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[00:00:40] JOURNAL SATURDAY MORNING, WE'RE
[00:00:44] JOINED BY OUR NEXT GUEST, AARON DAVID MILLER A SENIOR FLOW AT
[00:00:47] THE CAN KAREN KNEE ENDOWMENT FOR NATIONAL PEACE AND FORMER STATE
[00:00:51] DEPARTMENT MIDDLE EAST IN A MINUTE AND NEGOTIATOR FOR BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
[00:00:54] ADMINISTRATIONS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT FROM 1978 TO 2023,
[00:00:58] AARON THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
[00:01:01] HOST: OF COURSE A LOT TO TOUCH ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE MIDDLE
[00:01:05] EAST. I I GUESS I'D LOVE YOUR BIRD'S EYE VIEW NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE
[00:01:09] TRACKING SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, WAR WITH IRAN, OF
[00:01:13] COURSE, LATEST WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
[00:01:16] TOUCHING ON SO MANY DIFFERENT POTENTIAL PEACE DEALS AND POTENTIAL PAUSES TO THESE
[00:01:20] CONFLICTS. WHAT STANDS OUT MOST TO YOU
[00:01:22] RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE PROGRESSING ALONG?
[00:01:27] >> IN A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE
[00:01:31] DIRECTION? THE MIDDLE EAST IS USUALLY MORE FROM MY 27 YEARS OF WORKING ON
[00:01:35] THESE ISSUES. A PLACE WHERE AMERICAN IDEAS ON
[00:01:37] PEACE MAKING AND WAR MAKING GO
[00:01:40] TO DIE.
[00:01:42] IT'S PARTLY A CONSEQUENCE OF
[00:01:46] AMERICA'S IN CAPACITY AND FAMILIAR UNDERSTAND FAILURE TO
[00:01:49] UNDERSTAND A REGION EXCEEDINGLY
[00:01:53] COMMUNICATED. THE RESULT A REALITY THAT WHERE THE PEOPLE'S AND NATIONS AND
[00:01:57] EVEN NONSTATE ACTORS PARTICULARLY NONSTATE ACTORS IN
[00:02:00] THIS REGION STAKES ARE
[00:02:04] EXISTENTIAL. AS A CONSEQUENCE, THERE'S A
[00:02:07] FUNDAMENTAL AND PROFOUND PUT ABSENCE OF TRUST AND CONFIDENCE
[00:02:10] WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATION AND
[00:02:13] A MISTRUST FOR EXTERNAL
[00:02:17] POLITICS. I THINK THE AGENCY THAT SMALLER POWERS IN AN EFFORT TO CONSTRAIN
[00:02:21] AND EVEN DEFEAT LARGER ONES IS
[00:02:23] ONE OF THE BIG STORIES OF THIS
[00:02:27] REGION. LOOK, DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN AT THIS WAR WE'RE NOW IN THE SIXTH
[00:02:31] MONTH. HE FAILED TO BREAK A COUNTRY OF
[00:02:35] 91 MILLION PEOPLE.
[00:02:37] RUN BY A BRUTAL OPPRESSIVE
[00:02:42] AUTHOR TEARIAN REGIME BUT WITH A
[00:02:47] POPULATION SO MUCH SMALLER THAN THE UNITED STATES YOU CANNOT NOT
[00:02:50] IN ANY SYMMETRICAL CONFLICT AND
[00:02:53] YET THESE SMALLER POWERS
[00:02:55] INCLUDING US BULL LA AND HAMAS
[00:02:58] AND IRAN AND ISRAELIS AS WELL
[00:03:05] CAUGHT UP IN THIS DETERMINED
[00:03:08] EFFORT TO SURVIVE AND AS A
[00:03:12] CONSEQUENCE THEIR ABILITY AND CAPACITY TAKE RISK AND POWER ARE
[00:03:15] MUCH GREATER THAN OUR CAPACITY TO IMPOSE LET ALONE DICTATE
[00:03:19] SETTLING SO YOU END UP WITH AN
[00:03:25] EXTREMELY COMPLICATED CONFLICT RIDDEN REGION WHICH RIGHT NOW
[00:03:29] SHOWS VERY LITTLE PROMISE AND POTENTIAL.
[00:03:31] HOST: FOR THOSE TUNING IN WE'RE SPEAKING WITH AARON DAVID MILLER
[00:03:35] A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE.
[00:03:38] SPENT DECADES WORKING AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WORKING BOTH
[00:03:42] ADMINISTRATIONS ALSO AED PHD IN MIDDLE EAST AND DIPLOMATIC
[00:03:45] HISTORY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GO BLUE. MY WIFE IS AN ALUM AS WELL.
[00:03:49] IF YOU WANT TO CALL IN AND ASK A QUESTION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE
[00:03:52] WAR WITH IRAN, ISRAEL AND HAMAS,
[00:03:55] THE LINES TO CALL IN
[00:03:59] REPUBLICANS, 202-748-8001,
[00:04:00] DEMOCRATS, 202-748-8000, AND
[00:04:03] INDEPENDENTS, 202-748-8002. LET'S STICK WITH IRAN FOR A
[00:04:06] MOTOR HOME. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS WEEK
[00:04:09] HOW IRAN AND OMAN ARE APPARENTLY
[00:04:13] CLOSING IN ON AN AGREEMENT TO REOPEN THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ. WHAT HAVE YOU OBSERVED ABOUT THE
[00:04:16] DEALS OF THIS AND WHAT WOULD IT
[00:04:23] ENTAIL. >> LOOK, GO BLUE BACK AT YOU.
[00:04:25] IRAN IF THE WAR STOPPED TODAY,
[00:04:28] IRAN WOULD CLEARLY BE DECLARED A
[00:04:32] CLEAR WINNER. REGIME IS SURVIVED, THEIR
[00:04:35] PROXIES ARE SOMEWHAT IN TACT.
