS IN TEXAS. I WATCH MONEY AND WHEN I LOOK AT MONEY IF REPUBLICANS START SPENDING MONEY IN TEXAS AND I'LL
[00:54:29] BE CONVINCED."
[00:54:35] MICHAEL, THE WHITE WHALE OF
[00:54:37] TEXAS FOR DEMOCRATS -- IS IT A
[00:54:40] REAL POSSIBILITY? IS THIS WISHFUL THINKING?
[00:54:44] IS TALARICO THE GUY TO DO IT? MICHAEL: WE ARE ALMOST THERE. DASHA: THAT IS A LOT OF ALMOSTS.
[00:54:50] MICHAEL: FOR YEARS. BUT I THINK TALARICO IS A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE.
[00:54:53] THE ECONOMY IS IN BAD SHAPE. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS TERRIBLE.
[00:54:57] THIS PERSON IS A CRIMINAL, RIGHT? HE WAS IMPEACHED BY HIS OWN
[00:54:59] PARTY.
[00:55:03] HE WENT THROUGH THIS UGLY DIVORCE. I THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE A UNIQUE
[00:55:08] OPPORTUNITY TO WIN THIS SEAT. I THINK THE MONEY AS THEY ARE. I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT
[00:55:11] CROCKETT SAID IN TERMS OF HOW SHE'S HANDLING THIS. THIS COULD BE A REAL PICK UP.
[00:55:15] I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE THERE YET, BUT I THINK IN THE NEAR
[00:55:18] FUTURE DEMOCRATS CAN WIN STATEWIDE IN TEXAS. DASHA: ARE REPUBLICANS SWEATING
[00:55:21] AT ALL HERE?
[00:55:28] JOHN: THEY SHOULD SWEAT A LITTLE BIT. KEN PAXTON IS NOT A GREAT CANDIDATE. HE'S BEEN OFF IN EUROPE, HAS NOT
[00:55:32] BEEN CAMPAIGNING. HE ALSO HAD MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
[00:55:35] RUN AGAINST HIM BY JOHN CORNYN. IN THE PRIMARY.
[00:55:38] DASHA: IT WAS AN UGLY PRIMARY.
[00:55:43] JOHN: EVERYBODY KNOWS PAXTON. HE'S WON MANY TIMES. I THINK HE WILL WIN.
[00:55:46] I THINK CROCKETT IS RIGHT. HAD THE DEMOCRATS PUT FORWARD A CANDIDATE LIKE LLOYD BENSON
[00:55:49] TYPE, THEY WOULD BE WINNING THIS
[00:55:52] , BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE. SO I THINK REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THIS PRETTY COMFORTABLY.
[00:55:56] DASHA: BEFORE I LET YOU BOTH GO, I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON ON THE
[00:55:59] HILL WITH DR. ANTHONY FAUCI.
[00:56:01] THIS WEEK.
[00:56:06] DR. FAUCI'S DECISION TO PLEAD THE FIFTH IS NOT GOING OVER
[00:56:11] WELL. THAT SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE VOTED TO HOLD DR. FAUCI AND
[00:56:14] CONTEMPT OVER REFUSAL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
[00:56:17] IS THIS ALL POLITICAL, A POLITICAL FIGHT THAT VOTERS WANT TO SEE?
[00:56:22] JOHN: I THINK SOME VOTERS WANT TO SEE IT. I THINK SOME PEOPLE, THAT IS
[00:56:25] WHAT I CALL THE SILENT MAJORITY THAT ARE REALLY UPSET WITH WHAT HAPPENED DURING COVID. REALLY UPSET WHAT HAPPENED WITH
[00:56:29] WHAT DR. FAUCI DID WITH CLOSING
[00:56:33] THANKS, AND THE FACT THAT HE WOULD NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS,
[00:56:36] I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO GET ACCOUNTABILITY.
[00:56:40] THAT BEING SAID, THIS KINDA BREAKS DOWN ON PARTISAN LINES.
[00:56:44] IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT YOU TEND TO SUPPORT AND LOVE FAUCI. IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN YOU TEND
[00:56:48] TO HATE FAUCI. THE INTERESTING PART OF THIS NARRATIVE IS WHERE IS TRUMP?
[00:56:52] HE LOVED FAUCI DURING MUCH OF
[00:56:54] COVID AND NOW HE HATES HIM.
[00:56:58] SO HE IS KIND OF WHERE THE HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS RIGHT
[00:57:01] NOW.
[00:57:02] A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED DR. FAUCI
[00:57:06] DURING THE COVID LOCKDOWNS, AND THEY TRUSTED HIM, AND NOW THEY HAVE COMPLETELY TURNED ON HIM.
[00:57:10] DASHA: MICHAEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW DR. FAUCI
[00:57:14] PLAYED THIS HIMSELF? MICHAEL: I THINK BULLYING AN
[00:57:17] 85-YEAR-OLD MAN IS A PATHETIC THING IN AN ERA WITH ALL OF THESE VERY SERIOUS SITUATIONS. I THINK HE DID THE RIGHT THING.
[00:57:21] WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO COVID AND
[00:57:22] REMEMBER THERE WAS SO MUCH WE
[00:57:26] DIDN'T KNOW IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. WE HAD MORE THAN A MILLION
[00:57:29] AMERICANS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES DUE TO COVID. NOW, YEARS LATER, WE ARE GOING
[00:57:33] TO RE-LEGISLATE THIS AND
[00:57:38] PRETEND LIKE WE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS. THAT'S NOT AN HONEST THING. YES, THIS IS REDMEAT FOR
[00:57:42] RIGHT-WING VOTERS WHO HATE THE GUY. BUT I THINK MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE DON'T LIKE
[00:57:45] THIS.
[00:57:47] I THINK INDEPENDENCE -- INDEPENDENTS DON'T LIKE THIS.
[00:57:52] REPUBLICANS NEED THOSE PEOPLE CERTAINLY IF THEY HOPE TO HOLD THE SENATE. DASHA: THERE IS ALSO THIS PATTERN FROM REPUBLICANS
[00:57:56] PARTICULARLY FROM TRUMP TO RE- LITIGATE THE PAST.
[00:57:58] WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
[00:58:01] COVID OR THE 2020 ELECTION, DOES
[00:58:02] THAT RUN A POLITICAL RISK?
[00:58:08] JOHN: I DON'T THINK SO.
[00:58:09] I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH TALKING ABOUT THE 2020
[00:58:15] ELECTION AND OF THE WHITE HOUSE WAS PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.
[00:58:18] I THINK A LOT OF THE STAFF
[00:58:20] DIDN'T THINK IT WAS PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. DIDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE.
[00:58:24] THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
[00:58:27] THOSE YEARS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR AND
[00:58:31] THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE DR. FAUCI DIARIES, HE LIED TO THE
[00:58:34] AMERICAN PEOPLE ON A CONSISTENT
[00:58:37] BASIS AND COVERED UP HIS OWN TRACKS. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS SOME POLITICAL USES OUT OF IT BUT IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT
[00:58:41] POLITICS. MOSTLY ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. DASHA: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE
[00:58:43] HAVE.
[00:58:50] THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH. THAT'S IT FOR TODAY'S EPISODE OF
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[00:58:57] FIND US IN ALL THE USUAL PLACES.
[00:58:58] I'M DASHA BURNS AND REMEMBER,
[00:59:01] WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE, KEEP TALKING AND KEEP LISTENING.
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