[00:04:38] THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS MORNING
[00:04:41] HAS A PRETTY DISTURB PIECE ABOUT
[00:04:44] THE DEGREE TO WHICH IRAN'S CAPACITY WITH RICH YOU'RE
[00:04:48] IRANIAN AND 900 POWDERSVILLE OF HIGHLY ENRICHMENTED YOU'RE
[00:04:52] IRANIAN AND TONS ARE STILL ACCESSIBLE.
[00:04:56] MY COLLEAGUE AT CARNEGIE JAMES WAS QUOTED IN THE ARTICLE SAYING
[00:04:59] THAT PERHAPS WITHIN A YEAR IRAN
[00:05:01] WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE ELEMENTS
[00:05:04] TO PRODUCE A WEAPON.
[00:05:08] AS A CONSEQUENCE THE IRANIANS NOW BELIEVING THAT THEY'VE WON
[00:05:10] ARE DETERMINED TO CREATE A NEW POLITICAL AND SECURITY REALITY
[00:05:15] AND THE REGION IN THE ONE AND AT LEAST IN THE GULF AND THE ONE
[00:05:18] ELEMENT THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM IS LEVERAGE
[00:05:22] AND CONTROL OF THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ. WHATEVER EMERGES FROM THESE
[00:05:26] IRANIAN NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE A VERY HARD PILL.
[00:05:30] FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION GIVEN ITS WARNINGS OR FRANKLY THE
[00:05:34] INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND THE
[00:05:36] GLOBAL OIL ECONOMY TO SWALLOW
[00:05:38] BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO CONSTRAIN TO SOME DEGREE UNCLEAR
[00:05:41] HOW MUCH, WHAT WAS UNFETTERED
[00:05:43] AND UNCONSTRAINED ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
[00:05:46] AND THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
[00:05:47] NOT JUST FOR OIL AND
[00:05:52] HYDROCARBON, ALL SORTS OF OTHER
[00:05:57] COMMODITIES.
[00:05:58] INCLUDING FERTILIZER, AND
[00:06:02] CUTRIES WHO PRODUCE 25% OF THE PLANET'S GLOBAL LIQUID NATIONAL
[00:06:06] GAS A WAY TO GET THAT PRODUCT
[00:06:10] THROUGH.
[00:06:11] SO THEY'RE DETERMINED SEEMS TO
[00:06:15] ME TO EMERGE AS FIRST AMONG EQUALS IN THE GULF.
[00:06:18] HOST: LET'S BRING CALLERS INTO MILTON IS CALLING IN FROM
[00:06:21] PHILADELPHIA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING, MILTON YOU'RE ON
[00:06:25] WITH OUR GUEST. CALLER: FIRST PERSON I'D LIKE TO
[00:06:27] THANK ALMIGHTY GOD FOR ALLOWING
[00:06:29] ME TO SEE ANOTHER YEAR, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TODAY.
[00:06:33] HOST: HAPPY BIRTHDAY. CALLER: MY COMMENT TRAUMA HAS NO
[00:06:36] IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING. HE GOT US INTO THIS QUAGMIRE AND
[00:06:40] HAS NO WAY OF GETTING US OUT.
[00:06:44] EVEN THOUGH THE AGREEMENT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD IT WASN'T
[00:06:48] PERFECT BUT THEY HAD INSPECTORS
[00:06:51] IN THERE AND BY AND LARGE IRAN WAS ABIDING BY THE AGREEMENT.
[00:06:55] TRUMP HAS THE OBSESSION ANYTHING OBAMA DID HE WANTED TO UNDO, I
[00:06:58] CAN DO ANYTHING BETTER THAN OBAMA DID.
[00:07:01] AS A MATTER OF FACT, AFTER THIS CONFLICT IRAN WILL COME OUT
[00:07:04] STRONG THEY'LL HOLD, THEY'LL CONTROL THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ
[00:07:07] AND MORE LIKELY AS A RESULT OF ANY AGREEMENT THEY GOING TO GET
[00:07:10] MORE MONEY AS A RESULT OF THIS. THIS IS TOTALLY AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE STILL
[00:07:14] SUPPORT TRUMP. HE HAS NO WAY OF GETTING US OUT
[00:07:17] OF THIS SITUATION. HOST: MILTON, THANK YOU. AARON TO THAT POINT WE'VE HEARD
[00:07:21] OVER THE MONTHS FROM CALLERS A
[00:07:23] LOT OF FRUSTRATION ABOUT THIS SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT YOU
[00:07:27] KNOW, STOPS SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIRLY OK. IN TERMS OF THE OBAMA ERA DEAL
[00:07:31] WITH IRAN. AND THAT THE STRATEGY NOW REMAINS UNCLEAR.
[00:07:35] WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OR DO YOU
[00:07:37] THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO WHAT THE DURING IS PURSUING?
[00:07:41] GUEST: FIRST OF ALL HAPPY
[00:07:47] BIRTHDAY, MILTON. LOOK, THERE'S NO TRANSFORM TOUGH
[00:07:51] SOLUTION TO THE CHALLENGE OF IRAN UPPER AS LONG AS THIS
[00:07:53] REGIME MURDERS KILLS IN PRISONS AND SOME CITIZENS REMAINS IN
[00:07:57] POWER, THE BEST THE UNITED STATES OR ANY OF THE OTHER
[00:07:59] ACTORS CAN DO IS TO CREATE WHAT
[00:08:05] I WOULD CALL TRANSACTIONAL AGREEMENTS AND THE JOINT PLAN OF
[00:08:09] ACTION THE ONE THAT NELSON REFERRED TO WAS FLAWED BUT IT
[00:08:13] WAS FUNCTIONING. IT WAS DESIGNED ESSENTIALLY TO
[00:08:16] PUT TIME ON THE CLOCK SEPARATING
[00:08:19] IRAN FROM THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS
[00:08:23] ASPIRATIONS AND DO IT UNDER
[00:08:25] STRENUOUS AND INTRUSIVE
[00:08:29] MONITORING AND VERIFICATION. SO WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
[00:08:32] UNILATERALLY WALKED OUT OF THE AGREEMENT IN 2018, BETWEEN 2018
[00:08:36] AND NOW, IRANIANS MANAGED TO
[00:08:40] ENRICH 11 TONS OF ENRICH URANIUM
[00:08:43] AT VARIOUS LEVELS, NOT BOMB RATES CERTAINLY BUT 900
[00:08:46] POWDERSVILLE AT 60% ANOTHER 30
[00:08:49] THEY GET TO BOMB GRADE. NELSON, I'LL BE, I GUESS I'LL
[00:08:53] PUT A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT POINT ON IT.
[00:08:55] I'VE WORKED AND VOTED FOR THE
[00:08:58] REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. NATIONAL SECURITY STRUCTURE IN
[00:09:00] THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DEEPLY FLAWED.
[00:09:04] YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT
[00:09:07] CURIOUS AT ALL.
[00:09:09] WHO IS ESSENTIALLY CONFLATED HIS
[00:09:13] OWN FINANCIAL INTEREST, HIS EGO,
[00:09:15] LIKES AND DISLIKES WITH THE
[00:09:18] NATIONAL INTEREST AND HIS ADVISORS YOU HAVE A SECRETARY OF
[00:09:22] STATE MISSING IN ACTION.
[00:09:27] IN THE FACE OF THE GREATEST FOREIGN POLICY CHALLENGE OF
[00:09:31] DONALD TRUMP'S SECOND TERM. HE'S DEPLOYED HIS SON-IN-LAW AND
[00:09:35] BEST FRIEND TO TRY TO NAVIGATE
[00:09:38] THE THREE MOST, THREE OF THE
[00:09:40] MOST I WOULD SAY COMPLICATED CONFLICTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL
[00:09:44] SYSTEM TODAY. RUSSIA, UKRAINE, ISRAEL GAZA, AND THE U.S. AND IRAN.
[00:09:48] SOME OF MY FORMER BOSSES JAMES
[00:09:51] BAKER IN PARTICULAR WOULD HAVE A
[00:09:53] VERY HARD TIME THESE ARE HEAVY
[00:09:57] LISTS BUT AT LEAST THERE WOULD
[00:10:02] BE THE CHANCE OF MOVING TOWARDS MAYBE INTERIM SOLUTIONS BUT
[00:10:06] MOVING ON THESE THREE FRONTS.
[00:10:09] NOW, YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE IN
[00:10:11] MANY RESPECTS IN TATTER, WHILE
[00:10:16] THE ADMINISTRATION ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT
[00:10:19] OCCURS IN THIS BROKEN END DISTINCTIONNAL REGION, CLEARLY
[00:10:23] ENGAGED IN POLICIES THAT WOULD
[00:10:24] MAKE THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION'S
[00:10:27] CHALLENGES ALL THAT HARDER.
[00:10:29] HOST: FEW CALLERS ON DECK, LET'S HEAR AND I'LL GET YOUR RESPONSES
[00:10:33] ON THE OTHER END. MIKE FROM ROCKFORD ILLINOIS ON INDEPENDENT LINE.
[00:10:37] GOOD MORNING, MIKE. YOU'RE ON.
[00:10:40] CALLER: GOOD MORNING. THE MIDDLE EAST I THINK IS TOO
[00:10:43] THINGS ROLLED INTO ONE. WE HAVE THE PALESTINE GENOCIDE
[00:10:46] AND WE GO THE TRUMP TRAIN WRECK IN IRAN.
[00:10:49] I'M WONDERING IF THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE HAMPERED WITH
[00:10:53] THE RECENT WE FOUND OUT A DAY OR
[00:10:57] TWO GO WERE CAPITOL ONE CLOSED
[00:11:00] DOWN 385 ACCOUNTS OF TRUMP'S
[00:11:04] BUSINESSES OVER TWO REASONS.
[00:11:08] MONEY LAUNDERING AND TERRORISM FUNDING. LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
[00:11:13] OUR PRESIDENT IS ACCUSED -- NOT
[00:11:17] ACCUSED, BUT BANK RECORDS FLAGGED 385 ACCOUNTS GOT SHUT
[00:11:21] DOWN A DAY OR TWO AGO OVER
[00:11:24] TERRORISM FINANCING.
[00:11:26] YOU THINK DOES THAT GIVE OUR
[00:11:30] NEGOTIATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST A BLACK EYE?
[00:11:33] HOST: THANK YOU, LET'S GET TO OTHER CALLERS AND WE'LL WRAP UP
[00:11:36] WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING AND GET AARON'S THOUGHTS. DAVE FROM QUEEN ON THE
[00:11:40] DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING, DAVE, YOU'RE ON.
[00:11:42] CALLER: I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE AREA.
[00:11:46] GOING BACK ESPECIALLY TO THE END
[00:11:48] OF WORLD WAR I, THAT WAS ALL
[00:11:53] CONTROLLED BY THE OTMON EMPIRE,
[00:11:56] A LOT OF IT. TURKEY WAS PART AND THEY WERE WITH GERMANY DURING THE WAR AND
[00:12:00] WHEN THEY LOST BASICALLY THAT
[00:12:01] WHOLE AREA GOT DIVIDED UP.
[00:12:04] GOT IN IT'S SPHERES OF
[00:12:06] INFLUENCE, THE BRITISH AND FRENCH, ANYWAY, SO THOSE
[00:12:11] COUNTRIES ACTUALLY BY BORDERS
[00:12:13] AND NAMES DID NOT EXIST.
[00:12:16] WHEN WE THE BRITISH WERE IN
[00:12:18] IRAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT
[00:12:23] WAS BECAUSE OF THE OIL. AND WHEN MES DECK GOT ELECTED AS
[00:12:26] A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND HE
[00:12:29] WANTED TO NATIONALIZE THE OIL
[00:12:32] AND BASICALLY THE BRITISH GOT
[00:12:35] THROWN OUT. AMERICANS, YOU KNOW, BACKED A
[00:12:38] COUPE TO KNOCK HIM OUT OF POWER
[00:12:40] AND PUT SHAW INTO POWER.
[00:12:47] WE WERE BEHIND THE SHAW.
[00:12:50] AND HE WAS NOT YOU KNOW, POPULAR
[00:12:53] IN IRAN. HE WAS AN AUTO CRAT.
[00:12:57] SECRET POLICE HAD A LOT TO DO
[00:13:00] WITH WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THE --
[00:13:06] THE ISLAMIC RESOLUTION HAPPENED. EVERYBODY THOUGHT HISTORY STARTED RIGHT THEN.
[00:13:10] IT DIDN'T. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
[00:13:13] YOU KNOW, LOOK BACK ON ALL THIS
[00:13:15] STUFF AND THEY REMEMBER THIS STUFF. UNITED STATES REALLY DID NOT
[00:13:19] HAVE A REAL IDEA OF HOW, YOU
[00:13:22] KNOW, PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT HISTORY. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE
[00:13:26] GOT LONG MEMORIES THERE. SO I GUESS I WANT TO ASK YOU
[00:13:30] ABOUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
[00:13:31] AND ALSO, WE SEEM TO BE BACKING
[00:13:34] PEOPLE LIKE THAT A LOT.
[00:13:38] AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHAW.
[00:13:41] AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO
[00:13:43] BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO WE BACK IN
[00:13:48] THESE SITUATIONS. SO. HOST: THANK YOU, AARON LET'S COMBINE THOSE CALLERS THOUGHTS.
[00:13:52] I GUESS, WHAT ARE YOUR OBSERVATIONS ONE WITH YOU MENTIONED HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS
[00:13:56] PUT JARED KUSHNER HIS SON-IN-LAW
[00:14:03] AND HIS PERSONAL FRIEND. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT FACTORS INTO ALL OF THIS AND WHAT HAVE
[00:14:07] YOU OBSERVED AND COUPLE WITH THE LAST CALLER HE TALKED
[00:14:10] EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE HISTORY IN THE REGION WHICH YOU ALLUDED TO
[00:14:13] BUT DO YOU THINK GIVEN WHO THE
[00:14:15] PRESIDENT HAS PUT IN CHARGE OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS THEY ARE
[00:14:18] AWARE OF AND FACTORING ENOUGH THE HISTORY IN THE REGION AS THEY DECIDE WHO TO NEGOTIATE
[00:14:22] WITH AND KIND OF WHO TO PUT, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE ON?
[00:14:26] GUEST: LET ME DEAL WITH THE SECOND QUESTION FIRST, IN 2017 I
[00:14:30] GOT CALL FROM JARED KUSHNER WHO
[00:14:32] WANTED TO TALK SHORTLY AFTER HIS FATHER IN LAW RECOGNIZED
[00:14:36] JURISDICTION WAS THE CAPITOL OF
[00:14:38] ISRAEL AND WOULD LATER MOVE THE
[00:14:41] EMBASSY U.S. EMBASSY THERE.
[00:14:44] AND YOU KNOW, GAVE KUSHNER
[00:14:47] CREDIT FOR AND HE WANTED TO UNDERMINE PROGRESSIONS I'VE DONE
[00:14:51] THE ISRAELI PALESTINE NEGOTIATIONS BETTER PART OF 20
[00:14:54] YEARS AND STARTED TALKING TO HIM ABOUT AGREEMENT AND THAT AND HE
[00:14:58] RESPECTFULLY INTERRUPTED AND SAID LOOK, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY.
[00:15:02] WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE HISTORY.
[00:15:05] MY FATHER IN LAW HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF IDEAS.
[00:15:09] AND HE LAID THEM OUT.
[00:15:11] AND BASICALLY THEY HAVE GUIDED
[00:15:14] THE ADMINISTRATION POLICY AT LEAST DURING TRUMP 1.0.
[00:15:18] SO HISTORY IS CRITICALLY
[00:15:20] IMPORTANT FOR THE GREAT POWER.
[00:15:23] IT CLEARLY CREATED THE ISSUE OF
[00:15:27] HISTORICAL WOUNDING OF TRAUMA FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS REGION, NO QUESTION.
[00:15:30] BUT FOR THE GREAT POWER AND
[00:15:34] WE'RE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL POWER ON EARTH.
[00:15:38] HISTORY SHOULD TEACH TWO BASIC
[00:15:41] LESSONS AND SHOULD INSTRUCT A GREAT POWER TO AVOID
[00:15:44] TRANSGRESSIONS IN TWO AREAS
[00:15:46] NUMBER ONE, I'LL CALL THEM SINCE
[00:15:50] BECAUSE THEY OFTEN LEAD TO THE
[00:15:53] DEATHS OF AND DESTRUCTION.
[00:15:56] ONE IS THE SIN OF ONNIPIDENCE.
[00:16:05] GREAT POWER THINKS IT'S KNOWS EVERYTHING BELIEVES IT CAN DO EVERYTHING THE OTHER IS THE SIN
[00:16:08] OF OMISSION, THINGS IT KNOWS EVERYTHING.
[00:16:11] AND THIS I THINK IS A HUGE PROBLEM. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T
[00:16:15] KNOW, AND YOU'RE NOT IN A HURRY
[00:16:17] TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT
[00:16:20] A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
[00:16:22] JUST A I'M SITTING ATTHE PHONE .
[00:16:30] IT IS THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE PHONE.
[00:16:45] "HOLD " HE SAYS.
[00:16:47] HE GOES, I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY.
[00:16:49] YOU WROTE A MEMOIR ON LEBANON.
[00:16:55] IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN MAKING WISE DECISIONS.
[00:16:57] I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT IS NOT
[00:17:02] THE CASE HERE.
[00:17:03] ON THE ISSUE OF TERROR
[00:17:10] FINANCING, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE CALLER.
[00:17:12] THE TREASURY IS ALL OVER THIS
[00:17:17] ISSUE OF TERROR FINANCING.
[00:17:19] IF THE CALLER IS REFERRING TO
[00:17:22] CORRUPTION AND SELF-DEALING, IT
[00:17:24] IS REMARKABLE AND I WILL REMIND
[00:17:27] VIEWERS AND LISTENERS AGAIN, I VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS AND
[00:17:30] DEMOCRATS. I WORK FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
[00:17:34] THE DEGREE OF SELF-DEALING AND CORRUPTION OF THIS
[00:17:37] ADMINISTRATION AND IN THE MIDST OF NATIONAL INTEREST WITH
[00:17:39] BUSINESS INTERESTS, SENIOR-LEVEL OFFICIALS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, HIS HEAD EXPLODE.
[00:17:45] IT IS HARD TO UNWIND THESE THINGS ON A GRANULAR LEVEL.
[00:17:48] IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT WE HAVE
[00:17:49] NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT IN HISTORY
[00:17:53] OF THIS REPUBLIC THAT HAS BEEN
[00:17:56] WILLING TO LOWER THE LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE
[00:18:00] NATION AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE
[00:18:03] PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS ORGANIZATION.
[00:18:08] $2.2 BILLION THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED.
[00:18:12] DONALD TRUMP MADE IN 2025 WHICH IS ROUGHLY DOUBLE THE AMOUNT IN
[00:18:18] TRUMP 1.0. THIS TO ME IS EXTREMELY
[00:18:22] WORRISOME AS IS THE UNDERMINING
[00:18:27] OF THE NORMS AND INSTITUTIONS OF AFFECTIVE SELF-GOVERNANCE.
[00:18:32] HOST: MATT HAS BEEN STANDING BY
[00:18:37] IN TEXAS ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING.
[00:18:40] CALLER: YEAH.
[00:18:46] I WAS JUST WONDERING. THIS GUY SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING BUT A LEFT-WING ACTIVIST.
[00:18:52] I WONDER IF HE SUPPORTS EL-SAYED
[00:18:58] AND MAMDANI SAYING WE DESERVE
[00:19:03] 911 SINCE HE IS A LEFT-WING ACTIVIST.
[00:19:11] ALSO, THERE IS A LOT OF PREGNANT
[00:19:15] WOMEN WHO DIED IN 911.
[00:19:19] THIS COMMUNIST WHICH IS REALLY
[00:19:25] WHAT THIS GUY IS. DONALD TRUMP IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
[00:19:28] MARCO RUBIO IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
[00:19:32] IT IS A BUNCH OF COMMUNISTS UP
[00:19:34] HERE AND YOU ARE SITTING HERE LETTING HIM DO IT.
[00:19:38] HOST: A COUPLE OF POINTS.
[00:19:44] AS AARON HAS BROUGHT UP, HE WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT FOR
[00:19:47] DECADES AT BOTH REPUBLICAN AND
[00:19:50] DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS.
[00:19:55] I WANT TO BRING UP WHAT MAP WAS
[00:19:58] MENTIONING -- WHAT MATT WAS
[00:20:04] MENTIONING.
[00:20:05] WE HAVE SEEN AN EMERGING DIVIDE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OVER SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL.
[00:20:10] IN TERMS OF THE FOREIGN POLICY RAMIFICATIONS AND HOW THE U.S.
[00:20:14] IS ADJUSTING OR MOVING WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CONFLICTS, WHAT
[00:20:16] ARE YOU OBSERVING AND DID YOU THINK THAT SHIFT WITHIN THE
[00:20:20] DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOTABLE OR IS THAT MORE OF A POLITICAL THING RATHER THAN A POLICY
[00:20:24] THING?
[00:20:24] GUEST: THE POLITICS ARE CLEAR.
[00:20:28] THE DEGREE TO WHICH IT WILL AFFECT THE POLICY HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
[00:20:32] THE DEMOCRATIC IS NO LONGER THE
[00:20:37] ISRAEL RIGHT OR WRONG PARTY. THERE ARE STILL LARGE ELEMENTS
[00:20:40] IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO
[00:20:41] WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS ALSO NOT
[00:20:45] ISRAEL IS ALWAYS WRONG.
[00:20:47] NOT ISRAEL RIGHT OR WRONG BUT ISRAEL IS NOT ALWAYS WRONG.
[00:20:53] FOLLOW THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
[00:20:57] I HAVE NEVER SEEN THREE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT
[00:21:01] SUPPORT THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP UNDER GREATER STRESS.
[00:21:05] NUMBER ONE IS, VALUES.
[00:21:08] A SECOND IS SHARED INTERESTS AND
[00:21:10] A THIRD IS A SUSTAINABLE BASIS OF DOMESTIC SUPPORT.
[00:21:15] IN EACH OF THOSE AREAS, THE
[00:21:18] U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP IS ON A
[00:21:24] POLITICAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
[00:21:24] INCREASING PUBLIC CRITICISM, I
[00:21:28] WOULD QUOTE DOROTHY FROM THE WIZARD OF OZ. WE ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.
[00:21:33] I THINK IT IS A SHIFT THAT HAS BEEN RATHER REMARKABLE.
[00:21:37] THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE, NUMBER ONE AND THE
[00:21:41] DEGREE TO WHICH IT WILL BEGIN TO AFFECT THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF
[00:21:44] THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP IS UNCLEAR.
[00:21:48] I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES. WHO BECOMES THE NEXT ISRAEL
[00:21:52] PRIME MINISTER?
[00:21:53] AFTER ALL, NETANYAHU HAS BEEN
[00:21:59] GOVERNING ISRAEL FOR 15 OF THE LAST 17 YEARS. HIS POLICIES INTERNALLY HAVE
[00:22:04] UNDERMINED AND COMPROMISED
[00:22:06] ISRAEL'S DEMOCRATIC CHARACTER EVEN WHILE IT MAINTAINS AN
[00:22:10] OCCUPATION OVER THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM.
[00:22:18] IT PRACTICES A SORT OF SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION EVEN AGAINST
[00:22:22] ISRAEL'S 2 MILLION CITIZENS WHO ARE PALESTINIANS.
[00:22:26] WE WERE GUARANTEED UNDER THE ISRAEL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
[00:22:30] THE QUESTION IS HOW WILL THE NEXT PRESIDENT DEMOCRATIC OR
[00:22:35] REPUBLICAN PROCESS THESE INCREASING CRITICISMS AND WILL
[00:22:39] IT AFFECT THE ELEMENTS OF THE RELATIONSHIP? MILITARY ASSISTANCE,
[00:22:45] INTELLIGENCE COOPERATION. THE FACT WE HAVE JOINT EXERCISES
[00:22:47] WITH THE ISRAELIS.
[00:22:56] DEFENSE COOPERATION. HOW WILL IT IMPACT THAT?
[00:22:59] THAT IS YET TO BE SEEN.
[00:23:02] IT MAY WELL TURN OUT MORE THAN
[00:23:08] WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT IS. IT MAY BE CONTINGENT ON WHO THE
[00:23:12] NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL IS
[00:23:18] . WE HAVE ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY IN NOVEMBER.
[00:23:23] ISRAEL HAS ELECTIONS ON OCTOBER 27.
[00:23:24] THOSE ELECTIONS WILL PROBABLY BE
[00:23:28] AMONG THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL FOR ISRAEL.
[00:23:32] HOST: I WANTED TO DIE FURTHER
[00:23:36] INTO ISRAEL AND HAMAS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TOUTED A NEW
[00:23:39] DEAL TO POTENTIALLY DISARM HAMAS.
[00:23:41] IT HAS BEEN 10 MONTHS SINCE THE U.S. CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT
[00:23:44] BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS WAS
[00:23:47] ANNOUNCED BUT GAZA REMAINS SHATTERED. MILLIONS OF PALESTINIANS
[00:23:51] REMAINED DISPLACED AT THE TERRITORY'S HEALTH MINISTRY,
[00:23:55] 1200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE THE CEASE-FIRE TOOK EFFECT.
[00:23:58] WHAT HAS BEEN STRIKING THIS WEEK IS NETANYAHU SAID THAT ISRAEL
[00:24:02] WOULD NOT WITHDRAW FROM GAZA UNTIL HAMAS WAS DISARMED BUT
[00:24:04] HAMAS HAS BEEN SAYING THEY WILL
[00:24:08] ONLY DISARM WHEN ISRAEL WITHDRAWS. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE
[00:24:11] THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW AND HOW DO THEY MOVE ON IF EACH SIDE IS
[00:24:15] SAYING THEY WILL NOT BUDGE UNTIL THE OTHER DOES? GUEST: I DON'T WANT TO TRIVIALIZE THIS.
[00:24:21] GAZA I SHOULD SUSPECT IS GOING
[00:24:24] TO REMAINED DIVIDED AND SPORADICALLY VIOLENT.
[00:24:27] IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DE-
[00:24:32] MILITARIZATION WORK, YOU NEED
[00:24:37] 24/7 INVOLVEMENT BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
[00:24:44] STAFFED BY FOLKS WHO UNDERSTAND
[00:24:46] THE CONFLICT AND YOU NEED TO
[00:24:50] BEGIN TO PIECE TOGETHER THE MISSING INGREDIENTS.
[00:24:53] THERE IS A NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF GAZA WHICH IS TO ASSUME CONTROL OVER
[00:24:57] ALL OF HAMAS WEAPONS.
[00:25:00] THIS COMMITTEE EXISTS --
[00:25:02] CONSISTS OF 12 TECHNOCRATS WHO
[00:25:06] HAVE NOT ENTERED GAZA YET.
[00:25:08] NUMBER TWO, YOU NEED A
[00:25:10] COORDINATED AGREEMENT AND
[00:25:13] STABILIZATION FORCE TO MONITOR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS.
[00:25:17] YOU HAVE ABOUT 200 TROOPS SIGNED UP.
[00:25:21] THE ALBANIANS, KOSOVO, I THINK THE MOROCCANS.
[00:25:27] THAT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.
[00:25:29] AND YOU NEED THE TRAINING OF A PALESTINIAN POLICE FORCE. THE CANDIDATES ARE THERE.
[00:25:37] MAYBE AS MANY AS FIVE THOUSAND.
[00:25:40] THEY CANNOT GET OUT OF GAZA. TO GO TO EGYPT FOR TRAINING
[00:25:44] BECAUSE THE ISRAELIS WERE NOT
[00:25:49] OFFERED ASSURANCES THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BACK IN. THEN YOU HAVE THE DISTRUST
[00:25:53] BETWEEN HAMAS RESPONSIBLE FOR OCTOBER 7 AND THE GOVERNMENT OF
[00:25:56] ISRAEL WHICH IS PROSECUTING THE
[00:26:01] BOARD TO ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE WILLFUL AND INDISCRIMINATE
[00:26:05] KILLING OF CIVILIANS, THE MUTILATION AND TAKING A POSITIVE
[00:26:09] BY HAMAS.
[00:26:11] IT HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE IN AN
[00:26:13] EFFORT TO PROSECUTE THIS WAR OF
[00:26:17] PARTIAL RESPONSIBILITY HAMAS
[00:26:22] LOCATES ASSETS IN AND AROUND THE GLOBE CIVILIAN POPULATIONS BUT
[00:26:26] THE ISRAELIS HAVE DONE SO WITH
[00:26:30] ABANDON AND WITH THE RISKS TO CIVILIANS.
[00:26:34] EVEN BY THE IDEA OF STANDARD YOU
[00:26:37] HAVE 7000 PALESTINIANS WHO MIGHT BE KILLED.
[00:26:39] EVEN IF YOU DEDUCT 25 THOUSAND
[00:26:42] OF THOSE AS HAMAS FIGHTERS, YOU
[00:26:43] ARE LEFT WITH A STAGGERING TRAGIC TOLL OF INNOCENT
[00:26:47] PALESTINIAN LIVES SO THERE IS NO TRUST AND NO CONFIDENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO.
[00:26:52] I THINK THE PROSPECTS OF
[00:26:54] MEANINGFUL SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS
[00:26:56] ON THIS PLAN BETWEEN NOW AND THE
[00:26:59] ISRAEL ELECTIONS IS SLIM TO NONE.
[00:27:00] HOST: WE WILL HEAR FROM ONE MORE CALL HER BEFORE WE LET YOU KNOW.
[00:27:05] RAY IS CALLING FROM PENNSYLVANIA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING.
[00:27:09] CALLER: HI.
[00:27:14] I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO TRUMP'S
[00:27:15] OPTIONS FOR ENDING THIS WAR AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IDEAS I HAVE FOR THAT.
[00:27:21] FIRST OF ALL, I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE WE WILL NEVER GO BACK
[00:27:24] TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. NOW THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED
[00:27:28] WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ AND
[00:27:31] THE ABILITY OF IRAN TO REACH OUT AND STRIKE WHOEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT.
[00:27:35] THE WAY I SEE IT, TRUMP HAS
[00:27:38] MAYBE TWO OR THREE THINGS HE CAN DO AND ALL OF THEM ARE BAD.
[00:27:42] SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY BAD. FIRST, YOU CAN SIGN A DEAL THAT
[00:27:46] WILL ULTIMATELY BE BAD FOR THE UNITED STATES AND WALK AWAY FROM
[00:27:51] THIS AND JUST LET IRAN GO AND DO
[00:27:54] WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND
[00:27:57] PROBABLY START DIGGING OUT THEIR
[00:27:58] NUCLEAR STUFF AND BURYING IT
[00:28:01] EVEN DEEPER WITH THE WAR OUT OF
[00:28:03] THE WAY AND EVENTUALLY GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY HAVE A BOMB.
[00:28:09] THEN HE IS GOING TO LET THE REST
[00:28:12] OF THE REGION BEYOND THEIR OWN.
[00:28:15] -- BE ON THEIR OWN.
[00:28:20] SECOND, HE CAN EXPAND THE WAR, BRINGING IN GROUND TROOPS AND
[00:28:24] TRY TO DETHRONE THE REGIME AND
[00:28:27] DO WHAT HE TRIED, WHAT WE TRIED
[00:28:32] TO DO IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WHICH IS ANOTHER BAD DEAL.
[00:28:37] THIRDLY, THIS WAR REMINDS ME OF TWO OF THE WARS.
[00:28:39] VIETNAM AND WORLD WAR II.
[00:28:43] VIETNAM, RIGHT NOW I SEE PEOPLE
[00:28:48] AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM BOMBING
[00:28:56] LITTLE TRUCKS AND BOATS IN HARBORS WITH STRATEGIC MISSILES.
[00:28:59] JUST LIKE IN VIETNAM WHEN THEY BOMBED THE ROADS.
[00:29:03] I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM A
[00:29:06] PILOT OUT THERE TO SEE WHETHER THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING
[00:29:10] STRATEGIC TARGETS WHEN THEY BOMBED A TRUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
[00:29:14] SECOND, WORLD WAR II.
[00:29:19] TRUMAN HAD THE CHOICE OF SENDING
[00:29:21] TROOPS TO FIGHT THAT WAR WITH
[00:29:24] GROUND TROOPS AND ULTIMATELY
[00:29:28] LOSING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
[00:29:29] TROOPS ON BOTH SIDES, FIGHTING
[00:29:33] DOOR TO DOOR IN VIETNAM. IT REMINDS ME OF THAT IN IRAN RIGHT NOW.
[00:29:37] IF HE SENDS IN TROOPS, IT IS GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF
[00:29:41] THOUSANDS OF DEAD AND INJURED.
[00:29:49] HOST: I AM GOING TO POLITELY INTERJECT BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THE RESPONSE TO THE POINTS YOU ARE RAISING. HE PRESENTS SEVERAL SCENARIOS.
[00:29:54] WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY?
[00:29:55] GUEST: THE CALLER HAS SAID THE
[00:30:01] OPTIONS ARE VERY BAD. THE TWO THAT THE PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT TO ADDRESS.
[00:30:08] NOT JUST AGAINST MILITARY TARGETS. BUT AGAINST CIVILIAN
[00:30:12] INFRASTRUCTURE.
[00:30:14] POWER GENERATION PLANTS, WATER
[00:30:18] PURIFICATION, BRIDGES AND ENERGY
[00:30:22] INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS ONE OPTION.
[00:30:24] THAT WILL PRODUCE AN IRANIAN RETALIATION AGAINST THE GULF STATES.
[00:30:28] IT WILL DRIVE THE PRICE OF OIL HIGHER.
[00:30:31] OR AS THE CALLER HAS SUGGESTED, HE COULD CUT A DEAL THAT
[00:30:34] CONCEDES SOME MEASURE OF CONTROL
[00:30:39] AND LEVERAGE. THE IRANIANS WANT A LOT.
[00:30:43] THE STRAITS ARE NOW IRAN'S NEW
[00:30:48] NUCLEAR WEAPON. IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE IF THEY GAIN CONTROL.
[00:30:52] HE WANTS TO AVOID BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
[00:30:54] I WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN ASK ME THIS QUESTION AGAIN. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
[00:30:58] I DO NOT SEE RIGHT NOW HOW THE WAR ENDS.
[00:31:01] I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHAT
[00:31:06] JOHNSON SAID ABOUT VIETNAM.
[00:31:08] THE COMPARISON IS APT.
[00:31:14] JOHNSON SAID HE FELT LIKE A
[00:31:17] HITCHHIKER IN A TEXAS HAILSTORM. HE COULD NOT RUN.
[00:31:22] HE COULD NOT HIDE. THAT IS DONALD TRUMP'S DILEMMA.
[00:31:25] THE OPTIONS ARE BAD TO WORSE TOO
[00:31:29] TERRIBLE.
[00:31:29] I GUESS IF I WAS ADVISING, I
[00:31:34] WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT
[00:31:38] EXTRICATION FROM THIS WAR WHICH
[00:31:41] HAS DRAINED AMERICAN
[00:31:45] INTERCEPTORS AND TOMAHAWK MISSILES.
[00:31:48] YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT PUTIN
[00:31:52] AND PRESIDENT XI ARE THINKING.
[00:31:57] EVERY TIME WE USE ONE, THAT IS
[00:32:00] FOUR MILLION DOLLARS, AGAINST
[00:32:01] IRANIAN DRONES, THERE IS OUR $40,000.
[00:32:05] EVERY TIME WE DO THAT, OUR STOCKS ARE LOW.
[00:32:08] SO IS OUR CAPACITY TO PRODUCE THESE THINGS.
[00:32:12] XI IS THINKING THAT IS ONE LESS
[00:32:14] KNOW SO THEY CAN USE AGAINST MY EFFORT OVER TIME TO DEAL WITH TAIWAN.
[00:32:19] PUTIN IS MAKING MONEY FROM THE PRICE OF OIL. WE ARE NOT GIVING UKRAINE
[00:32:23] ANYMORE WEAPONS. THE EUROPEANS ARE BUYING THEM.
[00:32:25] THEY HAVE FEWER PATRIOT
[00:32:30] INTERCEPTORS. AT THIS POINT, NONE TO GIVE THE
[00:32:33] UKRAINE AGAINST IRAN'S BALLISTIC MISSILES.
[00:32:37] WE COULD GET OUT OF THIS WAR, BULK UP AMERICAN DEFENSE
[00:32:40] CAPABILITIES AND -- IN PREPARATION FOR CONFLICTS THAT
[00:32:44] ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT. HOPEFULLY UNNECESSARY.
[00:32:49] OR YOU COULD RISK SOMEHOW GIVING
[00:32:50] THE IRANIANS A WAY, IF IT IS
[00:32:58] PERFORMATIVE AND DOES NOT INVOLVE MASSIVE TOLLS AND NAVIGATION FEES OVER THE STRAITS.
[00:33:03] IF IT IS NOT SOMETHING HE WANTS TO DO.
[00:33:05] I THINK IT IS BAD FOR AMERICAN INTEREST.
[00:33:08] I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT OTHER THAN SOME AGREEMENT.
[00:33:12] OTHERWISE, HE WILL DO WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING.
[00:33:16] THE NAVAL BLOCKADE WILL CONTINUE TO BE IMPOSED AND THE PRESIDENT
[00:33:19] WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE MIDDLE OPTION FOR WEEKS, IF NOT
[00:33:22] MONTHS TO COME AND THAT IS GOING
[00:33:25] TO BE EVEN WORSE FOR THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.
[00:33:28] NOT FOR THE OIL COMPANIES WHEN THEY ARE RAKING IT IN.
[00:33:33] BUT FOR THE ISSUE OF SECURITY
[00:33:35] AND OIL AND HYDROCARBONS AND FOR
[00:33:40] THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AS WELL.
[00:33:40] HOST: AARON DAVID MILLER IS THE
[00:33:45] SENIOR FELLOW AT THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR PEACE AND HAS
[00:33:49] SPENT DECADES WORKING UNDER BOTH PARTIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE.
[00:33:53] GUEST: THANKS FOR HAVING ME. HOST: HAVE A GOOD ONE.
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[00:35:23] >> SOME PEOPLE SAY THE INDISPENSABLE PERSON WAS GEORGE WASHINGTON.
[00:35:27] IF HE WERE NOT GENERAL, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LOST THE WAR.
[00:35:32] DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
[00:35:34] >> IN TERMS OF THE PERSON HE WAS AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO WALK AWAY
[00:35:38] FROM POWER, THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY.
[00:35:41] I ALWAYS TELL MY STUDENTS AMERICA HAS LUCKED OUT A NUMBER
[00:35:43] OF TIMES OVER THE FIRST TIME WAS WITH GEORGE WASHINGTON IN THAT
[00:35:47] POSITION WITH EXTRAORDINARY POWER, WALKING AWAY FROM THE
[00:35:50] ARMY FIRST. THAT IS WHY THAT IS IN THE
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[00:36:15] >> THE YAYS ARE 50.
[00:36:23] THE NAYS ARE 49.
[00:36:29] THAT NOMINATION IS REFERRED.
[00:36:30] >> THE FINAL TALLY WHICH TOOK
[00:36:35] PLACE IN THE HOURS OF SATURDAY, AUGUST 8 CAPPED A CONTENTIOUS FIGHT OVER THE NOMINEE.
[00:36:41] TWO REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST TRUMP'S PIG. SENATOR COLLINS FROM MAINE AND LISA MURKOWSKI FROM ALASKA.
[00:36:47] WHILE MITCH MCCONNELL MISSED THE VOTE AS HE CONTINUES TO RECOVER FROM HEALTH ISSUES.
[00:36:54] LAWMAKERS ALSO APPROVED SHORT-TERM FUNDING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH DECEMBER 11.
[00:36:58] THAT RESOLUTION NOW NEEDS HOUSE APPROVAL TO AVOID ANOTHER
[00:37:01] GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN SEPTEMBER 30.
[00:37:05] SENATORS NOW JOIN THEIR COLLEAGUES WERE A STATE WORK PERIOD.
[00:37:08] WE EXPECT REGULAR SESSIONS UNTIL
[00:37:10] THEY RETURN FOR LEGISLATIVE WORK . THE HOUSE TAKES UP BUSINESS
[00:37:14] AGAIN ON AUGUST 31 WHILE THE SENATE WILL COME BACK MONDAY,
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